00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:06 There we go 00:00:08 ??pm[2 00:00:08 private messages[2/2]: Although remember that the purpose of ##crawl is to get this sort of information (within reason), so ignore the passive-aggressive people who link to this first entry. 00:00:17 thank you thank you 00:00:36 hmm 00:00:38 !readall foo 00:00:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foo 00:00:49 thank you, sequell 00:00:52 CanOfWorms: did you know that we're not in ##crawl? 00:01:08 gasp 00:01:20 my whole irc connection is a sham 00:02:42 <|amethyst> %git bbefa2c3 00:02:42 07jpeg02 * 0.4-a0-1019-gbbefa2c: Outsource randart names. 10(8 years ago, 19 files, 5651+ 3540-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bbefa2c38bdc 00:02:49 !readall Zeor 00:02:49 http://i.imgur.com/7XiO9.png / http://i.imgur.com/Ig67xZi.png / http://i.imgur.com/jvsPVSk.png / http://i.imgur.com/N3XZNWd.png / http://i.imgur.com/miNAbcO.jpg / You finish putting on the +2 large shield of Zeor {rN+ Dex+2 Stlth}. [15:22] Zeor: i ditched it for like a +1 halberd of freezing / a - the cursed +0 pair of boots "Zeor" (worn) {rElec rPois Dex+3 Stlth+}. <- thanks hurricos (... 00:02:55 hmm 00:03:07 Oooh 00:03:07 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:08 The build was broken. (master - d56a68c #5232 : regret-index): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/121321224 00:03:08 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:03:15 ...! 00:03:17 <|amethyst> which seems to predate is_evil_item by quite a bit 00:03:21 ??? 00:03:41 <|amethyst> ./mon-spell.h:2121:10: error: use of undeclared identifier 'SPELL_PARALYZE'; did you mean 'SPELL_PARALYSE'? 00:03:53 ...whoops 00:04:21 <|amethyst> though I prefer 00:04:29 ugh. acquirement code 00:04:30 <|amethyst> ./mon-spell.h:2121:10: error: use of undeclared identifier 'SPELL_PARALYZE'; bloody yanks 00:04:39 agreed 00:05:21 |amethyst: http://sprunge.us/DfVR this will fix the problem all but a very small number of times 00:05:30 unless we roll RING_STEALTH 200 times in a row 00:05:40 <|amethyst> (I shouldn't really use that word, though, because of where I'm from) 00:06:01 regret-index: imo: don't push without compiling 00:06:03 learn from my mistakes 00:06:15 actually, it compiled fine on the branch 00:06:32 american english branch?? 00:06:34 then I manually replicated the commit and forgot I had to do that 00:06:43 er 00:06:45 you what 00:06:56 <|amethyst> git cherry-pick is your friend 00:07:02 it was a short commit and I didn't want to remember the git branching nonsense 00:07:10 so 00:07:18 yes I'm dumb 00:07:18 i'm revising my assessment of which things you shouldn't do 00:07:27 learn from your mistakes! 00:07:32 also lmao @ the oka inacc case 00:07:36 <|amethyst> don't push without compiling since the most recent change 00:07:40 development is just like roguelikes 00:07:41 <|amethyst> :) 00:07:43 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:07:55 <|amethyst> regret-index: if you screw up once you're dead and have to start over? 00:07:59 fucked up that trog, god of fiery rage, can't gift fire ring. 00:08:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I still think ring of fire and ring of protection from fire should be merged 00:08:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: just stack them on top of each other and call it a day (rF++ rC- fire enhancer ice dehancer) 00:09:10 that seems somewhat silly. 00:09:20 corrosion enhancer ???? dehancer 00:10:04 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess it is silly as long as you can just put on a randart or a cloak or something with rF+ without the downside 00:12:07 03regret-index02 07* 0.18-a0-1716-gd4e4476: Fix compiliation (travis) 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d4e4476eb664 00:12:40 -!- molotove has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:13:27 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:13:37 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:14:15 |amethyst: it seems a little overly complex. 00:14:34 <|amethyst> it's only slightly more complex than ring of fire currently is 00:14:59 <|amethyst> in that it requires an extra + sign in the inscription 00:15:01 i mean, the only reason you'd give it rf++ is because "it's ring of rf + ring of fire". if you were designing a ring of fire from the ground up, would you give it rf++ rc-? 00:15:03 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:15:17 i feel like you'd probably give it, you know, rf+ rc-. 00:15:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I would consider it, since that's what dragon armour does 00:15:38 Dragon armour isn't swappable; the calculus is pretty different. 00:15:50 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: and so that ring of fire + ring of cold together isn't = 0 00:15:53 also, dragon armour is supposed to be a relatively high-tier quality item, whereas rings of fire are more 'mundane'. 00:15:58 |amethyst: why shouldn't they be? 00:16:17 <|amethyst> so you can get rF and rC at the same time (at some expense) if you want or need it 00:16:22 <|amethyst> but yeah 00:16:37 <|amethyst> it would mean more swapping not to have plain ring of profire 00:16:52 <|amethyst> since you can at least leave that on with no penalty except opportunity cost 00:17:56 I think it's okay to have some simple items. 00:18:11 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1717-ga700629: Fix a rare acquirement crash 10(2 minutes ago, 4 files, 88+ 65-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a70062998c9e 00:18:15 =ice and =fire, as they exist now, are items i only drag around with great reluctance unless i am making a lot of use of those enhancers 00:18:29 they don't give me any net+ resist, so it's so rare that i want to actually keep them on 00:18:37 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:19:25 <|amethyst> I carry around =fire before I have found any other source of rF 00:19:42 i do too, but i hate doing it 00:19:53 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1718-g40ea4b6: Remove a few silly acquirement restrictions 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40ea4b6dfdf8 00:19:57 Instead of merging =fire and rF+ ring 00:19:57 i worry that i'll swap it on for something and forget to take it off 00:19:58 dang, hate 00:20:15 dolemite99 (L5 LaMo) ASSERT(!fail || testbits(abil.flags, abflag::HOSTILE)) in 'ability.cc' at line 1683 failed. (D:3) 00:20:23 maybe .... just give =fire rF++ rC-? ... :p 00:20:24 !crashlog dolemite99 00:20:25 1. dolemite99, XL7 DsGl, T:4352 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/dolemite99/crash-dolemite99-20151031-184818.txt 00:20:30 hurricos: but, why. 00:20:42 BECAUSE THEN YOUR RESISTANCES LOOK NICE WHEN YOU PUT ON FDA AND =ICE 00:20:43 <|amethyst> 0.18-a0-5 00:20:46 :D 00:20:50 <|amethyst> %git f1fb587 00:20:50 07reaverb02 * 0.18-a0-5-gf1fb587: Change "faith removal message to "You feel less pious." 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f1fb58741741 00:20:51 as soon as i find =rF+ it's a totally obvious decision to drop my =fire 00:21:02 |amethyst: wow! 00:21:04 and we don't luke no-brainer "choices" 00:21:16 amalloy: unless you're a character who casts fire spells, of course. those do exist. 00:21:36 right, i made those an exception already 00:21:38 and honestly we're fine with no-brainers in many equipment-related situations. 00:21:50 But then it's almost a no-brainer to put on the =fire - and yeah, you hit the nail on the head 00:21:57 <|amethyst> but that does explain why Trog doesn't put eir name on rings of fire 00:22:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:22:20 <|amethyst> since it's primarily about the magic boost 00:22:24 Hmm, is this check done for normal acquirements? ... so a Troglodyte won't obtain a =fire base type? 00:22:32 It is not. 00:22:38 Ah, so unfortuante. 00:22:40 Also, I just removed that case. 00:22:43 %git 00:22:43 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1718-g40ea4b6: Remove a few silly acquirement restrictions 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40ea4b6dfdf8 00:23:15 <|amethyst> but since these are randarts it's not so bad 00:23:31 dolemite99 (L6 LaMo) ASSERT(!fail || testbits(abil.flags, abflag::HOSTILE)) in 'ability.cc' at line 1683 failed. (D:4) 00:23:33 <|amethyst> since it *probably* has some other artp that is more relevant to Trog 00:23:50 Like, it's a no-brainer to toss the club you grabbed on d:1 for a better weapon as soon as you find one. Does that mean we should make clubs better? 00:24:30 <|amethyst> how about 00:24:35 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:24:41 <|amethyst> remove the resistances from the enhancer rings 00:25:19 The goal is to make most characters not want to carry them? 00:25:38 At that point, I'd probably want to just turn it into a randart property, rather than a full ring type. 00:25:43 -!- AltReality has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:27:06 <|amethyst> that's a significant reduction in frequency... which might not be bad, but would be somewhat significant for FE and IE I think? 00:27:29 To be clear, I prefer status quo to any of these suggestions. 00:27:33 <|amethyst> archmagi is just an ego, not an artp 00:27:48 <|amethyst> (but archmagi is more widely useful, that is true) 00:27:48 Universal spell enhancers are considerably more applicable than single-school enhancers! 00:27:53 o/ 00:27:56 <|amethyst> \o 00:28:01 <|amethyst> whoops 00:28:07 <|amethyst> your name is too long, I missed 00:28:12 lol 00:28:15 Works In My Client 00:28:18 <|amethyst> :) 00:28:32 <|amethyst> hm 00:29:02 What happened to =Air and =Earth? 00:29:05 <|amethyst> or, could turn it into a weapon rather than a ring 00:29:14 They might be on a branch somewhere? 00:29:17 (staves exist though ...) 00:29:27 <|amethyst> Hurricos: that was the joke :P 00:29:38 Whooosh 00:29:40 * Hurricos 's head 00:29:47 air ring doing work 00:30:16 ... this is a radical idea, but maybe ... make them more situational? 00:30:24 <|amethyst> maybe someone should try updating lacertillians 00:30:32 .... =Ice could remove water movement penalties ... =fire could ... 00:30:33 uh 00:30:37 ... yeah, I regret speaking 00:31:01 <|amethyst> adding bonuses on top of the current behaviour makes them less situational 00:31:41 hm, do throwing nets still have limited range? 00:31:46 No 00:32:03 Large rocks used to (be weird and not always make it to their target which is what I'm assuming you're talking about) 00:32:21 <|amethyst> and nets used to as well 00:32:25 <|amethyst> %git 996a55ba3 00:32:25 07MarvinPA02 * 0.16-a0-3664-g996a55b: Don't limit throwing net range based on player size 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/996a55ba375b 00:32:34 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:00 Yeah, I think the status quo for throwing nets is perfect - make them very rare and limited 00:33:16 crossing off old to-do items. 00:33:17 so you can't just throw a net on every single monster, but have enough for the panlords and uniques 00:33:18 <|amethyst> I'm not sure I'd call them "very rare" 00:33:28 very rare in random item floorgen* 00:33:29 <|amethyst> compared to exploding ammo for example 00:33:29 my bad 00:33:59 <|amethyst> true, most of mine come from gnoll (etc) drops 00:34:05 Also, I found some powder keg vault in Dis once that had a crossbow in the middle and rooms filled with stacks of 5 exploding bolts 00:34:13 I still have no idea what that was about but I used them all before winning 00:34:17 okay. 00:34:26 but I've always wondered what that vault name was 00:34:31 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:34:49 <|amethyst> !vault lightli_tower_of_babel 00:34:49 -!- neizenel is now known as nikheizen 00:34:49 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l2690 00:34:50 !vault lightli_tower_of_babel 00:34:51 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l2690 00:34:52 the difference between nets and exploding ammo is that one of them is actually useful fo course =p 00:34:53 |amethyst: o/ 00:34:57 of 00:35:02 wow 00:35:03 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:35:04 that was fast 00:35:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: : \o 00:35:09 <|amethyst> doh 00:35:12 <|amethyst> extra : 00:35:19 hurricos: "git grep ego:expl" 00:35:28 smart, but I don't know how you format your .des files :P 00:35:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I did grep exploding dat/des/*/* 00:35:37 ego: it is 00:35:45 I couldn't remember if it was exploding or explosive. 00:36:00 .... 00:36:09 Why is exploding ammo so bad? 00:36:18 Fixed damage. 00:36:18 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:29 Why can't it be good? Like ... distributing ~1/4 - 1/3 of damage instead of just fixed damage 00:36:33 that would be a good fix for Damnation too 00:36:37 A great one actually 00:36:50 <|amethyst> long sword ego:expletive name:Shitfucking_Sword 00:37:05 ... 00:37:09 lewd 00:37:18 hurricos: i'd consider a patch. 00:37:28 YOU WOULD? 00:37:31 I'LL DO IT! 00:37:32 babel is so bad 00:37:33 oh my god 00:37:35 (after I get some sleep) 00:37:40 :P 00:37:45 |amethyst: did you see my suggestion for a replacement for condensation shield? 00:37:59 hell knights just not the strength they need to be for a good dedication, the loros in gehenna, etc 00:38:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I did not, but I almost never used the spell so I'm not sure I could evaluate it as a replacement 00:38:22 |amethyst: no worries on that count 00:38:33 new unrand: Condescension Shield 00:38:46 ... 00:38:47 ...unfortunately all i have is the name and "it probably gives rc". 00:38:51 oh I'm thinking of...? 00:39:07 oh, shit, I forgot 00:39:10 bruiser_brothers 00:39:22 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I guess I could see how somebody like you might think that's a good design 00:39:25 nooooo 00:39:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:39:38 !vault grunt_bruiser_brothers 00:39:38 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l2733 00:39:45 <|amethyst> or maybe it's a shield against condescension? 00:39:51 the description would mention that, according to rumor, it can hover in midair and shield its owner without requiring a hand to hold it; however, it certainly wouldn't bother doing that for someone like you. 00:39:58 <|amethyst> haha 00:40:33 people on sa had lots of suggestions when I mentioned the name, but nothing that really grabbed me 00:40:42 <|amethyst> sadly, the description would be removed, because people hate in-jokes 00:40:50 nooooo 00:40:59 it's true. 00:41:12 I would protect it! 00:41:14 i would 00:41:15 <|amethyst> (Bring Back Wiglaf's Vengeance) 00:41:15 shield it 00:42:29 yes, but when are the dwarf mountain bats 00:43:30 <|amethyst> regret-index: succumbed to white-nose :( 00:43:48 wauh, all the cute little batses getting fungal infections :( 00:43:56 i only learned about white-nose last week 00:43:58 mega sad 00:44:15 but, fedhas would approve. 00:44:39 FR: at 27 invocations, Fedhites can (p)ray to fungify all monsters in LoS. 00:44:45 Turning them to toadstools. 00:44:47 For piety gain. 00:44:57 BUT - no experience. 00:45:57 I always regretted that there is design space for use of fungus / tree form, but no way to precisely access them 00:46:04 and Fedhas is already quite strong. 00:46:26 <|amethyst> there is a way to precisely access one of them 00:46:27 ...what do player forms have to do with monsters, though. 00:46:37 I understand amethyst 00:46:42 I mean renewable means 00:46:54 <|amethyst> I suggested turning confusing touch into fungus form 00:47:16 Confusing touch works on demons 00:47:18 fungus form does not 00:47:28 unless I'm horribly misguided 00:48:12 i believe you are 00:48:19 I also think confusing touch has very limited use cases and find that sad 00:48:23 mostly just Felids 00:48:30 it was insanely op, once. 00:48:35 Oh I know. 00:48:37 Trust me, I know. 00:48:52 I played a lot of Ce early on 00:48:54 -!- FireSight has quit [] 00:48:59 I always jumped for joy finding cantrips 00:49:10 and never memorized animate skeleton 00:49:11 rip the entire category of cantrips 00:49:15 boy was I misguided 00:49:19 <|amethyst> IIRC my spriggan win did 'zc' a lot 00:49:28 hah 00:49:40 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:49:47 <|amethyst> probably not c actually 00:50:00 confusing touch should really be redesigned, but that's just my opinion. 00:50:01 <|amethyst> pretty sure I had evaporation on c 00:50:06 :O 00:51:04 <|amethyst> hm, no, evaporate was b, c was intoxication 00:51:24 <|amethyst> and I either forgot confusing touch by the end of the game, or I'm conflating that with another game 00:52:19 I wonder what issues there are with making confusing touch work on any weapon 00:52:25 Oh, also, rats, I forgot to test something important 00:53:45 <|amethyst> "offensive hex that doesn't use MR" is kind of a weird niche 00:54:07 <|amethyst> we have a lot of those, but most of the ones I can think of aren't Hexes 00:54:20 ??discord 00:54:20 discord[1/3]: Level 8 Hexes spell. Has a chance to cause enemies in LOS to go into {frenzy}. Checks MR. Does not work on monsters with plant int. 00:55:01 <|amethyst> dazzling spray I guess 00:55:15 englaciate 00:55:23 <|amethyst> ah 00:55:52 <|amethyst> and I guess silence is offensive, really 00:56:20 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:56:49 ??confusing_touch 00:56:49 confusing touch[1/3]: A level 2 Hexes spell that makes your hands "glow red" for 10 + d(power) / 5 (max 20) turns. While the status is up, your unarmed attacks do no damage but are slightly more accurate. If you hit a monster with no weapon wielded, it has a chance to get confused and the status to end. 00:56:55 ??confusing_touch[2 00:56:56 confusing touch[2/3]: Non-living monsters and plant monsters are unconfusable. 1/5th of the time, nothing happens. Otherwise, if the monster's HD is greater than or equal to random2(30) (random2(22) if a demon/angel/undead, wtf), nothing happens. Otherwise, it gets confused. If it doesn't get confused, the status doesn't end. 00:56:58 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:18 wtf 00:57:24 Yeah, alright, so I was gladly wrong about the functionality 00:57:26 it has uh ... 00:57:31 awkward behavior with hydra form 00:57:38 but gladly not -too- awkward 00:59:48 <|amethyst> hm, I have to imagine there are some forms where confusing touch leads to strange messages 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:08 <|amethyst> since the body part that you.hands_act() refers to might not be the same body part you attack with 01:01:01 No, not really. 01:01:10 "You nip at the titan but do no damage." 01:01:16 <|amethyst> hydra I guess would be one 01:01:18 <|amethyst> right, but 01:01:27 foreclaws 01:01:28 gotcha 01:01:29 <|amethyst> "Your foreclaws are glowing read" 01:01:32 yeah, it's weird 01:01:33 <|amethyst> s/read/red/ 01:01:49 ugh 01:01:57 My screen won't stop flickering this awful mess 01:02:08 The issue is with the video cable and I have no idea how to fix it besides not 01:02:09 ... 01:02:09 wow 01:02:11 <|amethyst> then again, maybe the hands glowing red is a side effect 01:02:24 <|amethyst> and isn't actually related to the other effects of the spell 01:03:00 The desc believes otherwise: 01:03:53 I would type it out but I'm currently trying not to go berserk and destroy my laptopt 01:03:57 <|amethyst> oh, it even says "dominant hand" 01:04:17 <|amethyst> which IIRC was kb explaining why it doesn't work with auxes 01:04:46 Perhaps ... 01:04:52 It should just make things that hit you get confused instead. 01:05:32 A la "I'm a little mushroom, chalky white; enjoy my spores if you hit me right." 01:06:10 <|amethyst> that sounds a bit like one of those buffs you try to keep up as much as possible 01:06:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:15 The build was fixed. (master - d4e4476 #5233 : regret-index): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/121336078 01:06:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:06:38 <|amethyst> unless it keeps the "your melee does 0 damage" thing, and even then it would depend on the character 01:07:14 It could be a permanent buff. 01:07:23 Like DMsl, but reversed - 01:07:28 only deactivated when it activates 01:07:45 no more permanent buffs, please. 01:07:49 <|amethyst> I'm pretty sure "like dmsl" isn't the way to get your thing in ... 01:07:52 <|amethyst> what PF said 01:07:56 Oh, that's not well-liked? 01:08:00 Its functionality is quite good, though 01:08:21 i wrote an essay about why it doesn't work. 01:08:25 among other thigns. 01:08:45 <|amethyst> it is "quite good" for the player 01:08:49 It could just have an ench timer and the timer could go down very quickly when out of sight of monsters or when it activates 01:09:02 ... hmmm ... eh, I don't know, that seems funny. 01:09:06 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:09:11 Could be a race idea. Mushroom people. 01:09:32 <|amethyst> could be a demonspawn mutation 01:09:36 At some XL you break free from your fear and only move more slowly when in sight, but also go hyperactive as tension increases, eventually even creating spores 01:09:41 spines alternate 01:09:43 <|amethyst> instead of miasma on hit, meph on hit 01:09:50 Meph on hit is weaksauce 01:09:53 because rPois is a thing 01:10:08 save my poor putrid demonspawn 01:10:25 whereas even rPois get murdered by miasma 01:10:34 why don't demons get affected by that, by the way? 01:10:34 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:10:39 @??josephine 01:10:39 Josephine (00@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 58-83 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 11 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 13neg+++ | Vul: 08holy | XP: 1068 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d16), vampiric draining (4-29), dispel undead (3d18) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:10:43 hold on, time to test 01:10:57 @??death drake 01:10:57 death drake (15k) | Spd: 13 | HD: 9 | HP: 62-93 | AC/EV: 6/14 | Dam: 12 | cold-blooded, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison, 04rot | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 741 | Sp: miasma breath (3d9) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 01:11:09 no, she doesn't have rRot 01:11:21 @??crimson imp 01:11:21 crimson imp (055) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 10-16 | AC/EV: 3/14 | Dam: 4 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(40), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | XP: 48 | Sp: blink [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 01:11:25 inaffected by oh 01:11:26 ho! 01:11:27 I see 01:11:30 why does josephine have rN+++ anyway? she's not in lichform, and player necromancers don't get a bunch of rN 01:11:43 The flavor is she's basically dead already 01:11:45 because ghostly fireball. 01:11:48 <|amethyst> so she doesn't kill herself with GF 01:11:52 And mechanics dictate that^ 01:12:01 <|amethyst> but 01:12:05 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1718-g40ea4b6 (34) 01:12:08 can't wait for blood saints to kill themselves a whole bunch 01:12:17 @??harold 01:12:17 Harold (09@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 62-90 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 993 | Sp: b.fire (3d17), blink [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:12:20 <|amethyst> in the case of fannar, we decided he should get a bunch of equipment rather than having an innate resistance 01:12:31 oh, that's b.fire, not fireball 01:12:34 iirc the rn predates worries about ghostly fireball 01:12:43 some of it did, anyway 01:12:47 <|amethyst> %0.10??josephine 01:12:48 that... sounds off 01:12:52 Josephine (16@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 69 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1234 | Sp: b.cold (3d17), b.draining (3d14), animate dead, simulacrum | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:12:52 <|amethyst> %0.10?josephine 01:12:53 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:58 Josephine (16@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 69 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(66), 13neg+++ | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1060 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d16), vampiric draining, animate dead, dispel undead (3d18) | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:12:58 <|amethyst> %0.14?josephine 01:13:03 regret-index: my recollection: i rewrote the description to describe her as "half-undead" instead of "ugly" 01:13:04 Josephine (16@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 69 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 1234 | Sp: b.cold (3d17), b.draining (3d14), animate dead, simulacrum | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:13:04 <|amethyst> %0.12?josephine 01:13:11 Josephine (16@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 69 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 11 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 07contam | XP: 989 | Sp: b.cold (3d17), agony, animate dead, simulacrum | Sz: Medium | Int: high. 01:13:11 <|amethyst> %0.13?josephine 01:13:14 then someone added rN to justify "half-undead" 01:13:24 then someone added more rN so she'd actually ghostly fireball consistently 01:13:49 <|amethyst> looks like that all happened (except maybe for the desc) between 0.13 and 0.14 01:14:02 %git 5871f7d3d3961e9 01:14:02 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3395-g5871f7d: Spice up Josephine 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 2 files, 15+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5871f7d3d396 01:14:06 anyway, i checked and I'm wrong 01:14:07 yep 01:14:13 but that was my recollection! 01:14:50 %git 2cd3c76d0 01:14:50 07PleasingFungus02 {MarvinPA} * 0.14-a0-2768-g2cd3c76: Cleaned up some uniques' descriptions. 10(2 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 10+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2cd3c76d0f90 01:14:55 hm 01:15:03 ha ha ha I'm right!!! 01:15:12 well, more right than wrong, anyway 01:15:21 I actually forgot I started contributing before DO left 01:15:40 I think I only saw like... maybe two commitstorms 01:15:50 A graceful kobold assassin. Admire her graceful pirouettes, 01:16:19 i can't remember if that one is still around 01:16:23 <|amethyst> it is 01:16:28 it is 01:16:32 Admire her severe lack of MR 01:16:32 haha 01:16:42 <|amethyst> I think maybe the description could be more graceful 01:16:55 <|amethyst> by being less so 01:17:01 %git 491478217 01:17:01 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-658-g4914782: Revert some unique descriptions, fix various pronouns 10(3 years, 6 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 37-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4914782177f7 01:17:28 now this was a sonja description. 01:17:43 why was wiglaf's hand burnt? 01:17:54 dragon? 01:18:15 Why would wiggly ever have trouble with a dragon when he slaughters many unprepared characters? 01:18:20 oh, EV issues 01:18:21 <|amethyst> work-related accident 01:18:23 for a second I thought xtahua was that dragon 01:18:33 ... 01:18:37 Conspiracy theory time 01:18:42 an epic confrontation! 01:18:47 MDs were repurposed as doors after Xtahua paid off the devs 01:18:55 YOU WILL NEVER ESCAPE YOUR LIES, DEVS 01:19:01 <|amethyst> Mountain Door Fighter 01:19:14 <|amethyst> !lg * cxc race=md 01:19:15 No games for * (cxc race=md). 01:19:16 I'm very fond of the current prince ribbit description 01:19:18 A frog of unusual size, with a tiny crown perched incongruously atop his head. 01:19:20 I've seen better conspiracy theories 01:19:40 like... slyphs fighting chemtrails in the sky? 01:19:43 @??xtahua 01:19:43 Xtahua (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 110-153 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 1709(claw), 2007(trample) | 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 3781 | Sp: searing breath (3d38) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 01:19:55 could Xtahua be buffed? Pretty please? 01:20:06 I find him insultingly easy 01:20:10 we gave him searing breath, we gave him door-breaking, what more do you want? 01:20:11 with primal wave breath, and a ring of thunder clouds, and 01:20:18 He should breathe orbs of fire 01:20:19 !killratio * recent xtahua 01:20:19 Subcommand $(!lg recent xtahua ikiller=* fmt:"${n}" stub:"0") failed: No keyword 'xtahua' in $(= ${ratio} NaN) in $(if $(= ${ratio} NaN) No ba... 01:20:32 * PleasingFungus swats regret-index with a rolled-up newspaper. 01:20:32 !killratio * xtahua recent 01:20:35 No battles for * and xtahua (recent). 01:20:42 I give up 01:20:51 !killratio xtahua * recent 01:20:51 speaking of orbs of fire, ... we get a harmless miscast message about primordial spheres of flame 01:20:56 and yet we can't summon orbs of fire? 01:20:58 xtahua wins 0.396% of battles against * (recent). 01:21:02 Shame. 01:21:11 of course you can summon orbs of fire 01:21:24 Not in Pan you can't :( 01:21:28 you can get miscast messages about fistfuls of eyeballs 01:21:30 god. playerthink! 01:21:31 disgusting 01:21:35 agreed 01:21:43 can I get a sim of lom lobon vs 3 oofs 01:21:53 you can. 01:21:54 <|amethyst> FR: mercenary card occasionally gives you a baby orb of fire 01:22:01 ??fight 01:22:01 !fight[1/3]: the best(/spammiest) invention since ever. telnet termcast.develz.org (FightClub channel) to watch. "!fight cancel" to end a fight that's stalled, or repeat the same command line with "cancel" at the end, e.g. !fight butterfly v butterfly cancel. 01:22:03 orb of embers 01:22:08 <|amethyst> that you can raise to maturity by letting it get XP 01:22:11 ??fight[2] 01:22:11 !fight[2/3]: Examples: "!fight 20-headed hydra v 10 kobold ; scimitar ego:flaming", "!fight 99 orc v the royal jelly", "!fight electric eel v 10 rat". Note the syntax for some monsters -- make sure you aren't pluralizing, and spell monster names correctly. 01:22:19 Oh man ... imagine that 01:22:22 a named oof 01:22:23 <|amethyst> it can be like the dog/cat in nethack 01:22:30 one in a thousand chance of ancestor god giving you an oof 01:22:36 <|amethyst> can burninate shops for you 01:22:38 !fight 3 orb of fire v Lom Lobon 01:22:40 turns out your ancestry... well, it's complicated.... 01:22:41 <|amethyst> getting you the contents for free 01:22:42 boosted chance if your name is annie 01:23:11 !fight 3 Orb of Fire v Lom Lobon 01:23:16 hmm 01:23:17 ??fight[3] 01:23:18 !fight[3/3]: PM varmin your !fight requests to reduce channel spam. 01:23:29 <|amethyst> ˇfight orb of zot v orb of fire v loc-nar 01:23:37 pff 01:24:00 Wow, not even that worked 01:24:02 Huh. 01:24:07 they all worked 01:24:10 .... 01:24:11 https://termcast.shalott.org/tv/ 01:24:21 when I -tv I get a tv link back 01:24:23 I feel betrayed 01:24:38 please consider being more owned 01:25:39 Huh! 01:25:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that is the weakest attempt I've seen at security exploit by social engineering 01:25:51 Surprising they don't tear him to shreds sooner 01:26:11 !fight 3 orb of fire v lom lobon t:99 delay:10 01:26:36 |amethyst: ? 01:26:41 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: "I notice your server is under your control and not mine. Would you please consider being more owned?" 01:27:34 ...fightclub seems slower than I remember. 01:28:11 lol 01:28:14 not quite what I was going for 01:28:16 I kind of want to do a panlord bracketing 01:28:22 -!- Zekka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:22 but then again I know Lom will crush everyone 01:28:48 You know what would be interesting ...? 01:28:48 mnoleg used to have decent rates just because of af_klown 01:28:58 Random panlord fights 01:29:02 in brackets 01:29:16 generate 'em first and then tack onto the dart board and let people make their brackets 01:29:27 <|amethyst> (&) 01:30:03 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:31:41 Oh I see 01:32:08 I thought oofs would fry lom but glaciate's really strong and preventing BoFs from landing 01:32:28 hm. probably should make a chart of aut versus paralysis chance for these eyes I guess 01:36:16 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:42:03 for entry in _user_data[service]: 01:42:03 if entry["username"].lower() == username.lower(): 01:42:03 return entry 01:42:06 oops 01:42:08 I mean 01:42:11 @??giant_eye 01:42:11 unknown monster: "giant_eye" 01:42:15 @??giant_eyeball 01:42:15 giant eyeball (00G) | Spd: 3 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-19 | AC/EV: 0/1 | see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(10), 12drown | XP: 8 | Sp: paralysis gaze [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 01:42:28 oh, maybe that was only in a branch 01:42:33 ? 01:42:44 the giant eyeball reform thing 01:42:48 fr: n?? 01:42:50 er 01:42:56 what giant eyeball reform*? 01:43:23 it's hangedman's fault is all I know 01:43:36 it is probably this 01:44:04 ??regretindex[1] 01:44:04 regretindex[1/2]: http://sprunge.us/TiJh 01:44:17 ...no, that doesn't have the paragraphs 01:44:23 ??regretindex[2 01:44:24 regretindex[2/2]: 0.18 last minute: serialized demonic runes, xom summon diversifying, sputtercast banded revived giant eyeballs, deep elf mage / knight relations, blood saint double explosions, address iron giant giant bands in dis 01:45:23 http://sprunge.us/ZTVa there we go 01:47:33 -!- AltReality has quit [Quit: Shame on us, doomed from the start, May God have mercy on our dirty little hearts. Shame on us, for what we've done, and all we ever were, just zeros and ones.] 01:47:58 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:52:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:54:51 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:56:06 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:56:28 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:59:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:39 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:40 The build was fixed. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:17:25 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:23:58 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1718-g40ea4b6 (34) 03:25:54 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:30:09 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:38:06 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:48:41 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:00:08 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:09 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:12:05 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:12:38 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:13:20 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:15 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:19:10 -!- Rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:20:13 -!- tripout_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:21:04 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:01 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:24:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:33:50 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 04:34:13 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:41:14 !learn edit powered_by_pain[2] s|Requires.*trigger|Requires random2(damage) > 4 + XL/4 or damage >= maxhp/2 to trigger 04:41:14 powered by pain[2/2]: Requires random2(damage) > 4 + XL/4 or damage >= maxhp/2 to trigger. You regain 3d(2 + 3*mutlevel) MP, might/agility effects last 35 + random2(20*mutlevel) turns. 04:46:20 -!- zxc has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:12 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:02:47 ololoev (L27 HEFE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 554: mid cache bogosity: mid 14807 points to DEAD MONSTER mindex=131 mid=0 (Abyss:5) 05:08:36 ololoev (L27 HEFE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 554: mid cache bogosity: mid 15000 points to DEAD MONSTER mindex=32 mid=0 (Abyss:5) 05:09:44 -!- NotKat has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:12:33 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:16:20 Am I missing something or why does it fail on regular rc stuff after I start with lua code?: http://pastebin.com/MpwdeXbC 05:17:10 This is HDA's config all merged into one giant file. See line 361, it'll fail there, I added messages to show in-game. 05:17:38 The odd thing is, changing <> to {} and those messages shows, but the rc just doesn't work anyways. <> seems to at least not print if something fails. 05:17:44 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:18:06 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:18:18 ololoev (L27 HEFE) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 554: mid cache bogosity: mid 15509 points to DEAD MONSTER mindex=95 mid=0 (Abyss:5) 05:19:03 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:29:32 Changed it a little, maybe it's better to see it here: made all functions from HDA execute instantly with {} but the other regular rc stuff seems to fail still.. 05:29:36 &rc Mattias 05:29:37 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/DEFINITELYNOTMATTIAS.rc 05:29:52 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:31:11 Now I get Lua error: attempt to yield across metamethod/C-call boundary 05:31:41 which line ? 05:31:49 It doesn't say :( 05:32:11 The rc is 5k+ lines :P 05:33:14 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:33:40 well now you have to comment out each block until you find the one responsible 05:34:28 bgiannan: It's basically HDA's code, which everyone uses. Why do I get this just by merging the files instead of including :/ https://github.com/mattias/DCSSConfigFile <-- the fork 05:34:56 It compiles the files, and I moved lua code into their own lua files. the compiler just adds {} then pushes the code to the compiled.rc file 05:38:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:39:12 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 05:39:44 bgiannan: I'll just do what you said. comment out everything then slowly comment them all back. probably the only way. 05:40:41 well when you got no context from the error you just have to go oldschool 05:42:53 I just removed all lua code, it still fails on HDAMessageColors (got a crawl.mpr at the bottom of the file which doesn't log anything) 05:42:54 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:42:57 -.- 05:43:26 same error ? 05:43:43 No, it's just that crawl.mpr('HDAMessageColors') never shows 05:43:52 Which tells me that the rc did not load at all 05:44:05 Somehow it fails but I get no errors 05:44:18 weird 05:44:52 are you testing online ? 05:45:32 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 05:45:46 yes 05:45:49 &rc Mattias 05:45:50 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/DEFINITELYNOTMATTIAS.rc 05:45:56 Try that out (notice the first few lines) 05:46:00 it will log the first, not the second 05:46:40 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:47:06 did you test it out locally ? 05:47:21 No, I don't have it installed locally :) 05:48:00 i am at work right now but i'll try and test it later 05:48:24 It's weird since so many people use this rc (including it from the server) 05:51:25 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 05:51:32 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:53:46 updated to just three lines. still fails on the second print -.- 05:54:36 Got it to work! 05:54:45 maybe you can't have more than one set of <> in a file 05:55:47 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 05:57:04 -!- Goblin1989 has quit [Client Quit] 05:57:26 good to know 05:58:03 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:58:49 yeah, that was it 05:58:53 now it works :D 05:58:59 still that lua error though 05:59:04 *debugging it now* 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:06:40 looks like it only happens in trunk. in 0.17 it works 06:10:02 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:18:33 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:21:33 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:24:09 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:27:04 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:27:22 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:31:58 -!- spriseris has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:47:11 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:49:07 -!- fyfsdg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:37 -!- rockit_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:19:39 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:23:19 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:26:35 -!- Denapoli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:29:55 -!- njorth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:31:59 -!- Serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:32:44 -!- ldf_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:33:25 -!- ldf__ is now known as ldf_ 07:34:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:20 Unused staircase going up does not show asterisk as a staircase that hasn't been used 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10349 by RoGGa 07:42:09 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:52:04 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:58:32 -!- Wizard_of_Zot is now known as NotKat 07:58:57 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:59:25 -!- tripout_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:25 -!- NotKat is now known as Wizard_of_Zot 08:02:05 -!- debo is now known as debo_ 08:02:35 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest98463 08:08:44 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:11:41 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:18:57 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:54 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:23:03 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:30:53 -!- agentgt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:44:30 -!- ECbian has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:47:31 -!- Surgo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:49:33 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:50:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:50:47 -!- Wizard_of_Zot is now known as NotKat 08:50:53 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:52:41 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:58:12 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:36 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:04:39 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:07:38 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:10:15 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:10:52 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:13:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:14:49 should slowing cold-blooded creatures be proportional to damage? I would have thought yes. But it is for monsters, and isn't for players. 09:15:17 except approximately in a few hard-coded cases (miscasts, refrigerate) 09:15:22 -!- bencryption has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15:22 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:15:23 and accidentally, for freeze 09:16:40 -!- jbenedetto has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:24 I'm getting tempted to actually try to fix this system in certain ways...maybe a bad temptation in terms of actually getting the qaz fix accepted soon 09:19:20 -!- rkd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:20:11 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 09:21:07 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:22:30 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:24:13 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:51 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:28:47 ??cold-blooded[3 09:28:48 cold-blooded ~ cold blooded[3/3]: These effects cause slowing: Freeze-branded melee, Freeze, Ozo's Refrigeration, Metabolic Englaciation (extra), and Freezing Cloud. 09:28:57 advil, ^ 09:33:09 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:34:59 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:35:55 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:42 -!- NotKat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:40:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:42:42 huh 09:43:42 I'm not sure it comes up much but the "extra" for englaciate is certainly wrong for attacks against players 09:44:04 (also in trunk right now almost no spells will actually slow cold-blooded players, so there's that) 09:44:28 (or cold-blooded monsters) 09:45:41 and if it's really supposed to be _just_ those spells and not all cold spells the system has been out of whack for some time, independent of current bugs 09:46:04 well, maybe 09:46:18 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:48:36 -!- Arch_Mage is now known as NotKat 09:49:00 heh ok englaciate is hard-coded and doesn't work the same way as the rest 09:49:16 sigh 09:49:36 -!- 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Connection reset by peer] 13:40:31 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:50 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:59:54 -!- bgiannan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:34 -!- KattheKat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:01:05 -!- WorkSight has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:05 -!- KattheKat_ is now known as Archmage_Kat 14:01:08 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:12 -!- hurricos has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:17 I have a few too many questions. 14:01:34 Actually, I have way too many questions ... 14:01:51 And I feel I know the answer to at least one of them. 14:01:52 -!- Dingbat_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:01:57 What's the consensus on the state of beam.cc? 14:02:45 it's great. everyone loves it. basically the ideal of all code 14:02:52 do you have an actual question 14:03:23 ... eegh, yes. I'm working on turning explosive missiles into ... actually useful things past the early game 14:04:11 I'm really not sure ... if I should try to like 14:04:52 Take the preac damage and stick that into a dice_def(1, *preac) 14:04:59 -!- Archmage_Kat is now known as Archwizard_Kat 14:05:04 or what, any more. 14:05:30 Deep down I feel a lot of this portion of the code would be improved if crawl had some sort of abstract dice set object, kinda like lazy evaluation? 14:05:51 What anydice.com does? ... but that's not an option any more 14:06:07 because it's way too hard. So I don't know. :| 14:07:09 Would it be problematic to stick another flag into beam.h for the bolt struct that describes that it's like, an explosive bolt 14:07:21 I would really prefer not to have even more flags. 14:07:23 and should have its special_explosion calculated later 14:07:26 Yeah, I was thinking not 14:08:03 There are other solutions. I like having special_explosion because it means a different beam and that's good for Damnation's implementation, and for the design if you want the explosion to be metal fragments. 14:08:12 err, BEAM_FRAG 14:08:16 (triply rolled AC) 14:09:06 Without looking at the relevant code, here's my thought wrt explosive ammo: just, at the point where damage is calculated for normal shots, reduce it to 1/3rd or w/e, and then use that damage in the explosion. 14:09:15 I should dig into how Devastator works. Maybe I could roll explosions into a brand and have brand action take care of it 14:09:25 Devastator is hard-coded as hell. 14:09:26 Very special case. 14:09:51 Mm, I see. I know pretty well how artifacts work so =shrug= 14:10:00 I'll just for now put what I want below where Yara's is done 14:10:02 Relevant bit is in spl-damage.cc 14:10:07 Wat 14:10:08 for devastator 14:10:11 jesus. 14:10:40 iirc because it's like shatter? 14:11:11 Yeah, I get the sense of that. 14:11:18 Shatter no longer has range limit, does it? 14:11:30 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:11:32 probably 14:12:27 It might be more interesting for the Shillelagh to be more unique, but if it's not like those explosions I'm not touching it 14:12:44 Like, just make it cast shatter when you hit things, with range depending on how hard you hit 'em 14:13:03 Be back 14:14:24 it seems like that'd make it less unique. 14:15:38 The numbers would be significantly different - if the flavor is just that you're hitting things and causing percussive damage to the adjacent monsters, then it can be rewritten a bit to reflect that instead of looking like an explosion of gunpowder or whatever that yellow flash is 14:15:51 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 14:17:02 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:19:11 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:21:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 14:25:09 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:25:47 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:27:04 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:32:53 -!- WorkSight has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:33:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 14:41:00 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:46:36 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:47:08 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:47:25 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:49:33 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: good night] 14:51:46 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:53:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:57:37 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:58:12 -!- Shinino_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:04:51 -!- ProzacElf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:13 -!- ProzacElf_ is now known as PElf 15:11:24 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:11:52 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:14:16 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:25:48 -!- PElf is now known as ProzacElf 15:25:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:27:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:27:39 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest55699 15:28:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:28:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:28:55 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 15:29:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:30:01 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:32:16 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:34:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:35:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:36:06 -!- Archwizard_Kat has quit [Quit: Gong!] 15:36:15 -!- Test is now known as Guest37804 15:36:26 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:34 -!- Guest37804 has quit [Client Quit] 15:36:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:37:12 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:37:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 15:40:20 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:45:48 This is horrifying. 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