00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06:00 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/251 * 0.18-a0-1688-g40582f8: Expose ignited monsters to fire 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40582f8548f0 00:08:02 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1692-g516f9e9 (34) 00:08:11 can randlords or liches ever cast ignite poison? 00:08:11 advil: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:08:15 !messages 00:08:15 (1/1) Grunt said (1h 7m 43s ago): it is not 00:08:29 answers! 00:08:37 !source ghost.cc 00:08:37 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ghost.cc 00:08:41 ok I will fix that tomorrow 00:09:08 advil: no, on both counts. 00:09:18 but ghosts, maybe. 00:09:23 not sure. 00:09:27 ah 00:10:42 yep 00:10:45 (they can) 00:10:53 heh ok 00:11:00 so that function can be called then 00:11:12 !lg * kaux~~ignit 00:11:13 131. koboldina the Fighter (L11 DrSu of Trog), mangled by a minotaur (a -1 rod of ignition (11/11)) in a Labyrinth (labyrinth_spiral) on 2016-04-02 05:59:04, with 9898 points after 11684 turns and 0:22:51. 00:11:19 !lg * kaux~~ignit s=kaux 00:11:19 131 games for * (kaux~~ignit): 23x ignited by themself, 5x a +3 rod of ignition (11/11), 5x miscasting Ignite Poison, 5x a +8 rod of ignition (13/13), 4x a +4 rod of ignition (13/13), 4x a +7 rod of ignition (10/10), 4x a +0 rod of ignition (10/10), 4x a +5 rod of ignition (13/13), 4x a +4 rod of ignition (14/14), 4x a +2 rod of ignition (11/11), 3x a +4 rod of ignition (10/10), 3x ignited by thei... 00:11:24 lol 00:11:36 !lg * kaux="ignited by themself" 00:11:37 23. guyde the Archmage (L27 DsFE of Vehumet), killed by an exploding bennu ignited by themself on Zig:19 on 2016-03-26 07:54:58, with 1582999 points after 65461 turns and 10:40:44. 00:11:44 wow, recent 00:11:52 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:12:01 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:12:22 !lg * kaux="ignited by their pet" 00:12:22 3. KenshiSugiya the Demonologist (L25 TeSu of Kikubaaqudgha), killed by an exploding bennu ignited by their pet on Tomb:3 (tomb_3) on 2015-03-17 09:25:33, with 530912 points after 68838 turns and 19:51:59. 00:13:26 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:06 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 00:25:13 -!- hurricos has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:24 -!- hurricos is now known as Hurricos 00:25:51 PleasingFungus: I'm submitting a pull request for my branch mummy_unconfuse 00:26:13 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:14 The branch makes changes so that 1) Mummies can use Self-restoration while confused and 2) Using it ends confusion. 00:26:32 is that the one that eats a permanent MP? 00:26:56 Yes. 00:26:57 which other abilities can be used while confused? 00:27:18 !Curing 00:27:19 Any with the flag uh 00:27:23 ... hmm 00:27:26 <|amethyst> Draw Out Power and most of Ely's 00:27:34 <|amethyst> abflag::CONF_OK 00:27:36 abflag::CONF_OK 00:27:40 amethyst 00:27:40 damn you 00:27:42 I had that. 00:27:43 haha 00:27:51 gasp 00:27:51 But I made three changes 00:28:00 the mythical mummy buff 00:28:01 not just two? 00:28:05 I added the flag, I made did_restore 00:28:12 pick up if confusion was ended by the ability 00:28:33 I made the usefulness check for the ability check whether or not you were currently confused as well as if you had stats down 00:29:17 and .. of course I made the you.duration[DUR_CONF] = 0 00:29:27 anyways, I'm submitting the pull request now 00:29:43 ok. 00:29:45 I thought I'd get it out of the way before I started rakshasa_cloak 00:29:49 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:51 oh, what's that? 00:29:59 although I wonder if you guys really want an unrand 00:30:04 we love unrands. 00:30:05 err, well, you're the one that approves it - 00:30:16 unrands are way easier to get into the game than, like 00:30:18 the +3 Cloak of the Rakshasa {EV+4 MR++ +Illus} 00:30:21 almost anything, really 00:30:28 since they affect so little 00:30:38 -!- mibe has quit [Client Quit] 00:30:43 I wanted to make this evocable on an XP timer but I think I might just do it on Exh+Drain 00:30:55 renewable Illusion card effect, considering linking hp of illusion with your HP 00:31:01 but not sure entirely 00:31:13 did you see my old notes on it? 00:31:18 this is based on elmdor's proposal 00:31:20 so no 00:31:24 might I take a look? 00:31:25 cloak of the rakshasa - lets you make illusionary copies of self for a few turns (elmdor) 00:31:26 the rakshasa thing would be too powerful as an evokable, maybe it could do it randomly in high tension situations 00:31:28 copy attackers instead? 00:31:38 those are my notes 00:31:55 copying attackers seems a lot more difficult - it would, I guess, need to activate on hit? 00:31:59 though I hadn't considered exh+drain evocation 00:32:19 <|amethyst> copying attackers has the mild problem that it makes you want to stand around and get hit 00:32:21 it feels quite a bit like a Ru ability, but honestly I don't think it matters whether I do it like Elemental evokers or like that 00:32:24 i feel like a cloak probably shouldn't be targeted 00:32:28 |amethyst: does it actually, though. 00:32:54 <|amethyst> well, unless it's so weak that it's just a consolatin prize for being hit 00:32:55 Perhaps it can copy attackers when YOU hit them. 00:33:01 <|amethyst> s/latin/lation/ 00:33:14 <|amethyst> I guess there's space in between 00:33:28 latin 00:33:33 oh, I had high hopes there 00:33:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:33:42 haha 00:33:58 lacking bot response though for my suspicions to have been correct 00:33:59 ergh 00:33:59 um 00:34:14 I mean, by far the easiest way would just be card evocation 00:34:31 but it's either 1) Drain / exh, 2) Rechargeable or 3) linked hp 00:34:40 any of those three would be balanced 00:34:55 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:11 <|amethyst> I don't think it would be balanced with linked HP 00:35:17 <|amethyst> with just linked HP 00:35:25 Hurricos: that's the options for manual evocation as opposed to some kind of triggered effect, right? 00:35:29 Yes 00:35:35 It could be linked HP and an HP cost ... 00:35:37 or 00:35:38 also, triggering on tension would be a bad idea, and i'm gonna scrap that from my notes 00:35:39 one or the other 00:35:49 Yeah, we should move away from tension for everything but Xom honestly 00:35:54 err 00:35:54 ok 00:36:05 i think we have? 00:36:05 well I don't really know, Singing sword works neatly with it as do like fifteen other things 00:36:15 idk how much uses tension 00:36:17 besides those two 00:36:22 Singing sword, Horror 00:36:28 Xom action ... 00:36:48 <|amethyst> chei wrath 00:36:51 I playtested Singing Sword in zigs, it's actually absolutely dumbfounding 00:36:52 god 00:36:53 chei wrath 00:37:08 it's basically los halftornado, irresistable 00:37:10 except silence heh 00:37:15 <|amethyst> warden door sealing decisions 00:37:36 <|amethyst> demonic guardian 00:38:00 LO heat 00:38:05 Oh, wait. 00:38:06 :^) 00:38:12 <|amethyst> I was deliberately skipping that one :) 00:38:23 speaking of races ... 00:38:30 I implemented bcadren's Shadow Giant idea 00:38:34 and it looks like they might be a tad op 00:38:38 hahahaha 00:38:39 i'm shocked 00:38:43 well, just a tad 00:38:46 not nearly as good as Mi 00:38:47 what is this? 00:38:53 -2 Exp +5 HP 00:38:56 good apts all around 00:38:59 giants size so shite ev 00:39:19 That is a lot of HP 00:39:20 but (after I tweaked itemprop.cc to work to his proposal) ability to use lots of mid/high tier weapons 1hed 00:39:23 so, like ogres, but better? 00:39:30 Not really 00:39:36 Og have better HP in the main parts of the game 00:39:41 -2 Exp is a lot of -Exp 00:40:08 At similar Fighting investment I think the breakpoint is like Xl17 for the SG 00:40:42 rF- nightstalker and ... rC+ rN+ 00:41:02 I was thinking a good way to nerf them would just be to limit cloaks and hats back to SIZE_BIG 00:41:06 but I realized that was kind of stupid 00:41:10 who wants to play a hatless cloakless race 00:41:13 oh wait 00:41:19 ... jokes of course 00:41:45 I think what really makes the race are the spell apts 00:41:53 and the fact that they get to devour 00:41:53 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:56 lol 00:41:58 no, it's definitely just the devouring 00:42:04 hydra devouring? 00:42:08 Yep 00:42:19 literally just tacked on ... || you.species == SP_SHADOW_GIANT 00:42:22 that sounds kind of overdesigned 00:42:31 it's actually rather fun to play with 00:43:08 you sacrifice a lot of your ability to defend yourself (no thick skin, shite EV, and initially was not even able to wear robes!) for a lot of offense 00:43:37 and of course nightstalker 3, which is a blessing and a curse 00:43:43 I haven't bothered to fix devouring with a reaching weapon 00:44:03 just because it's so silly to think that I'm dragging that yaktaur corpse over the storm dragon in front of him to gobble him down 00:44:29 Playtesting reveals their niche to be basically a fat Fo 00:45:02 grab a large shield, get 5 shields to offset and start tabbing with your glaive / great mace / great sword / battleaxe / whatever 00:45:02 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:45:34 it's the same design principle behind why HE and Ha are so strong - your optimal weapon is a one-handed one 00:45:56 ??doom checklist 00:45:57 doom checklist[1/1]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e473d029e917 00:46:13 <|amethyst> huh? 00:46:28 <|amethyst> how can they wield battleaxes one-handed? 00:46:59 <|amethyst> the weapon_def says NUM_SIZE_LEVELS for min_1h_size 00:46:59 because I messed with itemprop.cc 00:47:01 :) 00:47:25 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:47:29 NUM_SIZE_LEVELS is obviously one larger than SIZE_GIANT 00:47:33 so I just dropped them down to SIZE_GIANT 00:47:36 now they can wield them 1hed 00:47:54 It affects no-one else, except maybe you will see fire giants picking up shields 00:48:05 but hey, I'm cool with that 00:48:17 notably none of the end-tier weapons are 1hed 00:48:37 No (ridiculous) 1hed GSC or GC or triple / bardiche / executioner's 00:49:19 I also had to make hats, robes and cloaks SIZE_GIANT 00:49:33 and after debating back and forth gave shields SIZE_GIANT 00:49:37 even though it was asymmetrical 00:49:45 because I didn't want to special case SGFi to get large shields 00:49:49 which would be absolutely OP 00:49:54 no question about it 00:50:42 I find SGBe to be harder than MiBe or OgBe by a lot, actually 00:50:45 strange as that might seem 00:50:49 a lot less finicky though 00:50:53 (you don't have to manually eat) 00:51:26 But SGTm is by far the easiest and the most OP 00:51:33 hm 00:51:41 join Chei, pick up statue / dform, have 500hp ... 00:51:47 I mean, that's by lategame, but still 00:51:49 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:55 having d:7 100hp spider is pretty strong 00:52:06 and their apts are enablers 00:52:12 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest6033 00:52:14 |amethyst: opinion on reducing the magnitude of wild magic/subdued magic mutations? i've seen a lot of people saying that a single level of those can really wreck a character, which seems excessive for a 3-level mutation - surely it should take at least two levels to wreck your character! 00:52:37 right now they give +50% power & -7 percentage points fail chance, or vice versa, which seems like a lot for a single level of a mut. 00:52:55 Hurricos: what do their apts look like generally? 00:53:03 Generally positive. 00:53:17 sounds very strong 00:53:30 but, i mean, so does almost everything about them 00:53:31 -1 Dodge / Armour / Shields, -1 Evocation 00:53:43 They're deceptively weak due to their base EV of 2 00:53:45 Well he did start by saying that they were OP 00:54:08 -!- koboldina has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:54:09 he also says they're weaker than mi, which - obviously i haven't played them, but i'm skeptical. 00:54:20 Og are easier if you're casting no spells, and Mi can actually wear most armour :) 00:54:20 <|amethyst> that was for Be 00:54:34 For skaldy types I'd put SG around where Mf is right now 00:54:46 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:54:48 <|amethyst> I'd think Be doesn't benefit as much from generally-positive aptitudes, since Be doesn't use as many different skills 00:54:53 Right 00:54:58 fair 00:55:00 <|amethyst> and Og have those +3s 00:55:11 SG is basically +1 all relevant weapon apts, +2 axes. 00:55:24 what is with +2 axes? 00:55:26 -1 defensive apts, and (basically) +1 spell apts 00:55:35 I have no idea - it might be because SG are "related to IG" 00:55:40 IGs carry freezeaxes 00:55:44 lol 00:55:47 I should probably just flatten that out 00:55:51 plausible 00:55:53 there's no real difference 00:56:09 <|amethyst> Ice Giant isn't even a thing! 00:56:13 Of course not :P 00:56:16 That and uh 00:56:18 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:56:21 |amethyst: wow, cold... 00:56:23 it's a bad idea to play SG with shields and an axe 00:56:32 because shields have their gets-less-effective-with-more hits 00:56:38 uh 00:56:45 uh? 00:56:46 was that removed? 00:56:52 it doesn't really matter 00:56:58 -!- Guest6033 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:56:59 <|amethyst> playing with an axe doesn't mean you have to be surrounded 00:57:01 ^ 00:57:20 <|amethyst> nor does it mean you're better off surrounded than not surrounded 00:57:25 ^ 00:57:30 shield + battleaxe seems very strong. ref: formicid 00:57:34 <|amethyst> unless it's a vampiric axe 00:57:34 It actually is weird in SG's case 00:57:41 <|amethyst> then you might be better off surrounded 00:57:41 because they get devour 00:57:50 and you also have problems with fast enemies 00:57:57 how are they devouring 00:58:03 hydra devouring 00:58:04 is it a consuming darkness type of thing 00:58:06 effectively 00:58:08 No 00:58:13 it's literally eating their corpse 00:58:16 <|amethyst> nikheizen: they're big and they eat small things 00:58:17 SGs, aka Grue 00:58:21 small? 00:58:24 They eat anything smaller than them 00:58:28 <|amethyst> smaller than themselv 00:58:29 <|amethyst> yeah 00:58:39 which makes for a weird conversation when you realize you can't eat anything as a teensy tiny 400hp spider 00:58:40 That's disappointing 00:58:49 but it's good when you realize you don't accidentally eat that dragon 00:58:59 so you can get hide armour out of it 00:59:13 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re wild/subdued, no real opinion there; I've never felt like wild magic cut me off from spellcasting, but of course it does mean you lose the spells that were marginal 00:59:36 PleasingFungus: re wild/subdued, my opinion is that if it's really game ruining, cmut is common enough now 00:59:36 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:59:46 and it's gamebreaking on the right character 00:59:55 WM I on a DEWz ... 01:00:01 something to die for right there 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:13 Considering that WM does not count for enhancers 01:00:14 <|amethyst> I think PF's proposed change would help with that 01:00:27 What was the proposed change? 01:00:37 <|amethyst> cut the bonus and penalties approximately in half 01:00:42 <|amethyst> per level 01:00:51 <|amethyst> (level of the mut) 01:00:53 Yeah, I don't like that - Wild magic is as precious as evolution when you do get it 01:01:09 <|amethyst> ? 01:01:21 hurricos has persuaded me to make the change. 01:01:23 Most characters that are casting L6 spells who need the low casting rates are casters 01:01:27 Oh, rats 01:01:30 >:( 01:01:34 <|amethyst> It seems like you're saying "it's a really good mutation, better than most others" 01:01:41 It is, was the argument not "It's bad?" 01:02:34 You can just reduce the weighting - it's weighted 6 (!) 01:02:58 It's a 3-level mut. 01:03:03 <|amethyst> I don't really like "this is overpowered, make it rarer" 01:03:07 One level of a mut should not be game-breaking. 01:03:10 *of a 3-level mut 01:03:18 actually, scratch that correction 01:03:36 <|amethyst> well, a random mut 01:03:39 Yes, very much scratch that correction 01:03:44 teleportitis is gambreaking 01:03:47 <|amethyst> sacrifice artifice is fine where it is 01:04:04 It's not as gamebreaking as I make it out to be - early on it's just another enhancer at the cost of wizardry 01:04:16 and later on, you're a caster. 01:04:27 It's not as good as +6 int if your base int is 20 01:04:33 (more power, much less wiz) 01:04:44 <|amethyst> it seems like now you're trying to make whatever argument you think is most likely to keep it from changing 01:04:52 but it's overpowered where it is good 01:05:01 I think maybe it might be good to play with it and make it linearly scale? 01:05:10 not be an enhancer (which it never was?) 01:05:27 (when I say that, I mean that it was never counted for the enhancer cap) 01:05:31 <|amethyst> what do you mean by "linearly scale"? 01:05:34 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:05:38 <|amethyst> I thought it was currently linear 01:05:38 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1692-g516f9e9 (34) 01:05:50 <|amethyst> ??wild magic 01:05:50 wild magic[1/1]: see {wild magic card} or {wild magic mutation} 01:05:53 <|amethyst> ??wild magic mutation 01:05:53 It is not linear, it's multiplicative with prescale stepdown 01:05:53 wild magic mutation[1/1]: Reduces spell success but increases spell power by 50% per level (pre-stepdown, stacks with other enhancers). The success penalty is equal to half a negative ring of wizardry per level, so wearing a ring of wizardry with wild magic 2 gives you normal success rates but 2 enhancers worth of extra power. 01:05:56 err 01:05:57 presetepdown 01:06:04 constant, not linear 01:06:05 <|amethyst> so you want it to apply poststepdown? 01:06:07 that was my suggestion 01:06:07 <|amethyst> aha 01:06:11 I want to see like 01:06:23 WM1 gets +20 spell power flat 01:06:25 poststepdown 01:06:30 very useful on the chars it currently destroys 01:06:39 considering more and more Sk-y spells use sppower 01:07:06 that being said +20/+40/+60 seems a bit strong 01:07:35 and +10/+20/+30 a bit weak 01:08:14 would be hard to balance across the game 01:08:20 But the idea is to make it not so game-destroying on heavy armour skalds 01:08:26 since flat effects are going to be huge in the early game and irrelevant in extended 01:08:35 Right, but speaking of flat effects 01:08:51 regen is weighted 3 and is an extremely powerful d:1-10 mutation 01:08:58 -extremely- powerful 01:09:00 uhhh 01:09:02 half as good as "regen, which is an amulet slot 01:09:03 what, level 1 regen? 01:09:06 Yeah 01:09:11 If you have no other sources it's amazing 01:09:26 it's, what, 1hp every 5 turns? 01:09:30 it gives you 1 hp every 5 turns. 01:09:31 yes. 01:09:56 Tr regeneration is good, I don't know why you're denying why half of it is still good 01:10:03 -- and gets less-good as the game goes on 01:10:36 If you get WM1 and get a +10~20 sppow boost on D:1 you're going to have a very easy time 01:10:45 whether you're a Mi or DE 01:10:57 spell failure chance is gonna be much much more painful there, ofc. 01:11:11 Sort of 01:11:12 since mp is so limited and failure chances are already so high. 01:11:18 I understand. 01:11:26 But for Sk-y types it won't matter - just keep attacking 01:11:28 of course, that's arguing for your side, in some sense :) 01:11:39 and for mage types, ... just pillardance 01:12:04 it's not exactly hard to get book spells castable 01:12:11 even a MiFE starts out with 12% 01:12:22 so what is that after Wiz-, 24? 21? 01:12:35 I think a flat bonus would be OK 01:12:37 ??# 01:12:37 spell power[4/5]: Got bars (#)? You have at least 0, 10, 15, 25, 35, 50, 75, 100, 150, 200. 01:13:21 PF: I dont think flat values would necessarily be any more irrelevant than stepdown-ed % values later on since power is capped anyway 01:13:48 Right, but for the characters it's good on it's amazing on 01:14:02 DEWz with WM1 is basically a DEWz with a second torso and archmagi on that torso 01:14:12 and archmagi is, for the blaster, pretty much the best robe 01:14:24 well, "not any more" is probably too generous to flat values, but i dont think that scaling would be an issue 01:14:27 unless you find a +8 rF++ rC++ Clar Int+8 FDA 01:14:31 (jokes of course) 01:14:36 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:14:53 is Wz really the best example of a blaster? 01:14:58 FE 01:14:59 nope 01:15:10 I say Wz because DEWz is a better blaster if you find literally any blaster book 01:15:14 on d:1-10 01:15:16 nikheizen: idk what % of non-zig characters are hitting the actual cap 01:15:17 which you have good chances of 01:15:29 DE casters do it consistently 01:15:37 de are incredibly silly 01:15:40 3 enhancers and 37 int is not difficult to achieve with 36? base int 01:15:41 <|amethyst> DEWz with your proposed WM1 has magic dart at max power at the very beginning of the game 01:15:43 and also do not make up the entirety of casters in the game 01:15:47 bwahahahah 01:15:57 For what it's worth, I have played around with WM a lot 01:15:58 which is something that people forget about very often, I think 01:16:03 !lg comborobin dree won -log 01:16:04 1. comborobin, XL27 DrEE, T:90133: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/comborobin/morgue-comborobin-20151129-170557.txt 01:16:25 5314 | D:5 | Gained mutation: Your spells are harder to cast, but more powerful. [potion of beneficial mutation] 01:16:30 Yeah .... 01:16:36 I nearly oneshot myself with LRD 01:16:59 DrEE^chei hit ########.. power by, what, Lair:4? 01:17:23 It's extremely strong and it should be nerfed but I'd be sad to see it go 01:17:56 Some races get less out of it than others because of double stepdowns 01:17:59 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1693-gbb391d9: Weaken wild/subdued magic 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bb391d986771 01:18:03 Hurricos: I would too! 01:18:03 Vp are a good example 01:18:03 it's a cool mut 01:18:35 <|amethyst> double stepdowns? 01:18:43 A stepdown from fakepower to power 01:18:44 !whichgod tewr 01:18:45 3 recent wins: Gozag, Okawaru, Yredelemnul 01:18:46 and a stepdown from power to enchpower 01:19:00 <|amethyst> ? 01:19:03 Hexes don't get much out of extra enchantment 01:19:05 err 01:19:05 <|amethyst> oh 01:19:07 extra enhancers* 01:19:17 <|amethyst> you were talking about spell schools, not races 01:19:20 Yes, yes 01:19:21 <|amethyst> I was confused 01:19:26 Vp are well known to be the best En though 01:19:33 ... ok, the best HEXERS ... 01:19:46 better than Fe on account of their ability to actually use items 01:20:13 And they get very little out of wild magic 01:20:37 1) Many hexes are capped 2) many hexes are weird 3) monsters have fixed MR 4) enchantment power sucks 01:20:47 hm 01:20:51 agreed on points 1-3 01:20:57 well it's necessary 01:21:01 but it still sucks :( 01:21:27 but there's no ench power stepdown 01:21:29 that i'm aware of 01:21:43 Well, the means by which ench power is calculated 01:21:45 sucks 01:21:55 (why can't it just be spellpower?) 01:22:06 (Answer: Because many races have high int and hex apt) 01:22:19 (DE Vp Fe ...) 01:22:34 Hurricos: it seems like that would involve either multiplying monster MR (accomplishing nothing), or making you ram power caps even faster 01:23:03 You'd think so, but really all it's doing is letting better casters hex better 01:23:11 The real question is whether hexes need the buff 01:23:22 or whether we can deal with better casters, better hexes by just fixing a few isolated cases 01:23:23 down with power caps! let spells scale endlessly, like ADoM 01:23:34 like Discord getting artificial 134 power cap 01:23:39 what even is with that 01:23:41 127d33 magic dart 01:23:46 bwahahah 01:23:55 No, early spells getting caps make sense 01:23:59 but I'm talking about late spells getting caps 01:24:46 The context for the Discord / Control Undead 134 cap is that mass enchants get a 1.5x power boost 01:24:52 what is a natural power cap 01:25:04 is it a sort of mushroom 01:25:13 It's 1:30 AM. s/artificial/invisible 01:25:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I do see the point, though---the z screen shows it as being not maxed out at 150 power, even though it really is 01:26:06 no, i agree with that being bad 01:26:19 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:26:28 i wonder what would happen if you removed the 200 cap on ench power? 01:26:36 you mean spell power? 01:26:38 no 01:26:40 i do not 01:26:41 No spell ever gets near 200 ench power 01:26:50 I think 200 -> 110 or something 01:26:51 The context for the Discord / Control Undead 134 cap is that mass enchants get a 1.5x power boost 01:27:18 Removing that cap would bring 200 -> 300 -> something like 128 01:27:30 which means you could drive insane mummy priests just over half of the time 01:27:33 <|amethyst> where is this 200 -> 110 coming from in the case of mass confusion? 01:27:41 what's mass confusion 01:27:43 ??mass_confusion 01:27:43 mass confusion[1/2]: Level 6 Hexes. Tries to confuse all monsters in LOS. Unlike Alistairs, it works on the undead, poison resistant, and pretty much everyone else - but checks MR. 01:27:45 ugh 01:27:46 @??mummy priest 01:27:46 mummy priest (05M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 10 | HP: 53-77 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1094 | Sp: sum.demon [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], s.torment [11!AM], sum.undead [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:27:47 sequell you traitor 01:27:51 -!- eb_ has quit [] 01:27:54 huh, for some reason I thought they were MR-immune 01:27:57 no 01:27:59 they used to be 01:28:03 a whiel ago 01:28:11 huh 01:28:18 then we realized only L-tiles should be magic immune 01:28:18 except if they're the player 01:28:18 Could not execute monster-0.16: No such file or directory 01:28:18 %0.16?mummy priest 01:28:21 hrm 01:28:21 then they can't be. Because that's unfair 01:28:27