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I think some good points are raised there, and I like the idea of a crawl where resists are harder to come by. 10:22:41 One interesting proposal was to make all rings Fragile. 10:25:59 <|amethyst> I thought one of the complaints was inventory pressure 10:26:06 <|amethyst> leading to UI tedium 10:26:14 <|amethyst> making all rings fragile would increase inventory pressure 10:26:26 I thought it was more about UI tedium in the form of choosing rings to swap 10:26:33 <|amethyst> hm 10:26:36 since rings are the only slot that you have multiples of 10:26:44 but that's a fair point re: fragile rings 10:27:07 <|amethyst> I'd rather remove one ring slot 10:27:15 <|amethyst> and presumably remove octopodes as well 10:27:26 Deterioration on Dg 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10343 by Yermak 10:27:26 <|amethyst> if the problem is that you have to press an extra letter to swap 10:27:47 So maybe not that option, but there were a bunch of other good options, including removing slots, moving resistance rings to another inventory category (bracers? charms?), etc. 10:28:18 Octopodes do make the ring problem much more pronounced, and they also break =R, which makes things even worse, but I love octopodes and would hate to see them go. 10:28:27 <|amethyst> Moving them to another inventory category doesn't really help 10:28:29 At least with octopodes, you have to sign up for the problem 10:28:45 <|amethyst> unless you mean the player has one ring slot and one bracer slot 10:28:50 yeah, that's what I meant 10:29:09 but then you essentially force the player to have one slot dedicated to resistances 10:29:11 which I don't love 10:29:18 <|amethyst> and then they swap that slot all the time 10:29:21 yeah 10:29:27 <|amethyst> I personally don't have a problem with tactical swaps 10:30:03 <|amethyst> I get the impression that some of the people who do would be annoyed by anything that made you have to press keys other than hjklyubn during combat 10:30:43 <|amethyst> You swap rings maybe once or twice in a single combat... but you have to pick which spell to cast way more than that 10:30:51 |amethyst: I do think there are some who feel that way. For what it's worth, I'm happy to use more keys for pretty much everything, but I get irritated w/ ring swapping 10:31:06 I don't mind weapon swapping, rods, wands, spells, consumables, etc 10:31:10 I don't even mind eating 10:31:16 but I do mind ring swapping . . . 10:31:24 <|amethyst> because you have to press < or > ? 10:31:36 Gotta head to meeting, but I'd like to continue this discussion later 10:31:45 <|amethyst> maybe move all the ring resists to weapons 10:31:47 <|amethyst> later 10:32:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:35:14 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:35:58 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:39:45 -!- CacoS has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:44:49 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:52:09 -!- Dingbat__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06:46 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:09:41 -!- graymark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:18:52 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:22:59 -!- rkd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:23:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:24:08 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:24:13 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:27:00 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:45 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:30:46 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest93450 11:32:04 -!- friendfixit has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:34:59 -!- Guest93450 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:36:57 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:38:32 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:22 !tell pleasingfungus https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=265203#p265203 -- could this be related to your recent changes? 11:39:22 Lasty_: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:39:59 |amethyst: I think the thing that bugs me about ring swapping is that I (generally) have to do it every time a monster comes into view 11:40:15 well, not every time 11:40:24 But when I do it, it's mostly because a monster came into view 11:40:56 It's sort of like having to type "okay" when certain monsters come into view 11:42:37 |amethyst: moving ring resists to weapons is an interesting idea -- you can't fight the fire giant w/ your favored weapon 11:42:59 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:46:00 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:46:38 I am a little concerned that some people will do as minmay has suggested and switch to another body armor to get the resist they need (by first fleeing the combat). That's much more tedious, but it does at least have the cost of fighting in less-good armor. 11:51:03 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:54:46 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:55:51 ring swapping is annoying because you have to choose which ring to get rid of 11:56:07 honestly if all resists were on amulets and rings had the cool stuff and were never swapped 11:56:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:14 it would be better 11:56:18 -!- NotKat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:56:32 -!- NotKat_ is now known as NotKat 11:56:51 oh, except for ocotopodes 11:57:51 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:19 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:04:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:10:11 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:11:15 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:16:58 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:16:59 -!- Doesnt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:18:13 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:20:37 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:49 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:15 -!- Amadiro has quit [Excess Flood] 12:29:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:34:22 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:03 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39:45 -!- geekosaur has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:40:39 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:46 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:44:30 Rast: i often have one ring that is substantially better than the other, so i can inscribe it with =R and not have to hoose which one to swap out 12:44:30 amalloy: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:44:36 !messages 12:44:37 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1d 11h 30m 38s ago): goodbug: 8c105fbb made all spells boring (instant failure for all xom book creation) 12:44:46 amalloy, me too but iscribing is annoying 12:45:35 you have to google to figure out what the inscription is, because who memorizes that 12:46:04 i've never googled for that. it's in the manual 12:46:21 ?6 12:48:36 <|amethyst> we've almost eliminated prayer, and probably the remaining uses (joining a religion, fedhas decay) could move to a 12:48:55 <|amethyst> then we could make P affect the left ring slot and p the right 12:50:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:44 -!- Rast has left ##crawl-dev 12:50:50 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:53 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:56:25 -!- chance672 has quit [Client Quit] 12:58:03 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:03:21 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:03:42 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:03:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04:39 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:10:03 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:12:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:19 -!- Amadiro has quit [Excess Flood] 13:19:36 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:20:12 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:20:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:22:04 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:24:05 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:24:48 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:31:28 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest28242 13:35:25 -!- Guest28242 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:39:07 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:30 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:57:42 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:22 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:52 |amethyst: sanity check: do we really want *more* equipment manipulation commands that players need to learn>? 14:09:01 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1686-gff0e426: Fix IMB icon (10342) 10(42 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff0e42671168 14:09:05 -!- zxc has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:11:16 unrelated, but here's a complete list of spells xom finds 'boring' and won't put in generated randbooks: http://pastebin.com/rkdJPG6u 14:11:28 not really sure this functionality is worth preserving 14:11:47 is any player ever going to notice that xom doesn't give them cure poison or blink? 14:11:57 given the sheer rarity of xom randbook gifts to begin with... 14:13:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:15:37 it helps that there are fewer actually boring spells than there used to be 14:15:57 haha 14:16:00 insulation! 14:16:11 i think i'm just gonna toss this 14:17:58 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:18:20 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:18:27 !learn set mp[1] Cast spells with this. MP = max(23,XL) + skill + min(4, max(XL, skill) / 2, where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL + skill is that last 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matching quantities of skill. 14:18:28 mp[1/3]: Cast spells with this. MP = max(23,XL) + skill + min(4, max(XL, skill) / 2, where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL + skill is that last 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matching quantities of skill. 14:19:01 blink isn't even boring, xom! it's so exciting to try to blink away and instead just land on the other side of the monster 14:20:02 Lasty_: what 14:20:27 hm 14:21:07 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 14:21:27 What what? 14:21:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:21:54 that second sentence is very confusing to read 14:21:59 i'm thinking about how to rephrase it 14:22:13 !learn e mp[1 s/The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL + skill/Roughly, MP = XL + skill; the difference/ 14:22:14 No change: regex `The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL + skill` does not match `Cast spells with this. MP = max(23,XL) + skill + min(4, max(XL, skill) / 2, where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL + skill is that last 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matching quanti... 14:22:19 feh 14:22:29 -!- vasya_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1687-g8cb54b3: Make Xom gifts a little more random 10(5 minutes ago, 3 files, 2+ 47-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8cb54b3a5856 14:24:01 !lm Malevolent sif 14:24:02 No milestones for Malevolent (sif). 14:24:04 hrm 14:24:21 !learn edit mp[1] s/The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL + skill is that /Basically, MP = XL + skill, except that the/ 14:24:22 No change: regex `The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL + skill is that ` does not match `Cast spells with this. MP = max(23,XL) + skill + min(4, max(XL, skill) / 2, where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL + skill is that last 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matchi... 14:24:26 !lm Marenglen 14:24:27 389. [2016-04-04 14:21:05] Marenglen the Destroyer (L16 DrVM of Sif Muna) reached level 4 of the Swamp on turn 68915. (Swamp:4) 14:24:32 !lm Marenglen x=cv 14:24:32 389. [2016-04-04 14:21:05] [cv=0.18-a] Marenglen the Destroyer (L16 DrVM of Sif Muna) reached level 4 of the Swamp on turn 68915. (Swamp:4) 14:24:35 !learn edit mp[1] s/The difference between this and the simplified MP = XL \+ skill is that /Basically, MP = XL + skill, except that the/ 14:24:36 mp[1/3]: Cast spells with this. MP = max(23,XL) + skill + min(4, max(XL, skill) / 2, where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). Basically, MP = XL + skill, except that thelast 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matching quantities of skill. 14:24:47 hmmm 14:24:51 !learn edit mp[1] s/thelast/the last/ 14:24:51 mp[1/3]: Cast spells with this. MP = max(23,XL) + skill + min(4, max(XL, skill) / 2, where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). Basically, MP = XL + skill, except that the last 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matching quantities of skill. 14:27:41 better! 14:27:47 Lasty_: the randbook issue is almost certainly mine 14:27:49 i'm investigating 14:27:50 agreed, thanks for letting me know 14:27:58 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:27:58 thanks for looking into that 14:28:24 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:28:54 hey, it's my bug! probably 14:29:33 also, I think that the feature freeze should start in two weeks, release about two weeks after that 14:29:39 so feature freeze on the 18th 14:29:55 wow, huh, this is busted as hell 14:29:56 !learn edit mp[1] s/max\(23,XL\)/min(23, XL)/ 14:29:56 mp[1/3]: Cast spells with this. MP = min(23, XL) + skill + min(4, max(XL, skill) / 2, where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). Basically, MP = XL + skill, except that the last 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matching quantities of skill. 14:30:15 woo, looking forward to release 14:30:20 I wanna merge in Ukayaw :p 14:31:17 haha 14:31:31 maybe i'll finally get around to working on H during feature freeze 14:32:04 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:14 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest42655 14:32:49 huh 14:32:51 fun fact 14:32:58 auto foo : bar is not the same as auto &foo : bar 14:34:13 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 14:34:23 well the former does a copy, the latter doesn't? 14:34:32 it's kind of like with normal assignment 14:35:22 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1688-g1256631: Fix book acquirement (Malevolent, Lasty) 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1256631a8899 14:35:35 Zaba: yes, I know 14:35:56 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:14 Zaba: see that last commit ^ 14:36:27 just carelessness on my part 14:36:27 -!- Guest42655 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:36:43 hrm, git doesn't really give enough context 14:37:06 you can ask github for more context, conveniently enough 14:37:17 view file, or? 14:37:26 oh neat 14:37:35 the little weird symbols above/below the linenumbers 14:37:35 just click on the gutter above/below the line numbers 14:37:38 yeah 14:38:35 whoa 14:38:42 i had no idea 14:38:59 anyway, line 1142 wasn't doing very much... 14:39:09 yeah 14:40:07 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:40:47 -!- Mattias has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:17 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:42:12 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 14:42:20 Do we have any developers interested in VR? I just saw there was an oculus rift title out there in the crawler genre... ( http://www.dreadhalls.com/ ) Since webtiles was made, isn't it possible to make a VR implementation as well? If so, where would I start? 14:42:45 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:04 I was thinking JanusVR and implement it in there somehow 14:46:47 i'm not sure crawl is a great fit for vr. could be a fun experiment, though 14:47:32 there was at least one other person hooking their own engine off webtiles, over the last couple of weeks, so you wouldn't be the first in that 14:48:37 have you looked at the existing webtiles code at all? 14:49:21 MarvinPA: any opinion on apr. 18th feature freeze? also, unrelated, but want to see something slightly funny? 14:49:53 sounds reasonable, and sure 14:51:10 i'm hoping to get some more description updates done but those can go in whenever anyway, i think the main big thing to decide would be whether pakellas is ready for stable? (imo not yet) 14:52:28 PleasingFungus, Take an example from a tower defense game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYVI74Ocjtg 14:52:39 PleasingFungus, I haven't actually, but probably will take a look at the code 14:53:12 Mattias: i mean, defense grid has the advantage of being a 3d game, built to be viewed in 3d 14:53:27 crawl has actually been ported into 3d before, but it's a weird look for the game 14:53:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:01 MarvinPA: imo get together with grunt and talk that out some time, i asked him about it after the last time i heard your/elliptic's concerns and he seemed pretty happy with the god 14:54:10 i'm undecided 14:54:13 myself 14:54:46 Yeah, but the data is there, just need some nice models and parts for the dungeons 14:54:59 Then map it and have a VR view from above 14:55:09 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:55:13 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:55:22 with "HUD" like info boxes 14:55:33 MarvinPA: the funny thing is: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc#L3030 , https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/xom.h#L85 14:55:43 I was thinking of playing webtiles in a VR webbrowser 14:55:44 Mattias: ah, you're thinking more of a top-down, almost tabletop sort of view? 14:55:45 i still think it's just not a fundamentally good design currently, gifting is sort of boring generally and gifting that's focused on a whole load of really strong items kinda makes that worse 14:55:55 PleasingFungus, yes! 14:55:55 it would be amazing 14:55:57 ahhh 14:56:05 the old 3d dcss was first-person 14:56:09 which obviously is much stranger 14:56:17 yeah, I don't like that too much 14:56:32 But having it look like a living tabletop game! 14:56:40 VR makes it possible 14:56:52 how does hjklyubn translate into top-down VR? it seems like it would be weird 14:56:54 Mattias: how much detail are you thinking of wrt models? crawl has many hundreds of monsters; it's enough that i'm not aware of any alternate tilesheets, and model sets would be much more work 14:57:22 yeah, that's the problem. I don't think it could be done in a day or so :P 14:57:25 PleasingFungus: i don't get it :( 14:57:33 or just the commands in general 14:57:35 models, textures, (animations or freeze models?) 14:57:45 oh wait there are two links there 14:57:46 excellent 14:57:48 the commands would be the same, keyboard 14:57:56 MarvinPA: i'm currently doing archaeology to figure out when this got broken 14:58:01 or if it was ever right 14:58:10 Maybe have a keyboard representation below the "tabletop" since you can't see through the VR HMD 14:58:25 -!- NotKat has quit [Quit: This is boring] 14:58:31 Not that it would help (I don't really care, I don't look at the keyboard and I have blank keys :P ) 14:59:10 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:59:35 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:55 Have to look into "VR browsers" some more and see what is possible to do 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:07 I still want it playable just like how webtiles works 15:02:41 Mattias: i think amalloy's question is, if you can move around the game to get a different perspective, how can you tell which way the direction keys will move you? 15:04:08 %git 20a6609453ee2b51c388c296516c1abc1beab1d2 15:04:08 07greensnark02 * 0.3-a0-303-g20a6609: Preliminary integration of Zooko's Xom patch (untested). 10(9 years ago, 50 files, 1704+ 847-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/20a6609453ee 15:04:17 MarvinPA: I *think* it broke here 15:04:25 wow excellent 15:04:37 i remember tracking some xom bug or other down to that very commit a while back 15:05:24 "untested" 15:05:36 :') 15:06:09 PleasingFungus, Yeah, I'll have to see how other games have solved that for the rift now 15:06:13 My rift arrives in june 15:06:42 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1689-g473dde0: Make the deterioration mutation conflict with innate SustAt (#10343) 10(4 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/473dde0e1c06 15:06:51 oh 15:06:52 hrm 15:06:54 aactualy 15:06:58 MarvinPA: i might be the clown here 15:07:07 static inline int xom_acts(int sever, int tension = -1) 15:07:29 ahh 15:07:37 ah well! would've been a goodbug 15:08:25 Am I blind or is webtile not part of the crawl repository on github? 15:10:02 amalloy, maybe up is always "up" so even if you walk around to the "other side" you could have some kind of indication on the hud which way is up. But I'll take a look at how other games does it 15:10:23 There is a VR RTS game out, I wonder how it works at all with game controls. 15:10:35 (AirMech: Command) 15:10:53 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:00 most of the webtiles code is in the crawl-ref/source/webserver/ directory 15:14:05 Mattias: crawl-ref/source/webserver 15:14:07 ack 15:14:17 wheals: apr 18 feature freeze 15:14:19 ;) 15:19:43 !source xom.cc:3499 15:19:43 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/xom.cc#l3499 15:19:47 this if/else is art 15:20:08 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: zzzZZZzzz] 15:24:59 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:26:22 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:27:22 -!- Serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:28:29 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:35:40 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:00 Mattias: bgiannan is the one who's been working on hooking their own engine up to webtiles, btw 15:36:07 so you might want to talk to them and see what they've found helpful 15:36:12 i've never hooked up an engine to webtiles, so :) 15:38:49 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:41:18 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:42:19 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:48:43 -!- Alarkh has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:49:22 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:49:39 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:52:13 -!- vasya_ has quit [] 15:55:37 -!- tsn has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:55:49 Thanks, will take a closer look at this tomorrow. 15:55:55 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest37297 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:08 -!- Guest37297 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:00:38 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 16:07:11 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:37 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:10:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:11:53 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:52 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:09 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:25:30 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:26:06 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:29:29 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:32:00 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:04 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:12 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:40:38 hrm, i can't figure how to search for "^p" to figure out what it is 16:41:28 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:29 The build has errored. (master - 1256631 #5203 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/120696930 16:41:29 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:41:39 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:42:18 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:43:20 I have a dumb suggestion 16:43:32 Ru sacrifices should probably tell you how much the sacrifice will be worth, so you can better make the decision 16:45:10 it does that 16:45:42 oh what 16:45:46 I must have missed it, where does it say? 16:47:08 y’all have any idea what ended up happening to Piginabag’s crazy Ds^Gozag? 16:48:11 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:48:52 G-Flex: when you press aG to sacrifice whatever 16:49:08 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:49:18 it asks if you're sure, and tells you (a) that it's significant/minor/whatever, and also, i think, (b) roughly how much piety you will have after the sac 16:50:03 is there a wizmode command to get a god gift? it's kinda annoying to test ru offering you a sacrifice 16:51:03 -!- serQ has quit [Quit: ... und weg ...] 16:52:59 &- 16:53:46 thanks 16:53:56 G-Flex: Ru believes you are ready to make a new sacrifice. Ru asks you to sacrifice your Dodging skill. This is an incredible sacrifice. Piety after sacrifice: ***... Do you really want to make this sacrifice? 16:54:58 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:25 i wonder if we still need the adjectives now it just displays the actual piety gain 16:55:42 seems like it just makes the message unnecessarily longer, maybe 16:57:27 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59:42 it's a little flavourful 16:59:44 it seems like it might give more information about sub-* levels of piety gain 16:59:49 that too 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:21 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:30 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 19:39:08 #define XOM_SPEECH(x) x 19:41:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:41:35 PleasingFungus: i found the problem: it should be #define XOM_SPEECH(x) (x) 19:41:58 :( 19:42:06 why did i ever dare to tamper with xomcode. 19:42:11 foolish, arrogant I! 19:42:41 -!- advil has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44:09 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:44:42 -!- Athaboros has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:44:47 is there a way to place clouds in wizmode? 19:45:41 yes, foolish, arrogant, PleasingFungus 19:45:44 Xom roars in laughter! 19:47:52 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:51:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:00 i don't think so, advil 19:52:30 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:52:38 I got some by placing a vault 19:52:42 now I just need a better vault 19:55:02 lemuel_flamethrower_3 will do the trick 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:10 fr: a way to place clouds in wizmode 20:01:37 to make wizmode cloud art 20:01:50 (& test qazlal) 20:02:29 -!- jon` has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:02:32 !learn set mp[1] Cast spells with this. MP = min(23, XL) + skill + min(4, min(XL, skill) / 2), where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). Basically, MP = XL + skill, except that the last 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matching quantities of skill. 20:02:32 mp[1/3]: Cast spells with this. MP = min(23, XL) + skill + min(4, min(XL, skill) / 2), where skill = max(Spellcasting, Evo/2, Invo/2). Basically, MP = XL + skill, except that the last 4 XL's mp points effectively get distributed over the first 8 XL, but only if you have matching quantities of skill. 20:03:49 i can read that! 20:03:58 and i'm functionally illiterate (c.f.: crawlcode) 20:04:05 haha 20:04:34 Whereas my problem is that I keep switching min() and max() 20:05:06 hm, clang isn't clever enough to suggest that I meant XOM_BAD_MISCAST_MAJOR instead of XOM_BAD_MAJOR_MISCAST 20:05:08 pity 20:05:45 I've been assuming that if qazlal's elemental adaptation triggers on some element, it should reduce the damage from that event...is that reasonable? 20:05:54 I ask because it was a bit random before 20:07:32 Lasty: the old ??mp[1] was way more readable to me 20:08:06 amalloy: but it was wrong 20:08:19 dang 20:08:36 amalloy: but if you think the legibility could be improved, I encourage you to change it :) 20:08:43 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/251 * 0.18-a0-1686-g6c9e387: Fix elemental exposure from clouds 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6c9e387ea73f 20:09:58 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:59 advil: i think the idea is that it only affects later impacts? 20:10:07 like, it's only useful if you're repeatedly getting hit by the same thing? 20:10:11 hence adaptation 20:10:16 oh...if that's so I should undo some of this 20:10:17 that's just my vague recollection 20:10:19 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:10:19 haha 20:10:27 in some cases it was triggering before, in some cases after 20:10:31 nice 20:10:52 I guess grunt would be the one who knows? 20:11:04 ya 20:11:07 he's dead tho 20:11:19 -!- PleasingFungus is now known as Grnt 20:11:21 !seen Grnt 20:11:21 Sorry Grnt, that person is dead. 20:11:28 -!- Grnt is now known as PleasingFungus 20:11:36 see? 20:11:41 very convincing 20:12:07 (: 20:13:08 when was qazlal introduced? 20:13:23 ??qazlal 20:13:23 qazlal[1/8]: The violent god of natural disasters. Gives SH, temporary resists, RMsl, and clouds surrounding you in a small radius (and immunity to all friendly clouds). See also {upheaval}, {disaster area}, and {elemental force}. 20:13:36 0.15 20:14:06 ah right I remember playing him in that tournament 20:14:55 ??qazlal[0\.1 20:14:56 I don't have a page labeled qazlal[0\.1 in my learndb. 20:15:01 ??qazlal[0.1 20:15:01 I don't have a page labeled qazlal[0.1 in my learndb. 20:15:03 dang 20:15:12 ??0[.]15 20:15:13 I don't have a page labeled 0[.]15 in my learndb. 20:15:16 hm 20:15:18 ??0.15 20:15:18 I don't have a page labeled 0.15 in my learndb. Did you mean: 0.17, 0.18. 20:15:21 ??0.17 20:15:21 0.17[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:0.17_plan 20:18:22 -!- Guest88372 is now known as debo 20:20:34 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 20:24:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:24:41 I can't figure out the intent...I did find some old sprunges but in the initial patch it was dependent on wherever expose_to_element was already called 20:27:27 i would suspect that grunt, like most people, did not fully understand expose_to_element. 20:27:33 haha 20:28:10 which leads to another question I have: in the course of working on this I have gained a lot of knowledge (more than I knew I would gain) on how elemental stuff works in crawl 20:28:21 is there a place in the code documentation where something like this would go? 20:29:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:42:49 is it something that would fit reasonably into the doxygen comments we put at the top of some functions, or is it something broader? 20:43:01 well I have some broader notes 20:43:05 maybe they are only useful for me 20:43:19 no, it does sound useful 20:43:21 hrm 20:43:36 possibly stick them in a header file somewhere - e.g. fight.h? 20:44:24 !tell grunt do you remember if elemental adaptation is supposed to affect damage on the hit that triggers it? 20:44:24 advil: OK, I'll let grunt know. 20:44:36 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:44:44 apparently people in this channel don't actually use the phrase "elemental adaptation" 20:44:49 -!- Evablue has quit [Client Quit] 20:45:30 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:35 PleasingFungus: ok, I'll look around and see if there's a good place 20:47:49 though maybe I'll need to spend some time editing this first 20:52:39 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:34 -!- Zargon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:07:40 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:08:03 -!- iafm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:09:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:11:30 -!- techieAgnostic has quit [Client Quit] 21:23:34 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:34:48 -!- NotKat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:35:11 -!- NotMattias is now known as NotKat 21:40:52 03advil02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/251 * 0.18-a0-1687-g94fb4f2: Melt on later turns of sticky flame 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/94fb4f2cadac 21:41:38 I realize I would have looked a lot more competent if I'd figured out all these special cases _before_ submitting a PR 21:42:36 -!- NotKat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:43:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:45:17 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:46:02 but then you'd make us look bad by comparison 21:50:26 :) 21:51:49 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:04 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:55:05 i always look good. 21:55:06 -!- jefus- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:08 it's my superpower. 21:57:45 -!- jefus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:40 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:41 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:05:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:08:15 ??icemail 22:08:15 icy envelope[1/1]: The 3rd level mutation for the demonspawn tier 2 ice facet. You get +10 AC, but it goes away when you are hit by fire and then comes back ~30 turns later. 22:09:26 New branch created: xomreform (3 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/xomreform 22:09:27 03PleasingFungus02 07[xomreform] * 0.18-a0-1689-g730e770: Rewrite xom actions 10(4 hours ago, 2 files, 1114+ 1115-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/730e7700a8ff 22:09:27 03PleasingFungus02 07[xomreform] * 0.18-a0-1690-g3f3dca1: Deduplicate _xom_effect_to_name() 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f3dca1c71bd 22:09:27 03PleasingFungus02 07[xomreform] * 0.18-a0-1691-g7c74603: Allow requesting specific xom actions in wizmode 10(2 minutes ago, 5 files, 71+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c746036bd7f 22:09:37 ^ code review requested but not expected 22:14:55 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:18:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:22:31 you fool 22:22:48 in wizmode xom might be the best god now! 22:22:57 er.... 22:23:15 \joke 22:23:42 not all jokes are good :( 22:28:54 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:31:03 haha, i get jokes! 22:31:05 =p 22:33:38 really? how? 22:38:50 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:05 ??crystal bolt 22:39:05 crystal guardian[1/1]: Replaces crystal golems in 0.14. Has less HP, but is now speed 10. Able to cast bolt of crystal, which does 3d25 which is randomly resistable by either rF or rC, determined per-bolt, and can bounce off of any wall type. 22:41:25 simpsons reference 22:46:04 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:47:24 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:47:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:22 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:50:30 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:54 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 22:53:45 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:54:03 !learn edit dragon's_call[1] s/0.14+: // 22:54:04 No change: regex `0.14+: ` does not match `0.14+: Gives a status which temporarily summons dragons all around you, attacking random hostiles. Each dragon costs 2 or 3 MP, and the rate of summoning slows when you have a lot of dragons active. Has a 150-250 aut cooldown.` 22:54:04 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:54:17 !learn edit dragon's_call[1] s/0.14\+: // 22:54:17 dragon's call[1/1]: Gives a status which temporarily summons dragons all around you, attacking random hostiles. Each dragon costs 2 or 3 MP, and the rate of summoning slows when you have a lot of dragons active. Has a 150-250 aut cooldown. 22:54:28 !escape gammafunk 22:58:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:59:36 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11:52 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:12:58 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:14:06 !seen gammafunk 23:14:06 I last saw gammafunk at Tue Apr 5 02:54:16 2016 UTC (19m 50s ago) saying '!learn edit dragon's_call[1] s/0.14\+: //' on ##crawl-dev. 23:14:56 !seen |amethyst 23:14:56 I last saw |amethyst at Mon Apr 4 16:48:55 2016 UTC (10h 26m 1s ago) saying 'then we could make P affect the left ring slot and p the right' on ##crawl-dev. 23:15:06 <|amethyst> yo 23:15:17 PleasingFungus: It was a comment on how someone mentioned Xom would be hilariously overpowered 23:15:23 If you had any control on his abilities 23:15:33 |amethyst: are the cao scoring pages still dead? 23:15:39 Lightli: ahh, references... 23:15:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yes 23:16:01 what's the current blocker there? i'm trying to communicate with the restive masses. 23:16:08 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I fixed all the problems I found in the data files, but still problems importing 23:16:09 -!- Epakai has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:16:12 sooth them, lovingly, like a rancher with his stock. 23:16:15 *soothe 23:16:16 <|amethyst> and I don't know the code 23:16:18 huh 23:16:21 <|amethyst> and haven't seen snark around 23:16:24 <|amethyst> !seen greensnark 23:16:24 I last saw greensnark at Fri Mar 4 16:56:50 2016 UTC (4w 3d 10h 19m 33s ago) saying 'The NH model of hide-in-cave-and-hack-for-years doesn't really work' on ##crawl-dev. 23:16:30 rip 23:16:33 probably hiding in a cave 23:16:36 <|amethyst> heh 23:17:50 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 23:17:55 <|amethyst> hmm 23:18:22 <|amethyst> let me try a quick fix 23:18:32 <|amethyst> probably this will just break elsewhere but 23:18:39 ganbatte! 23:18:44 <|amethyst> the error was 23:18:44 <|amethyst> File "/home/rax/scoring/scload.py", line 659, in is_selected 23:18:45 <|amethyst> return game['v'] >= OLDEST_VERSION 23:18:52 <|amethyst> KeyError: 'v' 23:18:56 <|amethyst> (because of a bad line) 23:18:59 !seen rax 23:18:59 I last saw rax at Fri Mar 18 08:34:46 2016 UTC (2w 3d 18h 44m 12s ago) joining the channel. 23:19:11 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:12 <|amethyst> I'm going to try changing that to return 'v' in game and game['v'] >= OLDEST_VERSION 23:19:15 don't suppose r*x would know this code? 23:19:30 <|amethyst> doubtful 23:19:40 was just contemplating the filepath 23:19:48 <|amethyst> ah 23:19:57 <|amethyst> it's under their account on CAO 23:20:18 <|amethyst> but I think I've messed with the code more than anyone except snark :/ 23:20:45 <|amethyst> okay, dropping the tables to try again 23:21:42 <|amethyst> it'll take 19 hours to find out whether it worked 23:22:10 <|amethyst> well, 19 hours after it finishes dropping the tables 23:23:19 <|amethyst> ok, import running again 23:23:19 There's Got To Be A Better Way 23:23:28 what we need here is a beowulf cluster. 23:23:30 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:24:34 -!- Alter-Ego is now known as AltReality 23:25:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1690-g923927f: Rewrite xom actions 10(5 hours ago, 2 files, 1114+ 1115-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/923927f4bf9b 23:25:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1691-gb839814: Deduplicate _xom_effect_to_name() 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 12+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b839814a2253 23:25:00 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1692-g516f9e9: Allow requesting specific xom actions in wizmode 10(78 minutes ago, 5 files, 71+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/516f9e99d469 23:29:48 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:37:25 -!- miek_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:39:03 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:43:08 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 23:44:15 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:00 hrm 23:46:17 this has a bigger impact on xom action rates than i expected 23:47:07 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:54:38 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:56:04 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:56:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]