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Use !messages to read it. 01:18:49 !messages 01:18:50 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (1d 13h 37m 53s ago): wrt sniper - were you aware that automatic_hit also bypasses shields? 01:19:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:19:51 -!- regret-index has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:19:54 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1670-gb40d73e (34) 01:20:03 I'm compiling and playtesting my first race :D 01:20:33 Well, compiling first 01:20:46 It took a surprisingly short time to code .. under an hour 01:20:48 kind of weird 01:20:58 Will take some tweaking to get Bestial Expression working correctly, though 01:21:24 I feel bad making monkeys more dextrous than Spriggans, though 01:23:02 Oh man, it compiles first try *_* watch it be full of RTEs 01:26:08 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:27:27 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:28:39 Oh man 01:28:43 it has to compile all over again? 01:28:50 RIP dreams of testing out Simians tonight 01:28:54 monkeys are clearly more dextrous than spriggans 01:28:57 I'm gonna go get myself a drink ... 01:29:04 when was the last time you saw a spriggan haul ass up a tree? 01:29:04 I'm glad to hear you think so 01:29:15 Bwahahaha 01:29:34 I think I might be making Si op but playtesting will tell 01:29:43 +4 tmut +1 UC fast movement 01:29:56 shaggy fur and a mutation that makes half of all mutations, good, bad, god given, jiyva whatever 01:30:08 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:30:11 be facet mutations (horns / talons / claws / teeth) 01:30:26 that might be a bit much 01:30:27 but hey 01:30:32 never know till you see 01:30:40 they get gimped with -2 hp and -2 armour apt and 0 exp apt 01:30:50 but they're basically godly TMs 01:30:52 so we'll see 01:31:02 i kind of figured low hp had to be part of the mix 01:31:07 Aye 01:31:20 i mean, otherwise it'd be some sort of super monkey 01:31:32 03Martin Kennedy02 07* 0.18-a0-1650-geb25339: Make unrand Sniper never miss. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb253392a859 01:31:32 03Martin Kennedy02 07* 0.18-a0-1651-g95c8865: Reduced Sniper's enchantment from +15 to +10 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/95c8865bf4c8 01:31:32 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1673-gaded821: Merge pull request #250 from Hurricos/true_sniper 10(8 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aded821ddbe1 01:31:37 the other thing is that if you pick up enough mutations you lose gloves / boots / helmet or even hat 01:31:40 But the idea is that it ba 01:31:41 OH MY GOD 01:31:45 IT'S A THING 01:31:47 IT'S A THING 01:31:51 MY FIRST DEVELOPER CONTRIBUTION 01:31:58 good evening, PF :) 01:33:48 Oh man ... does mutation.cc compile? 01:34:37 ....sniper never misses now? 01:34:44 aye 01:34:57 also it didn't compile because I accidentally deleted a character 01:35:00 how ... 01:35:04 ironic 01:36:15 noooo 01:36:26 I AM SWEATING PROFUSELY AWAITING THE FINAL COMPILATION OF THIS PIECE OF CODE IN ORDER SO THAT I MAY PLAY MONKEY GAMES 01:36:43 ProzacElf: Wait, was there a problem with Sniper always hitting? 01:36:49 not that i'd really noticed 01:36:59 Eh, I just felt that it was so slow that it deserved it 01:37:01 but then again i've probably only really used it once or twice 01:37:13 it's now on par with a triple crossbow -maybe-, with significant advantages against certain monsters 01:37:26 Daevas, Ereshkigal, Spriggan air magi, Kirke 01:37:30 Blademasters 01:37:32 yeah, i suppose so 01:37:35 those kinds of dudes 01:37:45 i was just dumb enough to stand next to a couple of death yaks shooting it 01:37:56 forgetting that they'd each get two shots at me while i reloaded XD 01:37:58 oh man :| 01:38:02 that hurts yeah 01:38:17 heh, it worked great up until that point though 01:38:42 It's a good crossbow, it's just also bad in some other ways 01:40:01 which is fair. most unrands aren't just unambiguously good 01:40:54 It's slow as balls 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I didn't even try. 10:19:54 thats too bad 10:19:55 pleasingfungus made an april 1st branch, not i 10:19:55 I think wheals was aiming for CXC 10:20:06 wheals: didn't you make the "chaos" branch? 10:20:08 well i started work on pizza tornado but got too busy 10:20:10 no PF did 10:20:12 oh 10:20:14 huh 10:20:24 Sorry, dunno how I got that mistaken 10:20:24 i just suggested to Medar he put it up 10:20:28 oh ah 10:20:31 that's probably how 10:20:37 after PF suggested to a few other admins in the channel 10:20:37 yeahj 10:20:59 I have no idea what Grunt's plans were for the Farmer branch 10:21:10 all I know is that making the scythes cursed wasn't trivial :p 10:26:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:28:27 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 10:29:31 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:33:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:34:39 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:37:20 <|amethyst> BTW, re sniper 10:37:40 <|amethyst> FR: show it as +10,+∞ 10:37:44 <|amethyst> err 10:37:48 <|amethyst> other way around rather 10:38:26 <|amethyst> the Axe of Woe is already precedent for +∞ 10:39:08 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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'nevermiss'...? no.) 11:42:57 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:43:01 !seen lasty 11:43:01 I last saw Lasty at Fri Apr 1 12:55:28 2016 UTC (2h 47m 33s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Leaving.'. 11:43:41 Lasty_: sounds like sort of a niche case 11:43:43 ikd 11:43:44 *idk 11:45:42 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:48:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 11:48:20 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:48:52 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:51:38 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:52:14 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:40 INSCRIP: hitscan 11:57:51 haha 11:57:56 !tell lasty testing it just now, using sniper with 0 skill is reasonably useful in lair, questionable in vaults, a very bad idea in depths (extremely poor risk/return ratio). 11:57:56 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 11:59:11 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:40 !tell lasty testing without the autohit (and with the +15 enchant), this doesn't seem to be a major difference 12:03:40 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 12:04:26 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:06:46 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:10:08 actually, shit, i'm an idiot. hurricos didn't bother to add anything to the description, did he. 12:10:11 why did i merge that pr. 12:11:10 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:29 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:41 history's greatest monster. 12:19:32 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the merge button is a memetic virus whose alluring purple shade overrides the decision-making centre of the brain, leading unwary dev teams to their doom 12:19:39 isn't it green 12:19:58 <|amethyst> maybe it is 12:20:05 <|amethyst> I can't see it through my Danger Glasses 12:20:15 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:20:37 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1674-g5b64ef8: Sniper fixups 10(51 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5b64ef80ddbc 12:20:46 <|amethyst> explanation of the merge button and effect on devs: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XuKjBIBBAL8 12:21:05 <|amethyst> maybe skip to 0:22 12:21:18 too late, i'm listening to attenborough's soothing voice. 12:22:45 cordyceps is so mainstream these days, anyway. 12:22:55 <|amethyst> metarhizium is the new hotness 12:23:27 ! 12:24:18 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:25:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:27:39 <|amethyst> (FR: potion of fungal pheromone mating factor) 12:28:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:51 erp! 12:29:26 <|amethyst> I think that might already exist in Hydra Slayer 12:30:58 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:02 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:40 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 12:38:16 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:44 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Client Quit] 12:44:19 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 12:44:20 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:44:42 -!- orionstein has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46:59 -!- Guest50532 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:47:47 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:48:06 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:43 // Being next to open space is bad for players, who thrive in crannies // and nooks, like the vermin they are. 12:52:36 you're welcome 12:52:57 %git aca30ba6 12:52:57 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1066-gaca30ba: Refactor _throw_site_score() 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 17+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aca30ba679a0 12:54:46 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:56:47 -!- heteroy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:14 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:40 clearly, summon vermin needs player illusions- 13:10:01 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Client Quit] 13:10:51 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:11:52 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:16:46 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:17:00 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:21:14 -!- West1C has quit [] 13:21:43 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:28 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:38:13 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:41:03 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:16 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:49:01 i wonder how sniper interacts with bolts of penetration 13:51:16 PleasingFungus: did you get chaoscrawl going in time for april 1? 13:51:34 i mean, it's done 13:51:44 but no one took it 13:51:49 so it's just gonna kinda sit there, sadly 13:51:52 boo 13:51:58 ya rip. 13:51:59 make it an rcfile option 13:52:04 haha 13:52:16 wheals: hits everything 13:52:22 op, much as penetration bolts generally are 13:52:23 cool 13:56:31 -!- glaas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 13:56:57 All real pranksters know that the real pranking day is April 2nd. 13:59:03 how does it interact with mon_glyph settings, out of interest? do they just automatically get based on whatever the monster was reassigned to? 14:00:02 probably. it's a very simple hack - it just tinkers with monster_info 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:12 to shuffle the type/base_type of monster_info 14:00:19 and everything else flows from that automatically 14:00:28 aha 14:00:52 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:01:05 i did compile it to take a look but it was printing debug messages nonstop so i gave up pretty fast 14:01:11 sorry 14:01:16 i think I removed those in the current build 14:01:28 except for one big dump at the start so i could look up a mapping 14:02:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1675-gc8d7b0c: Remove a spammy dprf 10(31 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c8d7b0cdcc2d 14:02:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1676-gbd5c623: Remove draco_type 10(31 minutes ago, 6 files, 20+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bd5c6233aae6 14:02:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1677-g2bdad6c: Deduplicate monster_info hydra checks 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 11+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2bdad6c4d3e4 14:10:05 -!- FunkyBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:10:06 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:11:16 PleasingFungus: I may try recycling some of that code for a Ru sacrifice -- I'd been considering a sacrifice that makes all monsters show as "a monster" 14:11:38 you mentioned that, yeah 14:11:47 idk about the idea - people would describe it as 'interface screw', with justification 14:12:15 i think that was an old idea for blurry vision mut too (active only when they're a certain distance away from you) 14:12:26 like, consider what good play would look like. keep track of what each monster does and how they move... 14:12:33 PleasingFungus: I'm not sure it is an interface screw, since (unless I'm failing to consider something) there wouldn't be a way to cheat the interface 14:12:36 but yeah, not sure how good an idea it really is 14:12:58 right, having to track what monsters are once you figure it out is the problem 14:13:05 obviously, the answer is portal vault 14:13:17 Aside from whether or not it's an interface screw, I think it would be far and away the biggest sacrifice, changing the game dramatically 14:13:33 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:14:15 sure 14:16:00 oh, did you see the sac courage bug? 14:16:07 it seems like it has the same problems that led to mislead being removed. i guess slightly less so since it doesn't have the issue of tracking monsters that you saw clearly before the effect triggered, but you still have to do that as soon as they do something that identifies them 14:16:39 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:17:20 It might be that there would be ways of handling interface screw elements: clearly labeling the monsters with names or colors that disappear after leaving LOS (or something alone those lines). Leaving aside the difficulty level, another interface solution could be to not show monsters at all -- basically treat them as always-invisible according to normal invis rules except that halo and sInv wouldn't reveal them. 14:17:30 Not saying these are great ideas, just talking it out. 14:17:33 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:18:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:18:49 Mislead had several problems this idea doesn't: 1) it's a temporary effect, encouraging you to know where everything is before it starts; 2) it's a shifting effect, actively trying to re-randomize each turn 14:19:52 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:20:45 ...? 14:20:53 i don't know that there's a way to fix the fundamental issue where you the player know 100% what a monster is, but the game doesn't display that 14:20:55 I... don't _remember_ it randomizing each turn 14:21:06 * regret-index shrugs. 14:21:49 they were not randomized every turn 14:21:52 just looked up the code 14:22:38 git log -S mislead_as for details 14:23:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:24:03 PleasingFungus: oh, I must have been thinking of Nethack 14:24:12 plausible! 14:24:17 probably something you've encountered more recently :) 14:24:24 Actually, no :) 14:24:29 ! 14:24:53 But in any case you knew when fighting Mara that you could become misled at any moment, so it encouraged you to track all the monsters around just in case you'd need to know 14:25:08 sure 14:25:17 i don't think that was the primary problem with the effect, though 14:25:17 maybe it was brogue hallucination 14:25:22 possibly one of the primary problems. 14:25:59 MarvinPA: yeah, I suppose that's fundamentally a problem. I hadn't necessarily been thinking of it in those terms, but any time they know 100% what a monster is and also there is a second monster you'd need to keep track. 14:26:00 -!- Donkoko has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:29 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:37 welp 14:26:39 brogue hallucinations vary monsters every turn but brogue has a lot of special contexts like no fodder enemies past early game and food clock and always-catching-up power curve and etc 14:26:41 In hypothetical optimal play, where you never do anything but escape when there's > 1 monster in sight that maybe doesn't matter, but no one plays like that. 14:26:55 regret-index: i don't see how any of those things make it better, though 14:27:08 also so much less escape options? 14:27:16 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:28:12 it is not ideal, perhaps 14:29:13 weird trivia about chaoscrawl branch: i was worried about plants turning into orcs or dragons or w/e, since you'd think that'd interrupt resting, right? but it turns out that resting/autotravel/etc code does *not* go through monster-info. 14:29:38 haha 14:30:10 Alternate concept: all monsters start as "a monster" until they take a non-movement action. Might also have to cover movement options for bats, sixferies, and jiangshis. 14:30:36 i wonder if you can use runrest_ignore_monster to narrow down what things are 14:30:47 cunning... 14:31:08 but sort of dangerous, since you'd need to take a run/rest action to test 14:31:22 -!- nebel has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:31:34 true! "an interesting tradeoff" 14:31:38 (: 14:31:43 for a very serious mechanic. 14:31:53 haha 14:32:13 Lasty_: also everything else with fast or slow movement? 14:32:45 also, good try wrt sixfirhies 14:34:00 i wonder if a dimensional vortex eating a wall counts as a movement action. 14:34:04 PleasingFungus: yeah, movement makes things tricky. Slightly fast/slow movement would only be definitively demonstrated after two bonus/skipped moves 14:34:13 since it could otherwise be unlucky energy randomization 14:34:26 trying to enumerate 'all non-movement actions' seems like it's the sort of thing that could drive you insane 14:34:30 agreed 14:34:54 I was pleasantly surprised at how easy it was to enumerate "all possibly-aggressive actions" for Ukayaw 14:34:59 thanks to exercise.cc :p 14:35:01 -!- tcjsavannah has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:35:39 i luv 2 exercise 14:36:11 03PleasingFungus02 07[chaoscrawl] * 0.18-a0-1685-gfa9eca8: Merge branch 'master' into chaoscrawl 10(25 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fa9eca8d6cbf 14:36:56 would we lose anything by removing divinations miscasts? 14:37:04 it seems kind of silly to keep a school around just for its miscasts 14:37:18 oh, right, unrands... 14:37:36 hrm. 14:37:36 I thought it was just for crystal balls 14:37:42 nope 14:37:43 wucad mu 14:37:46 oh right 14:37:51 and not crystal ball 14:37:52 sif wrath too i think 14:37:54 yes 14:37:57 ah 14:38:21 -!- wheals_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:38:46 tbh i wouldn't have been able to guess which was which either 14:40:03 -!- ldf_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:41:23 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:45 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:41:49 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:15 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:43:27 @??dimensional vortex 14:43:27 unknown monster: "dimensional vortex" 14:44:08 whatever 14:44:18 @??spatial vortex 14:44:19 spatial vortex (00v) | Spd: 15 | HD: 6 | HP: 46-64 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 3012(distort) | 11non-living, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 165 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 14:44:38 and also the other one 14:46:45 @??spatial maelstrom 14:46:45 spatial maelstrom (08v) | Spd: 16 | HD: 10 | HP: 61-88 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 2012(distort), 2012(distort) | 11non-living, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 759 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 14:46:52 tyvm. 14:47:02 ...759 xp, hrm. 14:47:14 good 15 vs 16 speed 14:47:32 an important distinction 14:47:48 lol 14:47:50 @??sphinx 14:47:50 sphinx (15H) | Spd: 11 | HD: 16 | HP: 74-104 | AC/EV: 5/5 | Dam: 25, 12, 12 | 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 2267 | Sp: confuse, paralyse, minor healing (2d8), smiting (7-17), slow | Sz: Big | Int: human. 14:48:30 I probably wanted faster-than-spriggan speed? 14:48:31 MarvinPA: necessary centaur nerf for abyss, naturally 14:49:52 but, why for only one 14:50:49 * regret-index shrugs. 14:52:40 fire vortices are also 15, apparently 14:53:39 vampire mosquitoes are 19? 14:53:42 weird numbers. 14:54:19 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:55:19 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:55:49 We wouldn't want to have them be speed 20 or else they would be able to outrun a spriggan while rooted by a Shadow Creature'd shambling mangrove and walking through shallow water. 14:56:07 Which is clearly not part of the design 14:56:44 ya 14:56:51 shadow creatures in swamp... 14:57:00 to go along with the shadows 14:57:28 I guess there's that ancient idea to cut young spriggan druids and instead abuse lair boggarts 14:57:45 and then, if boggarts can appear with spriggans, then boggarts can appear in swamp??? 14:58:12 loggarts 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:05 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:14 -!- MadCoyote is now known as FunkyBomb 15:04:14 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 15:08:07 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:08:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:10 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:11:13 -!- adelrune has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:14:58 -!- argent0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:25:41 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:27:48 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1669-g6846071 (34) 15:29:29 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:18 -!- Zxpr1jk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:45:30 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:54 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:55 The build is still failing. (chaoscrawl - fa9eca8 #5184 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/120140543 15:45:55 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:46:35 no farmers for April 1st? 15:51:03 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:54:30 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:06:26 -!- Avigdore has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:07:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:23:45 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:23 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:24:35 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:24:42 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:25:29 -!- rwork has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:42 -!- graymark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:30:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:30:34 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:31:03 lol @ the chaoscrawl test failure 16:31:07 e.g. https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/jobs/120140555 16:32:39 actually 16:32:46 is it just me or is there no april fools joke on cszo at all this year 16:32:56 april fool's! 16:33:59 several branches prepared, none deployed 16:34:33 neil didn't want to mess with people too much. which is perfectly reasonable. 16:34:46 chaoscrawl will find a home someday 16:34:57 next year in jerusalem! 16:35:22 <|amethyst> my main concern was that, since the AFJs are all in separate branches, not trunk, I didn't want to replace trunk and have peoples' games not count 16:36:19 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:28 <|amethyst> making them non-default experimental branch would work, but isn't very April Foolsy since you have to explicitly go looking for it 16:36:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:36:34 <|amethyst> s/nch/nches/ 16:36:36 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:36:53 <|amethyst> there were objections to having april fools jokes in trunk that have effects on gameplay 16:37:44 <|amethyst> (there's still time to rename all permafoods to various forms of pizza, though, since that's purely cosmetic) 16:38:16 pizza tornado :( 16:38:18 <|amethyst> then hopefully rather than reverting that, we will merge the different kinds of pizza into pizza rations and pizza slices 16:38:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:38:39 <|amethyst> then rename pizza rations to "rations" and pizza slices to "royal jelly" or something like that 16:41:07 lakaveli (L10 GrFi) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 191: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:9) 16:41:07 this reads like the old 'english into faux-german' joke we have kicking around in fakelangs. 16:41:08 lallenlowe (L14 GrBe) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 191: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Lair:5) 16:41:09 Meowch (L22 DrVM) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Slime:2) 16:41:10 smoothflow (L6 DsMo) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 191: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (D:4) 16:41:14 graymark (L22 DECj) ERROR in 'tileweb.cc' at line 192: Socket write error: Resource temporarily unavailable (Vaults:5) 16:41:17 <|amethyst> whoa 16:41:30 ? 16:41:35 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:41:50 kerboom? 16:41:52 <|amethyst> not sure what's going on on CAO 16:41:54 in a certain sense, chaoscrawl is purely cosmetic. 16:42:14 ahh, I should probably unignore more bots 16:42:15 hm 16:42:24 <|amethyst> oh, lots of clean-trunks jobs 16:42:49 hopefully i don't end up having to enter ##crawl anytime soon 16:43:27 need a smarter ignore that only does it per channel 16:44:25 ya 16:44:25 <|amethyst> !rc Behavioral 16:44:26 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/Behavioral.rc 16:44:43 need to write a script 16:45:27 zantega (L10 MiFi) (D:9) 16:45:27 altreality (L3 MiFi) (D:2) 16:45:27 Webtiles server stopped. 16:45:28 -!- Kramell has quit [Excess Flood] 16:45:28 SriBri (L15 HuGl) (Lair:8) 16:45:29 BlackKatBrainz (L6 OpAs) (D:4) 16:45:31 kazak (L17 FoFi) (D:15) 16:45:34 XOU2 (L2 HECj) (D:1) 16:45:36 Gerad (L13 DsBe) (Lair:6) 16:45:38 rip 16:45:38 jh1285 (L1 HuNe) (D:1) 16:45:40 Thorbinator (L5 DECj) (D:3) 16:45:42 <|amethyst> those are from the stop, not errors 16:45:43 MagnaUrsa (L11 GrFi) (D:10) 16:45:45 whrimfunis (L8 KoWn) (D:7) 16:45:50 Fredtheelf (L3 MiFi) (D:3) 16:45:52 rockit (L15 OgNe) (D:11) 16:45:55 Rottenrawb (L7 HOBe) (D:5) 16:45:57 jaruokki (L27 GrFi) (D:12) 16:46:00 gpf (L1 VpEn) (D:1) 16:46:04 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46:04 jumbajumba (L25 FoCK) (Depths:2) 16:46:06 Splatt (L15 NaGl) (Lab) 16:46:08 jake482 (L20 GrFi) (Vaults:1) 16:46:11 horredgrones (L27 VpEn) (Pan) 16:46:13 Scruffington (L12 MiFi) (Lair:3) 16:46:16 theguruofreason (L6 HOFi) (D:5) 16:46:18 sage1234 (L17 VSBe) (Swamp:1) 16:46:21 predicament (L20 DsGl) (Vaults:1) 16:46:23 soeti (L15 TrMo) (Orc:2) 16:46:25 dexdexdexdex (L25 DsGl) (Crypt:3) 16:46:28 flameaway (L10 DEWz) (D:9) 16:46:31 titanjones (L27 FoFi) (Pan) 16:46:35 Webtiles server started. 16:49:11 <|amethyst> okay, the load is back down to 2 now instead of 85 16:53:10 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 16:53:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 16:57:45 rename orcs to pizza 16:57:54 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:59:28 -!- sky_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:20 |amethyst: an effective means of limiting server load 17:00:27 i.e. just ban everyone 17:03:12 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:11:58 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 17:16:18 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:19:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:21:36 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:22:37 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:48 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:23:00 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest62860 17:24:49 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:24 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:26 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 17:27:37 -!- Guest62860 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:30:04 -!- rwork has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:31:00 -!- adelrune has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32:08 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:32:11 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:17 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:35:29 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest22548 17:36:26 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:43:05 -!- vasya_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:47 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:54 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:45:43 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:45 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:52:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52:42 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:52:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:00 I am still kind of disappointed there was no AF joke 17:54:07 I was hoping to try and win a Farmer 17:54:15 or win in chaoscrawl 17:55:42 should disable all races other than mummy 17:55:57 and all backgrounds other than CK 17:56:31 i was not totally kidding when i suggested chaoscrawl be an rcfile option. i don't know how much "wasted" code it all takes, but i'm sure there are people who would do it for fun (see: fake_lang=butt,butt) 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:47 Lightli: I took care of it 18:01:52 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:38 -!- regret-index has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:08:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:10:48 -!- hellmonk has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:12:21 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:14:47 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1677-g2bdad6c (34) 18:16:52 -!- hellmonk_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:26:26 ... does specifying "cursed" in des files work? 18:26:26 Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:27:31 -!- Datul_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:53 yes 18:28:12 hrm 18:28:32 Still working on tracking down why it doesn't for job items 18:29:14 magicalfaerieponies (L16 MfWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster red ugly thing failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 18:29:19 job items? 18:30:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:24 -!- Surgo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:30:42 Items given to starting chars for a given background 18:31:39 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:33:19 there's not a lot of "cursed" left in .des files, it looks like. but i just tried boulder_indie, setting the whip to always be cursed, and it was cursed. sample size of 1, QED 18:34:06 yeah, I found one in the tutorial that works 18:34:14 an amulet of inacc 18:34:31 which is a funny one, because that'd be cursed anyway, right? 18:34:53 probably... interesting point 18:35:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35:10 I should change a des to check better 18:35:18 <|amethyst> !source give_job_equipment 18:35:19 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/jobs.cc#l109 18:35:30 <|amethyst> it doesn't actually give the item_spec to the function that makes the item 18:36:25 are you sure? items.add_item(it); 18:36:43 my debg statements make it look like it does 18:36:54 <|amethyst> Lasty: look what it does with items 18:37:13 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:22 <|amethyst> it just pulls out one item_spec at a time and passes a few of its members to give_job_equipment 18:37:25 <|amethyst> but only a few 18:37:28 <|amethyst> err 18:37:29 ah, hmm. 18:37:33 <|amethyst> to newgame_make_item I mean 18:37:42 <|amethyst> also, I have no idea why there are two loops there 18:37:49 ah, I see what you mean 18:38:21 blerp 18:39:24 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 18:39:25 <|amethyst> (also, item_spec::pick_item should really be a member of item_spec_slot 18:39:59 It'd be nice to pass spec to newgame_make_item... 18:40:00 <|amethyst> I guess that's why there are two loops 18:40:09 -!- tripout has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:41:22 <|amethyst> because item_spec and item_spec_slot don't have much code themselves, everything is in item_list 18:42:00 <|amethyst> including a bunch of instance methods that should really be class methods if anyway 18:42:14 <|amethyst> s/if anyway/anyway, if they are methods at all/ 18:42:25 So I'm only messing with this for a april fools branch that isn't even hosted, so I'm not going to worry about refactoring this now, but I'll make ea note to come back and refactor this eventually 18:42:42 <|amethyst> in the branch you could just add a bool parameter :) 18:42:56 <|amethyst> or fix it up with special-case code 18:43:02 <|amethyst> that might be less intrusive 18:43:45 yeah, that's what I'm gonna do 18:46:38 -!- Epakai has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:46:40 the former 18:48:01 magicalfaerieponies (L16 MfWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster wolf spider failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 18:49:06 good player name 18:50:30 -!- scummos__ has quit [Client Quit] 18:52:07 magicalfaerieponies (L16 MfWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster hell hog failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 18:55:11 03Lasty02 07[farmer] * 0.18-a0-1673-g7b18243: Force farmers to commit to something for once 10(23 seconds ago, 4 files, 10+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7b182434b0cf 18:57:22 New branch created: aspirants (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/aspirants 18:57:22 03Lasty02 07[aspirants] * 0.18-a0-1640-gb226352: New background: Aspirant 10(6 days ago, 7 files, 127+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b226352831ef 18:57:35 for whatever it's worth :p 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:01:06 -!- cromulent is now known as pocketmulch 19:05:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:08:04 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:12:10 magicalfaerieponies (L17 MfWz) ERROR in 'mon-movetarget.cc' at line 115: ZotDef: monster torpor snail failed to pathfind to (40,26) (the Orb) (Zot (ZotDef)) 19:15:02 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:15:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:17:04 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:19:27 I wonder if there's anything interesting we could do with a background that has cursed equipment 19:20:45 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:20:56 Just spitballing here, but 1) starts w/ better-than-normal weapon and worse-than-normal cursed armour; 2) starts w/ worse-than-normal cursed weapons and armour and some ?EA/?EW; 3) starts with better than normal weapons and armour and cursed bad rings 19:22:50 what is an aspirant? 19:23:07 1) gives a tradeoff between offense and defense we don't currently offer; 2) gives a tradeoff between ridding yourself of your burdens now and having significantly better loot later; 3) gives strong loot but only after you can find ?RC 19:23:29 NilsBloodaxe: a background that starts with a dagger and a book full of high-level spells 19:24:02 -!- jj123 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:24:34 NilsBloodaxe: it's a "joke" background 19:25:38 or failing that, a challenge background 19:26:38 -!- serQ has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 19:27:46 amalloy_: belated response wrt rcfile option: i'm a little worried about maintaining the code. it's kind of ugly. 19:28:10 amalloy_: imo take a look at the commits yourself and see what you think? 19:28:46 Lasty: isn't 2) what you get every time you find one of those scrolls on the ground? or pick any god that is not fedhas? 19:30:02 true, but every other background is also what you get when you find {x} 19:30:37 also seems like it would always be optimal to use the scrolls right away anyway 19:31:31 or is this another april fools' joke and I'm just slow 19:31:47 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:52 it turns out that crawl is just one big april fool's joke 19:31:58 no one was actually supposed to play it seriously. 19:32:01 that's probably true given that the first monsters you encounter tend to be the hardest 19:32:18 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:33:35 on the other hand, depending on starting eq, the background could be set up to be only strong if you can land the scrolls on decent gear, offering an incentive to delay, even if it's not strictly optimal. But maybe just a bad idea. 19:34:32 yeah it sounds like more of a startscum background than Wn 19:35:38 Any curse-based background is gonna be more startscummy than average, since ?RC's value would go up significantly 19:36:13 i know! add a background that starts with ashenzari 19:36:20 heh 19:36:39 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:37:27 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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