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Riffraff the Ducker (L5 DEMo of Okawaru), succumbed to poison on D:5 on 2010-01-22 11:06:19, with 326 points after 4300 turns and 0:18:41. 01:23:46 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:30:10 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:46:02 -!- Athaboros has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:47:22 -!- eb_ has quit [] 01:48:25 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:44 -!- lobf has left ##crawl-dev 01:55:01 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1643-gb89d9db 01:57:05 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:53 -!- chesse20 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:12:31 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:16:27 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:08 -!- minqmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:26:19 -!- minmay has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:27:46 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:28:28 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:30:46 -!- Blocknight has quit [Quit: Done lurking] 02:31:13 http://sprunge.us/GQST someone eyeball this and tell me if it helps or hurts readability 02:31:16 i need another set of eyes 02:32:18 t-three braces?! 02:32:52 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:32:57 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 02:33:36 PleasingFungus: i would say "Each element in the list, other than the last, is a list of candidates for that place in the band. The final element lists candidates for all further places." 02:33:56 maybe "position" or "slot" instead of place 02:34:04 sure 02:34:14 PleasingFungus: IMO comments should not have apologies in them 02:34:29 "This is confusingly phrased; deal with it" 02:34:47 amalloy: it would not be a first :) 02:35:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:35:14 also i was more looking for comments about the table itself rather than its comments, though ontoclasm's suggestion is certainly a welcome improvement 02:35:18 it seems like you would want to write it out like 02:36:28 http://pastebin.com/Rrt8ENyE 02:36:52 i think the table itself is an obvious improvement over the switch/case, though the comment could use some work to make sure it's clear 02:36:54 i'm reformatting it a little right now 02:36:56 will repost in a sec 02:37:12 amalloy: ok, i'll continue in that case. ty! 02:37:35 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37:40 fr: a weighted list of weighted lists of weighted lists 02:37:43 * amalloy is in favor of data-ifying everything possible 02:38:07 ontoclasm: your easter challenge: find the place(s) in crawl where we already have this 02:38:11 one thing that's sort of subtle in this implementation is stuff like - compare BAND_POLYPHEMUS to BAND_HELL_KNIGHTS 02:39:06 one of those has two single-element lists, the other has a single two-element list; but they look very similar at a glance 02:39:36 perhaps add some line breaks and indentation to indicate the structure 02:39:46 would use up more lines, but so what, it's still better than switch/case 02:39:49 polyphemus gets exactly one cato and then N dyaks, and hell knights get N necros+hknights, weighted 3 times as much towards hknights? 02:40:36 yep 02:40:46 the main thing that's not clear to me from this is how it's determined how many monsters comprise the "leftover" bucket 02:40:55 that's elsewhere 02:40:56 is it just like, a constant across all band types? 02:40:58 Zaba: http://sprunge.us/NbQj 02:41:09 wait, to be clear 02:41:14 poly gets n dyaks or n-1 dyaks 02:41:15 amalloy: in the current code, check out bands_by_leader 02:41:26 CanOfWorms: er, n-1 02:41:33 well he gets N, for some value N 02:41:50 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:42:41 I think if you put a whitespace line between separate lists it that subtlely will be clearer 02:43:20 like guardian serpent 02:43:27 one list spans two lines 02:44:43 done 02:45:41 ugh, BAND_NAGAS.... 02:45:59 i'm gonna tweak the math very slightly to make it neater, i think 02:46:23 or maybe just leave it for someone else to sort out 02:46:28 PleasingFungus: what i meant was something like http://sprunge.us/GKMT 02:46:52 the bracing... 02:47:05 definitely readable 02:53:27 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1643-gb89d9db 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:46 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10:10 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:10:42 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:14:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:23:58 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1643-gb89d9db (34) 03:34:17 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:40:21 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1644-g784a89b: Dataify more band data 10(3 minutes ago, 2 files, 279+ 417-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/784a89ba62a3 03:41:06 -!- Stendarr has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:09 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:44:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:45:51 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:46:07 -!- Ratboiler has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:35 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Client Quit] 03:48:35 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:49:11 -!- schistosoma has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:55:05 -!- } has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:57:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:58:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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[Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:11:00 ??assassin 07:11:00 assassin[1/1]: A background that starts with an enchanted dagger, a cloak, and a blowgun with two curare needles and eight poison needles. 07:32:06 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 07:47:13 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:47:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:54 -!- breadbocks has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:59:25 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:47 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:13 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:04:29 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:05:08 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 08:08:48 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:11:15 -!- serQ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:13:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:22:07 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:25:18 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:29:30 -!- serQ has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:37:37 -!- } has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:00 <}> when a deep dwarf gains fighting skill, hp does not stay at 100%... i.e. if you're at 40/40 and fighting goes from 2 to 3, you're at 40/42 hp 08:38:04 <}> is that a bug 08:42:21 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:43:02 <|amethyst> I think so, and I think I see where it came from 08:43:43 <|amethyst> hm, maybe 08:43:48 seems to not just be DD although not being able regen would make that more obvious on DD 08:45:40 <|amethyst> it worked correctly in 0.13 08:46:58 <|amethyst> and was broken in 0.14 08:54:34 <}> |amethyst, seems like a strange thing to break 08:54:50 <|amethyst> probably the timing of a calc_hp call changed or something 08:54:56 <}> you seem to stay at 100% when gaining a lvl 08:54:59 <}> but not on fighting increase 08:58:21 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:02:59 -!- Weretaco has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:10:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:33:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:35:37 <|amethyst> oh actually 09:35:45 <|amethyst> 0.13 had the problem too 09:36:06 <|amethyst> but if you gained both skill and XL at the same time you would be at full 09:36:16 <|amethyst> whereas now gaining them at the same time does not put you at full 09:38:59 <|amethyst> yeah, the not-gaining-HP on Fighting increase appears to have been that way as far back as 0.10, so probably forever 09:39:20 <|amethyst> but in older versions the relative timing of skill gains and XL gains was different 09:39:55 <}> I see 09:40:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:41:08 <|amethyst> looks like currhp scaling is done in _gain_and_note_hp_mp() which is only called on XL change 09:42:30 <}> !source _gain_and_note_hp_mp 09:42:30 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l2799 09:42:59 <}> |amethyst, so should this be called for fighting skill increase as well? 09:43:12 <|amethyst> not as-is, because it takes a note about XL change 09:43:59 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:50 <}> i would decouple the hp calculation calls from the function into another one 09:44:55 <|amethyst> yeah 09:45:56 <}> i guess if you're busy I could it and recompile to test 09:46:01 <}> just need to get crawl source on this laptop 09:48:18 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:48:41 -!- Angmar has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:53:41 <|amethyst> recompiling to test 09:55:30 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:55:43 <|amethyst> hm 09:55:48 <|amethyst> error with mon-data 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:37 <|amethyst> not mon-data, mon-place.cc 10:04:48 <|amethyst> not sure why it doesn't like the initialization of band_membership 10:06:14 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:18 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:24 -!- Athaboros has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:09:02 <}> !source mon-place.cc 10:09:02 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc 10:10:37 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:11:31 <|amethyst> aha, found it 10:12:30 <|amethyst> well, found one problem, looks like there are more 10:13:09 <}> |amethyst, what is it? i tried with geordi and got no error 10:13:24 <}> geordi { map>> m = { {1, {{{1, 1}}} } }; } 10:13:41 <|amethyst> first one is that there is a BAND_JIANGSHI that should be a MONS_JIANGSHI 10:13:45 <|amethyst> trying to find the second error now 10:13:59 <}> oh so its that kind of error 10:16:52 -!- Poncheis has quit [Client Quit] 10:18:38 <|amethyst> ah, there were three total 10:19:21 wonder why travis didn't get it 10:23:05 <|amethyst> it did 10:23:10 <|amethyst> https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl 10:24:14 -!- SpiritFryer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:25:02 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:25:14 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1645-g450bcad: Fix compilation. 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/450bcad15784 10:25:14 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1646-gf7c67b8: Scale current HP on Fighting skill change (bsdbeard) 10(26 minutes ago, 5 files, 24+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f7c67b8a3007 10:27:13 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:28:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:47 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:25 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:37:59 <|amethyst> possibly something similar would need to be done for Spc/Evo/Invo increases and MP 10:38:53 <|amethyst> (particularly with Pakellas or DD + SpiritShield) 10:59:12 -!- zxc has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:00:37 -!- ursan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 11:01:40 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:55 -!- Blade- has 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13:24:48 go for it 13:24:56 god, it really is nearly april fool's, isn't it 13:24:57 time flies... 13:24:59 yeah 13:25:05 the fool of april (me) 13:25:12 heh, now you'll be on guard 13:25:14 what's the fun 13:25:35 i hear wheals is gonna complete the task i failed last year 13:25:37 I've got a patch to add Aspirants on April 1 13:25:38 the full release of pizza tornado 13:25:43 no doubt 13:25:47 remind me what they were? 13:25:48 i failed 13:25:51 nooo 13:25:53 too 13:26:01 pizza tornado is too great a task for any mortal man... 13:26:13 i only got 9 entries of the very first changelog 13:26:19 didn't even reach pizza tornado :( 13:26:21 PleasingFungus: as implemented, they start with a +0 dagger and robe along with a special spellbook containing a L4, L6-7 and L8-9 spell. 13:26:30 gonna be the next jesters 13:26:36 gonna get angry letters asking us to keep them in 13:26:40 I hope so 13:26:40 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:26:42 :p 13:26:42 start with dark maul 13:26:43 what letters do they get? 13:26:45 not as, obv 13:26:48 Ap 13:26:52 hm 13:27:02 Not much for good words tho 13:27:03 i'm only allowing this if you have a good word you can make with it. 13:27:06 haha 13:27:20 "An" would get us some words 13:27:29 AspiraNt 13:27:32 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:27:33 yup 13:27:46 The clear next letter to use <.< >.> 13:27:57 AspiranT? 13:27:59 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:28:01 At? 13:28:04 ya 13:28:07 then we could say Drat! 13:28:12 that's solid 13:28:33 But you're giving up DeAn 13:28:42 the dean of deens...! 13:28:48 heh 13:29:00 at also has haat 13:29:08 which is, in certain respects, like a word. 13:29:15 I'm tempted to do farmers too, but two backgrounds might be too much for one day 13:29:23 naan!!! 13:29:26 HeAp 13:29:28 Lasty_: go crazy. background frenzy 13:29:36 new zealots 13:29:52 pull hep into april fool branch, give it a zealot 13:29:54 The only time "lasty" and "new zealots" will be used in the same concept 13:30:08 "Memorialist" 13:30:13 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:19 Lasty_: SpAt 13:30:25 Ukayaw zealots have a wide range of fun names 13:30:36 oh, but sadly no SEAn... 13:30:36 Dancer, drummer, ecstatic, etc. 13:30:43 Or LOAn 13:30:44 rip 13:30:46 ya rip. 13:30:49 add a zealot for every god 13:31:01 just one class that's a random zealot 13:31:03 "A much-awaited feature" 13:31:11 except for other gods that have zealots already 13:31:40 the startscummiest class 13:32:01 wheals: there are a bunch of players who would never switch off that version 13:32:04 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq is now known as Zannick 13:32:25 zealot for beogh 13:32:45 Bealot 13:33:31 hm 13:33:40 i had good apr fools ideas at some point, but didn't write any down 13:33:40 whoops 13:33:53 probably ran out of space in my todo. i try to keep it lean, you know? 13:33:56 . . . or was saying that the prank?? 13:34:03 !!! 13:34:32 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 13:34:38 Aside from backgrounds, we've generally tried to make april fools stuff not affect gameplay, right? 13:34:48 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:35:01 what does nostalgia count as 13:35:14 well, that was a separate branch 13:35:27 I guess I'm thinking it's probably best to not potentially interfere with a run in progress 13:35:28 imo seasonal stuff should not affect gameplay generally, including backgrounds 13:35:34 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:41 unless they're a separate branch like nostalgia, yeah 13:35:51 MarvinPA: not a fan of jesters, then? :) 13:36:31 i mean they were an okay joke but i don't think it's something to make a habit of 13:37:43 So given that I was considering two such backgrounds this time around, I'm guessing you'd prefer I put those on a branch or some such? 13:38:03 That does makes them harder to stumble upon 13:40:54 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:41:02 -!- ursan has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:41:47 for nostalgia i think a bunch of servers switched to it instead of trunk, or maybe that was some other april fool's thing further in the past? not so feasible with so many servers now anyway i guess 13:42:14 i mean i also don't think we need to do something for april fool's just because, unless there's really a particularly good idea 13:42:22 agreed 13:42:56 idk that aspirants are, like, funny? other than the drat/naan thing, obv 13:43:37 They're definitely not funny like jesters are funny. 13:43:39 Farmers might be. 13:43:54 but really there the joke is almost entirely in starting with a cursed scythe. 13:44:16 I suppose they're both funny in terms of being really absurd backgrounds, which maybe isn't enough. 13:45:56 I suppose it depends on what one considers to be the cost that the joke is being weighed against 13:46:05 crawl demands the best from its april fool jokes. 13:46:16 the best april fool: http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/tiles-server 13:47:07 heh 13:49:03 (also wow, 0.6 was a long time ago huh) 13:49:18 decades ago... 13:51:35 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:54:28 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:55:42 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:57:29 MarvinPA: so as you've seen I'm proposing 2 possible ideas as one-day april fools backgrounds, one already coded, that are not strongly april fools themed. How strongly do you feel that 1) trunk backgrounds for holidays are a bad idea, and 2) that jokes need to reach a certain quality to be worth doing? 13:57:50 I kinda want to do this, but if it's something you feel strongly about I'll drop it. 13:59:39 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:12:13 i dunno, i'm fairly strongly against seasonal stuff affecting gameplay (as with the old halloween thing also) 14:12:58 but also it just doesn't seem very april fools-y to me i guess 14:14:19 <|amethyst> hm, thought I fixed up the problematic files, but still an error in scores loading 14:14:58 That's fair. I'll reconsider how much I want to get people to try these backgrounds. 14:15:11 <|amethyst> !tell greensnark still having problems reloading the scores db, key error in return game['v'] >= OLDEST_VERSION 14:15:12 |amethyst: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 14:15:14 e.g. is it worth branching for 14:16:36 <|amethyst> !tell greensnark I had it redownload all the files with broken lines, but still some errors... possibly related to really old games (some have a newline in the middle of a log message for example), but they managed to import the first time 14:16:37 |amethyst: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 14:19:58 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:26:58 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:38:18 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:24 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:50:25 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:56:48 -!- jetnerd_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:57:03 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:09:56 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:23 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:23:45 -!- vasya_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:23 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:37:00 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:37:06 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:38:03 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:13 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:54:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:57:08 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 15:59:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:59:40 -!- Stonar_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08:01 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:49 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:49 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:16 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:27:21 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:30:58 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:34 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:08 -!- vasya_ has quit [] 16:37:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:47 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:16 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:44:14 -!- Patashu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:46:00 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:47:18 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:47:24 <}> a naga in tree form can use spit poison, intentiona? it would seem a tree shouldnt be able to spit anything 16:47:55 thanks, } 16:48:01 <}> jefus, ? 16:48:05 formicid used to be able to dig as a pig, then i mentioned it 16:48:12 <}> oh 16:48:12 what's left? what's left?!! 16:48:21 <}> a digging pig 16:48:34 if that's wrong, clearly a spitting tree is ;) 16:48:36 <}> could you find truffles 16:48:44 <}> haha 16:50:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:52:47 you've never had a tree drop resin on you? :p 16:56:25 bug: spit poison should be renamed "spit toxic resin" while in tree form 16:56:41 (fr new crawl enemy "pińon pine", tries to trap you in amber or confuse you with spores) 16:57:50 <}> ballistomycete's older brother 16:58:51 also setting it on fire causes more of them to sprout >.> 16:59:44 -!- DAGOH has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:14 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:09:11 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 17:10:01 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:14 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:14:09 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:19 clearly, what we need is enemy summon forest 17:17:09 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:18 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 17:17:49 is there a context 17:19:21 aside from scrollback? 17:19:34 (starting from 20:47 UTC) 17:19:40 ack, timezones 17:20:02 ah, your thing, i see 17:20:24 no, started with } complaining that nagas in tree form can still spit poison 17:20:43 but presumably this is more a response to your 'new enemy suggestion' 17:20:51 probably yes 17:22:04 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:24:54 I wonder why draco didn't port dryads alongside the other plantish way back 17:25:33 probably the pairing of druids being effective enough for swamp and the spell being pretty functional 17:26:40 -!- 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@??hell hog hd:8 spells:fireball.40.natural 17:35:45 hell hog (04h) | Spd: 14 | HD: 8 | HP: 36-52 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 20 | natural, 05demonic, unholy | Res: 06magic(40), 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 465 | Sp: fireball (3d16) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 17:37:54 ...hmmmmmmm. making hell hogs ridiculous fireball spam bands for gehenna... 17:38:11 -!- spriseris has quit [Disconnected by services] 17:38:12 imagine if geh had any significant fire threats 17:38:32 ^ completely unfair hyperbole 17:39:14 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:39:14 the terrifying molten gargoyle 17:39:23 the ever-so-reliable salamander stormcaller 17:39:49 also some dumb demons with damnation, that thing completely different from fire 17:40:25 rn is the tar resistance, rc is the coc resistance, ac is for dis and hp is for geh. 17:40:26 obviously. 17:41:40 @??dispater 17:41:40 Dispater (06&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 360-513 | AC/EV: 40/3 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05damnation, 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 9481 | Sp: sum.greater demon [06!sil], crystal spear (3d35) [06!sil], iron shot (3d29) [06!sil], hurl damnation (3d2.. 17:42:16 alternately, ev, maybe 17:42:33 what color is damnation's explosion 17:42:33 out of curiosity 17:42:39 same as before 17:43:49 ??plan 17:43:49 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 17:44:10 the plan seems kind of out of date 17:44:13 how is there not some bitter joke about devs and plans in the learndb for that yet 17:44:24 because absolutely no one is as bitter as you are 17:44:30 i'm sure there's some kind of joke about it, tho. 17:44:54 i was going to talk to someone about timing the feature freeze/release, but i have a headache right now 17:44:56 so maybe later 17:50:25 -!- knu has quit [Quit: Reboot...] 17:53:12 -!- regret-index has left 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ZZZzzz…] 21:55:32 looks like the large aboms have a typo somewhere 21:55:40 they're referred as abmoniation 21:56:20 or maybe that's just gammafunk's tile thing 21:57:14 yeah looks like it's just gammafunk's thing 21:58:40 The abmoniation throws danmation at you! 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:21 * geekosaur hopes someone warned Dan first :p 22:01:46 they never do :( 22:02:49 -!- neongrey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:20:19 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:25:40 -!- Athaboros has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:25:56 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:26:10 -!- serQ has quit [Quit: ... und weg ...] 22:26:26 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:26:27 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:03 -!- Jamo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:27:33 -!- Leszczynek has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 22:27:55 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:28:34 -!- bencryption has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:31:29 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:30 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:10 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:47 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:41:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:42:26 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:42:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:45:00 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:45:10 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 22:45:34 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:46:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 22:47:34 -!- destroythecore has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:04 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:04:38 -!- Nomi has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:57 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:22 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:32 Is there a change that would have broken slouch recently? 23:06:46 I keep trying to slouch normal speed enemies and I get a message like nothing's happening 23:07:19 <|amethyst> gammafunk: but you don't get the "no one hasty visible" message? 23:07:28 You can feel time thicken for a moment. You feel somewhat less full. 23:07:32 for a komodo 23:07:47 also happened witha hydra 23:07:53 for fast monsters it's working 23:08:29 <|amethyst> are your movements actually slow? 23:08:37 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:08:44 yes 23:08:50 4* or 5* piety 23:09:57 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:11:29 <|amethyst> hm 23:12:26 <|amethyst> in my tests it seems to be doing damage but just not giving any message 23:12:48 it seemed to message properly and do damge for fast monsters 23:13:38 oh, it prints that message about time thickening for a moment 23:13:55 even when it did damage 23:14:12 Which is maybe what you're saying 23:14:25 <|amethyst> Yeah, I think that message is the only one you get 23:14:25 I'm not sure what the typical messaging is 23:14:28 <|amethyst> other than things dying 23:14:42 hrm, maybe it was damaging it, just not very much 23:15:12 <|amethyst> I just tried on a komodo at max piety and invo as a normal-speed race, and it did 20 damage 23:15:58 perhaps it's just the lack of damage message that confused me then 23:16:15 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 23:16:34 <|amethyst> maybe full-screen spells should flash affected monsters 23:16:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:16:48 <|amethyst> besides or in addition to whatever full-screen flash they do 23:17:25 <|amethyst> I suppose that would require a bit of refactoring, though, to track which monsters didn't reduce the damage to 0 23:22:46 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:29:46 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:29:52 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:30:19 -!- SpiritFryer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:47:13 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:34 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:21 -!- NilsBloodaxe has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:40 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:52:01 -!- NilsBloodaxe_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:52:19 -!- NilsBloodaxe has joined ##crawl-dev