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In Keep of Menkaure and zigsprint at least, possibly others, felids can sequence-break for some... interesting results. 03:59:20 -!- Wahaha_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:00 I know felids dying and getting death-teleported into the orb chamber on zigsprint before at least 04:03:56 yeah, xw did it once. pretty fun. it's happened in menkaure before also, so not really a new issue in either 04:09:10 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:15:28 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 04:26:52 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:31:42 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:32:02 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 04:35:11 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:35:11 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:42:13 -!- Guest80002 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:44:45 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:46:55 -!- Adum has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:48:29 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:48:55 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55:34 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58:02 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest97715 04:58:43 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:59:56 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:57 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:04:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 05:07:09 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:08:35 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:11:52 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:18:57 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:20:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:22:36 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:26:30 -!- } has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:34 <}> Is there a posibility elf could have an alternative? similair to lair branches having alternatives 05:27:44 <}> alternative branch 05:29:05 <}> theres walls of text in ##crawl about an alternative to elf filled with formicids instead of elves, sounds fun, but I don't know if that would ever get into trunk 05:37:07 -!- Cenon has quit [*.net *.split] 05:44:51 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:48:28 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:52:58 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:53:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:56:00 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:57:06 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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[2016-03-26 16:32:26] [src=cszo] keepcalmandspamtab the Chiller (L4 OpIE) (D:3) 12:34:53 <|amethyst> !lm keepcalmandspamtab x=src,tiles 12:34:53 2362. [2016-03-26 16:32:26] [src=cszo;tiles=true] keepcalmandspamtab the Chiller (L4 OpIE) (D:3) 12:38:54 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [] 12:39:25 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:22 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:02 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:44:54 -!- Rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:51:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:57:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:59 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:10:19 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:12:19 that player was on irc one time recently 13:12:23 or tavern 13:12:39 under a different name 13:13:08 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1637-g109f206 (34) 13:13:26 <|amethyst> I found them on webtiles chat 13:13:54 it's lethediver on tavern 13:14:05 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19195&p=260480&hilit=keepcalmandspamtab#p260480 13:14:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:15:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:37 }: there's no reason in principle why elf couldn't have an alternative, but designing a solid branch is one of the largest and hardest projects in crawl. 13:16:06 <|amethyst> Last time we lost two or three devs in the fallout 13:16:14 <|amethyst> last attempt, rather 13:16:40 dangerous business 13:16:42 }: formicid enemies were tried in spider and didn't really work out; presumably whatever ones ##crawl were talking about would be new designs? 13:16:57 <}> PleasingFungus, yes I believe so 13:17:09 <|amethyst> hm 13:17:29 <|amethyst> could be interesting level designs based on a branch full of digging monsters 13:17:38 part of the idea yes 13:17:40 <}> It was suggested to add shafts and teleport traps as well, similair to webs in spider 13:17:53 <}> and alarm traps have interesting effects when combined with digging 13:18:05 oh, i do like that 13:18:07 the latter 13:19:02 what was the last branch to be added? 13:19:02 <|amethyst> formicids with IOOD and shields of reflection 13:19:15 added and kept 13:19:15 |amethyst, what was the last attempt? 13:19:21 the forest? 13:19:21 <|amethyst> FIQ: Forest 13:19:26 er 13:19:31 zxc: spider 13:19:41 wow 13:19:47 <|amethyst> well 13:19:49 losing out on 3 devs as a result of a failed project huh... 13:19:52 <|amethyst> I guess technically depths 13:19:55 making branches in dcss is a serious business 13:19:55 heh 13:20:06 <}> I dont have any statistics but several people in ##crawl said they dont like elf and would rather not go there in principle 13:20:06 weird 13:20:08 <}> Which is how the discussion on an alternative started 13:20:12 I like elf 13:20:21 that doesn't seem like a reasonable justification for an alternative 13:20:21 I go there every game but I like easy loot 13:20:27 <|amethyst> ideally any replacement for Elf should be the same way 13:20:34 if there's actually a problem with elf, surely the solution would be to improve elf, not to swap it out half the time 13:20:43 <|amethyst> it is an explicitly optional part of the game, so 13:20:45 (not that there is actually a problem with elf necessarily) 13:20:52 <|amethyst> it's okay that some people never go there 13:21:03 if there's actually a problem with elf, surely the solution would be to improve elf, not to swap it out half the time 13:21:13 <|amethyst> more optional than extended that is 13:21:13 unless the problem is "it's always the same" 13:21:25 until we add elf rune 13:21:27 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:21:39 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:21:49 <}> FIQ, Well yes, if the problem is variety you cant really fix it by changing elf 13:21:58 <}> But idk if thats a problem 13:23:41 <}> I dont know what the design process behind crawl branches is, which is why I asked if its ever possible that elf would have an alternative 13:24:53 what do you mean by 'design process'? 13:25:13 <}> why things are the way there are 13:25:14 <}> in crawl 13:25:53 <|amethyst> there's no reason in principle not to have one 13:26:07 <|amethyst> or an alternative to Orc for that matter 13:26:32 yeah, we have a policy against adding new branches not as swaps for existing ones 13:26:41 since the game is generally considered Long Enough 13:26:49 but nothing against alternative branches, as long as they're interesting 13:26:59 <|amethyst> more portals are also possible 13:27:01 i was actually brainstorming an elf alternative myself, about a month back 13:27:03 ya 13:27:10 -!- West1C has quit [] 13:27:17 <|amethyst> and theoretically multilevel portals 13:27:20 which sort of stretches the rule, since portals don't really conflict with each-other 13:27:26 <|amethyst> I don't remember the implementation status 13:27:48 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: but you can tune weights to keep a similar average number of portals per game 13:28:04 do we, though 13:28:23 <|amethyst> I was about to say 13:28:26 <|amethyst> not that anyone does 13:28:41 oh 13:28:44 complete tangent 13:28:46 <|amethyst> it would be better if portals were chosen in advance 13:29:00 <|amethyst> well, maybe 13:30:00 <}> How were the lair alternative branches chosen, i.e. shoals/swamp snake/spider? I mean it could have been snake/shoals swamp/spider, if theres some deeper meaning to the way they're chosen, then the shoals alternative should be similair? 13:30:26 water vs poison 13:30:44 <}> but snake/spider is poison/vs poison? 13:30:51 <}> or is it slow/fast? 13:30:55 <|amethyst> right, you get one poison and one water branch 13:30:55 you misunderstood me 13:30:59 <}> oh 13:31:03 <|amethyst> though 13:31:04 sorry, i was unclear 13:31:06 <}> oh I get it now 13:31:07 <|amethyst> I kind of think it should be 13:31:31 <|amethyst> one intelligent branch, one animal branch 13:31:42 <|amethyst> though I guess swamp isn't strictly an animal branch anymore 13:31:52 <}> snake isnt strictly intelligent either 13:32:04 it's pretty intelligent 13:32:09 seems lame that you might get both poison branches 13:32:13 <|amethyst> not strictly, but nothing is strictly 13:32:30 spider is nearly strictly unintelligent 13:32:45 <|amethyst> true, other than uniques and entropy weavers 13:33:32 <}> so if there would be an elf alternative would it have to fit the same theme? lots of magic? 13:33:39 <|amethyst> not necessarily 13:34:38 <|amethyst> before spider was added, Lair just picked two at random with no concern for theme 13:34:59 <|amethyst> and for a while after it was added, it was (for testing) Spider + one other at random 13:35:27 <|amethyst> I mean, it should be something that makes sense for its dungeon location 13:35:36 i feel like the key thing is the big pile of loot at the end 13:35:41 that's the elf thing 13:35:43 extra danger, extra loot 13:35:47 <|amethyst> yeah, probably that should be similar 13:35:53 <|amethyst> the branches should have similar function 13:36:14 <|amethyst> and roughly similar difficulty 13:36:30 <|amethyst> but of course that's hard to quantify because it varies across character builds 13:37:13 <|amethyst> another thing I'd like to see at some point, but it probably makes more sense for a portal vault 13:37:37 <|amethyst> is two branches that both appear, but the player has to pick one or the other 13:37:57 <|amethyst> I mean, explicitly, not the occasional random thing that happens with portal vaults 13:38:14 <}> Would they appear next to each other? 13:38:15 <|amethyst> (where if you're fast and lucky you might be able to do both) 13:38:20 <|amethyst> that was my though 13:38:21 <|amethyst> t 13:45:59 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:52:51 -!- zxc has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:54:55 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:56:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:06 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:43 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:07:40 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:13:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:15:09 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:25 re: Elf, I'd like to hear about receptions to recent stuff done to the branch 14:17:24 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:26 like if having piles of summoner-conjurers hoping to be luckier than nergalle as the base monster for the branch really works out 14:17:44 <}> i like the new elf, but even despite the changes sitting in a killhole is the easiest way to do it 14:18:20 luckier than nergalle? 14:18:36 also, which branches aren't made easier by killholes? 14:18:40 abyss, maybe? 14:18:44 <}> swamp 14:18:48 <}> cant really make killholes there 14:18:49 <}> :D 14:18:54 <|amethyst> ? 14:18:55 <}> (due to not having walls) 14:18:57 disintegrate a couple of trees 14:19:13 swamp's defense is more of this thing, called awaken forest 14:19:27 @??deep elf mage 14:19:27 deep elf mage (06e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 35-47 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 570 | Sp: b.cold (3d17), throw icicle (3d17), sum.ice beast, blink / b.draining (3d17), sum.demon, sum.vermin, blink / b.fire (3d17), sticky flame range (3d5), sum.fire elementals, blink / b.lightning (3d16), blink / b.magma (3d17), stone arrow (3d15), sum.earth elemen.. 14:19:34 limited druid count 14:19:39 of course 14:19:42 <|amethyst> obvious solution, Grasping Bricks 14:19:52 <|amethyst> as a monster earth/sum spell 14:19:58 <|amethyst> or earth/tmut, whatever 14:20:09 deep elf knight (10e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 43-58 | AC/EV: 1/16 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 803 | Sp: stone arrow (3d18), mystic blast (3d16), haste / throw icicle (3d20), haste, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:20:09 <}> %??deep elf knight 14:20:19 <}> i think those are some of the more interesting enemies in crawl 14:20:22 <}> deep elf knight 14:20:27 pf: I was referring off-hand to what... is probably only a 3/6 attempt to make an elemental and then blast bolts through it 14:20:28 ...really? 14:20:38 <}> wait those arent the ones with blink 14:20:38 @ } 14:20:40 haha 14:20:43 @??deep elf archer 14:20:44 deep elf archer (07e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-57 | AC/EV: 3/15 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 664 | Sp: blink away, slow, confuse, repel missiles | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:20:45 ? 14:20:47 <}> yes that one 14:20:49 archers are not knights. 14:20:57 they're similar threats, maybe, notionally 14:21:01 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest21181 14:21:12 <|amethyst> Deep Elf Far Knight 14:21:13 sitll not fond of them both having master archer and blink away 14:21:16 one or the other, imo 14:21:23 <|amethyst> Deep Elf Near Knight 14:21:32 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:21:35 probably would cut master archer first then 14:21:39 |amethyst: wasn't that the point of the elementalists' turn-walls-into-earth-elementals thing? 14:21:41 regret-index: yeah 14:21:48 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah 14:21:49 imo that property should be rare and limited 14:22:08 <|amethyst> shoot while adjacent? 14:22:11 have I aired out my greivances with elementalists in this channel, I wonder 14:22:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:22:24 <|amethyst> the thing is, caster monsters do shoot while adjacent 14:22:39 casters don't blast 100% of the time when adjascent :P 14:22:43 <|amethyst> true :) 14:22:57 (clearly need more afs...) 14:23:27 <|amethyst> IMO tunable AI with "chance to take a shot from distance N" tunable knob 14:23:41 <|amethyst> and then we can have mon-think-data.h 14:24:16 why, though 14:25:03 -!- Guest21181 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25:17 <|amethyst> I suppose there are plenty of other knobs already 14:27:48 imo making monster ai more complex is generally bad 14:27:59 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:28:11 predictability is fun, as a player 14:28:27 (necrodancer) 14:28:33 :) 14:28:44 because it lets you evolve tactics - e.g. moving next to centaurs to effectively disarm them 14:28:45 <|amethyst> Berzerk :P 14:28:55 <|amethyst> but yeah 14:29:47 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:30:25 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:44 <|amethyst> I'd guess I'd like to see more variety in that... I don't see a problem with saying "elven archers are too smart for that shit" 14:30:56 <|amethyst> rather than "the very best elven archers are too smart for that shit" 14:31:18 sometimes variety is in and of itself diluting. 14:31:18 <|amethyst> I mean fundamentally 14:33:10 maybe if there weren't yaktaurs, centaurs, faun and satyrs, sharpshooters, and javelineers as other defined-by-ranged monsters which need such discrete metering out of tricks 14:33:11 <|amethyst> btw, semi-related but only semi- 14:33:30 <|amethyst> why do we not have player penalties for point-blank ranged? 14:33:47 playerbase screaming 14:34:16 <|amethyst> I think Lasty's plans would induce much more screaming than that :) 14:34:55 * regret-index shrugs. 14:35:41 how about penalties for long range instead 14:35:52 On another topic, could sublimation please be removed? 14:36:14 The problem is when you find it and regen spell, the optimum is to use both of them for hp+mana recovery 14:36:18 instead of 5ing 14:36:33 and its super tedious 14:37:18 not only is that quite the sacrifice of the combat dynamic, the unreliability of sublim makes that sound awkward 14:37:58 No, out of combat 14:38:11 yes, I know 14:39:50 <|amethyst> regret-index: hmm... to some extent I would like to see "discrete metering out of tricks" (or maybe analog), but I guess it's more important for melee monsters 14:42:21 in some completely different roguelike it'd probably be interesting to be more modular than dividing with classes 14:46:02 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:49:35 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:55:32 -!- thetao has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:57:27 -!- Zargon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:28 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:02:28 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04:18 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:05:29 |amethyst: it makes weapon-switching even more necessary w/ ranged combat, and weapon-switching can be quite irritating. Giving ranged penalties at short range would be less intrusive after I induce the screaming. 15:08:23 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:08:36 assume a perfectly spherical crawl character- 15:11:23 <}> in a perfect vacuum 15:12:11 <|amethyst> Lasty: btw, I forget, are you adding OBJ_LAUNCHERS ? 15:12:27 |amethyst: yeah, that was the plan. 15:12:34 <|amethyst> cool 15:12:53 I've only barely started work on the project, so I might start over w/ less code rot. 15:13:17 When I get a chance to work on it much. 15:16:01 Tho it might be best if I do something about throwing before I even start on all that -- it's just far too strong right now, and it's a serious balance issue. 15:17:31 <|amethyst> make it take a hand to quiver throwables :) 15:18:07 <|amethyst> (well, to throw them, quivering is secondary) 15:18:46 <|amethyst> I guess that just means swap to 1h weapon and have the same tedium as for launchers 15:18:49 <|amethyst> :/ 15:20:03 <|amethyst> (along with not getting warnings if you forget to swap back) 15:22:03 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:40 haha, yeah 15:23:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:23:21 I was thinking of moving them back to being more like weapons in terms of how their damage and speed is calculated 15:23:37 which at least would make it possible to make them no more broken than other ranged weapons 15:25:33 <|amethyst> what about making launchers cheaper in time for consecutive shots? 15:25:36 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:25:51 <|amethyst> with a steep delay for the first shot 15:26:01 oh here's a fun bug(?). macros apply while you're in the (=) menu 15:26:29 i was trying to assign a spell to c, but i have c macro'd to something 15:26:30 <|amethyst> simulates the swapping cost, without actually having to swap 15:26:32 so i can't do it 15:29:49 <|amethyst> I can't replicate here... which UI? 15:29:54 ranged weapons getting penalties at short range is something that's been frequently suggested by players and shot down by devs as far as i recall, not the other way around 15:30:09 <|amethyst> and it's a macro, not a keymap? 15:31:38 oh 15:31:49 i accidentally made a keymap, yeah. i just checked that 15:31:54 rip 15:31:57 <|amethyst> though sadly 15:32:12 <|amethyst> with a keymap it's inconsistent... 15:32:36 <|amethyst> if you're in the spell/inv menu (the first choice) the keymap isn't applied 15:32:48 <|amethyst> only when it's at the prompt (the second choice) 15:33:30 <|amethyst> Oh, btw, I think we suggest somewhere in our docs macroing ===hit_closest_nomove or such? 15:34:24 <|amethyst> we might want to consider changing the suggestion and adding a keybinding (not a keymap, but the other thing that sends post-mapping keys to commands) 15:34:50 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:35:00 !tell rast-- the problem is regen, not sublim 15:35:01 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let rast-- know. 15:35:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 15:35:09 <|amethyst> because we do have a CMD_ for that, and the macro version doesn't work with autofight_warning 15:35:43 <|amethyst> regen spell should at the very least use enough food that it's not a net benefit to food consumption to use it to heal 15:36:06 <|amethyst> (not that food is necessarily a sufficient solution) 15:36:16 <|amethyst> s/to heal/to rest/ 15:37:10 -!- Tiltorax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:37:13 |amethyst: I haven't heard the decreasing-attack-speed-on-repeat-use suggestion. What are some of the upsides to that approach? 15:39:21 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:40:25 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 15:40:56 <|amethyst> overall I was thinking more like "make the first shot more expensive than it is currently" 15:41:42 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:54 <|amethyst> mostly as compensation for removing the need to spend a turn swapping weapons 15:42:39 <|amethyst> so I guess the upside is "simulation of old behaviour" which isn't much of one :) 15:42:54 haha 15:43:35 <|amethyst> make the speed of a shot proportional to the angle between your last target and this one 15:44:10 <|amethyst> s/speed/delay/ 15:44:24 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:27 <|amethyst> and affine, not proportional, don't want an infinite-speed machine gun if you retarget 15:44:29 And the delay goes away entirely if the player can type in the exact angle! 15:45:39 <|amethyst> hm 15:45:46 <|amethyst> so I guess one question is 15:45:55 <|amethyst> will a launcher be something everybody wants? 15:46:13 In RangedReformCrawl? 15:46:13 <|amethyst> if it doesn't cost a weapon slot to use 15:46:15 <|amethyst> yeah 15:46:17 Yes 15:46:31 sort of like right now everyone wants to carry around stones or javelins 15:46:32 <|amethyst> unless they're going with throwing I guess 15:46:36 yeah 15:47:47 Eventually players that don't train their launcher will probably ditch it because it isn't doing much for them 15:47:51 (again, pretty much like now) 15:48:36 <|amethyst> are they incompatible with shields? 15:49:04 Interesting question, and I don't think we ever settled it definitively. I'm inclined to say their interaction w/ shields is the same as the weapons would have now. 15:49:18 <|amethyst> Lasty: I was kind of thinking the other way 15:49:23 <|amethyst> Lasty: they'd work the way shields work 15:49:41 Oh, interesting 15:49:44 <|amethyst> I don't know though 15:49:47 as in you can have a shield or a launcher but not both 15:49:56 <|amethyst> they'd have to be as expensive to swap as shields 15:50:06 <|amethyst> Lasty: possibly also with the 1h weapon restriction, I dunno 15:50:08 I was thinking they'd be as expensive to swap as shields 15:50:27 which arguably means I should add them to the W key instead of the w key 15:50:41 <|amethyst> P 15:50:44 which would save code :p 15:51:00 <|amethyst> I guess jewellery is also cheap, never mind 15:51:03 <|amethyst> merge w and P 15:51:10 haha 15:51:12 sold! 15:51:14 <|amethyst> leave W out of it 15:51:36 Adding them to W would also solve the question, "how do you stop wielding a launcher?" 15:51:51 s/wielding/equipping/ 15:51:57 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:52:18 <|amethyst> ooh, and you can retile the launchers as shields with arrow-launchers built in 15:52:27 <|amethyst> (okay, maybe not) 15:53:01 hahaha 15:53:38 -!- Galewind has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:00 -!- kuniqs has quit [Client Quit] 16:09:07 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:17:07 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest55387 16:23:51 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:23:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:46 currently /random chooses a random effect from: (1) anythign that a wand can currently do (2) except not /heal wounds (3) and including /cold and /frost, which no longer exist 16:28:16 does that special case really need to exist? it seems much simpler to at least remove /frost and /cold 16:31:28 oh, and fireball instead of iceblast 16:33:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 16:33:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:39:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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If anyone would prefer to keep the item, please let me know. 17:44:55 i also think it'd be fine to have it be consistent with existing wands, anyway 17:44:58 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:14 %git 6f661db7440e4ae78df8f093bdbdf8b46d2d12eb 17:45:14 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1194-g6f661db: Remove various wands 10(8 weeks ago, 35 files, 137+ 212-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f661db7440e 17:45:25 i didn't even realize /invis is gone 17:45:31 <|amethyst> Lasty: what about turning it into an XP evocable instead? 17:45:40 <|amethyst> Lasty: with a duration rather than "as long as you hold it" 17:45:48 |amethyst: would the effect be the same? 17:46:10 that actually sounds like it could be pretty cool 17:46:17 <|amethyst> reduced los and summon some number of shadows, maybe haunting the target 17:46:30 It would be dramatically different to be able to attack while the effect is active. I assume we'd also remove the spellpower malus? 17:47:13 |amethyst: that would certainly remove the abusive gameplay it encourages now. 17:47:22 <|amethyst> yes, without the spellpower malus 17:47:27 i think removing it would maybe be better, in that the reduced LOS effect is fine existing just on DS and the unrand, and there are so many evokables that summon things already 17:47:34 but I do . . ^ 17:47:53 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: what about the spell? 17:47:58 oh yeah that too 17:48:03 <|amethyst> :) 17:48:10 If having more darkness effects is desireable, I'd be interested in removing Robe of Night and introducing of night as a cloak ego 17:48:10 <|amethyst> probably fine to remove it, yeah 17:48:29 -!- Idolo has quit [] 17:51:17 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:21 When removing evocables like this, I'm inclined to cut generation and flag the code that specifically supports it with a #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34. Is that the right version? 17:51:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:51:43 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:52:14 er 17:52:16 the right idea 17:52:43 sounds right to me 17:54:06 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:54:43 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:55:24 can also just make it do nothing and remove more of the supporting code, then all that needs to stick around with #ifdefs is mostly just enums 17:56:45 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:56:52 Gotcha. Looks like with ebony casket, we changed it to MISC_BUGGY_EBONY_CASKET. If I take that approach, I assume I'd want to make it a buggy lantern of shadows. 17:57:37 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:44 yeah, just something to make it clear that it's a removed item and that it's a bug if it generates in new games 17:59:10 definitely do not like the idea of los-shrinkage available to nearly all characters in the form of a cloak ego 17:59:16 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-1638-g9da0743: Update effects produced by /random 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9da07436c78d 17:59:44 Fair! 17:59:55 poor "having random effects have random effects rather than just wand duplication" 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:14 I still think nightstalker is excessively strong / influential and should be a grouped-fascet with only one part of los shrinkage, too, but that requires more ideas 18:01:17 <|amethyst> I would call it "removed lantern of shadows" or something in game thoug 18:01:18 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:19 <|amethyst> h 18:01:32 <|amethyst> otherwise there will be bug reports for transferred games 18:01:50 |amethyst: yeah 18:01:52 and the darkness spell is awkward because of hexes and is kind of good only for zigging but 18:01:56 |amethyst: lantern of medium light 18:01:58 * regret-index shrugs a bunch 18:02:12 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 18:02:14 <|amethyst> "dead lantern" 18:02:32 regret-index: there was a decent proposal for a nightstalker species in the tavern. If we do decide it's too good for DS, that could be an option. 18:02:40 eurgh 18:03:07 |amethyst: lantern of shadows hermit crabs 18:03:18 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:27 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:04:48 <|amethyst> regret-index: is that a monster that reduces your LOS when it's in your (pre-reduced) LOS? 18:05:02 clearly 18:08:54 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:09:59 MON_SUMM_LANTERN? Monsters can use lantern of shadows?? 18:12:00 <|amethyst> no, that means "the summoner was a lantern of shadows" 18:12:28 <|amethyst> !source mon_summon_type 18:12:29 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-enum.h#l142 18:12:36 oh ah 18:12:59 <|amethyst> IMO should be MONSUMM 18:13:06 <|amethyst> rather than MON_SUM 18:13:10 -!- breadbocks has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:15:26 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:18:54 -!- CacoS_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:24:30 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:27:51 -!- jack has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:11 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:14 -!- jack is now known as Guest4489 18:29:15 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:29:52 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:31:25 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:22 -!- FireSight has quit [] 18:38:38 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:50 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:51 The build has errored. (master - 9da0743 #5142 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/118736033 18:41:51 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:43:19 03Lasty02 07* 0.18-a0-1639-g7533f42: Remove lantern of shadows 10(19 seconds ago, 25 files, 37+ 98-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7533f42c3e82 18:43:31 dang 18:43:33 rip 18:43:54 * regret-index shrugs. 18:54:53 You're too late, PleasingFungus! Nothing can save it now. 18:56:29 ya rip 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:04:42 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:05:34 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:05:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:08:58 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:40 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:10:13 rip 19:10:13 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1639-g7533f42 (34) 19:11:27 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:49 -!- Guest4489 is now known as Blade- 19:15:41 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:18:04 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:18:58 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:26:30 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:31:12 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:31:13 The build passed. (master - 7533f42 #5143 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/118741243 19:31:13 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:33:25 -!- vasya_ has quit [] 19:35:21 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:40:16 -!- Bestenial has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:47:05 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 19:52:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:53:48 -!- Poncheis has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 19:53:52 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:17 -!- bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:02:07 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:09:35 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:10:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:10:47 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:53 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:04 -!- koboldina has joined ##crawl-dev 20:16:28 hey, does anyone know off the top of their heads if some or all of the dcss splash screens are released under creative commons? 20:20:11 have you checked in the official dcss creative commons repo 20:21:09 was having trouble finding it at first but I just did 20:21:17 looks like the answer is yes for the ones I wanted to use -- thanks! 20:21:29 :) 20:21:34 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21:49 -!- xnavy has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:22:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:24:44 -!- Enthusiasm has quit [] 20:29:19 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:23 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:53 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 20:51:46 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:12 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:55:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:55:33 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:06 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:10:16 -!- duralumin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:05 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:17:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:18:10 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:18:58 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:18:58 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:19:08 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 21:19:34 -!- Cenon has quit [*.net *.split] 21:20:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Client Quit] 21:22:18 -!- punpun has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:22:29 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:05 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:35:56 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:36:36 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:38:10 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 21:41:27 -!- serQ has quit [Changing host] 21:43:12 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43:13 -!- Cenon has quit [*.net *.split] 21:55:02 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:03 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:01:20 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:51 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:01:51 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:06:23 amalloy_: belatedly, but your /random changes seems reasonable 22:06:34 if that matters to you 22:06:35 :) 22:13:21 -!- Culka has quit [*.net *.split] 22:24:41 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:26:31 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:27 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:27:48 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 22:28:07 -!- wheals has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:28:11 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 22:31:16 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32:03 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:33:11 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 22:36:29 -!- Cenon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:36:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:39:15 -!- jack has joined ##crawl-dev 22:39:21 -!- jack is now known as Blade-- 22:39:43 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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