00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:10 -!- Guest99948 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:01:13 -!- SpiritFryer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:01:28 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:15 -!- punpun has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:04:26 -!- jack has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:26 -!- jack is now known as Blade- 00:04:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:06:32 @??ancient lich spells:iron_shot.20.wizard 00:06:32 ancient lich (00L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 90-126 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 2013(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6490 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:06:49 @??deep elf annihilator hd:27 00:06:49 deep elf annihilator (12e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 105-142 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 4516 | Sp: b.lightning (3d29), crystal spear (3d48), blink, iron shot (3d44), poison arrow (3d34) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:06:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: IMO add a new constructor to random_var 00:07:28 <|amethyst> hm 00:07:40 okay, passive thunder clouds + good roll on primal wave does outpace a good roll on ancient lich earth conjurations, hrm 00:07:51 <|amethyst> I guess random_var is somewhat expensive to copy for a large range, since it's stored as a histogram 00:08:03 we aren't using large ranges 00:08:09 nothing larger than BIG_BAND 00:08:17 which is 20 00:08:18 generally much smaller 00:08:47 most are something like 2-4, 3-6, etc 00:09:16 I thought big band was 7'7" 00:09:27 !banish regret-index 00:09:27 regret-index casts a spell. regret-index is cast into the Abyss! 00:12:22 -!- } has quit [] 00:14:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:16:01 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:40 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:18:52 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:22 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:31:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I have something that's about 13 lines shorter, though one might question the formatting of the map 00:32:42 ? 00:32:52 tell me we haven't been rewriting the same thing... 00:33:06 <|amethyst> I was just doing it for fun 00:33:27 haha 00:33:27 how far did you get? 00:34:11 <|amethyst> http://sprunge.us/POcg 00:34:21 <|amethyst> http://sprunge.us/POcg?diff sorry 00:34:51 ah, interesting 00:34:59 oh, you were rewriting torpor snails specifically? 00:35:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 00:35:04 <|amethyst> yeah 00:35:06 i was planning to leave them as special cases 00:35:09 so no overlap! 00:35:21 well, except for the name of your struct 00:35:26 <|amethyst> heh 00:37:28 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:44:38 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:45:25 -!- Galewind has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:45:33 the FAQ in the manual still says "If you worship a god who enjoys sacrifices, pay attention to your own hunger status instead of offering all corpses you come across." 00:45:51 <|amethyst> fedhas protip 00:46:19 are those ever called "sacrifices"? 00:46:26 <|amethyst> probably not :) 00:46:54 probably just change that to explicitly reference fedhas or remove it 00:47:02 <|amethyst> probably remove 00:47:02 OR add a new, innovative corpse sacrifice mechanic!!! 00:47:13 probably 00:47:40 god of corpse sacrifices. gives specific buffs for sacrificing specific corpses. 00:48:09 iyrbk 00:48:09 kcahten 00:48:31 god of gluttony: gives specific buffs for eating specific corpses. 00:48:48 ??implemented wont do[3 00:48:48 implemented wont do[3/3]: Beneficial effects from chunks. 00:49:23 well, yes 00:49:25 you get nutrition 00:49:59 that was more talking about carting around chunks from specific monsters for buffs, iirc 00:50:04 something nethacky 00:50:42 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:24 yes, I assume it was just added to that entry because the literal wording of it describes something that is definitely in the game 00:51:55 ??implemented wont do[2 00:51:55 implemented wont do[2/3]: Commands for individual monsters. (“give”, “take”, or assigning tasks like “follow me”, “attack” to single allies). This is only relevant for permanent (or very longterm) allies, and if needed, we will rather get rid of those than implementing this kind of micromanagement. 00:52:04 ghouls? 00:52:06 hm 00:52:11 ??implemented wont do[1] 00:52:11 implemented wont do[1/3]: Dual wielding. 00:52:26 tenuous... 00:52:32 well, that's the joke for [1, obv 00:53:38 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:wont_do 00:54:15 "Weapons of venom should poison chunks when butchering" eeesh this is old 00:54:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 00:56:02 <|amethyst> regret-index: it keeps coming up 00:56:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:57:01 and yet weapons of freezing/flaming turning chunks into permafood doesn't??? 00:57:53 <|amethyst> oh, I guess the recent thing I saw (don't remember where) was about killing monsters with such a weapon, not butchering 00:58:22 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1628-g61c6396 (34) 00:58:30 <|amethyst> for some reason I see "venom weapon -> poison chunks" more than "cook with swords" 00:58:32 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Client Quit] 00:59:04 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59:09 <|amethyst> you're right, the latter seems like an obvious extension and maybe something people are more likely to come up with because it's a buff 00:59:49 card combo of previously-a-pot helmet, uncooked materials, water magic, charcoal, and fire magic to produce extra fluffy rice 01:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:25 secret tech 01:00:40 drop chunks onto a helmet 01:00:48 evoke a phial of floods aimed at the helmet 01:00:51 then evoke a lamp of fire 01:01:01 New branch created: torporefactor (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/torporefactor 01:01:01 03|amethyst02 07[torporefactor] * 0.18-a0-1629-ge1e8002: Refactor torpor snail band-picking. 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 24+ 37-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e1e800212826 01:01:50 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ^ wasn't sure if you'd rather apply that on top of yours or vice versa, so now you can pick :) 01:02:00 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I changed the struct name 01:02:11 probably easier than two weeks of shampoo 01:02:27 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ... and introduced a whitespace error in the process 01:02:33 haha 01:02:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: oh well, you can clean that up :) 01:02:39 managed to dodge all name conflicts, though 01:02:43 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1628-g61c6396 (34) 01:07:34 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:09:26 i wonder what the longest monster enum is 01:09:31 MONS_DEEP_TROLL_EARTH_MAGE must come close 01:10:04 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:12:32 MONS_STARSPAWN_TENTACLE_SEGMENT 01:12:57 <|amethyst> tied with MONS_HYPERACTIVE_BALLISTOMYCETE, 01:12:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15:59 @??black draconian 01:15:59 black draconian (02d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 80-115 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 11elec+++ | XP: 1287 | Sp: b.lightning (3d19) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:16:04 @??storm dragon 01:16:04 storm dragon (12D) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 87-121 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 25, 1509(claw), 1507(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2026 | Sp: b.lightning (3d19) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:16:23 <|amethyst> quite a few longer than DTEM it looks like 01:16:24 <|amethyst> many are extinct though 01:16:34 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:52 some of the concerns left with bai_suzhen: a draconian turning into a dragon goes from cold-blooded to warm-blooded 01:17:55 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:22:03 that doesn't seem like a big problem 01:22:57 hm, tiamat is pretty much the only monster to use two rolls for band size 01:23:01 not worth supporting imo 01:24:36 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:24:49 crawl fork where the only thing changed is random2 01:24:59 ...curses, random_range 01:25:09 :) 01:26:25 -!- bgiannan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:27:48 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:29:55 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:38:24 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 01:39:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:41:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 01:42:22 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:44:33 -!- Nomi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:33 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:45 -!- TacoSundae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:51:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:04 The build passed. 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I think your band_choice can be replaced with my band_set, they're essentially the same thing 02:13:04 otherwise no real changes 02:14:03 well, really your thing doesn't need to be rewritten at all 02:14:28 rebases cleanly, too 02:14:34 hm 02:15:54 03|amethyst02 {PleasingFungus} 07* 0.18-a0-1630-g6d03055: Refactor torpor snail band-picking. 10(76 minutes ago, 1 file, 25+ 38-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6d03055a912c 02:15:58 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:16:27 can't believe i really gave robin that many monsters 02:19:41 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1628-g61c6396 (34) 02:20:18 perfect rebuild timing 02:20:21 just dodged my commits 02:21:59 -!- unmovable has quit [Changing host] 02:21:59 -!- unmovable has joined ##crawl-dev 02:22:41 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 02:23:16 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:23:23 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 02:24:23 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 02:26:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:29:51 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest67456 02:33:33 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:33 -!- Guest67456 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:34:39 -!- zxc has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:37:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38:56 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:48:18 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:48:25 huh 02:48:32 we expose ammo enchantment to lua 02:48:34 how nice 02:49:39 oh, nvm, that's base damage 02:55:11 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1630-g6d03055 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:52 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 03:11:55 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1630-g6d03055 (34) 03:16:25 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:29:35 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:29:48 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:35 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest39648 03:31:40 -!- Nimuir has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33:58 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:34:23 -!- Guest39648 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:34:26 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:11 -!- unmovable has quit [] 03:36:18 -!- Myrmidon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:36:53 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1631-ga707108: Don't treat rods as weapons 10(16 minutes ago, 15 files, 65+ 91-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a70710800997 03:37:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:32 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:41:21 -!- Patashu__ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:42:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0.1/20160315153207]] 03:42:33 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 03:43:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Use !messages to read it. 08:29:45 <|amethyst> oh, I see 08:34:14 -!- Patashu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:38:37 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1632-g29e10e8: Use is_weapon some more. 10(32 seconds ago, 3 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/29e10e806c64 08:44:21 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:52:05 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:59:27 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:10:11 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 09:11:59 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:20:31 http://i.imgur.com/bdvEHjL.png -> is the constrast better ? 09:21:17 ??v 09:21:17 v[1/3]: v will e(v)oke your weapon if possible. V will open to inventory to e(V)oke wands or other items. ^V switches normal monster colors with HP coloring. v (glyph) is a wisp or vortex-type creature (see v[2]). V (glyph) is Vampire-type creature (see V[3]). Also short for Vaults. 09:21:50 isn't the v command the easiest way to take advantage of reach? 09:22:36 also evoking rods 09:23:13 <|amethyst> Lightli: I had been thinking that rods no longer required wielding 09:23:16 <|amethyst> but that is not the case 09:24:12 <|amethyst> wasn't thinking about reaching weapons, but I'm not sure they'd be enough to be worth keep the v key on their own 09:25:03 <|amethyst> as opposed to, for example, some variant of f or t 09:25:49 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:29:30 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:43:11 -!- breadbocks has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:54:44 -!- tripout has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:56:41 -!- tw has quit [Disconnected by services] 09:57:23 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15:00 http://i.imgur.com/kpvuikn.png reading the messages 10:19:29 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:27:58 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:35 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 10:34:30 -!- genericpseudonym has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:38:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:44:39 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:26 what's the minimal screen size i have to respect 11:05:30 LOS size ? 11:05:57 if so how much is it ? 11:06:50 7+7+1 = 15x15 11:10:27 for 80x24, the game screen itself would be 35 wide ? 11:12:33 35x17 the map, 35x7 messages, and 42x24 the HUD with a gutter of 3 between map and hud ... 11:16:45 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:35 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:29 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:43:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:34 if anyone is curious, the previous monster pickup logics for rods was "do they have more base damage + enchantment than my current weapon?" 11:44:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 11:44:39 *pickup logic 11:51:34 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:36 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59:52 the +6 arbalest "Damnation" {damnation, rF++ rC- MR+} 11:59:58 can't tell if this sounds awkward now or if i'm just looking for the word hellfire :) 12:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:09 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:18 -!- radinms has quit [] 12:01:31 i'm (hopefully) fixing this weird fleeing thing where monsters don't stop fleeing when they're supposed to 12:01:41 while i'm at it, should monsters stop fleeing to zap you with wands/rods in the first place? 12:01:58 since they don't do so with eg breath attacks, ranged weapons etc any more 12:02:08 yes 12:02:31 jefus: ditto, tbh 12:02:37 i figure i'll get used to it 12:03:16 yeah it'd probably feel fine if i hadn't seen it before 12:03:42 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:52 is that a yes to "they should interrupt fleeing and zap you" (which is their current behaviour) or a yes to "they should stop doing that thing", i realise my question was poorly worded (also imo the answer is the latter) 12:04:31 or at least that would be their current behaviour if the bug were fixed, gosh i feel like i am making this much more confusing than it is 12:04:33 my interpretation of fear was that it's an uncontrollable/single-minded need to leave 12:04:41 yes to latter 12:05:36 ok yes good 12:05:47 (: 12:06:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:12:35 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:18:29 -!- tripout has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:19:07 <|amethyst> FR: a selected subset of monsters that goes into M_MAINTAIN_RANGE mode when at low HP 12:19:18 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:19:32 <|amethyst> which I guess was what the "flee at low HP but then turn to breath" thing on dragons was intended to do 12:19:39 <|amethyst> s/breath/breathe/ 12:24:04 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:25:05 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:22 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:33:30 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:37:37

are there any thoughts to spare besides the unique having to work through such finnicky stuff to function as it does, anyway idk, mpa would probably give you some critique whenever he's online next 12:37:54 sotto voce: imo link to the branch in question 12:38:08 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:38:33 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commits/bai_suzhen 12:39:11 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:39:45 MarvinPA: do you have any opinion on ^ ? d9365036f3e71f3d89 is the primary commit 12:44:09 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:48:14 -!- Stonar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:49:39 hmm, not sure on the merits of using storm clouds as a monster thing, especially on top of all the other things she does 12:50:37 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53:14 perhaps I already crossed that threshhold with the new cloud mage >_> 12:54:40 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:54:46 oh, i guess i missed that, just saw the wucad mu stuff 12:54:48 -!- rkd has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:56 @??cloud mage 12:54:56 Cloud Mage (15@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 120-178 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 3013 | Sp: cloud cone (42d1), airstrike (0-50), control winds, blink range | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:55:13 -!- West1C has quit [] 12:55:15 still a good (wrong) impact damage display there 12:55:47 iirc you, r-i, also had some concerns about the storm clouds? 12:56:01 draining and acid clouds seems a bit weird thematically 12:56:20 * regret-index shrugs about cloud mage clouds. 12:56:31 Cloud Mage (15@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 120-178 | AC/EV: 0/13 | Dam: 6 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 3013 | Sp: mephitic cloud, freezing cloud (2d30), poisonous cloud (3d12), airstrike (0-50), blink range | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:56:31 %??cloud mage 12:57:20 if freezing and poisonous clouds are acceptable because of the spells which have air magic in them, then surely draining and acid isn't much worse 12:57:24 freezing and meph are sort of more cloud-y clouds at least, as opposed to a bunch negative energy 12:57:32 hmph :P 12:58:04 negative energy is the one that seems particularly off to me at least 12:58:11 cloud-y cloud 12:58:16 what's the cloudiest cloud? 12:58:23 white fluff. 12:58:26 ^ 12:59:07 ...do we have that? 12:59:25 oh, is that the cloud mage rename thing? 12:59:27 the cloud mage wizlab has vault-defined clouds of white fluffiness 12:59:29 yep 12:59:33 huh 12:59:52 I guess those won't show up in ?/C 13:00:02 yeah, they're just renamed fog i think 13:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:12 renamed grey smoke, specifically 13:01:22 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest62994 13:02:00 anyway, I am reluctant to go and e.g. make a storm cloud spell for the cloud mage here 13:02:39 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 13:04:22 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:33 ...oh, right, the unique 13:04:55 are you not allowed to say the name? 13:05:11 coincidence 13:05:53 -!- Guest62994 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:07:45 the storm clouds are meant to further distinguish the transformation more than a defenses shift + equipment drop + spell shift (...), change the means in which shallow water allows her to outswim stuff, and... makes her actually Depths dangerous, 13:08:43 and I was worried that it's going to be a painful learning experience for much more people to have to learn that storm clouds are basically double-Nikolas but stuff like Nikola is already rough to learn 13:12:16 PleasingFungus: C is cards. clouds are on L 13:12:22 feh!!! 13:12:48 much of crawl is stuck with imperfect reference letters 13:12:55 like how giants are on C 13:13:11 or how cocytus is on X 13:13:29 hm 13:13:43 b.s. can 'roar in fury' when transforming even if silenced 13:14:06 okay fine I will actually use "bai suzhen" if that makes you stop using "b.s." 13:14:13 too late 13:14:15 also, i sort of wonder about summon hydra 13:16:03 it covers green snake, nothing else uses summon hydra, they're short enough duration that it hardly matters if they'd get zapped by storm clouds in the crossover and they also benefit from the shallow water made by the rain clouds 13:16:39 and it emphasizes the shift more to go from summon spell to conjure breath 13:17:32 those weren't my concerns 13:17:43 then what are you concerns 13:18:11 it's complexity - i feel like a monster with rain clouds & summon hydra is already a solidly complex design in itself. it's something that no other monster has, which feels weird. and it's very threatening - possibly moreso than the transformed version 13:18:23 the last is the one i'm most torn about 13:20:53 it takes a character with very bad defenses for lair branches (much less depths) to be more threatened by hydras than the random bursts of 100-ish elec damage of being in melee of something with better defenses than those hydras 13:21:18 (...of course, one could just quaff resistance.) 13:22:04 the risk is about positioning and escape routes being sealed off with hydras 13:22:53 * regret-index shrugs. 13:23:28 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:23:50 trample and primal wave breath forces repositions too (if not locking down, no) 13:24:47 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1632-g29e10e8 (34) 13:27:27 sure, pushes back 13:27:37 sort of the opposite 13:28:15 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:29:56 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:33:10 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:43 -!- insouciance has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:36:27 -!- jehoesefat has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:36:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:37:11 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:42:29 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:43:42 -!- Adumb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:54:58 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:57:36 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:04:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:07:46 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 14:10:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 14:24:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:28:15 -!- Doesnty has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:32:37 @??caustic shrike skeleton 14:32:37 caustic shrike skeleton (15Z) | Spd: 18 | HD: 18 | HP: 110-147 | AC/EV: 2/11 | Dam: 28 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1446 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 14:32:40 @??spark wasp zombie 14:32:40 spark wasp zombie (07Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 12 | HP: 83-116 | AC/EV: 7/9 | Dam: 26 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(16), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 748 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 14:32:57 @??spark wasp 14:32:57 spark wasp (11y) | Spd: 15 | HD: 12 | HP: 57-77 | AC/EV: 9/14 | Dam: 3311(elec:12-17) | fly | Res: 06magic(40), 11elec+++ | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1219 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d18) [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 14:33:01 huh, high ac 14:33:40 going to repair pleasuredromes one last time by meticulously using only depths spawns 14:36:15 ...sphinxes are still speed 11? I thought all speed 11s were forced to 10/12 a long time ago 14:38:08 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:22 [T]ransfer your save to the latest version (0.18-a0-1632-g29e10e8)? 14:38:23 Transferring...: successful! 14:38:24 ASSERT(is_weapon(item)) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 2052 failed. 14:38:30 :'( 14:38:36 hm, that's my fault 14:38:39 rip 14:38:41 8-) 14:38:44 can you give me a save dump? 14:38:56 i forget how to get one myself 14:39:04 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:51 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/Jefus-crawl-git-29e10e806c-160325-1439.tar.bz2 14:40:34 tyvm! 14:40:39 np:) 14:41:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ah, I see the problem 14:41:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if (!is_weapon(item) && item.base_type != OBJ_RODS) {...} else if (species == SP_FELID) {...} 14:41:42 <|amethyst> but no case handles rods wielded by non-felids, so it falls through to is_weapon_wieldable 14:42:01 whoops 14:42:03 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: probably just else if (item.base_type == OBJ_RODS) { return true; } 14:42:17 <|amethyst> err, without the { } I guess 14:42:31 penismucher (L27 TrWn) ASSERT(is_weapon(item)) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 2052 failed. (Tar:7) 14:42:32 <|amethyst> hm, how did this affect cursed rods btw? 14:43:10 -!- yesno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:43:39 good q 14:43:47 <|amethyst> hm 14:43:56 -!- Grunt has left ##crawl-dev 14:43:56 <|amethyst> I think it prevents you from uncursing them with ?rc 14:44:07 <|amethyst> not sure if they're still stuck 14:44:11 !tell wheals How attached are you to Gyre&Gimble? 14:44:11 Lasty_: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 14:44:12 Lasty_: OK, I'll let wheals know. 14:44:21 I'm pretty attached to gyre and gimble! 14:44:24 attached at the hilt 14:44:40 <|amethyst> can change the implementation of OSEL_CURSED_WORN in invent.cc probably 14:45:06 not super much 14:45:15 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:24 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1633-g35ced28: Fix a rod crash (Jefus, |amethyst) 10(44 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35ced28bf4c7 14:45:30 still kind of surprised at them not being made to actually have e.g. flaming / freezing and thus not be so bland 14:45:34 one possibility is to make it two long swords or whatever, if a two-handed short blade is too weird 14:45:54 yay, thx 14:46:06 jefus: good name 14:46:18 wheals: two long swords -- like actually setting up dual-wielding instead of fake dual-wielding>? 14:46:38 i would assume not 14:46:46 still fake dual-wielding, just a separate weapon type 14:46:48 is there some issue with them right now? 14:46:50 wheals, ;) 14:46:51 oh, ah 14:46:56 yeah idk what the current problem with them is 14:47:07 beyond possibly being a little weak or unexciting 14:47:09 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest85017 14:47:25 wheals: Mostly I just don't like that they're message-spammy and require (IIRC) some special code support that wouldn't need to exist w/o them 14:47:38 wheals: but maybe I'm mistaken about the code support 14:48:09 clearly, if they're buffed, then they won't spam as many messages, since they won't need to attack as much- 14:48:14 :p 14:48:14 git grep GYRE | wc -l 14:48:16 8 14:48:17 i think it's relatively small since it piggy-backs on cleaving 14:48:31 -!- Rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:48:32 yeah 14:48:35 <|amethyst> there is a little bit of special case code for the messaging 14:48:55 <|amethyst> so it changes name from Gyre to Gimble in the middle of the attack 14:49:15 I mean, the "interesting" thing about the weapon is that it's pretending to be two weapons; it doesn't really add much in terms of gameplay. 14:49:31 it's a pretty cool vine stalker weapon 14:49:32 two-handed sbl!!! 14:49:41 ??gyre 14:49:41 gyre and gimble[1/1]: A pair of +5 vorpal {quick blade}s. Essentially gives you a double-attack every time you swing them. Takes both of your hands to wield, of course! 14:49:44 PleasingFungus: true, I shouldn't forget that 14:49:55 yeah it allows going for higher base damage without training other skills, though by the time you find it that rarely matters 14:50:02 or effectively higher base dam 14:50:13 <|amethyst> it applies AC twice 14:50:18 <|amethyst> that's unique 14:50:28 <|amethyst> (for weapons) 14:50:40 the +5 wall fragments "Lee's" and "Rapid" 14:50:41 i'm not sure how to reduce the message spam without removing the dual-wielding theme though :( 14:51:11 -!- Guest85017 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 14:51:18 (the +5 grid "sand" and "blast"?) 14:51:30 <|amethyst> isn't it the same amount of message spam you'd get if doing the same amount of damage with a +5 vorpal quickblade? 14:51:40 <|amethyst> since in the latter case you'd have to make twice as many attacks 14:51:50 also, presumably making them flaming/freezing would double the message spam 14:51:51 <|amethyst> I guess more messages per turn is still a problem, because of -More- 14:52:16 yeah 14:53:11 <|amethyst> Maybe we should stop printing monster wounds to the message area? 14:53:30 <|amethyst> don't we show those elsewhere in all interfaces these days? 14:53:49 <|amethyst> either the monster list colour or a health bar or something 14:53:58 We do, though in console, with enough monsters around you need to ctrl-X to see that info 14:54:08 <|amethyst> oh, right, it's not sorted by distance 14:54:19 <|amethyst> so the monster you're attacking might not be visible in the list 14:54:24 console players :) 14:54:34 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:54:36 <|amethyst> (or for that matter you might not have room for 8 monsters there) 14:54:42 hm, actually i've been hammering on that one too much lately 14:54:42 |amethyst: I definitely find myself in that situation now when I'm playing fast 14:54:49 need to find something else to make fun of 14:54:58 PleasingFungus: Left-handed people? 14:55:03 wow, that's just fucked up. 14:55:25 sinister, to say the least1 14:55:33 This is how it starts!!!! 14:55:46 it's probably possible to not print wounds on the first attack 14:55:46 monster wounds are like the only thing i care about in the message area during combat, as a console player. what i *don't* need is "you miss the so-and-so." "the so-and-so hits you." 14:56:01 but a nice colour-coded thing about how close i am to killing that thing is real handy 14:56:24 "your shield and armour prevent you from hitting the goblin." man i don't care 14:56:41 it's so possible that elliptic did it 14:56:42 %git 7448f469075e 14:56:42 07elliptic02 * 0.17-a0-21-g7448f46: Reduce Gyre/Gimble message spam. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7448f469075e 14:56:56 surely being informed of an unseen horror is an important message at least once 14:57:46 Yeah, but that's the message, "Your autopickup has been deactivated" or whatever 14:58:02 what if your autopickup... was already off...! 14:58:25 Then you're already under attack from unseen somethings! 14:58:35 and you should be already taking the appropriate measures 14:58:40 clearly, you specifically and only print 'your attack misses something' 14:58:49 as opposed to 'your attack misses the goblin' 14:59:03 'your attack fails' 14:59:05 you can probably do that with the rcfile 15:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:05 <|amethyst> all the things we put on $boring: in dat/defaults/messages.txt could be put on mute: instead 15:00:12 <|amethyst> I don't know about doing that by default 15:00:14 if dpeg was still alive today, he'd tell us that we should strive to have good rcfile defaults. 15:00:37 <|amethyst> I think hiding messages about missing things would not be a good default 15:00:59 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:02 <|amethyst> at least not for new players 15:01:13 |amethyst: yeah, I think things should be fully verbose for new players 15:01:13 "since when do we care about new players" 15:02:08 <|amethyst> maybe we can ship with a not-enabled-by-default rc file which quiets that down 15:02:26 agreed wrt new players, i was replying to wheals 15:02:39 sort of as more of a general statement 15:02:40 and also a joke 15:04:13 what is in $boring? 15:05:11 (and how would i mute it, i guess) 15:05:20 -!- } has quit [] 15:05:23 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:49 pleasingfungus: why do torpor snails have a depths band when they don't spawn in depths 15:06:59 there's a vault 15:07:03 also they used to spawn in depths 15:07:09 the latter is the actual reason 15:07:33 probably could trim the depths stuff without causing problems 15:07:57 !lg * kmap~~pf_torpor 15:07:58 52. phlebas the Thaumaturge (L12 DEFE of Vehumet), mangled by an eight-headed hydra (kmap: pf_torpor_hydra) on Lair:3 on 2016-03-12 00:49:36, with 20243 points after 17784 turns and 1:08:03. 15:08:00 oops, hm 15:08:04 !lg * kmap~~pf_snail 15:08:05 5. tyvek the Warrior (L25 DsBe of Trog), splashed by a caustic shrike's acid on Depths:3 (pf_snail_temple) on 2016-01-08 17:26:09, with 559406 points after 48695 turns and 3:35:58. 15:08:10 rip 15:08:21 !lg * map~~pf_snail 15:08:22 9. MenacingMecha the Executioner (L23 HOFi of Okawaru), demolished by a deep troll earth mage on Depths:4 (pf_snail_temple) on 2016-02-26 13:47:35, with 422782 points after 64794 turns and 9:05:31. 15:09:22 always these arbitrary branch population shifts for a branch cobbled together 15:09:43 ? 15:10:01 regret-index: are you referring to my all-shrike-depths push? 15:10:29 still making a new set to repair the damage done in 77d26e86b1808a 15:11:05 %git 77d26e86b1808a 15:11:05 07Grunt02 * 0.17-a0-2032-g77d26e8: Prune a long and aggravating-to-maintain monster set. 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 46+ 94-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77d26e86b180 15:11:14 ahh 15:11:14 your nemesis, ofc 15:11:28 !lg * cv=0.18-a br=Depths s=kmap 15:11:29 1142 games for * (cv=0.18-a br=Depths): 624x, 30x hangedman_pleasuredromes, 26x uniq_enchantress, 19x grunt_runaround, 18x hangedman_slaughterboxes, 16x box_level_dp, 16x grunt_twisty_corner, 14x grunt_profane_halls, 13x hangedman_box_tower, 13x grunt_runaround; grunt_runaround_loot, 13x grunt_bent_corner, 9x uniq_sojobo, 8x hangedman_spin_cycle, 7x hangedman_arch_fort, 7x minmay_central_circle, 7... 15:11:46 !lg * cv=0.17|0.18-a br=Depths kmap!~uniq s=kmap 15:11:46 2021 games for * (cv=0.17|0.18-a br=Depths kmap!~uniq): 1170x, 58x hangedman_pleasuredromes, 32x grunt_runaround, 31x box_level_dp, 29x grunt_profane_halls, 29x hangedman_slaughterboxes, 23x grunt_twisty_corner, 23x grunt_runaround; grunt_runaround_loot, 21x grunt_bent_corner, 18x hangedman_box_tower, 13x hangedman_spin_cycle, 12x minmay_central_circle, 12x grunt_x_marks_the_spot, 12x hangedman_ar... 15:12:22 * regret-index sighs. 15:13:18 you should embrace a positive outlook 15:13:48 |amethyst: fwiw, i'm not sure you can currently get a cursed rod 15:13:53 like a tmons to the face 15:13:56 so testing is a pain 15:14:01 need to transfer 15:14:23 probably the right solution is just to uncurse any cursed rod 15:14:29 on save transfer 15:16:39 PleasingFungus: Ash can't curse a rod? 15:17:49 it's no longer a weapon 15:17:52 we could special case it, maybe 15:18:17 oh, this is good 15:18:22 it eats a scroll and does nothing 15:18:24 i wonder 15:18:53 hm, other things you can't curse correctly inform you 15:19:22 impromptu poll: should rods be curseable 15:20:30 -!- Myrmidon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:20:33 probably not, now? 15:20:57 what is the current status of rods even, for reference 15:21:04 they're not weapons 15:21:06 other non-weapons that you might wield aren't (lantern of shadows, decks) 15:21:12 true 15:21:48 then agreeing with no curses 15:22:29 (...people wield decks? is the inventory interface really that bad compared to not being optimal???) 15:22:32 dang, minotaur buff 15:22:46 can non-nemelexers use decks without wielding them these days 15:22:48 you used to have to wield decks to invoke them 15:22:55 PleasingFungus: yes 15:23:28 I meant after that was changed, yes 15:24:00 communicating that kind of interface change can be difficult 15:24:31 besides which we stil have a ridiculous number of tiles players who think the only way to use anything is to do it from the inventory menu 15:25:17 Speaking of things I kinda want to remove, lantern of shadows. 15:26:08 -!- Piginabag has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:35 any particular reason? 15:28:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:28:40 It's very strong, and it's main strength/purpose is to kill monsters by holding it and running away from them until shadows finish them off, and the trick is repeatable every time you get more MP to spend. Even if the shadow-generating effect were removed, it'd be quite strong to be able to suddenly remove anything at the edge of LOS from LOS very quickly by wielding it. 15:29:04 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1633-g35ced28 (34) 15:29:48 is the latter really true 15:30:02 <|amethyst> you can already do that by walking away from them 15:30:10 <|amethyst> if it's just one thing at the edge of LOS 15:30:13 <|amethyst> or many things at one edge 15:30:14 |amethyst: for most races, walking away is slower 15:30:40 doesn't require an item, wielding, etc - seems marginal 15:31:20 imo the other argument is much stronger 15:31:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1634-ga36aebb: Don't allow cursing rods 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a36aebbe40e5 15:31:33 PleasingFungus: it sounds like you're saying that if it didn't generate shadows, it wouldn't be worth having exist. Do you think the shadow-generating effect is a good one? 15:31:33 re 'it is a kite item' 15:31:48 Lasty_: it's an item i've never really used 15:31:53 it's not very exciting to me 15:32:01 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: poor ashenzari evokers 15:32:05 rip 15:32:17 PleasingFungus: I agree with that -- though it's strong, it feels weak/boring 15:32:33 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think there's still some Ash code for giving evo bonuses with wielded rods 15:32:40 yeah, i'm about to go hunting for that 15:33:05 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: also, I don't think you want do_uncurse_item 15:33:25 hm, i don't think there is 15:33:31 looks like you only get an evo bonus for elemental staves 15:33:41 I honestly don't think lantern of shadows is that strong compared to other evocables. The big issue is that its main benefit--reduced LoS--is cancelled by a huge spellcasting and stealth debuff, removing the main reasons to want reduced LoS 15:33:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, or maybe do_uncurse_item is fine... I was thinking no_ash was true by default 15:34:03 oh, i see it 15:34:25 If we did want an item that can be equipped to give -LOS, I think it'd be much more interesting in a wear slot, e.g. cloak of night, but of course that steps on the Robe of Night 15:34:27 <|amethyst> I guess do_uncurse_item(item, false) would be enough 15:34:41 <|amethyst> ohh 15:34:45 it was already handled by making rods not a weapon, the only issue is the comment on line 843 15:34:48 <|amethyst> and the inscribe parameter isn't even used 15:35:06 <|amethyst> so never mind, the uncurse call does look fine 15:35:12 my blind cunning succeeds 15:35:19 crawlcode opinion: item_is_evokable(*wpn, false, false, false, false, false) 15:35:20 ? 15:35:52 <|amethyst> heh 15:36:53 <|amethyst> I think this one might be slightly better 15:36:59 <|amethyst> return weapon->name(desc, false, false, false, false, ignre_flags); 15:37:13 <|amethyst> not as many boolean literals, but "ignre_flags" 15:38:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1635-g1d07553: Update a few obsolete rod comments 10(23 seconds ago, 3 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1d07553f14d0 15:40:55 only getting Another game is already in progress using this save! 15:40:57 on cao now 15:40:59 how now brown cao 15:45:08 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:46:22 -!- thromnambular has quit [Client Quit] 15:48:43 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:04 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:21 hm, it seems like check_bondage has no reason to exist 15:52:45 oh, hm, i see 15:52:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: selectively_remove_curse looks like the only user 15:53:11 yeah 15:53:15 i think we just want to remove it 15:53:18 hmmm 15:53:25 no, that's wrong for wizmode, i guess 15:54:17 <|amethyst> it also would mean you'd get extra messages when using ?rc under ash 15:54:24 would that actually be bad? 15:54:27 <|amethyst> well 15:54:36 it's sort of annoying not knowing how bound you are until you exit the rc interface 15:54:57 <|amethyst> e.g. if you uncursed all your armour, you'd get messages about going to fully to moderately to unbound 15:55:06 <|amethyst> err s/moderately/partially/ 15:55:31 sure 15:55:56 <|amethyst> and you wouldn't see them until after leaving that screen anyway 15:56:07 yeah, that'd be the real problem, i guess 15:56:09 feh 15:56:15 <|amethyst> currently we do call ash_check_bondage after remove_curse finishes 15:56:17 also: this triggers check_bondage whenever something is generated uncursed 15:56:18 or similar 15:56:56 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so it sounds like makeitem.cc should pass false 15:57:15 <|amethyst> if the problem is the number of bools, turn it into a bitfield 15:57:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1636-g4e93e59: Remove an unused do_uncurse_item param (|amethyst) 10(49 seconds ago, 12 files, 25+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4e93e59e9370 15:57:36 i mean, there's no need to pass anything in 15:57:47 we can just check if it's in your inventory, as we are elsewhere in the function 15:57:59 <|amethyst> aha 15:59:57 <|amethyst> so then the only problem is message spam after selectively uncursing 16:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:08 yeah, i'm gonna leave that one for now 16:00:10 though it makes me sad 16:00:38 it would be nice to message your current curse status while still in the prompt 16:00:49 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1637-g109f206: Don't check bondage more than necessary 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/109f2064936e 16:00:53 but we might still need this parameter regardless, if we're using some other mechanism 16:01:17 <|amethyst> yeah 16:01:27 w/e, i can live with a 3 param function 16:01:30 false, false, false, false, false 16:01:39 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:01:44 <|amethyst> if you did want to show the message inside the menu, you'd need to do something other than mpr anyway 16:01:54 yeah 16:01:58 that's what i mean 16:02:09 <|amethyst> yeah 16:02:44 <|amethyst> jefus: I killed your process 16:02:59 <|amethyst> jefus: it was stuck at 100% CPU and not responding to even SIGABRT 16:03:21 <|amethyst> but it responded to SIGKILL 16:03:23 <|amethyst> :) 16:03:27