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04:10:01 yes 04:10:26 is it under crawl ? 04:10:31 can't seem to find it 04:10:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:11:19 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/master/crawl-ref/source/webserver 04:12:08 thx 04:13:27 so if i understand correctly, webtile is reading json on a websocket to interact with the game instance on the server ? 04:14:01 so in theory i could write my own client if i just used the same protocol 04:18:56 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 04:19:15 -!- glaas has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:25:16 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:51:15 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:55:29 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:59:16 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:01:33 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:03:40 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:04:47 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:15 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:09:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:23:18 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:23:35 -!- Cuedon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:24:49 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:27:29 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:44:50 -!- Weretaco has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:51:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:55:37 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:01:31 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:01 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:08:50 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:39:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:31 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:45:27 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:45:57 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:47:48 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 06:50:28 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:01:33 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:17 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:04:03 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:09:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:10:25 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:35:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:38:04 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:39:31 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:49:38 -!- jefus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01:33 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:03:34 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:04:03 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:04:12 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest87404 08:04:24 -!- Guest87404 is now known as debo__ 08:07:00 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:07:12 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:07:23 -!- debo__ is now known as debo 08:11:41 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:13:18 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:57 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 08:46:19 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:54:48 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:01:33 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:33 i got a wierd build error when i try to make with WEBTILES=y 09:01:56 CXX ability.o 09:01:57 In file included from /usr/include/sys/un.h:15:0, 09:01:59 from tileweb.h:11, 09:02:01 from tiles.h:65, 09:02:03 from AppHdr.h:474, 09:02:05 from ability.cc:6: 09:02:07 mon-enum.h:105:5: error: expected identifier before numeric constant 09:02:09 AF_CHAOS, 09:02:11 ^ 09:02:38 i don't have it without WEBTILES=y 09:04:53 <|amethyst> what is line 104? 09:04:57 <|amethyst> should be 09:05:01 <|amethyst> AF_STICKY_FLAME, 09:05:17 it is 09:05:30 <|amethyst> ohh 09:06:46 i have 2 warning about missing advpng and pngcrush before 09:06:54 but i don't think it's related 09:07:24 <|amethyst> AF_CHAOS as in address family for the MIT CHAOS protocol 09:07:28 <|amethyst> hmm 09:08:15 <|amethyst> what OS/libc and compiler is this? 09:08:36 i686-pc-cygwin 09:11:38 shouldn't it be renamed if it collides with something else ? 09:11:57 <|amethyst> yeah :) 09:12:26 i'll try and rename it 09:12:32 <|amethyst> I'm on it already 09:12:37 ok 09:13:03 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:13:36 !source libw32c.cc 09:13:36 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/libw32c.cc 09:13:48 seems like it's already unset there 09:13:54 <|amethyst> yeah, saw that 09:14:00 <|amethyst> doesn't help with tileweb.h 09:14:08 maybe cygwin doesn't falls there 09:14:21 right 09:14:25 <|amethyst> and I'd rather rename it than try to keep up with every system header that might define it 09:14:33 ok 09:14:48 let me know when there's a commit i can pull 09:14:57 <|amethyst> (and maybe some weird OS defined it as an enum instead of a macro? I don't think POSIX allows that, but...' 09:15:01 <|amethyst> s/'/)' 09:15:12 aren't name clashes fun 09:16:43 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 09:17:03 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:17:35 <|amethyst> if it were just a name clash we could just namespace everything 09:17:42 <|amethyst> it's a name clash with a macro :) 09:17:50 now that's fun 09:17:51 <|amethyst> s/with/vs/ 09:20:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1607-g25bef88: Correctly spell a name. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/25bef8840396 09:20:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1608-g3c404ee: Rename AF_CHAOS to AF_CHAOTIC (giann) 10(7 minutes ago, 7 files, 9+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3c404ee92106 09:23:07 <|amethyst> BTW, it would be nice if you could do something like 09:23:26 <|amethyst> using enum attflav; 09:23:54 <|amethyst> so that within this scope, you can refer to enumerators by name alone without the scope resolution 09:24:04 <|amethyst> (for enum class) 09:25:10 <|amethyst> you can't even "using attflav::chaos", or you get: "error: 'attflav' is not a namespace" 09:25:16 <|amethyst> s/or/because/ 09:27:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:56:58 i managed to run the webtile server but i don't see any tile in game, just the HUD, pngs seems fine in dat/tiles though 09:57:49 i guess my version of advpng does something unexpected 09:59:24 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:59:42 <|amethyst> hm 10:00:29 <|amethyst> if the pngs seem fine in dat/tiles then probably that's not it 10:01:05 <|amethyst> what if you try accessing the sprite sheets directly from a web browser? 10:01:33 <|amethyst> err, not "directly", still through the webtiles server 10:01:34 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:11 <|amethyst> I'm wondering if the browser is getting images it can't handle, or if it's not even getting the images 10:03:55 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:02 i have a bunch of "Failed to execute 'drawImage' on 'CanvasRenderingContext2D': The HTMLImageElement provided is in the 'broken' state." 10:07:14 but i can access thoses images directly with the generated url 10:08:09 <|amethyst> hm 10:08:18 <|amethyst> no clue unfortunately 10:09:11 <|amethyst> I guess go with your hunch and try disabling advpng (maybe pngcrush too) in the makefile? 10:09:53 <|amethyst> make NO_OPTIMIZE=y webtiles disables that, but it also turns off compiler optimizations so probably you'd prefer to edit the Makefile or to hide your advpng binary 10:10:18 <|amethyst> (might be nice to add a NO_OPTIMIZE_TILES flag) 10:12:38 i already tried replacing pngs by the originals 10:12:47 i google a bit 10:12:59 it seems that message is when the src of the img is wrong 10:13:11 maybe there's a catch in localhost 10:13:39 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:47 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:48 The build was broken. (master - 3c404ee #5104 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/117447299 10:13:48 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:19:37 the error is on the server 10:20:35 2016-03-21 15:18:54,076 ERROR: Uncaught exception GET /gamedata/6c0360f676918f360b79befd959e59ae885199b8/player.png (::1) 10:20:36 HTTPServerRequest(protocol='http', host='localhost:8080', method='GET', uri='/gamedata/6c0360f676918f360b79befd959e59ae885199b8/player.png', version='HTTP/1.1', remote_ip='::1', headers={'Accept-Language': 'en-US,en;q=0.8', 'Accept-Encoding': 'gzip, deflate, sdch', 'Host': 'localhost:8080', 'Accept': 'image/webp,image/*,*/*;q=0.8', 'User-Agent': 'Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 10:20:38 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/49.0.2623.87 Safari/537.36', 'Dnt': '1', 'Connection': 'keep-alive', 'Referer': 'http://localhost:8080/', 'Cookie': 'login=giann%20200428860326813941604217094136877435172'}) 10:20:40 Traceback (most recent call last): 10:20:42 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/tornado/web.py", line 1447, in _execute 10:20:44 self.finish() 10:20:46 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/tornado/web.py", line 933, in finish 10:20:48 self.request.finish() 10:20:50 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/tornado/httputil.py", line 393, in finish 10:20:52 self.connection.finish() 10:20:54 File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/tornado/http1connection.py", line 440, in finish 10:20:56 self._expected_content_remaining) 10:20:58 HTTPOutputError: Tried to write 746829 bytes less than Content-Length 10:21:00 2016-03-21 15:18:54,077 ERROR: Cannot send error response after headers written 10:22:41 isn't that Tornado version skew? 10:22:48 (python webserver module) 10:22:54 yes i think 10:23:05 just read the README and it says tornado 4.X doesn't work 10:24:24 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1609-g6e5dc2e: Fix monster builds for AF_CHAOTIC. 10(21 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e5dc2e23815 10:26:07 ok it works with tornado 3.2.2 10:29:38 -!- Cerpin_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:55 -!- Cerpin_ has quit [Client Quit] 10:32:58 -!- Daerik has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:36:14 -!- BlatancyHS has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:38:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:44:54 Crash in Tomb:1 while fighting ushabti 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10328 by Malevolent 10:47:00 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 10:59:14 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:01:34 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:12 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:10 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:10:46 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:11:18 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:11:26 Why don't the player scoring pages on cao update? 11:11:32 -!- Piginabag has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:22 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:23 The build has errored. (master - 6e5dc2e #5105 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/117461707 11:12:23 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:14:43 i'm getting mixed results with autofight polearm reaching over fedhas mushrooms; sometimes getting "You could not reach far enough!" and sometimes not, against the same enemy that hasn't changed positions 11:14:52 also autofight vs manual reaching 11:15:07 evoking trident: You reach to attack! You hit the crocodile. 11:15:12 tab against same unmoved enemy: You could not reach far enough! 11:15:36 is that a failure to evoke? 11:16:25 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:19:16 -!- category has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:23:41 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:48 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:24:55 sounds like evoking reach failed, yes 11:24:56 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:00 so is that a normal chance to fail that is different than missing rather than an error? 11:26:25 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:16 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:32:11 -!- dubst3pp4 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:34:55 i think it makes sense now in the context of reaching over allies, was interpreting it oddly 11:36:42 yes 11:36:44 * geekosaur just checked, it's specifically if reaching past a friendly monster fails 11:37:49 ah ok, thanks 11:37:54 how is success determined in that case? 11:38:13 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41:18 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:42:03 sorry, apparently running windows for a while has made me lazier 11:42:05 looks like it's just a coinflip 11:42:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:11 +1 // This chance should possibly depend on your skill with // the weapon 11:43:12 ;) 11:43:39 probably the message for failing to reach could be improved. 11:44:51 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:50:52 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:51:11 perhaps something about your "attempt" or "falls short" or somesuch... not really a big deal though, i interpret things oddly sometimes 11:51:30 i feel like that message has confused a lot of people 11:51:33 including, in the past, me 11:51:35 idk. 11:52:50 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 11:53:00 so the webtile server is spawning a fake terminal in which crawl is run ? 11:55:16 trying to understand how the serve is translating crawl to messages over a websocket 11:55:20 server* 11:57:45 webtiles sends json to a custom client that is downloaded by the browser. that client interprets the json, which contains information about what tiles to use for what things. the client maintains the webtiles display 11:58:01 i understand that part 11:58:06 it's not just a terminal, else you'd see the same colored glyphs in webtiles that you would see in console 11:58:17 but how does webtiles talks to the crawl instance ? 11:58:28 tileweb.cc ? 12:00:04 that's what sends and receives messages, yes 12:00:45 bgiannan: did you see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/webtiles-architecture btw? 12:00:58 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:27 oh thx 12:01:29 ...right someone who doesn't need to read the code should answer that. not that I have trouble understanding it but it does take some time 12:01:39 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:53 * geekosaur juggling a bunch of plates at the moment, some of which have things like "$boss" on them >.> 12:02:06 so i could talk in json to my crawl instance with a regular socket right ? 12:07:01 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:53 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:11:31 -!- radinms has quit [] 12:16:32 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 12:26:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:37:06 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:37:55 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:39:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1610-g0a7c96e: Merge roused & battle-frenzied into might 10(5 minutes ago, 12 files, 30+ 94-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a7c96eacdf5 12:42:26 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:46:23 so i ran crawl like so: ./crawl -webtiles-socket ./rcs/giann:now.sock -await-connection 12:46:38 and then tried to talk to it like that: echo '{ "msg": "attach", "primary" : "true" }\n' | nc -4u 127.0.0.1 51002 12:46:43 no luck 12:47:16 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:47:31 i can see in process explorer that crawl opened up an UDP socket on that port 12:48:08 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:07 <|amethyst> crawl talks to webtiles through UNIX-domain sockets 12:49:18 <|amethyst> maybe cygwin is simulating through with UDP? 12:50:00 ohh right IPC socket... 12:50:01 i'm just dumb 12:50:59 i just can't do that under windows no ? 12:51:29 <|amethyst> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/23086038/what-mechanism-is-used-by-msys-cygwin-to-emulate-unix-domain-sockets 12:51:33 <|amethyst> maybe? 12:51:56 if i had run the webtile server outside of cygwin it would not have worked ? 12:53:30 <|amethyst> not sure... probably that's done in the library but I don't know 12:55:35 i'll try tonight on my mac 12:56:39 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:57:42 well in fact if i can't do it cross-platform it's not very useful 12:59:10 macs have other problemw with webtiles :( 12:59:15 *problems 12:59:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:59:22 * geekosaur tried to get it to work, gave up 12:59:33 webtiles runs on my mac, but very very slowly 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:35 i wat toying with the idea to write my client for crawl (i already have a god engine with light/shadows/normal maps) but if i can't do it on something else than linux it's not worth the efort 13:00:37 effort 13:00:48 interesting. I got it to the point where I could start a game but if I saved and reloaded it would not display 13:00:49 <|amethyst> bgiannan: make it talk to webtiles 13:00:59 that's what he was talking about 13:01:01 <|amethyst> bgiannan: rather than directly to crawl 13:01:09 geekosaur: that sometimes happens for me - it's unreliable 13:01:14 some games work, some don't. not sure why 13:01:14 <|amethyst> oh I see 13:01:27 i don't know if i can do websocket in my framework 13:01:27 <|amethyst> you want this to be usable for offline play 13:01:40 also yes 13:01:58 <|amethyst> bgiannan: not entirely facetious suggestion: 13:02:15 <|amethyst> bgiannan: distribute webtiles + crawl in a VM image 13:02:28 <|amethyst> have your frontend run the VM headlessly 13:02:39 <|amethyst> err, Linux + webtiles + crawl 13:03:13 what if i replace the socket with a regular one within tileweb ? is there a large difference between the two ? 13:03:56 well anyway i have to go ... i'll think on it 13:03:58 <|amethyst> probably would be feasible, but I'm not sure of the relevant differences between unix-domain and UDP 13:04:15 well udp or tcp 13:04:18 tcp would be fine 13:04:21 websocket is tcp 13:04:30 going now -> bye 13:04:30 <|amethyst> currently crawl uses socket(PF_UNIX, SOCK_DGRAM, 0) 13:04:38 <|amethyst> which is more like UDP (datagram, not stream) 13:04:39 <|amethyst> later 13:04:41 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5-dev] 13:11:39 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:44 -!- giann has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:44 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:24:26 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1610-g0a7c96e (34) 13:24:33 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:47 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:26:31 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:34:18 The build failed. (master - 0a7c96e #5106 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/117496900 13:34:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:35:27 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:35:27 -!- vermifax has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:36:34 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:37:28 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:44:12 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:45:01 -!- Scytalen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:46:21 didn't update monster bro! 13:46:37 feh 13:47:02 util/monster/monster-main.cc:903:39: error: use of undeclared identifier 13:47:02 'ENCH_BATTLE_FRENZY'; did you mean 'ENCH_OLD_BATTLE_FRENZY'? 13:47:07 that's pretty impressive 13:47:46 though it doesn't guess ENCH_OLD_ROUSED 13:47:57 sad 13:47:59 i'm fixing now, anyway. 13:49:12 i can see your transparent ploy to get robin a better killratio, anyway 13:49:46 hm 13:49:49 i forgot that robin existed 13:49:54 however i'm fine with buffing her. 13:49:54 1learn add 13:50:58 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1611-g00361b8: Fix monster (wheals) 10(22 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/00361b80302e 13:51:03 p much 13:53:12 i was thinking about malmutate, earlier 13:53:33 and the 'don't do extended in 0.18 because no rmut' meme 13:55:03 is it purely a meme, or is there an actual underlying problem? I think the fundamental concept of 'a monster that causes semi-permanent damage to your character' (malmuts) is fine, but is it *unfun?* 13:55:11 like, fine from a design/mechanical perspective 13:55:38 is it the sort of thing that's only hung around this long because rmut let people mostly ignore it? 13:55:41 <|amethyst> !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 won / urune > 5 13:55:42 '' is not an integer in 'urune>' 13:55:46 <|amethyst> !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 won / urune>5 13:55:47 690/2423 games for * (vlong>=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 won): N=690/2423 (28.48%) 13:55:58 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.17-a0 won / urune>5 13:55:59 No games for * (0.17-a0 won). 13:56:01 rip 13:56:09 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.17-a won / urune>5 13:56:09 1709/5377 games for * (0.17-a won): N=1709/5377 (31.78%) 13:56:09 i'm not saying that rmut removal had a significant impact on winrates, to be clear. 13:56:09 oh 13:56:12 though i guess maybe i could be 13:56:24 <|amethyst> not winrates, but how many wins include extended 13:56:30 ahh 13:56:40 <|amethyst> which, granted, isn't a perfect proxy for "how many people decided to try extended" 13:56:52 <|amethyst> since extended kills people 13:56:57 haha 13:57:19 !lg * 0.16-a won / urune>5 13:57:20 1162/3960 games for * (0.16-a won): N=1162/3960 (29.34%) 13:57:41 <|amethyst> !lg * alpha s=cv won / urune>5 13:57:42 6402/22358 games for * (alpha won): 1709/5377x 0.17-a [31.78%], 1162/3960x 0.16-a [29.34%], 813/2814x 0.18-a [28.89%], 563/2201x 0.14-a [25.58%], 541/2130x 0.15-a [25.40%], 445/1627x 0.13-a [27.35%], 410/1454x 0.12-a [28.20%], 284/1051x 0.11-a [27.02%], 172/551x 0.10-a [31.22%], 130/582x 0.8-a [22.34%], 98/348x 0.9-a [28.16%], 38/157x 0.6-a [24.20%], 37/106x 0.7-a [34.91%] 13:57:55 <|amethyst> !lg * alpha s=cv won / urune>5 o=% 13:57:56 wow, 0.7... those were the days... 13:57:56 6402/22358 games for * (alpha won): 37/106x 0.7-a [34.91%], 1709/5377x 0.17-a [31.78%], 172/551x 0.10-a [31.22%], 1162/3960x 0.16-a [29.34%], 813/2814x 0.18-a [28.89%], 410/1454x 0.12-a [28.20%], 98/348x 0.9-a [28.16%], 445/1627x 0.13-a [27.35%], 284/1051x 0.11-a [27.02%], 563/2201x 0.14-a [25.58%], 541/2130x 0.15-a [25.40%], 38/157x 0.6-a [24.20%], 130/582x 0.8-a [22.34%] 13:58:09 as opposed to 0.8 13:58:18 or 0.6 13:58:35 <|amethyst> when was armour rebalance? 0.7 or 0.8? 13:58:40 <|amethyst> err, 0.6 or 0.7 I mean 13:58:40 v0v 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:27 there's certainly an unpleasantness to your character being wrecked (turned into a ball of screaming, mutated flesh) but not actually dying 14:01:32 declining sucks, being put in a position where eventual failure seems certain sucks. but, mostly malmut isn't that dramatic 14:01:59 0.5->0.6 was the big AC nerf 14:02:08 including, i think, hellfire ignoring it 14:02:38 wretched stars or very heavy drain effects are closer to that, but they're temporary, which maybe makes it more psychologically viable to struggle through them. malmut is mostly just 'oh, you lost that cool clarity mut. oh, have some str -2' or w/e. 14:04:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:14:25 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:14:33 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:16:05 -!- owl has left ##crawl-dev 14:16:57 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:21:03 juilesy (L15 TrHu) ASSERT(mindex <= MAX_MONSTERS) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 420 failed. (Swamp:2) 14:21:36 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:23:34 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:43 wheals: hellfire ignoring it started in 0.5 i think 14:28:13 what was the point of hellfire before it ignored ac? 14:30:15 to do damage 14:30:35 yeah, but, why was it its own damage type? 14:30:36 smite targeted AC-checking damage isn't really something that existed outside of hellfire burst (or now) 14:31:01 airstrike!!!! 14:31:04 so that it didn't hurt monsters with rhellfire i guess, didn't want hellions killing themselves 14:31:11 ahh, reasonable 14:31:27 did it check rF? 14:31:30 no 14:31:33 i still sort of like the idea of renaming hellfire to 'damnation', to remove the "fire <-> rf" confusion. and then renaming the card to something else 14:31:35 so that's another reason 14:31:57 also it burned scrolls 14:31:57 the hellion calls damnation upon you! 14:32:07 PleasingFungus: hellion -> damnator 14:32:13 bring back item destruction 14:32:21 PleasingFungus: yeah that sounds good, also probably something should be done about damnation burst vs. damnation 14:32:21 amalloy: not sure about that one. 14:32:31 er, "that sounds good" to renaming hellfire to damnation 14:32:35 not to bringing back item destruction 14:32:37 haha 14:32:40 are you sure? 14:32:49 suck a walrus 14:32:52 :P 14:33:15 wrt burst vs not: you're talking about the weird subtle targeting distinction that most people won't notice? 14:33:22 I guess it's not *that* subtle 14:33:31 but i certainly didn't notice before I started looking at source 14:33:54 It's not just a targeting distinction, the smite one does less damage 14:34:04 i think i still don't know the difference. one of them is smite-targeted, one is kinda LoS and has different damage 14:34:22 also they're both bursts 14:34:35 and not noticing before looking at the source is kind of the problem :P it's quite useful to know that you can't get hellfired by a deep elf sorcerer if there's something between the two of you 14:34:37 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:53 @??hellion 14:34:53 hellion (042) | Spd: 12 | HD: 7 | HP: 33-44 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 383 | Sp: hellfire burst (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:34:55 @??deep elf sorcerer 14:34:55 deep elf sorcerer (13e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 48-72 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 12 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 1720 | Sp: b.corrosive (3d18), banishment, haste, hellfire (3d20) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:35:05 this is why people call it "hellfire burst" or "the burst version" 14:35:11 the first time i saw the name 'hellfire burst' i thought 'huh, there's a non-explosive hellfire?'and yet 14:35:24 well *I* didn't name it 14:35:37 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 14:36:43 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:37:03 Score page had not been updated from 13/03 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10329 by Nicu 14:37:03 johnstein: You around, cbro master? 14:37:03 me tooooo, PleasingFungus 14:39:40 !tell johnstein I've finished and am testing a multi-user version of that webtiles chat bot I mentioned a while back, wanted to talk to you about testing on cbro, maybe running it on the server there 14:39:40 gammafunk: OK, I'll let johnstein know. 14:39:44 -!- gammafunk has left ##crawl-dev 14:43:59 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:47:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:48:19 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:20 The build was fixed. 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MordorOrchid the Farming Ninja (L27 SpWz of Gozag), mangled by Ignacio (a +6 executioner's axe of pain) in Pandemonium on 2015-12-24 17:03:34, with 1202361 points after 223601 turns and 1d+0:46:21. 15:54:24 !killratio ignacio * recent 15:54:27 ignacio wins 0.440% of battles against * (recent). 15:54:55 thinking of buffing him? 15:55:15 nah 15:55:25 just briefly remembering he exists 15:55:34 imo replace him with the transdimensional hellspider 15:55:57 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 15:56:39 @??ignacio 15:56:39 Ignacio (131) | Spd: 20 | HD: 18 | HP: 192-287 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 20, 10, 10, 5 | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(160), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 12656 | Sp: agony [06!sil], pain (d17) [06!sil], haste [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 15:56:41 @??executioner 15:56:41 Executioner (151) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 57-77 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 30, 10, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2327 | Sp: pain (d14) [06!sil], haste [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 15:57:17 !lg * recent pan s=ikiller 15:57:18 1079 games for * (recent pan): 116x a hellion, 78x Lom Lobon, 76x a Brimstone Fiend, 75x, 73x Cerebov, 66x a Hell Sentinel, 53x Gloorx Vloq, 48x a daeva, 34x an Executioner, 29x Mnoleg, 27x an Ice Fiend, 26x a balrug, 19x a seraph, 18x a smoke demon, 13x an angel, 11x a reaper, 10x a shadow demon, 9x an apis, 7x a blizzard demon, 6x a pearl dragon, 6x a torturous warmonger, 6x a Shadow Fiend, 6x a... 15:57:34 clearly Cerebov needs a buff 15:57:53 what, not Mnoleg? 15:57:59 mnoleg... 15:58:08 mnoleg & nemelex xobeh 15:58:14 newnewnew whatever 15:58:22 @??torturous warmonger 15:58:22 torturous warmonger (116) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 89-131 | AC/EV: 13/11 08(spiny 5d4) | Dam: 40 | natural, 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, evil, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1575 | Sp: sap magic [11!AM], haste other [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 15:58:54 @??mnoleg 15:58:55 Mnoleg (09&) | Spd: 13 | HD: 17 | HP: 301-415 | AC/EV: 10/25 | Dam: 4009(claw), 3509(mutation), 30, 2306(blink self) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 10843 | Sp: dig [06!sil], b.random (3d21 / 3d24 / 3d22 / 3d26 / 3d20) [06!sil], sum.eyeballs [06!sil], malig.. 15:58:59 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0/20160303134406]] 15:59:22 -!- jadfjfdhefhefhfe has quit [Client Quit] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:35 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:45 -!- spriseris has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:23:33 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:27:08 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:03 -!- Bcalculus is now known as Bcadren 16:28:43 -!- giann has quit [Client Quit] 16:29:35 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 16:31:34 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:32:01 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:36:27 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest94116 16:40:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:41:37 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 16:43:46 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:01 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:44:10 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 16:44:34 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45:18 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:24 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:46:48 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:03 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:53:16 -!- Guest94116 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:57:58 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:59:08 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:13 wrt hellfire vs burst hellfire 16:59:35 how about "hurl hellfire" (or damnation) vs "call down hellfire"? 17:00:10 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:02 don't forget that demonspawn have "hurl hellfire" as one of their capstone mutations 17:01:43 (i.e. the non-smite-targetted variety) 17:01:53 hellfire vs hellfirey gaze 17:02:06 for consistency with the current beam vs smite spells! 17:02:09 ack 17:02:19 the hellion stares at you. you suddenly lose the ability to live! 17:02:25 rip 17:02:42 also damnation sounds like something competely unresistable 17:02:49 MarvinPA: did you read / have any opinions on the hellfire -> damnation or "is malmut unfun" discussions from earlier? 17:02:49 even for monsters 17:03:11 rDamnation 17:03:30 effects downgraded to "darn" or "heck" 17:03:57 no strong opinion, hellfire seems still fine to me really especially since the spell descs are more visible now 17:04:30 i mean, the fundamental "fire but not fire" oddness remains 17:04:47 agreed it's not as much of a problem as it once was 17:05:23 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:05:30 it melts ozo's and causes dith penance (in principle), but it doesn't check rf 17:05:37 also it has fire in the name 17:06:37 damnation sounds like it should be worse than hellfire 17:06:44 for the player to deal with 17:08:52 i got no problem with it sounding spooky 17:12:28 -!- spriseris has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:13:06 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:05 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [] 17:14:25 weird messages: "the damnation explodes" 17:15:00 <|amethyst> what about the card? 17:16:25 exile 17:16:34 <|amethyst> sounds good 17:16:35 you are removed from the game. 17:16:40 @The_monster@ tells you, "It seems you just drew Exile." 17:16:54 <|amethyst> I think I prefer "hellfire" to "damnation" myself though 17:17:08 even with the fire-but-not weirdnesses? 17:17:37 <|amethyst> yeah, because "damnation" doesn't sound like something that would do damage exactly 17:17:43 tangential: "A huge red glowing three-headed dragon" <- this is entirely too many modifiers in one place 17:18:11 rename torment to damnation and hellfire to torment and 17:18:18 your flesh is scourged by forces of damnation! 17:18:28 one head is huge, one head is red, and one head is glowing. 17:18:34 hahaha 17:18:40 that is now canon 17:18:42 <|amethyst> huge-red-glowing chimera 17:18:49 bring back chimeras 17:18:58 alternately: new mutant beast facets...? 17:19:12 what about older problems 17:19:33 finally, the non-claws hand slot mutation for ds... glowing hands 17:20:23 <|amethyst> speaking of which, could Fungus Form replace Confusing Touch? 17:21:33 transmutations and unarmed not close enough yet 17:21:35 i heard on reddit today that removing rMut is "a black mark on an otherwise quite nifty patch" 17:22:01 |amethyst: Sporulate 17:22:14 I think I partially implemented 'confusing touch but a tmut' 17:22:14 black mark has nothing to do with mutation! 17:22:18 a while back 17:22:22 !banish regret-index 17:22:22 PleasingFungus casts a spell. regret-index is cast into the Abyss! 17:22:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 17:22:32 i thought of that too when i was skimming his comment 17:22:46 it is true I am looking at star monsters 17:22:51 <|amethyst> amalloy: I also heard someone complaining about cheap deaths in DCSS... then someone recommended Nethack 17:22:55 "I'm not sure where you got the idea that removing a requirement for the extended endgame is a good design decision" 17:22:58 i mean, players will complain about whatever, but i do worry there's an underlying problem wrt malmut 17:23:21 anyone know what commit removed rmut, so i can compare % of games getting 15 runes before and after? 17:23:29 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:23:46 <|amethyst> I did that query in the scrollback 17:23:48 PleasingFungus: personally i have found the mutation game more interesting 17:24:06 <|amethyst> %git ac99359 17:24:06 07Lasty02 * 0.18-a0-384-gac99359: Amulet reform: remove amulet of mutation, replace with amulet of nothing 10(4 months ago, 17 files, 21+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ac9935970eea 17:24:16 <|amethyst> !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 won / urune=15 17:24:17 578/2425 games for * (vlong>=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 won): N=578/2425 (23.84%) 17:24:25 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.17-a won / urune=15 17:24:26 1453/5377 games for * (0.17-a won): N=1453/5377 (27.02%) 17:24:28 Mnoleg (09&) | Spd: 13 | HD: 17 | HP: 301-415 | AC/EV: 10/25 | Dam: 4009(claw), 3509(mutation), 30, 2306(blink self) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 10843 | Sp: dig [06!sil], b.random (3d21 / 3d24 / 3d22 / 3d26 / 3d20) [06!sil], sum.eyeballs [06!sil], malign gateway [06!sil], sum.horrible things [06!sil], c.chaos [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 17:24:28 %??mnoleg 17:24:30 %git ac99359 17:24:30 07Lasty02 * 0.18-a0-384-gac99359: Amulet reform: remove amulet of mutation, replace with amulet of nothing 10(4 months ago, 17 files, 21+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ac9935970eea 17:24:32 !lg * recent vlong<0.18-a0-384-gac99359 won / urune=15 17:24:33 2880/11323 games for * (recent vlong<0.18-a0-384-gac99359 won): N=2880/11323 (25.43%) 17:24:34 <|amethyst> (I was looking at > 5 rather than = 15) 17:24:48 <|amethyst> !lg * won alpha s=cv / urune=15 o=% 17:24:50 5046/22360 games for * (won alpha): 1453/5377x 0.17-a [27.02%], 26/106x 0.7-a [24.53%], 676/2816x 0.18-a [24.01%], 926/3960x 0.16-a [23.38%], 128/551x 0.10-a [23.23%], 340/1627x 0.13-a [20.90%], 303/1454x 0.12-a [20.84%], 423/2130x 0.15-a [19.86%], 197/1051x 0.11-a [18.74%], 410/2201x 0.14-a [18.63%], 64/348x 0.9-a [18.39%], 87/582x 0.8-a [14.95%], 13/157x 0.6-a [8.28%] 17:25:29 <|amethyst> so current numbers are pretty comparable to 0.16 development, and lower than 0.17 development 17:25:54 7s are the golden ages for extended 17:26:23 it will take until 0.27-a for hellpan roulette, it's true 17:26:50 !lg * recent vlong<0.18-a0-384-gac99359 nrune>=3 / nrune > 5 17:26:51 '' is not an integer in 'nrune>' 17:26:54 !lg * recent vlong<0.18-a0-384-gac99359 nrune>=3 / nrune>5 17:26:55 5200/18160 games for * (recent vlong<0.18-a0-384-gac99359 nrune>=3): N=5200/18160 (28.63%) 17:26:59 !lg * recent vlong<=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 nrune>=3 / nrune>5 17:27:00 5200/18160 games for * (recent vlong<=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 nrune>=3): N=5200/18160 (28.63%) 17:27:05 oops 17:27:10 !lg * recent vlong>=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 nrune>=3 / nrune>5 17:27:11 1172/4221 games for * (recent vlong>=0.18-a0-384-gac99359 nrune>=3): N=1172/4221 (27.77%) 17:27:17 <|amethyst> !lg * won alpha s=cv / urune>15 o=% 17:27:18 0/22360 games for * (won alpha): 0/106x 0.7-a [0.00%], 0/157x 0.6-a [0.00%], 0/348x 0.9-a [0.00%], 0/551x 0.10-a [0.00%], 0/582x 0.8-a [0.00%], 0/1051x 0.11-a [0.00%], 0/1454x 0.12-a [0.00%], 0/1627x 0.13-a [0.00%], 0/2130x 0.15-a [0.00%], 0/2201x 0.14-a [0.00%], 0/2816x 0.18-a [0.00%], 0/3960x 0.16-a [0.00%], 0/5377x 0.17-a [0.00%] 17:27:35 <|amethyst> !lg * max=urune s=urune 17:27:40 5386576 games for *: 5275105x 0, 30684x 3, 24283x 2, 22424x 1, 10870x 4, 9383x 15, 5717x 5, 2141x 6, 1220x 7, 915x 10, 882x 8, 824x 9, 678x 14, 636x 11, 428x 12, 386x 13 17:27:40 <|amethyst> err 17:27:44 <|amethyst> !lg * max=urune x=urune 17:27:48 5386578. [urune=15] rob the Farming Axe Maniac (L27 MDGl of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 20 runes on 2007-02-12 18:23:28, with 1664409 points after 220303 turns and 1d+17:35:06. 17:27:59 <|amethyst> I'm surprised that we haven't had such a bug exploited yet 17:28:11 <|amethyst> it was possible for a while with lair branch mimics 17:28:17 <|amethyst> theoretically 17:28:18 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:28:24 eh? 17:28:42 there was a trick to be able to use branch mimics before they'd turn into mimics 17:28:47 ha 17:28:52 i am very curious about the details 17:28:57 <|amethyst> mimics have always been the actual feature, then they turned into the monster when you got adjacent 17:28:57 what was the trick? 17:29:00 been too long to remember the details 17:29:07 <|amethyst> but if you managed to teleport directly on top of a mimic 17:29:16 would ctele work? 17:29:24 hm, would still need some luck 17:29:26 <|amethyst> I think even ?blink would work 17:29:27 or cblink maybe 17:29:29 yeah 17:29:32 hm 17:29:39 when was this fixed? would old enough versions be on servers? 17:31:02 <|amethyst> %git 1176d43c 17:31:02 07galehar02 * 0.11-a0-25-g1176d43: Reveal mimics at the player's feet (#5101). 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 9 files, 47+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1176d43caa3c 17:31:30 -!- njorth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:31:39 <|amethyst> !bug 5101 17:31:40 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5101 17:31:48 hm 17:31:52 so not webtiles 17:32:03 iirc 0.11 is the oldest webtiles version on servers? 17:32:16 <|amethyst> CSZO has 0.10 17:32:21 ! 17:33:01 <|amethyst> apparently you also need to be lucky and have the mimic generate no shallower than the branch entry's "real" location 17:33:17 what is the mimic chance, even 17:35:34 <|amethyst> regret-index: looks like it was 100 17:35:49 <|amethyst> (still is I guess) 17:36:08 <|amethyst> oh 17:36:10 100% chance for all branches to be mimics 17:36:13 <|amethyst> but that doesn't apply to branches 17:36:15 <|amethyst> yeah 17:36:15 crawl has never been harder 17:36:24 <|amethyst> err 17:37:00 <|amethyst> so I'm not sure about the chance of getting a branch entry mimic in 0.10 17:38:11 <|amethyst> because I don't even know what decided whether they should be there (_place_feature_mimics just assumed that, if it's a branch entry on the wrong level, it's supposed to be a mimic) 17:39:16 suddenly I remember an important shift in mimic use paired with that old directly-ontop-teleports = real thing 17:40:09 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:41:17 %git f87b0e48135 17:41:17 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-2231-gf87b0e4: Remove a mimic vault 10(3 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 0+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f87b0e481356 17:41:46 <|amethyst> heh 17:41:51 hmm 17:41:54 %git e512547a7462 17:41:54 07evilmike02 * 0.11-a0-1041-ge512547: Tricky entry vault. (nicolae) 10(3 years, 11 months ago, 1 file, 38+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e512547a7462 17:41:59 <|amethyst> aww 17:42:03 <|amethyst> no overlap :( 17:42:06 peh. 17:42:21 <|amethyst> %git orb mimic 17:42:21 Could not find commit orb mimic (git returned 128) 17:42:23 <|amethyst> %git :/orb mimic 17:42:24 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-3180-gb47114a: Remove a reference to orb mimics 10(3 years ago, 1 file, 0+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b47114a92749 17:42:27 <|amethyst> %git :/Orb mimic 17:42:27 07Grunt02 * 0.14-b1-44-ga4cbfbd: Revive monstrous mimics. 10(2 years ago, 6 files, 28+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a4cbfbda047d 17:43:07 <|amethyst> %git 50b6ab6a 17:43:07 07Zannick02 {|amethyst} * 0.11-a0-1047-g50b6ab6: Introduce shrieking orb mimics. 10(3 years, 11 months ago, 4 files, 58+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/50b6ab6ade50 17:43:26 need a sprint featuring an orb mimic in every single room 17:44:02 <|amethyst> ... but our Orb of Zot is in a different castle. 17:44:58 regret-index: You said something about buffing/replacing Shadow Fiends 17:45:03 what was your plan regarding that 17:45:12 they're going to eat lightlis 17:45:28 <|amethyst> oh, hey, tavern is proposing nearly-impossible-to-implement gods now 17:45:30 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19503 17:45:49 "now"? 17:45:51 <|amethyst> I do like the idea of a god with Undo, though 17:45:52 just now...? 17:46:03 ack 17:46:06 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:46:07 huh, gdd 17:46:23 <|amethyst> usually they're not impossible to implement, just maybe not worth doing 17:46:40 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:46:43 lightli: sadly, I opted out from af_torment. instead, I'm thinking of af_firebrand, except with miasma replacing the fire clouds. 17:46:57 <|amethyst> I'm sure this one isn't impossible, but I can't even begin to fathom how one might represent "the random things that happened in a turn" to allow this to work 17:47:24 <|amethyst> but a god that messes with saves would be interesting 17:47:40 <|amethyst> e.g. checkpoint and restore 17:47:52 |amethyst: you must be misreading: it's "relatively simple" 17:47:55 <|amethyst> but less pedestrian than that 17:48:01 other roguelikes have variants of that, iirc 17:48:03 e.g. qud 17:48:03 it could be made simplier 17:48:18 qud has precog that lets you play for n turns, and then rewind to when you used the ability 17:48:21 <|amethyst> amalloy: game-design-wise is it a pretty simple god, not many abilities 17:48:35 Undo is easy: just switch crawl to a functional language, and save a copy of the previous game state 17:48:36 <|amethyst> amalloy: just two of those abilities... 17:48:41 imo merge crawl into Hack 'N' Slash 17:49:00 like Undo could somewhat work if you made a percentage of damage taken be dealt as flaying-style damage 17:49:10 heh 17:49:10 or corrypt 17:49:13 omniflaying 17:49:23 corrypt was very cool but not a roguelike and also too insane for me. 17:49:37 i got to the central gimmick and then went "agh" 17:50:01 mildly disappointing, pleasingfungus. 17:50:06 <|amethyst> tracking damage for Undo wouldn't be too hard, though it's a lot more information than we currently track 17:50:14 i am a shameful gamer 17:50:20 i fled from the challenge 17:50:21 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:50:24 <|amethyst> but tracking other effects the monsters have had... 17:50:34 unmutate 17:50:58 <|amethyst> (and what if the monster you Undo had killed one of your allies?) 17:51:05 unworship god 17:51:11 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:54 Undo? 17:52:02 <|amethyst> wheals: FR: all non-Zealot characters start out worshipping Athe, god of logic 17:52:18 how do you make it work across sessions 17:52:24 <|amethyst> FIQ: looking at an intriguing but probably impossible-to-implement tavern suggestion: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19489 17:52:49 <|amethyst> working across sessions just means you have to store both the old and new state in the save 17:52:51 should implement one of NH4/brogue's save systems :p 17:53:34 <|amethyst> err 17:53:39 <|amethyst> that was entirely the wrong link 17:53:41 hm 17:53:43 !seen chequers 17:53:43 I last saw chequers at Mon Mar 21 02:36:43 2016 UTC (19h 17m ago) saying 'that high score bug is sort of funny' on ##crawl-dev. 17:53:48 <|amethyst> FIQ: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19503 sorry 17:53:57 i wonder if there's any particular reason pan lords can only get smitey hellfire 17:54:44 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:54:57 <|amethyst> distinguish them from fiends maybe? 17:55:41 possibly because their list emerged from the ghost list 17:55:53 actually i guess hellfire was never a player spell 17:56:43 fr after I'm done rename the last two fiends 17:57:14 it would be fun if you could use bend probability to affect outcome of item rolls on new dungeon levels :p (allthough not healthy for the game I think and tedium-encouraging) 17:57:24