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Right now, it says i'm still playing, and if I try to play then it says my save file is already in use 01:48:02 this is a few minute (~5) later 01:49:21 other information if important: I'm on CRBO 01:49:45 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:52 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 01:54:39 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1562-gac8da35 03:01:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:11:38 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:12:14 -!- AlexDCSS85 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:12:28 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1562-gac8da35 (34) 03:13:29 -!- Shepardus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:18:48 hm 03:18:50 !seen johnstein 03:18:50 I last saw johnstein at Thu Mar 10 05:10:54 2016 UTC (3d 2h 7m 56s ago) saying '%git 37626c5' on ##crawl-dev. 03:18:53 rip 03:19:05 cojito: johnstein is the cbro admin and the person you'd want to talk to 03:20:13 PleasingFungus: eventually it timed out and died 03:20:14 thanks 03:20:21 happy ending! 03:21:37 hi 03:21:47 hi 03:21:50 I can try to kill it 03:21:57 apparently it died on its own 03:22:10 no one needs you. no one wants you. and no one will ever love you 03:22:12 that's usually what eventually happens 03:22:14 it's ok 03:22:15 (thanks for responding!) 03:22:17 :C 03:22:25 :) 03:23:49 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:28:28 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:36:17 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:37:11 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:38:48 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:38:52 -!- Zargon has quit [Client Quit] 03:40:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 45.0/20160303134406]] 03:45:53 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:46:33 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:50:20 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1562-gac8da35 03:50:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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(Orc:1) 14:22:33 Webtiles input hangs when a spectator joins, if the player is currently inputting a !note at the time of spectator join. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10318 by Implojin 14:25:22 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:26:09 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:32:14 -!- bob is now known as Guest21310 14:32:46 Silence status stays active after "Your hearing returns" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10319 by Sandman25 14:34:00 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:38:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:39:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 14:39:08 -!- Guest21310 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:41:16 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:50:01 !crashlog 14:50:06 13098. Jano, XL14 GhMo, T:23199 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Jano/crash-Jano-20160313-181858.txt 14:50:55 oh 14:50:59 kiku orc corpses 14:58:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:43 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:45 -!- Guest93746 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:10:10 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Client Quit] 15:10:47 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Client Quit] 15:11:09 -!- spooncolony has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:12:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:15:57 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:36 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:19:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:22:03 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:29:54 -!- spooncolony has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:32:01 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:45 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:06 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35:24 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest3828 15:35:30 -!- Guest3828 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:43:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:37:06 -!- Guest78704 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:37:34 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:43:29 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:48:01 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:58 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:50 -!- owl has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:38 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 19:58:19 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:59:36 * chequers yawns 20:00:50 indeed. 20:01:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:43 isn't there an option or button to make webtiles use console glyphs? 20:05:58 or am i thinking of a different roguelike 20:06:02 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:06:55 there is 20:07:00 ??rcfile 20:07:00 rcfile[1/3]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt 20:07:18 ty 20:07:22 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt#L2020 20:07:26 tile_display_mode = glyph 20:07:36 there was a function key at one point I think 20:09:03 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest74602 20:09:48 -!- MarvinPA has left ##crawl-dev 20:09:59 thanks guys 20:10:03 this looks good 20:11:05 -!- Jamo has quit [Client Quit] 20:14:55 "Remember Death" does not show up at 6* piety 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10320 by Sandman25 20:14:58 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:15:14 anyone available to look at my PRs? 20:15:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:25:08 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 20:26:48 i like https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/242 (make loud noises not break mesm/fear). anyone object to my merging it? 20:26:54 -!- Guest74602 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:28:25 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:33:28 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:36:05 -!- miek_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:37:13 good enough for me 20:37:28 03chequers02 07* 0.18-a0-1472-g80e3b75: Don't let noise break mesmerisation. 10(13 days ago, 4 files, 0+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/80e3b75b14ce 20:37:28 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-1565-g6b8b260: Merge pull request #242 from alexjurkiewicz/noise-mesm 10(8 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b8b26072d89 20:38:18 Hay devs you know what woudl be sweet? A monster attack that does d2 * d2 * d2 * d2 * d2 * d2 * d2 * d2 damage 20:38:21 -!- _miek has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:26 So most common damage amount would be 16 20:38:37 but then 1/256 times it would be 256 damage 20:38:38 -!- _miek is now known as miek_ 20:39:31 %git :/purple 20:39:31 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-3597-gf0417c9: Player chequers not chess with CREDITS.txt 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0417c997d15 20:39:36 %git :/dangerous 20:39:36 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1521-g59d19af: Revert "Enable autopickup of dangerous items" 10(7 days ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/59d19afd3d53 20:42:45 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 20:44:21 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 20:45:16 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:52 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:06 wheals: I think sd1989 is an active server maintainer again 20:53:08 amalloy: thanks 20:53:41 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 20:54:36 -!- milgwyn_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:58:09 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:59:47 the bool axe parameter to those functions is pretty comical 21:00:09 it should have been bool dontActuallyCallThisFunction 21:01:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:26 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09:38 -!- StarButterfly has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:11:42 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:43 The build has errored. (master - 6b8b260 #5063 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/115756833 21:11:43 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:13:19 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:14:37 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:17:39 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:17:56 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:21:19 -!- giann1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:23:55 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25:04 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:25:52 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:53 -!- giann1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:28:05 -!- BlatancyHS has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:29:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:54 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:33:09 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:36:13 -!- glaas has quit [Client Quit] 21:36:34 -!- serQ has quit [Quit: ... und weg ...] 21:41:07 The orc zaps a wand. 21:41:07 Your +3 warlock's mirror {reflect} reflects the ! 21:41:07 _It is a wand of paralysis. 21:41:52 !tell PleasingFungus < jefus> Your +3 warlock's mirror {reflect} reflects the ! 21:41:53 Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 21:42:10 8-) 21:48:00 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:48:34 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:48:35 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:50:34 -!- BadBadger is now known as FunkyBomb 21:53:17 -!- Bcadren_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:54:06 -!- Franz__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:55:29 -!- Bcadren_ is now known as Bcadren 22:01:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:02:27 pleasingfungus: howler monkeys should rattle their bones and cause noise too!!! 22:03:58 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:06 should amulet of rage be marked useless for trogites? 22:05:12 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:05:13 iirc it technically isn't 22:05:13 ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:05:26 for some reason i can't remember 22:05:30 -!- insecticide has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:05:34 !messages 22:05:34 (1/2) CanOfWorms said (1d 16h 10m 32s ago): it's... ALIIIIIIVE http://i.imgur.com/AxKMtEG.png http://i.imgur.com/FcCxA39.png http://i.imgur.com/lH1yVzP.png http://i.imgur.com/MpZYahc.png http://i.imgur.com/sqyIR7J.png http://i.imgur.com/svogGc4.png http://i.imgur.com/jF08j7p.png http://i.imgur.com/2lVK946.png http://i.imgur.com/uuTI89c.png http://i.imgur.com/RwTrVyh.png 22:05:36 !messages 22:05:37 (1/1) CanOfWorms said (1d 16h 8m 56s ago): wait I messed it up this is missing http://i.imgur.com/yOo33oS.png (also ignore this one: http://i.imgur.com/svogGc4.png ) 22:05:38 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:06:37 I think evocable rage works under silence? 22:06:53 yes 22:07:08 which is pretty much the only case anyone's come up with fir ut 22:07:09 for it 22:09:45 secret mennas tech 22:11:51 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:11:59 CanOfWorms: nice abominations 22:12:40 !seen amalloy 22:12:40 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:12:40 I last saw amalloy at Mon Mar 14 01:00:09 2016 UTC (1h 12m 30s ago) saying 'it should have been bool dontActuallyCallThisFunction' on ##crawl-dev. 22:13:17 %git 80e3b75b14cea6ec1bf45538d47ad9de5b2442f7 22:13:17 07chequers02 * 0.18-a0-1472-g80e3b75: Don't let noise break mesmerisation. 10(13 days ago, 4 files, 0+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/80e3b75b14ce 22:13:41 ^ i only sort of hinted at this when it was brought up before, but i am not sold on this change 22:14:24 CanOfWorms: are you intending to make some small aboms, too? 22:14:32 (fr remove small aboms) 22:14:44 eventually, but not at the moment 22:14:49 okay 22:14:58 (also fr remove crawling corpses and macabre masses) 22:15:11 there's two complaints there - "spoilery", which is certainly fixable by less dramatic means than removal, and 'encourages you to carry ?noise in shoals' 22:15:17 which, uh 22:15:23 well, ?noise or lightning wand 22:15:26 sure 22:15:31 but like, i don't think either of those are problems? 22:16:47 i am more bothered by the spoileryness, and I wasn't convinced adding extra text to the mesmerisation spell would be a good way to go about making this mechanic less spoilery 22:17:01 what i really want is a ?/ for statuses 22:17:04 as I've said many times before 22:17:09 ofc no one would look at it, but they might 22:17:22 yep. that's mostly why I disliked adding text to the spell 22:17:26 well 22:17:32 I think that people would actually look at the spell description 22:17:34 that's something people do 22:17:35 in my experience 22:17:49 perhaps 22:17:52 when encountering new spells, which is the case where it would be otherwise 'spoilerish' 22:17:59 basically my justification is the same as the curare/asphyx change 22:18:36 i mean, curare/asphyx was a super easy way to shut down a bunch of otherwise nasty effects (mainly word of recall) 22:18:44 it had problems beyond 'spoileriness' 22:18:54 it wasn't super good gameplay 22:19:16 whereas "very loud noises" obviously have drawbacks that mean you might not want to make them your mesm-breaking tool if you have a choice 22:19:24 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:19:52 I like the gameplay of trading off noise to break mesm 22:20:07 I'm just not convinced it's very discoverable gameplay 22:20:15 that's fixable. 22:20:20 noise beyond 'enemy makes a lot of it' is pretty obscure in dcss 22:21:22 hm 22:22:09 true, but I don't think that needs to be the end of it 22:22:43 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ?5 is halfway there but there's no way to search 22:22:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re ?/status 22:22:59 I would probably want to merge ?5 into a new ?/ 22:23:04 <|amethyst> (would be better as...yes) 22:23:07 :) 22:23:30 a while back, I had the idea of a toggleable "noise from the last turn" view 22:23:54 PleasingFungus: I think one way to make a mechanic more visible is to use it more -- so if mesm was added to more places, people would more easily recall that noise interacts with it 22:24:08 uh 22:24:21 is the problem people *remembering* the mechanic, or *discovering* it initially? 22:24:26 I thought we were worried mainly about the former 22:24:54 I think both are problems 22:25:13 hm 22:25:15 sell me 22:26:05 for example, vitilisation is easy to discover, but hard to remember its effects (because it has a lot of them). On the other hand, distortion unwield causing banishment is hard to discover, but easy to remember 22:26:23 i know noise breaks mesm but it's such a mediocre rare solution to such a rare effect that it's not worth the hassle for me to carry ?noise even when i do go into shoals 22:26:35 I think in mesm's case, it's both hard to discover and hard to remember, because there's no real cue to remind players it's a possible solution 22:26:40 could add noise-making monsters to areas with mesmerising monsters 22:26:46 those exist 22:26:52 primal wave is loud enough to break mesm if it hits you 22:27:11 it's loud as a lightning bolt. weird facts 22:27:25 if there was something like visual noise ripples (remember the matrix bullet trails?) for every sound, that would make it obvious that noise + mesm interacted 22:27:38 would it? 22:27:59 I was trying to think of a dumb (=unimplementable) solution as an example 22:28:04 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:28:25 i don't think that really solves this problem. related problems, maybe 22:28:27 if you see noise waves pulling you to a mesm source but other noise sources are slightly disrupting those waves, you might get the idea to-- nevermind 22:28:40 no worries 22:28:54 amalloy: how strongly do you feel about ?noise etc? 22:29:02 the ?noise/mesm thing 22:29:56 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:31:13 -!- PsiRedEye22 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:31:53 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re that option, would be so much nicer with 256color 22:31:58 i think as is, the game is better without it: it's a needless complication. if you want to find a better solution because you're really attached to it for some reason, then great, but you can put the noise+mesm effect back in once you've fixed it. i think just reverting chequers's commit makes things worse 22:32:27 my plan was revert + add to description + reword ‘for a moment, your mind becomes perfectly clear!’ to be clearer about what's going on 22:32:31 *add to spell description 22:33:01 agreed that's it not 'necessary' but that's not an argument in itself; imho the existence of it is cool in terms of allowing alternate tactics in tough situations 22:33:32 a few other people mentioned they liked having alternate options available when mesmed 22:33:36 i think it would be a lot more interesting if there were sources of noise the player has access to other than just this stupid ?noise 22:33:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:33:41 there 22:33:42 are 22:33:53 eg, turn down the un-mesm threshold so that fireball is loud enough 22:34:00 i know /lightning works 22:34:18 honestly i've not really heard people talking about it in connection to ?noise before this; usually people talk about /lightning, since that's something you're more likely to be carrying 22:34:21 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:34:25 could turn down the threshold a bit 22:34:36 interesting idea 22:34:38 let me fiddle 22:34:57 last i checke, the threshold was set to be *just* above the noise a self-targeted fireball makes 22:35:13 self-targeted fireball would be the best tech 22:35:21 self-targeted firestorm works 22:35:33 huh 22:35:48 self-targetted fireball doesn't work at 19 either 22:35:58 fireball makes 19 22:36:00 er 22:36:01 15 22:36:06 yeah, 15 works 22:36:08 as do all 3x3 explosions 22:36:11 sure 22:36:13 eg power leap 22:36:19 another one it would be cool to have work 22:36:24 huh, didn't know that was noisy 22:36:54 imo it's lame if non-self-targetted fireball works, since that'd be too easy 22:37:01 but i'm fine with self-fireball tech 22:37:18 i kinda hate if only self-targeted fireball works 22:37:24 that's another dumb spoilery solution 22:37:44 if it's something you actually discover by playing normally, you can realize "oh hey, i can do that on purpose too!" 22:37:50 it's like 22:38:01 mesmerization would barely exist if you could just fireball whatever 22:38:04 there's no tradeoff there 22:38:17 there are so many characters who can't just fireball whatever 22:38:28 and it costs you a turn and some MP 22:38:36 just like confusion costs you a turn and some curing 22:38:44 and produces a fireball, which is generally considered a pretty good trade 22:38:46 hence why people cast it 22:38:48 -!- Elitist has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:38:53 imo comparing to confusion is not a winning argument 22:38:55 for good esign 22:38:56 *design 22:39:28 also note that /iceblast exists (rip /fireball) 22:39:37 in general fireball-tier noise sources are not that rare 22:39:46 since, as you said, it's every 3x3 explosion, including stuff like meph, etc 22:40:18 some good/bad news, depending on your perspective: looks like lowering the threshold to 15 makes any fireball work, regardless of the target 22:40:23 i think adding self-targeted-only fireball as a solution is even worse than just reverting chequers's commit. it's an awful thing to encourage players to do, and they also can't discover that it happens 22:40:26 well 22:40:28 I can't 22:40:52 why does it have to self target? is the noise too faint when you shoot something further away? 22:40:58 no 22:41:01 we thought it might be, but it's not 22:41:09 some day I should find out how crawl's sound system works 22:41:18 vibrations in the air waves 22:41:39 another idea, just make tt loud enough 22:42:04 that would be a pretty huge change 22:42:24 currently tt is I think 8? just enough to reach barely outside LOS? 22:42:33 it would be a massive nerf to ally play 22:42:46 i think he meant lower the threshold 22:42:48 not make tt louder 22:42:52 ^ 22:42:56 that would make 22:43:01 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.18-a0-1566-g1571e14: Large abominations (CanOfWorms) 10(16 seconds ago, 11 files, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1571e14e110e 22:43:05 almost any noise in the game break it 22:43:14 sweet, abominations! 22:45:14 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: IMO put the old abomination_large1.png (the spider-looking one) into UNUSED because that would make an awesome monster on its own :) 22:45:28 PleasingFungus: you're saying that "not necessary" isn't an argument, but it's exactly the argument we make all the time against adding features: "why not do X?" is a bad reason to do X 22:45:45 Of course. 22:45:50 It's not an argument for or against. 22:46:14 mesm is actually interesting if you can't easily cancel t 22:46:45 I mean, there's huge, obvious downsides to producing enormous amount of noise anywhere, perhaps especially on Shoals. 22:47:16 i feel like the effects of noise are overstated. if you break mesm with noise you just go back upstairs and down another one 22:47:50 uhhhhhhhhh 22:47:57 that makes 22:48:00 an interesting set of assumptions 22:48:51 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:00 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:49:22 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:20 |amethyst: mm, true 22:53:17 |amethyst: if we had mouse support, we could add hyperlinks to the % screen for status effects. 22:53:18 or other things. 22:53:35 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: or to the main status area 22:53:41 ooooooooooo! 22:53:43 I like that 22:53:56 yes pls 22:54:01 clearly another fr for webtiles-changes 22:54:01 sadly, mice are a myth. 22:54:06 <|amethyst> could almost do it in webtiles already 22:54:10 btw, did you lock down a release date PleasingFungus ? 22:54:11 <|amethyst> don't need mouse support there 22:54:12 a rare species, long ago driven extinct on the surface... 22:54:15 since I want to redo the tourney pages 22:54:20 |amethyst: just literally add hyperlinks? 22:54:26 oh, maybe pop up a little javascript window 22:54:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: yeah 22:54:36 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: would need something to link to of course 22:54:57 yeah 22:54:58 hm 22:55:13 <|amethyst> can you embed anchors in ReST? 22:55:25 yes 22:55:38 plz explain <- ReST n00b 22:55:41 well, I think most rest -> html converters add anchors for each heading 22:56:37 lol 22:56:43 <|amethyst> solution: link to the existing crawlwiki pages 22:56:48 chequers: did you know there are four spells that interact with the noise effect 22:56:59 think of ReST as a boat. and then embedding anchors into it =p 22:57:28 PleasingFungus: go on 22:57:29 <|amethyst> Think of ReST as Frank Sinatra's career 22:57:39 <|amethyst> And embed Paul Anka into it 22:58:03 chequers: siren song, avatar song, cause fear, and mesmerize 22:58:24 i had forgotten that mesmerize and siren song were separate things 22:59:27 <|amethyst> ??mesmerize 22:59:28 mesmerise[1/5]: Being mesmerised means you can't move away from the siren/avatar and cannot go berserk. You can still cast spells. Mesmerisation can be broken by breaking LOS with the siren/avatar; killing or confusing it; using silence; or making a ton of noise (lightning, ?noise, or firestorming yourself(!)). Clarity prevents it and MR resists it. 22:59:44 oh, speaking of fear 22:59:45 <|amethyst> does !cancellation break mesm/fear? 23:00:14 I got a HOSu awkwardly killed when I read fear and then my ice beast attacked... and dispelled the fear effect... 23:00:27 intended? 23:00:39 the nerf Su needs 23:00:45 sounds like a bunch of systems working in a sad but consistent way 23:01:00 it's sort of weird that causing fear is a hostile act 23:01:08 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:18 not super weird, just sort of weird 23:01:53 hm, i sort of want to add a note about breaking LOS in the mesm description, but it's tricky, since turning the enemy invisible specifically does *not* break the effect. 23:02:21 Rast (L1 VSWz) (D:1) 23:02:29 "if the target cannot see the caster" 23:02:34 erm 23:02:38 if the caster cannot see the target 23:02:51 !crash rast 23:02:52 6. Rast, XL1 VSWz, T:0 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Rast/crash-Rast-20160314-030213.txt 23:02:56 <|amethyst> turning yourself invisible doesn't break it either does it? 23:02:57 but if you go invisible, does mesmerize still work? 23:03:06 I don't think turning invisible works? 23:03:19 :P 23:03:21 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: IMO there's nothing wrong with saying "line of sight" in descriptions 23:03:31 had to kill the game. I think it may have been the game that filled up the disk space. rip 23:03:39 we don't anywhere in spell descriptions at present, apparently 23:03:45 we do use 'line of fire' 23:03:49 which isn't meaningfully different 23:03:52 <|amethyst> hm 23:03:57 you could make invis work :) 23:04:10 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the difference I guess being statues/grates 23:04:28 i mean, meaningfully different as a style thing 23:04:37 <|amethyst> ah 23:04:42 it seems to be used to describe what smitey things don't need 23:05:32 <|amethyst> yeah, I would say "line of fire" = LOS_SOLID or LOS_SOLID_SEE, "line of sight" = LOS_NO_TRANS, "in sight" = LOS_DEFAULT 23:05:33 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:06:01 haha 23:07:36 sort of tough to describe for Cause Fear, since the player spell is completely different 23:07:53 possibly monsters should just get a new spell enum/name 23:07:58 Cause Terror 23:09:21 -!- giann1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:38 cause apprehension 23:10:00 cause angst 23:10:06 cause fremdschamen 23:10:11 <|amethyst> Fearmong 23:10:22 ! 23:13:48 -!- giann1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:15:46 -!- Jamo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:16:32 +1 fearmong 23:16:34 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:16:46 give it to donald 23:17:15 Donald mumbles quietly. "We need to build a wall to keep out those nagas." 23:17:57 does donald need a new hat 23:21:32 um 23:21:37 crawl apparently pluralizes status as "stati" 23:21:40 i don't know how to feel about that. 23:26:01 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:31:00 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:39:31 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 23:42:01 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:02 The build passed. (master - 1571e14 #5064 : ontoclasm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/115767929 23:42:02 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:43:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:45:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:51:47 I'm giddy with excitement to see the new abomination tiles in trunk 23:54:00 -!- giann1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:12 huh 23:54:25 pop quiz: what's the least impactful stat-zero effect? 23:56:08 str, probably? 23:56:58 correct 23:57:11 part two: what does 0 str ("collapse") actually do? 23:57:27 zero hp regen 23:57:35 (plus perma-slow as usual) 23:57:40 lol 23:57:44 it's not even that 23:57:49 no? it used to be 23:57:58 it's 1/4 regen 23:58:09 ofc it also used to cut your carrying capacity or something 23:58:18 ~so scary~ 23:58:20 though it does affect everything but trog's hand (does affect Regen etc) 23:58:22 haha 23:59:09 brainless is "80% scroll fail chance, no spellcasting", clumsy is "no blocking, almost no dodging" 23:59:28 i mean you still don't want zero str, but... underwhelming 23:59:41 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds]