00:00:35 |amethyst: if I was to create a function that took a number n and return "first", "second", "third", "fourth"..., what would I call that function? 00:00:49 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:13 -!- debo__ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:29 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:46 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ordinal_in_words 00:03:57 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: or maybe a flag to number_in_words 00:04:04 imo better as a separate function 00:05:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:07:05 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:08:24 -!- debo__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:08:25 -!- JakeStone_ has quit [Client Quit] 00:09:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1527-g6212e68: Don't lose orc corpse identity on save + restore. 10(23 minutes ago, 2 files, 13+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6212e684cb15 00:09:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1528-g2147dd3: Don't keep prompting after choosing a corpse to resurrect. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2147dd36a01a 00:12:29 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:14:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1529-g524675f: Add an orc corpse comment. 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/524675f365c1 00:14:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1530-g0bea4e8: Unbrace. 10(13 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0bea4e875629 00:16:02 !tell chequers " M - the +5 great mace of Fimbulwinter (weapon) {freeze, +Fly rElec Stlth+} " 00:16:03 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let chequers know. 00:17:27 wow, lotta messages 00:21:03 You enter the Abyss! To return, you must find a gate leading back. Killing monsters will force the Abyss to allow you passage. Welcome to the Abyss! This branch contains the abyssal rune of Zot. 00:21:30 <|amethyst> !crashlog noun~~ray\.cc max=vlong 00:21:31 No milestones for |amethyst (noun~~ray\.cc crash). 00:21:35 <|amethyst> !crashlog * noun~~ray\.cc max=vlong 00:21:36 306. Avigdore, XL10 MuCK, T:53309 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Avigdore/crash-Avigdore-20160221-181919.txt 00:22:01 %git 00:22:01 07|amethyst02 * 0.18-a0-1530-g0bea4e8: Unbrace. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0bea4e875629 00:25:08 PleasingFungus: What are you planning 00:25:14 gonna remove lightlis 00:27:23 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1526-gcb34c7c (34) 00:34:10 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest48942 00:38:08 -!- Guest48942 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:38:11 New branch created: abyss-kills-again (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/abyss-kills-again 00:38:12 03PleasingFungus02 07[abyss-kills-again] * 0.18-a0-1527-gb341078: Encourage murder in the Abyss (regret-index) 10(26 minutes ago, 6 files, 65+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b341078bd187 00:39:09 -!- giann has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:39:51 feedback and comments welcomed ^ 00:40:43 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:42:03 03PleasingFungus02 07[abyss-kills-again] * 0.18-a0-1528-g6180481: Add abyss-kills to the FAQ 10(11 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6180481cc06d 00:46:16 -!- broquaint has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:26 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:50:50 03PleasingFungus02 07[abyss-kills-again] * 0.18-a0-1529-gc942533: Reduce Abyss entry message spam (regretindex) 10(11 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c94253366a48 01:00:34 PleasingFungus: fimbulwinter 01:00:34 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:00:37 !messages 01:00:38 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (44m 36s ago): " M - the +5 great mace of Fimbulwinter (weapon) {freeze, +Fly rElec Stlth+} " 01:00:50 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:53 PleasingFungus: is that just an apropos randart name? 01:01:02 nabalzabf claimed that it was caused by the "apropos randart name" commit and I got tricked into think you'd pushed your thing :( 01:01:11 i got trickstered 01:01:36 *thinking 01:03:08 :) 01:03:22 then i made you forget you merged the pr 01:03:29 !!! 01:03:29 i mean, ha ha, how silly 01:03:34 nooo 01:03:57 now you will re-add hammers and make coinflip() of them artefact 01:04:53 did someone extend the time might lasts? 01:05:21 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:05:58 not afaik 01:06:24 clustering 01:07:23 03PleasingFungus02 07[abyss-kills-again] * 0.18-a0-1530-g6e54171: Don't spawn stairs down on Abyss:5 (regret-index) 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e541710551b 01:07:33 i could have broken it somehow 01:07:35 I usually do 01:08:23 -!- West1C has quit [] 01:11:29 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1530-g0bea4e8 (34) 01:15:03 i trust you 01:16:23 ha! you've fallen for my trap! 01:24:39 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:24:53 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:54 The build passed. 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We use std::chrono to handle time in milliseconds. 10(22 minutes ago, 11 files, 40+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7d0a0c4de794 05:19:12 03Benoit Giannangeli02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/244 * 0.18-a0-1485-gcd6aedf: autofight_warning has not effect when CMD_AUTOFIGHT has been issued by a macro 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cd6aedf31a05 05:24:21 -!- starbutterfly has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:25:26 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:26:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:41:10 let me know if i should create something in mantis about it, i don't really know what's the workflow to follow 05:46:02 -!- Meh_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:49:38 -!- electriv_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:55:20 -!- DrStalker has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:57:05 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:57:29 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest79629 06:00:47 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05:48 -!- Guest79629 has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 06:06:39 -!- Guest64024 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:19:37 -!- Galewind has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:21:42 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:05 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:01 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:24:07 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:26:22 -!- Stendhal has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:26:57 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:31:15 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:32:26 -!- owl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:38:15 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:49:48 -!- electriv has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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in general the point of multiple levels is to encourage going deeper in return for better chances at an exit/rune, seems weird for this system to encourage the opposite 10:26:16 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:31:42 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:31:54 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:01 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: OTOH, with descending resetting the XP counter, descending doesn't give better chances unless you're exiting by exploration rather than XP 10:32:29 What's this now? 10:32:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:32:45 <|amethyst> %git abyss-kills-again^^ 10:32:45 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1528-g6180481: Add abyss-kills to the FAQ 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6180481cc06d 10:32:48 <|amethyst> %git abyss-kills-again^^^ 10:32:48 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1527-gb341078: Encourage murder in the Abyss (regret-index) 10(10 hours ago, 6 files, 65+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b341078bd187 10:33:10 oh, i didn't see that descending reset it 10:33:24 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: danger for faster exit does seem to be kind of problematic though 10:33:47 innnteresting 10:33:49 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: in that the contrapositive is "tedium for safety" 10:34:47 i guess the aim is that abyss:1 should be sufficiently dangerous that going deeper in return for possibly spending less time in the abyss is worthwhile 10:34:56 but yeah that's not necessarily easy to achieve 10:35:05 Another way to push it would be to make getting to Abyss:5 guarantee an exit immediately within view 10:35:48 just messing with the existing systems might be better yeah 10:36:03 and making deeper exits more likely 10:37:10 <|amethyst> I'd like to try out the XP-gated abyss at least 10:37:15 just make sure that doesn't happen when you're banished to Abyss:5 :P 10:37:18 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:37:21 wheals: heh, yeah 10:37:27 can you get banished directly to Abyss:5 now? 10:37:33 <|amethyst> and it still has random exits, so that part can still be tweaked 10:37:59 i believe aliches do so? 10:38:05 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:38:16 not certain 10:38:28 |amethyst: i implemented what we talked about yesterday https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/244 10:38:31 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus IMO the boolean property should be erased rather than set to false 10:38:31 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 10:38:32 !lm * abyss.enter abyss:5 s=noun 10:38:34 335 milestones for * (abyss.enter abyss:5): 81x the power of Zot, 59x a Zot trap, 46x an ancient lich, 36x a distortion unwield, 14x Lugonu's touch, 9x Xom, 7x a lich, 6x an antique lich, 6x miscasting Controlled Blink, 4x miscasting Dragon's Call, 3x Syader's ghost, 3x the capriciousness of Xom, 2x Margery, 2x the eldritch tentacle, Del Xay, miscasting Disjunction, cho0898's ghost, miscasting Pha... 10:38:36 the xp numbers in the branch look quite low, i definitely don't think you should be able to guarantee an exit with just a few kills, anyway 10:39:05 <|amethyst> bgiannan: I saw... will have to do some testing on g++ 4.7 since that's what's on several servers and I'm not sure about its std::chrono support 10:39:18 ok 10:39:19 <|amethyst> bgiannan: it seems to work fine with 4.8 10:39:32 <|amethyst> I haven't read over the code yet 10:39:40 alright 10:39:47 let me know if i need to fix some things 10:40:15 there's no travsi build with gcc 4.7 ? 10:40:21 travis* 10:40:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:40:57 thought 4.7 had some c++11 compat issues? 10:40:59 <|amethyst> no, but probably we should set that up instead of 4.8 10:41:12 <|amethyst> geekosaur: it does, that's why I am concerned 10:41:22 <|amethyst> servers need a dist-upgrade or two 10:41:44 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:04 <|amethyst> bgiannan: one thing I can see right off... you should also add your new event to dgn_event_type_names[] in l_dgnevt.cc 10:42:24 ok 10:42:39 -!- West1C has quit [] 10:42:49 <|amethyst> I would say to add a comment, but there's already one there :) 10:42:53 <|amethyst> bgiannan: err, oh 10:43:00 <|amethyst> bgiannan: DET_AUTOFIGHT_WARNING = 0x11000 10:43:13 <|amethyst> bgiannan: is that supposed to be DET_PRESSURE_PLATE | DET_UNUSED ? 10:43:42 oh no i just realized the meaning of those hex values 10:43:44 <|amethyst> otherwise it should be 0x20000 10:43:45 <|amethyst> :) 10:43:47 <|amethyst> actually 10:43:51 <|amethyst> you can just replace DET_UNUSED 10:43:57 <|amethyst> and make your 0x1000 10:44:01 <|amethyst> s/your/yours/ 10:44:09 <|amethyst> and change the "unused" in dgn_event_type_names 10:44:09 ok 10:44:17 <|amethyst> while you're at it, you could maybe do something like 10:45:06 <|amethyst> DET_LAST = DET_PRESSURE_PLATE (as an additional enumerator) 10:45:06 <|amethyst> then 10:45:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:45 <|amethyst> COMPILE_CHECK(DET_LAST == 1 << (ARRAYSZ(dgn_even_type_names) - 1)); 10:45:51 <|amethyst> might want to double-check my math 10:46:06 <|amethyst> (this would go at the global level after that array) 10:46:16 <|amethyst> s/even_/event_/ 10:46:26 well in fact autofight_warning is not used via events like hp_warning 10:46:28 <|amethyst> the idea being to enforce that the array has exactly the right number of entries 10:46:32 so maybe i don't need all this 10:47:01 <|amethyst> oh, I see 10:47:08 <|amethyst> it doesn't look like it's actually used anywhere? 10:47:35 <|amethyst> Also, that message "I need to give more thought to this attack" will need to change, since we never make the player speak 10:47:35 yeah i started by copying hp_warning because it was the closest to what i wanted to do but i realize now that i didn't have to 10:47:57 -!- plathrop has left ##crawl-dev 10:47:59 yes i wasn't sure about the wording there 10:48:03 <|amethyst> and I see a stray tab in player.h 10:48:12 <|amethyst> (on last_view_update) 10:48:19 so i'll remove DET_HP_WARNING 10:48:23 <|amethyst> cool 10:49:36 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:50:19 what would be a good sentence for the warning ? same but talking to the player ? 10:50:24 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:52:23 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:54:33 <|amethyst> bgiannan: hm, not sure 10:54:48 <|amethyst> I guess since it's non-default there's no need to mention the option name so people can disable it 10:55:08 <|amethyst> bgiannan: btw, does handle_real_time_delta() get called alongside every handle_real_time() call? 10:56:17 pretty much, but maybe some of them are useless for that purpose 10:57:27 <|amethyst> I was thinking your function should subsume handle_real_time 10:57:31 (the 'stray' tab near last_view_update is juste alignment with previous lines, it's spaces not tabs) 10:57:47 <|amethyst> and you.last_keypress_time_ms should subsume you.last_keypress_time 10:58:15 <|amethyst> bgiannan: oh, I see, github was hilighting it because it had changed, not because it was a tab 10:58:21 yes 10:59:27 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:37 you mean handle_real_time should call handle_real_time_delta ? 10:59:38 <|amethyst> hm, is you.real_time_delta needed? 11:00:07 yep it's what i use to know if the threshold is passed 11:00:21 <|amethyst> oh, right, it's from command to command 11:00:23 <|amethyst> not command to present 11:00:30 yes 11:00:48 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:50 <|amethyst> bgiannan: re calling hrtd: yes, except that probably you could eliminate half of what handle_real_time does already 11:01:11 <|amethyst> bgiannan: by using last_keypress_time_ms instead of last_keypress_time 11:01:34 <|amethyst> bgiannan: since you can divide by 1000 easily enough for incrementing you.real_time :) 11:02:09 <|amethyst> so probably rather than one function calling another, it would just be one function with three or so lines 11:02:10 -!- neongrey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:02:17 good idea 11:02:20 <|amethyst> instead of two functions with two lines each 11:02:50 <|amethyst> if you change you.real_time itself you will need save compat code 11:02:51 i had issue with the min function with chrono but i'll figure it out 11:03:13 yes that was the other issue, real_time is saved 11:03:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:03:34 <|amethyst> hmm 11:03:36 <|amethyst> oh 11:03:36 but i can cast to int into you.real_time 11:03:46 so there's no changes to saving 11:03:48 <|amethyst> I guess I do see an issue 11:03:59 <|amethyst> which is rounding 11:04:27 <|amethyst> because if you just round the delta down, you'll lose seconds on real_time 11:04:57 <|amethyst> maybe make you.real_time into chrono::milliseconds but then do the conversion on marshalling/unmarshalling in tags.cc 11:05:15 <|amethyst> so it's still stored as seconds, but within a session it's tracked to the millisecond 11:06:16 so the error will be in the save 11:06:20 <|amethyst> yeah 11:06:27 <|amethyst> and since you're not saving multiple times per second 11:06:31 <|amethyst> it's not a big deal 11:06:37 yeah 11:06:41 i'll try that 11:08:00 <|amethyst> hmm 11:08:04 <|amethyst> well, saving several times a second does happen, but you're not quitting in between those saves so the ephemeral error term is still there 11:08:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1533-g8f38a7d: Shorten player breath weapon ranges for squarelos 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8f38a7d56553 11:08:26 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1534-g642cb5c: Fix orb-shaped monsters having buggy hands 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/642cb5c5bca4 11:08:50 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:08:50 !tell pleasingfungus i bet you will enjoy the cause of the great orb of eyes handbugs 11:08:51 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:09:11 MarvinPA: nice 11:09:18 <|amethyst> hm 11:09:32 <|amethyst> maybe GOB's hand should be "sulcus" 11:09:49 <|amethyst> or "pons" 11:09:50 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:09:55 oh but chrono has some helpers to convert from milliseconds to seconds etc. 11:10:13 well i'll still need to cast to int 11:10:25 but i guess without rounding issue 11:11:52 -!- stickyfingers has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:13:02 -!- inre has quit [] 11:13:37 MarvinPA: could spit acid actually fire out of LOS? 11:13:46 that would be a good tech 11:14:01 -!- thrig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14:09 i don't think so, didn't actually check though 11:15:31 i feel like it's capped somewhere else since lightning bolt also gets >7 range for example but that's capped at los 11:16:43 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:17:11 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:17:56 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:24:33 lightning bolt gets >7 range? does it go up with power like flame tongue? 11:24:41 amalloy: IIRC yes 11:25:30 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:25:39 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:25:47 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1535-g243bd92: Reduce Tukima's Dance power modifier 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/243bd92fd936 11:26:32 -!- svendre has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:26:41 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:52 MarvinPA: descending resetting the xp counter was not intentional 11:26:52 PleasingFungus: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:27:00 accidentally added that midway through implementing the feature, will fix in a sec 11:28:59 but my thought is that it's okay not to strongly focus on encouraging players to go deeper to escape; it's okay if the reason to go deeper is mainly to get the rune 11:29:29 since the idea with this mechanic is that it provides a different interesting escape tradoff 11:29:32 *tradeoff 11:30:43 oh 11:30:59 actually, whoever claimed that going deeper into the abyss would reset the xp counter was wrong 11:30:59 good 11:31:12 !blame2 neil 11:31:12 nnneeeiiilll 11:32:23 -!- sf has quit [Client Quit] 11:33:35 03PleasingFungus02 07[abyss-kills-again] * 0.18-a0-1531-g8401627: Erase a prop instead of falsing it (|amethyst) 10(62 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8401627930a3 11:34:04 MarvinPA: the handbug bug :( :( :( 11:34:06 whyyy 11:36:47 sounds like that fix 11:36:49 bugs you 11:38:01 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ohh 11:38:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I missed that break further up under if (old_level.branch == BRANCH_ABYSS) 11:38:50 <|amethyst> which makes the surrounding code make more sense now :) 11:41:12 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:42:16 |amethyst: what about "You should not fight recklessly!" ? 11:48:13 <|amethyst> "You did the mash / The keyboard mash / Don't do the mash / Or your TrMo is ash" 11:49:12 <|amethyst> that sounds reasonable, but it isn't clear that it comes from this option 11:49:14 -!- thrig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49:24 -!- sanka has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:49:48 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:49:56 <|amethyst> since we already have "You are too injured to fight recklessly!" "You are too hungry to fight recklessly!" etc 11:50:21 <|amethyst> where "recklessly" means just "autofight", nothing about the frequency 11:51:04 <|amethyst> but "You should not fight recklessly!" is fine for now, and someone can improve it if they want 11:52:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:52:23 alright 11:53:00 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 11:53:50 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:57:18 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:49 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:17 03Benoit Giannangeli02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/244 * 0.18-a0-1486-gb79f1b8: Removed useless DET_HP_WARNING 10(57 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b79f1b8594e9 12:04:17 03Benoit Giannangeli02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/244 * 0.18-a0-1487-gff7b574: Replaced handle_real_time now uses real_time_delta 10(7 minutes ago, 8 files, 13+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff7b5743ffba 12:08:47 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:11:05 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:15:57 -!- Rust3dCor3 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:20:18 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:21:15 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:54 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1535-g243bd92 (34) 12:28:53 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:05 -!- giann has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:30:31 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:33:17 -!- neongrey has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:35:39 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:45:31 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:45:51 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:46:05 -!- eb has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:51:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:53:00 -!- eb_mobile has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:00:49 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:36 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:09:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:16:01 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:17:49 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:20:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:24:51 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:27:50 -!- thrig has quit [Changing host] 13:28:32 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:21 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:38:26 -!- DrStalker has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:44:33 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:52:41 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest88930 13:54:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:55:31 -!- WorkSight has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:59:52 -!- vfoley has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:49 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:44 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:01:55 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:01:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:01 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 14:09:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:09:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 14:10:07 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:28 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:21:01 -!- Utis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:25:13 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:12 -!- Mordru has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:29:10 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - 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Use !messages to read it. 16:33:20 http://crawl.xtahua.com:8080/#watch-4thArraOfDagon watching this and it's really confusing 16:33:24 !messages 16:33:25 (1/1) zxc said (13h 38m 42s ago): fix ttyrec links pls! 16:37:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:43:53 -!- heratera has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:48:54 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:52:12 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:59 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:07 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:05:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:05:41 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:06:53 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:59 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:10:40 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:16 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:16:53 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:20:07 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:25:37 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:26:35 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:30:09 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:31:44 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:35:21 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:35:57 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:04 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 17:37:23 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 17:39:01 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:52 03Benoit Giannangeli02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/244 * 0.18-a0-1488-ge76cb7f: you.real_time is you.real_time_ms/1000 10(32 seconds ago, 3 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e76cb7f02ef9 17:45:03 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:45:37 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:20 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:46:59 03Benoit Giannangeli02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/244 * 0.18-a0-1489-g6dc0d0f: you.real_time_ms is initialized at save loading with you.real_time * 1000 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6dc0d0f1a1b6 17:47:37 !tell |amethyst I merged handle_real_time and handle_real_time_delta as we discussed: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/244 17:47:37 giann: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 17:49:24 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:50:12 03PleasingFungus02 07[abyss-kills-again] * 0.18-a0-1532-gcd5a6dd: Add a default force-more for abyss xp gates 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cd5a6dd694f3 17:56:01 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:00:50 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:06 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1535-g243bd92 (34) 18:03:51 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:07:09 -!- alvarops has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:12:49 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:18:28 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Client Quit] 18:19:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:19:38 PleasingFungus: want to talk H today? 18:19:45 sssure 18:19:48 whatcha thinkin 18:20:53 wondering what you were thinking about the capstone 18:20:55 if you'd tried it etc 18:21:02 ahh 18:21:05 sorry i've been shamefully neglecting it 18:21:16 much dishonour 18:21:23 seppuku incoming probably 18:22:31 is https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl-ref/commit/be0a5730c8ef02d1e3c5692c346f937c7e1606a1 still the latest? 18:24:06 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:23 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:06 i do wonder if it'd make sense to bring back deathswap effects as (a) just a swap effect and (b) just explosions (or just implosion maybe? idk) 18:25:23 if transference on its own is too boring 18:25:26 i need to play with it more myself 18:26:41 I would almost never use transference w/o a death or swap effect 18:27:08 tho to be fair, I also wouldn't really use Hep w/o the death/swap effect, because I found it to be by far the most interesting aspect tactically 18:27:27 PleasingFungus: no, i probably force-pushed over it. You can see the latest always here https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl-ref/tree/hep-capstone 18:27:51 Lasty: brutal 18:27:53 -!- Lasty has left ##crawl-dev 18:27:55 haha 18:28:00 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:04 hi again 18:28:11 wow, burn the guy and then just walk away 18:28:25 burn? I thought it was a complement for the original design 18:28:27 PleasingFungus: did you ever consider making death action occur every transferrance 18:28:47 er 18:28:55 you mean, the same magnitude? 18:28:59 like, yeah 18:29:18 that would be really strong unless the death effect were toned down (assuming explosion 18:29:19 that would be a simplification 18:29:26 (since explosion is the good one) 18:29:29 haha 18:29:35 other people thought dispersal was the good one 18:29:47 very happy that there was some difference of opinion on that one, at least 18:30:08 slowing is the good one!! 18:30:16 dispersal was awful 18:30:19 implosion is the bad one 18:30:23 dang 18:30:24 i picked it thinking it would be good and i wanted to die 18:30:26 these disagreements will be 18:30:27 the death of you 18:30:29 ! 18:30:39 implosion would be really good if my ally never died when next to me 18:30:41 amalloy: I nerfed it at one point, idk if you chose it before or after that 18:30:50 chequers: implosion was just a mess 18:30:50 !lg . hep x=end 18:30:51 1. [end=2016-02-28 01:05:31 [20160128010531S]] amalloy the Fencer (L27 HuFi of Hepliaklqana), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-02-28 01:05:31, with 1562084 points after 73933 turns and 7:44:36. 18:30:52 a well-intended mess 18:30:58 ya 18:31:39 %git 0a3b2586419ed52289a368f34793c73a211af308 18:31:39 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1442-g0a3b258: Make [some] deathswap effects scale with Invo 10(3 weeks ago, 2 files, 9+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0a3b2586419e 18:31:45 posisbly I over-nerfed it 18:31:48 ah well 18:32:19 if i was gonna remove the choice, which I kind of want to to make room for chequers' capstone 18:32:25 then explosion feels like the only one that's sort of 'safe' 18:32:34 well, I guess slow is fine too 18:32:48 i didn't like explosion just because I feel direct damage is boring and harder to scale 18:32:51 dispersal and implosion are obviously more situational 18:33:03 i've already forgotten the fifth one 18:33:14 just don't remove the ability that allows every one of my ancestors to be Octavia 18:33:16 oh, right, fog 18:33:20 haha 18:33:25 yeah also situational obviously 18:33:29 (although, perhaps it could be like the pizza option and just hidden in rc) 18:33:33 chequers: slowing was fine, but partly because 0 Invo gives you fine results with it. Explosion you need lots of Invo for, but it pays off like crazy. 18:33:42 chequers: heh, I kind of like that 18:33:59 if 0 invo slow was 2 turns and 27 invo was like 20 turns, I would level the hell out of invo 18:35:04 chequers: yeah 18:35:12 well 18:35:18 if Invo 27 was like 60 turns 18:35:28 well, not like it's hard to trigger the effect 18:35:48 i'm still not sure how important i want invo to be for this god. my feeling is that it's not a god that needs to strongly encourage invo 18:36:51 60 turns or 60 auts? 18:37:00 cos 60 turn slow would be wow 18:37:30 well, 27 Invo is a loooot of skill 18:37:34 it better give me soemthing amazing 18:38:03 it reminds me of that thing where you find a DECj ghost on d:4 and it casts dazzling spray 20 times in a row but you don't die because you're a mifi but it takes foreeeeevvver to kill 18:38:15 *flashbacks* 18:39:25 Keep in mind that Slow is a level 2 hex that's still often not worth learning... 18:39:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:26 -!- PleasingFungus has left ##crawl-dev 18:40:30 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:37 keep in mind that slow is a single-target mr-resisted hex 18:41:09 True! But it is cheap, and lots of things have low MR 18:41:12 and that reducing your opponents actions by 33% is a pretty strong effect 18:41:21 imo... 18:41:57 Lasty: level 27 invo gives something for a lot of gods that's not that exciting 18:42:15 like who levels invo to 27 for okawaru? or chei? 18:42:39 well anyway, I do agree that it's not a god I'd really expect to have to level invo 18:43:05 i think it's great for hep to require invo. FR reflavor invo as "storytelling" 18:43:07 but I like makh because you can have either low or high invo builds. And there might be some design here to allow the same sort of thing. 18:43:37 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:43:54 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:44:08 sure 18:44:47 my current feeling is to bring back deathswap effects, but only one type (to preserve my sanity), and only on transference 18:44:59 rather than also on death (so it'd just be a swap effect) 18:45:09 probably it'd just be an inherent part of the ability 18:45:44 -!- melenkurio has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:56 -!- st_ has quit [] 18:49:26 -!- Sandman25 has quit [Client Quit] 18:49:48 I like that 18:49:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:50:11 reducing opponent actions by 33% is a lot like having haste, and haste is good, but 2 turns of haste is pretty bad, especially when you realize that it took you 10 aut to get the effect in the first place, meaning you're down a third of a turn in net 18:50:36 well sure the numbers can be quibbled with considering I invented them in <5 seconds 18:50:40 And sure, 27 invo doesn't always get you anything, but this is in response to someone saying they'd pay 27 invo for 20 turns of slow 18:50:59 i wouldn't be opposed to 60 turns of slow at 27 invo :) 18:51:10 feels weird to be on the nerf side of a crawl-dev argument 18:51:40 !nerf chequers 18:51:40 * Sequell nerfs chequers!!! 18:51:40 i think scaling it based on what happens at 27 invo is pointless. figure out where you want it to be at a high but realistic level of invo, like say 18 18:51:52 and then make it stonger at 27 because who cares 18:53:11 imo powers at 27 invo can be ridiculous 18:53:15 Sure, that's fine. Again, I was responding to something specific. 18:53:18 see: Disaster Area, Apocalypse, oklob farms <.< 18:53:25 i'm not sure that anyone is disagreeing with lasty 18:53:31 I disagree with PleasingFungus. 18:53:31 also oklobs mostly stop scaling at like 22 invo iirc 18:53:36 Grunt: apocalypse is OP at 0 18:53:38 iirc it is 20 18:53:42 22 is like 20. 18:53:48 I disagree with PleasingFungus. 18:53:49 <.< 18:53:51 noooo 18:53:58 -!- Brannock has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:56:46 chequers: would you be offended if I laughed about your still having "thingy" as your prompt in the hep cap 18:57:17 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:20 if so, too late 18:57:29 haha 18:57:36 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:00:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:50 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:18 PleasingFungus: :) 19:01:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1536-ge9b3397: Encourage murder in the Abyss (regret-index) 10(19 hours ago, 8 files, 80+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e9b3397e1e8c 19:02:41 chequers: I still agree with |amethyst that the seeing those raw choice numbers around is distressing; they should probably be enums 19:02:47 possibly one enum per class, idk 19:02:58 HEPL_CHOICE_FIRST & _SECOND? 19:02:59 i'm distressed that we'd ever want to not encourage murder 19:03:02 oh, per class 19:03:03 -!- giann has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:27 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:35 !learn add wheals i'm distressed that we'd ever want to not encourage murder 19:03:35 wheals[12/12]: i'm distressed that we'd ever want to not encourage murder 19:03:37 HEPL_CHOICE_BATTLEMAGE_CORROSIVE_BOLT & HEPL_CHOICE_HEXER_PAIN_BRAND type stuff? 19:03:40 maybe something like HEXER_ANTIMAGIC vs HEXER_MASS_CONFUSION 19:03:48 got it 19:03:48 I think you can reduce verbosity a little 19:03:54 learn from my mistakes 19:04:02 my mistakes were being way too verbose with everything hep related 19:04:02 still waiting for you to rename the god 19:04:06 haha 19:04:11 !banish chequers 19:04:11 Grunt casts a spell. chequers is cast into the Abyss! 19:04:14 but you can't force me to! 19:04:16 you're 19:04:18 heplesss 19:04:19 !glasses 19:04:20 ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) 19:04:21 ! 19:04:22 noooooooooooo 19:04:28 sounds like PleasingFungus wants to 19:04:30 this channel has too many dads 19:04:30 keep hep alive 19:04:38 oh 19:04:45 um 19:04:48 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:04:58 i would remove the hd 8 weapon type change entirely 19:05:00 for knight 19:05:04 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:05:07 the entire point of the capstone is that it's a big dramatic change in capabilities 19:05:12 i.e. weapon type change 19:05:16 so long blade -> capstone? 19:05:22 yeah, and shift other stuff earlier 19:05:24 like fire brand 19:05:29 and speed brand, for that matter 19:05:32 ok 19:05:35 ok 19:05:47 i have a big chart somewhere of what gets unlocked at what hd, if that would be helpful 19:05:56 !chart PleasingFungus 19:06:15 i've long considered myself a bit of a chartist.... 19:06:30 ^ obscure and questionable references 19:06:45 . 19:07:20 there's one other change I was mulling. You mentioned that it's weird to change the weapon base type in the endgame. I was wondering what you thought about making this an earlier choice with say 2/3 points of differentiation behind it 19:07:48 not sure I exactly understand 19:08:06 "do you want your battlemage to focus on single target or group damage?" -> path 1 = iron shot & lcs, path 2 = bold of fire & corrosive bolt 19:08:42 knight goes trident -> dtrident vs war axe -> broad axe, hexer goes draining -> antimagic or something -> mass confusion 19:08:42 "Do you want your hexer to focus on hexing things or doing whatever it feels like?" 19:09:22 the more you try and control your ancestor the more they will rebel against you in their ghostly puberty 19:09:27 whoa 19:09:37 1learn add reserved_team_names 19:09:48 Spectral Teens 19:09:52 Ghostly Puberty 19:09:52 Ectoplasmic Revolution 19:10:19 Smells like Ectoplasmic Spirits 19:10:25 !learn add reserved_team_names Ectoplasmic Revolution [PleasingFungus] 19:10:25 reserved team names[1/1]: Ectoplasmic Revolution [PleasingFungus] 19:10:27 oh 19:10:31 clan? 19:10:35 ??reserved clan names 19:10:35 reserved clan names[1/13]: Akrasiac Record 19:10:36 ah 19:10:40 learn mv 19:10:44 !learn mv reserved_team_names[1] reserved_clan_names[14] 19:10:44 reserved_team_names[1] -> reserved clan names[14/14]: Ectoplasmic Revolution [PleasingFungus] 19:10:48 o/ 19:10:48 :) 19:10:53 \o 19:11:10 smells like ectoplasmic spirits is also very good 19:11:31 chequers: that would make it not a capstone choice, of course 19:11:36 going back to your suggestion 19:12:04 PleasingFungus: i think chequers is suggesting an early choice that determines how they will progress throughout the game 19:12:34 hm, that seems oddly familiar 19:12:41 ie, you choose single-target damage for a battlemage and they get stone arrow instead of like...LRD. then later they get bolt of fire instead of fireball 19:12:48 what if you could choose like 19:12:52 some kind of class for your ancestor 19:13:06 also as I understand it he's suggesting more of a mid-game choice than an early one 19:13:14 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:13:46 i think choosing a weapon type early is a big improvement for knights; the weirdo midgame switch from swords to axes, and overwriting an existing brand, disoriented me 19:14:16 it didn't seem like i was gradually remembering more and more about my ancestor, because later memories were inconsistent with earlier ones 19:14:58 this would be a midgame switch, but one you decided on, for whatever it was worth 19:15:08 and my vague thought there was that you were remembering later stages of your ancestor's heroic career 19:15:20 i guess I should see if i can communicate that more clearly 19:15:58 well, i guess it was fine to switch from swords to axes actually: that's like..."i couldn't remember his weapon so i just imagined a sword" to "oh yeah it was an axe" 19:16:06 lol 19:16:08 likewise adding the flaming brand 19:16:15 but then flaming->speed?? 19:16:43 PleasingFungus: i agree with everything you said 19:16:55 wow 19:16:56 "that's not what I meant by blazingly fast, Hep" 19:17:10 i wonder how long I can continue this streak 19:17:10 PleasingFungus: perhaps a better UX is to be prompted at various points to make a decision about your ancestor's path 19:17:15 I disagree with PleasingFungus. 19:17:15 :b 19:17:23 eg, to unify the class choice + capstone choice into a single UI 19:17:36 huh 19:18:10 my vague feeling is that it'd make the god harder to balance for the early game 19:18:21 since 'when it became useful' would vary so much by when you picked it up 19:18:43 rather than the current thing, which is a roughly fixed time after you start worshipping (2*) 19:18:54 i mean vanilla ancestor isn't *useless* but it's not good 19:19:03 "single UI" = the class choice and capstone choice use a different UI right now (use when you want class choice vs forced menu at xl27) 19:20:16 here's what I imagine: you get a choice at ** for ancestor class. And you get a choice at XL27 for a capstone ability. But somewhere in the middle is a third choice which sets your classed ancestor down one of two(/three?) differing paths 19:20:37 huh, this is getting pretty complicated 19:20:49 !simplify PleasingFungus 19:21:43 yeah. One problem I haven't mentioned with the capstone yet is that since it fires at XL27, some (winning) games will never see it 19:22:03 it's way harder to reach than any other capstone 19:22:25 true 19:22:43 of course, if you're going with the 'different paths' approach, and you want a unified ui, another solution would be to 19:22:47 put the choice at 6* 19:23:11 but of course you'd need something that would make sense at any level, which is tricky for non-knight ancestors 19:23:18 -!- feksclaus has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 19:23:28 right 19:23:43 don't want to give mass confusion at XL12 for people who found faith and an altar on d:2 19:24:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:21 though, of course, the ancestor's hd limited hd will make that somewhat less silly than it'd otherwise be 19:24:25 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:24:35 and maybe it'd be fun to have a slightly op ancestor for a while if you get the right luck 19:25:33 pretend I put "spellpower" in that sentence somewhere, maybe instead of one of the two "hd"s 19:25:47 the ancestor's spellpower limited spellpower 19:26:40 one!!! 19:26:45 god, you people 19:26:59 PleasingFungus, your god. 19:27:01 more thinking: instead of having the capstone at all, just have the midgame choice which branches your ancestor class 19:27:05