00:00:15 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:31 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:06:39 -!- Lasty1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:07:22 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:11:26 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1427-g2e40b1f: Simplify shock serpent discharges 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 36+ 58-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2e40b1f43b34 00:12:21 hm 00:12:28 should've amended my old commit 00:12:30 pity 00:12:32 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:17:34 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:25:59 shock serpent discharges were too complicated? 00:26:59 i mean, whoever wrote the learndb description of them apparently had english as their seventh language in terms of the clarity it provides, but i always just thought the strength of the discharge was proportional to the damage you did to the serpent 00:27:45 PleasingFungus: gonna try an H game on cbro. anything in particular you'd like me to test? 00:28:09 amalloy: I guess just 'not battlemage, probably, unless you want to' 00:28:21 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1426-g3b9a63c (34) 00:28:34 I really need to rethink the piety / deathswap situation 00:28:41 those are the two really big holes in the design right now 00:29:08 roger 00:29:42 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:29:56 all these people, testing my god before it's perfect and flawless 00:30:01 such a waste... 00:30:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:30:29 also, "charge in and whack people with a staff then maybe shoot stone arrow a couple times" is the preferred AI for the battlemage? 00:30:41 it's monster ai 00:30:53 heh 00:31:07 it's predictable and usable 00:31:24 is there a better way to tell it what to do? t-a in particular seems to make it think i want it to run in 00:31:44 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 00:32:37 attacking enemies will mark them as your target; this includes ranged and (as of now) spell attacks 00:32:48 so usually you won't need to use t-a 00:33:28 ah 00:33:56 i haven't tried it in a little while. maybe spell attacks weren't being registered properly when i did 00:34:17 I was trying to find the commit and failed 00:34:20 so maybe it unhappened somehow 00:34:24 some horrible git witchcraft 00:35:07 %git 479f462ae90e668fe20da10a9052a24e06a3d801 00:35:07 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1441-g479f462: Make allies target enemies hit by spells 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/479f462ae90e 00:35:09 there we go 00:35:28 this has funny effects when you cast fireball near plants 00:35:53 allies are pretty wonky about plants anywy 00:35:55 anyway 00:36:50 it's the same thing as axes and plants 00:36:52 basically 00:40:21 makes sense 00:40:49 doesn't currently apply to hexes, since I was undecided about whether that was desirable (especially for hibernation) 00:43:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:29 PleasingFungus: accesss to your ancestor at 0* seems really strong compared to other gods who make you wait for any payoff. why should H be so generous? 00:49:35 amalloy: reasonable question. h isn't the *only* god who takes effect immediately (off the top of my head, chei & gozag), but certainly one of the more dramatic initial effects, even though the early ancestor is quite weak 00:49:55 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:00 chei takes effect immediately, but you get the penalty immediately as well 00:50:05 well 00:50:11 you also get the penalty of ancestor god right away 00:50:16 what's that? 00:50:23 you're locked into ancestor god 00:50:27 unless you want wrath 00:50:37 chei gives you an active penalty 00:50:41 sure 00:51:06 i've considered moving the ancestor grant to 1* but sort of don't want to for now; it'd add code complexity and special cases 00:51:17 if the god seems overpowered, then we can revisit that 00:52:51 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:53:50 okay 00:54:36 so many nice items in shops. too bad i ddn't go gozag 00:55:07 rip 00:55:24 technically 00:55:34 allygod is only the second god to give you an ally on joining 00:56:06 I thought the jelly given by jiyva upon joining was neutral 00:56:14 :P 00:56:18 details! 00:56:26 heh 00:56:37 well, beogh also gives neutrals in that case 00:56:49 unless you find an altar! 00:56:49 except in the rare case of joining at an altar i guess 00:56:52 haha 00:57:05 I had considered saying "the second or third god" but was lazy 00:57:49 what gods give benefits at 0* piety anyways 00:57:55 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:58:02 chei, arguably gozag, pak 00:58:24 chei gives a stat boost at 0* piety? 00:58:31 is it really arguable when it's free 00:58:34 the aa ability 00:58:46 slow dudes next to you 00:58:49 whatever it's actually called 00:58:51 oh 00:58:59 and slower movement and a stat boost, iirc 00:59:05 haha 00:59:06 kiku technically gives a bonus at 0* 00:59:09 CanOfWorms: Arguable because gozag doesn't have normal piety 00:59:18 yes, "slower movement" is totally what i consider a chei bonus 00:59:22 PleasingFungus: What bonus? 00:59:23 benefit rather 00:59:34 increased hp when in death's door <_< 00:59:38 haha 00:59:39 oh 00:59:39 really? 00:59:43 i never knew that 01:00:07 hmm, isn't the HP dependent on piety 01:00:10 yes 01:00:15 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:16 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:00:23 so do you actually get that +1 HP at 0*? 01:00:24 but 0* is nonzero piety! 01:00:28 oh 01:00:32 specifically it's 15 piety, iirc 01:00:33 fedhas lets you walk through plants immediately 01:00:46 the good gods all give lifesaving immediately 01:00:49 ash also auto-IDs stuff 01:00:49 though it's not at all reliable 01:00:52 ha 01:00:56 it's never reliable 01:01:00 xom is the most reliable lifesaver 01:01:01 besides ely 01:01:08 1/10 base chance if I'm reading this right 01:01:12 oh yeah 01:01:16 really? i've never had it happen 01:01:18 on the good gods 01:01:20 except ely 01:01:21 xom gives you benefits the second you worship him! 01:01:28 haha 01:01:28 true 01:01:29 or at least very shortly afterwards 01:01:33 you get all the xom benefits! 01:01:36 immediately! 01:01:38 well 01:01:50 how often do you die under tso/zin/w/e 01:01:57 I guess just those two 01:01:59 not that often i guess 01:02:06 w? 01:02:21 I don't remember wulendraste having lifesaving when I tested him :v 01:02:34 it's 1/10 chance of livesaving at 0 piety, 28% chance at 200 piety 01:02:34 !banish Lightli 01:02:35 PleasingFungus casts a spell. Lightli is cast into the Abyss! 01:02:41 i'm on my march toward polytheist, so i won't be using zin or ely again for a while XD 01:02:48 nice 01:03:01 rip oldely and the He class 01:03:11 newely is fine 01:03:15 makhleb gives you hp restore immediately, lugonu gives protection from distort 01:03:27 ash has a bunch of stuff 01:03:29 not quite, makhleb doesn't give hp recovery until 1* piety 01:03:41 makhleb's HP recovery is (piety-30)/200 01:03:47 hm 01:03:49 so yeah 01:03:50 this code is misleading 01:03:52 sorry 01:03:53 it doesn't kick in until * 01:03:56 seems like nemelex often throws a deck your way basically within sight of his alter 01:04:08 s/alter/altar 01:04:23 qaz gives you cloud protection 01:04:30 // Nemelex will give at least one gift early. 01:04:33 very important 01:04:46 // But only if you're not flying over deep water. 01:04:46 considering you don't actually generate qaz clouds until * 01:04:50 haha 01:04:51 nice 01:04:52 conjure flame 01:05:00 ah right 01:05:02 and meph 01:05:07 i always forget that includes clouds you cast 01:05:08 hm 01:05:15 pro qaz strats 01:05:15 does that include clouds from a rod of clouds too? 01:05:17 n.b.: he *will* drop decks over deep water if you're a merfolk or octopode 01:05:18 yes 01:05:23 sweet 01:05:26 I guess they're waterproof 01:05:28 as long as you generated it 01:05:31 this reminds me of how several guys claim qaz to be worse than chei 01:05:34 if i ever do qaz again i'll totally exploit that 01:06:16 PleasingFungus: i was surprised my ancestor has a gender. it makes some sense, since it's a "unique", but i don't know that i like it 01:06:41 what, you expected to come from a long line of neuters? 01:06:56 i did have a request to add rare neuter ancestors 01:07:06 down with the gender binary, etc? 01:07:17 attack helicopter ancestors 01:07:18 that raises questions as to the nature of reproduction in crawl 01:07:41 let's never discuss those questions, ever. 01:07:41 although if we follow the warhammer 40k model, orks come from spores 01:07:42 so there's that 01:07:45 also 01:07:46 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:02 I think crawl does establish quite clearly that reproduction is based on spores 01:08:08 dang beaten to it 01:08:10 heh 01:08:11 :) 01:08:45 dwarf fortress no longer bases reproduction on spores! now organisms must make actual physical contact at some point to reproduce! 01:08:53 if we followed the 40k model, orks would be psychic fungal colonies with an economy based on teeth 01:09:05 not that there's anything wrong with that 01:09:08 ah, tooth fairy orks 01:11:14 it's just, the player gets to imagine whatever gender they like for anything else they get involved with: themself, their god, the hordes of monsters they slay. it was disruptive to be imagining my ancestor as male, and then hundreds of turns after see one of the rare gendered messages, with a "her" in it 01:11:47 i would have been less surprised if the name had some gender signifiers at least, but with Ealdgy i thought i was free to imagine what i liked, and then suddenly i wasn't 01:12:37 one of the things on the list is customizeable ancestor names 01:12:51 would make sense if gender was also customizeable 01:13:11 rather, would be weird if names were customizeable but genders weren't 01:13:26 yeah. but you also don't want to *force* gender on players: i think it's nice that most stuff is genderless and left up to your imagination 01:13:42 <|amethyst> well, these are real names 01:13:42 forcing gender on players... 01:14:00 <|amethyst> they just look ungendered because they're unfamiliar 01:14:06 well sure 01:14:15 PleasingFungus: btw, if the monster is gendered, it should say "She" in xv, not "It" 01:14:20 i would have gotten the clue a lot sooner 01:14:30 amalloy: where? 01:14:37 It is immune to poison and negative energy. 01:14:40 ah 01:14:41 and all such lines 01:14:48 hm, I wonder how that works now 01:14:59 might be my bug, might be someone else's bug 01:15:14 well, look up xtahua 01:15:17 his says He 01:15:43 ahhh 01:15:45 found it 01:15:52 mon-info assumes all monsters of a type have the same gender 01:15:57 i'll fix it in a sec 01:16:02 PleasingFungus: sudden thought; what if H ancestors were normally weak (specifically, dealt little damage) but an invocation made them temporarily much more powerful 01:16:28 you spend piety to have your ancestor go into ass-kicking mode 01:16:35 depends how weak 'weak' is, I guess 01:16:41 yeah 01:16:47 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:16:54 in non-asskicking mode they just heckle you 01:16:59 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:17:12 weak enough that you want to use the invocation, but strong enough that they're somewhat useful without doing so 01:17:25 <|amethyst> weak in offense, defense, or both? 01:17:37 offence, primarily 01:17:38 <|amethyst> because I think making them fragile without the invocation might be annoying 01:17:39 <|amethyst> yeah 01:17:40 they already have a defense buff 01:18:53 PleasingFungus: Teef are the foundation of a stable economy 01:19:14 :) 01:19:17 No Blood For Teef 01:19:33 a tooth for a tooth? 01:19:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1427-g2e40b1f (34) 01:20:04 I guess probably the best way to give a generic offensive boost would be to boost HD 01:20:04 well, the normal method of toof acquirement does involve violence 01:20:06 if not blood 01:20:09 though that would also boost ac and mr at present 01:20:11 hrm 01:21:08 and possibly give resists 01:21:09 so maybe not that 01:21:25 tricky, since each class sort of wants different things from an "offense boost" 01:21:39 my best original thought was haste, but they get that passively 01:22:30 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:36 what does invo do for H currently anyway? 01:23:14 duration of the buff, i would guess? 01:24:11 ability success rate, buff duration, healing amount, some deathswap effects' strength 01:25:59 PleasingFungus: it's super weird that romanticise uses & instead of and 01:26:20 in the description, that is 01:26:57 oh 01:27:05 sounds like sloppiness on my part 01:27:19 ??|amethyst[$ 01:27:19 |amethyst[24/24]: <|amethyst> but also the general Crawl principle of "we'll do some weird hard-to-tweak shit for our probability distribution, then figure out the math later" 01:28:23 honestly 01:28:32 would probably be better to adjust the end-use of it than randomly not incrementing 01:28:36 the bernoulli 01:28:38 hm 01:30:30 i'm really not at all sure this is right 01:30:36 but it might be better than nothing 01:31:28 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1428-ga8e49e5: Nerf extreme cases of gold distraction (Piginabag) 10(6 minutes ago, 4 files, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a8e49e5fe356 01:33:22 !tell marvinpa I tested and tweaked your gold distraction thing a bit, but I'm really not sure if it solves the problem; oneof us should probably have another look at some point 01:33:22 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 01:38:21 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:19 dpeg pls. i don't play on these experimental branches to deal with player ghosts 01:39:45 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1507-gf880d91: Display ancestor gender on xv (amalloy) 10(19 seconds ago, 2 files, 13+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f880d91dc76c 01:39:50 hahhaa 01:41:16 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1508-geeddf9d: Tweak the deathswap milestone wording 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eeddf9d54a37 01:41:43 dang, Ealdgy just switched from a long sword to a broad axe. was she an ash worshiper??? 01:42:47 idgi 01:43:16 crawl displays ? 01:43:33 PleasingFungus: because of skill transfer 01:43:47 I really wonder if I broke some terminals with some of those names 01:43:48 <|amethyst> If she were an ash worshipper her name would be ldgy 01:44:14 <|amethyst> These letters are a real orn in my side 01:44:19 ahahaha 01:44:27 |amethyst pls, you're killing me 01:44:36 one of the names is elind 01:44:40 close enough? 01:44:54 |amethyst: wonderful 01:44:56 oh ho ho 01:45:02 funny |amethyst 01:45:21 !learn add ancestor |amethyst: If she were an ash worshipper her name would be ldgy 01:45:21 ancestor[6/6]: |amethyst: If she were an ash worshipper her name would be ldgy 01:45:44 i feel slow today 01:47:59 i don't get the ldgy joke. orn i get 01:48:10 same here 01:48:41 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%86 01:49:16 <|amethyst> "its traditional name in English is still ash" 01:49:54 ahh 01:52:07 ??romanticise 01:52:07 Romanticise[1/1]: Hepliaklqana 3* ability. Heal your ancestor, remove debilitating status effects, and provide a short-duration elemental resistance buff. Healing & buff duration scale with Invocations. 01:52:58 how does that gold distraction nerf work exactly 01:53:30 PleasingFungus: would it be outrageous to use living adjectives for ancestors, instead of undead? like, wounded instead of damaged 01:53:58 hm 01:54:00 like what's "chance" 01:54:04 the gold value? 01:54:12 it's the number of goldcorpses that have been produced 01:54:20 you see there the only time it's set 01:54:25 <|amethyst> Could try marking them as MH_LIVING | MH_UNDEAD 01:54:25 well, the only time it's increased 01:54:26 afai 01:54:27 <|amethyst> see what that does 01:54:31 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1428-ga8e49e5 01:54:37 |amethyst: you reallly want to use the multiholy thing, don't you? 01:54:40 <|amethyst> err, NATURAL 01:54:41 :P 01:54:49 <|amethyst> I think that's ghost crab holiness 01:54:50 amalloy: I don't feel strongly about it 01:54:54 <|amethyst> which I guess isn't quite right 01:54:58 so it does slightly reduce the chance of the gold value incrementing even at low values? 01:55:06 ghost crabs are destroyed 01:55:16 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: when all you have is a four-headed hammer, everything looks like a carefully positioned matrix of nails 01:55:19 DrKe: yes. however on further consideration, I don't think that nerf actually fixe anything 01:55:21 *fixes 01:55:39 since as long as you can keep the duration going, you can still get crazy gold distraction 01:55:41 idk 01:55:51 maybe do something like after 10, you have to hit a one chance in 3 to increment it 01:56:03 maybe 01:56:06 just change gold distraction to only work 10% as often if your name is piginabag 01:56:14 also empirically a solid fix 01:56:19 the passive is really strong so it can brook a nerf tbh 01:56:47 sounds like a pretty good fix amalloy 01:57:33 the bernoulli thing should already work to prevent cases of monsters just never being able to act, it just doesn't in practice 01:57:51 too stronk in practice 01:58:28 like I was saying earlier 01:58:33 probably the right fix is to tinker with that bernoulli 01:58:48 rather than adding a hack in mon-death 01:58:52 i'm too tired rn tho 01:59:12 if only other devs were in the channel 01:59:14 to fix my mistakes 01:59:27 yes what a shame 02:00:15 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:40 does my ancestor's axe cleave hydra heads? 02:00:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:01:27 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1509-g12773c0: Let ancestors follow through portals 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 33+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/12773c0506f8 02:01:43 yeah, like 1/4 as often as player axes do iirc 02:02:03 you'll get flame ego at some point but possibly that should be shifted sooner 02:02:28 i dunno, i think it's fine that that downside exists 02:02:34 i shouldn't be fighting hydras anyway 02:02:39 haha 02:02:46 the god is strong enough as is, so far 02:03:19 Ealdgy solod a queen ant that i would have had terrible trouble with myself 02:03:23 haha 02:03:26 that rPois immunity 02:03:30 knight is probably the most straightforwardly strong ally 02:03:34 yeah 02:03:45 ac and shields help, probably 02:03:47 i had to romanticise four or five times, but who cares 02:03:50 hahaha 02:03:55 I was gonna ask if you'd been using that 02:04:08 for that fight, and once against a horde of killer bees 02:04:22 oh maybe once against a berserk bear 02:04:22 opinion about utility of the actives seems to vary wildly 02:04:29 haha 02:04:36 well my invo is 3 02:04:41 sure 02:04:46 it seems like it's stronger than it should be, at 3 02:04:51 but it only does one thing: heal him 02:04:54 well 02:04:56 also the ac 02:05:06 I think I might want to increase piety cost at some point 02:05:08 I have a note 02:05:13 is it ac? in game it doesn't specify, and learndb claims it's resistance 02:05:19 oops 02:05:22 learndb is out of date :( 02:05:25 rip 02:05:36 !learn add learndb woefully out of date 02:05:36 if you x, magic armour should show up 02:05:36 learndb[10/10]: woefully out of date 02:05:42 it does 02:05:45 ??romantici 02:05:45 romantici ~ Romanticise[1/1]: Hepliaklqana 3* ability. Heal your ancestor, remove debilitating status effects, and provide a short-duration elemental resistance buff. Healing & buff duration scale with Invocations. 02:05:46 but how do i know what that does 02:06:04 !learn e Romanticise[1 s/elemental resistance/ac 02:06:05 Romanticise[1/1]: Hepliaklqana 3* ability. Heal your ancestor, remove debilitating status effects, and provide a short-duration ac buff. Healing & buff duration scale with Invocations. 02:06:20 amalloy: well, just check ?/B for valuable buff information! 02:06:25 a sparkling, short-lived protective sheen 02:06:38 can't fool me! 02:06:38 :P 02:06:38 i know what ?/b is 02:06:43 I can't remember if that actually exists 02:06:45 so many ?/s 02:06:46 clearly it would be under ?5 02:06:53 I'm gonna add ?/buffs someday 02:06:55 just wait and see 02:07:02 it's been a todo forever 02:07:17 anyway, you can also see the ac pip difference, in principle 02:07:23 but you'd have to be lookin real close at xv 02:07:42 looking real close doesn't help: you have to remember what it is at various times 02:07:48 ya 02:07:55 FR make the extra pip green 02:07:56 would be cool if we had colors for ac and stuff 02:07:59 yeah 02:08:04 iirc adding color there isn't supported right now 02:08:10 would need considerable extra work 02:09:15 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:10:53 the ancestor equipment progression is randomised somehow, isn't it? is the final result random at all? 02:12:17 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:15:19 final result is fixed 02:15:27 there's a small randomization of rf/rc/sinv order 02:15:49 chequers and i have talked about randomizing it further, but no specific plans; final results will almost certainly remain fixed 02:17:21 Experimental (combo_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1509-g12773c0 02:18:11 cbro X branch automatically upgrades you, right, when you load? 02:18:33 well nm, i can see in ?v that it did 02:18:52 well, i'll just have to win tonight then! 02:19:03 to avoid whatever that upgrade foists upon me! 02:19:12 like green dart slugs! or rime drakes! 02:19:21 haha 02:19:32 I didn't merge in master 02:19:35 there's a conflict 02:19:44 putting off handling it 02:20:50 PleasingFungus: i just got the message " You can now trade places with your ancestor.", but a?c claims i can force any monster to swap with my ancestor. which is it? 02:21:01 oops 02:21:06 #2 02:21:10 will fix #1 in a sec 02:22:13 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1510-g0e84fac: Fix Transferrence unlock message (amalloy) 10(24 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0e84fac8524b 02:22:18 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:45 -!- West1C has quit [] 02:27:18 found another opportunity to use romanticise, while she was mowing down an orc knight and several mighted warriors. definitely piety well-spent, even at 4 invo 02:27:41 -!- Harudoku` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:30:11 one noteworthy thing is i need to think a lot about what moves to take in order to get my ancestor to stand where i want, since i have no direct control over that and the monster AI is too dumb to pick a good spot 02:30:30 spectral weapon has the same issue, but you don't have to deal with it for as large a part of the game 02:30:50 arguably, transference is another way to deal with that 02:33:22 yes, that's something i'm considering too. but i don't have access to it after my romanticise usages. and it's not a lot better, really, since you should consider what moves to make in order to make transference be more useful 02:34:33 fair 02:34:43 positioning is a crawl thing but if it's unfun that's a problem 02:35:03 wasn't unfun for me in my limited testing, but I am of course biased 02:36:58 i think positioning is fun for sure, it's just maddeningly indirect 02:37:22 "how do i trick my ally into acting like a reasonable person" is not my favorite part 02:37:30 haha 02:37:42 idk if there's a way to get around that entirely as long as you're playing crawl 02:37:49 and using an ally 02:38:22 FR "make my ancestor go away for a while", since this orc wizard confused him while i am killholing stuff 02:38:31 her 02:38:36 now she is axing me a lot of questions 02:40:21 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:40:30 haha 02:40:40 romanticize cures ailments 02:40:46 one button for all problems 02:41:17 it does??? 02:41:42 oh, i see it says that, but it wasn't so clear that "ailments" was more than just a flowery way of saying injury 02:41:51 since the rest of that desription is all flowery 02:43:49 oop 02:44:11 i have shamed my technical writing family 02:44:34 PleasingFungus: my ancestor is just standing around 02:44:40 not attacking anything i'm fighting 02:44:54 i think because there's an invisible monster nearby she wants to fight but doesn't know how 02:45:01 yeah I've had that report 02:45:04 it's very odd 02:45:15 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:45:20 it's on my list, anyway 02:45:32 i can switch to wizmode if you want more debug info on the monster 02:45:36 reproduced it earlier tonight but haven't looked into a fix 02:45:38 nah 02:45:41 okay 02:45:42 it's easy to repro 02:45:46 long list... 02:47:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 02:52:12 i think Ealdgy has met her match in rupert 02:53:23 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1511-g2a0da85: Allow customizing ancestor name & gender 10(36 seconds ago, 7 files, 109+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2a0da85964f4 02:53:31 haha 02:53:34 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1428-ga8e49e5 02:54:26 amalloy: ^ for you 02:54:32 and also others 02:54:35 but the gender thing is for you 02:54:48 well, neuter gender is for someone else 02:54:51 so many things. 02:55:07 probably it should have spivak pronouns or something... 02:55:41 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:57:37 neat 02:58:00 !tell chequers for another fun ancestor project, do that thing we might've talked about where ancestors sometimes have their names drawn from past characters'. also dynamically infer probable gender 02:58:00 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let chequers know. 02:58:14 i like the "you're pretty sure" 02:58:23 :P 02:58:43 thinking about it now, I am pretty sure I stole that from a specific somewhere 02:58:51 all kinds of weird things floating around my brain 02:58:58 popping up in crawl 02:59:02 leaves space to retcon a new gender re-choice 02:59:27 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:15 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:02:40 I had a vague thought that a hypothetical ancestor might've gone through phases and identities, and so all your choices might've been right at some point. or maybe your character's memory is just awful. either way works 03:03:18 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:04:43 -!- nikheizen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:04:54 PleasingFungus: you implied there are people who think romanticise *isn't* good? i've been in so many spots where it's like, "hm, i could let my ancestor die, or i could spend a turn making that not happen" 03:05:06 and honestly she does at least as much damage as i do, and has more hp 03:05:10 why would i let her die 03:05:42 don't ask me to explain players 03:08:09 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:08:13 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:49 hm, ancestors don't inherit any racial props, do they? 03:08:56 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1429-g6e54fa5: Make berserk/insane monsters reckless wrt traps 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e54fa59904a 03:09:00 Experimental (combo_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1511-g2a0da85 03:09:00 so like Sp^Hep will outrun their ancestor all the time 03:09:07 amalloy: my excuse is that they have a ghosty floaty tail 03:09:13 and also trying to make move speed match is nontrivial 03:09:23 since monster speeds don't work the same way that player speeds do 03:09:59 PleasingFungus: FR don't let me rename my ancestor to the empty string 03:10:05 haha 03:11:08 insane? 03:11:13 discord 03:11:20 oh 03:11:37 i didn't realize that frenzy was a form of insanity 03:11:47 canonically! 03:12:09 -!- Alex__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:14:22 who put all these fucking hydras in the dungeon 03:14:35 for my HuFI^Hep^Knight game 03:14:42 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1512-g46b9d76: FR don't let me rename my ancestor to "" 10(60 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/46b9d768c6e0 03:14:47 rude dudes 03:14:48 -!- Hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:16:29 -!- giann1 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:20:00 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1513-g7231208: Simplify 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7231208bc286 03:24:15 PleasingFungus: what about "Foo the ancestral knight" instead of "Foo the knight"? 03:24:51 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1429-g6e54fa5 (34) 03:25:01 a little worried about name length 03:25:54 i'm playing 80x24 and renamed mine to Running Dog, and i've still got 15-20 characters left in mlist 03:26:15 haha 03:26:18 why Running Dog? 03:26:21 are you Capitalism? 03:27:07 it's inspired by, and hopefully not offensive to, native american names from stories 03:27:40 second choice Beavis 03:28:09 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1430-g9c1b2fb: Simplify inscriptions space trimming 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c1b2fb3afc0 03:28:13 haha 03:30:48 Running Dog was a famous hydra slayer, unlike that layabout Ealdgy 03:32:03 brutal 03:32:07 i gotta sleep 03:32:08 but good luck! 03:33:38 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 03:39:29 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:41:11 !tell pleasingfungus Instead of "Foo remembers more of his skill" and so on, what about "You remember more of Foo's skill"? 03:41:11 amalloy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 03:45:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:45:19 -!- flappity_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 03:57:20 !tell pleasingfungus FWIW i'm not gaining a lot of H piety. i've been to orc:$, lair:$, and D:13, and i've used romanticise 26 times. i was once, briefly, at *****., but i've spent most of my time at ***... or ****.., and i've never seen ******, which seems different from how most gods go 03:57:21 amalloy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 04:00:15 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:32 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:12:48 !tell pleasingfungus can we move Ancestor Identity to the bottom of the (a) list? right now mine is like aJbc, but i'm not sure if that's an artifact of having updated mid-game. also, Ancestor Identity should be marked as Instant 04:12:48 amalloy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 04:13:16 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:13:25 -!- read is now known as owl 04:13:49 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 04:18:12 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:32:17 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:34:05 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:43:09 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 04:46:32 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 04:54:13 Arrgh... Wanted to do greatfelid with Hepl, forgot about >_Hepliaklqana does not accept worship from the spawn of common housecats! 05:00:16 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:12:30 -!- Snack_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:12:31 -!- giann1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:14:51 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:27 -!- giann1 has joined ##crawl-dev 05:19:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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[(y)es/(c)hoosy/(n)o/(a)ll/(e)dible/(q)uit/?] 07:14:58 choosy? 07:14:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:16:36 Is it possible to get an archive savegame file of my current game on CXC webtiles (trunk, username Gorice) for a bug report? 07:17:27 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:19:51 Gorice: i think you have to log in via console to backup a save 07:19:59 there's no interface for it in tiles 07:21:35 +amalloy thanks. I've never used console on CXC but I assume it will be pretty obvious how to do it if I log in that way? 07:21:37 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:22:05 yeah, you just hit (A)dvanced options and then (B)ackup save instead of (P)lay 07:22:33 +amalloy: Right thanks will go and try that. 07:25:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:27:22 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:53 03amalloy02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1515-g948dfd9: Use proper names for Hep's pseudo-items 10(8 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/948dfd976893 07:37:03 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:47:29 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:14 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:59 -!- Gorice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:01:18 -!- anno_ has quit [Client Quit] 08:06:36 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:38 -!- spring_break_08 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:14:30 !tell pleasingfungus Is it possible to give the ancestors demonic guardian AI (these have better target locking)? And also maybe give battlemages blink, they are too fragile, this might help. 08:14:30 Xenobreeder: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 08:15:17 -!- Lazy__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:20:16 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:26:15 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:49:34 -!- Lazy__ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:53:22 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:37 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 09:00:14 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:06:36 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1431-gd46e7da: Trim the changelog 10(40 minutes ago, 1 file, 43+ 80-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d46e7da967c1 09:06:36 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1432-g2c957a3: Fix all Ziggurats per-game having the same layout 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c957a37b421 09:17:02 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17:31 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:19:32 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:21:24 -!- West1C has quit [] 09:24:14 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 09:28:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:40:24 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:41:36 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:42:33 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:49:16 -!- Torax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:50:01 -!- Torax__ is now known as Tiltorax 09:58:13 -!- Mindiell has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:58:29 -!- Mindiell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:14 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:05 -!- vev has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:02:43 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:13:29 -!- Lazy__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:26:53 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:29:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:34:00 !comborobin 10:34:03 comborobin progress: 607/615 (98%) 10:34:14 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:46:31 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:54:54 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:00:14 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:39 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:22:34 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:50 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:38:22 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:49:01 -!- Piginabag has joined ##crawl-dev 11:50:18 !tell pleasingfungus I just discovered that I can rename my ancestor. Chris Angel, Magic Freak the hexer is a proud ancestor of my char. 11:50:18 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:51:28 Chris Angel, Magic Freak emerges from the mists of memory! 11:51:53 this has the potential to be fabulously tacky. 11:54:58 -!- sooheon has quit [Quit: ERC (IRC client for Emacs 24.5.1)] 11:58:35 *snrk* 11:58:42 Chris Angel, Magic Freak hits Rupert with a dagger of draining. Chris Angel, Magic Freak drains Ruper! 11:58:46 +t 12:00:18 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:03 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08:55 I hope the battlemage is better at battling than the hexer is at hexing 12:13:03 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:13:52 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:17:38 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:22:14 a8e49e5, you guys fiiiinally did it, huh 12:23:38 %git a8e49e5 12:23:38 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1428-ga8e49e5: Nerf extreme cases of gold distraction (Piginabag) 10(11 hours ago, 4 files, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a8e49e5fe356 12:23:50 Piginabag: we wanted to make sure you were done first 12:23:58 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:24:48 Lol, I was debating between declining the update and going on forever. or taking it like a man and trying to do a zig post nerf 12:26:04 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1432-g2c957a3 (34) 12:27:55 it seems fitting to throw my life on the line in one final zig 12:29:32 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:31:01 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:31:07 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:33:28 yeah, I think that's the clear way to go 12:36:04 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:36:05 arguably it needs testing... 12:36:28 so your patriotic duty to crawl is to do at least one zig with the nerf 12:36:35 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:38:26 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:32 * regret-index waves to piginabag. 12:39:45 -!- smith__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:39:57 -!- smith__ is now known as stirner 12:40:13 -!- stirner is now known as hedron 12:40:45 -!- hedron has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:49 assessing overly lethal early vaults has pointed me at tgw_xom, which leads me to a bit of a question 12:43:29 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:43:47 all weapons in the hands of monsters have visible brands, (for a long while) now, right? then there's a lot of needless ident:type in the .des files 12:47:30 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:13 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:51:59 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:53:35 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:54:11 I would like to see the "one zig shape per game" bug looked at ;D 12:54:58 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55:29 %git 12:55:29 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1432-g2c957a3: Fix all Ziggurats per-game having the same layout 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c957a37b421 12:55:29 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:57:27 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:59:09 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:00:16 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:06 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:07:32 -!- seren has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:10 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:10:32 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:23:36 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:39 thinking of splitting overflow.des into singular-god-focus-vaults and the rest to somewhat reduce the size, not sure what to name the files 13:28:53 overflow vs. mini-temple? 13:30:17 even in different folders I am reluctant to name something mini_temple.des with temple.des around 13:31:04 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:31:30 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:34:24 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:41:18 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 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pretty nuts 14:10:28 heh 14:18:16 yeah, after considering a variety of diluting warning gimmicks I think I will go with nerfing the two 8s to 9s in the slim D:8-11 it can be encountered before lair 14:23:08 what type of things can 8's be? 14:23:11 like, what's the worst-case? 14:25:55 (10+2)*2 = 24, which has... in whatever odds: sphinxes, stone giants, storm dragons, vampire knights, tengu reavers, war gargoyles 14:26:38 (or just a redback, or a harpy, or a deep troll) 14:27:28 yeah that range doesn't make sense to me 14:27:33 on d:8.. 14:28:24 that's insane 14:28:36 it's one thing if you want to put those guys in a runed vault with good loot 14:28:47 but minmay's vault literally has no benefit 14:29:33 that's the d:10 spawns 14:29:53 even for d10 14:30:03 @?war gargoyle 14:30:03 war gargoyle (109) | Spd: 14 | HD: 13 | HP: 44-59 | AC/EV: 22/4 | Dam: 30 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 1446 | Sp: metal splinters (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:30:04 of course 14:30:08 90 dmg 14:30:15 and spd 14 14:30:38 I do wonder if war gargoyles are too much for D oods, but 14:30:42 @??storm dragon 14:30:42 storm dragon (12D) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 87-121 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 25, 1509(claw), 1507(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2026 | Sp: b.lightning (3d19) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 14:30:43 one of the scariest enemies in a 3 rune game 14:30:54 slower and weaker, of course 14:31:01 behind a door on d10 14:31:12 yes yes I'm going to address it 14:31:20 i mean, i was a felid, but i'm not sure how any char survives that situation without blinking 14:31:21 you the man 14:31:23 thanks 14:32:24 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Client Quit] 14:33:11 war gargoyles are pretty fragile on the HP front to be fair 14:33:31 doesn't really matter when you're dead 14:33:45 %git 979a71a4b76 14:33:45 07reaverb02 * 0.16-a0-3031-g979a71a: Auto-ID chaos weapons in tgw_xom 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/979a71a4b765 14:33:48 there it is 14:42:25 -!- oxeimon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:42:56 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:11 second complaint of the day: does a fast enemy that can do 39 dam from range with 100% accuracy really belong in lair? 14:44:12 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:56 @??fire drake 14:44:56 unknown monster: "fire drake" 14:44:59 @?fire drake 14:44:59 unknown monster: "fire drake" 14:45:06 fire drake (04k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire | XP: 342 | Sp: fire breath (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:45:06 %??fire drake 14:45:10 @??rime drake 14:45:10 rime drake (02k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold | XP: 373 | Sp: flash freeze (3d13) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:45:27 it having flash freeze, which can't miss, is the real issue 14:45:34 cold breath would be a fine alternative 14:45:46 the entire point of the monster is flash freeze, of course 14:45:56 then perhaps power it down a bit? 14:46:09 i'm just saying, it's basically a superpowered orc priest 14:46:11 lower hd makes it prominent shapeshifter material 14:46:25 err, polymorph 14:46:35 not that hd:6 is hiding much from that anyway 14:46:52 @??rime drake hd:4 14:46:52 rime drake (02k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 4 | HP: 19-26 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold | XP: 143 | Sp: flash freeze (3d11) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:47:12 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:15 seems that hd affects hp much more than spell power 14:48:16 that could be adjusted in some annoying way that keeps it still strong in the hd of blood saints / antaeus but weaker on the hd of rime drakes, of course 14:48:40 *shrug* 14:49:04 my first two encounters with them involved me taking 50 dam in 2 turns once they came into LoS 14:49:19 ... 14:49:23 if that's intended, fine 14:49:26 oh right, the breath timer is based on hd 14:49:29 peh 14:49:30 just seems a bit op to me 14:50:04 bug pf whenever he's around 14:51:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:55:04 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:00:15 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:39 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:05:34 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:16:24 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:27:31 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:59 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:32:46 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:34:41 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 15:35:52 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:37:41 -!- 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lair:3/4) 16:08:03 oh? i thought they were strictly lair:5+ 16:08:21 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-pick-data.h;#l248 16:08:36 thanks :) 16:08:55 I'm not sure that I'm okay with 3d13 smite in lair 16:09:17 @?? titan 16:09:17 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 84-128 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2591 | Sp: b.lightning (3d24), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 16:09:19 @?? wind drake 16:09:19 wind drake (00k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 8 | HP: 50-69 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 12 | fly | Res: 06magic(40), 12wind | XP: 287 | Sp: wind blast [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], airstrike (0-26) [11!AM, 06!sil], deflect missiles [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 16:09:40 Lasty: don't forget that they're fast too! 16:09:43 good thing it's not that then i guess 16:09:53 strictly speaking it's not "smite" since it needs lof 16:10:02 MarvinPA: it's true that it doesn't ignore AC 16:10:05 regret-index: ah, good 16:10:20 i was thinking what regret-index said, and that too yes 16:10:35 because the damage is about titan airstrike damage, but at speed 14 instead of 10 16:10:37 checks ac, partial rC, needs lof, ignores ev, fast monster with low health 16:11:07 I wonder for how many versions now %monster hasn't bothered figuring out a better airstrike display 16:11:07 not saying it shouldn't necessarily be toned down in some way but it seems better to be clear on how it actually works currently 16:11:28 MarvinPA: definitely good to be clear on how it works -- I didn't know much about it 16:11:35 MarvinPA: that's fair, i was exaggerating a bit earlier when i said they were super-powered orc priests 16:11:40 it _is_ a mechanic from cocytus/pan 16:11:54 (which is the point of bringing it to lair) 16:13:08 regret-index: I'm not against a powerful cold attack w/ a slowing mechanic being in Lair, but I do think that if it ignores EV, it needs to do less damage 16:13:19 did fire drakes get removed? 16:13:25 IIRC yes 16:13:37 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:13:39 rime drakes directly replaced fire drakes for lair placement purposes 16:13:42 i see 16:14:04 that makes more sense 16:15:04 ...also, I thought in my original proposal flash freeze wasn't cast on anybody still frozen, oh well 16:15:47 (maybe that's broken, since there's still checks for that in beam.cc) 16:16:52 feel freeze to figure out some non-linear formula in http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc;#l935 or hand out some buffs to the extended monsters with it (...well, blood saints _do_ need a redesign) 16:17:13 that pun was not intentional 16:17:31 . . . is regret-index PF? 16:17:46 not in the _slightest_. 16:17:48 it definitely looks like it doesn't get cast against already-frozen targets 16:18:03 !source _ms_waste_of_time 16:18:03 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc#l98 16:19:31 not sure how likely that is to have an effect since they have a breath timeout too 16:20:23 clearly important for the terrifying chance of meeting two of them 16:23:21 03Lasty02 07[ukayaw] * 0.18-a0-1290-g2eeb5c5: Do piety adjustment before checking for triggers. 10(11 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2eeb5c595bcc 16:23:48 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1516-ged3b537: Do piety adjustment before checking for triggers. 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed3b537b8ee6 16:26:41 before I push this, I wonder: should tgw_xom even have random coloured floor in console 16:28:04 -!- twzt_ is now known as twzt 16:28:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:36 -!- Tiltorax has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:33:43 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:04 -!- lnt has quit [*.net *.split] 16:44:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [*.net *.split] 16:44:04 -!- Grivan has quit [*.net *.split] 16:44:04 -!- 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Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 17:41:38 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:53 !learn add regretindex http://sprunge.us/TiJh 17:42:10 ...oh, the netsplits took sequell. 17:42:32 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:57 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 17:42:58 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:43 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:28 -!- hypermatt is now known as Guest44337 17:45:27 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:03 !learn add regretindex http://sprunge.us/TiJh 17:46:03 -!- buki has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:46:03 regretindex[1/1]: http://sprunge.us/TiJh 17:46:09 -!- regret-index has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:47:18 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 274 seconds] 17:48:18 -!- Guest44337 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:51:30 -!- Warrigal is now known as tswett 17:51:31 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:51:41 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:56:28 -!- neckro23 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:29 -!- FireSight has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:56:32 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [K-Lined] 17:56:35 -!- nnnnnnnnnnn has quit [Client Quit] 17:57:43 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58:31 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:00:33 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:02:19 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:29 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:01 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1433-g1d8109a (34) 18:04:30 -!- hypermat1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:00 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 366 seconds] 18:05:43 !tell pleasingfungus when transferrence fails / has no target, there's no message 18:05:51 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 18:06:01 -!- chequers has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:07:30 -!- Eronarn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:14 -!- Culka has quit [*.net *.split] 18:09:14 -!- TZer0 has quit [*.net *.split] 18:09:14 -!- Eksell has quit [*.net *.split] 18:09:14 -!- G-Flex has quit [*.net *.split] 18:09:15 -!- Grunt has quit [*.net *.split] 18:09:15 -!- greensnark has quit [*.net *.split] 18:09:15 -!- Cenon has quit [*.net *.split] 18:11:12 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:12 Cheers 18:11:12 -!- Blazinghbnd_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:52 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:12:58 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:39 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:14:22 03amalloy02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1517-g1c1d7b2: Remove duplication in deathswap messaging 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c1d7b226bc8 18:14:22 03amalloy02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1518-g4497bc5: Simplify deathswap arithmetic 10(35 seconds ago, 1 file, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4497bc5af5e9 18:14:58 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:14:58 -!- oxeimon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:15:05 !seen PleasingFungus 18:15:05 I last saw PleasingFungus at Sat Feb 27 08:33:36 2016 UTC (14h 41m 28s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]'. 18:16:12 ??Helper god 18:16:12 I don't have a page labeled Helper_god in my learndb. 18:16:26 ??combo god 18:16:27 combo god ~ combogod ~ ukayaw[1/2]: Experimental branch god of ecstatic dance. Piety raises very quickly as you deal damage and drops very quickly over time. *: Stomp for AOE damage. **: Teleport through a line of creatures, confusing them. ***: on reaching this piety level, briefly paralyze all enemies in LOS. ****: On reaching this piety level, monsters share damage. *****: Telefrag any monster ... 18:20:43 -!- murphy_slaw has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:21:12 !tell pleasingfungus at 20 invo and XL 22, an exploding ancestor can kill a fire giant from full health. Just as a datapoint. 18:21:12 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 18:21:26 -!- Wah has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:21:35 Lasty: abusing ancestors as well? 18:23:04 dpeg: yessir! 18:23:08 I'm trying the hexer 18:23:13 which, honestly, seems pretty weak 18:23:22 but they explode nice 18:23:43 -!- Blazinghbnd_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 18:25:01 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 18:25:40 I always took the battle mage 18:25:51 !lg dpeg god=he 18:25:52 No games for dpeg (god=he). 18:26:08 !lg dpeg god=h 18:26:08 No games for dpeg (god=h). 18:27:14 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:41 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:59 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 18:29:03 !lg dpeg hep 18:29:04 3. dpeg the Cleaver (L12 DsGl of Hepliaklqana), slain by a red draconian (a +0 scimitar of flaming) in Volcano (kennysheep_volcano_temple) on 2016-02-27 23:03:46, with 19886 points after 17192 turns and 0:41:49. 18:29:09 -!- } has quit [] 18:29:46 i've found the dispersal death pretty hard to make use of 18:30:30 like it's decent when Running Dog actually dies, but when i jtransfer him it just results in monsters being all over the place 18:31:02 * dpeg hasn't even used Romanticise or Transference yet. 18:31:11 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:00 But it's a great concept, will definitely work out in the end. The Nethack pet, finally done right! 18:32:07 -!- greensnark has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:21 Even greensnark appeas to salute the new god! 18:33:52 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:34:04 romanticise is pretty good imo 18:34:39 in the early/mid game, my ancestor was doing more damage than i was and substantially more safely, so letting him die seems like a terrible decision 18:34:52 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:27 -!- nomicflux has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:37:45 -!- Guest5869 is now known as debo 18:38:57 -!- chequers has joined ##crawl-dev 18:38:57 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 18:43:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1434-g728087f: Fix flash freeze's AUTOMATIC_HIT 10(59 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/728087f134b8 18:44:04 -!- PleasingFungus is now known as FrightenedFungus 18:45:40 FrightenedFungus: afraid of the dark? 18:45:51 frightened of the 1 million messages waiting for me :( 18:45:57 rip 18:46:00 hm, name's too long 18:46:04 -!- FrightenedFungus is now known as TinyFungus 18:46:14 perhaps they're all accolades 18:46:31 they're all more work for me, that's what they are 18:46:37 i'm going galt. 18:50:21 TinyFungus: Helpikelpi god is cool. 18:50:32 :) 18:50:34 but there's so much to do... 18:50:53 It'll kick assess! 18:50:57 asses even 18:51:12 -!- Alex______ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:51:24 let me mope and gripe! 18:51:26 some people are no fun... 18:52:07 well, i wrote some actual commits in addition to my endless messages 18:52:20 does flashfreeze work on polearm attacks? 18:53:49 ??? 18:54:08 TinyFungus: but most people are sensible. Also: CDO blog post worked well, imo. Thanks for kicking it off! 18:54:08 amalloy: I saw you fixed the & 18:54:09 :) 18:54:18 i found several more while i was in there 18:54:25 very surprised at the extent of the positivity in the comments 18:54:35 that's becaue you hang out on SA 18:54:36 took much longer than I expected for complaints to start 18:54:40 uh 18:54:43 have you read the comments for 18:54:48 literally any other post on the blog 18:55:03 i'm not going to let reality interfere with teasing SA 18:55:20 :P 18:56:07 TinyFungus: i keep seeing "thin mist" near my ancestor. i'm not sure if it's from ab or from ac, but it's an unexpected cloud type 18:56:14 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:57:20 amalloy: transference 18:57:27 travelling through the realm of memory 18:57:34 same thing happens on respawn 18:58:29 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:59:28 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:00:21 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:59 i feel like i'm not using transference or romanticise *that* much, but i'm down to ****.. 19:01:30 i guess it seems like the piety cost for transference is too high. i'm mostly using it to move my ancestor, rather than to get his deathswap effect 19:01:50 the dispersal is like a downside rather than an upside, because i can't predict where anyone will end up 19:01:53 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:53 -!- Eksell has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:53 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:53 -!- Grunt has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:02 the whole deathswap mess is top on my 'rethink' list 19:02:44 that being said, having piety issues on a god whose only use for piety is spending it on abilities seems good to me 19:03:00 like, if piety is a meaningful resource rather than ending out perpetually capped 19:03:01 if that makes sense 19:03:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 19:04:21 sure 19:05:39 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:05:53 -!- MarvinPA_ is now known as MarvinPA 19:07:59 i guess if it were up to me romanticise would be more expensive because it's more useful 19:08:08 whereas transference i'm using because it's convenient 19:09:16 plausible 19:09:18 they were originally the other way around 19:09:43 when my piety got low from using romanticise, i was thinking "heck yes, totally worth it, i don't need to get ****** anytime soon anyway" 19:09:50 when it gets low from transference i just grumble 19:10:09 haha 19:10:31 -!- DALuke has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:10:39 -!- MarvinPA has left ##crawl-dev 19:17:14 -!- neongrey has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:18:56 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1435-gee79d65: Scale flash freeze accuracy harder 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ee79d6599c9c 19:23:37 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:02 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:28:01 -!- TinyFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 19:29:57 !tell pleasingfungus FWIW, it looks like 25 Invo XL 26 ancestor explosion does somewhere in the ballpark of 50% damage to an OOF 19:29:57 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:30:03 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:34:12 wow, 25 invo. you're committed 19:34:20 i stopped around 12 or 13 19:35:21 amalloy: I figure I should try to lean into it 19:35:45 3 19:35:57 I wanna see where this thing tops out 19:36:05 plus for a long time, exploding as all my ancestor did 19:36:06 well, i wasn't offered explosive death :P 19:36:23 man, really? i got my invo because romanticise is OP 19:36:27 so my ancestor doesn't die much 19:36:34 well, I'm using the hexer 19:36:38 oh sure 19:36:45 i took knight 19:36:45 There's more than 3 death types? 19:36:50 yes, 4 or 5 19:36:53 oh, huh 19:36:58 the other two I was offered sounded awful 19:37:03 implosion/disperse 19:37:07 i took disperse 19:37:11 over implosion/slow 19:37:25 fog is also available 19:37:51 fog is decent 19:37:54 disperse seems like it would be decent at high invo, to tele them away 19:37:55 slow isn't bad either 19:38:23 yes, it was second choice 19:39:49 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:40:03 explode seems like pretty much the best 19:42:00 !tell PleasingFungus The hexer ally was terrible -- basically didn't do anything but stand between me and enemies until it got mass confuse and a quickblade of draining. At that point it did serious damage. Explosive death + transferrence was both fun and powerful. I never used (or wanted to use) Romanticize -- my ancestor was mostly more useful dead. 19:42:00 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:42:36 !tell PleasingFungus In the early game ancestor respawning felt really cheesy -- just wait for another thing after each battle. In the late game when I had decent invo and explosive death, it actually felt like a resource that was interesting to manage. 19:42:37 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:42:44 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43:28 !tell pleasingfungus Overall I had a good time with the game. It was largely pretty easy, mostly because +11 short bows are nuts, but I had fun using my portable bomb. I also enjoyed the Hep flavor in the ability and god text. 19:43:28 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:43:58 !tell pleasingfungus I think the god has positive potential, though balance is going to be really tough. 19:43:59 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:44:06 -!- nomicflux has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:45:03 !tell pleasingfungus In general I think gods tend to have exciting moments -- they raise your power massively when you use big powers -- but this god feels like a much flatter excitement/power curve. You're a little stronger in more or less the same way all the time. Once you get ancestor death effects, the god gets way more interesting. 19:45:03 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:47:17 -!- pwnmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:48:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:51:38 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 19:52:28 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:30 -!- pwnmonkey has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:30 -!- Alex______ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:54:57 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:58:19 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:58:36 -!- Lazy__ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:29 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:43 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 20:00:55 -!- masterinire is now known as inre 20:01:03 -!- inre is now known as inire 20:05:39 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:08:25 is that true? i can think of plenty of gods who mostly make you stronger in the same way the whole time 20:08:42 Experimental (combo_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1518-g4497bc5 20:10:05 ash, chei, pakellas, sif, vehumet 20:10:08 arguably beogh 20:12:44 -!- neongrey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:41 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 20:18:31 !tell pleasingfungus i had kinda the opposite experience of lasty: my knight was very useful early game, and i used romanticise a lot to keep him alive. getting the dispersal deathswap effect (which didn't happen till V:1!) didn't really help at all 20:18:32 amalloy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 20:18:37 amalloy: Chei has a bunch of big moment powers, but he also radically changes how you play. About the other 4 I agree, and I don't like them that much. 20:20:33 i use chei's invocations a lot, but i don't really think of aa or ab as "big moments". acacac is pretty big, i'll grant, and ofc ad is too 20:21:16 yeah 20:22:49 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:23:43 !tell gammafunk gotta hurry up or i'll accidentally beat you to 50 wins 20:23:44 amalloy: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 20:28:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:29:12 -!- halv|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 20:33:44 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:33 -!- neizenel has joined ##crawl-dev 20:36:22 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:36:47 !tell pleasingfungus oh hey, re: my datapoints earlier, I was wearing an amulet of harm, so if the player is the explosion source, it was doing 25% more damage. 20:36:47 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 20:40:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:50:43 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:54:02 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 20:59:32 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:00:16 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:00:18 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:02:45 03amalloy02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1519-gcc1dfe1: Mark Ancestor Identity as Instant, since it is 10(8 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc1dfe123794 21:03:09 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:03:33 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:52 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:10:32 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:12:27 -!- lnt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:13:23 -!- West1C_ is now known as West1C 21:18:34 -!- neizenel is now known as nikheizen 21:19:21 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:34:03 -!- lnt__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:35:58 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 21:36:57 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:39:52 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:40:04 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 21:42:01 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:43:23 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:44:08 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:32 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:46:57 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:46:57 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:54:49 -!- Lazy__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:56:39 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:56:43 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 312 seconds] 22:00:17 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:04:38 -!- Shard1697_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:06:06 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 421 seconds] 22:09:30 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:12:30 pleasingfungus: we never talked about that, but it's cool. You could pick a ghost file of the same species and use that name 22:12:30 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:12:44 not sure how to infer gender though -- seems hard 22:12:45 !messages 22:12:46 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (19h 14m 46s ago): for another fun ancestor project, do that thing we might've talked about where ancestors sometimes have their names drawn from past characters'. also dynamically infer probable gender 22:13:20 ??badcrd[gender 22:13:20 I don't have a page labeled badcrd[gender in my learndb. 22:13:25 ??badcrd 22:13:25 I don't have a page labeled badcrd in my learndb. 22:13:43 rip 22:14:32 ?/gender 22:14:33 Matching terms (1): gender; entries (3): gammafunk[7] | gflex[3] | lugonu[3] 22:15:40 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:21:10 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:24:19 -!- jefus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:25:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:51 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:53 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:39:10 "dynamically infer probable gender" I can't wait to break that :p 22:40:40 heh 22:40:55 Sounds like a good way to make insulting mistakes 22:41:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:43:04 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:43:07 !messages 22:43:08 No messages for minmay. 22:43:20 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 22:45:27 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:45:59 minmay: do you have a copy of badcrd 22:46:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:51:07 -!- TinyFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:29 chequers: yeah "dynamically infer an appropriate gender" was my realization that the idea (someone else's suggestion) was maybe not viable 22:51:34 also aa 22:51:34 oh good I'm still tinyfungus. 22:51:56 * Grunt evolves TinyFungus! 22:52:01 wheals: I have a copy 22:52:17 -!- TinyFungus is now known as TiniestFungus 22:52:35 wheals: imo badirc is much better though 22:53:35 * geekosaur will note that, out of a large number of purported gender guessers, maybe 3 have correctly pegged him; generally they split 2/3 thinking female and 1/3 being unable to decide. 'tis fun breaking their little brains.... 22:53:59 obviously, all hiscore monsters are gender-neuter 22:54:01 hiscore ancestors* 22:54:50 so what was the one about guessing the player's gender again 22:55:25 baddevwiki,[1, actually 22:55:27 How do you distinguish male from female Crawl players ? By name ! Assume names ending with “a” are female. Since it would only have effect on speech, no harm done ? 22:55:36 " ?" 22:55:38 ah 22:55:48 good memory for it existing at all, tho! 22:57:07 badcrd[1, on the other hand, is just this: "David Floog" 22:57:12 which does make me laugh. 22:58:34 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 23:00:18 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:05:44 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 23:06:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:07:05 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 23:09:13 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:12:51 -!- dustinm` has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:15:14 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 23:17:43 -!- dustinm` has quit [Excess Flood] 23:18:29 -!- giann1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18:55 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:17 -!- oberstein has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:19:49 -!- nomicflux has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:21:09 -!- Nimuir has quit [Ping timeout: 413 seconds] 23:21:58 -!- giann1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:56 -!- oberstein has joined ##crawl-dev 23:25:07 TiniestFungus: did you get my messages? 23:25:20 I am buried in messages 23:25:26 so popular 23:25:28 !tell TiniestFungus No messages for TiniestFungus. 23:25:28 Grunt: OK, I'll let tiniestfungus know. 23:25:29 my curse 23:25:29 TiniestFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:25:32 haha 23:25:50 !tell Lasty No messages for Lasty. 23:25:50 Grunt: OK, I'll let lasty know. 23:25:58 !tell Grunt Sorry Grunt, that man is dead. 23:25:58 Grunt: OK, I'll let grunt know. 23:25:59 -!- Elsi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:26:47 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:27:58 !tell Grunt $(!always $(!always $(!always blame $(blame2 grunt)))) 23:27:59 Maximum message length is 340 characters, but you had 1442. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 23:28:09 !tell Grunt $(!always $(!always blame $(blame2 grunt))) 23:28:09 Maximum message length is 340 characters, but you had 407. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 23:28:12 rip 23:28:40 "brevity" 23:29:07 !always $(!always blame $(blame2 grunt))) 23:29:08 AAAB$GAB$GAB$G! A-Always! A-AB$G!! A-A-Always!! B-B-Blame!! $-$-$(blame2!! G-G-Grunt)!! A-Always! B-Blame! $-$(blame2! G-Grunt)!! A-ALWAYS! B-BLAME! $-$(BLAME2! G-GRUNT)!)! Always AB$G! A-Always! B-Blame! $-$(blame2! G-Grunt)! Always Blame $(blame2 Grunt)! ALWAYS BLAME $(BLAME2 GRUNT)!)! ALWAYS AB$G! A-ALWAYS! B-BLAME! $-$(BLAME2! G-GRUNT)! ALWAYS BLAME $(BLAME2 GRUNT)! ALWAYS BLAME $(BLAME2 GRUNT... 23:29:11 aaagh 23:29:15 !always $(!always blame $(!blame2 grunt))) 23:29:16 AAABGABGABG! A-Always! A-ABG!! A-A-Always!! B-B-Blame!! G-G-Gggrrruuunnnttt!! A-Always! B-Blame! G-Gggrrruuunnnttt!! A-ALWAYS! B-BLAME! G-GGGRRRUUUNNNTTT!)! Always ABG! A-Always! B-Blame! G-Gggrrruuunnnttt! Always Blame Gggrrruuunnnttt! ALWAYS BLAME GGGRRRUUUNNNTTT!)! ALWAYS ABG! A-ALWAYS! B-BLAME! G-GGGRRRUUUNNNTTT! ALWAYS BLAME GGGRRRUUUNNNTTT! ALWAYS BLAME GGGRRRUUUNNNTTT!)! 23:29:40 !blame2 wheals 23:29:40 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 23:29:46 !recur !blame2 3 wheals 23:29:46 wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllsssssssssssssssssssssssssss 23:29:49 !recur !blame2 5 wheals 23:29:50 wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... 23:29:50 agreed 23:30:57 $-$-$ 23:31:22 a three-eyed alien thinking about lucrative investment opportunities 23:31:56 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:33:08 -!- Elsi has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:10 -!- giann1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:34 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:37:22 -!- crate__ is now known as crate 23:37:42 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:38:55 -!- giann1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:04 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:43:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:44:42 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:20 -!- Tiktalik has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:49:06 -!- giann1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:22 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:52:05 -!- themonkeybob11 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:53:44 -!- Kalma has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:55:55 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:56:07 -!- Tiktalik has quit [Changing host] 23:57:16 -!- Tiktalik has quit [Excess Flood] 23:58:07 -!- giann1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:12 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:58:51 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds]