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00:32:16 nvm 00:32:18 found them 00:32:19 anything else? 00:32:26 I think that's it 00:33:07 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1420-g141d243: Changelog fixes (GRUNT) 10(9 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/141d24370fce 00:33:13 PleasingFungus: re: buff blog post, allow me to suggest my long-held secret idea for haste: make it a 1 tile radius aura so that it also hastes anyone adjacent to you, and make it double all incoming projectile damage (because it's passing through the aura and getting twice as fast!) 00:33:24 -!- Guest40285 is now known as Wensley 00:33:30 hi wensley 00:33:57 PleasingFungus: always here to make players lives more miserable 00:34:37 does that mean that rmsl is like a dune holtzman shield 00:34:48 it must be 00:34:51 ! 00:34:55 new spell: slow blade 00:34:56 in that case 00:34:57 where's my lasgun 00:35:07 inacc...? 00:35:21 do I get to blow up the dungeon if I inacc something with rmsl? 00:35:22 <.< 00:35:31 we can only hope. 00:35:35 if you can actually hit, anyway 00:35:40 Around you, the dungeon ends. 00:36:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:38:45 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:40:00 -!- giann1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:41:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:15 hm 00:46:33 i would like chesspieces for CK start pls 00:46:40 since it's a fun item and a crap start 00:46:48 nah 00:47:04 it's a great start. you start with a god! 00:47:06 what more could you want? 00:47:53 :) 00:48:54 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 00:50:15 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: should swamp_icy get rime drakes? 00:50:30 I remember I looked at it 00:50:36 !vault swamp_icy 00:50:37 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/swamp.des#l2032 00:50:39 <|amethyst> maybe instead of swamp drake simulacra? 00:50:45 mm, good vault comment 00:50:56 <|amethyst> s/instead of/instead of some/ 00:50:58 <|amethyst> @??rime drake 00:50:58 rime drake (02k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold | XP: 373 | Sp: flash freeze (3d13) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 00:50:59 rime drake's probably a bit nastier than a simulac 00:51:06 @??swamp drake simulacrum 00:51:06 swamp drake simulacrum (12Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 4 | HP: 9-14 | AC/EV: 1/6 | Dam: 1112(cold:4-11) | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(5), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 7 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 00:51:11 <|amethyst> and would probably die 00:51:17 <|amethyst> since it's not rC+++ 00:51:22 also true 00:51:28 @??ice dragon 00:51:28 ice dragon (00D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-106 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 17, 1709(claw), 1707(trample) | cold-blooded, fly | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 988 | Sp: cold breath (3d24) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:51:35 <|amethyst> @??freezing wraith 00:51:35 freezing wraith (12W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 36-52 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 1612(cold:8-23), 1513(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 354 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:51:59 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:52:15 <|amethyst> flash freeze <-> AF_DRAIN_SPEED 00:52:26 i posted to c-r-d, did it come through? 00:52:47 <|amethyst> chequers: haven't seen anything yet 00:52:50 <|amethyst> ??crd 00:52:50 c-r-d[1/2]: https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/crawl-ref-discuss 00:52:52 <|amethyst> ??crd[2] 00:52:52 c-r-d[2/2]: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.games.roguelike.crawl.devel 00:52:54 <|amethyst> hm 00:53:02 Crawl-ref-discuss@lists.sourceforge.net ? 00:53:10 <|amethyst> I don't remember who is a crd admin other then dpeg 00:53:18 lol does it mirror to a newsgroup? 00:53:24 <|amethyst> yeah, did you send from a different email list than before 00:53:46 probably not, assuming I've emailed before 00:53:52 <|amethyst> well, that's under "gmane" 00:53:57 freezing wraith is quite a lot tougher than a drake, ofc 00:53:58 <|amethyst> not rec.games.blah 00:54:04 funny that the xp is the same 00:54:12 fire drake (04k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire | XP: 342 | Sp: fire breath (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 00:54:12 %??fire drake 00:54:19 <|amethyst> so it's probably not a *real* newsgroup, except that Usenet is distributed so it might be 00:54:46 :) 00:54:57 <|amethyst> s/might/might as well/ 00:55:15 anyway, I'm just volunteering to do all* the work for a steam and iOS release, and also asking if any contributor would veto an ios release 00:55:33 didn't we just get an ios release 00:55:42 you should see if you can contact bh about the old steam release 00:55:48 and figure out what state that was left in 00:57:17 <|amethyst> if by iOS release you mean App Store, not going to happen 00:57:41 rogue is on the app store! 00:57:43 |amethyst: as in you'd veto it, or something else? 00:57:49 can we be beaten by rogue? 00:57:53 <|amethyst> I would veto the devteam doing it 00:58:06 <|amethyst> I mean, I'm not going to go GPL enforcement if someone else does 00:58:13 <|amethyst> s/not/not necessarily/ 00:58:32 well, I don't want to put effort in in that case 00:58:45 I guess my mail is irrelevant, and can be replaced with: 00:58:54 <|amethyst> I think steam is fine 00:58:56 bh: can I take over the greenlight process from you? 00:59:08 <|amethyst> using the steam library is problematic 01:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:18 <|amethyst> Now, if you want to go through the trouble of getting all the contributors who still have code in the game to agree to a limited license exemption 01:00:39 for steam? 01:00:39 <|amethyst> I could probably be persuaded to agree to a limited enough exception 01:00:44 or are we back on gpl 01:00:46 <|amethyst> or app store 01:00:47 for steam cheevos 01:00:49 oh 01:01:03 <|amethyst> the problem is, I think that's practically impossible 01:01:21 <|amethyst> then again, donblas is making a lot of progress with tiles licensing, so maybe it's not 01:01:25 what if I got the approval of every active / easily contactable dev? 01:01:30 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:01:41 <|amethyst> we can't change the license of code that other people contributed 01:02:03 <|amethyst> no one signs over their copyright 01:02:16 of course 01:03:11 there are several GPL roguelikes on the app store with unclear contributor agreement though 01:03:16 eg, nethack 01:03:25 If Nethack Jumped Off A Bridge, Would You 01:03:41 <|amethyst> I don't know the details of the nethack GPL, but it's not exactly the same license 01:03:53 <|amethyst> but 01:03:53 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:03:59 <|amethyst> my objection isn't really to someone putting crawl on app store 01:04:04 <|amethyst> it is to the dev team doing that 01:04:14 perplexing 01:04:14 <|amethyst> because I don't want to be party to violating someone's copyright 01:04:21 here's a q: 01:04:23 is chequers a dev? 01:04:26 like if PleasingFungus did it, on their "own time" 01:04:41 as opposed to "dev time" 01:04:41 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:04:48 <|amethyst> sure, as long as it is clearly labelled unofficial I wouldn't mind 01:04:59 <|amethyst> I mean 01:05:01 ok, that makes a lot more sense 01:05:24 <|amethyst> unless it is being distributed in a way that I feel significantly violates mine 01:05:42 <|amethyst> if someone did that and didn't release the source of their version 01:05:51 look. maybe i'm being too hypothetical 01:06:03 <|amethyst> but this version that I have seen does have full source on github 01:06:04 if I did all the work to merge the ios fork into mainline, would you accept it? and would you hold it against me? 01:06:09 -!- shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:06:18 <|amethyst> well 01:06:19 *and release on ios 01:06:33 <|amethyst> no problem with that 01:06:46 <|amethyst> I don't have a problem with having an iOS port in trunk 01:06:52 <|amethyst> or with distributing an iOS version 01:07:00 *and release on the app store 01:07:11 the slippery slope... 01:07:38 title: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup desc: *THIS IS AN UNOFFICIAL RELEASE* seems like 'unofficial' should be in the title. sort of long, ofc 01:08:16 title: Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup (Unofficial) desc: *THIS IS AN UNOFFICIAL RELEASE* either way, I wouldn't object to such a release, but of course I am not the only contributor 01:11:08 yep, of course 01:11:21 thanks for the info. hopefully that message gets through eventually 01:11:29 "i don't want to be a party to violating someone's copyright" "wah" 01:11:43 "i don't want to be liable for infringement" 01:12:15 <|amethyst> well, I should be more specific 01:12:24 <|amethyst> for violating the GPL 01:12:34 yeah, I don't think that's quite what neil was saying... 01:12:43 sounded like an Open Source ethics thing to me 01:12:46 heh 01:12:50 <|amethyst> I'm sure I've contributorily infringed by listening to unlicensed stuff on Youtube plenty of times 01:12:54 Open Source Ethics* 01:16:20 i think it's important to respect people's wishes 01:16:35 the tiles release was a good model, I think 01:16:54 whoever did that managed to get an OK from everyone they needed, more or less, in about three weeks 01:17:02 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 01:17:21 <|amethyst> that one has the advantage that it doesn't have to be all or nothing 01:17:29 <|amethyst> whereas ripping out code is hard 01:18:15 yeah 01:18:30 if I couldn't get a response from eg you or marvinpa or a past major contributor that would be a problem 01:18:35 <|amethyst> also, there's the question of what glibc it's linked against 01:19:00 but for someone who has contributed as much as myself, I would be happy to work on the assumption of easier to ask for forgiveness than permission etc 01:19:05 <|amethyst> s/glibc/libc/ etc 01:19:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1420-g141d243 (34) 01:20:04 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:21:31 i'm with |amethyst on that, chequers. you can't ask for forgiveness instead of permission on copyright issues. it is a nightmare waiting to happen, as well as rather insulting imo: you contributed to the repo, under particular license/copyright terms, but we decided your contribution wasn't important enough to actually get your permission before doing something with your intellectual property 01:21:36 -!- Harudoku` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:21:46 <|amethyst> but since you'd have to build that with Apple's toolchain anyway, I'm sure the libc and libc++ would be non-GPL 01:22:34 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:23:10 ......there's an ad from liberty university for a B.S. in IT--Gaming Design on TVTropes? 01:23:31 that's like, the last place i would look for a degree. especially one that purported to be a B.S. 01:23:49 it's not *a* BS, it's just BS 01:24:53 ah 01:24:58 that makes more sense 01:25:11 <|amethyst> when you say that is the last place 01:25:19 <|amethyst> do you mean TVTropes or Liberty University? 01:25:26 liberty u 01:25:29 <|amethyst> heh 01:25:38 who is https://github.com/robx in crawl's author list? 01:26:00 you could probably craft yourself a pretty decent humanities degree solely off of info gained from TVTropes =p 01:27:13 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:27:49 <|amethyst> chequers: rvollmert/by 01:28:18 <|amethyst> Robert Vollmert in credits (under retired devs) 01:28:58 thanks 01:33:07 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:40:08 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:42:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:43:06 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:44:53 -!- Goon_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:49:04 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 01:51:42 -!- oxeimon has quit [Client Quit] 01:54:32 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1420-g141d243 01:57:56 -!- CcS__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:58:12 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:00:12 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:05 -!- johnny0 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:01:52 okfound just under 100 emails based on the github contributor graph 02:02:52 compared to 280 author emails in the git log 02:04:58 ~250 valid addresses 02:07:08 that should take no time 02:15:53 -!- virtuosoj has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:16:10 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:16:27 if you wanna see a 31 game streak end 02:16:29 !watch zxc 02:16:30 No current CAO game for zxc. 02:16:40 it's & 02:16:43 !watch zzxc 02:16:44 No current CAO game for zzxc. 02:16:47 &watch zzxc 02:16:48 ugh 02:16:48 https://crawl.project357.org/watch/zzxc 02:20:10 this doesn't look so bad 02:20:19 i think you're selling him short 02:20:22 yeah he seems not dead 02:20:30 bat saved me 02:20:40 gnoll spawned with ring mail flail throwing net and might pot 02:20:46 -!- oxeimon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:20:47 haha 02:20:49 oh wow 02:21:03 the other day very first thing i saw was a gnoll and a jackal pack 02:21:10 gnoll trapped me in a net 02:21:12 and i somehow lived 02:21:18 because vpsk is apparently OP 02:21:42 net + might pot + flail + ring mail 02:22:04 that gnoll had a better start than you did :v 02:22:33 it obviously took the gnfi start 02:22:47 GnFiGl 02:22:52 ah right 02:22:52 the legendary multiclass 02:23:04 -!- Naruni has quit [] 02:23:06 traded the shield for the net 02:25:05 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:26:22 how soon would gnoll forget an unstealthy player? 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Might even be overpowered, very good for positioning. 06:37:52 Xenobreeder: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:43:34 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 06:44:37 -!- AnFair has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:45:32 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:45:58 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:54:08 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 07:00:10 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:36 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 07:06:07 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:08:29 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13:15 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:15:55 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:17:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:23:35 -!- teukkam has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 07:24:15 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:25:46 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:28:56 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:31:35 -!- teukkam has quit [Client Quit] 07:34:33 -!- Lazy__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:38:10 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:43:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:46:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:49:33 -!- vev has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:57:07 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:07:04 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:52 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:15:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:20 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 08:24:46 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:27:42 -!- the_assboy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:30:00 !tell chequers yes 08:30:00 bh: OK, I'll let chequers know. 08:35:44 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:28 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:39:16 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:39:56 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 08:42:14 -!- sysice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:42:46 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:43:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47:32 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 08:47:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:54:34 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:03 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:08:40 -!- AnFair has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:26:53 -!- knu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:37:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:47 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:40:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:48:23 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:51:26 -!- Piginabag has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:23 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00:11 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:31 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:04:48 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:06:28 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:07:03 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:12:33 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16:52 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:19:21 did chesspeices get axed 10:19:25 o well 10:19:45 !git :^{/chess} 10:19:45 %git :^{/chess} 10:19:45 Could not find commit :^{/chess} (git returned 128) 10:20:04 how do I even work this thing anymore 10:20:21 -!- Torax_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:20:47 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:21:30 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:22:32 %git :/pieces 10:22:32 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1258-g28b5dec: Remove Xom chesspieces 10(3 weeks ago, 28 files, 19+ 92-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/28b5dec2e231 10:23:12 <|amethyst> either 10:23:13 <|amethyst> %git HEAD^{/chess} 10:23:13 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1258-g28b5dec: Remove Xom chesspieces 10(3 weeks ago, 28 files, 19+ 92-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/28b5dec2e231 10:23:17 <|amethyst> or what geekosaur did 10:23:30 <|amethyst> the version with HEAD will only check trunk, the other any reachable commit 10:23:33 wew 10:23:47 <|amethyst> so even if something is in trunk :/blah could get the version from a branch instead 10:23:58 well the issue that mpa pointed out was the one that I mentioned in the initial patch as a possible flaw 10:24:32 I guess balancing them by making xom react more nastily to miss-use wasn't in the cards 10:25:28 <|amethyst> I don't think there would be a problem with submitting a redesigned version, but you can't expect MarvinPA to *add* things can you? :) 10:26:24 <|amethyst> Though MarvinPA pointed out two problems 10:27:19 I would see them as linked 10:27:53 but, since my original goal was a transolcating evocable that wasn't just evoke this spell from Tloc and the main use was mass confusion 10:32:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:32:07 ??gdr 10:32:07 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:32:07 gdr[1/4]: "Guaranteed damage reduction" versus melee attacks, conferred by body armour. Monsters do not have GDR, only players. If you're making equipment decisions based on this, please reconsider. 10:33:47 hm 10:34:04 this code really does not look like it only applies to melee attacks 10:35:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: probably changed with the ranged rewrite 10:35:20 no I mean 10:35:26 it looks like it applies to anything that checks AC 10:35:33 incl beams etc 10:36:01 -!- West1C has quit [] 10:36:15 oh, I see 10:36:23 there's a weird hack to get around it 10:36:26 <|amethyst> aha 10:36:34 // beams don't obey GDR -> max_damage is 0 10:36:36 <|amethyst> I see now in bolt::apply_AC 10:36:37 <|amethyst> yeah 10:38:38 now I'm trying to figure out what actually does check gdr 10:38:57 which is to say, what *doesn't* pass 0 for max_damage 10:38:59 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40:16 attack::calc_damage() (which probably includes ranged attacks) and tree hits from that spriggan druid awaken forest thing, I guess? 10:40:22 <|amethyst> looks like attacks, and the forest whooping you 10:40:23 <|amethyst> yeah 10:40:46 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:40:50 well, that's settled, then. 10:40:58 <|amethyst> and only the calc_damage in attacks 10:41:11 yeah, a lot of stuff in attack/melee_attack that doesn't check gdr 10:41:19 sa thread is having an argument about whether gdr is important. classic stuff. 10:42:14 <|amethyst> IMO it should be easier to tell by looking at a call whether gdr is applied 10:42:24 <|amethyst> apply_ac_gdr 10:42:40 <|amethyst> with the current method becoming a backend to both I guess? 10:42:54 plausible 10:42:54 <|amethyst> anyway, must go 10:42:57 farewell! 10:45:55 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 10:49:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51:03 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:53:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:00:12 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:05:50 are contamination mutations piercing mutation resistance 3 intentional? 11:08:31 probably 11:09:40 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:13:30 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:17:01 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:22:36 It's awkward having mutation resistance 3, having killed jiyva and being an unholy being, to now be forced to scum contamination or xom mutations to change my mutation set 11:22:48 though this situation doesn't exactly happen often 11:23:35 !cmut can't remove mut res? 11:23:40 (3) 11:24:35 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 11:25:00 -!- lnt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:25:49 we've tested it somewhat extensively and cMut and benemut are both wholly ineffective because its 100% resistance. for whatever reason, contam is the only thing that seems to work, and it works pretty often 11:27:47 -!- sooheon has quit [Client Quit] 11:29:34 neat 11:29:36 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 11:30:53 -!- simmarine has joined 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12:12:18 <|amethyst> Piginabag: have you worshipped Zin yet? 12:12:41 <|amethyst> Piginabag: I guess "clear" isn't the same as "change" 12:12:53 <|amethyst> and you'd probably just get rmut3 again 12:14:30 -!- bh_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:44 -!- rax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:50 -!- Chousuke_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:16:52 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:35 ??wild magic card 12:18:51 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:20:34 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:34 -!- molotove has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:34 -!- Twinge has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:34 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:35 -!- the_glow has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:35 -!- Sequell has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:35 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:35 -!- Zannick has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:35 -!- Henzell has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:35 -!- kazimuth has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:35 -!- _fortis has quit [*.net *.split] 12:20:35 -!- twzt 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payed off, and removed rMut 3! 12:48:02 <|amethyst> ¡learn add desperation 12:48:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:49:45 never would I have imagined I'd be spamming irradiate to GET contamination to REMOVE mutations.. 12:50:02 <|amethyst> ??desperation[contam 12:50:03 I don't have a page labeled desperation[contam in my learndb. 12:50:11 <|amethyst> ??desperation[miscast 12:50:12 desperate[21/28]: eith: I found a way to survive I miscast enough to accrue mutations and got teleportitis 12:50:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:51:08 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:51:14 -!- glosham_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:52:22 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:52:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 12:58:03 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 13:00:13 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:00 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:06:21 -!- 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[Changing host] 17:03:56 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:04:43 -!- Basil has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:07:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:11:22 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:12:13 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 17:15:43 <|amethyst> ha 17:16:05 <|amethyst> apparently if you're under Dith and get a more at the right time, you can see your shadow 17:23:20 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:38 wow good, apparently loud noises are supposed to cancel fear in the same way that they cancel mesmerisation 17:26:12 but actually they only cancel fear if you're mesmerised (and don't check whether or not you're afraid!) 17:26:41 (and any loud noise will clear your mesmerisation first anyway so it'll still fail if you're both mesmerised and afraid) 17:27:37 -!- HarryHood has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:28:09 yay for copy/paste i guess 17:29:32 -!- maik_ has quit [] 17:29:45 also siren songs have a special check to not cancel fear or mesmerisation, in case they somehow manage to become loudness > 20 17:32:06 i guess that's possible in a hypothetical branch with -13 ambient noise 17:35:04 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:38:43 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:39:10 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:40:29 bh_: yes 17:40:29 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:40:31 !messages 17:40:32 (1/1) bh said (9h 10m 31s ago): yes 17:41:18 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:42:41 -!- MBlaureNs has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:42:42 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:46:56 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 17:49:39 -!- Lazy__ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:19 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:54:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:59:56 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1421-gcb02040: Remove needles of slowing 10(2 weeks ago, 8 files, 11+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cb0204045466 17:59:56 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1422-gf6f3a78: Remove ranged (blowgun) stabs 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 8+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f6f3a78eb2fd 17:59:56 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1423-gf00e924: Adjust Jiyva's slimify wrath 10(82 minutes ago, 3 files, 19+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f00e924613ee 17:59:56 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1424-g4adbcc3: Replace Hunting Cry with Warning Cry 10(66 minutes ago, 8 files, 27+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4adbcc385f1d 17:59:56 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1425-g646b864: Fix loud noises being unable to break fear 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/646b864b343d 18:00:04 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:13 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:05:23 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Client Quit] 18:08:52 -!- scummos| has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:59 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty] 18:09:54 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:13 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1425-g646b864 (34) 18:11:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:12:35 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:12:52 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:16:51 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping 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quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:14 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:53 woo nice ones MarvinPA 19:09:54 -!- molotove1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:12:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:14:41 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:23:28 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:19 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:39:30 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:40:07 %git 07949ec7b9c0b9583012be218f9b887257a10cd9 19:40:07 07kilobyte02 * 0.14-a0-1563-g07949ec: Replace Ziggurat fees with a 3-rune lock. 10(2 years, 2 months ago, 7 files, 26+ 150-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/07949ec7b9c0 19:40:29 i think that's the culprit for zigs all having the same layout, it removes the call to ziggurat_initialiser when entering a zig portal 19:41:14 -!- fallenxxxsky has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:42:21 http://sprunge.us/YBXY i think this fixes it? not sure if it's better to use a OneWayStair and the onclimb thing like it originally did 19:47:42 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:20 MarvinPA: have you put any more thought into the gozag/gold distraction thing? 19:48:26 I was thinking about having a poke at it but didn't want to step onyou 19:49:08 -!- MBlaureNs has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 19:50:03 a little, i poked at it locally: http://sprunge.us/TEgg 19:50:46 but i didn't put any real thought into the numbers 19:53:14 (or what kind of probability curve to use or anything, that was just a quick first idea) 19:54:15 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:55:36 looking 19:56:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00:13 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:14 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:30 MarvinPA: vaguely feels like you only want to randomize the chance of increasing the prop; the duration should probably always be set 20:05:16 yeah, possibly 20:05:23 -!- wya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:05:44 you may not be aware of this, but more randomness is always better 20:05:52 is this true... 20:06:15 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.18-a0-1575-g854ea96: Merge remote-tracking branch 'origin/master' into webtiles-changes 10(2 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/854ea9673be5 20:06:16 one_chance_in(random2(random2(random2(chance)) 20:06:16 ))) 20:06:16 ) 20:06:26 we probably have something pretty close to that, somewhere 20:06:27 !learn add |amethyst <|amethyst> but also the general Crawl principle of "we'll do some weird hard-to-tweak shit for our probability distribution, then figure out the math later" 20:06:28 |amethyst[24/24]: <|amethyst> but also the general Crawl principle of "we'll do some weird hard-to-tweak shit for our probability distribution, then figure out the math later" 20:10:52 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:46 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:13:38 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping 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21:09:02 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:25:59 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:32 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:43 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:30:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 21:32:52 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:33:43 -!- sk3 is now known as ktgrey 21:39:31 Trunk has a semi-annoying feature Purple items have autopickup always on by default not the usual where it only auto picks them up if you're carrying one 21:39:35 anyone run into that? 21:39:37 or work on that? 21:41:50 that was changed recently 21:42:14 %git :/pick 21:42:14 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1405-g73f4075: Enable default autopickup of dangerous items 10(3 days ago, 2 files, 1+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/73f40750d1f9 21:42:26 ...chei taking it easy? 21:46:20 -!- zwisch__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:48:41 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:05 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:54:50 <|amethyst> To fix, add autopickup_exceptions += dangerous_item 21:55:05 <|amethyst> s/fix/make it work the way it used to/ 21:55:25 <|amethyst> (add to your rc, that is) 21:57:57 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:58:09 does this mean autopickup will hoover up all the ?torment unless i ask it not to? why was taht changed? 22:00:14 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:19 <|amethyst> "Since they tend to be useful more often than not." 22:01:02 <|amethyst> ambrosia was the motivating example 22:01:11 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:01:59 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:02:39 sure i can see the argument for some "dangerous items" like ambrosia. torment seems like it's in a different category 22:03:59 <|amethyst> I wouldn't mind trimming down the "dangerous" list, but people might complain about underpowered items not being marked as such 22:04:21 <|amethyst> could introduce more colours of course :) 22:04:51 <|amethyst> dangerous_item, mildly_annoying_item, suboptimal_item, newbie_trap 22:04:59 crummy_item 22:06:25 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:39 stupid_item >.> 22:07:16 -!- AnFair has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:07:48 <|amethyst> is_"good"_item 22:09:44 <|amethyst> the +1 hand axe of an Ossuary {holy, rF++ rElec Int+3, sky weapon} 22:10:09 stupid remove item 22:10:30 <|amethyst> wand of stupid remove 22:10:41 <|amethyst> since those exist 22:13:27 <|amethyst> amalloy: part of the problem was 22:14:35 <|amethyst> amalloy: you couldn't add an autopickup_exception to turn on autopickup for something you wanted 22:14:43 <|amethyst> so had to do that through \ every game 22:15:02 <|amethyst> that said, you could have removed with with -= 22:15:07 <|amethyst> s/you/one/ 22:20:59 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:21:13 -!- Naruni has quit [] 22:21:16 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:21:34 -!- AnFair has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:23:05 it's kind of weird though 22:23:28 in that the easiest way to have them on autopickup under the old regime was to just pick up one 22:23:31 manually 22:23:48 <|amethyst> yeah, but it was annoying when you used your last one 22:24:57 heh 22:25:11 i can't think of any of those items that i was actually prone to use all of 22:25:49 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:36 <|amethyst> I use mutation and ambrosia on most characters; and on different characters vuln, lignify, immolation, maybe occasionally torment 22:28:25 <|amethyst> but of course I am a terrible player 22:28:29 <|amethyst> see: "mutation" 22:31:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:33:50 <|amethyst> hmm 22:33:57 <|amethyst> "ERROR: string above had unterminated tag" 22:34:15 <|amethyst> that's my fault but still that's weird 22:34:59 -!- xnavy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:36:18 oh, i'll use any of them periodically 22:36:31 but i can rarely think of characters where i would be prone to use all of any one of them 22:37:17 i even deliberately used vuln on some death yaks the other day 22:37:27 for no readily apparent reason 22:38:17 <|amethyst> oh 22:38:24 <|amethyst> wordwrap_line 22:38:43 <|amethyst> assumes it's working on something with colour tags 22:39:24 heh 22:39:30 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:39:31 i use lignify and ambrosia each rarely, enough that they were usually on autopickup if i wanted them (because i didn't use up the last one). the others i never touch 22:39:39 <|amethyst> well, it doesn't assume, it checks 22:41:31 same here amalloy 22:42:28 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:17 <|amethyst> ohh 22:43:30 <|amethyst> one of those two flags arguments is called 'tags' 22:43:31 <|amethyst> doh 22:45:36 <|amethyst> and I copy-pasted code that explicitly passed true for that argument 22:46:36 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 22:47:00 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:50:41 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:55:05 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What does " regains more of its memory" mean? 23:37:28 that's not a message 23:37:40 you're thinking of something like 'ancestor regains more of its skill' or s/t like that? 23:37:44 sure 23:37:47 something like that 23:37:58 +1 hd & associated increases (ac, mr, base damage) 23:38:20 Does the ancestor get strength from XP? Does it have an upper limit? 23:38:32 does it lose the XP when it dies? 23:38:34 its hd = 2/3rds of your xl, basically 23:38:49 a 23:38:50 ah 23:38:53 ((xl -1)*2/3 + 1, for rounding) 23:40:44 so you'll get that message 2/3rds of the time you level up, sometimes along with a more distinctive upgrade (regains a spell or a weapon or w/e) 23:40:56 ah 23:42:35 amalloy: I wouldn't say that; magic dart, sting, freeze, and sandblast with stones all probably will outdo a basic hunting sling 23:42:59 Lightli: how much MP do you have at XL2, and how many stones? 23:43:17 like 5-8 depending on starting combo 23:43:30 with a sling i can just hold down shift-tab and stuff dies before it gets into melee range 23:43:48 with spells i have to manage MP somewhat carefully 23:44:54 my experience with hunting slings has not been nearly that succesful 23:44:57 PleasingFungus: is there any penalty for losing an ancestor? 23:44:58 wrt killing stuff before it enters melee 23:45:14 Lasty1: you don't have an ancestor for the next 30-60 turns 23:45:16 then it pops up again 23:47:50 PleasingFungus: is there an ancestor type that needs particular testing? 23:48:27 hexer's tested least but probably any would be fine 23:48:38 I'll try that out 23:48:48 might be worth testing knight again that it doesn't get enchantment on equipment anymore 23:49:05 probably much less likely to solo down an orb of fire without healing it at least 23:49:22 I guess I would say 'not battlemage' 23:49:24 haha 23:50:19 why not battlemage? 23:50:48 doesn't battlemage need AI changes 23:55:36 I feel like it's been tested the most 23:55:40 Lightli: imo no 23:56:06 weren't people complaining about it's targetting enemies being finicky? 23:57:47 The ancestor doesn't follow you into portals unless you use recall 23:57:49 I fixed the one real problem I saw there 23:57:53 Lasty1: known issue 23:58:03 the code in question is tricky to mess with 23:58:17 will fix it before the god's 'done' though 23:59:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]