00:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:53 <|amethyst> chequers: anyway, PR those (one PR is fine) and I or somebody will get to it tomorrowish 00:03:07 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1405-g73f4075 (34) 00:06:42 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:33 hm 00:07:39 implode seems to be a really poorly considered effect 00:07:41 gonna need to rethink it 00:08:47 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1500-gfdd347d: Fix a warning (chequers) 10(47 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fdd347d04ebb 00:08:47 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1501-g914acef: Rework Transference 10(57 seconds ago, 5 files, 124+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/914acefb5a1c 00:09:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca: Fire Drake -> Rime Drake 10(4 hours ago, 25 files, 78+ 73-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f4880ca1f85d 00:13:20 make sure to give credit to whoever complained about it in here, PF. maybe Lightli? 00:13:56 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:13:59 I mean 00:14:13 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:14 I don't think I actually got complaints about it? not sure 00:14:16 the problem is that it actually hits the ancestor 00:14:34 need to do another brainstorming session re death effects 00:15:29 oh. i was thinking that was the gells-on-death thing 00:15:35 it is 00:15:49 but, like all deathswap effects, it also triggers on swap 00:15:53 which works less well 00:15:57 <|amethyst> heh 00:15:58 sure 00:16:14 on the plus side, the swap effect can combo into the death effect! 00:18:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:19:52 -!- crate has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:23:07 -!- Naruni has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:23:28 Experimental (combo_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1501-g914acef 00:31:45 cool, suicide bomber ancestor 00:38:13 boom 00:38:18 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:38:22 hm, this is kinda making me like it more 00:41:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:41:47 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:43:04 -!- nomicflux has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43:13 -!- fazuni is now known as fazisi 00:46:20 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:46:40 -!- ursan_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:48:16 i regret starting that roguelike argument 00:49:04 dcss devs are monsters the fork guy had to deal with USE_DGAMELAUNCH code 00:49:19 haha 00:49:37 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:38 is there a way to write a Sequell query for like...average number of uniques killed per game that satisfies a query? it's easy enough to do for a specific game with s=gid, but across multiple games i'm not sure 00:59:05 more generally, i suppose, "number of milestones of type x, for games matching a query y" 00:59:53 dont think so 01:00:01 actually 01:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:05 !cmd !lairratio 01:00:05 Command: !lairratio => .echo $(let (x (!lm ${1:-.} $* br.enter=lair ktyp!= x=cdist(gid) fmt:"${x}" stub:"0") y (!lg ${1:-.} $* fmt:"${n}" stub:"0") player (name_fixup $1)) "${player}$(if "${*}" " (${*})" "") has reached Lair in $x of $y attempts: $(int (+ 0.5 (/ (* 100.0 $x) $y)))%") 01:00:31 !cmd !portalsuccess 01:00:31 Command: !portalsuccess => .echo Portal success rate for $(name_fixup $*). $(join ", " (map (fn (x) (!lm ${*:-.} !alive br.enter=$x / lg:place!=$x title:"$x" pfmt:"${.}${%}" )) (list icecv volcano lab bailey sewer ossuary wizlab))) 01:00:34 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:45 maybe something based of portalsuccess? 01:01:41 i think that's going the other direction, isn't it? for each milestone, find something out about its game 01:02:28 i didn't think too hard about the suggestion 01:02:54 sure, and i appreciate the suggestion anyway. it was a reasonable guess, and i *think* it's not useful but i could be wrong 01:03:55 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:07 PleasingFungus: it's weird a knight remmebers a buckler before a weapon 01:06:31 the weapon comes at XL11, the buckler some time before 01:06:47 they start with a sword 01:06:48 unless it's bugged 01:07:00 *sord 01:07:10 hm, my guy had a buckler and no sword, I x-v'ed because it surprised me 01:07:18 maybe something about when you remember them vs when you level up? 01:08:00 so I reached XL10, chose knight, ancestor had no sword, but got one at XL11 01:08:18 worshipped at XL9 01:08:40 ugh 01:08:54 lookig 01:09:12 -!- oxeimon1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:09:13 I regret ever giving these stupid things equipment 01:09:48 :) 01:10:49 here's another thing: knights can slice off hydra heads, which is ~emergent~ but probably annoying 01:11:06 chequers: i wear a buckler and punch dudes all the time! 01:11:09 that's literally the reason I eventually give them flame ego 01:11:13 both in game and irl =p 01:11:20 I might've shifted it a little late, though 01:11:23 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:56 !lm * current br.enter=lair x=avg(xl) 01:11:58 45825 milestones for * (current br.enter=lair): avg(xl)=10.93 01:12:12 maybe they should just always have flame ego? 01:12:13 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca (34) 01:12:24 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:12:48 could swap flame ego and axe, maybe 01:12:54 idk 01:14:35 tbh, if you just hardcoded 'ghostly axes don't slice' i would be perfectly happy 01:15:17 tbh tbh it's not a huge deal either 01:15:29 with my mifi, he only manages to add one or two heads 01:15:38 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:15:42 you could just ignore it 01:15:47 fix it in 1.1 :) 01:17:04 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:17:34 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:18:05 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:18:07 I just had a brief dream in which there was a guard captain unique with sentinel's mark, injury bond, word of recall, and the warden's seal doors ability, plus a unique ability that healed it and anyone else friendly around it 01:18:18 needless to say I splated 01:18:39 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:19:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca (34) 01:20:29 the Captain of the Guard 01:21:51 hm. some kind of monster AI bug is happening to me right now, i think. i'm in the lair:8 end with catoblepae and yaks, casting OTR. and when i activate OTR, the enemies on the other side of the screen start to run away from me instead of towards me 01:22:06 notably, they are on the other side of a checkerboard-patterned set of statues - maybe they think they can't get to me? 01:22:59 i guess it's not checkboard-patterned at all actually, but there are a lot of statues 01:23:26 there's a limited pathing range based on intelligence 01:23:40 them walking away form you suggests that they're failing to path to you, yes 01:27:55 -!- giann has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:30:25 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 01:32:04 okay, also, there's a 13x13 spot on my map revealed as if i'd stood in this one spot i've never actually been to 01:32:16 which i have seen before but i really have no idea how to look into what's causing that 01:33:30 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:36:05 &watch amalloy 01:36:07 ^watch amalloy 01:36:07 No current CBRO game for amalloy. 01:36:11 comborobin cao 01:36:18 &watch comborobin cao 01:36:19 !watch comborobin 01:36:20 Watch comborobin at: http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-comborobin 01:36:44 see that spot on my X map? never been there 01:37:12 but it's revealed as if i'd stood in the exact center of that area 01:37:38 backed up the save to http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/comborobin-crawl-git-26d626b042-160224-0132.tar.bz2 in case anyone wants to take a look 01:38:03 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:17 weird 01:39:35 PleasingFungus: FR: if you leave the level your ancestor on, respawn it eventually as if it died, if you don't return within that amount of time 01:39:59 Why? 01:40:30 oh 01:40:31 lmao 01:40:33 I found the bug 01:40:37 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:41:27 because it's annoying to have to remember 01:42:35 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:44:31 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/a-brief-history-of-buffness big long essay about buffs up here, password 'robin' 01:44:39 what bug, pf? 01:44:49 lol, nvm, that shows up on the front page 01:45:19 ok, http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/?p=3451 should work 01:45:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:45:28 hm, nope 01:45:43 PleasingFungus: what about like...just a secret gist 01:46:10 dpaste - default expiry = 1 week, non public url 01:46:15 https://gist.github.com/PleasingFungus/0cbdb10b8d227efe89d8 this is pretty unreadable 01:47:26 man, you write html by hand? 01:47:28 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1502-gcc91e53: Fix ancestor weapons 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc91e53da5e2 01:47:33 yeah.. dpaste 01:47:33 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:47:49 i learned how to write web pages from a early 90s web-for-kids book 01:47:55 maybe mid-90s 01:48:04 there was a mouse, and cheese. 01:48:30 i remember the "learn html" course at the library I attended as an eight year old 01:49:03 PleasingFungus: transferrance oneliner descriptions "you can now..." are not updated with the new ability function 01:50:49 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1503-ge0208f0: Update deathswap description (chequers) 10(18 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0208f0af461 01:52:29 oh hey, thanks for reminding me ozo's has ponderous 01:52:33 i just found it on my cheidude 01:52:41 clearly we have to get slower 01:52:54 haha 01:53:11 yeah I think I forgot about chei when I was setting up the new spell 01:53:14 the ponderous thing 01:53:19 whoops 01:54:00 well, cheidudes rarely want ozo's anyway 01:54:06 they can cast in CPA 01:54:12 so i think it's fine to ignore them 01:54:12 tru 01:54:15 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:54:16 reassuring 01:54:24 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:54:26 i just happen to be fairly early-game with a sweet robe 01:54:58 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca 01:55:04 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55:45 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3750248&perpage=40&pagenumber=98#post456645127 lmao 01:55:48 my sprites are flawless 01:56:44 @??howler monkey 01:56:44 howler monkey (09h) | Spd: 12 | HD: 3 | HP: 15-23 | AC/EV: 1/11 | Dam: 3, 2 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 72 | Sp: warning cry [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 01:56:58 good. h. i forgot to check if you took my glyph suggestion 01:57:08 I forgot whose it was, sorry :( 01:57:10 clearly it was so natural i didn't even think about it 01:57:34 steal all the ideas you want 01:57:41 most of them i found in a dumpster anyway 01:57:59 the trash can of dcss design...! 02:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:05:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 02:05:26 augh, portal mimics still exist 02:05:34 Experimental (combo_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1503-ge0208f0 02:05:41 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:05:42 i think they're hilarious personally, but i thought they'd been removed along with branch mimics 02:05:57 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:16 -!- shinino_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:08:46 worst part about them: doesn't stimulate xom 02:09:46 misery is its own reward 02:09:54 as far as xom is concerned 02:14:06 pleasingfungus: i feel if invo doesn't scale death effect, a viable way to play H will be to try to get your ally killed a lot, which encourages kiting which you might not like 02:14:55 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:19:15 you'll ahve to !tell him 02:19:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:18 The build has errored. (master - f4880ca #4869 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111396769 02:19:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:19:47 btw i forget who reformed alistair's, but i'm actually using it this game since i have poison magic from VM start anyway. it's maybe not awful 02:20:45 i just used it to drown the fire giant guarding the depths stair 02:22:38 pleasingfungus: I wish romanticise was permanently on for knights once i get to depths, they really needed it to stay alive and the piety cost seemed relatively low so it was almost badcharmlike 02:22:53 !tell pleasingfungus I mentioned you with two bits of feedback not realising you DCed 02:22:54 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 02:25:25 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:29:28 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 02:29:53 -!- Idolo has quit [] 02:32:33 ??romanticise 02:32:33 romanticise ~ Romanticize[1/1]: Hepliaklqana 3* ability. Heal your ancestor, remove debilitating status effects, and provide a short-duration elemental resistance buff. Healing & buff duration scale with Invocations. 02:32:49 !learn mv romanticize Romanticise 02:32:50 romanticize -> Romanticise[1/1]: Hepliaklqana 3* ability. Heal your ancestor, remove debilitating status effects, and provide a short-duration elemental resistance buff. Healing & buff duration scale with Invocations. 02:33:28 chequers: if it applies an instant heal, how would it work always-on? 02:37:41 -!- ursan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:41:30 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:44:26 hm. ozo's doesn't actually slow down cheidudes at all 02:44:29 i still move at 2.0 02:49:42 -!- Hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:53:18 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca 02:59:06 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:59:18 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:46 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:47 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:05:33 -!- molotove1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:18:34 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:20 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca (34) 03:27:08 -!- bgiannan has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.5-dev] 03:32:31 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 03:37:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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11:20:58 -!- lukano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22:30 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:25:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:27:10 -!- roadmap has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:21 -!- flappity_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 11:36:19 -!- MBlaureNs has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:38:58 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 11:39:01 New branch created: koboldcultist (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/koboldcultist 11:39:01 03PleasingFungus02 07[koboldcultist] * 0.18-a0-1409-g4aa0700: New monster: Kobold Cultist WIP 10(3 minutes ago, 7 files, 35+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4aa070036ed3 11:43:04 !seen pleasingfungus 11:43:04 I last saw PleasingFungus at Wed Feb 24 16:38:58 2016 UTC (4m 6s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]'. 11:44:24 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:45:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 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for the player should be to get out of the way, of course 12:07:54 seems neat 12:08:02 does the monster keep moving after it starts chanting banish? 12:08:19 yeah, it's basically a copy of the orb spider right now 12:08:25 stormcallers were changed to do the same thing 12:08:40 well, stormcallers don't have MAINTAIN_RANGE, but aside from taht 12:09:10 ah ok 12:09:29 since chanting had various issues - too easy to dodge, buggy interaction with clouds 12:12:35 i assume summons are still strong vs this? 12:12:51 it's a beam, so yeah, summons would pretty much neuter it 12:13:13 barring bad luck with positioning 12:15:46 my hope is to set it up as another very early threat, maybe even orc wizard/priest tier. have to see if I can get the numbers to work 12:17:03 i think abyss reform is needed first, JMO 12:17:16 but i could see this going on orc sorcerers 12:18:39 -!- botbrad has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:19:46 -!- ursan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:20:31 abyss reform/ 12:20:32 ? 12:22:10 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:22:10 more granularity, easier abyss:1 12:22:21 faster exit spawning 12:22:32 more stairs down (these are closer to being OK now, though) 12:22:33 granularity? 12:23:00 there are only five difficulty levels of abyss 12:23:33 but players can get dumped there any time from about xl:10 (or earlier) to xl27 12:23:36 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:23:45 anyway thats a differnt discussion 12:23:46 im out :) 12:24:24 the difficulty levels are too similar 12:25:03 well, xl:1, really 12:25:40 what can the player do to avoid being banished by the cultist? 12:25:42 also note that deep banishment means that higher level players probably aren't gonna end up spending time in abyss:1 12:25:49 now that different enemies banish to different levels of the abyss, they should be significantly vary in difficulty e.g. abyss:1 survivable for xl 8, abyss 2 xl 12, abyss 3 xl 18, abyss 4 24 12:26:06 wheals: kill it, walk away, keep something between you and it 12:26:34 -!- molotove has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:26:40 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1408-g69e564c (34) 12:27:42 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:28:14 a lot like normal banishers, just more forgiving 12:30:25 it seems rather incommensurate with other threats at that time 12:30:33 WebFungus: you do realize that adding this into trunk will make you the single most hated developer of all time 12:30:36 nothing has ranged banish until after lair 12:30:36 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:47 because an enemy showing up on D:3 with banishment 12:31:17 wheals: it'll still be easier than orc priest, probably 12:31:37 maybe 12:33:17 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:33:52 !lg * recent killer="orc priest" s=place 12:33:54 without an abyss difficulty overhaul yes it wouldn't make sense to me 12:33:54 50513 games for * (recent killer='orc priest'): 23873x D:3, 12799x D:4, 4293x D:5, 3008x D:6, 1567x D:7, 1137x D:2, 1091x D:8, 736x D:9, 524x Orc:4, 376x D:10, 250x Orc:2, 213x Orc:1, 196x D:11, 153x Orc:3, 137x D:1, 67x D:12, 19x Temple, 16x Abyss:1, 10x D:13, 7x D:15, 6x D:14, 5x Elf:1, 5x Bailey, 4x Vaults:3, 3x Vaults:5, 3x Vaults:1, 2x Elf:2, 2x Abyss:2, Shoals:2, Elf:3, Abyss:5, Abyss:4, Vau... 12:34:03 for some reason I thought they started on d:4 12:34:10 hm 12:34:18 !lg * recent ikiller="kobold demonologist" s=place 12:34:19 474 games for * (recent ikiller='kobold demonologist'): 142x D:11, 62x D:12, 60x D:10, 35x D:9, 30x Bailey, 29x D:7, 29x D:8, 28x Abyss:1, 21x D:6, 12x D:14, 11x D:13, 7x Abyss:2, 3x D:15, Vaults:3, D:1, D:3, Abyss:3, D:2 12:35:17 well, I'll think it over. 12:43:01 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:43:26 could always move them to D:8 or the like rather than D:3 12:44:58 sure. I wasn't thinking d:3 anyway; d:4 or :5 at the earliest 12:45:33 it might as well be a chant of instadeath since abyss can't be survived by a char that early 12:46:31 factually untrue 12:48:02 you mustn't be playing the same crawl that I am playing then 12:49:27 !lm * recent abyss.exit !lugonu xl<10 12:49:29 700. [2016-02-24 16:38:38] ww7 the Charlatan (L4 SpAr of Jiyva) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 12:49:51 actually, better query 12:49:54 !lm * recent abyss.exit !ak xl<10 12:49:55 873. [2016-02-24 16:38:38] ww7 the Charlatan (L4 SpAr of Jiyva) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 12:50:09 hm 12:50:12 !lm . recent abyss.exit !ak xl<10 12:50:13 No milestones for WebFungus (recent abyss.exit !ak xl<10). 12:50:16 !lm . recent abyss.exit !ak xl<14 12:50:17 No milestones for WebFungus (recent abyss.exit !ak xl<14). 12:50:22 !lm . abyss.exit !ak xl<14 12:50:23 2. [2014-01-14 22:43:38] PleasingFungus the Slicer (L10 KoAr of Nemelex Xobeh) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 12:50:28 !lm . abyss.exit !ak xl<14 1 12:50:29 1/2. [2014-01-04 00:55:33] PleasingFungus the Conjurer (L10 DECj of Vehumet) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 12:50:32 nice 12:50:39 you can get lucky and have an exit spawn in sight when you enter - this is irrelevant 12:51:04 !lm * recent abyss.exit !ak xl<10 x=gid 12:51:05 873. [2016-02-24 16:38:38] [game_key=ww7:cwz:20160124161917S] ww7 the Charlatan (L4 SpAr of Jiyva) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 12:51:20 !lm ww7 gid=ww7:cwz:20160124161917S abyss.enter 12:51:21 1. [2016-02-24 16:38:09] ww7 the Charlatan (L4 SpAr of Jiyva) was cast into the Abyss! (Sonja) (Lair:2) 12:51:37 !lm ww7 gid=ww7:cwz:20160124161917S abyss.enter x=turn 12:51:38 1. [2016-02-24 16:38:09] [turn=16246] ww7 the Charlatan (L4 SpAr of Jiyva) was cast into the Abyss! (Sonja) (Lair:2) 12:51:47 !lm * recent abyss.exit !ak xl<10 x=turn 12:51:49 873. [2016-02-24 16:38:38] [turn=16290] ww7 the Charlatan (L4 SpAr of Jiyva) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 12:52:05 there's probably a good query for average duration in abyss 12:52:21 -!- panicbit has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:52:30 it's certainly extremely dangerous but it's possible to survive. the real pros can even get the rune 12:52:34 do you honestly think that abyss:1 is the right difficulty right now? 12:52:35 i've seen it done 12:52:36 I think I once managed to escape before XL10 on a character 12:52:45 !lm Lightli abyss.exit xl<10 12:52:46 1. [2012-04-06 22:03:13] Lightli the Frost Mage (L9 MfIE of Ashenzari) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss) 12:52:47 it was an ash character who died like 5 minutes later 12:52:50 lol 12:53:19 zxc: I doubt it's perfect but I don't think it's fundamentally off-base. 12:53:27 on D:5 you're fortunate if you have two tele scrolls 12:53:44 sure 12:53:46 see also: my linesprint game that had me go into a panic after an ironbrand convoker called in another ironbrand convoker and Lom Lobon, had me actually kill the latter, and then die a minute later to emperor scorpions 12:54:41 WebFungus: it's way, way off-base if you are going to place banishing enemies on d:4 and 5 12:54:58 what's your opinion on banishing enemies on d:1 12:55:19 Lightli: convokers are so goofy in sprint 12:56:35 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:56:40 -!- thromnambular has quit [Client Quit] 12:58:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:58:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:59:07 <|amethyst> !lg * !ak abyss xl<=10 12:59:08 20230. windfire0 the Chopper (L2 MiCK of Xom), blasted by an insubstantial wisp (static electricity) on Abyss:1 on 2016-02-24 15:31:36, with 24 points after 757 turns and 0:04:49. 12:59:14 <|amethyst> !lm * !ak abyss.exit xl<=10 12:59:16 8338. [2016-02-24 16:38:38] ww7 the Charlatan (L4 SpAr of Jiyva) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 12:59:31 pretty good odds, honestly 12:59:58 nearly 1/3? I was being optimistic here and even I would've guessed a little lower 13:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:12 nearly? 13:00:19 <|amethyst> 29% 13:00:28 <|amethyst> !calc 8338/(20230 + 8338) 13:00:28 0 13:00:30 yeah that's much higher than I would have expected 13:00:34 <|amethyst> !calc 100*8338/(20230 + 8338) 13:00:34 good ol calc 13:00:35 29 13:00:44 !lg * abyss rune xl<=10 13:00:45 No keyword 'rune' 13:00:57 !calc 100.0*8338/(20230 + 8338) 13:00:57 29.19 13:00:57 <|amethyst> my ratio is pretty close to that, though 13:01:05 <|amethyst> and considering how bad a player I am 13:01:21 <|amethyst> that might mean luck has more to do with it than skill 13:01:35 <|amethyst> !lg . !ak abyss xl<=10 13:01:36 26. neil the Shield-Bearer (L5 FoFi of Ashenzari), blasted by a raiju (living lightning) on Abyss:1 on 2016-01-22 18:30:45, with 140 points after 2125 turns and 0:06:22. 13:01:41 <|amethyst> !lm . !ak abyss.exit xl<=10 13:01:42 11. [2015-12-04 04:52:31] neil the Shield-Bearer (L6 DDFi) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 13:01:47 obviously, the skilled players don't get banished in the first place...... *smuggo* *smugface* *smugsmug* 13:01:55 <|amethyst> !calc 100*11/(26 + 11) 13:01:56 29 13:02:06 imo die in abyss one more time <_< 13:03:07 here's a more interesting question than whether abyss is instant-death for a low-level character: is abyss *fun* for a low-level character? 13:03:23 is abyss ever fun? 13:03:32 -!- AnFair has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:03:33 <|amethyst> I find it exciting 13:04:03 !lm zxc abyss.enter xl<10 13:04:04 1. [2014-10-21 11:25:47] zzxc the Basher (L7 GrWr) is cast into the Abyss! (orc) (D:5) 13:04:23 imo |amethyst is the one with the experience here <_< 13:04:36 <|amethyst> I'd say probably more exiciting than as a higher-level character 13:04:42 <|amethyst> s/xic/xc/ 13:04:48 <|amethyst> though I have less experience with the latter 13:04:51 haha 13:04:53 <|amethyst> !lm . rune=abyssal 13:04:54 2. [2013-11-04 19:13:29] neil the Bludgeoner (L23 GrWn of Okawaru) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 74055. (Abyss:3) 13:04:58 <|amethyst> !lm . rune=abyssal s=xl 13:04:59 2 milestones for |amethyst (rune=abyssal): 19, 23 13:05:12 since there's more excitement in running & hiding and trying not to get noticed by very nasty things than doing the usual dcss murderathon? 13:05:23 not that there's anything wrong with a good murderathon 13:05:44 <|amethyst> well, I get the impression high-level characters in abyss aren't supposed to murderthon either 13:06:32 <|amethyst> so perhaps it's "hoping not to die before finding the exit" vs "hoping not to be bored to death before finding the exit" 13:06:36 haha 13:07:06 here's a viewpoint I might argue: abyss:1 is actually better balanced than abyss:3 13:07:25 wrt danger & excitement for the kinds of characters that currently end up in each 13:08:29 it's not exciting, it's all up to what consumables you happen to have and whether you flip heads enough times to get out 13:08:48 have you done a lot of offline abyss? 13:09:11 I have done enough 13:10:07 seemed odd that you had such strong opinions from one early-game banishment, that's all. 13:10:12 the only decent strategy is not to get abyssed in the first place, which is mostly achievable right now but I imagine if you add banishing enemies to d:4 there will be situations where you can't avoid it no matter what you do 13:10:24 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:25 The build passed. (master - 4a24519 #4872 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111516082 13:10:25 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 13:10:42 abyss isn't just dangerous at xl<10 13:11:48 sure, but that's sort of the "lucky to have two scrolls of ?tele" period. 13:12:06 you can have a lot more and still not get out 13:12:12 and play it near flawlessly 13:12:27 <|amethyst> there *is* a lot of luck in how quickly you find an exit 13:13:02 how large of a role luck plays is mostly the only thing I have a strong opinion on in crawl 13:13:07 <|amethyst> most of the time I've escaped at low levels, it's because I found an exit fairly quickly 13:13:09 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:35 <|amethyst> !lm . abyss.exit xl<=10 x=gid,turn 13:13:35 13. [2015-12-04 04:52:31] [game_key=neil:cszo:20151104044609S;turn=2156] neil the Shield-Bearer (L6 DDFi) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1) 13:13:50 <|amethyst> !lm . gid=neil:cszo:20151104044609S abyss.enter x=turn 13:13:51 1. [2015-12-04 04:51:59] [turn=2101] neil the Shield-Bearer (L6 DDFi) was cast into the Abyss! (gnoll) (D:4) 13:14:02 <|amethyst> !lm . abyss.exit xl<=10 x=gid,turn -2 13:14:03 12/13. [2015-11-24 23:30:37] [game_key=neil:cszo:20151024231441S;turn=7196] neil the Basher (L10 VSMo of Okawaru) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:2) 13:14:11 <|amethyst> !lm . gid=neil:cszo:20151024231441S abyss.enter x=turn 13:14:12 1. [2015-11-24 23:30:29] [turn=7185] neil the Basher (L10 VSMo of Okawaru) was cast into the Abyss! (Psyche) (D:9) 13:14:17 haha 13:14:24 <|amethyst> !lm . abyss.exit xl<=10 x=gid,turn -3 13:14:25 11/13. [2015-01-15 05:52:03] [game_key=neil:cszo:20150015053309S;turn=7495] neil the Spear-Bearer (L10 MfGl of Okawaru) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:2) 13:14:32 <|amethyst> !lm . gid=neil:cszo:20150015053309S abyss.enter x=turn 13:14:33 1. [2015-01-15 05:51:36] [turn=7409] neil the Spear-Bearer (L10 MfGl of Okawaru) is cast into the Abyss! (Psyche) (D:8) 13:15:23 <|amethyst> so what about revealing the locations of abyss exits on A:1 for everyone? 13:15:46 <|amethyst> I'm sure plenty of times I didn't make it out, there was an exit just as nearby, if I had just gone in a different direction 13:15:55 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:16:26 Can you explain your reasoning? 13:16:58 <|amethyst> generally I go in one direction, and about 1/3 of the time (at that XL) I find an exit fairly quickly 13:17:03 funny thought: use the portal "you hear an exit nearby" mechanic 13:17:14 <|amethyst> if you consider all the squares within the same radius of the entry point 13:17:21 <|amethyst> I have seen significantly less than 1/3 of them 13:17:27 sure, of course 13:18:16 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:18:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:19:09 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:22:27 !learn del battlemage[$ 13:22:27 Deleted battlemage[8/8]: RAGE MAGE 13:22:32 kept meaning to do that 13:25:32 -!- oxeimon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:26:37 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:27:01 so apparently the zig changes are terrifying 13:27:08 Piginabag: since mummy floors are now 90% greater mummies 13:27:16 Piginabag: I had 40 orbs of fire visible at once Piginabag: on a fire floor 13:27:58 and he just had 13 in LOS at the start of the second zig 13:28:33 he is literally in the triple digits of megazigs 13:28:51 if the game is not doing its best to murder him, what is even the point 13:29:03 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:29:56 <|amethyst> this is the "FUCK YOU GAMMAFUNK" game? 13:30:50 yes 13:31:00 the one that got posted on tavern by gammafunk 13:31:17 <|amethyst> I saw it on reddit first actually :) 13:31:26 orc floors now have more juggernauts than actual orcs 13:31:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:31:53 <|amethyst> https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/470y3y/ 13:32:24 <|amethyst> I guess gf's post is earlier though 13:32:25 "The primary reason to use gozag, and what makes him unique among mega zig gods, is gold distraction. It functions as an extremely powerful mass confusion/paralysis especially in enemy dense situations." 13:32:27 interesting 13:32:42 that would explain why he takes literally no damage 13:33:19 it's very broken yes, i'd meant to do something about it after abusing it a bit on my mummy 13:33:25 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:42 MarvinPA: but you wanted to keep the secret tech all for yourself! I see how it is... 13:33:44 not super important since it's not so relevant outside zig but it should probably have a soft cap or something 13:33:57 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:34:00 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:34:47 the privileges of being a dev... 13:35:01 (i had actually mentioned it once i realised it was the case, i think :P) 13:35:11 (: 13:35:29 soft cap sounds like a reasonable approach, yeah 13:35:45 hm 13:35:46 &versions 13:35:59 piginabag still got his game going? 13:36:08 !lm piginabag 13:36:08 let it keep refreshing the duration but become increasingly unlikely to increase the strength, or something 13:36:09 25963. [2016-02-24 18:35:17] Piginabag the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAs of Gozag) reached level 15 of a Ziggurat on turn 1026692. (Zig:15) 13:36:11 CAO: 0.18-a0-1408-g69e564c, CBRO: 0.18-a0-1503-ge0208f0, CDO: 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca, CPO: 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca, CSZO: 0.18-a0-1406-gf4880ca, CUE: 0.18-a0-1400-g0ef5d54, CWZ: 0.18-a0-1399-gfc9c12e, CXC: 0.18-a0-1405-g73f4075, LLD: 0.18-a0-1132-g8c20bbc 13:36:12 <|amethyst> trying to see if we have had any commits titled "Nerf " 13:36:29 <|amethyst> closest I have found yet is "Nerf DrFi (DrKe)" 13:36:34 close! 13:36:37 <|amethyst> internecine draconian conflicts 13:36:49 piginabag definitely deserves to be in the commit history for this 13:37:09 <|amethyst> the great thing is 13:37:15 pfft, i remember when doing 50 zigs in a game took effort and dedication! 13:37:26 these whippersnappers with their zigfigs have it easy 13:37:30 !lg * killer="rime drake" 13:37:30 <|amethyst> this most recent zig buff was already written before PiaB started! 13:37:30 No games for * (killer='rime drake'). 13:37:36 !lg * killer=dart_slug 13:37:37 42. arikggd the Conjurer (L1 FeCj), blasted by a dart slug (slug dart) on D:1 on 2016-02-24 17:52:43, with 3 points after 124 turns and 0:00:26. 13:37:40 pew 13:37:44 !lg * killer=dart_slug s=crace 13:37:44 42 games for * (killer=dart_slug): 7x Deep Elf, 7x Spriggan, 5x Demonspawn, 3x Naga, 3x Ogre, 2x Gargoyle, 2x Demigod, 2x Vine Stalker, 2x Octopode, 2x Merfolk, Human, Hill Orc, Formicid, Kobold, Tengu, Felid, High Elf 13:37:46 -!- Piginabag has joined ##crawl-dev 13:37:51 -!- oxeimon1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:37:51 guys pls let me have my fun stop 13:37:54 hahahaha 13:38:01 guessing lightli warned you? 13:38:10 yup 13:38:36 !lg * killer=dart_slug max=xl 13:38:37 42. Brendan5E the Skirmisher (L6 HOFi), blasted by a dart slug (slug dart) on D:3 on 2016-02-23 17:04:02, with 242 points after 2530 turns and 0:11:26. 13:38:41 !lg * killer=dart_slug max=xl -2 13:38:42 41/42. soeti the Insei (L3 DsMo), blasted by a dart slug (slug dart) on D:2 on 2016-02-22 17:44:26, with 43 points after 1269 turns and 0:02:46. 13:38:48 :( yeah. but its justified. really, this whole thing hinges on gold distraction, thats all that needs to change 13:38:52 dart slug (slug dart) 13:38:58 imho. but you guys are gonna do your thang 13:39:06 Piginabag: I'd really been wondering how you were doing those zigs without taking any damage 13:39:10 had forgotten about gold distraction 13:39:27 <|amethyst> !lm piginabag x=src 13:39:27 25966. [2016-02-24 18:36:50] [src=cszo] Piginabag the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAs of Gozag) reached level 18 of a Ziggurat on turn 1027691. (Zig:18) 13:39:42 <|amethyst> !lm piginabag x=src,cv 13:39:43 25967. [2016-02-24 18:39:21] [src=cszo;cv=0.18-a] Piginabag the Farming Meteorologist (L27 DsAs of Gozag) reached level 19 of a Ziggurat on turn 1028062. (Zig:19) 13:39:47 <|amethyst> Piginabag: you can always decline to transfer your game :) 13:40:00 it functions as a mass paralysis once you've got gold on the ground 13:40:04 ooooh that I could do 13:40:13 likely one day I would screw that up 13:40:18 you had to suggest it... 13:40:29 Piginabag: the gold distraction was the only thing we were planning to change, yeah - the zig set reworks were unrelated, planned for some months now 13:40:30 build offline? 13:40:57 -!- sqveke has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:16 I don't believe that for a second, rofl 13:41:53 <|amethyst> %git 047427f35 13:41:53 07regret-index02 {|amethyst} * 0.18-a0-994-g047427f: Zig stacking: slow down floor-filling, scale sets instead 10(7 weeks ago, 1 file, 266+ 121-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/047427f35020 13:41:56 <|amethyst> %git 887a372733 13:41:56 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1054-g887a372: Revert "Zig stacking: slow down floor-filling, scale sets instead" 10(6 weeks ago, 1 file, 121+ 266-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/887a372733b3 13:42:05 sorry pig 13:42:07 <|amethyst> %git 62fe6c3e8 13:42:07 07regret-index02 * 0.18-a0-1398-g62fe6c3: Zig Stacking: floor-filling slowed, sets scale contents up 10(24 hours ago, 1 file, 269+ 121-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62fe6c3e8456 13:42:23 not everything's about you... (: 13:42:28 the changes were so incredibly recognizable to me because i've done this literally over a hundred times now 13:42:34 haha 13:42:34 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:43:25 <|amethyst> I do think we should add a new unique to celebrate Piginabag's new heights in debauchery 13:43:36 <|amethyst> maybe a companion to Kirke 13:43:47 :P 13:44:03 at what zig do the changes to enemy composition culminate? 13:44:19 a unique that worships gozag and explodes into gold on death? hehe 13:45:36 not clear to me whether it does cap 13:45:53 <|amethyst> eventually you do approach stability in the distribution 13:46:10 sure 13:46:11 * geekosaur had been wondering when Kirke would get aporkalypse... 13:46:47 <|amethyst> e.g. in Lair monster set you end up with hellephants and caustic shrikes at w:4N, catoblepas and druid at w:3N, etc, where N is the number of zigs completed 13:47:25 <|amethyst> the commit message lists the monsters in the limit sets (but not weights) 13:47:26 mega-kirke 13:47:52 bring back borisscaling... 13:47:54 the orc and lair floors are just hilarious at this point. 70% juggernaut orc floors, lair floors are basically hellephant, catoblepas shrike floors. vault floors are 1/3 glich, 1/3 gold dragon, 1/3 titan 13:48:22 clearly once you hit 100 zigs you should just place a test spawner on top of the zig:27 fig 13:48:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:48:51 <|amethyst> Lightli: ITYM 243 zigs 13:48:56 regret-index is very definitely not plugged into what's happening on tavern 13:49:11 "37 ancient liches" 13:49:24 tavern annoys me enough, i'm pretty sure that regret-index would literally burst into flames if they started reading it 13:49:36 or just 256 as a pac-man kill screen reference 13:50:08 why did you spoil Piginabag's fun by telling him about it, Lightli 13:50:34 because I wanted to see his reaction 13:50:48 heh 13:50:51 it was good timing 13:51:00 <|amethyst> WebFungus: yes, but she should be made aware of this game I think 13:51:07 I'm not sure I would consider "starting up my game one day and instantly dying doing the same thing I have been doing" fun 13:51:24 <|amethyst> probably this is more intensive testing than the new zig scaling stuff is likely to ever get again 13:51:40 haha 13:51:43 !lm * zig.enter s=gid 13:51:47 well, I think Piginabag is right on this one 13:51:52 58226 milestones for * (zig.enter): 35001x wya:cdo:20100101025939S, 106x Piginabag:cszo:20160118200839S, 100x N78291:cdo:20091013013152S, 59x mopl:cszo:20141108193044S, 58x MarvinPA:cdo:20130118213330S, 50x Ahrin:cdo:20091019013609S, 50x Kellhus:rhf:20130528195040S, 43x Apol:cszo:20140008225154S, 39x mudo:cdo:20120316143317S, 36x Airwolf:cao:20150620210148S, 35x Hurricos:cszo:20150127225705S, 31x ... 13:51:53 in that the core problem is the gozag gold distraction 13:51:56 not the sets 13:52:52 yeah 13:53:04 at this rate piginabag may depopulate the entire planet of monsters 13:53:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:53:50 FFXIII: Lightning Returns has a mechanic where killing enough of a type of monster makes a super "omega" monster of that type appear, after which the species is permanently extinct 13:54:13 I'm surprised that was your first thought and not the extinction mechanic in nethack 13:54:21 fr: omega oklob 13:54:31 the thing is the demonspawn mutations are a large part of the reason this is possible, they make up for the lack of makhleb 13:54:44 i have never played nethack 13:54:48 probably never will 13:55:26 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 13:55:38 <|amethyst> IMO you should, though it certainly wouldn't hurt to do one of the UI modernisation variants instead of mainline 13:55:56 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:10 <|amethyst> well 13:56:15 <|amethyst> I guess you could just read spoilers 13:56:41 <|amethyst> I always found that more fun than actually playing the game 13:56:56 <|amethyst> not just nethack, why do you think I became a Crawl dev? 13:57:14 to write spoilers 13:57:33 <|amethyst> my spoilers are written in C++ 13:58:18 i have paid my toll to badly designed, ancient roguelikes with my angband days 13:58:19 ^ new hit song by a nerdcore emo band 13:58:39 I'm sure I could learn something from nethack, but I'd prefer to spend my time playing better games instead 13:59:01 also i read the nethack TAS commentary a while back - does that count? (: 13:59:11 <|amethyst> heh 13:59:48 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:51 <|amethyst> ais doesn't play nethack, he plays RNG tennis 14:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:07 <|amethyst> in such a way to lead to the perfect game of nethack 14:00:26 he also writes nethack spoilers in C 14:00:26 -!- Torax_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:28 <|amethyst> future work: find a seed and a sequence of inputs that is a winning game in both nethack and crawl 14:01:43 like those mega man simultaneous plays? 14:01:59 <|amethyst> oh, people have actually done that? 14:02:02 <|amethyst> amazing 14:02:25 i think there are ones that do 4 different mega man games at once even 14:03:11 yeah, that's the one I've seen 14:03:26 e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5pz6waED0w 14:04:44 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 14:05:14 why mega man 14:05:29 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:05:58 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:59 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:34 wheals: why not 14:06:50 !shrug 14:06:51 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 14:07:58 The games Mega Man 3, 4, 5 and 6 are all the same. Eight robot masters are defeated and Mega Man steals their weapons. After some kind of distraction, Mega Man attacks Wily's fortress and it typically gets blown up. If you don't believe that's true, we offer this movie. While driving home the point in honor of our first multi-game movie, Baxter and AngerFist prove that Capcom really has been making the same game over and over 14:08:21 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:08:39 <|amethyst> BTW, I think this showed up in Tavern earlier, but: https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/47e4s1/dungeon_crawl_stone_soup_for_ios_is_available/ 14:08:50 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:51 <|amethyst> https://github.com/CliffsDover/crawl/tree/iOS_Release 14:09:20 I did see that, yeah 14:09:26 it's cool 14:09:35 <|amethyst> unfortunately the git history is funny 14:10:05 <|amethyst> so it's hard to review a diff 14:10:09 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:10:32 <|amethyst> s/hard/somewhat more annoying/ 14:12:18 claims to be 50,000 commits behind - did the dev just squash the entirety of crawl up to wherever they are? 14:12:20 looks like it 14:12:33 I wonder what commit they actually correspond to 14:13:03 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:14:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:15:22 one hilarious consequence of the change to zig density is that the super-combined starcursed mass is more powerful than ever before. its taking like 3 tornados and a ton of melee swings to kill 14:16:25 ahh, is this something about multiple full-strength starcursed masses combining together? 14:17:18 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:39 I keep getting these ultra-combined starcursed masses on abyss floors, when the floor is cleared 1 will remain and it looks like its almost dead 14:17:39 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:17:39 this one has taken over 10 tornados haha 14:18:08 it seems like it would actually be not that hard to win both crawl and nethack, since you can control when threats appear by going downstairs in one game but not the other 14:19:12 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:19:30 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 14:20:22 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:21:57 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 14:22:10 <|amethyst> amalloy: more importantly, because you can go into menus or line-entry 14:22:34 <|amethyst> amalloy: so you can "comment out" large sections of the transcript for one game or the other 14:22:36 |amethyst with the real secret tech 14:23:54 world's strangest weapon inscription 14:24:00 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:25:19 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:29:03 -!- oxeimon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:29:50 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:30:13 put xw to shame 14:31:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:48 -!- pythonsnake1 is now known as pythonsnake 14:33:13 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 14:33:36 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:34:16 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:35:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:45:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:18 The build passed. (master - 69e564c #4873 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111520108 14:55:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:56:50 -!- WebFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:57:33 -!- molotove1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:59:02 -!- Torax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:07 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:03:25 -!- sqveke has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:44 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:04:30 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:21 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:23 I am considering taking your gozag nerf and attempting to clear a zig as my last hurrah. If I live, I ascend, if I die, then, well 15:07:05 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:55 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 15:09:20 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:13:19 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:08 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:20 |amethyst: 617818c1bf breaks compilation for me on ubuntu, is there something with ncurses i need to mess with? 15:16:32 libunix.cc: In function ‘int getchk()’: 15:16:32 libunix.cc:237:23: error: ‘get_wch’ was not declared in this scope 15:16:36 and similar errors 15:18:00 libncursesw5-dev? 15:18:47 i have that installed it looks like 15:19:33 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:19:43 be cause it's been buil;ding fine for me on mint 17.2 (ubuntu 14.04 ++) 15:21:24 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:21:55 gozag nerf? 15:23:48 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:24:27 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:25:06 [24 18:32] "The primary reason to use gozag, and what makes him unique among mega zig gods, is gold distraction. It functions as an extremely powerful mass confusion/paralysis especially in enemy dense situations." 15:25:12 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:13 ProzacElf ^^ 15:25:35 i figured it had to do with that 15:26:24 otoh, tailoring the game around what works/doesn't in mega-zigs is pretty niche 15:26:47 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:20 it looks like the previous commit does compile but i get a load of redundant redeclaration warnings in libunix.cc instead 15:28:38 MarvinPA: tiles reasons 15:28:53 yeh. those warnings were the point of the commit. siiigh 15:30:01 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:31:59 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:49 was wondering if anybody would notice zig-stacking 15:33:29 I should make a reference paste for some of the odds 15:34:36 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:41:23 I must say, giant eyeballs on slime floors is a nice touch 15:41:33 thank you 15:42:47 gozag not having a hard cap does seem like a more fun way to approach matters than the anticipated darkness+glaciate+mprenewal invincibility 15:45:10 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:48:25 (some day, nightstalker will be redesigned. some day.) 15:52:45 I still have yet to see a holy floor since the monster distribution change in mega zigs. Not looking forward to it. However the way it makes some floors look is hilarious 15:52:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:54:23 "you see here 40 orbs of fire" 15:54:46 MarvinPA: maybe it's finding the wrong libcurses? do you have a non-w libncurses-dev installed? 15:55:45 at zig^100 the orb of fire chance per spawn is 32% 15:56:09 i think i have libncurses-dev too, yeah 15:56:40 with a 5 in there somewhere 15:57:26 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:30 of course the makefile would still be wrong, but at least it would fix your compile 15:58:48 i'm assuming you do have pkg-config? 15:59:14 yeah 15:59:28 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:23 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:43 what does uname -S say? 16:00:53 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:58 uname -s rather 16:01:07 Linux 16:02:51 no ideas, then 16:05:24 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:05:33 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06:10 also libtinfo-dev but I don't think that matters (and I don't see a wide variant) 16:06:19 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:23 -!- halv has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:06:53 oh look 16:06:54 a rime drake 16:07:02 it should be in libncursesw5-dev 16:07:10 hm, is this perhaps ncurses 6? 16:08:28 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:08:41 i removed libncurses5-dev and it compiled with no complaints now, so i guess wheals had it right? 16:09:00 odd 16:09:24 they should coexist in different directories. is perhaps the combined-ncurses flag getting set somehow? 16:09:42 -!- DaneiFOURTEEN is now known as DaneiNINE 16:09:51 (LIBNCURSES_IS_UNICODE) 16:10:25 looks like it's only checked if uname -S has "darwin" in it 16:10:33 s/checked/set 16:11:25 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:15:11 Spectral arachnids are unaffected by player Control Undead 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10297 by RBrandon 16:16:02 -!- shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:16:48 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16:55 fr: if UC is your highest skill with dith you get the title "shadow boxer" 16:18:39 http://pastie.org/10736211 @piginabag 16:19:01 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:20 (...probably will slow down that pan lord rate alongside early zig stack moths of wraths.) 16:19:20 regret-index: in all the time I've spent watching people zig, I seriously haven't seen people using darkness tech. 16:19:22 not sure why. 16:19:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:19:46 possibly people prefer max-LOS edge-of-screen firestorm nonsense. 16:19:49 people are bad, this is a constant. 16:19:50 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:19:53 wow, rude 16:24:12 something that comes to mind from watching this 16:24:31 something in how zigfigs works locks in the ziggurat shape for the rest of the game (?) 16:26:13 iirc that's not zigfigs, it's a longstanding zig bug that you always get the same shape in each game or something 16:26:46 oh 16:26:55 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:59 still should be fixed anyway, of course 16:30:06 -!- Delreyn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:31:28 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:33:21 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:35:09 -!- MBlaureNs has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:35:20 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:24 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:36:36 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:38:25 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:41:17 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:41:23 -!- MBlaureNs_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:41:29 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:41:37 -!- regret-index has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:44:24 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:45:42 something to do with how lua persists data iirc 16:46:03 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:49:47 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:48 The build passed. (koboldcultist - 4aa0700 #4874 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111525717 16:49:49 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:51:04 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:57:30 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:39 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:42 -!- mineral has quit [Changing host] 17:03:42 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:24 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:15:33 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:20:50 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:22:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:23:09 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:24:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:27:54 -!- shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:30:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:30:30 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:35:13 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:36:01 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:40:03 -!- MBlaureNs__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:40:52 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:20 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: hmm 17:41:32 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:42:10 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: what does pkg-config --cflags ncursesw say for you? 17:42:31 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: alternatively, what were the exact cflags from the failed and the successful runs? 17:42:43 -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/ -I/usr/include/ncursesw 17:43:16 <|amethyst> hm 17:46:33 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:47:04 <|amethyst> I see how that could be a problem (if /usr/include/ contains an ncurses.h you'd be including that instead of the ncursesw version) 17:47:17 <|amethyst> but it's not clear why it works with -I but not with -isystem 17:48:30 <|amethyst> I guess maybe something different happens if a path appears both in -I and in the default system include path, compared to if it appears both in -isystem and the defaul 17:48:59 -!- timvisher has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:49:17 <|amethyst> e.g. if -I/usr/include were omitted from that position in the search path since it appears later in the defaults, but -isystem /usr/include were not 17:49:47 -!- namad7 has quit [] 17:49:49 <|amethyst> oh, hm 17:50:08 <|amethyst> apparently there's an environment variable: 17:50:10 <|amethyst> PKG_CONFIG_ALLOW_SYSTEM_CFLAGS 17:50:10 <|amethyst> Don't strip -I/usr/include out of cflags. 17:50:34 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:51:51 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: does it leave off the -I if you do PKG_CONFIG_ALLOW_SYSTEM_CLFAGS= pkg-config --cflags ncursesw 17:53:27 piginabag's record breaking zig run is using darkness 17:53:48 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: have to go now, might investigate further later 17:53:54 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 17:53:55 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: post a bug about it if you don't mind 17:54:31 will do, thanks! 18:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:12 i have a !lm question 18:01:33 milestones have a ktyp field which refers to the ultimate ktyp of hte game, even if the milestone isn't about dying 18:01:38 is there a kplace field? 18:07:42 Compilation failure in libunix.cc 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10298 by MarvinPA 18:07:42 isn't it just place? 18:08:53 miek_: that's place of the milestone 18:09:09 eg 18:09:13 !lm * banished current xl=10 !won x=place,gid 18:09:18 679. [2016-02-24 20:14:08] [place=Abyss:2;game_key=Kurtz:cszo:20160124195438S] Kurtz the Carver (L10 VSGl of Okawaru) was cast into the Abyss! (Psyche) (D:8) 18:09:30 !lg kurtz gid=Kurtz:cszo:20160124195438S x=place 18:09:31 1. [place=IceCv] Kurtz the Fencer (L11 VSGl of Okawaru), engulfed by a cloud of freezing vapour in IceCv (ice_cave_small_demon) on 2016-02-24 20:28:11, with 12665 points after 11399 turns and 0:26:16. 18:09:54 i guess sequell has an API, I can get this data by hand 18:09:59 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1408-g69e564c (34) 18:11:17 oh you want the place of death? 18:11:40 !lm * banished current xl=10 !won x=lg:place 18:11:45 679. [2016-02-24 20:14:08] [place=Abyss:2] Kurtz the Carver (L10 VSGl of Okawaru) was cast into the Abyss! (Psyche) (D:8) 18:16:11 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:17:19 miek_: that seems incorrect based on the above 18:17:26 the place should be IceCv 18:21:26 yeah weird 18:21:51 !lm * abyss s=lg:place 18:21:58 296799 milestones for * (abyss): 96922x D:$, 38484x Abyss:1, 13500x D:2, 12806x D:1, 10870x D:3, 9205x Pan, 7273x D:4, 6487x Abyss:2, 6094x Zot:5, 3901x Vaults:5, 3522x D:5, 2827x Dis:7, 2805x Abyss, 2795x Elf:3, 2471x Abyss:3, 2366x Geh:7, 2325x D:6, 2186x Coc:7, 2113x Slime:6, 2091x Tomb:1, 1680x D:8, 1550x D:7, 1309x D:9, 1289x Vaults:4, 1250x Abyss:5, 1231x D:10, 1101x Tomb:3, 1084x Depths:2, ... 18:22:22 it usually works.. dunno why it didn't there 18:22:43 !lm kurtz abyss s=lg:place 18:22:45 210 milestones for kurtz (abyss): 57x Abyss:1, 26x D:1, 20x D:3, 18x D:$, 15x D:2, 12x D:4, 8x D:5, 5x D:6, 5x Depths:3, 5x Slime:5, 4x Vaults:5, 3x D:10, 3x Slime:6, 3x D:11, 3x Zot:5, 3x IceCv, 2x Lair:3, 2x Lair:1, Slime:4, D:8, Vaults:4, Bailey, D:13, Lair:8, Vaults:1, Abyss:4, D:12, Abyss:2, Orc:4, Orc:3, Abyss:3, D:9, Zot:4, D:15 18:22:49 !lm kurtz abyss vsgl s=lg:place 18:22:51 2 milestones for kurtz (abyss vsgl): 2x IceCv 18:23:01 !lm kurtz abyss vsgl x=lg:place 18:23:03 2. [2016-02-24 20:14:17] [place=Abyss:2] Kurtz the Carver (L10 VSGl of Okawaru) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:2) 18:23:17 doesn't seem to like "x=lg:place" but otherwise uses it correctly 18:23:45 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:30 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:25:29 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:27:53 pleasingfungus: another wish, that there was a damage steroid for ally too. And that the ally could be told to be aggressive, so there's less t-a'ing 18:29:48 i see hep has an altar tile while poor uka still doesn't 18:31:43 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:32:40 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:35:06 !tell pleasingfungus I killed the dart slug, and I am the greatest hero of all time. 18:35:06 Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:35:06 Lasty: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 18:38:00 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39:01 !tell ontoclasm could we get a mini status icon for magical armour, which hep romanticise applies to your ally? I think it's used in another few cases as well 18:39:02 chequers: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 18:39:17 -!- seren has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:39:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:39:58 pfff 18:40:09 i've killed plenty of dart slugs and i'm not looking for a medal Lasty 18:40:31 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 18:41:09 namelastname112 (L20 DrCj) (Vaults:2) 18:41:24 ProzacElf: THERE ARE MORE? 18:42:47 YES 18:43:04 also, "swamp worm green" is a considerably better look on that tile than "regular worm red" imo 18:47:22 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:49:41 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:01 pleasingfungus: in v:5 at xl 23 my knight tends to die before i can romanticise to save him, to keep him alive I'd have to romanticise every 2-3 turns 19:00:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:29 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:03:19 that's a wonderful sentence 19:03:53 learn add hepliaklqana 19:08:16 -!- PsyMar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:11:58 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:12:18 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:25 chequers: man, you're lucky I check backlog 19:12:58 the trick with damage steroid is figuring out something that makes sense for all three classes 19:13:28 !crashlog namelastname112 19:13:29 6. namelastname112, XL20 DrCj, T:64636 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/namelastname112/crash-namelastname112-20160224-234049.txt 19:14:21 !tell wheals 423115569a58732a78bb -> !crashlog namelastname112 6 ? 19:14:22 WebFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 19:14:51 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:15:07 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:15:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:16:27 chequers: have you been using the new transferrence? 19:16:35 -!- Piginabag has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:30 !lm * verb=ancestor.death 19:17:31 No milestones for * (verb=ancestor.death). 19:17:36 !lm * noun=ancestor.death 19:17:37 No milestones for * (noun=ancestor.death). 19:17:39 feh 19:17:42 !lm * verb=ancestor.deathswap 19:17:43 14. [2016-02-24 20:10:34] zarath9 the Cleaver (L14 GrFi of Hepliaklqana) remembered their ancestor Ahhotep's death as being explosive on turn 16785. (Lair:5) 19:17:55 hm, sort of ambiguous 19:18:34 maybe "remembered their ancestor 's death on turn X" 19:18:40 WebFungus: no, I haven't, the slow duration doesn't seem long enough to bother 19:18:53 WebFungus: i said like six things fwiw 19:19:01 WebFungus: on the assumption you do check backlog :) 19:19:11 I spotted some 19:19:27 I mean the obvious steroid is +slay +spellpower (there's monster::spell_hd courtesy of Grunt) 19:19:59 I didn't want to add more enchs... <_< 19:20:00 -!- flappity_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:20:14 fair. I like that H is mostly about the ally, not abilities 19:20:32 yeah, idk. i'll ruminate on it 19:20:44 here's everything i said btw http://dpaste.com/1K648AA 19:20:45 I think the fundamental concept of the allies is in an okay place, but the active abilities need a lot of work 19:20:57 yeah I did see those 19:21:08 yeah. the core of "this god gives you an ally" is incredibly fun for me 19:21:13 the first one seems very odd, the assertion wrt "if invo doesn't scale" 19:22:00 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:22:06 yeah. I'm not sure about the first part, but I do think it's semi-valid to just use my ally to slow enemies while kiting them 19:22:28 romanticize piety cost seemed like a reasonable concern, but it's sounding maybe more like knights just need a little more late-game beef. undecided. i'm fine with them dying regularly as long as they're not spending most of their time dead 19:22:38 knights and/or ancestors generally maybe. 19:23:06 if you were going to take away knight damage while increasing their durability, I wouldn't complain much 19:23:39 would probably want to bump down their killpower if that was the case, since they are already quite powerful - imho a semi-disposable ally focused toward offense is more interesting than a tougher one, but there's obviously room for flexibility there 19:24:06 need to play some more. 19:24:17 !lm . god~~hep 19:24:17 8. [2016-02-20 22:45:10] PleasingFungus the Destroyer (L12 HuFE of Hepliaklqana) killed the ghost of password the Martial Artist, a journeyman DsMo of Hepliaklqana on turn 12691. (Lair:3) 19:24:28 ^ that char is stupid good btw 19:24:31 yeah, sitting behind ally with a polearm is fun, but not as fun as watching it kill swamp dragons 19:24:50 yeah. I have the "problem" that my current H character is OP 19:24:56 haha 19:25:25 I was intentionally trying to choose something more midrange rather than a Power Character. 19:25:27 !lm chequers 19:25:28 11153. [2016-02-24 05:36:30] chequers the Brawler (L16 TrCK of Xom) left the Snake Pit on turn 25718. (Snake:1) 19:25:36 !lm chequers god~~hep 19:25:37 No milestones for chequers (god~~hep). 19:25:39 hm 19:25:41 i haven't hooked up CPO experimentals to sequell 19:25:44 ahh 19:25:55 you can see the dump here https://crawl.project357.org/play/dcss-web-combo_god 19:26:13 er 19:26:15 &watch 19:26:17 https://crawl.project357.org/watch/chequers 19:26:22 yeah, imho the other ally gods (yred especially) already provide the "tougher but less disposable" ally experience 19:26:22 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:26:36 +9 vamp 19:26:42 PONDERHAT 19:26:50 it's so good 19:26:59 love that hat 19:27:03 since i'm invincible, it just prevents banishment 19:27:04 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 19:27:09 haha 19:28:19 i'm gonna give new transference at least a few days before I give up on it, especially given how much work it took me to code up <_< 19:28:44 but there's sort of a three-legged stool, transference & swap effects & death effects, and they're all pretty shaky 19:29:33 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:31:38 i've sort of made an enormous mess for myself - huge design challenge - sometimes demoralizing. hopefully it'll work out somehow 19:31:39 sounds like it's time to 19:31:41 shake things up a bit 19:31:48 * WebFungus trembles in terror! 19:32:07 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:32:28 like I said, the core is so good, I wouldn't worry 19:32:45 like, the god would be fun, and a reasonable power level as-is without actives, if you had to 19:32:57 well, the core is crawl. the great thing about crawl is that it's so huge, it's really hard to fuck it up that much 19:33:01 this is also the terrible thing about crawl 19:33:32 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:33:37 but thank you for your kind words, anyway. 19:34:35 !lm * verb=ancestor.life noun~~hexer s=name 19:34:36 No milestones for * (verb=ancestor.life noun~~hexer). 19:34:41 hm 19:34:52 !lm * verb=ancestor.class noun~~hexer s=name 19:34:53 16 milestones for * (verb=ancestor.class noun~~hexer): 7x password, popcvltist, GenericPseudonym, Vidiiot, wizardeyejoe, joy1999, neil, inqbanana, Silvershatter, phyphor 19:35:04 !lm * verb=ancestor.class noun~~knight s=name 19:35:05 21 milestones for * (verb=ancestor.class noun~~knight): 3x password, 2x thelaststarmaker, 2x neil, mibe, Thraspic, hafui, josefromcouch, Shard1697, uezs, wizardeyejoe, carl, Wingboner, doctordoom, crate, estick, demonblade, zarath9 19:35:14 !lm * verb=ancestor.class noun~~battlemage s=name 19:35:15 25 milestones for * (verb=ancestor.class noun~~battlemage): 3x FIQ, 2x xf86enodev, 2x twist, AGlassDarkly, kakesh, ProzacElf, Like700asians, Inquiry, thelaststarmaker, CulBaka, PleasingFungus, mibe, mg7810, tab, arglypuff, bsdbeard, zercules, doctordoom, estick, Modest, Jojo 19:35:23 apologies for pinging 19:35:38 god, I need to get some feedback from this password person 19:35:47 they're all over that branch 19:35:48 ? 19:35:49 ah 19:38:54 -!- Drachs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:40:36 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:41:11 -!- reosarevok has joined ##crawl-dev 19:46:39 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:50:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:53:58 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:56:21 -!- thrig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:57:38 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:57:50 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:58:46 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:46 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:09:57 greensnark: sequell http api is down 20:10:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:11:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:33 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 20:21:55 Grunt: should dispelling/yara's unravelling be able to knock off de high priest's brilliance aura? 20:21:55 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:22:37 I have a sequell patch to add combo_god branch on CPO https://github.com/crawl/sequell/pull/55 20:22:40 not sure who can accept it 20:23:01 it's absolutely unacceptable. 20:23:17 luckily sequell doesn't kowtow to your whims 20:23:23 prepare to see more of my splats! 20:23:28 :) 20:23:52 PleasingFungus: interesting question 20:24:01 I imagine it as a divine effect 20:24:03 in which case 20:24:04 it should not 20:24:06 ahh 20:24:33 I was considering it from the perspective of something being actively channeled, as opposed to an already-cast effect - which would also argue against 20:24:44 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1409-ge843015: Trivialize a few MBs 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e843015c8317 20:24:57 it's akin to 20:24:57 hm 20:25:02 angelic halos, I guess 20:25:04 in that respect 20:25:17 though that isn't directly divine 20:25:47 I guess another analogue would be Recite - invocation that applies a status to nearby creatures 20:26:32 also, to be fair, that data structure didn't exist at the time I wrote Aura of Brilliance :) 20:26:49 (I just sat on it for a while) 20:26:50 yeah, I figured :) 20:27:02 but I noticed it while I was poking at 20:27:06 %git :/sputter 20:27:06 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1409-g4aa0700: New monster: Kobold Cultist WIP 10(9 hours ago, 7 files, 35+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4aa070036ed3 20:27:10 hm 20:27:21 not that 20:27:27 %git 69e564c4431455010c353c9f28477efcc67e59a7 20:27:27 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1408-g69e564c: Expose the sputtercasting mechanic 10(9 hours ago, 5 files, 37+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/69e564c44314 20:28:33 maybe we should turn these guys into non-vault enemies sometime 20:28:38 @??mad acolyte of lugonu 20:28:39 mad acolyte of Lugonu (09p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 55-74 | AC/EV: 3/13 | Dam: 6 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, unholy, 07vault | Res: 06magic(60) | Vul: 08holy, 11silver | XP: 1296 | Sp: smiting (7-17) [11!AM], blink other [11!AM], invisibility [11!AM], malign gateway [11!AM], blink [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:28:40 <.< 20:28:41 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:54 (need a better name though) 20:29:00 do they properly worship lugonu right now? 20:29:04 yes 20:29:06 nice 20:30:07 could call them 20:30:08 abyssal knights 20:30:10 <.< >.> 20:30:54 !banish Grunt 20:30:54 PleasingFungus casts a spell. Grunt is cast into the Abyss! 20:33:00 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:36:23 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/a-brief-history-of-buffness put up my ridiculously long buff post 20:40:08 -!- Nosrepemos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:43:20 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1410-gdd1e41a: Don't apply corrosion after shield blocks 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dd1e41a8eb5a 20:44:04 10292 is such a weird bug 20:44:19 10290 too, I guess 20:48:34 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:50:35 PleasingFungus: you missed the chance to call it "nerf buffs" 20:50:55 interestingly, it occurs to me now that this means the same thing as "buff nerfs" 20:51:40 deep 20:52:04 -!- Athaboros has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:52:09 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:18 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53:27 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 20:55:02 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:55:16 !tell marvinpa wrt 10264 - iron dragons aren't actually made of iron, but iron giants apparently are, judging by the rust. makes it a little different? 20:55:17 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 20:56:03 -!- MBlaureNs__ is now known as MBlaureNs 20:59:15 -!- mumra has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:22 PleasingFungus: nice blog post 21:07:55 ty! 21:07:57 :) 21:10:31 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:10:33 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:52 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:25 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: Always try to be modest, and be proud about it!] 21:25:43 PleasingFungus: blog post suggestion, drop 'desperate' which might come across as a bit dismissive in an otherwise convincing argument 21:25:44 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:48 chequers: reasonable. done. 21:26:59 I'd also expand the contracted words like "gonna" and "removal’s" 21:28:30 !lg . hep 21:28:31 8. chequers the Impregnable (L16 MiFi of Hepliaklqana), blasted by a lich (iron shot) on Abyss:1 on 2016-02-21 21:21:40, with 111061 points after 27145 turns and 0:57:33. 21:28:37 !lm . hep 21:28:38 131. [2016-02-25 00:17:50] chequers the Impregnable (L25 MiGl of Hepliaklqana) killed Donald on turn 42948. (Elf:1) 21:28:50 !hs * hep 21:28:51 111. Lightli the Executioner (L27 HOGl of Hepliaklqana), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2016-02-18 10:16:56, with 2390588 points after 68546 turns and 2:18:00. 21:28:53 dang 21:29:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:29:10 !won * hep 21:29:11 * (hep) has won 5 times in 111 games (4.50%): 2xHOGl 1xDrMo 1xVSAs 1xVpMo 21:30:45 one alternative way to do permabuffs is if your failure is below a % threshold it stays on 21:32:36 e.g. 10% failure would make sense 21:34:07 zxc: that in no way fixes the whole "something for nothing" aspect 21:34:07 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:34:10 !messages 21:34:11 (1/1) chequers said (2h 55m 9s ago): could we get a mini status icon for magical armour, which hep romanticise applies to your ally? I think it's used in another few cases as well 21:34:27 chequers: er, i guess 21:34:40 i mean making the icon is super easy, i can do that 21:34:53 ontoclasm: in that case, what if it requires permanent MP to sustain as well as a sufficient failure rate? 21:35:11 I personally don't mind the removal as I don't uses these sorts of buffs much 21:35:23 zxc: losing 2 permanent mp when you are a berserker doesn't matter at all 21:35:49 trog can simply disallow such buffs 21:36:04 s/berserker/melee-guy/ 21:36:32 anyway imo the biggest argument against buffs is that they're dull as hell in general 21:36:39 whoopdedoo, +4 ac 21:37:08 debuffs are much cooler 21:37:16 (though still kinda blah sometimes) 21:37:26 you could still adjust it by changing the level of the spells 21:37:33 make them more difficult etc 21:38:01 anyway I do like just simply removinig many of them 21:39:10 we've started! 21:39:10 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:39:17 !messages 21:39:18 (1/1) WebFungus said (2h 24m 56s ago): 423115569a58732a78bb -> !crashlog namelastname112 6 ? 21:39:24 !crashlog namelastname112 6 21:39:26 -!- Piginabag has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:39:34 !crashlog namelastname112 6 21:39:34 6. namelastname112, XL20 DrCj, T:64636 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/namelastname112/crash-namelastname112-20160224-234049.txt 21:39:48 PleasingFungus: nah, that's been around forever 21:40:00 since the ranged rewrite i think 21:40:28 ahh 21:40:28 when a penetrating bolt hits a ball lightning (or spore or inner flamed thing or what have you) and kills the shooter 21:40:36 nice... 21:43:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1411-gba84f3e: Don't waste iron giants' time with throws (10264) 10(50 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ba84f3e14bc8 21:47:11 thanks 21:47:17 * wheals removes an item from his todo list 21:48:23 (: 21:48:33 not feeling momentum on other projects so was looking through recent mantis 21:49:31 #10265 could be worth checking out 21:49:52 since i guess you know a little of that stuff from when you were working on HP 21:49:55 hm 21:50:02 good excuse to rewrite that entire system 21:50:05 I'll do that 21:50:23 as if an excuse is ever needed 21:51:12 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:51:19 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:54:08 -!- epen has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:59:39 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:54 hrm 22:07:23 weird fact: if you added see invis to a drac class right now, it wouldn't work 22:08:14 not surprising 22:08:26 the mishmash that gets ported over from classes to the monster is a weird as-needed mix 22:09:11 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:38 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1504-g1f0c659: Redo Stomp again 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1f0c65962170 22:09:38 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1505-g8c513df: Don't do Ukayaw conduct stuff unless you worship Ukayaw. 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 9+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8c513df22a51 22:10:15 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:10:16 hrm 22:12:09 03Lasty02 07[ukayaw] * 0.18-a0-1288-g7c28f49: Redo Stomp again 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c28f4996c83 22:12:09 03Lasty02 07[ukayaw] * 0.18-a0-1289-g6111d6f: Don't do Ukayaw conduct stuff unless you worship Ukayaw. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6111d6f82e6c 22:12:10 -!- superbutt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:12:24 holy crap. this evocable trove gave me FOUR /haste and a /hw 22:12:54 haha 22:13:32 i think better to give more scrolls than so many wands 22:13:38 was DrKe looking at this recently? 22:16:17 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 22:18:24 this is weird. monsters get MR from ego armour, but not artefacts 22:18:34 they specifically disable checking for artefact +mr 22:21:01 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 22:22:07 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 22:22:23 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:22:47 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:26:34 hm 22:26:42 I wonder if we actually still have any monsters that have a negative mr specified in mon-data 22:27:38 Experimental (combo_god) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1505-g8c513df 22:27:45 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:07 I'm reasonably sure we don't 22:30:16 * Grunt goes to find out 22:30:45 ah, we actually do 22:30:48 however 22:30:51 I remember there was something 22:30:52 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:31:04 however? 22:31:08 I'm betting most or all of these numbers get overwritten 22:31:09 <|amethyst> all things with variable hit dice 22:31:14 ahh 22:31:16 hrm 22:31:49 <|amethyst> mbeast, pghost, pillusion, pshadow, derived undead, panlord, helllord 22:31:56 mutant beast, player ghosts, skeletons/zombies/simulacra, player illusion, player shadow, 22:32:02 curse you for completing the list before me :( 22:32:09 hellllord 22:32:13 helllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllord 22:32:22 <|amethyst> Grunt: your fault for spelling out entire words :) 22:32:24 hellllyod 22:32:56 huh, I really added one 22:32:58 why did I do that 22:33:00 weird 22:33:57 |amethyst: my mistake was not starting to type it out as soon as I knew there was at least one 22:34:00 <.< 22:36:31 helllords don't exist anyway 22:39:28 ??hep wrath 22:39:28 I don't have a page labeled hep_wrath in my learndb. 22:39:49 ??hep[wrath 22:39:49 I don't have a page labeled hep[wrath in my learndb. 22:39:52 ??hep 22:39:52 hepliaklqana[1/4]: Experimental God of ancestral memory, playable on cbro. Grants a powerful, customizable permanent {ancestor} at ** piety, which will be automatically revived if slain (after a few dozen turns). Likes exploration, hates felids. 0*: ally & recall, 2*: {Remember Life}, 3*: {Romanticize}, 5*: {Transference}, 6*: {Remember Death} 22:39:58 ??hepliaklqana[wrath 22:39:58 I don't have a page labeled hepliaklqana[wrath in my learndb. 22:40:00 huh 22:40:25 does anyone here understand the monster_info marshalling/unmarshalling code? 22:40:28 it seems to be randomly ordered 22:40:39 like, the marshalling & unmarshalling order don't seem to be the same 22:40:42 which is very strange to me 22:42:32 marshalling goes: holi.flags, mintel, hd, ac, ev, base ev... unmarshalling goes hd, ac, ev, base ev, holi.flags, mintel 22:42:53 surely that can't be right? 22:44:01 crawlcode.txt 22:44:07 i'm afraid that unmarshallMonsterInfo is making my eyes bleed so i can't help 22:44:24 #if TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34 22:44:36 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 22:48:27 well, fuck. 22:48:29 hm. 22:49:22 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:54:16 i'm just gonna 22:54:19 not marshall anything 22:54:35 -!- Franz__ has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:56:06 yep 22:56:09 this is definitely fucked 22:57:11 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:57:23 oh dear 22:57:54 -!- oxeimon has quit [Client Quit] 22:58:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1412-g9e95634: Rewrite mon_info sinv & mr code (10265) 10(47 minutes ago, 11 files, 137+ 113-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e9563489452 22:58:29 luckily it doesn't matter at all 23:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:01 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1413-g4eaa9ac: Add a TODO for monster::res_magic 10(38 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4eaa9acae9e7 23:01:07 i guess monster_info::i_ghost::can_sinv can go now too 23:01:13 probably the best place for a bug report is in a comment 23:01:21 can't think of any downside to that approach 23:04:51 <|amethyst> looks like the misordering started sometime between 0.15 and 0.16 23:05:26 was it my commit? some of that code is mine 23:05:31 <|amethyst> 0.16 has marshall: quote -> holi -> mintel -> ac -> ev -> base_ev -> mresists unmarshall: quote -> ac -> ev -> base_ev -> holi -> mintel -> mresists 23:05:43 nice 23:06:40 <|amethyst> yeah, looks like it 23:06:46 <|amethyst> %git f3a3465 23:06:46 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-995-gf3a3465: Save compat for AC/EV monster info 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 2 files, 18+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f3a34657abcb 23:07:02 whooops 23:07:21 the nice thing is that you can actually just reorder these without another save compat tag, since they're already busted 23:07:26 <|amethyst> heh 23:07:48 and also, since it doesn't matter at all 23:08:08 <|amethyst> yeah, nice to know that monster_info is so completely unimportant :) 23:08:31 <|amethyst> I guess no one looks at xv on a monster after the first turn 23:08:35 welllll 23:08:41 <|amethyst> well 23:08:45 it's only relevant for monsters that aren't in sight 23:08:48 and only after you save and load 23:08:51 afaik? 23:09:07 <|amethyst> oh, right, ones in sight are recomputed each time they're used 23:09:40 <|amethyst> can you even xv remembered things not in sight? 23:09:48 you can these days! 23:09:55 I enabled it a while back 23:09:56 Xv 23:10:03 <|amethyst> oh 23:10:12 <|amethyst> still can't with xv, right? 23:10:19 ya 23:10:19 <|amethyst> I didn't even know Xv existed :) 23:10:23 like I said 23:10:26 it's relatively new 23:10:38 %git 85d6e2c4155dc3538e9c73b51473a8f9dcb2c478 23:10:38 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-464-g85d6e2c: Allow Xv-ing 10(11 months ago, 4 files, 14+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/85d6e2c4155d 23:13:12 <|amethyst> hm, if it were't for Xv, would we even have to save anything about monster_infos other than monster type and maybe base type? 23:13:25 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:13:46 probably some inventory info 23:13:47 for weapons 23:14:26 <|amethyst> oh, right, tiles 23:14:41 probably also relevant to console 23:14:49 with that one toggle button 23:14:54 <|amethyst> hm 23:15:07 <|amethyst> I never paid attention to whether that affects things out of LOS 23:15:17 <|amethyst> FR: Fog Of War option 23:21:53 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 23:21:58 -!- timvisher has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:24:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 23:26:29 -!- eb has quit [] 23:28:56 -!- giann has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:29:11 are you sure you can't with just xv? 23:30:01 doesn't really matter 23:30:23 -!- giann has joined ##crawl-dev 23:30:30 -!- razed has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:30:34 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:33:53 mmmmnh, i should finish the libtcod tutorial 23:33:58 and then maybe make a thing??? 23:34:10 <|amethyst> ah, you can with xv 23:37:00 <|amethyst> and I can confirm that those fields are screwed up when you save, reload, and look at an out-of-LOS monster with xv 23:37:16 <|amethyst> this juggernaut claims to have 23:37:16 <|amethyst> AC ........ 23:37:17 <|amethyst> EV ++++.. 23:37:17 <|amethyst> MR +++.. 23:37:24 <|amethyst> and this vampire 23:37:27 <|amethyst> AC ........ 23:37:27 <|amethyst> EV +..... 23:37:27 <|amethyst> MR +.... 23:38:02 fr: juggernauts with EV 23:38:09 <|amethyst> and the success rate for the vampire's confuse is wrong 23:38:34 <|amethyst> actually seeing the monsters fixes it 23:38:47 <|amethyst> I guess I can commit the fix 23:39:14 <|amethyst> as PF pointed out it doesn't need a tag, since everything is screwed up already, and it's not *that* important 23:39:38 <|amethyst> after the second save and restore, the vampire is 23:39:41 <|amethyst> AC ++...... 23:39:41 <|amethyst> EV ++++++ 23:39:41 <|amethyst> MR +.... 23:40:52 wow 23:40:59 how long has this been the case for, I wonder 23:41:11 <|amethyst> %git f3a3465 23:41:11 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-995-gf3a3465: Save compat for AC/EV monster info 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 2 files, 18+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f3a34657abcb 23:41:41 !blame3 PleasingFungus 23:41:41 PleeeeeaaaaasiiiiingFuuuuunguuuuus 23:43:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:45 <|amethyst> I wonder if some macromancy could make the #if TAG== if(blah) #endif body; #if TAG== else oldbody; #endif thing more readable 23:45:14 <|amethyst> IF_NEWENOUGH(TAG_MINOR_BLAH) { body } ELSE_TOO_OLD { oldbody; } 23:45:55 <|amethyst> defined so that currently it expands to if (th.getMinorVersion() >= TAG_MINOR_BLAH) { body } else { oldbody } 23:46:33 clearly the time to figure that out 23:46:37 is when TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 35 23:46:38 :) 23:46:39 <|amethyst> but when the major version is bumped just if (1) { body } if(0) { oldbody } 23:48:26 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:50 is macromancy practiced by macromancers? 23:48:59 and, if so, does that make me the ultimate practicioner...? 23:49:21 I haven't used macros in years 23:49:49 "relatively new" *posts commit from 11 months ago* 23:50:16 <|amethyst> I don't know about PF, but for me "relatively new" means "0.10 and up" :) 23:50:34 <|amethyst> once you join the devteam, your perception of time changes 23:51:00 <|amethyst> as you see the entire past and history of the codebase crystallized into a single structure 23:51:28 <|amethyst> which makes no more sense than before, but hey, what do you expect? miracles? 23:52:44 <|amethyst> oh, re the swapped tags 23:52:48 <|amethyst> the permutation is order 3 23:53:09 <|amethyst> so if things are screwed up, save and restore once or twice and that particular monster will be fixed 23:53:49 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:53:50 The build was fixed. (ukayaw - 6111d6f #4879 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111656277 23:53:50 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:54:48 <|amethyst> err 23:54:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:55:06 -!- Jamo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:55:13 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:55:13 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think your XXX: this function does not actually work commit will make it actually break 23:55:18 lol 23:55:27 accurate documentation 23:55:57 er 23:56:20 what did I do 23:56:25 <|amethyst> oh, never mind 23:56:27 <|amethyst> I misread 23:56:31 ah 23:56:37 what was your thought? 23:57:11 <|amethyst> I saw mi.mr = and just assumed there would be an unmarshall on the RHS 23:57:19 <|amethyst> with no matching marshall 23:57:19 <|amethyst> though 23:57:26 <|amethyst> if they can be computed purely from the type and base type 23:57:33 <|amethyst> why cache them in the mi at all? 23:59:06 they can't 23:59:08 that's an approximation