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(rimewurm - 60159fc #4854 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111136424 01:09:28 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:10:53 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:10:56 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:12:47 is there a list of what evokables device surge works with 01:12:58 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1396-g8753ca6 (34) 01:16:38 -!- MBlaureNs__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22:22 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:23:29 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:26:12 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:26:55 -!- giann has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:27:26 @??troll 01:28:14 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:28:25 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 01:29:19 i feel ant monsters should have stasis 01:30:19 I do not. 01:30:27 -!- rossi has quit [Client Quit] 01:30:31 Lightli: everything that evo skill works with, i would think 01:30:34 nope 01:30:41 some things can't be surged because of messy code basically 01:30:49 not sure what the exceptions are 01:31:08 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:31:09 exceptions are nonlocal exits from a function 01:31:39 -!- lightflight has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:32:11 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 01:34:00 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:35:56 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:14 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:40:15 -!- cliffs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:40:21 !banish amalloy 01:40:22 PleasingFungus casts a spell. amalloy is cast into the Abyss! 01:40:52 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1397-g26d626b: Update some mon-data comments 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26d626b04201 01:50:43 what happened to @?? 01:50:46 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 01:51:16 @??elf 01:51:24 rip gretell 01:52:50 slain 01:52:52 elf (04e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 29-44 | AC/EV: 3/15 | Dam: 10 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 348 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:52:52 %??elf 01:52:56 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e 01:52:56 %??-version 01:52:58 rip 01:53:01 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 01:55:05 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:20 Lasty_: it occurs to me that U is like a good implementation of LO heat 02:03:13 i prefer to cook on HI 02:06:17 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:06:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:17:36 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:19:04 -!- Idolo has quit [] 02:23:30 -!- Galewind has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:25:36 x - the +2 hat of Makhleb's Delight (worn) {Slay+5} 02:28:12 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 02:30:26 aproppriately names. 02:30:37 s/names/named 02:31:44 -!- Patashu_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:18 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:33:03 -!- edsrzf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:37:09 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:12 does anyone know the command to interrupt resting when naga recovers breath? 02:37:17 rcfile option, rather 02:37:42 thought it was runrest_stop_message but that seems ineffective 02:38:16 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:38:54 -!- lightflight has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:40:00 -!- thrig has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:11 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:44:37 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:48:17 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:50:10 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:50:49 that's not the default? 02:51:12 WalkerBoh: that's the default 02:51:24 so you need to un-enable whatever rc option is making it not happen 02:51:45 uh 02:51:49 hm 02:52:06 probably in runrest_ignore 02:52:51 good call, thanks 02:53:08 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53:35 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:53:36 The build has errored. 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There is a higher amount of gold dropped per corpse to make the total" 03:20:57 I kinda liked the fact that no corpses dropped at all 03:20:58 made me not have to consider using my permafood economically at all 03:20:58 just eat it right away when hugry etc 03:20:58 [02:22:47] I just noticed that the description of mutation resistance 3 says "You are almost entirely resistant to further mutation and mutation removal" but lookig at the code, level 3 gives complete immunity? 03:21:00 technically divine intervention can still mess with it, no? 03:22:29 yeah, but i don't think that was what he was referring to w/r/t complete immunity 03:22:42 i think mutagenic clouds can actually override rmut 3 too 03:24:02 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1397-g26d626b (34) 03:24:33 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:29:29 -!- koboldina_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:32:59 -!- DaneiSIX has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:35:52 -!- bgiannan2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38:48 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 03:43:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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13:22:23 unless |amethyst changed something, chei copies the compiled binaries from CDO 13:22:34 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22:38 i don't know whether it's just gretell that's down or the whole website 13:24:31 i always used @?? but used to (at least up to maybe a month ago) that @?? gave newer results than %?? 13:24:42 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 13:24:47 -!- sooheon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:24:47 and then i remember hearing something in here about forcing an update on chei and it was fine at that point 13:25:19 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:25:38 er... i always used @?? and often noticed * 13:26:48 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:27 hrm. basically everything in pushing zig-stacking with requested edits is addressed, though there's still a rather soft cap on greater mummies in tomb sets 13:27:40 ...some verbs are probably confused in that sentence. 13:27:42 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:30:11 -!- molotove has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:30:26 zig^27:27 gets a 18.26% chance for greater mummies and zig^300:27 41% but zig^300 also can have 32.73% orbs of fire or 21.86% titans and electric golems both so 13:32:11 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:33:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:42:03 03regret-index02 07* 0.18-a0-1398-g62fe6c3: Zig Stacking: floor-filling slowed, sets scale contents up 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 269+ 121-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62fe6c3e8456 13:45:12 * wheals deletes the zig-stacking branch 13:45:16 ".........................." 13:45:26 -!- regret-index has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:46:04 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:46:12 it's very important to note when branches get deleted! 13:46:25 i'm making sacrifices on behalf of Future Generations 13:46:30 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:46:30 WebFungus: suspicious timing 13:46:32 wheals: sa thread notes that *tele could let you scum a lab in some sense 13:46:41 not really tho I guess 13:46:43 what's up? 13:47:00 -!- regret-index has joined ##crawl-dev 13:47:15 bleh, irssi settings 13:47:19 whoa, a conclave 13:47:19 "イッツ、ルナティックターイム!狂気の世界へようこそ!" 13:47:23 -!- regret-index has quit [Client Quit] 13:47:28 haha what 13:47:39 okay then! 13:48:10 jefus: 13:48:13 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.17-a0-1923-gc35365e 13:48:13 %??-version 13:48:44 ahh 13:49:34 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:50:28 idk what's wrong with gretell 13:50:30 indigestion maybe 13:50:34 bots have been having a rough time lately 13:51:25 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:52:03 @??rat 13:52:03 rat (07r) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-3 | AC/EV: 1/10 | Dam: 3 | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 13:52:05 <3 13:52:12 @??-version 13:52:12 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.18-a0-1391-gbff3df0 13:52:14 %git 13:52:14 07regret-index02 * 0.18-a0-1398-g62fe6c3: Zig Stacking: floor-filling slowed, sets scale contents up 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 269+ 121-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62fe6c3e8456 13:52:19 @??dart slug 13:52:19 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 1 | HP: 8-12 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 4 | Sp: slug dart (3d5) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 13:52:20 @??dart slug 13:52:20 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 1 | HP: 8-12 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 4 | Sp: slug dart (3d5) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 13:52:21 haha 13:52:24 @??dart slug hd:30 13:52:24 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 30 | HP: 249-345 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 20435 | Sp: slug dart (3d6) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 13:52:34 hm 13:52:36 hmm. 13:52:46 * wheals launches a dart at WebFungus 13:52:52 yay Gretell 13:53:06 I think there may be something wrong with ZAP_SLUG_DART. 13:53:17 !lg * killer="dart slug" s=xl 13:53:18 24 games for * (killer='dart slug'): 12x 1, 10x 2, 3, 6 13:53:22 !!! 13:53:26 !lg * killer="dart slug" xl=6 -tv 13:53:27 1. Brendan5E, XL6 HOFi, T:2530 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 13:53:36 WebFungus, people have been alarmed by the 3d5 13:53:38 hehe 13:53:43 it's supposed to be 3d4 13:53:48 I need to poke at it 13:54:02 nice 13:54:09 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 1 | HP: 8-12 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 4 | Sp: slug dart (3d5) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 13:54:09 <|amethyst> %?? dart slug 13:54:15 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.18-a0-1391-gbff3df0 13:54:15 %??-version 13:54:18 excellent 13:54:22 <|amethyst> just copied the binary again 13:54:23 unknown monster: "howler monkey" 13:54:23 %??howler monkey 13:54:26 ah cool 13:54:26 nop 13:54:31 thanks 13:54:59 <|amethyst> %@??howler monkey 13:55:01 <|amethyst> @??howler monkey 13:55:01 unknown monster: "howler monkey" 13:55:12 dang, max roll 13:55:15 he was fucked anyway 13:55:17 but good sluggin 13:55:24 !lg * killer="dart slug" xl=6 x=dam 13:55:24 1. [dam=3] Brendan5E the Skirmisher (L6 HOFi), blasted by a dart slug (slug dart) on D:3 on 2016-02-23 17:04:02, with 242 points after 2530 turns and 0:11:26. 13:55:27 oh 13:55:28 nvm 13:55:28 lol 13:55:41 !lg * killer="howler monkey" 13:55:42 No games for * (killer='howler monkey'). 13:55:43 wait, what 13:55:46 it's supposed to be 2d4 13:55:55 !lg * killer=dart_slug max=dam 13:55:55 24. Snack the Magician (L1 DETm), blasted by a dart slug (slug dart) on D:1 on 2016-02-22 09:20:16, with 2 points after 68 turns and 0:00:19. 13:55:55 where is 3d5 coming form 13:55:55 !lg * killer=dart_slug max=dam x=dam 13:55:56 24. [dam=8] Snack the Magician (L1 DETm), blasted by a dart slug (slug dart) on D:1 on 2016-02-22 09:20:16, with 2 points after 68 turns and 0:00:19. 13:55:59 what the hell 13:56:04 <|amethyst> @?? orc wizard 13:56:04 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-18 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 39 | Sp: magic dart (3d5), slow (3d5), haste (3d5), blink / throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d5), confuse (3d5) / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste (3d5), throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d5), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:56:09 yeah looks like it's 2d4 in play 13:56:12 <|amethyst> @??titan 13:56:12 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 96-124 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2589 | Sp: b.lightning (3d6), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 13:56:22 <|amethyst> confuse (3d5) 13:56:24 I think I broke monster :( 13:56:25 !blame3 monster 13:56:26 mooooonsteeeeer 13:56:49 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 96-124 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2589 | Sp: b.lightning (3d6), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 13:56:49 <|amethyst> %0.16?titan 13:56:56 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-18 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 39 | Sp: magic dart (3d5), slow (3d5), haste (3d5), blink / throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d5), confuse (3d5) / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste (3d5), throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d5), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:56:56 <|amethyst> %0.16?orc wizard 13:56:58 uh 13:57:01 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.18-a0-1391-gbff3df0 13:57:01 %0.16?-version 13:57:03 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.18-a0-1391-gbff3df0 13:57:03 %0.16?-version 13:57:04 haha 13:57:04 <|amethyst> oh 13:57:08 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 37 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d4) / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d4), 04esc:invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 13:57:08 <|amethyst> %0.15?orc wizard 13:57:16 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 13:57:19 Invalid spell slot format: 'bolt of inaccuracy' in 'bolt_of_inaccuracy' 13:57:19 %??test spawner spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy 13:57:20 <|amethyst> I guess 0.15 is the last version chei has 13:57:22 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.15-b1-44-gb588af2 13:57:22 %0.15?-version 13:57:30 test spawner (00X) | Spd: 14 (swim: 60%; 07stationary) | HD: 1000 | HP: 10000 | AC/EV: 127/127 | 11non-living, amphibious, spellcaster, regen, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 07acid, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | XP: 1 | Sp: b.inaccuracy (3d6) | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 13:57:30 %??test spawner spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy.200.wizard 13:57:33 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-18 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 39 | Sp: magic dart (3d5), slow (3d5), haste (3d5), blink / throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d5), confuse (3d5) / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste (3d5), throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d5), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:57:33 %??orc wizard 13:57:34 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:57:36 I thought we had 0.14 13:57:40 @0.16?test spawner spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy.200.wizard 13:57:43 @??orc wizard 13:57:43 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-18 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 39 | Sp: magic dart (3d5), slow (3d5), haste (3d5), blink / throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d5), confuse (3d5) / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste (3d5), throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d5), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:57:47 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.14.1 13:57:47 %0.14?-version 13:57:51 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.13-b1-1-g298bc45 13:57:51 %0.13?-version 13:57:56 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.12.3 13:57:56 %0.12?-version 13:57:57 yes, the last version 13:58:00 oh 13:58:01 I see 13:58:08 I thought you meant the other last 13:58:24 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58:37 <|amethyst> "the other last", also known as "first" 13:59:02 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:05 depends which direction you're going! 13:59:24 surely earlier versions would be closer to 'first', no? 13:59:26 :) 14:00:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:00:18 where does monster live these days, I forget 14:00:33 <|amethyst> util/monster/ 14:00:42 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:01:28 <|amethyst> 0.15 is the latest non-trunk version of monster Cheibriados has 14:01:31 <|amethyst> and 0.9 the earliest 14:01:36 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.9.2 14:01:36 <|amethyst> %0.9?-version 14:01:39 Could not execute monster-0.8: No such file or directory 14:01:39 <|amethyst> %0.8?-version 14:01:49 <|amethyst> (and I just fixed the broken 0.16 link) 14:01:53 Could not execute monster-0.16: No such file or directory 14:01:53 <|amethyst> %0.16?-version 14:01:55 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.18-a0-1391-gbff3df0 14:01:55 <|amethyst> %0.18?-version 14:02:03 hey, it's not trunk anymore! 14:02:07 <|amethyst> I guess I should say 14:02:22 <|amethyst> I just fully broke the partially broken 0.16 link 14:02:50 :) 14:03:36 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1398-g62fe6c3 14:03:46 @??titan 14:03:46 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 96-124 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2589 | Sp: b.lightning (3d6), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 14:03:53 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 87-130 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(186), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 2589 | Sp: b.lightning (3d24), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 14:03:53 %0.15?titan 14:04:00 h r m 14:04:14 it's gotta be my mon-cast changes, right? 14:04:28 <|amethyst> I would imagine, yes 14:05:00 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05:02 %git 6b2096abfcc3a54db305ddfcade5a029cf5667f2 14:05:02 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1373-g6b2096a: Move most monster conjurations into zap-data 10(3 days ago, 11 files, 240+ 267-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b2096abfcc3 14:05:24 !source zappy 14:05:24 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc#l460 14:05:36 ^ classic function name, btw 14:05:45 feels linley-esque 14:05:55 <|amethyst> monster is using mons_spell_beam 14:06:30 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:06:41 sure, which currently calls zappy (as of this change) 14:07:20 Could not execute monster-0.16: No such file or directory 14:07:20 %0.16?rat 14:07:28 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 89-134 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(186), 10elec++, 12drown | XP: 2438 | Sp: b.inaccuracy (12d33) / b.inaccuracy (12d34) | Sz: Giant | Int: high. 14:07:28 %0.15?titan spells:bolt_of_inaccuracy 14:07:51 ah ha 14:07:57 that's a bug, actually 14:08:06 er 14:08:13 nvm 14:08:16 jumped the gun 14:08:18 which is? 14:08:52 <|amethyst> oh 14:09:02 <|amethyst> is this backwards? 14:09:03 <|amethyst> if (zinfo->player_power_cap > 0 && is_monster) 14:09:03 <|amethyst> power = min(zinfo->player_power_cap, power); 14:09:37 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:10:56 <|amethyst> (still doesn't explain confuse showing damage) 14:11:30 -!- Torax__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:11:43 er 14:11:44 fuck 14:11:54 that is in fact backwards 14:12:23 are you fixing it or should I use the powerful github gui editing tools 14:12:35 <|amethyst> I can 14:14:02 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:14:07 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1399-gfc9c12e: Apply player zap power caps to players, not monsters. 10(61 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fc9c12e83448 14:14:22 <|amethyst> have to go for a bit 14:17:37 hf 14:17:38 :) 14:20:11 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:22 WebFungus: skimmed through that -- are they currently doing 3d5? 14:20:30 no 14:20:33 monster bug 14:20:37 ah 14:20:39 good 14:20:56 !lg * killer="dart slug" s=dam 14:20:57 25 games for * (killer='dart slug'): 7x 4, 6x 3, 4x 6, 3x 2, 2x 8, 2x 7, 5 14:21:04 huh, no 1-damage kills 14:21:05 pity 14:21:27 !lg * current trunk lvl=1 s=killer 14:21:31 oops 14:21:33 61529 games for * (current trunk lvl=1): 15520x, 6519x a hobgoblin, 5390x a jackal, 5254x a kobold, 3425x a gnoll, 2848x a giant gecko, 2599x a goblin, 1125x an adder, 1072x an ooze, 1059x a bat, 828x a rat, 565x a giant cockroach, 517x an orc warrior, 474x a giant newt, 456x a worm, 435x a mummy, 422x a small abomination, 307x a minotaur, 292x a wretched star, 285x a thrashing horror, 278x a spin... 14:21:42 wrong query 14:22:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:22:10 !lg * current trunk d:1 vlong>=0.18-a0-1389 s=killer 14:22:14 512 games for * (current trunk d:1 vlong>=0.18-a0-1389): 149x, 66x a hobgoblin, 56x a kobold, 52x a jackal, 30x a goblin, 28x a giant gecko, 27x a gnoll, 22x a dart slug, 16x an adder, 14x an ooze, 12x a rat, 10x a bat, 7x a giant cockroach, 4x a ball python, 3x a giant newt, a bat zombie, Ijyb, an ufetubus, a stone giant, a large abomination, an adder zombie, an ettin, a scorpion, a storm dragon ... 14:22:41 hobgoblin supremacy 14:22:50 !lg * current trunk s=ikiller 14:22:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:22:55 214330 games for * (current trunk): 31379x, 12015x a gnoll, 10159x an adder, 8883x an orc priest, 7587x a hobgoblin, 6508x a kobold, 6288x a jackal, 6107x an ogre, 5645x an orc wizard, 4840x an orc warrior, 4182x an orc, 4177x Sigmund, 4109x a worm, 3476x a goblin, 3476x a giant gecko, 3455x Natasha, 3354x a centaur, 2590x Grinder, 2332x Robin, 2171x a worker ant, 2097x a killer bee, 1661x Crazy Y... 14:23:13 dart slug, nestled nicely between gnoll and adder 14:23:14 perfect 14:23:16 !killratio robin * current trunk 14:23:21 robin wins 10.98% of battles against * (current trunk). 14:23:27 way down from peak 14:23:28 @?? dart slug 14:23:28 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 1 | HP: 8-12 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 4 | Sp: slug dart (3d5) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: animal. 14:23:31 !killratio robin * current !trunk 14:23:34 what was peak? 14:23:35 robin wins 11.57% of battles against * (current !trunk). 14:23:39 18% iirc 14:23:43 dang, son 14:23:52 people figured out how to handle her 14:24:09 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:24:41 i'm not sure what to do with my rime wurms 14:24:53 you keep spelling them wrong 14:24:56 ? 14:25:00 o 14:25:01 haha 14:25:17 i shan't rhyme with you. 14:25:45 One of the major disappointments of this week 14:26:42 i think the basic concept of 'early-mid flash freeze monster' is reasonable, especially if I get around to merging Frozen and -swift 14:27:26 but i've sort of gotten mentally stuck on 'lindwurm reskin' and 'in lair', which is awkward. nothing wrong with a good reskin if it's got a good gimmick, but having the reskin and the original in the same place... 14:27:53 now about not keeping the original 14:27:56 *how about 14:27:58 ! 14:28:04 ??rules 14:28:04 rules[1/7]: Remove 5 monsters for every monster you add. 14:28:15 can't believe all these menagerie nerfs... 14:28:35 given that lindwurms are already "fire drakes but stronger, or weaker, i forget which" 14:28:45 stronger 14:28:51 also you forgot hell hounds 14:29:02 which are much closer to fire drakes 14:29:08 iirc the difference is that one of them breathes more often 14:29:10 those aren't in lair except endings, though 14:29:15 * WebFungus shrugs. 14:29:32 lindwurms are barely in lair outside endings 14:29:32 you could have rime drakes 14:29:33 lindwurms aren't really a major lair feature either 14:29:40 he said a little too late 14:29:43 :) 14:29:45 caller buff! 14:29:49 although there is lindwurm island 14:29:58 my very favorite lair vault 14:29:59 ya, lindwurm island and a volcano entrance (not really lair-specific) 14:30:05 it's a cute vault 14:30:14 heh, it usually annoys the crap out of me 14:30:25 but if i'm using a guy that can actually deal with it it's fun 14:30:26 rime drakes could be reasonable - I was vaguely considering moving it to a drake, but wasn't thinking in terms of replacement 14:30:32 and it is at least an interesting vault 14:30:45 rime dogs 14:31:13 they breath frost and rap at you 14:31:14 WebFungus: I suppose making it another fast melee monster isn't that exciting. Giving it ranged would be a nice change, but I think it should probably be faster than the player. It might also be interesting to make its attacks be something on a timer so you have to dodge with movement, since Lair is a place where positioning is key 14:31:21 40 .des lines featuring fire drakes, 39 featuring lindwurms 14:31:24 you should ALWAYS think in terms of replacement 14:31:30 probably! 14:31:37 I was sort of on an adding-things kick 14:31:42 vanity, I suppose 14:31:48 besides vaults lindwurms are in Lair:4-10, menag, volcano scritters 14:31:51 Lasty_: what's "it" 14:31:57 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:32:03 wheals: are you sure about that depth 14:32:11 's what it says 14:32:15 huh 14:32:19 you're right 14:32:24 I remembered them being deeper 14:32:29 guess i'm crazy. 14:32:41 it's PEAK and a super-low weight anyway 14:32:43 yeah 14:33:00 hell hound (10h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 22-33 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 13 | natural, 05demonic, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 08blind, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 145 | Sp: fire breath (3d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 14:33:00 %??hell hound 14:33:02 fire drake (04k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire | XP: 342 | Sp: fire breath (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:33:02 %??fire drake 14:33:03 !lg * killer=lindwurm lair kmap="" s=lvl 14:33:05 lindwurm (09k) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 43-58 | AC/EV: 8/6 | Dam: 20, 10, 10 | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 647 | Sp: fire breath (3d18) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:33:05 %??lindwurm 14:33:10 403 games for * (killer=lindwurm lair kmap=): 99x 8, 92x 7, 52x 5, 52x 6, 39x 4, 20x 3, 20x 2, 13x 10, 11x 9, 5x 1 14:33:36 interesting progression 14:33:38 oh 14:33:40 !lg * killer=lindwurm lair kmap="" s=lvl recent 14:33:45 92 games for * (killer=lindwurm lair kmap= recent): 22x 8, 21x 7, 21x 5, 12x 6, 10x 4, 4x 3, 2x 1 14:33:50 good lair:10 deaths in the first query 14:34:38 !lg * killer=lindwurm lair kmap="" lvl=1 14:35:09 5. twogk the Covert (L12 OpAs of Dithmenos), blasted by a lindwurm (blast of flame) on Lair:1 on 2016-01-28 01:59:40, with 13571 points after 12478 turns and 0:53:29. 14:35:31 was wondering if it was a summoned thing. odd. 14:36:03 maybe it came from the previous level 14:36:19 * WebFungus shrugs 14:36:27 would want to look at the tv, probably 14:38:33 anyway, rime drake seems like the way to go. 14:38:44 lindwurm could be an OOD spawn maybe? 14:38:54 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:38:57 i mean, it's already set up to show up as an OOD spawn 14:39:01 depth 10 14:39:18 though PEAK instead of RISE means it'd be even rarer I guess 14:39:34 right, i mean that can explain the L1 death 14:41:14 oh, I misunderstood you 14:41:16 right. 14:41:38 !lg * killer="howler monkey" 14:41:39 No games for * (killer='howler monkey'). 14:41:43 probably not gonna get many direct kills 14:42:08 @??howler monkey 14:42:08 howler monkey (09h) | Spd: 12 | HD: 3 | HP: 16-21 | AC/EV: 1/11 | Dam: 3, 2 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 72 | Sp: warning cry [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 14:42:18 ?/windshield 14:42:19 Matching entries (1): insubstantial_wisp[1]: Insubstantial wisps are like a screaming monkey on your windshield, It's unlikely to kill you directly But all you can see is the monkey 14:42:22 how new is this thing? i have barely played recently 14:43:07 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:43:21 today 14:43:24 committed less than 24 hours ago? 14:43:56 hm, that xp seems higher than intended 14:44:08 will probably drag it down a bit more when I get home 14:44:38 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:51 was about 55 when I was testing... weird. 14:47:24 @??vault sentinel 14:47:24 vault sentinel (12p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 39-61 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 447 | Sp: warning cry [11!AM, 08breath], sentinel's mark | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:47:26 good 14:48:07 oh, hm. I should probably add a different message for it being cast under silence 14:48:30 or make it not castable under silence... 14:48:39 FR do the same thing for all monspeak entries 14:48:48 technically a monspell entry 14:49:22 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:50 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:13 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:14 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:58:21 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:02:58 -!- InsideTheVoid has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:21 i think there's a slot flag for that 15:08:29 !tell pleasingfungus "it" was the r(i|hy)me? wurm. 15:08:30 Lasty_: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 15:09:14 ??howler monkeyu 15:09:14 I don't have a page labeled howler_monkeyu in my learndb. 15:09:18 ??howler monkey 15:09:18 I don't have a page labeled howler_monkey in my learndb. 15:09:22 %git howler 15:09:22 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1391-g96e02ff: New monster: Howler Monkeys 10(2 days ago, 10 files, 55+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96e02ff17c58 15:10:22 %git :/Howler 15:10:22 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1394-g6f07132: New monster: Howler Monkeys 10(2 days ago, 15 files, 66+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f071321d5bb 15:11:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:41 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:12:01 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:10 wheals: yeah i know, I found it 15:12:39 !tell lasty http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-18-february-2016#comment-2386 nonspecific about character type but feedback is feedback 15:12:40 WebFungus: OK, I'll let lasty know. 15:12:41 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:26 WebFungus: thanks for passing that on 15:16:36 :) 15:16:43 Interesting that the poster found the piety drain in piety too high -- I just toned it down considerably 15:16:53 when is 'just' 15:17:23 Saturday 15:17:29 also I'm re-reading the comment and like half of it is BEWARE THE HUNGER COST 15:17:32 which is funny to me 15:17:34 haha, yeah 15:17:38 the hunger cost is 200, IIRC 15:17:44 which isn't all that bad 15:17:58 More or less on par with abilities on other gods, IIRC 15:18:04 that's a tenth of a ration, right 15:18:08 tho maybe I should double-check that 15:18:09 ??ration 15:18:09 food[1/3]: Goes in mouth/beak. Without carnivore or herbivore: Meat is 5000 nutrition. Bread is 4400 nutrition. Royal jelly is 2000 nutrition. A chunk is 1000 nutrition. Fruit is 850. Beef jerky/pizza is 1500. 15:18:15 1/20 15:18:19 less 15:18:19 nice 15:18:22 well 1/22 :p 15:19:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:22:32 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:24:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:25:55 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:27:19 Looks like the hunger costs are 100 (stomp), 200 (line pass), and 500 (grand finale). All Chei's abilities w/ hunger cost 200. Stack 5 is 250. Corrupt and Enter the Abyss are 500. 15:27:29 Divine Vigor is 600 (!) 15:27:55 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:28:47 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:28:48 The build passed. (master - 62fe6c3 #4856 : regret-index): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111282379 15:28:48 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:30:04 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:30:38 ??divine vigor 15:30:38 divine vigor ~ divine vigour[1/1]: Divine Vigour temporarily increases max HP and MP by 5% plus another 5% per 3 levels of invocations skill (increasing current HP and MP proportionally in the process). 15:30:49 ahh, right, ely 15:30:49 ely is the god of hunger costs, ofc 15:30:59 or was 15:31:37 true, tho generally not because the costs are high, but because you spam them 15:31:45 Divine Vigor apparently being an exception 15:32:07 I suppose making hunger such a factor for U makes it worse for spriggans 15:32:16 but to be fair, it's not the best option for spriggans anyway 15:32:38 I suppose I could introduce the first god power with hunger that scales with invo, but that's probably not a great idea 15:33:52 doesn't seem necessary 15:35:06 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:35:06 yeah, it doesn't 15:35:17 I think that's a solution looking for a problem 15:35:56 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:04 is there a specific justification for u's hunger costs, besides consistency? 15:37:15 WebFungus: 1) it feels on-flavor; you should be exerting yourself heavily, and devouring food; 2) it means that it's harder to keep the dance going indefinitely. 15:37:27 aight. 15:37:29 reasonable. 15:37:56 If someone committed a patch that removed it, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, but my intuition is that it feels right. 15:38:33 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:39:16 i need to go over h's ability costs at some point. they're pretty loose right now 15:40:48 WebFungus: I still need to try out H. I've been busy lately (partly with winning a fricking DECK finally), but I should be able to try it out soon. 15:40:51 Maybe tonight. 15:41:10 imo wait until I redo the swap ability <_< 15:41:13 hopefully doing that tonight 15:41:28 ok 15:41:31 oh, here's a question 15:41:32 ??romanticize 15:41:32 Romanticize[1/1]: Hepliaklqana 3* ability. Heal your ancestor, remove debilitating status effects, and provide a short-duration elemental resistance buff. Healing & buff duration scale with Invocations. 15:41:42 !lm * ukayaw noun~~ancestor 15:41:43 No milestones for * (ukayaw noun~~ancestor). 15:41:47 ??recall ancestor 15:41:48 I don't have a page labeled recall_ancestor in my learndb. 15:41:52 !lm * ukayaw verb~~ancestor 15:41:53 No milestones for * (ukayaw verb~~ancestor). 15:41:55 hm 15:42:06 ??transferrence 15:42:06 transferrence ~ Transference[1/1]: Hepliaklqana 5* ability. Switch locations with your ancestor, as long as they're in LOS. If you've chosen a death effect with {Remember Death}, this will trigger a weak version of it. 15:42:10 I wonder if that code is working correctly 15:42:17 !lm * ukayaw s=noun 15:42:18 2129 milestones for * (ukayaw): 335x Ukayaw, 159x Lair, 106x Orc, 35x Pikel, 34x Depths, 34x Vaults, 33x D, 31x Swamp, 30x Snake, 30x Prince Ribbit, 29x Spider, 29x Joseph, 28x Elf, 27x Zot, 25x Dowan, 25x Duvessa, 23x Shoals, 22x IceCv, 22x Eustachio, 21x Erolcha, 20x Maurice, 20x Sigmund, 20x Lab, 20x Slime, 20x Psyche, 20x Josephine, 18x Crazy Yiuf, 18x Crypt, 18x Grinder, 17x Edmund, 17x Ossua... 15:42:23 the code to do ancestor milestones? 15:42:23 !lm * ukayaw s=verb 15:42:24 2129 milestones for * (ukayaw): 742x uniq, 341x br.enter, 236x god.worship, 195x br.end, 195x br.exit, 111x ghost, 99x god.maxpiety, 69x rune, 66x zig, 40x shaft, 9x death, 7x abyss.enter, 7x orb, 4x zig.enter, 3x abyss.exit, 3x crash, 2x zig.exit 15:42:25 yeah 15:42:29 should be verb 15:42:30 ah, hm 15:42:42 looks not too good 15:42:44 yeah 15:42:56 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:04 so, what does H piety do aside from fuel abilities? 15:43:23 and how mana-dependent should H be? 15:43:37 H is not very mana dependent at all right now 15:43:47 yeah, it looks like it's 2 piety for all powers 15:43:53 and none of them are spammable in a useful way 15:43:56 er 2 mp 15:44:12 well, transference has spam potential 15:44:14 ** is when you get to pick your ancestor's class, ****** is when you get to pick your ancestor's death 15:44:26 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:44:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:44:38 I used transference a bit on my H win 15:44:48 oh, how'd that go? 15:44:52 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:44:58 I've noticed a lot of people ignoring that ability entirely 15:45:00 So you want to race to ****** and then after that piety is just for abilities? 15:45:12 yeah 15:45:12 well, at 10 invo it helped the ancestor kill orbs of fire 15:45:17 although sometimes it just did that without any healing 15:45:20 uh 15:45:28 you're getting the abilities confusd 15:45:31 OH 15:45:33 the swap ability 15:45:34 derp 15:45:38 Given that, the piety costs seem really cheap, unless piety gain is hard 15:46:01 I didn't because melee, but maybe I would have found use if I had picked the battlemage 15:46:09 transferrence is supposed to be spammable, to a certain extent 15:46:19 and romanticize isn't that strong 15:46:20 What does Invo do for this god? 15:46:22 I can see increasing the costs a bit 15:46:41 ability success chance, romanticize strength, strength of some death effects 15:47:41 particularly increasing the cost for transferrence is plausible 15:47:41 Not the ancestor base power tho? 15:47:47 no 15:48:38 oh yeah did you nerf knights yet so they're slightly less absurd lategame? 15:49:23 yes 15:49:26 although the effective xp cost of using the ancestor might balance that out slightly (I was a HO and had to hit basically everything in a 3-rune game + slime on top of that to hit XL27) 15:49:26 immediately after your game 15:49:48 the removal of weapon enchantment, remember? 15:49:51 oh yeah 15:50:54 then again wouldn't it be one of those hyper-optimal masochist or whatever HOM is supposed to mean to keep leading your ancestor upstairs after each battle to avoid it sucking up xp (and then recalling it in if it is needed)? 15:51:47 this is something that's been suggested 15:51:53 I think, if that's true, it's just as true of yred 15:52:02 but I think in practice it's really dumb and I am refusing to care 15:52:07 I don't think it's meaningfully optimal 15:53:11 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:54:21 it has a noticable effect on ancestor strength by the end of the game (i.e. I normally don't have to hit up all the side branches to hit XL27 as a HO + Slime) 15:54:53 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:54:54 with Yred it matters much less because it doesn't matter if you're XL26 or 27 in Zot, your profane servitors and bone dragons will be the same strength and die to orbs of fire the same way 15:55:09 so, a, you're conflating the total xp that your ancestor takes over the course of the game with the amount that they take from 'easy fights' 15:55:35 and, b, you're assuming there's no chance of dying because you didn't have your ancestor with you *until* an 'easy' fight turned ugly 15:56:27 -!- Lightli_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:30 weir 15:56:32 *d 15:57:22 anyways, I see what you mean; it MIGHT make a very minor difference but the turn and food cost of doing so probably makes it suboptimal anyways 15:58:40 that's my gut feeling here. i could be wrong 15:59:17 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:59:39 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:20 WebFungus: it's definitely optimal with Yred, but that's because allies dying is bad with Yred 16:00:34 sort of a different case 16:00:38 yeah 16:01:32 yeah, and with Beogh it's a non-issue since you want your orcs to get stronger 16:02:16 well 16:02:36 with beogh you're sort of encouraged to do things like only keep a small band of companions around you 16:02:44 so you can train up some warlords, instead of splitting xp too many ways 16:03:05 also, if you want more orcs, you should keep your existing orcs off-level, so beogh will send reinforcements 16:03:24 -!- alvarops has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:03:51 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:01 CanOfWorms: i drew more monsters 16:06:08 :O 16:06:26 %git de3eec0e131 16:06:26 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1389-gde3eec0: New monster: Dart Slug 10(2 days ago, 16 files, 80+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de3eec0e1313 16:06:40 %git 6f071321d5 16:06:40 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1394-g6f07132: New monster: Howler Monkeys 10(2 days ago, 15 files, 66+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f071321d5bb 16:06:59 put a lot of work into that monkey. 16:07:13 pity it ended up kind of pillowy 16:08:02 you're on a monster rampage 16:08:05 rimewurms 16:08:14 rimewurms are probably gonna turn into rime drakes 16:08:16 and replace fire drakes 16:08:23 :o 16:08:48 well at least that'll be easier to make a tile for 16:09:44 i have no qualms about use of the 'hue' tool for that one :) 16:10:02 anyway, i hope you appreciate my contributions to the artistic world. 16:11:31 -!- cang has quit [Client Quit] 16:11:46 WebFungus: Don't draconian callers summon fire drakes 16:11:49 -!- Lightli_ is now known as Lightli 16:11:56 ya 16:14:35 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:52 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 16:16:51 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:35 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:36 The build has errored. 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I was thinking of Larn." 17:01:12 uh 17:01:48 I can't tell if that's real or not 17:02:05 the larn wiki entry mentions that you get returns on interest for depositing gold in a bank 17:02:18 <|amethyst> I doubt it, given the increasingly weird questions that have been showing up in /r/roguelikes 17:02:21 wow yes, i assumed that was a parody of recent /r/roguelikes posts 17:02:21 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:02:26 but in fact... 17:02:27 oh my god no wait there it is 17:02:30 If a character manages to win Larn, his successor will have to pay taxes, which depend on the amount of gold brought to the surface. 17:02:30 <|amethyst> same person asked "Help me find another roguelike involving Harriet Tubman or the underground railroad" 17:02:37 <|amethyst> haha 17:02:39 incredible 17:03:24 <|amethyst> and there was someone else "Gangster-themed roguelike?" 17:03:33 arguably, liberal crime squad 17:03:36 if you squint hard enough 17:03:38 <|amethyst> "I am making this post to possibly test a crowd/social reaction theory, according to which a single idea may become subject of realization once achieved enough of publicity. I hope this post will eventually trigger interest among ASCII developers community, who perhaps never tried Gangsters (one of the best management stategies IMO)." 17:03:52 <|amethyst> IOW, "please someone make this for me" 17:03:59 haha 17:04:13 <|amethyst> Gangster here is the game "Gangsters: Organized Crime" 17:04:24 <|amethyst> s/ster h/sters h/ 17:05:18 <|amethyst> Personally I want to do a TradeWars 2002 roguelike 17:07:20 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:07:38 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:07:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:40 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 9-21 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 37 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d5), confuse, invisibility, magic dart (3d4) / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d4), 04esc:invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: normal. 17:11:40 <|amethyst> %0.15? orc wizard 17:12:13 hahaha, liberal crime squad isn't exactly a roguelike in the traditional sense 17:12:23 or all *that* gangster themed 17:12:32 or all *that* "playable" 17:13:35 did someone ever do a good sequel to syndicate? 17:15:32 <|amethyst> hm... oh 17:15:52 <|amethyst> I was wondering why I had such problems single-stepping monster and kept getting SIGALRM 17:16:02 <|amethyst> that's because it has an alarm(5) at the very beginning 17:16:23 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:17:54 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:18:57 <|amethyst> aha 17:20:13 !blame3 me 17:20:13 meeeee 17:20:35 <|amethyst> 2d4 is the correct number? 17:20:49 <|amethyst> for slug dart 17:20:53 <|amethyst> on a dart slug 17:21:26 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:21:44 |amethyst: should be 17:21:57 oh, that sounds much more reasonable 17:22:06 it's supposed to be 2d4 17:22:11 it was 3d5, right? 17:22:25 if you scroll up, you can also see me getting confused and claiming it was supposed to be 3d4 17:22:25 or at least that's how it showed up on gretell originally 17:22:28 i am NOT to be trusted!!! 17:22:33 when gretell was hanging around 17:22:34 <|amethyst> @??dart slug 17:22:35 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 1 | HP: 8-12 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 4 | Sp: slug dart (3d5) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: animal. 17:22:43 LIKE SUCH 17:23:20 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1400-g0ef5d54: Fix zappy spells in monster. 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ef5d547868c 17:23:59 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1400-g0ef5d54 17:24:03 <|amethyst> @??dart slug 17:24:04 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 1 | HP: 8-12 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 4 | Sp: slug dart (2d4) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: animal. 17:24:17 <|amethyst> every zappy spell looked like Throw Flame 17:25:12 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:25:25 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:25:34 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:25:41 bin/monster-trunk: line 7: /home/szorg/src/cheibriados/bin/monster-trunk.REAL: Text file busy bin/monster-trunk: line 7: /home/szorg/src/cheibriados/bin/monster-trunk.REAL: Success 17:25:41 <|amethyst> %??dart slug 17:26:08 bin/monster-trunk: line 7: /home/szorg/src/cheibriados/bin/monster-trunk.REAL: Text file busy bin/monster-trunk: line 7: /home/szorg/src/cheibriados/bin/monster-trunk.REAL: Success 17:26:08 <|amethyst> %??dart slug 17:26:14 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 1 | HP: 8-12 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 4 | Sp: slug dart (2d4) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: animal. 17:26:14 <|amethyst> %??dart slug 17:26:17 <|amethyst> there we go 17:26:44 oh 17:26:45 hey 17:26:45 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:26:47 neato 17:27:27 <|amethyst> can't build monster on chei's server, but I can copy over the binary (and shared libraries) from CDO 17:27:49 @??ancestor 17:27:49 unknown monster: "ancestor" 17:27:51 <|amethyst> I still need to build monster-0.16 and monster-0.17 at some point 17:27:51 rip 17:28:12 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:18 howler monkey (09h) | Spd: 12 | HD: 3 | HP: 15-23 | AC/EV: 1/11 | Dam: 3, 2 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 72 | Sp: warning cry [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 17:28:18 <|amethyst> %??howler monkey 17:28:40 * WebFungus hoots and howls with tremendous vigour! 17:28:51 wait, they just exist to draw a ton of people to you? 17:28:51 <|amethyst> err 17:28:53 -!- ElTwisto has quit [Client Quit] 17:28:54 <|amethyst> I see a bug 17:29:00 is it !sil 17:29:01 people being monsters 17:29:02 <|amethyst> yes 17:29:05 haha 17:29:07 yeah I know 17:29:09 makes sense 17:29:11 gonna fix it when I get home 17:29:21 <|amethyst> ok :) 17:29:27 i thought they had a sonic attack or something when you guys vaguely mentioned them earlier 17:29:27 trivial fix, just an oversight 17:29:34 i assume it's the !sil =P 17:29:53 naw, they're part of my effort to isolate interesting mechanics and re-use them earlier in the game 17:30:00 specifically 17:30:04 vault sentinel (12p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 43-60 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 446 | Sp: warning cry [11!AM, 08breath], sentinel's mark | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:30:04 %??vault sentinel 17:30:11 ^ the vault sentinel's horn thing 17:30:27 hahaha, does the warlock's mirror still reflect that? 17:30:32 ? 17:31:02 <|amethyst> um 17:31:04 <|amethyst> did you know 17:31:08 warlock's mirror reflected the sentinel's mark right after it was introduced 17:31:12 <|amethyst> that if a monster dragon casts a spell 17:31:43 <|amethyst> it uses loudness 12, not the spell's loudness 17:31:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:55 haha 17:32:06 <|amethyst> in particular, if you give a dragon warning cry 17:32:09 RAWR, I'M CASTING! 17:32:15 <|amethyst> that is less loud than other monsters' warning cry 17:33:02 is warning cry different from a normal " shouts!"? 17:33:14 <|amethyst> yes 17:33:21 <|amethyst> much louder 17:33:30 also, can occur repeatedly 17:33:30 sort of equivalent to a monster stepping on an alarm trap near you? 17:33:38 whereas shouting is generally only when they first notice you 17:33:38 not quite that loud 17:33:41 ??alarm trap 17:33:41 alarm trap[1/3]: Makes a 'loud' noise and {mark}s you. 17:33:44 feh 17:33:46 ??alarm trap[2 17:33:46 sentinel's mark[1/1]: Reveals your location to all awake monsters on the level while in effect, and makes them more able to pathfind towards you. Caused by vault sentinels, alarm traps, and Dithmenos wrath. {potion of cancellation} removes this! 17:33:49 ??alarm trap[3 17:33:49 alarm trap[3/3]: One of the loudest things in the game, tied with the {shield of the gong}. 17:33:58 yeah, I think alarm traps are, what, maybe 40 noise? 17:34:04 <|amethyst> yeah, 40 17:34:09 warning cry/signal horn is 25; fireball is 20 17:34:22 as is meph 17:34:30 heh 17:34:49 lightning bolt is 25, apparently 17:34:59 i've had some hilarious meph related deaths 17:35:04 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:04 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:35:15 <|amethyst> how do multiple noisy()s combine? 17:35:20 i'd always assumed lightning bolt was louder 17:35:27 just from personal experience 17:35:30 |amethyst: they'd be separate rolls, no? 17:35:33 <|amethyst> if you lightning bolt yourself, is the noise 30? 17:35:38 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 17:35:45 I think it's a noisy(5) and a noisy(25) 17:35:48 <|amethyst> WebFungus: I'm not sure because of the noise grid propagation stuff 17:35:55 hm 17:35:57 <|amethyst> yeah, it would be two calls 17:36:05 <|amethyst> I'm just not sure about the effect of the two calls 17:36:16 <|amethyst> I guess they'd be separate, yeah 17:36:55 <|amethyst> hmm 17:37:09 should warning cry and hunting cry really also both exist 17:37:15 well 17:37:19 signal horn and hunting cry existed 17:37:34 i've always been a little confused by hunting cry 17:37:38 ??hunting cry 17:37:39 anubis guard[1/1]: 0.16 Tomb monster which sometimes appears in place of guardian mummies. Can turn up in pairs; has drain breath, Dispel Undead, and a hunting cry which makes noise and alerts other anubis guards on the level to your location. They are living but rN+++ and torment-immune. 17:37:39 <|amethyst> apply_noises happens just one (or maybe two?) times a turn 17:37:47 i would have asked that same question if i'd remembered that signal horn existed when i was last looking at what on earth hunting cry does 17:37:58 yeah, I'd forgotten about it when I was adding the monkeys 17:38:10 got partway through implementing it as a new spell before I spotted horn 17:38:48 i think the answer is basically it's identical to signal horn except it's slightly more unnecessarily complicated 17:38:49 <|amethyst> hunting cry affects specifically monsters of the same genus, or all holy monsters if the caster is holy 17:38:51 iirc hunting cry is a warning cry that only anubis guards can hear? or something? I wasn't entirely clear on it 17:39:02 oh, is it on cherubs or something? 17:39:17 <|amethyst> seraphim 17:39:22 I see 17:40:02 note that, if they're merged, you'll probably want to poke at monspell.txt 17:40:23 since right now the messaging assumes that warning cry is either 'blowing a horn' or 'hooting like a monkey' 17:40:41 <|amethyst> wouldn't making Hunting Cry audible to everybody make Tomb a fair amount harder? 17:41:44 isn't it audible to everyone already? it just specifically alerts other anubis guards instead of disturbing them? 17:41:48 -!- gressup_ is now known as gressup 17:41:51 <|amethyst> aha 17:42:05 <|amethyst> yeah, you're right 17:42:35 <|amethyst> there is a similar special case for sirens 17:42:40 <|amethyst> and aquatic monsters 17:43:19 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:44:14 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:46 that's very odd 17:45:49 flavor...? 17:46:12 <|amethyst> I think it's intended to get you swarmed 17:46:15 <|amethyst> // Sirens/merfolk avatar call (hostile) aquatic monsters. 17:47:08 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:47:13 <|amethyst> (also, it looks like *any* noise within 3 cells of the player will also alert monsters) 17:48:59 -!- vev has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:49:01 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Client Quit] 17:49:27 -!- bgiannan_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:05 -!- mumra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:46 hi 17:50:58 <|amethyst> mumra! 17:51:07 hey! 17:51:10 how's it going? 17:51:28 <|amethyst> ruining crawl, the usual 17:52:20 hehe well someone's gotta keep it up 17:52:33 <|amethyst> PF just ruined D:1 17:52:36 <|amethyst> @??slug dart 17:52:37 unknown monster: "slug dart" 17:52:40 <|amethyst> @??dart slug 17:52:40 dart slug (10w) | Spd: 7 | HD: 1 | HP: 8-12 | AC/EV: 1/1 | Dam: 3 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 4 | Sp: slug dart (2d4) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: animal. 17:52:43 <|amethyst> @??howler monkey 17:52:43 howler monkey (09h) | Spd: 12 | HD: 3 | HP: 15-23 | AC/EV: 1/11 | Dam: 3, 2 | 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 72 | Sp: warning cry [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 17:52:51 -!- ArbitraryName has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:53:11 <|amethyst> (well, howlers aren't D:1, but D:4-14) 17:53:36 yep just encountered them yesterday 17:53:42 <|amethyst> hm 17:53:49 playing crawl for the first time in ages 17:53:55 <|amethyst> howlers need a better letter I guess 17:54:06 there was some discussion of that 17:54:13 oh i didn't see the howlers 17:54:15 the basic reasoning was that they run on four legs 17:54:23 ??h 17:54:24 h[1/3]: h moves one square to the right. H moves in this direction until an encounter (monster or floor item). h (monster glyph) represents a hound-type or hog-type monster (see h[2]). H (monster glyph) represents a legendary-hybrid-type monster (see H[3]). 17:54:26 oh, hi mumra! 17:54:39 hi WebFungus! 17:54:47 <|amethyst> put them on 'p' like halflings :P 17:54:51 haha 17:54:56 'p' was one of the other suggestions 17:55:04 <|amethyst> not much room on p I imagine 17:55:11 I always get confused with crawl glyphs, "dwarves aren't dogs!" 17:55:12 iirc there were one or two glyphs left 17:55:14 colors? w/e 17:55:56 how can a monkey not be m 17:55:56 ah, right, suggestions were h, p, or 't' 17:55:59 <|amethyst> 'g' maybe? 17:56:11 -!- bgiannan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:56:14 ??glyphs 17:56:14 glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 17:56:28 g is 100% full 17:56:32 <|amethyst> ah 17:56:37 <|amethyst> If someone puts monkeys on t I will go on a glyph reorganisation binge 17:56:38 I guess there's dark red 17:56:40 oh 17:56:42 lol 17:56:46 <|amethyst> to make things biologically correct 17:56:46 yeah I think that one was a joke 17:56:50 FR: Give howler monkeys a blinding throw attack. 17:56:59 nikheizen: sounds like a shitty idea 17:57:10 |amethyst: is it lightred or darkred that people complain about in console 17:57:13 :^) 17:57:15 one of them looks like berserk 17:57:20 I vaguely remember 17:57:27 <|amethyst> darkred looks like berserk 17:57:43 yeah. so if we don't want to step on that or an existing glyph, g is full 17:58:05 x.... 17:58:08 -!- Gretell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:08 -!- bmfx has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- serq has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- simmarine has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- st_ has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- molotove1 has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- kaiza has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- johnstein has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- PsyMar has quit [*.net *.split] 17:58:09 -!- DrKe 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18:00:08 hobgoblin (07g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 2 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:00:08 <|amethyst> %??hobgoblin 18:00:17 do giant netsplits exist? 18:00:20 wow, hobs are hd 4? 18:00:23 mumra!? 18:00:27 <|amethyst> ? 18:00:30 <|amethyst> no, both 1 18:00:30 oh hey! 18:00:44 oh, sorry, that was some gunk on my screen 18:00:49 lol 18:01:01 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- vible has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- plathrop has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- tswett has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- Napkin has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:01 -!- MakMorn has joined 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HD: 1 | HP: 3-5 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 18:02:04 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:04 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:04 -!- johnstein has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:04 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:04 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:02:24 hi ProzacElf yeah i have been quiet for a while 18:02:26 <|amethyst> updated the glyphs page 18:02:29 well, super busy with work 18:02:45 heh 18:02:57 -!- Mindiell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- Medar has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- amalloy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- bh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:06 -!- 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Bulks 18:06:01 which are obviously very different from the nethack/d&d monster 18:06:15 Sounds confusing. 18:06:30 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:30 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:30 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:30 -!- neckro23 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:52 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 18:07:02 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:07:02 -!- neckro23 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:07:02 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:07:03 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07:22 j is for jumanji (monkeys) 18:07:29 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:07:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:50 ProzacElf you are saying you get drunk and wake up in a field? :P 18:08:04 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 18:08:09 -!- lightflight is now known as lightsflight 18:08:26 the easiest solution is to remove unclassed draconians, move classed draconians to d, move quadrupeds to q, then put howlers on h for howler 18:08:29 obviously 18:09:09 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:09:42 imo 18:09:53 we wouldn't be having this argument if we'd just removed console already. 18:10:01 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1400-g0ef5d54 (34) 18:10:16 18:10:34 what's wrong with m? It's used only by merfolk who appear in a totally different branch 18:11:17 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:11:39 mumra: lol, more or less 18:12:33 <|amethyst> Describe a monster; partial names and regexps are fine. Paste a screenshot to search by tile. 18:13:06 at least if you have a better explanation for my psychology->neuroscience->face recognition->retail->video game qa->criminology career progression i'm open to hearing it =p 18:13:06 i'm for it 18:13:34 crawl GRIS implementation sounds good 18:13:42 -!- Rotatell has quit [*.net *.split] 18:15:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:15:32 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:16:00 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 18:17:24 can I generate a randart weapon in one command in wizmode? 18:17:33 want to gen a lot for testing, don't care about their stats so much 18:18:01 oh, ` can repeat acquirement 18:18:04 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Changing host] 18:18:04 -!- jetnerd has quit [Changing host] 18:18:06 &%any weapon randart or something maybe 18:18:10 -!- lightsflight has quit [Changing host] 18:18:13 <|amethyst> &% any wea what MarvinPA said 18:18:28 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:18:31 even better 18:19:48 testing something in particular? 18:20:00 reviving my randart-naming branch 18:20:04 ahh 18:20:15 there's a command that'll give you aggregate stats for randart generation, but that's not useful for you 18:21:35 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:27:05 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:27:49 -!- Zaba has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:16 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:29:04 -!- neckro23 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:56 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:37:45 b - the whip @_holy_wrath_weapon_name_@ {holy, +Rage} 18:38:24 good name 18:42:05 now i just need 500 names for each brand 18:42:13 and to do the same for armour egos 18:42:43 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43:57 easy 18:44:04 why 500? 18:44:32 exaggeration with humorous intent 18:44:57 -!- Mike57_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:45:32 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:47:11 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 18:49:32 is it intended that i think a deep elf archer is a bigger threat than vault guards in v:5? or for that matter that i thought they were a bigger threat than deep elf sorcerers in elf:3 unless they were summoning? 18:50:08 a master archer you mean? or just a regular archer 18:50:15 regular 18:50:17 regular ones can blink 18:51:34 <|amethyst> @??deep elf archer 18:51:34 deep elf archer (07e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-57 | AC/EV: 3/15 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 664 | Sp: blink away, slow, confuse, repel missiles | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:51:37 <|amethyst> @??vault guard 18:51:37 vault guard (10p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 62-83 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 1084 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:51:41 frankly, the regular ones are scarier than the master ones 18:52:04 <|amethyst> hm 18:52:18 i mean, i'm at a point now where it doesn't matter much either way 18:52:29 weird that they have master archer. seems a little excessive 18:52:39 but blink away and slow makes it an issue 18:53:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 18:53:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 18:53:46 <|amethyst> maybe they just need < 21 damage? 18:54:26 i think taking away either slow or blink away would help 18:54:35 in terms of not v:5 encounters 18:54:40 !lg * s=killer elf:1-2 current trunk 18:54:41 No games for * (elf:1-2 current trunk). 18:54:47 !lg * s=killer elf lvl<3 current trunk 18:54:52 545 games for * (elf lvl<3 current trunk): 96x a deep elf knight, 57x a deep elf mage, 41x a deep elf archer, 14x a deep elf annihilator, 13x a deep elf conjurer, 11x, 10x a glaive of chopping, 9x a dire flail of protection, 8x a glaive of venom, 7x a hell rat, 6x a deep elf blademaster, 6x a redback, 6x Agnes, 6x a glaive of flaming, 6x an earth elemental, 6x a halberd of freezing, 6x a battleaxe... 18:54:52 @??deep elf master archer 18:54:52 deep elf master archer (15e) | Spd: 10 (msl: 50%) | HD: 15 | HP: 61-89 | AC/EV: 3/15 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 2497 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:55:13 especially since the master archer is a punk compared to it 18:55:33 i mean, ok, it has finesse 18:55:35 !lg * s=killer elf:1-2 current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-779 18:55:36 No games for * (elf:1-2 current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-779). 18:55:37 essentially 18:55:49 !lg * x=vlong elf:1-2 current trunk 18:55:50 No games for * (elf:1-2 current trunk). 18:55:53 agh 18:56:00 <|amethyst> and better to-hit from the HD 18:56:00 !lg * s=killer elf lvl<3 current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-779 18:56:05 391 games for * (elf lvl<3 current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-779): 62x a deep elf knight, 53x a deep elf mage, 41x a deep elf archer, 8x a glaive of chopping, 8x a deep elf annihilator, 7x, 6x an earth elemental, 6x a glaive of flaming, 6x a battleaxe of chopping, 6x a glaive of venom, 5x a halberd of protection, 5x a sixfirhy, 5x Nikola, 5x a dire flail of protection, 4x a glaive of protection, 4x a h... 18:56:08 there we go 18:56:13 !lg * s=ikiller elf lvl<3 current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-779 18:56:18 391 games for * (elf lvl<3 current trunk vlong>=0.18-a0-779): 76x a deep elf mage, 61x a deep elf knight, 41x a deep elf archer, 14x a deep elf demonologist, 9x a deep elf high priest, 8x a glaive of chopping, 7x, 7x a deep elf annihilator, 6x a glaive of flaming, 6x a glaive of venom, 6x a battleaxe of chopping, 5x a dire flail of protection, 5x a halberd of protection, 5x Nikola, 4x a deep elf s... 18:56:39 !lg * s=ikiller elf lvl<3 recent vlong<0.18-a0-779 18:56:40 2303 games for * (elf lvl<3 recent vlong<0.18-a0-779): 478x a deep elf knight, 186x a deep elf conjurer, 112x a deep elf priest, 92x a deep elf summoner, 74x a deep elf annihilator, 70x a deep elf demonologist, 70x a deep elf high priest, 65x Nikola, 59x a deep elf blademaster, 49x, 43x a deep elf sorcerer, 41x a deep elf mage, 32x Aizul, 28x a dire flail of protection, 26x Asterion, 23x Agnes, 22... 18:56:59 * WebFungus shrugs 18:57:01 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:57:15 the last several times i've been in elf, i have made the regular archers more of a priority than the master archers 18:57:17 i'm vaguely worried about 'diluting' master archer 18:57:21 -!- glaas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 18:57:24 the flag and also the monster 18:57:27 aside from that, w/e 18:57:38 specifically because the regular ones have blink and slow 18:58:14 <|amethyst> WebFungus: shouldn't you be more worried about centaurs then? 18:58:14 blademasters are a legit problem, and they deserve to be 18:58:22 <|amethyst> WebFungus: or do you mean the don't-melee flag? 18:58:25 but master archers are just some guy 18:58:40 |amethyst: the latter 18:58:46 right now it's on a few monsters, but not many 18:58:51 and I think that's good 18:59:00 it seems sort of redundant with blink, on these archers 18:59:04 so it seems like an easy thing to snip 18:59:10 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:14 (in terms of 'ways to keep them shooting') 18:59:22 <|amethyst> but it also seems like it wouldn't make much difference, because of the blink thing 18:59:28 <|amethyst> to the difficulty level 18:59:30 i'm not saying that they shouldn't be a problem also 18:59:38 sure. i'm coming at this from a different angle 18:59:56 but i should probably fear master archers more than archers 19:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:11 from any reasonable point of view 19:01:12 @??deep elf master archer 19:01:12 deep elf master archer (15e) | Spd: 10 (msl: 50%) | HD: 15 | HP: 61-89 | AC/EV: 3/15 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 2497 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 19:01:27 yeah, two shots a turn is... rude 19:01:32 from experience :( 19:01:53 oh, i am not saying that master archers can't ruin you 19:02:56 but the regular ones are like an imp with a lightning wand 19:02:59 sometimes 19:03:14 sexy hexy elves 19:03:19 in that you just have to run out 19:03:48 except the imp might wait until you get to hit it once 19:04:49 i guess i'm just of the opinion that master archers should have blink away if you're giving it to either 19:05:03 i know elf is mostly grunt's baby right now 19:05:11 baby elves... 19:05:15 lol 19:05:30 I sort of like the purity of master archers/blademasters 19:05:49 i think blademasters are great 19:05:56 but we can always lower the numbers on basic archers if they're too much. or take off confuse or w/e 19:06:22 well 19:06:55 i think that if they even just did blink less often they'd be ok 19:07:34 <|amethyst> hm 19:07:55 right now they have about an 18% chance per turn 19:07:58 <|amethyst> DE archer has a higher total casting frequency than DE mage 19:08:09 @??deep elf archer 19:08:09 deep elf archer (07e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-57 | AC/EV: 3/15 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 664 | Sp: blink away, slow, confuse, repel missiles | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 19:08:16 oh right, that doesn't show me the weights 19:08:20 lol 19:08:21 <|amethyst> 36 + 12 + 12 + 12 vs 15 + 15 + 15 + 15 19:08:32 I know I bumped down the blink weight at least once before and speculated that I might need to do so again 19:08:36 <|amethyst> (or 40 + 20 for mage III) 19:09:01 blink isn't a bad thing for them 19:09:01 <|amethyst> (or 12 + 12 + 24 + 12 for VI, but still 72 vs 60) 19:09:23 <|amethyst> oh 19:09:23 but i literally just run back to the stairs out of elf when i have 2 of them in sight 19:09:25 -!- jetnerd_ has quit [Client Quit] 19:09:37 <|amethyst> I guess you can't really count repel since that will usually be _ms_waste_of_time 19:09:51 <|amethyst> (then again, the magi have summons) 19:11:54 i'm just saying, that something that is supposed to be a "base level elf" shouldn't be scarier than anything other than a demonologist or blademaster 19:12:09 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:12:30 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:53 i might be overstating it a bit 19:13:19 but i'd rather face 2 annihilators than 2 plain archers and a mage 19:13:39 -!- molotove1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:13:52 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:31 gozag seems pretty great with octopode 19:20:04 -!- zero_one has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:20:16 hi mumra! 19:20:35 hey Grunt! 19:29:50 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:29:51 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:30:25 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:31:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:31:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 19:36:19 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:38:57 elf archers are evil fuckers. on any meleedude i hate them more than mages or knights, and probably more than deep elf priests too 19:39:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 19:39:58 specifically because of the blinking and highish ranged dpt 19:41:09 probably more than master archers actually 19:44:49 lol 19:45:03 i think i just said that 19:45:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:46:32 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:48:11 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:05 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:51:25 -!- Harudoku has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:55:06 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:55:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 19:56:15 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:24 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:07 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1401-g2f4be58: Cut Howler Monkey XP 10(73 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f4be58f684a 20:00:07 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1402-g22a2efc: Prevent silent screaming 10(49 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/22a2efc48557 20:01:02 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:02:30 -!- Zannick has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:02:44 ontoclasm: please fix the dart slug tile. so ugly... 20:03:12 !messages 20:03:12 (1/1) PleasingFungus said (2d 8h 28m 11s ago): because they're, like, bulls, but also angels...? but mostly Because We Could, I think 20:03:34 :( 20:03:34 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:04:02 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:05:07 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:12 PleasingFungus: i think ambrosia might be better as a non-purple potion with more consistent regeneration amount 20:07:34 PleasingFungus: i think that because dealing with purple things is annoying 20:07:52 what do you mean by "non-purple"? 20:08:30 inventory default color 20:08:39 makes dangerous items (what ambrosia is considered as) purple 20:08:54 interestingly, this doesn't happen for DD, presumably because sources of healing is more precious to them 20:09:12 but it does happen otherwise 20:10:17 Yes, I know that. I'll rephrase: chequers, what precisely would making !ambrosia a "non-purple" potion entail? 20:10:33 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:53 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:12:01 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1403-gf276f87: Factor out code to check for ranged attack penetration. 10(57 minutes ago, 8 files, 25+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f276f8745fee 20:12:01 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1404-g4231155: Don't prompt when firing a penetrating attack through a plant. 10(42 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/423115569a58 20:12:09 removing the case in is_dangerous_item 20:12:10 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:12:30 the latter commit was a bug reported by someone here, apologies for forgetting the name 20:12:31 !banish wheals 20:12:32 PleasingFungus casts a spell. wheals is cast into the Abyss! 20:12:35 was possibly jefus 20:12:40 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:16:30 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18:39 -!- Bcadren has quit [Excess Flood] 20:18:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:19:27 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:21:06 @??efreet 20:21:07 efreet (05R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 31-45 | AC/EV: 10/5 | Dam: 17 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, unholy, fly | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 357 | Sp: b.fire (3d15) [06!sil], fireball (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 20:21:12 @??hell hound 20:21:12 hell hound (10h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 23-32 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 13 | natural, 05demonic, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 08blind, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 146 | Sp: fire breath (3d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:21:15 hm 20:26:55 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:44 @??fire drake 20:28:44 fire drake (04k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire | XP: 342 | Sp: fire breath (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 20:31:08 @??antaeus 20:31:08 Antaeus (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 22 | HP: 573-776 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:22-65), 3012(cold:22-65) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 11elec+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 16940 | Sp: b.lightning (3d25) [06!sil], flash freeze (3d29) [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int:.. 20:31:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:31:51 @??blood saint 20:31:51 gelid blood saint (126) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 68-95 | AC/EV: 18/12 | Dam: 15 | natural, 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1386 | Sp: legendary destruction (3d22 / 9d15 / 3d20 / 3d34 / 3d25 / 3d27) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:32:07 @??antaeus hd:15 20:32:07 Antaeus (11C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 391-543 | AC/EV: 28/4 | Dam: 7512(cold:15-44), 3012(cold:15-44) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, amphibious, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 11elec+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 5708 | Sp: b.lightning (3d20) [06!sil], flash freeze (3d22) [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: .. 20:32:31 holy cow, howler monkeys are loud 20:33:04 haha 20:33:06 !lm amalloy 20:33:07 6134. [2016-02-11 18:25:45] amalloy the Tainter (L12 NaTm of Ukayaw) killed Josephine on turn 15629. (Lair:3) 20:33:15 assuming not that char 20:33:16 !lm comborobin ghvm 20:33:17 5. [2016-02-24 01:28:02] comborobin the Stinger (L5 GhVM) killed Robin on turn 4463. (D:4) 20:33:18 ahh 20:33:26 that'll be a lone howler, then 20:33:43 yes. but he woke up an ogre i'd excluded, and also brought in an ice beast from somewhere 20:33:46 awesome 20:33:50 yeah 20:33:55 most exciting thing that's happened all game 20:34:06 :) 20:34:19 and you fought robin, too! 20:34:23 my fingerprints all over the place... 20:34:43 this character actually got some ridiculous gear 20:35:02 You finish putting on the +1 robe of the Turtle {MP+9 Slay+5}. You finish putting on the +3 pair of gloves of the Orb {rF+ Str-4 Dex+3 SInv}. [those two sitting within sight of each other on D:4] 20:35:09 lmao 20:35:14 but which to choose...! 20:35:18 both! 20:35:21 hooray for ghvm 20:35:39 !comborobin 20:35:42 comborobin progress: 600/615 (97%) 20:35:44 people are still asking for fo to wear two sets of gloves 20:35:46 not bad 20:35:52 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:36:30 my scrolls this game are names of people. PAULIE YHUCW, LESIUMONUULUA 20:37:24 who can we get to draw a picture of LESIUMONUULUA 20:37:37 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:37:38 I'm the new official artist. 20:37:43 I'm drawing all the tiles from here on out. 20:37:43 good 20:37:45 get to work <.< 20:37:54 EXTREMELY good news for spiky jockstrap fans 20:37:55 start by redrawing everything, then go from there. 20:38:39 -!- ArbitraryName has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:40:17 New branch created: rimedrake (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/rimedrake 20:40:17 03PleasingFungus02 07[rimedrake] * 0.18-a0-1403-g279ef66: Fire Drake -> Rime Drake 10(2 minutes ago, 25 files, 76+ 71-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/279ef66ebe58 20:40:36 ^ soliciting vault opinions especially; there are some I'm not sure about 20:41:21 e.g. minmay_lair_entry_lava 20:41:38 and enter_volcano_3 20:41:41 those ones mainly 20:42:01 ...man, who sticks menkaure in a volcano? that's just mean... 20:42:08 meankaure 20:42:11 !lg * killer=menkaure volcano 20:42:13 1. Wombat the Grappler (L11 TrMo of The Shining One), slain by Menkaure in Volcano (volcano_tomb; vts_chambers) on 2014-08-08 15:13:54, with 10902 points after 9973 turns and 1:08:01. 20:42:15 lmao 20:42:21 nice 20:42:25 !killratio menkaure * volcano 20:42:30 menkaure wins 0.106% of battles against * (volcano). 20:42:39 s m d h. 20:42:47 rip wombat 20:42:55 stick a hell hound in the lair entry <.< 20:42:58 @??molten gargoyle 20:42:58 molten gargoyle (059) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-36 | AC/EV: 14/7 | Dam: 2004(fire:7-13) | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 430 | Sp: b.magma (3d15) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:43:02 @??toenail golem 20:43:03 toenail golem (058) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 50-68 | AC/EV: 8/5 | Dam: 13 | 11non-living, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 477 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 20:43:05 @??guardian mummy 20:43:05 guardian mummy (08M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 7 | HP: 37-53 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 330 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 20:43:15 enh? enh??? 20:43:20 (wrt that one volcano) 20:43:27 toenail golems are red 20:43:29 !shrug 20:43:29 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 20:43:35 is menkaure red 20:43:37 @??menkaure 20:43:37 Menkaure (06M) | Spd: 8 | HD: 3 | HP: 19-28 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Dam: 25 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 169 | Sp: pain (d14), haste, s.torment | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 20:43:47 probably was at one point...... 20:43:52 haha 20:44:01 oh, it already has guardian mummies there 20:44:07 sheesh 20:44:19 what a weird vault. 20:44:43 guardian mummy, or menkaure? those are probably about the same toughness, right? 20:45:51 Grunt: was hell hound a sincere or joke suggestion 20:46:54 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:09 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:47:10 The build has errored. (master - 22a2efc #4860 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111367296 20:47:10 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:49:32 PleasingFungus: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/rime_drake.png 20:49:41 yours is a little dark imo 20:49:47 I was worried about wind drakes 20:50:06 PleasingFungus: relatively serious 20:50:07 after all 20:50:08 @??fire drake 20:50:09 fire drake (04k) | Spd: 12 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 8 | fly | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire | XP: 342 | Sp: fire breath (3d12) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 20:50:10 @??hell hound 20:50:10 hell hound (10h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 5 | HP: 23-32 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 13 | natural, 05demonic, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 04fire+++, 03poison, 08blind, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 146 | Sp: fire breath (3d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:50:11 hmm 20:50:43 Grunt: sure, I replaced fire drakes with hell hounds in a few places for that reason. was just vaguely worried about how well they fit with the Lair Theme 20:50:44 w/e 20:50:48 i will do it. 20:50:59 PleasingFungus: part of me also wants the occasional early hell hound 20:51:04 so that players do not think they are complete jokes 20:51:05 :) 20:51:16 (maybe someday make them rare regular lair spawns) 20:51:18 hm 20:51:19 PleasingFungus: i think they're probably different enough 20:51:24 but idk 20:51:42 I think I might put two hounds 20:51:52 since they breathe so much less 20:52:01 20 vs 62 20:53:15 PleasingFungus: yeah mostly just not marking it dangerous 20:53:46 03PleasingFungus02 07[rimedrake] * 0.18-a0-1404-g34dbb5e: Swap out some rime drakes for hell hounds 10(37 seconds ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34dbb5edd006 20:53:46 03PleasingFungus02 07[rimedrake] * 0.18-a0-1405-gec80e70: Lighter rime drake tile (ontoclasm) 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ec80e709734f 20:54:01 chequers: is confusion not potentially dangerous? 20:54:17 I mean, it's not supposed to be a Bad Potion, or even as weak/situational as lig. 20:54:19 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:54:38 it's just, you know. maybe be careful about when you drink this, unless you want to have to burn more turns and a cure. 20:55:00 xompieces were purple too! 20:55:14 <|amethyst> IMO the problem is that such items are off autopickup by default 20:55:20 fair 20:55:39 there was probably some reasoning behind the inconsistency of the healing; it seems like the sort of thing I would have liked. might or might not have made it into the commit message. 20:56:02 nope 20:56:04 %git 77ee4368d44a755baaa75a0d9b90d55cc238d82d 20:56:04 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-2909-g77ee436: Stop the fountains of Olympus (zxc232) 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77ee4368d44a 20:56:06 this was good though 20:57:09 PleasingFungus: what |amethyst said 20:57:22 well 20:57:24 I mean 20:57:27 that's trivial to fix, I think 20:57:38 oh 20:57:40 %git c2320d776ad356f67ea8a72a2e0eaa281a9e5dbb 20:57:40 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3331-gc2320d7: Put !ambrosia on DD autopickup (Arrhythmia) 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c2320d776ad3 20:57:47 hm 20:57:56 autopickup, autopickup... hm. 20:59:32 would it be possible to tinker with the default autopickup_exceptions? 20:59:37 that seems like a cleaner approach 21:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:15 <|amethyst> you could remove the entry 21:00:19 <|amethyst> ae += dangerous_item 21:00:38 <|amethyst> the problem is that, once that entry is there, you can't do anything to override it 21:00:41 <|amethyst> short of the \ menu 21:00:44 <|amethyst> or writing lua 21:00:52 that does seem simplest 21:01:08 I think I'll do that. 21:02:25 i think this will make ambrosia much more commonly used 21:02:37 <|amethyst> it will make me press \ less often :) 21:02:47 big plus 21:02:55 <|amethyst> I guess I'll still have to turn off noise, but I can do that in an a_e 21:03:50 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 21:04:20 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:04:52 mpose cpinoise could always be marked bad 21:04:56 *noise 21:05:11 for anyone who needs to generate a lot of noise, they're advanced enough to deal with that 21:05:49 enh 21:05:56 i use lig a lot more than i use ambrosia 21:05:57 could just add it to default autopickup exclude if we preferred 21:06:02 i rarely remember to use ambrosia 21:06:41 i feel like lig is rarely useful past d:4, and i don't usually have it IDed by then 21:06:55 killer bee vaults 21:06:57 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1405-g73f4075: Enable default autopickup of dangerous items 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/73f40750d1f9 21:07:33 it's decent on like a not-so-beefy meleedude, or a mage who's out of mp (since mine generally have some melee options by lair) 21:07:52 like i remember lignifying in lair a few times for my kohu^oka win 21:09:00 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:09:05 it can be helpful but it's so so sketchy 21:09:18 very easy to end up with more and more enemies drawn to you while you sit there helplessly 21:09:28 if you use it at the beginning of a fight instead of as a panic button, and you use it in a corridor 21:09:49 not that many corridors in lair! 21:09:56 i do wish treeform had better defenses for longer 21:09:57 there are a surprising number 21:10:06 like add some AC based on XL or something 21:10:12 the edges of the map usually have several natural killholes per floor 21:10:13 *more 21:16:04 autoexplore just stopped after printing the message "Found a granite statue.". that's not supposed to happen, is it? those aren't things you find, they're just features 21:16:37 this sounds vaguely familiar 21:16:39 a weird vault 21:17:01 it's some kind of vault for sure, yes 21:17:15 but why does that make the statues be things i can't autoexplore through 21:18:06 no autoexplore traps!!! 21:18:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:18:14 hm, trying to remember the trick for checking whether you're still in the main menu 21:18:17 for ?/ 21:19:16 need_save 21:19:23 no autoexplore traps? remove that level type which is all windows 21:19:31 false = on menu? 21:19:34 that sounds right 21:21:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:22:20 amalloy: the statue is there to let you see the vault 21:22:28 instead of just autoexploring into it 21:22:37 this was the hackish way it was done before runed doors 21:23:01 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1497-g8256b76: Don't crash on &mancestor (amalloy?) 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8256b7612b4a 21:23:01 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1498-g47b3be5: Some sanity checks for ancestor code 10(14 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/47b3be5333aa 21:23:15 I think that was you, sorry 21:23:24 ontoclasm: i understand the general way you can trick autoexplore into stopping when it sees a vault 21:23:29 what i don't understand is why statues do that 21:23:37 i thought granite statues were non-notable features 21:24:13 I think it's some specific flag or mask? 21:24:16 I'd have to look at the vault 21:24:21 it's not the statue proper iirc 21:24:26 something on it 21:24:37 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 21:26:32 amalloy: yes, it's specifically done with lua 21:26:42 it's not some property statues have or anything 21:27:23 that is some confusing and dumb shit, imo. as a playe,r i see "found a granite statue", and i don't pay any attention to my surroundings, i just hit o again. i didn't notice the vault 21:27:46 because i know statues are not relevant 21:28:03 * ontoclasm shrugs 21:28:06 i'm not sure what the right fix is. runed door? maybe 21:28:13 it was a deep elf mage, surrounded by doors 21:28:16 so that would be an option 21:29:44 -!- fazisi is now known as fazuni 21:30:14 -!- us17 has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 21:32:23 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:35:48 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:37:48 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:40:14 -!- Misder has quit [Changing host] 21:42:41 -!- Jarlyk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:44:24 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:49:23 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:51:29 does !might improve constriction dmaage? 21:54:01 i think I asked this before, but why isn't brilliance marked useless for trog worshippers 21:54:24 brainless still has effects 21:55:15 pretty niche 21:55:44 lots of niche items, should they all be marked useless? 21:56:40 I think that's a smaller niche than most 21:56:53 <|amethyst> why is ?random uselessness marked as useless 21:56:57 <|amethyst> it can make butterflies 21:57:14 <|amethyst> (rather... why does it still make butterflies?) 21:57:19 temporary stats to counteract brainlessness isn't even very viable, since you keep clumsy for a while after getting above stat-zero 21:57:58 woah. there's a vault that places two deep elf knights on d:6 21:58:39 -!- HarryHood has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:59:01 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:06 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:07 The build passed. (rimedrake - 279ef66 #4862 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111372747 21:59:07 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:26 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:51 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:02:50 03wheals02 07[resurrection] * 0.18-a0-1324-g44d77b0: Add ontoclasm's tile for Resurrection. 10(26 seconds ago, 3 files, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/44d77b0d3b33 22:02:52 URW is coming to steam 22:03:07 i went with the halo one 22:03:14 we should get crawl on there for reals 22:03:23 wheals: neat 22:04:35 whatever happened to the crawl greenlight thing or wahtever 22:04:47 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:05:09 <|amethyst> every time someone says "URW" I think "URR" 22:05:29 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:05:38 you can tell them apart because urw exists 22:05:48 <|amethyst> dang 22:06:01 i'm just kidding, urr is neat 22:06:07 just, uh, a bit ambitious 22:07:03 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:42 annoying dev of it 22:12:34 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 22:12:44 religion.cc:3883:48: warning: format string is not a string literal (potentially insecure) 22:12:47 [-Wformat-security] 22:12:49 if (!you_worship(GOD_NO_GOD) && !yes_or_no(abandon.c_str())) 22:12:52 ^~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 22:12:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:13:05 abandon is a const string 22:13:05 isn't that a string literal? 22:13:11 <|amethyst> no 22:13:18 <|amethyst> a string literal is between "" 22:13:30 yes_or_no("%s", abandon.c_str()) would be the easy change 22:13:35 <|amethyst> yeah 22:13:58 ok 22:13:59 the compiler is warning you that there might be % escapes in abandon.c_str 22:14:22 ah, thanks 22:15:06 here's a little patch http://dpaste.com/1563VQV 22:15:16 because I just accidentally worshipped another god as a Be 22:15:20 <|amethyst> oh 22:15:23 <|amethyst> you can simplify 22:15:47 <|amethyst> yes_or_no("Are you sure you want to abandon %s?", god_name(you.religion).c_str()) 22:17:28 <|amethyst> hmm 22:18:11 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about requiring "yes" here, but requiring "yy" in Renounce Religion 22:18:39 YY, i think 22:19:08 <|amethyst> ah, right 22:19:11 -!- HalfStep has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:19:13 <|amethyst> I guess maybe depending on options 22:21:34 I wanted something different to the previous prompt 22:21:45 when you abandon a religion you're prompted twice 22:21:51 i wanted something approximately that difficult 22:22:35 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:22:47 <|amethyst> maybe another yesno then 22:23:17 <|amethyst> (in which case you will need make_stringf, since yesno takes just one C string rather than protinf-like stuff 22:23:20 <|amethyst> s/protinf/printf/ 22:23:31 well, I think one yes = two YY 22:23:46 <|amethyst> this is actually Yyes 22:23:56 <|amethyst> since you have to answer Y to the question about worshipping first 22:24:00 yeah, which I think is the best of all three combinations 22:24:04 since it's two different prompts 22:24:49 <|amethyst> here's what we currently use yes_or_no for: 22:25:14 <|amethyst> enter wizmode, enter explore mode, leave a pan level with a rune, quitting the game, stepping or swapping onto a zot trap 22:25:33 <|amethyst> I question the last two actually 22:25:46 <|amethyst> but I guess I see why, since Y is a movement key 22:26:09 yeah, i was thinking of the zot trap when i remembered it 22:27:18 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 22:27:52 anyway, if you think YY is best I'll change the patch, but that's my reason for preferring Yyes 22:29:02 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 22:30:14 -!- oxeimon has quit [Client Quit] 22:31:41 -!- oxeimon has quit [Client Quit] 22:31:42 |amethyst: incidentally, walking into a tele trap just asks for y 22:31:50 i would love to change that to Y 22:32:06 <|amethyst> amalloy: you can 22:32:13 <|amethyst> amalloy: but it will change all the prompts to require Y 22:32:27 really? there are some that take y and some that take Y currently 22:32:38 <|amethyst> easy_confirm = none 22:32:41 <|amethyst> or 22:32:54 <|amethyst> easy_confirm = all # live dangerously, y everywhere 22:33:08 oh, i thought you meant change it in the source 22:33:09 not my rc 22:33:19 <|amethyst> :P 22:33:22 since another player also remarked he was surprised by this behavior 22:33:30 <|amethyst> you can change it in the source too 22:33:41 <|amethyst> stepping into a tele trap sounds like not "safe" 22:33:48 <|amethyst> so make it so :) 22:34:04 <|amethyst> s/like // 22:34:43 <|amethyst> hm 22:34:58 <|amethyst> so it looks like yesno provides a mechanism for bots to answer the questions 22:35:04 <|amethyst> but yes_or_no does not 22:35:16 <|amethyst> I don't see a reason why it shouldn't, though 22:35:18 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:19 The build passed. (rimedrake - ec80e70 #4863 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111374645 22:35:19 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:41:41 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:42:22 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:43:47 fr: bot named 'boticelli' 22:44:42 -!- oxeimon has quit [Client Quit] 22:45:04 |amethyst: how much do you know about milestones 22:45:23 !lm * noun=sacrifice 22:45:24 No milestones for * (noun=sacrifice). 22:45:29 !lm * verb=sacrifice 22:45:31 39621. [2016-02-24 03:11:00] lawgnome the Fighter (L10 MiFi of Ru) sacrificed drink on turn 8921. (D:10) 22:45:32 -!- virtuosoj has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:46:39 trying to figure out why the H ancestor milestones don't seem to be showing up 22:46:44 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:46:47 !lm * helpal 22:46:48 No keyword 'helpal' 22:46:55 !lm * god~~hepl 22:46:57 1259. [2016-02-24 03:45:32] password the Severer (L17 FoFi of Hepliaklqana) entered the Shoals on turn 30950. (Lair:3) 22:47:06 !lm * god~~hepl s=noun 22:47:07 1259 milestones for * (god~~hepl): 131x Hepliaklqana, 99x Lair, 67x Orc, 27x Vaults, 24x battlemage, 21x Elf, 21x Swamp, 21x Erolcha, 21x Maurice, 20x knight, 19x Depths, 19x Snake, 19x Spider, 18x Duvessa, 18x D, 18x Dowan, 17x Pikel, 16x Psyche, 15x hexer, 15x Zot, 14x Shoals, 14x Joseph, 14x Harold, 14x Grum, 13x Eustachio, 13x Erica, 13x Josephine, 12x Rupert, 12x Snorg, 12x Volcano, 12x Princ... 22:47:17 oh 22:47:19 hm 22:47:37 !lm * god~~hepl noun=hexer 22:47:38 15. [2016-02-24 02:53:39] password the Cleaver (L10 FoFi of Hepliaklqana) hexer (D:9) 22:47:40 !lm * god~~hepl noun=hexer s=verb 22:47:41 15 milestones for * (god~~hepl noun=hexer): 15x ancestor.class 22:48:11 !lm * verb=ancestor.class s=noun 22:48:12 59 milestones for * (verb=ancestor.class): 24x battlemage, 20x knight, 15x hexer 22:48:18 !lm * verb=ancestor.deathswap s=noun 22:48:19 13 milestones for * (verb=ancestor.deathswap): 5x slow, 4x explosive, 2x dispersing, foggy, implosive 22:48:23 there we go 22:48:33 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:48:36 lm * verb=ancestor.deathswap 22:48:40 !lm * verb=ancestor.deathswap 22:48:42 13. [2016-02-24 03:26:53] password the Severer (L15 FoFi of Hepliaklqana) slow (Lair:8) 22:48:49 not sure what the fix is for that 22:49:48 bot named botulism 22:49:49 what needs to be fixed? 22:50:20 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:51:11 it should probably say something like " remembered their ancestor's death as slow. ()" 22:51:21 perhaps s/as/being/ 22:51:25 or as being 22:52:17 that's mark_milestone's second argument, isn't it 22:52:39 !lm * banished x=verb,noun 22:52:41 127092. [2016-02-24 03:51:01] [verb=abyss.enter;noun=Crazy Yiuf] cable2999 the Ducker (L8 TrBe of Trog) was cast into the Abyss! (Crazy Yiuf) (D:4) 22:53:41 hm, I suppose 22:55:08 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:10 !lg * comborobin ghvm s=ikiller 22:59:11 No keyword 'comborobin' 22:59:15 !lg comborobin ghvm s=ikiller 22:59:16 15 games for comborobin (ghvm): 4x a hobgoblin, 2x an adder, a rat, a three-headed hydra, a giant gecko, an orc warrior, a centaur, a jackal, Ceann's ghost, a bat, a gnoll 22:59:35 PleasingFungus: I was the only one that picked foggy? 22:59:46 that's why they call you ol' foggy bottom, probably 23:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:18 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:58 03PleasingFungus02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1499-gfb80fa4: Tweak H milestone text 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 10+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fb80fa41ceda 23:03:46 !source explicit_keymap 23:03:47 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/prompt.h#l10 23:03:59 rebuilding on CPO PF 23:04:15 there's one more big change for the night 23:04:17 hopefully 23:04:20 gonna rework transference 23:04:31 oh yeah? 23:04:47 religion.cc: In function ‘void _join_hepliaklqana()’: 23:04:47 defines.h:280:45: warning: comparison between signed and unsigned integer expressions [-Wsign-compare] 23:04:50 #define ARRAYSZ(x) (sizeof(x) / sizeof(x[0])) 23:04:52 <|amethyst> rename it to "vampirism" 23:04:52 ^ 23:04:55 religion.cc:4011:21: note: in expansion of macro ‘ARRAYSZ’ 23:04:57 for (int i=0; i ^ 23:05:15 wait.. that's MY erro! 23:05:17 <|amethyst> chequers: simplest change is size_t i=0; 23:05:48 <|amethyst> chequers: better would be for (auto &unlock : hepliaklqana_unlocks) and skip the i entirely 23:06:09 <|amethyst> but I guess that depends on whether you use i for anything other than hepliaklqana_unlocks[i] in there 23:07:21 -!- bitcoinbastard has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:07:24 -!- DaneiZERO is now known as DaneiFOURTEEN 23:08:31 yep I do 23:08:42 <|amethyst> "Extensions that are expected to eventually be added to an existing header are provided inside the header, which shall include the standard contents of as if by 23:08:43 i'm reworking the religion.cc patch first 23:08:46 <|amethyst> #include " 23:09:08 <|amethyst> I can tell who wrote this section of the library fundamentals TR 23:09:30 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:31 The build has errored. (master - 73f4075 #4864 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/111376433 23:09:31 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:13:58 |amethyst: http://dpaste.com/2DJRTCA 23:14:12 |amethyst: bonus: http://dpaste.com/31HHAEW 23:15:08 forgive me father for i have sinned. I started an argument about roguelike definition on reddit 23:15:50 fool 23:17:00 lma 23:17:02 <|amethyst> chequers: making me fill in those ?s 23:17:42 <|amethyst> the way region is used is funny 23:17:48 <|amethyst> it only matters whether it is GOTO_MSG 23:17:57 <|amethyst> but I guess that was better than adding another bool 23:18:18 |amethyst: i figured partial documentation would be valuable if committed tbh 23:18:25 <|amethyst> yeah 23:18:43 but I guess you are a polisher, and I knew this about you :) 23:18:53 PleasingFungus: http://dpaste.com/3R6RA4F 23:18:55 <|amethyst> chequers: I'm pretty sure that isn't what interrupt_delays means though 23:19:25 |amethyst: I figured it would be unhelpful to say "Interrupt any active delays" and tried to figure out exactly what a delay was 23:19:38 I thought it was if the player used ` to redo something with a prompt in it 23:19:56 -!- Franz__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:19:56 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:20 chequers: will push in a min 23:21:34 cool 23:22:17 -!- mumra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:22:17 oh! a howler monkey zombie! 23:23:12 -!- eb has quit [] 23:23:13 PleasingFungus: what happens if you leave H and rejoin later 23:23:26 ProzacElf: awesome 23:23:28 <|amethyst> chequers: it stops multi-turn commands like run, rest, repeat-last, multidrop, armour swap, etc 23:23:31 if ineffective 23:23:32 heh 23:23:42 ontoclasm: you keep everything but your piety 23:23:43 well, i saw an actual one too 23:23:46 but i didn't let it wake up 23:23:50 good call 23:25:54 -!- timvisher has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:26:42 -!- Misder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:28:02 <|amethyst> you know, AFAICT true is passed in for the interrupt_delays argument exactly twice (three times now in chequers' patch) 23:28:03 heh 23:28:37 <|amethyst> and it's the first thing done 23:28:49 <|amethyst> couldn't the callers just do the interrupt themselves? 23:29:51 <|amethyst> hm 23:30:05 <|amethyst> all the bool flags that aren't removed could be put into an enum 23:30:58 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:31:34 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:31:46 <|amethyst> so you'd call it as yesno("blah", 'n', YN_CLEAR_AFTER | YN_CPRINTF) 23:32:04 <|amethyst> (where "YN_CPRINTF" corresponds to passing region != GOTO_MSG currently) 23:33:20 <|amethyst> I guess that should be ynflag::clear_after | ynflag::cprintf to be readable 23:34:01 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: found another comment for @crawlcode btw 23:34:07 mm? 23:34:10 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:34:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: checking first to make sure it's not there yet 23:34:17 <|amethyst> but I don't remember having seen it 23:34:25 http://twitter.com/search 23:34:26 enter in 23:34:31 "from:crawlcode " 23:34:39 <|amethyst> oh 23:34:42 :) 23:34:45 even if it was in there, please lemme know 23:34:47 <|amethyst> that's a lot easier than pressing end over and over again 23:34:50 haha 23:35:07 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:35:31 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: tweeted 23:35:49 <|amethyst> I was about to make up some facetious past participle for "tweeted" 23:36:01 twut :p 23:36:03 haha 23:36:05 good tweet 23:36:06 twote 23:36:12 <|amethyst> it was going to be "twat" 23:36:15 <|amethyst> then I realised 23:36:30 ...alt_yes2 23:36:32 what the hell 23:37:01 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: well, you see, unlike yesno this one doesn't take an arbitrary keymap 23:37:35 <|amethyst> err 23:37:48 while we're on the subject of purple items, could wand of random effects be marked dangerous? 23:38:12 sure! 23:39:26 never! 23:39:29 =p 23:39:37 <|amethyst> It's not dangerous if you aim it at a wall sufficiently far away and at such an angle that the reflection or explosion won't hit you or a monster, and the whole area is under a silence 23:40:01 <|amethyst> and that wall isn't a rock wall that blocks LOS between you and part of the level 23:40:37 is macabre finger necklace still supposed to spawn? 23:40:51 yes 23:41:30 <|amethyst> has anyone seen Four Winds in a while either? 23:41:36 <|amethyst> I have a theory 23:41:38 ambrosia is perfectly safe in temple 23:41:39 i have 23:41:42 <|amethyst> hm 23:41:44 i had 4 winds on a recent game 23:41:54 same 23:41:54 !log comborobin spgl won 23:41:54 2. comborobin, XL27 SpGl, T:102252: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/comborobin/morgue-comborobin-20160213-002833.txt 23:41:54 <|amethyst> never mind then 23:41:55 I want to hear the theory 23:41:57 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 23:42:06 macabre is marked as buggy though 23:42:14 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: that they were't being generated because there were no AMU_NOTHINGs to be turned into them 23:42:28 <|amethyst> hmm 23:42:32 odd 23:42:37 <|amethyst> marked as buggy? 23:43:06 Stash search prefixes: {inventory} {artefact} {artifact} {buggy} {jewellery} 23:43:42 <|amethyst> is four winds also so marked? 23:44:25 <|amethyst> yes, it is 23:44:28 -!- oxeimon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:45:18 ? 23:45:32 wands of removedness also show as buggy, i think 23:46:15 i was thinking it'd be nice if they had a flavorful description instead of "ERROR: no description for this thing, maybe it's been removed" or whatever 23:46:37 <|amethyst> or if they were destroyed :) 23:47:26 <|amethyst> but I guess that's tricky to do because of item links 23:47:59 <|amethyst> Yeah, I think they should have a desc as long as they exist 23:48:58 FR, keep xom chess pieces, and give one to CK at the start 23:48:59 <|amethyst> The magic in this wand was long ago rendered obsolete. 23:49:04 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49:15 what happens when you zap a buggy wand 23:49:16 nothing? 23:49:18 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:38 yes, iirc 23:49:43 a little message is all 23:50:15 -!- Gorgo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:06 <|amethyst> hm 23:51:26 <|amethyst> not sure what to do about the 4winds/finger thing 23:51:56 -!- jspengler has quit [] 23:52:06 <|amethyst> would it be reasonable to have {Nothing} as an annotation? 23:52:19 why are we annotating that? 23:53:00 <|amethyst> dat/clua/stash.lua annotates items with their it.ego_type_terse 23:53:01 because artefacts have their base type 23:54:08 <|amethyst> which ultimately calls jewellery_effect_name(item, true) 23:54:28 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 23:54:54 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:54:56 <|amethyst> and jewellery_base_ability_string returns "" for amulet of nothing, so it falls through to a switch with default: return "buggy"; 23:55:45 you could return nothing instead 23:55:48 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 23:57:13 -!- CharlieMurphy has quit [Client Quit]