00:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:23 !apt gr 00:00:23 Gr: Fighting: 1, Short: -1, Long: -1, Axes: -1, Maces: 0, Polearms: -1, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: -1, Armour: 1, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 2, Shields: 1, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 1, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -2, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: -2, Earth: 2, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: -1, Exp: 0, HP: -2, MP: 0 00:00:56 PleasingFungus: how do I get the ancestor's HD? 00:01:14 specifically in mon-info and mon-util 00:01:28 oh, i can get the monster with monster* ancestor = hepliaklqana_ancestor_mon(); 00:02:07 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:02:53 <|amethyst> where are you doing the shuffle exactly? 00:03:44 _join_hep 00:05:07 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:05:55 chequers: important note: the ancestor may or may not exist at any given time 00:06:04 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:05 The build passed. (ukayaw - 5e54b36 #4774 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/110036026 00:06:06 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 00:06:23 <|amethyst> chequers: are you saving this in player properties somewhere? 00:06:33 <|amethyst> chequers: on joining, I mean 00:06:34 PleasingFungus: I'm assuming the functions to check if it resists/sinv are only called if the ancestor exists 00:06:38 |amethyst: yes 00:06:43 um 00:06:46 you.props[RF_KEY] = 11 00:06:52 why not just use get_experience_level()...? 00:07:06 I don't know why you need to go through hepliaklqana_ancestor_mon() 00:07:16 PleasingFungus: I thought it's based on the monster's HD not the player XL 00:08:17 I guess the mon-util function doesn't have access to a specific monster 00:08:32 could make _hepliaklqana_ally_hd() non-static 00:08:40 and mon-info (for sinv) 00:08:49 that might be simpler than this mess 00:08:51 well 00:08:55 mon-info does have HD avialable 00:08:57 *available 00:08:59 it's called "hd" 00:08:59 oh? 00:09:09 c.f.: how sinv works there right now 00:09:17 also important note: ?/m exists 00:09:36 I think making that function non-static is the way to go here 00:09:45 i'll do that 00:10:45 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:48 !tell Lasty https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/469nf6/stone_soup_on_twitch/d03zsl8 is what the common man thinks of ru sacs 00:10:48 amalloy: OK, I'll let lasty know. 00:12:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:33 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:17:45 is there some way I can use you.props data without needing to call it as .get_int() all the time? 00:18:37 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:01 you can save the result of get_int() 00:20:03 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:56 int& foo = you.props[FOO_KEY].get_int(); foo = foo + 1; // or whatever 00:21:14 or anyway i think that should work 00:22:31 -!- glaas has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:22:39 yeah, i'm just using these variables all over the code 00:23:38 <|amethyst> CrawlStoreValue (the thing you get from you.props[foo]) actually has operators to cast whatever types using get_blah 00:23:41 PleasingFungus: http://dpaste.com/19Q3HAM and http://dpaste.com/2B6FVBQ 00:23:51 <|amethyst> meaning you can do just int &foo = you.props[FOO_KEY]; 00:24:09 oh, that makes sense 00:24:54 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 00:25:30 <|amethyst> chequers: unlock_hds is only used in _join_hepliaklqana(), right? 00:25:36 |amethyst: it doesn't seem to implicitly cast in a case like: if (hd >= you.props[HEPLIAKLQANA_RESIST_COLD_KEY].get_int()) 00:25:44 |amethyst: right 00:25:54 <|amethyst> yeah, in that case you need an explicit .get_int() or an explicit cast 00:25:58 rats 00:26:12 <|amethyst> since it doesn't know if you want to convert to int or to short or to what 00:26:50 <|amethyst> chequers: re unlock_hds, I'd make it a local (and non-static) variable in _join_hep 00:27:29 I was hoping to keep the two arrays together, I guess I can put the other one above _join_hep 00:27:45 why non-static? 00:28:01 <|amethyst> the non-static doesn't matter that much 00:28:02 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:28:15 <|amethyst> but basically whether you want to keep around those 12 bytes forever, or only while the function is executing 00:28:22 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:28:22 ah 00:28:32 is there a way to oneline define and shuffle an array? 00:29:24 -!- nosratheno has quit [Quit: Zzzzz] 00:29:36 <|amethyst> not presently anyway 00:30:54 <|amethyst> chequers: you can't move hep_unlocks to just above _join_hep, since it's needed further up in upgrade_hep_ancestor 00:31:18 just discovered that. I'll add a comment and convert the COMPILE_CHECK to an ASSERT 00:31:31 <|amethyst> ? 00:31:45 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:58 <|amethyst> does COMPILE_CHECK on a local array not work? 00:32:06 oh, I assumed not 00:32:22 <|amethyst> as long as the size is known at compile time I think it should 00:32:35 <|amethyst> and since C++ doesn't have C-style variable-length-arrays... 00:32:47 <|amethyst> s/h-a/h a/ 00:32:49 ok yep, it works 00:33:16 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:36:54 hm, it would be nice to now push item and spiked armour stuff into this array now, but that can come later 00:37:37 !tell pleasingfungus https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl-ref/tree/combo_god if you want an actual PR I'll open one 00:37:38 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:39:07 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 00:41:56 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43:35 -!- FireSight has quit [] 00:44:53 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:48:52 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:50:08 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:22 I just realized the pakellas magic potion buff nerfed pakellas for mu 00:52:22 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [] 00:55:25 learn del mu_reasons 00:55:41 -!- bluewall has quit [Client Quit] 00:56:46 ??helpal 00:57:17 ??johnstein 01:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:54 I seem to be unable to train invo even though the Romanticize ability says it's improved by it 01:03:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1350-g404b4cb (34) 01:04:04 !tell pleasingfungus console combo_gods is updated. webtiles is updated, but requires a reboot of the server, which I'll do later tonight when fewer players are logged in. 01:04:04 johnstein: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 01:04:39 any reason why ?? doesn't seem to be working for me in here? was there a change recently or is it just something wrong with my PC and phone IRC clients? 01:04:45 ??trog 01:06:37 ??trog 01:06:44 <|amethyst> ??trog 01:07:11 <|amethyst> !learn q trog 01:07:12 trog[1/8]: God of anger and violence. Expects followers to kill constantly in his name; hates magic and all who practice it. 01:07:15 <|amethyst> trog?? 01:07:24 <|amethyst> I guess that feature was removed 01:08:14 Game keeps crashing with an in-progress character. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10288 by aleksil 01:08:41 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:09:26 that's a beh, isn't it? i don't really know how those work, but maybe someone futzed with it 01:09:47 <|amethyst> !learn q :beh:[1] 01:09:47 :beh:[1/25]: $bot: help ::: $(ldb help) 01:09:49 <|amethyst> !learn q :beh:[2] 01:09:49 :beh:[2/25]: cang ::: cang 01:09:50 <|amethyst> !learn q :beh:[3] 01:09:50 :beh:[3/25]: <<<([^!]|^)\bgong\b>>> ::: $(weighted-rand 40:GONNNNG BOUMMMMG PTOANNNG PANG SHROANNG)! ::: continue 01:09:53 <|amethyst> !learn q :beh:[4] 01:09:53 :beh:[4/25]: /me >>> ::: $(if (not (rand 100)) (if (match Sequell $after) "/me $(replace Sequell $user $after)" "/me also $after")) ::: continue 01:09:55 <|amethyst> !learn q :beh:[5] 01:09:55 :beh:[5/25]: r\?\? ::: $(randnth $(ldb-search-entries .)) ::: last 01:10:03 <|amethyst> r??trog 01:10:18 <|amethyst> cang 01:10:18 uhh 01:10:18 Yer amulet o' regeneration glows black fer a momn't. _Yer foreclaws be bound. Ye be moderately bound. 01:10:39 does this imply that in batform i'm hanging on to my amulet with my....wings? 01:10:53 my little feet? 01:12:42 -!- Naruni has quit [] 01:13:31 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: it's talking about you melded weapon in the "foreclaws" bit 01:13:38 weird 01:13:59 why would it give me that message for cursing the amulet? 01:15:49 sorry, I don't accept bug reports in foreign languages 01:16:28 <|amethyst> I'm guessing a bug related to bondage calculation for melded equipment 01:18:36 huh 01:18:55 chequers: do i have to use australian idioms or something/ 01:18:57 ? 01:19:36 yes mate 01:19:58 checkmate australians 01:20:14 i just said i'm australian, not czech 01:20:30 also I didn't touch the bondage calculations so it's probably an old bug 01:20:47 that would be australian checks, mate 01:22:21 ProzacElf: i can't replicate it 01:22:33 <|amethyst> chequers: are you in bat form? 01:23:03 yes 01:23:11 ah yes 01:23:33 if your weapon is cursed, and you curse something else while in a form, you get a message about your weapon 01:23:36 or perhaps anything melded 01:24:35 hm 01:24:35 You finish putting on your +0 pair of boots. 01:24:38 Your weapon hand is bound but not your shield hand. 01:24:45 that's without a form 01:24:53 apparently the game just likes telling me this 01:25:37 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:25:42 weapon is the most important slot, after ll 01:26:56 <|amethyst> aha 01:27:05 ??ll 01:27:10 <|amethyst> else if (cursed[s] > slots[s]) 01:27:10 <|amethyst> new_bondage[s] = 3; 01:27:59 i remember trying to understand that function when writing hand-cursing, and despite |amethyst patiently explaining it at least twice I still didn't get it 01:31:00 !tell gammafunk merge meee https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/193 01:31:00 chequers: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 01:31:09 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:31:18 -!- molotove has quit [Client Quit] 01:31:33 <|amethyst> hmm 01:31:43 question 01:31:49 <|amethyst> no, this actually changed the bondage level of my hands 01:31:54 how come hepli has the same colored altar as ru 01:32:53 oh right. my weapon was already cursed 01:33:10 <|amethyst> my bondage levels were 2, 2, 0, 1, then cursing my body armour made that 3, 3, 0, 1 01:33:30 <|amethyst> (those are weapon, shield, armour, jewels) 01:33:45 -!- molotove has quit [Client Quit] 01:38:12 <|amethyst> oh, I think I may see where this is coming from 01:38:22 <|amethyst> well, one place this may be coming from 01:38:41 <|amethyst> let's say you had a 1H weapon and a shield cursed in your normal form 01:38:51 <|amethyst> and let's say your normal form is human 01:39:15 <|amethyst> your bondage level for weapon and shield is {2, 2} 01:39:22 <|amethyst> now you become a bat 01:39:32 <|amethyst> your 1H weapon is probably 2H now 01:39:45 <|amethyst> so your bondage level is at least {3, 2} 01:39:57 <|amethyst> that's an increase over what it was last time it was calculated 01:40:04 <|amethyst> so it gets reported 01:42:38 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:42:53 obscure 01:43:03 imagining a bat with a buckler now 01:45:09 -!- Hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:47:06 <|amethyst> not sure if this is the only problem, but this particular one looks like it wouldn't happen with formicids 01:49:36 i did also have a buckler 01:51:08 <|amethyst> I think it doesn't actually depend on having the shield, just having a weapon that's 1H in your base form 01:51:37 <|amethyst> since even daggers are two-handed for SIZE_TINY 01:54:46 <|amethyst> chequers: the message about your hand after putting on the boots... 01:55:00 <|amethyst> chequers: had you just changed back to normal form before doing that? 01:57:38 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:06 <|amethyst> btw, I think this is mildly exploitable 02:02:07 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:02:30 <|amethyst> hm, maybe not quite 02:02:58 <|amethyst> it would let your hands be fully bound even though you are wielding just a 1H weapon 02:03:24 <|amethyst> but I guess it's not exploitable, because if you then put on a shield your bondage would be recalculated 02:04:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:15:50 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:23:19 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:24:19 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1351-gaffb144: Correct hand bondage calculation for small forms (ProzacElf) 10(18 minutes ago, 8 files, 16+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/affb1442906c 02:25:05 hm 02:26:19 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:29:17 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:36:57 kinky 02:37:37 indeed 02:42:00 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:57 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:07 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:47:23 -!- Rotatell has quit [Remote host closed the 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Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 03:33:45 I think I've started to notice Hep's conduct 03:34:18 what conduct? 03:34:26 you don't gain as much xp 03:34:31 ah 03:34:48 but that's true for summoners, beogh and yred worshippers, too 03:34:50 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:44:07 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:46:53 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:47:33 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:01 -!- infrashortfoo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:14 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:14 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:18:09 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:20:04 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:23:38 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 04:25:20 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:34:07 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:35:03 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:36:38 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:37:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:18:12 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:18:34 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:19:17 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:19:54 !tell PleasingFungus first person to win a hep game! 05:19:54 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:22:01 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:23:00 !tell PleasingFungus Went with a knight for the ancestor; one thing I noticed was that you generally don't want the ancestor around except when needed because it steals away some of your exp, and thus ironically meaning the fastest way to get your ancestor stronger is to never use it 05:23:01 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:24:26 isn't ancestor classing supposed to happen at ***? 05:25:03 FIQ: No, ** 05:25:06 mkay 05:25:06 *** is Romanticize 05:25:10 !tell PleasingFungus Was still able to ding XL27 before Zot:$, although it was as a HO and required me to do everything outside of Extended and then Slime to boot (although I think I would have dinged XL27 before Zot:$ even without the Slime EXP) 05:25:10 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:25:12 so monks get it right away 05:25:21 nice 05:27:02 !tell PleasingFungus HD18 knight is kind of absurd; even without using Romanticize to heal it back up it still stood a good chance of killing an orb of fire 1v1, same thing with elec golems, and ripped ancient liches to pieces pretty easily 05:27:02 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:28:04 -!- infrashortfoo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:28:31 !tell PleasingFungus Maybe the XP part could become a conduct of some sort? 05:28:32 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 05:33:38 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:52:51 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 05:58:50 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 06:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08:31 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:23:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:25:38 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:29:27 !tell PleasingFungus Small bug/feature: gear of your ancestor is identified, together with same gear on the floor. 06:29:27 Xenobreeder: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:33:23 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:35:33 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 06:39:18 !tell PleasingFungus Actually it's worse: the items are sometimes duplicated on the floor. 06:39:19 Xenobreeder: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:40:09 !tell PleasingFungus http://pastebin.com/sBE6hf2V 06:40:10 Xenobreeder: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 06:40:18 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 06:45:25 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:47:40 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:04 -!- Siegurt has quit [Client Quit] 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infrashortfoo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:15 Gozag doesn't bribe elves in Hall of Blades 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10289 by kirsanium 09:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:51 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:05:38 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:08:47 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:14:00 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 09:16:30 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:19:20 <|amethyst> @??deep elf mage 09:20:03 -!- Gretell has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:06 <|amethyst> @??deep elf kight 09:20:09 <|amethyst> @??deep elf mage 09:20:09 unknown monster: "deep elf kight" 09:20:12 deep elf mage (06e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 35-47 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 570 | Sp: b.cold (3d17), throw icicle (3d17), sum.ice beast, blink / b.draining (3d17), sum.demon, sum.vermin, blink / b.fire (3d17), sticky flame range (3d5), sum.fire elementals, blink / b.lightning (3d16), blink / b.magma (3d17), stone arrow (3d15), sum.earth elemen.. 09:20:13 <|amethyst> @??deep elf knight 09:20:15 <|amethyst> @??deep elf archer 09:20:18 deep elf knight (10e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 43-58 | AC/EV: 1/16 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 803 | Sp: stone arrow (3d18), mystic blast (3d16), haste / throw icicle (3d20), haste, invisibility | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 09:20:22 deep elf archer (07e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-57 | AC/EV: 3/15 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, master archer, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 664 | Sp: blink away, slow, confuse, repel missiles | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 09:23:23 huh, an apis showed up in depths 09:23:27 a real apis, no less 09:23:50 <|amethyst> there are a few vaults that have them 09:27:33 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:32:15 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Remote host closed the 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(Vaults:5) 09:40:40 <|amethyst> !tell wheals I suspect #10288 is related to the local tiles menu change... when I look at the % or ? screens, I get junk at the top of the screen, then a crash later. 09:40:41 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 09:41:56 <|amethyst> !tell wheals crash seems to be in TextRegion's destructor 09:41:56 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 09:46:16 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:47:18 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:50:38 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:51:51 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:15 -!- infrashortfoo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:25 <|amethyst> wheals: (maybe it's unrelated, but I don't think anything else has touched tiles code recently) 09:55:32 <|amethyst> s/tiles/local tiles/ 09:55:37 what happened 09:55:38 wheals: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 09:55:40 !messages 09:55:41 (1/2) |amethyst said (15m ago): I suspect #10288 is related to the local tiles menu change... when I look at the % or ? screens, I get junk at the top of the screen, then a crash later. 09:55:44 !messages 09:55:44 (1/1) |amethyst said (13m 48s ago): crash seems to be in TextRegion's destructor 09:55:56 well then 09:56:01 %git :/ocal tiles 09:56:01 07wheals02 * 0.18-a0-1325-g3f755e8: Local tiles: don't remove lines for the -more- and title twice. 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f755e8f9c12 09:56:03 <|amethyst> let me upload my crash log 09:56:24 <|amethyst> (since aleksil's is Windows it doesn't have a backtrace) 09:56:54 it's possible that i shouldn't have removed - title_height() 09:57:07 i can't remember now whether that does get accounted for 09:59:46 <|amethyst> oh nice 09:59:57 <|amethyst> apparently it corrupted the heap enough to crash valgrind 10:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:09 wow 10:00:26 i'd say just revert it if nobody knows this code well enough to fix it 10:02:46 <|amethyst> backtrace and valgrind uploaded 10:02:55 <|amethyst> looks like a revert does fix it 10:03:12 <|amethyst> but 10:04:26 <|amethyst> it's kind of bad if making the pagesize too big in menu.cc causes a crash in tiles code 10:04:46 <|amethyst> let me try valgrind on the revert version 10:04:46 #justcrawlthings 10:05:35 <|amethyst> oh hey 10:05:46 <|amethyst> there is still a valgrind error after the revert, but not as bad 10:06:23 guess that's been around forever probably :P 10:06:31 <|amethyst> ==20724== Invalid read of size 1 10:06:32 <|amethyst> ==20724== at 0x87BEC89: InventoryRegion::pack_buffers() (tilereg-inv.cc:56) 10:06:37 <|amethyst> ==20724== Address 0xcdc1088 is 0 bytes after a block of size 72 alloc'd 10:06:37 <|amethyst> ==20724== at 0x4029DFC: operator new[](unsigned int) (vg_replace_malloc.c:383 10:06:40 <|amethyst> ) 10:06:43 <|amethyst> ==20724== by 0x87BE0C6: GridRegion::on_resize() (tilereg-grid.cc:60) 10:09:01 <|amethyst> the relevant lines for that are: 10:09:09 <|amethyst> tileidx_t t = env.tile_default.floor + m_flavour[i] % num_floor; 10:09:19 <|amethyst> where m_flavour was allocated as m_flavour = new unsigned char[mx * my]; 10:09:29 <|amethyst> and i is 0 + (m_grid_page*mx*my - m_grid_page*2) 10:09:59 <|amethyst> oh, i starts at that value 10:10:08 -!- fallenxxxsky has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:10:13 <|amethyst> and is incremented mx*my tiles 10:10:30 <|amethyst> s/tiles/times/ 10:12:06 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:13:15 <|amethyst> hm 10:13:26 <|amethyst> well, I don't think I have time at the moment to investigate that, but 10:13:35 <|amethyst> I can at least push the revert 10:14:32 <|amethyst> wheals: I kind of wonder whether the -1 is the problem 10:14:39 <|amethyst> wheals: rather than the whole thing 10:15:18 the -1 especially worries me since the more is not always 1 row 10:15:23 for example, on the shop menu 10:15:27 <|amethyst> hm 10:15:35 but it didn't crash in my tests for it, so... 10:15:39 <|amethyst> but MenuRegion::maxpagesize does seem to take both into account 10:15:48 <|amethyst> oh 10:16:00 <|amethyst> maxpagesize counts the more it looks like 10:16:06 <|amethyst> but I can't see where it counts the title 10:16:15 yeah i think i misread it 10:16:20 <|amethyst> so let me try 10:17:42 <|amethyst> hm, no 10:18:05 <|amethyst> just changing it to pagesize = max_pagesize - title_height(); doesn't give me the junk at the top of the page 10:18:17 <|amethyst> but I still gt a double free and a crash 10:18:32 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:21:45 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1352-g62dae19: Revert "Local tiles: don't remove lines for the -more- and title twice." (#10288) 10(27 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62dae190788a 10:22:34 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Quit: Specialization is for Insects] 10:23:06 <|amethyst> wheals: did you close anything when you committed 3f755e8? 10:23:11 <|amethyst> wheals: if so I can re-open 10:23:38 no, it was just PF pointing out that stuff looked ugly 10:23:52 and it turned out it had always looked like that 10:33:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1353-gf2a912f: Add generated grind.log to .gitignore 10(32 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f2a912f44c85 10:34:38 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:39:15 -!- radinms_ has quit [] 10:39:20 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:42:03 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:10 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:52:00 -!- West1C_ has quit [] 10:53:54 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:58:01 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:59:09 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:06 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:56 -!- Culka has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:02:45 -!- thrig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:03:19 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:08:52 -!- _Dash_Nine_ is now known as DashNine 11:08:52 -!- knu has quit [Quit: Reboot...] 11:09:50 -!- infrashortfoo has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:56 -!- DashNine has quit [Client Quit] 11:15:25 !tell PleasingFungus If the ancestor locks on an invisible target it just stops moving and does nothing while the target is alive. 11:15:25 Xenobreeder: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:18:51 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:07 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:56 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:37:38 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:37:41 -!- Kellhus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:43:23 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:23 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:34 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 12:00:59 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:24 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:50 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:17:18 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:22:13 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:25:12 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:59 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1353-gf2a912f (34) 12:28:30 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:48 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 12:32:06 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:32:24 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:42:04 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:48:44 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:24 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:06 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:24 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:07:50 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:16:01 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:17:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:17:35 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:19:59 -!- Goon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:21:41 Oroborous (L24 DsGl) ASSERT(you.see_cell(target())) in 'directn.cc' at line 1193 failed. (Vaults:5) 13:25:51 -!- Goon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:28 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:33:04 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:35:44 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:41:41 !learn add lasty_to_do[1 Look over https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10255 13:41:42 lasty to do[1/5]: Look over https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10255 13:45:28 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:47:07 -!- Goon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:49:19 !crashlog 13:49:20 13029. 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(Spider:4) 15:22:04 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 15:24:57 Ultros (L17 DECj) ASSERT(!aimed_at_feet || source == target) in 'beam.cc' at line 625 failed. (Spider:4) 15:29:42 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:32:11 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:34:04 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35:17 -!- Dakoteus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:42:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:42:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:45:04 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:06 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47:36 -!- Harudoku has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52:59 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:54:46 Azmund (L13 DsGl) ASSERT(hepliaklqana_ancestor() == MID_NOBODY) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 2610 failed. (Lair:4) 15:55:27 Azmund (L13 DsGl) ASSERT(hepliaklqana_ancestor() == MID_NOBODY) in 'mon-death.cc' at line 2610 failed. 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Use !messages to read it. 18:30:24 what's their meta consist of? 18:30:30 you https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=19180&view=unread#unread 18:31:00 yred is considered by far the best midgame god 18:31:25 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:31:41 <|amethyst> these diagrams would be so much easier to understand if they used letters 18:31:49 <|amethyst> rather than tiles :) 18:32:35 i guess the beogh thing isn't actually real 18:32:54 i think they just like ally gods 18:36:10 my evil plan is working... 18:36:13 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:36:23 every time i see that diagram i remember it uses tiles, and i just give up 18:36:38 chequers: i've often heard that ckr is unnervingly obsessed with shephereding allies around 18:38:41 !lg * lld current / god=beogh|yred 18:38:42 40/4979 games for * (lld current): N=40/4979 (0.80%) 18:38:46 !lg * !lld current / god=beogh|yred 18:38:48 4107/430878 games for * (!lld current): N=4107/430878 (0.95%) 18:39:25 !lg * ckr current / god=beogh|yred 18:39:26 No games for * (ckr current). 18:39:31 !lg * ckr recent / god=beogh|yred 18:39:32 No games for * (ckr recent). 18:39:37 rip logfiles? 18:39:45 oh cwz right 18:39:50 !lg * cwz current / god=beogh|yred 18:39:52 561/62344 games for * (cwz current): N=561/62344 (0.90%) 18:39:54 !lg * !cwz current / god=beogh|yred 18:39:55 3586/373519 games for * (!cwz current): N=3586/373519 (0.96%) 18:40:18 !lg * cwz recent / god=yred 18:40:19 757/167261 games for * (cwz recent): N=757/167261 (0.45%) 18:40:20 !lg * !cwz recent / god=yred 18:40:22 4636/1049206 games for * (!cwz recent): N=4636/1049206 (0.44%) 18:40:53 maybe it's just a trend among better players there? 18:41:25 or some individual players with influence 18:42:22 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:42:27 oh yes 18:42:42 can't keep track of kr renames 18:42:58 might just be a temporary meme us westerners randomly picked up and assumed was a long term thing 18:45:57 "us westerners". don't try to associate yourself with us, you wacky kiwi 18:49:03 hey! 18:49:08 ...also distinct from US westerners >.> 18:50:01 -!- zol has quit [Disconnected by services] 18:58:01 chequers: to be fair, the ally gods are pretty good 18:58:27 well, Yred is really good, and Beogh means you're a HO 18:58:31 which is really good 18:59:11 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:59:57 yeah, Hepli has to compete with Yred's undead gifts and Beogh's orcs 19:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:49 and you only have one ancestor while you can have 3 (total) bone dragons and profane servitors or as many orc warlords as you can level up/raise 19:02:21 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:02:27 the Great Korean Beogh Obsession turned out to be 3 or 4 people, iirc 19:02:38 which is pretty funny 19:03:17 it's probably time for another trunk updates post 19:03:30 i'll draft something up? 19:03:54 I can poke at it 19:04:43 hi WebFungus 19:04:49 !lg . combogod log 19:04:50 No keyword 'combogod' 19:04:56 !lg . experimental 19:04:57 26. Lightli the Executioner (L27 HOGl of Hepliaklqana), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2016-02-18 10:16:56, with 2390588 points after 68546 turns and 2:18:00. 19:05:04 dang... 19:05:08 first to win him 19:05:12 nice! 19:05:18 what ally type did you choose? 19:05:22 knight 19:05:29 knight might be a bit too good 19:06:08 !log Lightli hogl 19:06:08 26. Lightli, XL27 HOGl, T:68546: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Lightli/morgue-Lightli-20160218-101656.txt 19:06:10 I commented by doing !tell towards your PleasingFungus name 19:06:27 I'll take a look when I get home 19:06:31 never used swap, huh 19:07:09 I forgot it existed, but it doesn't really go well when both you and it want to melee things 19:07:40 yeah 19:08:06 that's one of my big current concerns 19:08:10 might be better if you pick the battlemage, so you can drag it out of melee and yourself into melee at the same time 19:09:00 possible 19:09:03 (for reference, the knight ancestor was able to twice, without healing, kill an orb of fire without dying itself or with any help from me) 19:09:10 lol 19:09:10 nice 19:09:59 hasted +9 broad axe of speed running off of base 30 damage is really good melee damage it turns out 19:11:08 haha 19:11:43 one thing I did notice was that the ancestor ate some of your exp away because it was an ally 19:11:48 and so you have the usual summon issue going on 19:11:52 yeah 19:11:55 that seems okay to me 19:12:22 WebFungus: i sent a !tell to pleasingfungus 19:12:23 !tell marvinpa !degen reducing all stats by 3 might cause stat-zero for certain starts 19:12:23 chequers: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 19:12:28 the issue is that makes it so the fastest way to improve your ancestor is to not actually bring him 19:12:35 i heard you've met him 19:12:45 I will deal with all tells when I'm home 19:12:55 warning: there are quite a few tells 19:12:59 yes 19:13:00 I know 19:13:21 Lightli: equally, the fastest way to improve summoning is to not use it 19:13:24 assuming 19:13:36 that you do not actually need the ancestor to win fights, or that it doesn't provide any significant advantage 19:13:41 yeah 19:13:47 seems like a non-issue. 19:14:34 ??yred 19:15:06 if you really want to shun your ancestor, it's pretty trivial 19:15:07 so w/e 19:15:34 sa feedback got me real down and so i'm a bit of a funk about the whole god project, tbh. 19:15:43 RIP 19:15:46 ya rip. 19:15:54 I haven't even made my own post yet 19:15:56 probably just gonna retire from crawl now. 19:16:54 there's not even much feedback from SA 19:17:10 WebFungus: http://dpaste.com/3RKS68T 19:17:32 wow, it *has* been a while since we put up a post, hasn't it? 19:17:41 send me a tell, I'll look at it when I get home. 19:17:48 !tell pleasingfungus http://dpaste.com/3RKS68T 19:17:49 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:18:04 also ty :) 19:18:12 there's not much to be real down about 19:18:13 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:18:25 !tell pleasingfungus the tense of that changes randomly between present/past depending on how I felt at the time 19:18:26 chequers: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:18:53 WebFungus: what's the SA feedback? allys suck? 19:19:04 ya 19:19:25 one person saying that ally AI isn't very good with battlemages, and then he posted again saying that when he tried the knight ancestor the AI worke dmuch better 19:19:30 lol 19:19:33 I only saw the first part 19:19:36 well, I think they're missing the point. People really enjoy playing with allies, like they *really* enjoy it 19:19:45 then he said right afterward that the knight ancestor is kind of overpowered 19:19:53 nerfs all around 19:20:04 I have a sense that if this god has a breadth of experiences this might be one of the most popular gods 19:20:12 chequers: wellllll, the argument was that they weren't having fun playing with this (or were being frustrated by it) 19:20:31 but I guess I should actually check for the full feedback 19:21:01 I dunno, I feel there's a great core in this god (an ally which has no hard fail (eg permadeath)) 19:21:31 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:21:48 I guess the issue is that the battlemage could use a higher spellcasting frequency so it's more reliable in damage output? 19:22:06 gonna put the branch on CPO 19:22:14 clearly, make it use the maintain_distance ai 19:22:43 <|amethyst> WebFungus: completely ignoring gameplay for the moment, I really like the updated flavour 19:22:48 q: what about hexer? a: no one chooses hexer, don't be absurd. 19:22:55 |amethyst: be sure to send thanks to ontoclasm :) 19:23:14 I could see a high-XL hexer be very useful 19:23:30 when I was designing this, hexer was the one I was most worried about being overpowered 19:23:40 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm PF tells me I should thank you for Hep's "ancestor" flavour... I really like it 19:23:40 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 19:23:58 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:23:59 I don't think you have to worry about hexer being too op 19:24:31 like, getting the HD/MR curve juuust right will be tricky, but it's ultimately just quantitative 19:24:42 hah 19:24:51 -!- ontoclasm1 is now known as ontoclasm 19:25:16 yeah, there's a lot of things that hexer will fall flat against just on account of having magic immunity, and if you don't hit XL27 before Zot the poor thing won't do much outside of wreck draconian packs 19:25:40 nothing wrong with wrecking drac packs. 19:25:43 @??orb guardian 19:25:43 Orb Guardian (06X) | Spd: 14 | HD: 15 | HP: 71-96 | AC/EV: 13/13 | Dam: 45 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 2770 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 19:25:52 @??storm dragon 19:25:52 storm dragon (12D) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 87-121 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 25, 1509(claw), 1507(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2026 | Sp: b.lightning (3d19) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 19:25:56 good point 19:26:07 @??draconian knight 19:26:07 mottled draconian knight (10q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 94-131 | AC/EV: 22/11 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 04napalm | XP: 1741 | Sp: b.cold (3d25), throw icicle (3d25), haste, invisibility, armour | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 19:26:13 mmmm 19:26:17 idk 19:26:22 all is in flux. 19:26:30 it's the sort of thing that needs testing 19:27:06 sure 19:27:11 ??hexer 19:27:15 I need to add milestones for ally type/death choices 19:27:41 is sequell still broken 19:27:56 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-1354-gbc5753f: 14d2d9b, the sequel 10(39 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bc5753f2e7a3 19:28:01 ya 19:28:08 !learn q dcss_forks 19:28:09 I don't have a page labeled dcss_forks in my learndb. 19:28:26 <|amethyst> ??fork 19:28:29 amalloy: how time flies... 19:28:31 <|amethyst> !lear q fork 19:28:33 !learn q fork 19:28:33 I don't have a page labeled fork in my learndb. 19:28:40 !king lear q fork 19:28:40 !learn add dcss_forks https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17775 19:28:41 dcss forks[1/1]: https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17775 19:28:53 ??dcss forks 19:28:54 no crawl light, crawl alternative...? 19:29:01 what are those 19:29:02 Lightli: ?? is donw 19:29:05 rip 19:29:08 chequers: old 19:29:12 !learn q crawl alternative 19:29:13 crawl alternative[1/4]: A very old (pre-Stone-Soup) and apparently abandoned fork of Crawl: http://www.interq.or.jp/libra/oohara/crawl-alternative/ or https://github.com/crawl/crawl-ancient/tree/alternative 19:29:17 !learn q crawl light 19:29:18 crawl light[1/3]: A fork of Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. https://github.com/dtsund/crawl-light for source, http://inari.aerdan.org/~dtsund/cl_downloads/ for builds. | IRC channel at #CrawlLight. 19:29:42 !learn edit dcss_forks https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17775 {crawl light} 19:29:43 Syntax is: !learn edit TERM[NUM] s/// 19:29:50 !learn set dcss_forks[1] https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17775 {crawl light} 19:29:50 dcss forks[1/1]: https://github.com/tmhedberg/dcss-ehe https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=17775 {crawl light} 19:29:56 i'm very curious about that guy's spell level changes 19:30:12 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:13 which that guy 19:30:32 the tavern thread 19:30:39 wow, the later revisions mentioned are much weirder 19:30:47 HELL DWARVES 19:30:51 ABYSSAL KITTIES 19:30:55 yes 19:31:26 https://github.com/JoePaulsen/CrawlSemiSprint/commit/874619e1b7648e98cdbe53034aa1c7b7b8a942e3 19:31:55 huh 19:31:59 seems sort of arbitrary 19:32:06 the altars change likewise 19:32:15 well, it is a one-man fork 19:32:29 sure 19:32:43 it's funny how it changes from "common frequent requests" in the first post to "weird random shit" by the third 19:33:07 anyway 19:33:08 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:34:13 <|amethyst> hm, I guess Transference's fail rate doesn't improve unless I switch gods? 19:35:20 WebFungus: One thing I'll remark is that the ancestor is holding up even in Zot:$ 19:35:47 <|amethyst> ah, I see that mentioned by Shard1967 in the scrollback 19:35:52 I recalled the time I sent my entire Yred army in and it was basically eaten by about 2 orbs of fire and an electric golem 19:35:58 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:36:02 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 19:36:05 ??maxwell's silver hammer 19:36:30 -!- molotove1 has quit [Client Quit] 19:36:51 and my Beogh win had me basically lose all my orcs save for the one warlord sitting in CPA 19:36:53 <|amethyst> chequers: temp vorpal brand only for blunt weapons 19:37:05 no longer exists 19:37:21 yup 19:37:22 <|amethyst> Charms/Earth level 2 19:37:37 <|amethyst> !learn q :beh: 19:37:38 :beh:[1/25]: $bot: help ::: $(ldb help) 19:37:44 <|amethyst> !readall :beh: 19:37:49 undefined method `+' for nil:NilClass in $(+ ) in $(apply + $(map $(fn (x) $(r... in $(roll-dice ${n} ${d}) in $(ldb ${x} ${n}) in $(ldbent-text $(ldb ${x} ${n... in $(entry ${1} ${n}) in $($(fn (n) $(entry ${1} ${n}... in $(map $(fn (n) $(entry ${1} ... in $(join $(concat ${*:-/} )... 19:38:00 <|amethyst> oh, well then 19:38:01 has anyone pinged the snark about sequell 19:38:31 greensnark: sequell is broken in ##crawl-dev when you try ??query (but !learn q query works) 19:39:23 <|amethyst> ??larnan 19:39:32 <|amethyst> ??lernen 19:39:37 <|amethyst> hm 19:39:46 clang?? 19:39:49 <|amethyst> cang 19:39:51 cang 19:39:59 wow it's broken 19:40:06 <|amethyst> Sequell: help 19:40:07 both forward and reverse fail, whee 19:40:15 <|amethyst> I guess :beh:s are broken 19:40:15 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 19:40:23 !singularity Grunt 19:40:23 Lightli gestures wildly while chanting. Space collapses on itself with a satisfying crunch. The singularity violently warps Grunt! 19:40:27 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:41:03 <|amethyst> �learn add blah blah 19:41:56 !glaciate Lightli 19:41:56 Grunt points at Lightli and mumbles some strange words. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs Lightli! 19:45:05 !lg . won min=xl 19:45:05