00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:15 -!- Henzell has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:01:53 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:02:30 -!- Henzell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:31 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:03:09 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:05:03 -!- Krenium has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:17 -!- dtsund has left ##crawl-dev 00:23:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:27:55 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:27 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1323-g706dcef (34) 00:31:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:34 -!- Blade- has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:58 this question exposes my ignorance in many ways, but: is all of crawl written in c++? 00:45:03 there's some lua 00:45:07 lil bit of python 00:45:34 and arguably some makefile language, depending on how you want to define things 00:45:49 but yeah it's almost all c++ 00:45:50 why? 00:46:36 My university teaches coding classes in c++, which I was mildly disgruntled about because I don't love the language. then it was a pleasant surprise when I opened crawl source 00:46:58 it means that I might be able to fiddle around with crawl code and get better at coding that way. and maybe eventually contribute something minor 00:47:28 sure 00:47:47 I think we have an 'implementables' category on mantis if you want ideas 00:48:58 yes, though I can't link to it and there are some very old entries 00:49:57 sounds good. My coding skill is ... lacking, currently, but crawl code sounds like a more fun/intuitive way to learn than other code. and I can think of at least a few side things to write that could have some use 00:50:34 ??implementable 00:50:34 implementable ~ implementables[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/search.php?project_id=1&category=Implementables&sticky_issues=on&sortby=last_updated&dir=DESC&highlight_changed=12&hide_status_id=80 00:50:40 time to get gruntled then 00:50:41 <.< 00:51:22 another good way to find things to do is hang around in here 00:51:26 yes 00:51:48 eg anytime you see a commit by Grunt there's a chance fora bugfix 00:51:48 lots of people just post one line mini-feature requests for something that's not too hard to do 00:52:23 !banish amalloy 00:52:24 Grunt casts a spell. amalloy is cast into the Abyss! 00:52:31 here's a pretty simple FR https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=19106&view=unread&sid=0094fcab17af02165060778da6d12993#unread 00:52:50 just changing a string. It would introduce you to github + pull request + crawl's code layout 00:53:13 ooh! that looks fun 00:53:46 right now, I'm trying to take the spell data from 100 recent games to see which spells are used most and least, and at which xls 00:53:47 Blade-: another approach to take is to do what I did initially and keep an eye out for simple bugs to fix :) 00:54:03 ok, that would be a cool little project 00:54:17 which is a project barely within my skill range that I am curious enough about to try and fiddle with. from there, working on simple fixes sounds fun :) 00:54:20 there's no real information about spell/item use except anecdote 00:54:27 are you reading morgue files to do this? 00:54:46 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:54:54 well... that was the part where I cheated a bit and just manually opened 100 morgues and copied the relevant info 00:55:02 because I don't know how to automate that sort of thing 00:55:07 :) 00:55:39 this is why the number is only 100 instead of, say, every 0.18 game 00:55:39 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 00:56:45 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:09 ping me when you get that data btw, really interested to see it 00:57:13 I am tied for second in number of implementables reported 00:57:18 *open implementables 00:57:54 will do. I'm also really curious to see how the spread looks 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:46 Rewrite notes.cc 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10282 by PleasingFungus 01:01:13 there are quite a lot of files that could use the 'rewrite x.cc' treatment, but notes is uniquely small & standalone 01:01:19 wrt ^ 01:01:28 not necessarily a suggestion for a new coder, just a thing 01:01:29 !send beam.cc PleasingFungus 01:01:29 Sending PleasingFungus to beam.cc. 01:01:32 ha ha ha 01:01:38 also mon-tentacle.cc imo 01:01:55 not to be confused with mom-tentacle.cc 01:02:00 totally different game there 01:02:08 mon-pentacle.cc 01:02:09 the one I'd love for someone to tackle is 01:02:11 !bug 10167 01:02:12 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10167 01:02:18 0010167: Refactor of mons_cast() to treat spell implementations as data 01:02:36 aka "giant switchicide" 01:02:43 probably simplest to start with some category of spells, conjurations or hexes 01:02:52 and pull a bunch of them into a structure 01:03:06 <|amethyst> mon-zap-data.h 01:03:11 just so 01:03:17 <|amethyst> hm 01:03:18 |amethyst: why not pull into one unified zap 01:03:20 goal should be to axe 90% of the switch 01:03:34 (I really want that to happen at some point) 01:03:37 with some number of remaining special cases 01:03:39 since there always are 01:03:45 as long as they're not 01:03:48 ??grunt[hilariously 01:03:49 grunt[21/27]: HILARIOUSLY SPECIFIC SPECIAL CASES WHAT A WONDERFUL IDEA 01:03:51 <|amethyst> Grunt: that's fine, but you'd at least need two separate damage/tohit entries 01:03:52 :) 01:03:55 |amethyst: yes 01:03:59 can/should the giant-ass switch statement in tileidx_monster_base or whatever get murdered 01:04:02 that was in response to mon-cast changes, iirc! 01:04:05 ontoclasm: absolutely 01:04:26 PleasingFungus: it was relating to porting eye abilities into spells 01:04:26 it's literally a case for every single monster in the game 01:04:30 I think I was drunk 01:04:30 Grunt: yes 01:04:34 which is a bad idea when coding things 01:04:35 you seemed very out of it 01:04:42 except at a very specific level of drunkenness 01:04:50 that was the night you communicated with us through commits 01:04:53 i have no idea what would be better but it strikes me as inefficient 01:04:54 yes 01:04:57 quite something 01:05:09 ontoclasm: I think the ideal thing would be for someone to write a little script that takes all the trivial cases from that switch (almost all of them), and dumps them in mon-data 01:05:23 or I guess a separate structure mayyybe 01:05:32 yeah, that's what i was thinking; mon-data could have an entry for the monster's default tile 01:05:52 the trick is that those tiles aren't actually defined unless you're compiling in tiles mode, so you'd need a *lot* of ifdefs 01:05:52 and then tilepick could override it for stuff where that's necessary 01:05:58 hm 01:06:07 but that could be accomplished with a switch, if we didn't think it was too ugly 01:06:10 er 01:06:12 *with a script 01:06:17 <|amethyst> hm 01:06:18 <|amethyst> actually 01:06:25 <|amethyst> I think tilepick is always used these days 01:06:31 oh, really 01:06:33 ? 01:06:47 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:06:47 the weapon and shield offset switches are two other important candidates for dataification 01:07:05 PleasingFungus: can non-tiles builds just ignore the relevant field? 01:07:10 it would also be good to include "does this weapon-using monster have a weapon offset" in our mon-data tests; probably we could do that now? 01:07:15 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:07:27 <|amethyst> those (offsets) should probably be represented in dc-mons somehow 01:07:35 oh, possibly 01:07:53 that'd require something different from our current format 01:08:46 Coding is Hard 01:09:33 anyway, all of this is doable 01:12:01 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1323-g706dcef (34) 01:13:29 I just remembered the one contribution I made to crawl in the past. Once upon a time I submitted some altar vaults. After I returned to Crawl, a few altar vaults would bug me a tiny bit every time I played. Eventually I realized the ones that bugged me were mostly mine. A good sign for the future, I think 01:14:37 I think we have an 'implementables' category on mantis if you want ideas 01:14:37 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:14:39 where? 01:15:07 ah was linked 01:15:19 :) 01:15:25 some of them are very old and controversial 01:15:32 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8225 01:15:34 newer is probably better 01:15:47 * ontoclasm shivers with cold. 01:15:50 ontoclasm: oh man, sunray! 01:16:05 summon swarm.... melee... 01:16:20 7 different blinks 01:19:31 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1323-g706dcef (34) 01:22:58 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1324-g13589fb: Fix a very obscure Imprison/Tomb crash (10248) 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 18+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13589fb94fec 01:24:23 oh 01:24:26 actually 01:25:01 !tell wheals do you know anything that would've messed with scrolling menus in local tiles, lately? they're borderline unusable for me 01:25:01 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 01:31:57 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10270 what should the correct behaviour be @ shield stuff (last point) 01:32:19 disallow shield gift, or make the orc drop the arbalest and ammo? 01:35:15 -!- caricature has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:36:54 drop the arbalest and ammo, imo 01:37:00 that's consistent with other behavior 01:37:02 and simpler 01:38:29 -!- IrkenInvader_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:38:53 ok 01:38:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:42:25 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 01:44:47 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:53:00 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:54:08 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1324-g13589fb 01:55:15 -!- Don_John has quit [Quit: Later] 01:58:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02:09 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:04:52 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 02:04:52 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 02:04:53 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 02:05:07 -!- Mindiell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:54 -!- Eronarn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:02 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:11:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:25:47 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:31:50 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:37:12 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:09 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41:47 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:46:14 -!- archaeo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:54:58 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:11 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:00:24 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:01:23 -!- Rotatell has joined ##crawl-dev 03:01:37 -!- Hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:07:17 -!- mineral has quit [Quit: brb] 03:08:58 -!- Idolo has quit [] 03:09:50 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:15:05 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:17:19 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:17:19 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:24:09 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1324-g13589fb (34) 03:26:19 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:27:47 -!- infrashortfoo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:38:07 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:46:51 -!- LordSloth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:48:19 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:56 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:55:00 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:59:00 -!- West1C has quit [] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:10:20 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 04:11:20 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:13:41 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:16:54 -!- Eronarn__ has quit [Changing host] 04:16:54 -!- Eronarn__ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:16:58 -!- mopl has quit [Changing host] 04:16:59 -!- esselo has quit [Changing host] 04:17:05 -!- Yermak has quit [Changing host] 04:18:24 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:18:24 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 04:28:55 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:28:55 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:28:55 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:28:55 -!- ldf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:29:16 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:29:22 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:30:15 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 04:30:23 TZer0: is that you i just say playing world of tanks 04:34:51 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:07 one of my buddies is into that 04:36:11 i keep meaning to check it out 04:38:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 04:41:16 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:46:03 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:12 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:07:02 chequers: no. 05:07:05 I don't play WoT. 05:07:10 did you see my nickname in that game? 05:07:45 ProzacElf: I wouldn't. Pay-to-win sunk cost dissonance generator like most freemium games. 05:08:01 heh 05:08:06 my boss at work is somewhat addicted as well. 05:08:11 I played War Thunder for a while 05:08:13 I've stopped 05:08:16 permanently. 05:08:20 it is the same thing concept-wise. 05:08:55 you get new stuff to play with at first 05:08:58 all the time 05:09:03 and then as you progress it takes longer and longer 05:09:16 and you earn lots of non-valuable currency 05:09:24 you'll have a surplus of that one 05:09:47 and the intention is to make it feel like a waste to stop playing after all the time and effort you've invested 05:12:05 mmmm 05:12:06 yeah 05:12:19 i could kind of see that from watching him play 05:12:26 about the non-valuable currency in particular 05:13:19 The game I'm (almost perpetually) working on will be a free-to-play title as well 05:13:45 however, there will be no unlocks except for cosmetics 05:14:09 no stat-wise advantages will be given for having played the game more 05:19:28 ah 05:19:30 cool 05:19:45 man, i wish you didn't take the piety hit for switching from faith to a randart that has faith 05:19:46 there are so few that have actually done something like that 05:19:58 i can't think of many 05:20:05 I know of one developer 05:20:08 Grinding Gear Games 05:20:11 they made Path of Exile. 05:20:20 and ouch 05:20:36 the only thing that may be considered pay to win in their games is the fact that you can buy inventory space 05:21:25 haha 05:21:49 i never played path of exile but i think i've heard about it 05:21:53 sounds familiar anyway 05:22:00 I would recommend trying it 05:26:53 i'll check it out 05:32:21 yeah you kinda do need to buy a stash upgrade 05:32:49 but that's about as far as it goes regarding p2w 05:33:21 csgo is also not p2w although it's not f2p 05:42:17 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:43:23 counterstrike? 05:43:24 yes 05:45:56 -!- infrashortfoo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:45:59 i never really could get into that 05:54:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:57:11 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:59:21 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:12 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:05:37 -!- ldf has joined ##crawl-dev 06:06:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:06:25 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:14:56 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:17:19 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:31:57 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Changing host] 06:32:16 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:39:24 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:40:23 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:42:01 -!- GauHelldragon3 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:58:59 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:15:10 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:23:45 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:39:36 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:42:15 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:49:51 -!- Xiberia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:56:42 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:58:08 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:58:57 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:00 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:06:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:36 < TZer0> I know of one developer <-- i think most f2p is like this? 08:11:39 dota2, lol, etc etc 08:14:22 most would be a stretch 08:17:35 -!- radinms_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:21:09 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:49 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:29:48 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:32:09 -!- graymark has quit [Client Quit] 08:35:49 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Use !messages to read it. 11:17:06 I last saw wheals at Mon Feb 15 14:25:29 2016 UTC (1h 51m 37s ago) saying '!tell pleasingfungus can you give an example of a menu that's acting strangely?' on ##crawl-dev. 11:17:20 hi 11:17:24 :) 11:17:37 inventory menu is the simplest example 11:17:47 let me make a couple of screenshots 11:20:55 http://i.imgur.com/OvlDXrP.png http://i.imgur.com/OPB0NMM.png 11:21:41 I'm not even quite sure how to describe what it's doing there 11:22:30 scrolling down shifts things from the right column to the left, and new things are only displayed on the right? and both columns are a fixed height, massively wasting screen space? 11:22:59 autopickup menu is even worse 11:25:05 http://i.imgur.com/4DVKSNf.png http://i.imgur.com/RGSJV9K.png same thing, but much longer, and the length of the right side varies by one item, depending on how many section headers are present on each side 11:25:19 it's just incredibly disorienting to use, almost nauseating (?) 11:25:22 and I swear it used to be more sane 11:27:45 i'll see what i can do 11:29:19 0.17 worked the same way, apparently 11:29:21 checking 0.16 11:32:20 0.16 too 11:32:23 maybe I am a crazy person 11:32:36 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:32:46 I only asked you because I thought you might've done something when you were poking with shop menus 11:33:35 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:37:15 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:42:58 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:44:27 i noticed it then and thought it was just something you tiles weirdos liked :P 11:44:49 not exactly certain how it should work 11:45:17 i guess fill up the screen as much as possible, and scrolling scrolls between columns rather than rows 11:45:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:49:27 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:31 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:51:40 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:53:25 wheals: yeah, that sounds reasonable 11:53:39 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:57:51 -!- Goon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:59:15 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59:26 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:58 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:03:04 -!- smith_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:05:31 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:07:25 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:09:51 03wheals02 07[resurrection] * 0.18-a0-1322-g5a3e79c: Hopefully fix some crashes. 10(26 minutes ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5a3e79c21545 12:09:51 03wheals02 07[resurrection] * 0.18-a0-1323-g078f190: Allow choosing between corpses on the same square (chequers). 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/078f190228dd 12:10:01 ^ that was a lot simpler than i thought 12:10:15 nice 12:10:28 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:10:35 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:12:50 -!- ursan_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:16:06 -!- infrashortfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:34 -!- } has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:22:56 -!- teukkam has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:24:24 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:25:59 can't. i dunno 12:26:03 oops, wrong channel 12:26:29 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1324-g13589fb (34) 12:29:10 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:29:24 Fo can extend mandibles (which at least just sounds strange) and dig while in pigform (others?); is that expected/intentional? 12:29:45 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:30:04 i guess people usually use pgup/down in tiles menus 12:30:07 since those work nicely 12:30:59 yeah 12:31:08 jefus: I remember this came up during the treeform fo bug 12:31:21 %git c5b9f8cfc805f7b7b29610bbd6554de6eaaf1f52 12:31:22 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-1139-gc5b9f8c: Disable fo digging/shafting in treeform (9024) 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 2 files, 8+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c5b9f8cfc805 12:31:37 "Possibly should be disabled in all major forms, but that feels like an unecessary fo nerf. Will hold off for now." 12:31:39 ahh 12:31:49 though ofc pigform is not a 'major' form 12:31:53 right 12:32:05 it was helpful but i didn't expect it to work 12:32:07 idk. gargoyles and tengu keep flight in forms, for example 12:32:08 pig running around with mandibles 12:32:11 right 12:32:15 the best is wispform 12:32:18 still digs 12:32:22 haha 12:33:18 wispdibles 12:34:03 !lg * won status~~pig-form 12:34:05 1. Suckerboh the Conqueror (L27 GrGl of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2014-08-01 18:07:04, with 1594139 points after 90702 turns and 6:15:54. 12:36:08 !lm * orb status~~pig-form 12:36:12 No milestones for * (orb status~~pig-form). 12:36:20 -!- molotove has quit [Client Quit] 12:36:22 new challenge run 12:36:27 chequers: name some. 12:36:54 chequers: name developers that deliver free games that only allow you to buy cosmetics and nothing else. 12:37:14 Because technically, not even Grinding Gear Games qualify 12:37:52 and that are basically the developer's primary occupation (unlike Crawl) 12:38:30 (yes, I realise this is shifting the goal posts, sorry) 12:38:34 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:39:02 i wonder how much of GGG's income is stash tabs 12:39:12 amalloy: exactly. 12:39:32 like i spent $70 on cosmetics and $0 on stash tabs, but i bet most people don't do that 12:39:54 prismata by lunarch is one, but that's still in beta and I personally doubt they actually make money with it... 12:40:31 I certainly didn't... 12:40:54 "I finally found the perfect game in Prismata." 12:40:56 Varkin, $250 supporter 12:40:58 hahahaha 12:41:10 it would've been more believable without the "$250 supporter" bit 12:41:11 TZer0: toady one 12:41:18 only sells crayon drawings 12:41:39 which are, by definition, cosmetic. 12:41:48 Fair enough 12:41:48 checkmate, athetits 12:41:52 HAHAHAHA 12:43:47 my point is that it is the exception to the rule 12:44:00 sure 12:44:20 and if I can, I'd really have the game I'm working on function like that 12:44:44 I'm against handing out advantages depending on how much people pay me 12:47:14 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:35 but then again, people aren't paying me because my game isn't done. So I guess I should worry about that first ;) 12:49:46 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:52:09 -!- Vizer__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:52:39 g*dspeed. 12:52:43 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 12:54:10 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1325-g3f755e8: Local tiles: don't remove lines for the -more- and title twice. 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f755e8f9c12 12:54:24 that should help things in some cases 12:55:24 there's a cap of 52 on the maxpagesize, which is bad for \\ or , with a lot of items on big screens 12:55:32 don't know if removing it would break stuff though 12:55:56 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:25 wheals: how would you select stuff in the , menu if we went above 52? 12:57:53 good question 12:58:44 52: the only self-documenting magic number 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:17 -!- Goon_ has quit [Client Quit] 13:02:39 I demand 6 extra slots 13:03:31 would rather save slots instead 13:03:37 get rid of all the redundant food types 13:03:43 have rations and fruit only 13:03:56 <|amethyst> I don't think that's feasible 13:04:04 <|amethyst> but rations, fruit, and pizza/jelly is 13:04:26 <|amethyst> coalescing all the fast food into fruit is too much of a fedhas boost 13:04:41 it's fun actually using fedhas growth though 13:04:44 <|amethyst> unless you made the abilities take multiple fruit 13:04:59 if that's the only issue with the idea then... 13:05:00 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:05:07 then it's better than I thought 13:05:44 most of fedhas' power comes from the mushrooms anyway 13:06:00 my comment was lame joke about finnish alphabet btw :P 13:07:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:49 clearly we really need 2 extra slots 13:08:12 remove ring slots 13:09:00 no, don't do that 13:12:24 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:14:38 All player ghosts are rC+++. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10283 by Hurricos 13:16:04 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:09 !source ghost.cc 13:17:09 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ghost.cc 13:19:49 a mystery 13:19:51 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1326-g8a1411e: Remove BEH_LURK. 10(18 minutes ago, 11 files, 12+ 40-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8a1411e923c2 13:20:07 hurrah 13:24:29 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:20 someone rename that ticket to "three player ghosts have rC+++" 13:26:21 er, two 13:29:46 -!- ursan_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 13:34:29 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:38:11 <|amethyst> wheals: I'm confused by that tiles change 13:38:21 <|amethyst> wheals: it said "twice", but where's the other one? 13:38:29 !source tilereg-menu.cc 13:38:30 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/tilereg-menu.cc 13:38:33 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:38:59 line 384 13:39:35 <|amethyst> aha 13:40:07 <|amethyst> maybe add a comment in the #ifdef branch in menu.cc // title and more is already accounted for in MenuRegion::maxpagesize ? 13:40:37 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:41:09 <|amethyst> also, FR: rename "lurking horror" to "horror" :) 13:41:17 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1327-gce91241: Add a clarifying comment (|amethyst). 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ce912415c67d 13:41:29 the name is better now that lurking doesn't exist as a thing they don't do! 13:49:33 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:51:36 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:58:03 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:58:07 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:43 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:18:11 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 14:20:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:15 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:39 !tell PleasingFungus pf_torpor_hydra is delightfully evil. 14:26:39 Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 14:26:54 -!- Goon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:27:27 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:30:10 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:31:47 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:11 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:35:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:37:21 -!- Goon__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:39:22 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:39:27 !learn del objstat[3] 14:39:28 Deleted objstat[3/3]: obstat todo: table for spells and spell schools like we do weapon/armour egos; don't print buggy rings; don't print monster rows for monster not in the branch; monster band info; default settings for "3-rune" and 15-rune"? 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All player ghosts are immune to poison, asphyxiation, torment, and negative energy. 15:49:44 ??player ghost[2 15:49:44 ghost[2/5]: Ghosts don't follow you down/upstairs. They are doomed to forever haunt the level. Ghosts don't appear on D:1, D:2, or the Temple. 15:49:45 ??player ghost[3 15:49:46 ghost words[1/2]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 adept, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 15:49:48 ??player ghost[4 15:49:48 ghost words[2/2]: pre-0.17 ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 average, 7-10 experienced, 11-15 powerful, 16-21 mighty, 22-25 great, 26 awesomely powerful, 27 legendary 15:49:49 ??player ghost[5 15:49:50 ghost[5/5]: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.8/banei/morgue-banei-20110619-030928.txt 15:50:48 nice D:9 for that guy 15:51:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 15:52:25 <|amethyst> and theoretically, since banei wasn't undead, that means someone else got a level with that many ghosts +1 15:52:45 <|amethyst> and survived or at least successfully skipped it 15:53:07 <|amethyst> oh, most of them were killed 15:54:09 <|amethyst> so I guess the next person only got 2 ghosts 15:54:18 -!- elvira_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:54:23 <|amethyst> s/killed/destroyed/ 15:54:55 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:47 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:40 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:04:44 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:14:17 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 16:15:06 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:19:39 Sacrificing love does not prevent memorizing Spellforged Servitor (but it will be hostile) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10284 by Sprucery 16:19:53 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:21:28 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:34 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:25:42 -!- Goon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:26:20 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:13 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 16:31:59 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:36:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:36:28 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:41:03 Lasty_: any reason spell_uselessness_reason has a big switch rather than just checking for summon school? 16:41:24 well, i mean, it has a big switch in general, but specifically if you have mut_no_love 16:43:40 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:47:14 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:48:18 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:49:15 -!- glaas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:49:17 <|amethyst> wheals: would at least need an exception for Abjuration 16:50:27 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:52:34 <|amethyst> I guess Recall probably should be prevented, since you'll never have anything to recall 16:55:37 !source spell_uselessness_reason 16:55:38 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-util.cc#l1081 16:57:00 yeah, what |amethyst said, basically. Plus wanting to adjust the verbiage a bit. 16:58:05 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:58:40 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:45 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:05:16 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:05:24 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 17:08:54 -!- Rast has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:10:24 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:10:48 -!- Goon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:15:19 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:24:13 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 17:24:33 -!- Goon_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:25:02 -!- kazimuth has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:32:12 -!- roadmap has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:45:00 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:45:53 TZer0: well dota2/lol 17:48:26 anyone have feedback on my panlord tweaks?!?! 17:52:08 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:57:15 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:57:21 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:42 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:03:42 -!- casmith789 has quit [Client Quit] 18:06:22 travis seems to dislike it 18:07:22 you're shadowing the spell_hd method and missing a close parenthesis on line 6664 18:07:59 i may have mentioned this last time but rElec doesn't exist anywhere else really 18:08:14 *rElec- 18:08:29 so having it on panlords just comes out of nowhere for the player 18:08:43 AFAIK it just exists as qaz wrath? 18:09:57 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1327-gce91241 (34) 18:10:34 -!- Don_John has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:12:27 -!- roadmap has joined ##crawl-dev 18:13:05 oh sorry, I thought I removed rElec and fixed those bugs 18:13:40 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 18:16:10 maybe you just forgot to push 18:16:31 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 18:17:00 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/235 * 0.18-a0-1300-gca37746: Make panlord AC & EV (mostly) inversely correlated. 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 15+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca377461d79f 18:17:00 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/235 * 0.18-a0-1301-g4db8c6b: Give a few panlords rF+++/rC+++. 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4db8c6b838f1 18:17:00 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/235 * 0.18-a0-1302-g053dee9: Give panlords more variable rElec levels. 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 9+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/053dee95ce1d 18:17:00 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/235 * 0.18-a0-1303-gd8b840c: Remove weak (and unfunny) spells from Panlords. 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d8b840c327e2 18:17:00 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/235 * 0.18-a0-1304-g7797f27: Tweak and upgrade panlord spells. 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 58+ 101-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7797f27cd980 18:17:00 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/235 * 0.18-a0-1305-gd04b993: Make non-spellcaster panlords scarier. 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 13+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d04b9938355b 18:17:00 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/235 * 0.18-a0-1306-g9e24628: Increase the spell power of panlord hexes. 10(35 hours ago, 1 file, 14+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e246280103e 18:17:33 in general it looks good to me except for the last commit 18:18:21 yep, after sleeping on it I agree a panlord exception is terrible 18:19:34 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:27:16 <|amethyst> I would probably not check for SPTYP_HEXES at all 18:30:06 <|amethyst> (petrify, banishment, disintegrate, pain/agony; though I guess probably those aren't all panlordable spells) 18:30:20 <|amethyst> oh, and tele other 18:33:08 -!- molotove has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:40:53 is there a way to do ca37746 without needing to put all the logic in the if (coinflip()) block? 18:41:20 in python I'd say something like: if coinflip(): def1 = ac; def2 = ev ; else: def1 = ev ; def2 = ac 18:41:32 then def1 = blah ; def2 = total - def1 18:41:37 -then 18:41:52 you know, DRY 18:42:54 -!- jeanjacques has quit [Quit: quit] 18:42:55 <|amethyst> you could do it with references but I think it would be less readable 18:43:14 <|amethyst> maybe set them and then if (coinflip()) swap(ev, ac) 18:45:23 -!- vev_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:43 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:47:39 <|amethyst> chequers: also, maybe I'm confused, but aren't those // ev is higher and // ac is higher comments backwards? 18:47:46 probably :P 18:48:03 <|amethyst> chequers: split is a smallish number, so div_rand_round(total_def * split, 10) is smaller than total_def/2 usually 18:48:20 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:48:44 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:50:36 -!- sorlin1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:52:23 seems like the average ac+ev is about 25 (ignoring non-spellcaster panlords), which is 5 less than I thought my code would generate 18:55:38 actually, maybe i just got a bung sample, checking again gives me an average of 30 19:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:40 -!- molotove1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:00:50 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:03 variable relec levels? 19:01:14 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest56108 19:03:22 -!- wheals has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:03:46 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:03:50 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1328-g832706f: Forbid memorising Spellforged Servitor with Sac Love (#10284). 10(80 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/832706f10500 19:03:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:56 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:07:02 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:11:57 -!- Guest56108 is now known as debo 19:12:33 -!- elvira__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:18:13 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 20:03:27 <|amethyst> (which isn't much, just result_type, min(), max(), and operator()() 20:03:28 <|amethyst> ) 20:06:36 -!- squimmy_ is now known as squimmy 20:11:24 wait, hash_rand isn't like that 20:11:38 i think the first number being bigger increases the chance of hash_rand being true 20:12:01 <|amethyst> no 20:12:04 <|amethyst> true is nonzero 20:12:10 <|amethyst> it has a 1/x chance of being 0 20:12:18 <|amethyst> ignoring rounding errors, it's not perfectly uniform 20:12:37 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:12:43 ah so it's inverse 20:12:59 <|amethyst> it's like random2(x) 20:13:12 yeah... i was thinking one_chance_in 20:13:24 Grunt: yesssss 20:13:24 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:13:37 !lg * kmap=pf_torpor_hydra 20:13:38 49. moose the Grappler (L13 GhFE of Okawaru), slain by a seven-headed hydra on Lair:4 (pf_torpor_hydra) on 2016-02-11 16:37:00, with 22731 points after 16774 turns and 0:30:18. 20:13:42 oh, very good 20:13:56 for some reason it didn't get many kills when it was first added 20:15:37 wheals: possibly i'm crazy, but I vaguely thought that swamp worms were currently lurking monsters? 20:16:06 i thought so too 20:16:06 !lg * x=vlong 20:16:08 5258185. [vlong=0.18-a0-1324-g13589fb] ironwallaby the Charmwright (L3 DgSk), mangled by Sigmund (a +3 scythe) on D:2 on 2016-02-16 01:15:35, with 75 points after 1939 turns and 0:05:00. 20:16:19 but there was nothing that ever set a monster's behaviour to beh_lurk 20:16:24 !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 1 x=vlong 20:16:32 1/17882. [vlong=0.18-a0-1250-g928b01e] smeego the Changer (L3 MfTm), slain by a gnoll (a +0 whip) on D:1 on 2016-02-02 02:28:07, with 25 points after 783 turns and 0:01:46. 20:16:33 !lg * current vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 1 x=vlong 20:16:37 1/17883. [vlong=0.18-a0-1250-g928b01e] smeego the Changer (L3 MfTm), slain by a gnoll (a +0 whip) on D:1 on 2016-02-02 02:28:07, with 25 points after 783 turns and 0:01:46. 20:16:52 slower. interesting 20:16:54 !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 killer="swamp worm" 20:16:55 16. acwest the Archer (L13 DgWz), slain by a swamp worm on Lair:4 (worms_lemuel) on 2016-02-15 14:36:30, with 40705 points after 24941 turns and 1:55:11. 20:17:02 !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 killer="swamp worm" s=place 20:17:03 16 games for * (vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 killer='swamp worm'): 3x Lair:4, 2x Swamp:1, 2x Lair:3, 2x Lair:1, D:10, Lair:8, D:8, Swamp:3, D:9, Lair:5, Lair:7 20:17:04 !lm * vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 1 x=vlong 20:17:22 !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 killer="swamp worm" s=branch 20:17:23 Unknown field: branch 20:17:26 br 20:17:30 !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 killer="swamp worm" s=br 20:17:31 16 games for * (vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 killer='swamp worm'): 10x Lair, 3x D, 3x Swamp 20:17:34 hm 20:17:36 hm 20:17:50 1/103671. [2016-02-02 02:25:33] [vlong=0.18-a0-1250-g928b01e] Jarlyk2 the Charmwright (L1 HESk) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 20:17:54 !lg * vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 killer="swamp worm" br=d s=kmap 20:17:54 3 games for * (vlong>=0.18-a0-1231 killer='swamp worm' br=d): 3x worms_lemuel 20:17:57 ha 20:18:02 !vault worms_lemuel 20:18:03 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des#l259 20:18:21 ack, substs 20:18:37