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ZZZzzz…] 11:07:26 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:16:23 -!- halv has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:17:30 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:46 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:23 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:50:35 -!- Starbucks has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:02 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:00 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:01:00 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:26 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:11:27 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1312-gf98331d (34) 12:14:26 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:14:33 -!- Harudoku_ is now known as Harudoku 12:15:16 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 12:33:51 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:36:12 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:40:37 -!- Lathuz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:43:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:59 PleasingFungus: How much AC do ancestor spirits get 12:45:01 and EV 12:46:11 10 EV; 1 AC per HD (2/3 HD per player XL) 12:46:26 so 0 ac at level 1, 18 ac at level 27 12:47:45 hm. probably I should write up ancestor stats in learndb 12:48:06 but I'll probably end up tweaking them after I finish my current test run 12:48:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:50:08 I would think knights could get more AC than that (being designed to tank) 12:50:50 they do 12:51:09 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:28 they get 5 ac at level 1, 32 at level 27 12:51:32 which might be excessive 12:52:08 curse skull (13z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 55 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1631 | Sp: sum.undead [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 12:52:08 %??curse skull 12:52:26 well that much AC would keep them relevant in extended 12:52:36 -!- oxeimon has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:52:57 they also get a shield. possibly I went overboard 12:53:41 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:55:48 that's what testing is for 12:56:35 -!- caricature has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:57:39 what spells do the conjurer spirits get 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:42 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e496412b627544d764dc96c6f7516abc2f19ecd#diff-03550cb0156946cbb036036243f92eb3R5608 2 spells at a time, choosing the highest ones available for their HD 13:02:55 so at level 9, they'll have stone arrow & throw frost 13:07:17 the hexer seems like it'll have trouble lategame 13:07:27 maybe it should get strip resistance at some point? 13:07:44 it gets an antimagic quickblade 13:08:27 well 13:08:30 what do you mean by 'lategame' 13:08:31 late or extended 13:09:22 I'd say more extended 13:09:48 yeah 13:09:52 that's what the am qbl is for 13:11:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: re level 9, I assume you mean throw icicle and stone arrow? 13:11:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: or is there some check for the sum of the levels I am missing? 13:11:45 hm, is this hlep...? 13:11:49 those numbers are ancestor HD, not player XL 13:11:56 ancestor HD = player XL * 2/3 13:12:00 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: ah, you meant player level 9 13:12:05 yeah 13:12:07 sorry 13:12:38 AM qbl... I wonder if you could "steal" that by involving maurice 13:12:38 really worried i've made this god too complicated for its own good. 13:12:42 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: and kights are supposed to get haste? 13:12:47 yes 13:12:50 <|amethyst> kn 13:13:21 the inherent self-haste is specifically so that getting access to the player spell haste doesn't dramatically throw off the god's balance 13:13:25 ??englaciation 13:13:25 metabolic englaciation[1/1]: Level 5 Ice/Hex. Attempts to slow all non-rC+ monsters in sight. The duration of the slowing is based on power and reduced by monster HD (and unaffected by MR). Slows each target for 3d(pow)/6 - random2(HD) turns. Cold-blooded monsters are slowed for twice as long. 13:13:38 it doesn't seem that complicated 13:13:55 the basic gist is you get an ally who helps you that gets stronger as you do, and then the powers are to support it 13:14:31 should the ally really be limited to 18HD 13:14:44 wouldn't that give it issues in extended due to low mhp? 13:14:45 @??deep elf annihilator 13:14:45 deep elf annihilator (12e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 56-81 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 1261 | Sp: b.lightning (3d20), crystal spear (3d34), blink, iron shot (3d28), poison arrow (3d22) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:15:02 the battlemage gets LCS at HD 18 13:15:13 (i.e. the conjurer spirit) 13:15:21 LCS/bolt of magma at HD18 13:15:24 hmm 13:15:33 how strong is bolt of magma 13:15:36 isn't the annihilator actually stronger? 13:15:39 spellset-wise 13:15:49 is it? 13:15:54 compared to having LCS and bolt of magma (and only those 2) 13:16:04 PleasingFungus: not sure, only having 2 spells means it uses lcs more 13:16:15 FIQ: Don't forget the permanent haste after a certain point 13:16:25 <|amethyst> doesn't have to do with how many spells as much as the frequency 13:16:27 Lightli: oh, I thought that was only to the melee dude? 13:16:28 @??pandemonium lord 13:16:28 pandemonium lord (08&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 23 | HP: 124-230 | AC/EV: 14/15 | Dam: 35 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(153), 05fire++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5228 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: human. 13:16:34 FIQ: current cap is 120 MHP, which is not incredibly tough for extended 13:16:44 <|amethyst> Annihilator has lbolt.11 lcs.11 blink.22 iron_shot.11 parrow.11 13:16:47 but their defenses are decent, and it's not incredibly expensive to revive them 13:16:54 yeah, 120 HP, 18 AC, and 10 EV 13:17:00 How intelligently does monsters use blinking? 13:17:03 <|amethyst> L18 battlemage has lcs.30 magma.30 haste.40 13:17:07 for the knight at HD 18 it's 120 HP, 32 AC, 10 EV, and a large shield 13:17:15 not very 13:17:21 Because if they don't make stupid use of it, maybe the spellcasters should have it to avoid melee range easier 13:17:32 hm, ok 13:17:53 |amethyst: ahh, I see 13:18:02 what monsters use bolt of magma as a spell 13:18:31 !source mon-spell.h 13:18:32 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-spell.h 13:18:34 molten gargoyles 13:18:38 @??molten gargoyle 13:18:38 molten gargoyle (059) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 27-36 | AC/EV: 14/7 | Dam: 2004(fire:7-13) | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 430 | Sp: b.magma (3d15) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:18:41 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:18:45 quite a few monsters, apparently 13:18:47 <|amethyst> drac scorcher, roxanne, one tecj set, one terv set, one dema set, samystic, mogarg 13:18:53 MOGARG 13:18:55 MOGARG HUNGERS... 13:19:10 <|amethyst> and that's ignoring whatever other monsters might share those spellbooks 13:19:11 @??molten gargoyle hd:18 13:19:11 molten gargoyle (059) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 69-95 | AC/EV: 14/7 | Dam: 2004(fire:18-35) | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 2348 | Sp: b.magma (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:19:28 6hmm 13:19:30 -6 13:19:37 so b.magma is strictly inferior to LCS? 13:19:46 or does b.magma partially bypass AC in favour of fire? 13:20:02 <|amethyst> FIQ: b.magma is piercing 13:20:03 b.magma is a b. 13:20:09 Oh right 13:20:10 bolt 13:20:11 * PleasingFungus buzzes. 13:20:13 so piercing 13:20:32 also longer range 13:20:33 it is, however, strictly superior to bolt of fire [on monsters] 13:20:37 I think 13:20:45 could be shorter range? 13:20:51 Why no fireball on high HD? 13:20:58 Isn't fireball on monsters like.. super powerful? 13:21:05 a bunch shorter range than b.fire yes 13:21:10 ah, hm 13:21:17 FIQ: sort of 13:21:19 @??orb of fire hf:18 13:21:19 unknown monster: "orb of fire hf:18" 13:21:21 it's better at very high HD 13:21:23 @??orb of fire hd:18 13:21:23 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 18 | HP: 72-109 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 2352 | Sp: b.fire (3d27) [06!sil], fireball (3d28) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 13:21:29 <|amethyst> monster b. magma is shorter-range but partially irresistable 13:21:38 3d28 ok 13:21:51 basically the same damage at hd 18 (though it can't miss!) 13:22:41 for the hex dude, wouldn't englaciation also hurt the player? 13:22:58 what about paralyse 13:23:07 <|amethyst> yeah, I was wondering about englac there 13:23:24 i'm really not sure about englaciation 13:23:43 I wanted a mass hex 13:23:52 contemplating adding a monster 'mass slow' 13:23:57 just for this guy 13:24:08 <|amethyst> mass confusion at least misses allies 13:24:14 doesn't eyes have mass paralyze 13:24:16 I am not sure if the ancestor will cast englac if it'd slow the player? idk what the logic is like 13:24:17 <|amethyst> could englaciate be changed to work similarly? 13:24:20 well, one eye 13:24:22 FIQ: no? 13:24:24 what 13:24:26 or is it merely smite-targeted paralyze 13:25:01 @??giant eyeball 13:25:01 giant eyeball (00G) | Spd: 3 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-19 | AC/EV: 0/1 | see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(10), 12drown | XP: 8 | Sp: paralysis gaze [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 13:25:08 yeah was thinking of that 13:25:09 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I think the englaciate tracer just checks whether the foe is susceptible 13:25:12 huh 13:25:17 nice 13:25:19 <|amethyst> !source mon-cast.cc:8213 13:25:19 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc#l8213 13:25:30 -!- Ratboiler has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:25:31 but umm 13:25:40 englaciate would get useless in extended, wouldn't it? 13:25:45 because I think a single pip of rC stops is 13:25:47 *it 13:25:54 <|amethyst> ? 13:25:58 <|amethyst> how is that useless? 13:26:06 |amethyst: doesn't most extended monsters have rC 13:26:14 demons, undead, etc 13:26:24 <|amethyst> @??brimstone fiend 13:26:24 Brimstone Fiend (041) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 80-115 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 25, 15, 15 | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 3331 | Sp: hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 13:26:37 <|amethyst> @??hellion 13:26:37 hellion (042) | Spd: 12 | HD: 7 | HP: 33-44 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 383 | Sp: hellfire burst (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 13:26:41 @??shadow fiend 13:26:41 Shadow Fiend (061) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 80-115 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2505(pain), 1513(drain), 1513(drain) | 05demonic, 10doors, evil, unholy, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2504 | Sp: b.cold (3d27) [06!sil], b.draining (3d25) [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil], dispel undead (3d27) [06!sil] | Sz: Lar.. 13:26:45 @??nequoexec 13:26:45 unknown monster: "nequoexec" 13:26:48 most demonspawn 13:26:51 <|amethyst> the other two fiends are immune 13:27:04 @??balrug 13:27:04 balrug (052) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 65-93 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 2504(fire:14-27) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(160), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1660 | Sp: b.fire (3d23) [06!sil], fireball (3d23) [06!sil], sticky flame range (3d6) [06!sil], smiting (7-17) [06!sil.. 13:27:22 Right, so fire-themed demons wouldn't have rC 13:27:33 but what about the others 13:27:39 <|amethyst> @??cacodemon 13:27:39 cacodemon (082) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 81-112 | AC/EV: 11/10 | Dam: 22, 22 | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy, see invisible, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(160), 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1638 | Sp: b.energy (3d20) [06!sil], slow [06!sil], confuse [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil], dig [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 13:27:48 <|amethyst> @??green death 13:27:48 green death (032) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 58-84 | AC/EV: 5/7 | Dam: 32 | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(160), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1112 | Sp: poison arrow (3d20) [06!sil], poisonous cloud (3d9) [06!sil], b.venom (3d18) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 13:27:49 hmm, fair I guess 13:27:52 <|amethyst> a number do have rCold 13:27:56 <|amethyst> anything cold-themed of course 13:28:02 Yeah, obviously 13:28:03 <|amethyst> and the undead-themed ones 13:29:16 <|amethyst> hm, I was going to say maybe a spell of that level shouldn't be shut down by one pip of resistance 13:29:56 <|amethyst> but its level was decreased at some point I guess 13:30:32 ??englaciation 13:30:32 metabolic englaciation[1/1]: Level 5 Ice/Hex. Attempts to slow all non-rC+ monsters in sight. The duration of the slowing is based on power and reduced by monster HD (and unaffected by MR). Slows each target for 3d(pow)/6 - random2(HD) turns. Cold-blooded monsters are slowed for twice as long. 13:30:46 Dual-skill, allthough it's only L5 13:30:47 <|amethyst> would there be any problems with making englaciate ignore allies the way mass confusion does? 13:30:55 so perhaps it's fair enough considering that it's basically "mass slow" 13:31:31 to make it resistable by just rC+ 13:31:59 notable that it's not resistible by MR 13:32:16 |amethyst: my vague feeling is that it would be fine 13:32:22 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:32:29 but I haven't put a ton of thought into it 13:32:42 <|amethyst> could give it to more monsters then, too 13:33:04 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:33:21 <|amethyst> though I guess the rC thing probably makes it too much of an equipment check 13:33:23 giving it to more monsters would make rC+ potentially more relevant 13:33:32 and promotes swapping 13:34:31 |amethyst: one possible solution would be to make rC only give partially resistance, but if that change was made, you'd probably want to up the spell level quite a bit 13:36:04 what 13:36:05 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:10 oh 13:36:12 whatever 13:37:15 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:39:10 -!- halv has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:44:19 PleasingFungus: oh btw 13:44:22 why a quickblade? 13:44:38 why not, say, a polearm of some kind? 13:44:51 why would a hexer have a polearm? 13:46:19 why would a hexer have a quickblade? 13:46:30 botono (rip) 13:47:06 PleasingFungus: I was saying for purely mechanical reasons, not flavour, allthough I'm curious what the flavour behind qblade would be 13:47:12 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:47:24 The mechanical reason is simple, polearms means they avoid melee more 13:48:20 I don't particularly want them to avoid melee. 13:48:27 Ok th en 13:48:28 FIQ: Quick blades swing faster than other weapons would, which means a lot more antimagic buildup 13:48:29 -space 13:48:37 Lightli: "a lot" 13:49:05 <|amethyst> if monster stabs worked like player stabs that would be an excuse 13:49:11 <|amethyst> but they don't 13:49:18 it's 0.85 speed vs 1.1 (for a regular spear), 1.15 (trident/dtrident) 13:49:49 Where are you getting those numbers? 13:49:58 <|amethyst> ??quick blade 13:49:58 quick blade[1/2]: (short blades; +6 acc / 5 dam / 0.7 base delay / 0.3 min delay). Ultra-fast short blade. Doesn't chop hydra heads. 0.2 min delay with haste/finesse. Quick blades cannot have the speed brand. 13:50:10 <|amethyst> 0.7 base delay and monsters get 0.5 + half that 13:50:44 <|amethyst> ??spear 13:50:44 spear[1/1]: (polearms; +4 acc / 6 dam / 1.1 base delay / 0.5 min delay). A hunting weapon consisting of a wooden shaft with a pointed metal head fastened on one end. 13:50:48 A hexer would use a lot of spells, and a polearm would allow them to strike more without needing to wander up to melee 13:50:50 <|amethyst> spear would be 1.05 though 13:50:53 Especially once they get mass confuse 13:50:58 Ah, I thought spear was 1.2, sorry 13:51:06 But yeah, 1.1 means 1.05 delay 13:51:14 for monsters 13:51:38 ??trident 13:51:38 trident[1/1]: (polearms; +1 acc / 9 dam / 1.3 base delay / 0.6 min delay). A fishing spear improved with a longer shaft and a three-pronged metal head. 13:51:43 ??demon trident 13:51:43 demon trident[1/1]: (polearms; +1 acc / 12 dam / 1.3 base delay / 0.6 min delay). A terrible three-pronged weapon, moulded by fire and brimstone. Can be {bless}ed into a {trishula}. 13:51:47 Right, I got those right at least 13:52:00 But yeah, an ordinary spear would work better 13:52:03 for the purpose 13:52:09 <|amethyst> but, as PleasingFungus said, keeping them out of melee isn't the goal 13:52:20 |amethyst: Ok then 13:52:39 Was just suggesting since I think they would ultimately be more effective, if that was the goal 13:52:48 But yeah, if that isn't the goal, then fair enough :P 13:52:50 they would also be more effective if they had 27 HD 13:52:59 PleasingFungus: obviously 13:53:03 foreswear playerthink! 13:53:11 <|amethyst> Yeah, there is of course a limit to how effective you want them to be :) 13:53:16 but I mean, effective in the task they are supposed to serve, without being OP 13:53:32 But yeah, qbl is all good :P 13:53:50 <|amethyst> It is "Hepliaklqanal", not "Winforyuoiaklqanal" 13:53:53 I was just thinking, since you did give them a qbl 13:54:03 in case the intention was to make their melee as effective as possible considering their spellset 13:54:09 <|amethyst> oh right 13:54:11 <|amethyst> PF removed the l 13:54:14 This is why I suggested another approach 13:54:21 Sorry 13:54:34 <|amethyst> remember, they do have player to help clean up for them :) 13:54:44 yeah, of course 13:54:45 %git :/anal 13:54:45 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1360-g9f23d04: Remove anal (Grunt) 10(2 days ago, 29 files, 295+ 295-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f23d048d92c 13:54:53 lol 13:55:09 heokuajkqana 13:55:11 er 13:55:16 hepliaklqana 13:55:22 the hardest name to remember so far 13:55:33 -!- serq has quit [Client Quit] 13:55:44 ??kiku 13:55:44 kikubaaqudgha[1/5]: God of necromantic awesomeness. Grants necromancy {kiku randbook}s at 1 and 3 stars, and at 6 stars, will either pain-brand a weapon or grant you the Necronomicon (only one of the two) at an altar. Provides corpses, invocable torment, torment protection, and blocks necromancy miscast effects. 13:55:50 followed by that one 13:56:44 <|amethyst> !send FIQ Jivya 13:56:44 Sending Jivya to FIQ. 13:56:53 <|amethyst> or vice versa 13:58:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1366-g572c67e: Remove debug code 10(51 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/572c67e5052f 13:58:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1367-gc447248: Correctly give ancestors spells on type choice 10(89 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c44724827387 13:58:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1368-g56dcd0b: Significantly buff H piety gain (match E) 10(58 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56dcd0b0067c 13:58:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1369-g4f1f0cd: Simplify & buff early/mid ancestor damage 10(26 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4f1f0cd0985d 13:58:10 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1370-g61b327d: Fix unintended ancestor spell learning messages 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/61b327d50347 13:58:15 it's a homage. 13:59:03 god results from testing so far: 'kind of shit' 13:59:34 what needs buffing 13:59:51 what happens if you poly an ancestor 13:59:55 can't poly undead 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:03 oh it's undead 14:00:04 -!- morik has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:00:04 ok 14:00:17 lmao, this is the fourth magic regen amulet I've found so far this game 14:00:18 by lair:2 14:00:21 lasty...... 14:00:24 I guess that implies evil 14:00:53 magic regen's good though 14:00:54 the god isn't currently evil 14:00:59 fr: small species can wear a second amulet. as a belt. 14:01:00 :D 14:01:02 Lightli: would be better if I had four necks 14:01:03 jk of course, jk. 14:01:05 well it messes with undead 14:01:11 magic regen is nice. 14:01:13 feels like something tso wouldn't appreciate 14:01:32 fr: two-headed ogre race with 2 head slots and 2 amulet slots 14:01:40 ettin 14:01:43 hehe 14:01:44 hydra race 14:01:58 Ettins wouldn't work because the whole gimmick behind them as a monster is using 2 weapons at once 14:02:06 which you can't do outside of Gyre & Gimble 14:02:10 piety buffs might have solved most of the problem - getting the class upgrade is a huge huge buff 14:02:12 <|amethyst> could make them MH_UNDEAD | MH_HOLY 14:02:20 <|amethyst> then hepl could be both good and evil 14:02:27 so i just walked in; am i sensing that i'll have to test TWO new gods now? 14:02:32 <|amethyst> which averages out to neutral, right? 14:02:38 ??hep 14:02:39 I don't have a page labeled hep in my learndb. Did you mean: he, help, hp, hexes. 14:02:50 ??hepliaklqana 14:02:50 hepliaklqana[1/7]: God of ancestral memory. Grants a powerful permanent ally which can be customized, recalled, and revived if slain. Likes exploration, hates felids. 0*: ally & recall, 1*: {Draw from Memory}, 2*: {Remember Life}, 3*: {Romanticize}, 5*: {Transference}, 6*: {Remember Death} 14:02:55 that's a mouthful 14:02:59 a handful? fingerful...? 14:03:21 hates felids! 14:03:26 ??romanticize 14:03:26 hepliaklqana[4/7]: Romanticize: Heal your ancestor, remove debilitating status effects, and provide a short-duration elemental resistance buff. Healing & buff duration scale with Invocations. 14:03:34 ??draw from memory 14:03:34 hepliaklqana[2/7]: Draw from Memory: Revive your ancestor at a moderate piety cost (close to Finesse's). 14:03:37 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I do see one flavour problem with MH_UNDEAD 14:03:37 jefus: He doesn't want to deal with housecat ancestors 14:03:41 why no felids? 14:03:43 reasonable 14:03:43 lol 14:03:46 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: "When your ancestor dies or swaps with you," 14:03:51 cuz felids are a pain in the ass 14:03:55 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: we otherwise avoid "die" of undead 14:03:58 i think i caught that much earlier 14:04:01 ??remember ilfe 14:04:02 remember ilfe ~ remember life ~ hepliaklqana[3/7]: Remember Life: Choose one of three classes for your ancestor: Knight (tough melee, eventually gets cleaving), Battlemage (conjurations), Hexer (various hexes, eventually gets an antimagic qblade). Choice is permanent, even after abandoning and rejoining. 14:04:07 'is destroyed' is so much longer 14:04:15 well this sounds interesting for sure 14:04:32 wouldn't it be possible for it to just be living? a memory given life? 14:04:36 i still haven't played ukulele though 14:04:39 did i spell that right? 14:04:44 heh 14:05:02 "eventually gets cleaning" 14:05:03 there were reasons I made them undead 14:05:05 trying to remember 14:05:06 *cleaving 14:05:10 you mean it gets an axe? 14:05:13 yes 14:05:24 in dungeon crawl, ancestor swaps with you? 14:05:26 resists and extended were part of it 14:05:58 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: hm, is Dispel vulnerability important? 14:06:10 undead? 14:06:13 dispel undead* 14:06:14 <|amethyst> yeah 14:06:41 hmm permanent ally class 14:06:46 interesting choice 14:06:50 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:07:10 no 14:07:22 ? 14:07:27 @ |amethyst 14:07:30 oh 14:07:32 not important 14:08:09 hm, permanent ally class means that certain classes (hex) becomes almost useless in certain places 14:08:10 Torment/rot/poison immunity? 14:08:11 coc comes to mind 14:08:14 Flaying? 14:08:28 (along with tomb, but tomb is... special) 14:08:40 torment and poison were the relevant ones 14:08:41 it has an antimagic branded weapon 14:09:16 Right, that prevents it fro becoming *completely* useless 14:09:29 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: living | nonliving would be kind of cute 14:10:32 ack 14:10:37 what would that actually imply, mechanically? 14:10:38 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: (though I'm not sure what that does to rPois) 14:10:47 <|amethyst> res_torment uses: 14:10:51 <|amethyst> return holy & (MH_UNDEAD | MH_DEMONIC | MH_PLANT | MH_NONLIVING) 14:10:51 <|amethyst> || get_mons_resist(this, MR_RES_TORMENT) > 0; 14:11:16 <|amethyst> would also imply nonbreathing 14:11:33 <|amethyst> and inability to mutate 14:11:40 <|amethyst> undead | living would do the same 14:11:52 <|amethyst> but I guess undead is fine 14:11:53 so it would be like being undead, except...? 14:12:58 <|amethyst> hm, berserkable 14:13:19 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:23 <|amethyst> Mostly so you could use the word "die" legitimately, but I agree that's a minor point :) 14:13:34 <|amethyst> oh, I think I see a bug 14:13:37 <|amethyst> in trunk that is 14:14:01 is | MH_LIVING even player-visible 14:14:30 <|amethyst> I don't know what ebering did about display of multiple holinesses 14:15:15 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:17:01 is this up for testing somewhere or is it still too much of a wi 14:17:03 p 14:17:08 latter 14:17:18 <|amethyst> you can compile it yourself :) 14:17:49 |amethyst: yeah of course, but that's offline play :P 14:18:40 my favorite cbro admin hasn't been around 14:21:16 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1371-g4736b93: Correctly mark Hep skills as using invo 10(23 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4736b93695c7 14:22:34 definitely still pretty rough 14:22:36 no crashes yet! 14:26:27 !crash PleasingFungus 14:26:28 5. PleasingFungus, XL1 HuWz, T:0 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/PleasingFungus/crash-PleasingFungus-20141105-175403.txt 14:26:30 haha 14:26:35 <.< 14:26:39 I wonder if it'd be better if the ancestor revived automatically after a couple dozen turns, rather than asking you to spend piety for it 14:27:05 revive after N turns if there are no enemies nearby? 14:27:16 spend piety to bring it back if in combat 14:27:41 my worry is that at present it's a Noob Trap to spend piety on reviving your ancestor early on 14:27:53 esp before you get enough piety to choose their class (which is a huge power boost) 14:28:04 it'd also be nice to simplify/streamline by removing an ability 14:28:16 !remove PleasingFungus. 14:28:17 03Grunt * 0.18-a0-1558-g0fff21b: Remove PleasingFungus. 10(in the future, 33 files, 952+ 811-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=0fff21b 14:28:20 not again...! 14:28:28 !remove "Remove PleasingFungus." 14:28:29 03Grunt * 0.18-a0-1559-gd2f7660: Remove "Remove PleasingFungus." 10(in the future, 40 files, 679+ 984-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=d2f7660 14:28:44 * PleasingFungus sighs in relief. 14:28:53 !remove relief. 14:28:54 03Grunt * 0.18-a0-1560-g2b0834e: Remove relief. 10(in the future, 33 files, 528+ 622-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=2b0834e 14:33:41 whatever happened to the charm removal stuff anyways 14:33:54 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1372-gc8a6ac6: Fix ancestor spells on revive/rejoin 10(18 seconds ago, 1 file, 7+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c8a6ac679a1a 14:34:03 <|amethyst> Lightli: ? 14:34:10 <|amethyst> Lightli: Spells got removed 14:34:16 <|amethyst> Lightli: not all of them, but a fair number 14:34:27 good point 14:34:37 <|amethyst> I'm sure more will happen 14:34:39 <|amethyst> with time 14:36:06 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1313-g0c599e1: Fix acquirement in Pan/Abyss being unable to create unrands (minmay) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 29+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c599e1c039f 14:37:05 that's a lotta function signatures 14:37:07 nice 14:37:24 i think that does make it possible for "acquire foo" syntax to create unrands in pan/abyss which they probably shouldn't, for some reason doing that has agent 0 instead of -1 14:37:33 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:37:35 so i guess that's fixable at the cost of making the whole thing even uglier? 14:37:41 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1373-gf8a3936: Temporarily disable ancestor speech 10(28 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f8a393670902 14:38:04 hm 14:38:06 @??bennu 14:38:06 bennu (08b) | Spd: 16 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-89 | AC/EV: 6/16 | Dam: 2708(holy), 1813(drain), 18 | evil, see invisible, fly, regen | Res: 06magic(140), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++ | Vul: 12drown, 08holy | XP: 1288 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:38:14 !source natural_regen_rate 14:38:15 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l3101 14:39:17 PleasingFungus: are you looking for monster hp regen rate? 14:39:32 it caps at 100, and rr for monsters is random, they regenerate 1hp rr/100 of the time 14:39:47 <|amethyst> hm 14:40:01 I knew that, in fact. 14:40:10 Well. 14:40:13 Actually that's wrong. 14:40:31 As the comment above that function notes, the relevant unit is rr/25. 14:40:32 really? 14:40:44 I investigated that code a while back, maybe I misread it 14:41:30 offlevel regen works differently. 14:41:51 for some reason. 14:42:13 I was trying to figure out if the bennu fast regen flag does anything. to which the answer is, 'yes, ish'. 14:42:25 killer klowns also have fast regen, which does even less on them. 14:42:39 and test spawner has fast regen, which does exactly nothing, but is kind of conceptually funny. 14:44:04 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:45:18 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1374-g6a95bb8: Give ancestors fast regen 10(70 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6a95bb8e30e3 14:52:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:57:40 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:20 oh, right, orc is two levels now 15:02:26 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:02:52 -!- Lathuz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:49 -!- physeK has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:03:57 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04:11 -!- Torax_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:05:47 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:04 hm, my ancestor just fireballed me down to 7 hp 15:11:07 not ideal 15:11:30 I should figure out how exactly foe_ratio works 15:15:52 and probably also toss fireball as a battlemage spell 15:15:59 not sure what to replace it with, though 15:16:38 bolt of fire as a lower level spell, corrosive bolt as a higher-level one..? 15:22:46 03PleasingFungus02 07[allygod] * 0.18-a0-1375-ga0df76d: Shuffle battlemage AoE spellset 10(54 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0df76df6743 15:25:40 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 15:32:28 -!- setecastronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:39:37 -!- KarvaRausku has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:41:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:46 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:44:10 yeah, definitely gonna rework the revive system 15:50:16 -!- theodb has quit [] 15:51:56 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:04 PleasingFungus: Corrosive Bolt isn't player castable though, unlike everything else the ancestors have 15:57:17 !shrug 15:57:18 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 15:57:38 Lightli: back in their day it was 15:57:44 a spell lost in ancient times- 15:57:46 feh! 15:57:50 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0.2/20160210153822]] 15:57:55 they should occasionally have water magic 15:58:05 r i p 15:58:16 water magic died out in prehistory 15:58:21 name a notable water mage 15:58:46 ilsuiw 15:58:51 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:34 true 16:08:28 -!- Dakoteus has quit [Client Quit] 16:10:44 -!- Dakoteus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:11:02 -!- simples has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:18:26 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:26 -!- Ququman_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:21:25 -!- Dakoteus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:49 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:25:49 -!- Earlo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:26:16 -!- Ququman has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:16 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:16 -!- ToastyP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:26:29 -!- ToastyP_ is now known as ToastyP 16:26:39 -!- zeia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 16:27:13 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 16:30:22 is ranged reform still happening 16:30:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:27 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:35:41 Lightli: yes, some day 16:36:27 -!- Krawles has quit [Client Quit] 16:36:45 I still vote that slings remain, or at the very least an artifact sling 16:38:47 Why's that? 16:41:15 It's like how there's still a katana left 16:41:56 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 16:42:27 ??ranged reform 16:42:27 ranged reform[1/1]: 1) give launchers their own equipment slot; 2) ammo always mulches; 3) keep skills the same (at least for now); 4) goldify ammo. Optional: overhaul throwing & blowguns & ammo brands; condense skills; maybe remove slings for ammo consistency in condensed skills. 16:43:08 how would the launchers interact with using shields 16:59:49 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:01 how goes testing 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:19 i ate lunch 17:00:28 oh 17:00:42 god seems okay but not that interactive - I need to rework how reviving works 17:01:03 so that you get more of a chance to play around with stuff that requires high piety 17:01:17 did you ever consider scaling the ally (partly?) on invo/piety rather than xl? 17:02:00 i guess one downside would be the emergence of breakpoints at XL thresholds 17:02:03 didn't consider partial scaling, no 17:02:09 there's already breakpoints at xl thresholds 17:02:19 i mean, HD 17:02:24 yes, those exist 17:02:40 breakpoints at invo levels corresponding to HD thresholds 17:02:49 oh, i see 17:03:06 well 17:03:14