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seems odd, though I guess it's consistent with melee...? 02:02:51 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 02:03:13 zxc: lasty and MarvinPA both have opinions on that. i'm inclined to let them sort it ou 02:03:14 *out 02:03:16 :) 02:03:33 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0/20160123151951]] 02:06:45 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:47 -!- esselo has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 02:11:19 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:17:31 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:24:22 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:26:29 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:28:16 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:46 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:30:09 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:35:42 "This is producing some very interesting results." feels very unfitting for a welcome message imo 02:38:00 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:13 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:41:15 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:43:04 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:47:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:48:58 i wonder what pakellas's erdos number is 02:49:03 -!- eb_ has quit [] 02:59:17 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:02:00 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:03:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:05:08 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:11:53 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1292-ge8ad84c (34) 03:13:13 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:19:11 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:23:01 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 03:23:22 -!- WalrusKing__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:28:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:29:35 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:31:35 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:36:07 Are enslaved angels converted to profane servitors? 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13:58:07 -!- molotove has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:59:15 -!- molotove1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:06 -!- ScienceTr has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:06:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:12:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:22:14 -!- vev has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:23:52 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:27:23 -!- molotove has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:32:43 -!- Harudoku has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:32:50 -!- halv has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:37:23 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:40:33 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:59:29 Large shield [...] Base shield rating: 13 [...] Skill to remove penalty: 45.0 14:59:42 bug or feature, given that i'm Sp and thus can't wear this at all? 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:36 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:49 that reminds me that i recently could swear i saw warlock's mirror give me some weird skill to remove, like 2.something, before i actually put it on and got 4 15:01:10 i didn't get a chance to record it but maybe it did happen and relates to that there :) 15:01:28 i'd say bug, dunno if weapons do the same thing for mindelay 15:01:58 check dark maul 15:02:00 hmm, they do but it's worded differently since the skill doesn't change depending on size 15:02:04 so it doesn't seem as weird there 15:03:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:04:26 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:26 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:05:06 yeah, i knew about the dark maul 15:05:24 there it seems appropriate: you can wear this, but you will never be able to train hard enough to swing at 0.7 15:05:40 45 for a large shield you can't even wear just seems silly 15:05:56 jefus: 2.4 sounds right for a buckler on a large race like Na 15:06:24 aye it said something different afterwards though 15:06:46 not confident enough to make a bug report but thought i'd mention it 15:07:08 what race were you? 15:07:16 maybe it was this 15:07:17 i can check it 15:07:19 !log . mftm 15:07:20 27. Jefus, XL24 MfTm, T:57536: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Jefus/morgue-Jefus-20160207-144339.txt 15:07:22 was recent 15:07:36 yeah had warlock on that 15:08:27 maybe some weirdness with using a form that is large size? 15:08:29 i picked it up, glanced at it, saw a really low number and trained shield up to 2-3 and looked again, saw 4 and went hmm, trained some more 15:08:33 oh that makes sense 15:08:40 perhaps that's it 15:08:43 ice form might be large? 15:08:56 it is 15:08:58 that seems quite logical 15:08:58 yes, that's it 15:09:03 cool, i'm not crazy 15:09:08 when i cast ice form, bucklers say 2.4 skill 15:09:14 nice 15:10:18 !learn add amalloy_todo fix shield skill penalty display (when forms change your size, or on shields you can never wear) 15:10:19 amalloy todo[5/5]: fix shield skill penalty display (when forms change your size, or on shields you can never wear) 15:10:43 thx guys 8-) 15:11:49 i do love the silly buggers wizmode characters get up to 15:12:36 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:13:48 felids are a problem for ancestor god 15:13:55 i'm tempted to ban them 15:14:03 WebFungus: remove felids. 15:14:05 It solves so much. 15:14:09 Like felids existing. 15:14:10 doesn't it! 15:14:24 !lg * ukayaw / won 15:14:25 3/148 games for * (ukayaw): N=3/148 (2.03%) 15:14:31 !learn add amalloy_todo make "Something smites you!" for monsters with a god, maybe? 15:14:31 amalloy todo[6/6]: make "Something smites you!" for monsters with a god, maybe? 15:14:33 "your ancestors were housecats! H will not accept your worship." 15:14:34 !lg * ukayaw s=name 15:14:34 148 games for * (ukayaw): 15x ProzacElf, 14x neil, 9x Thraspic, 7x inqbanana, 7x moose, 6x dpeg, 6x stevs, 5x grisamentum, 5x mibe, 5x smeego, 5x Jarlyk2, 4x Lightli, 4x arglypuff, 3x edsrzf, 3x Lasty, 2x Weresquid, 2x WalkerBoh, 2x Psaro, 2x sugabear, 2x Ironfoot, 2x dracos369, 2x Sar, Centarion, ayayaya, Quilel, Magatonman, Modest, KingShit420, Inquiry, Xenophilius, mdk, rakan, namelastname112, ... 15:14:45 Oh man, I got KingShit420? Sweet. 15:15:02 !hs * ukayaw 15:15:03 148. Jarlyk2 the Hoplite (L27 GrFi of Ukayaw), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-02-04 02:40:58, with 1805029 points after 60130 turns and 4:44:04. 15:15:10 !lg * ukayaw won 15:15:11 3. Jarlyk2 the Hoplite (L27 GrFi of Ukayaw), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2016-02-04 02:40:58, with 1805029 points after 60130 turns and 4:44:04. 15:15:18 !lg * ukayaw won s=name 15:15:19 3 games for * (ukayaw won): 2x mibe, Jarlyk2 15:15:23 hm 15:15:30 mibe not quite living up to the name... 15:15:34 heheh 15:15:36 been meaning to try ukayaw 15:15:51 Do it! I'd love to get the games counter up towards 1k 15:15:58 !lg * iashol 15:15:59 No keyword 'iashol' 15:16:01 aw 15:16:05 !lg * god=iashol 15:16:06 203. FishServ the Tortoise (L17 GrGl of Iashol), incinerated by a hell hog (sticky flame) on Abyss:1 on 2014-07-10 12:59:18, with 134383 points after 26257 turns and 3:40:57. 15:16:13 huh, not that high 15:16:16 R I P 15:16:21 tho I guess it got renamed before merging 15:16:23 didn't the ru change - yeah 15:16:37 !lg * pakellas experimental 15:16:38 322. Jmtri7 the Inquisitive (L8 LaMo of Pakellas), slain by an orc (a +0 trident) on D:5 on 2016-01-01 23:15:39, with 1003 points after 4302 turns and 0:20:09. 15:16:47 !hs . pakellas 15:16:48 6. Jefus the Brilliant (L21 KoAs of Pakellas), hit from afar by a battlesphere (created by a tengu reaver (led by Sojobo)) on Depths:3 on 2015-12-09 17:01:30, with 318941 points after 55050 turns and 6:08:20. 15:17:11 Pakellas best god. 15:17:15 !lg lasty pakellas / won 15:17:16 3/3 games for lasty (pakellas): N=3/3 (100.00%) 15:17:19 8-) 15:18:14 WebFungus: make sure I have a 100% win rate with ancestor god. I did a terrible job w/ Ukayaw: 15:18:18 !lg lasty ukayaw / won 15:18:19 0/3 games for lasty (ukayaw): N=0/3 (0.00%) 15:18:22 wow 15:18:29 underpowered god. buff plz 15:18:33 the most recent one is the worst: 15:18:38 !lg lasty ukayaw 15:18:39 3. Lasty the Dancer (L27 KoEn of Ukayaw), mangled by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2016-02-06 21:49:13, with 557619 points after 70517 turns and 4:13:58. 15:18:41 wait what is ancestor god 15:18:41 at this rate ancestor god will be done sometime around q1 2018 15:18:46 ??helpal 15:18:46 hepliaklqana[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:ally_god 15:18:52 WebFungus: release it as a superbowl promo 15:19:01 rip ukayaw 15:19:02 page is increasingly out of date, but the general idea is there 15:19:05 jk 15:19:10 Lasty_: wow, good death 15:19:23 WebFungus: yeah, I did a really good job there 15:19:38 I'm pretty sure I died as soon as I decided that I could take on the OoF and curse toe at the same time 15:19:48 GOOD combo 15:20:13 #StrongCharProblems 15:21:13 !lg elliptic / won s=god 15:21:14 617/1963 games for elliptic: 108/216x Trog [50.00%], 66/120x Okawaru [55.00%], 58/86x Makhleb [67.44%], 58/104x Kikubaaqudgha [55.77%], 53/74x Vehumet [71.62%], 47/97x Sif Muna [48.45%], 33/50x Ashenzari [66.00%], 32/63x Elyvilon [50.79%], 31/70x Lugonu [44.29%], 22/30x Jiyva [73.33%], 20/734x [2.72%], 19/165x Nemelex Xobeh [11.52%], 16/34x Cheibriados [47.06%], 12/17x The Shining One [70.59%], 10... 15:21:44 !lg elliptic / won s=god o=-% 15:21:45 617/1963 games for elliptic: 20/734x [2.72%], 19/165x Nemelex Xobeh [11.52%], 3/24x Zin [12.50%], 3/22x Yredelemnul [13.64%], 8/22x Xom [36.36%], 31/70x Lugonu [44.29%], 16/34x Cheibriados [47.06%], 47/97x Sif Muna [48.45%], 108/216x Trog [50.00%], 32/63x Elyvilon [50.79%], 66/120x Okawaru [55.00%], 58/104x Kikubaaqudgha [55.77%], 3/5x Fedhas [60.00%], 33/50x Ashenzari [66.00%], 4/6x Dithmenos [66... 15:21:48 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:21:50 !lg elliptic / won s=god o=% 15:21:51 617/1963 games for elliptic: 1/1x Pakellas [100.00%], 1/1x Beogh [100.00%], 5/5x Gozag [100.00%], 10/12x Ru [83.33%], 4/5x Qazlal [80.00%], 22/30x Jiyva [73.33%], 53/74x Vehumet [71.62%], 12/17x The Shining One [70.59%], 58/86x Makhleb [67.44%], 4/6x Dithmenos [66.67%], 33/50x Ashenzari [66.00%], 3/5x Fedhas [60.00%], 58/104x Kikubaaqudgha [55.77%], 66/120x Okawaru [55.00%], 32/63x Elyvilon [50.79... 15:22:04 5/5 Gozag? Dang. 15:22:10 nerf! 15:22:49 saw someone on SA complaining, yesterday. supposedly a dev once said 'the best players in the game having >50% winrate is a bug' 15:23:54 haha 15:24:26 Easy to solve. Give D1 to D2 stairs a 50% chance to kill players who go down them the first time. 15:25:16 50% chance of a d:1 goblin spawning with a wand of death 15:25:33 also, clearly goodplayers would start taking shafts :) 15:25:34 I assume the wand of death evaporates on monster death? 15:25:56 Or maybe zapping the wand of death just always kills the player 15:26:16 #aprilfools2016 15:26:21 max charges: 1/1 15:27:27 -!- glosham has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:28:11 WebFungus: has SA discussed Ukayaw at all? 15:28:25 I think... briefly? I'd have to check 15:31:28 http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3750248&pagenumber=78&perpage=40#post455715339 discussion starts here and goes on to the next page 15:31:54 thanks for posting that original prompt 15:32:00 :) 15:32:11 unfortunately the discussion got waylaid by wandpocalypse 15:32:18 Wandpocalypse 2016 15:34:00 daang, that thread is just everything about crawl, huh? 15:34:27 i got up to "hammer time" and had to stop because that's all i can hear now 15:35:01 haha 15:36:13 haha 15:36:18 god: ruined... or saved!? 15:36:57 definitely saved 15:37:34 :) 15:40:36 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:40:55 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:42:28 yeah, I don't want to deal with felids, so I'll bar them. someone else can implement felid ancestors if this god really takes off. 15:43:10 the problem with really race-specific ancestors is that it feels like a slope toward worse things. what about octopode constrict, or spriggan weapon size restrictions, or...? 15:45:55 sabretoothed tigers...! 15:47:29 can those use weapons? 15:50:31 -!- simples has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:50:37 Check Out These Guns - felid ancestor, while flexing 15:55:06 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:58:12 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:46 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:03:39 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:11:13 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:14:30 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:21:23 -!- glaas has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 16:24:36 <|amethyst> !tell WebFungus re "Check Out These Guns - felid ancestor, while flexing" --- exactly what they're looking for: https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/44w9if/ 16:24:36 |amethyst: OK, I'll let webfungus know. 16:25:05 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:43 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 16:33:09 WebFungus: How close is H to getting an experimental branch 16:33:16 oh derp 16:35:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:35:56 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:46:12 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:55:43 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:51 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:03 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:35 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:05:22 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:21:17 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:22:42 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 17:22:55 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:26:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 17:26:28 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:29:00 -!- amalloy has left ##crawl-dev 17:40:20 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:41:07 -!- zeeratt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:43:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:27 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:46:43 -!- bhaak has joined ##crawl-dev 17:50:09 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:52:10 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:55:23 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:55:25 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 17:57:27 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:57:58 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:59:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:17 -!- sorlin1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:01:43 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1292-ge8ad84c (34) 18:02:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:03:19 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:26 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:19:31 -!- Delreyn has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:21:06 how do you clear all macros? 18:21:17 -!- SirVagabond has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:23:09 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:23:16 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:28:45 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:32 :%s/^#define .*$// 18:30:57 (in vim, anyway. in crawl, i dunno.) 18:31:49 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:32:39 it's not there on ctrl-d? 18:36:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:36:37 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:38:28 <|amethyst> wheals: you can delete a specific macro by key, but there doesn't appear to be an in-game way to wipe the lot 18:38:57 <|amethyst> you can delete your macro.txt or username.macro file 18:39:18 or you can on servers with ssh set up ;) 18:41:44 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:45:06 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:46:37 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:54:35 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:55:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:59:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:06:13 !tell PleasingFungus $(!shrug) 19:06:13 Grunt: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 19:11:31 !tell Grunt $(!blame3 Grunt) 19:11:31 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 19:16:16 -!- IrkenInvader has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:16:19 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:38 -!- WalrusKing__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:17:38 !tell wheals $(!recur !always 6 use recursion) 19:17:45 Maximum message length is 340 characters, but you had 41177. Eschew verbosity, Gladys! 19:17:48 :( 19:18:05 -!- st_ has quit [] 19:18:05 heh 19:18:05 ??goodsequell[rr 19:18:07 goodsequell[4/17]: s?? undefined method `size' for nil:NilClass in goodsequell[rr ~ goodsequell[1/17]: magic resistance[5/6]: "WINNERS DON'T USE DRUGS" in $(if $(match [ ${after}) $(l... in $(ldb-find ${after}) Eww, a bug! 19:18:11 ??goodsequell[rrr 19:18:11 I don't have a page labeled goodsequell[rrr in my learndb. 19:18:15 ??goodsequell[$ 19:18:15 goodsequell[17/17]: yes ~ des[1/2]: 19:18:15 ??goodsequell[AUR 19:18:16 goodsequell[16/17]: AAAAAAAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAAAAAAAURAURAURAAAURAURAURAAAURAURA... 19:18:20 yeah 19:18:46 pure gold? 19:19:04 (...AURum) 19:19:12 geekosaur: don't make puns or Grunt will get arch 19:21:13 -!- jetnerd has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:21:16 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:21:50 is sequell a jojo? 19:22:40 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:23:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:33:46 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51:47 des 19:54:20 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1293-g5a2c81a: Remove Phase Shift 10(2 days ago, 30 files, 41+ 204-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5a2c81ae54ef 19:55:08 that's a lot more LOC than i'd expect 19:55:57 lots of duplicated handling for fancy messages when stuff misses you or monsters because of phaseshift! 19:56:24 i wonder if anyone has ever seen "A tree reaches out and and passes through @foe@!" 19:56:54 that was kind of cool though 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:28 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:04:06 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:09:24 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09:51 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:07 |amethyst: :( 20:13:08 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:14:10 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:27 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:29 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:27:17 -!- amalloy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:28:23 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:27 RIP phaseshift 20:30:39 its days were 20:30:40 !glasses 20:30:41 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 20:30:42 numbered 20:30:52 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:32:20 ahahaha PF i have a funny bug for you 20:32:40 use ?/m to look up "mutant beast" 20:32:50 I also just realized 20:33:06 A larval stingbatfireweirdshockox beast. It sports a set of venomous tails, it flies swiftly and unpredictably, its breath smoulders ominously, it is covered with eyes and tentacles, it flickers and crackles with electricity, and it is covered in dense fur and muscle. It is larval, freshly emerged from its mother's pouch and weak. 20:33:37 phase shift was a holdover from the old devotion school (back then it was known as forescry); when that school was removed it was an effect liked enough to be spared the culling 20:33:56 amalloy: that's not a bug 20:34:04 :vhttp://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=6e95fa8022f97144a6f99af228beaf3d66e90021 20:34:05 |amethyst specifically enabled that 20:34:07 derp 20:34:08 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=6e95fa8022f97144a6f99af228beaf3d66e90021 20:34:17 so you can see all the facets at once 20:34:34 "devotion" 20:34:39 derp 20:34:42 divintation 20:34:45 * geekosaur *snrk* at that 20:34:51 too much MTG 20:35:22 man, that larval description, tho 20:36:27 that's cool i guess. it seems a bit off that you can ?/m a monster that doesn't exist (mutant beast), but not one that does (stingbat beast) 20:37:51 only one exists in the database 20:37:58 fixes welcome :) 20:39:57 mature shockbat beast (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 64-100 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 26 | Res: 06magic(60), 10elec | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1337 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d20) [11!AM, 06!sil] / blinkbolt (2d20) [11!AM, 06!sil], fire breath (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] / fire breath (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] / fire breath (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], blinkbolt (2d20) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:39:57 %??mutant beast 20:40:08 unknown monster: "primal shockbat beast" 20:40:08 %??primal shockbat beast 20:40:11 so many colors 20:40:11 come on 20:40:19 mature shockbat beast (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 64-100 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 26 | Res: 06magic(60), 10elec | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1337 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d20) [11!AM, 06!sil] / blinkbolt (2d20) [11!AM, 06!sil], fire breath (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] / fire breath (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] / fire breath (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], blinkbolt (2d20) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:40:19 %??mutant beast 20:40:42 it's gonna give you the same name every time 20:40:50 I'm trying to remember how to use the vault spec, it's weird 20:41:28 unknown monster: "mature shockbat mbeast" 20:41:28 %??mature shockbat mbeast 20:41:44 unknown monster: "mbeast" 20:41:44 %??mbeast 20:41:58 mature batox beast (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 67-102 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 26, 1507(trample) | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1351 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d20) [11!AM, 06!sil] / fire breath (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] / fire breath (3d30) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], blinkbolt (2d20) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:41:58 %??mature mbeast 20:41:59 <|amethyst> @??primal shock-bat mbeast 20:41:59 primal shockbat beast (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 127-173 | AC/EV: 8/5 | Dam: 40 | Res: 06magic(108), 10elec | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 7094 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d29) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:42:02 ty 20:42:11 <|amethyst> @??primal shock-bat-ox-ghost mbeast 20:42:11 unknown monster: "primal shock-bat-ox-ghost mbeast" 20:42:26 <|amethyst> oh 20:42:29 <|amethyst> @??primal shock-bat-ox-weird mbeast 20:42:29 primal shockbatoxweird beast (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 127-173 | AC/EV: 13/5 | Dam: 40, 2507(trample), 2503(constrict) | Res: 06magic(108), 02cold, 10elec | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 7094 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d29) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:42:42 <|amethyst> @??primal shock-shock-shock mbeast 20:42:42 primal shockshockshock beast (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 127-173 | AC/EV: 8/5 | Dam: 40 | Res: 06magic(108), 10elec | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 3800 | Sp: blinkbolt (2d29) [11!AM, 06!sil], blinkbolt (2d29) [11!AM, 06!sil], blinkbolt (2d29) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:42:46 lol 20:43:00 it shocks you, doesn't it! 20:43:00 <|amethyst> @??primal ox-ox-ox mbeast 20:43:00 primal oxoxox beast (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 127-173 | AC/EV: 13/5 | Dam: 40, 2507(trample), 2507(trample), 2507(trample) | Res: 06magic(108), 02cold | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 3800 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:43:08 <|amethyst> I wonder 20:43:14 <|amethyst> would that actually work? 20:43:19 @??primal ox-ox-ox-ox-ox mbeast 20:43:19 primal oxoxoxoxox beast (06H) | Spd: 10 | HD: 27 | HP: 127-173 | AC/EV: 13/5 | Dam: 40, 2507(trample), 2507(trample), 2507(trample) | Res: 06magic(108), 02cold | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 3800 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 20:43:21 <|amethyst> and shove the player three squares in one attack 20:43:26 imo 20:43:29 test and find out 20:44:06 <|amethyst> what is trample resistance based on? 20:44:14 i'm definitely being trampled repeatedly 20:44:16 size? 20:44:37 <|amethyst> ah, yeah, apparently just size difference 20:44:41 but only moved back one square 20:44:43 <|amethyst> let me turn into a spriggan then 20:45:14 <|amethyst> ah 20:45:14 I did that 20:45:17 <|amethyst> following is a fineff 20:45:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:46:27 <|amethyst> so it keeps attacking until it tramples you, then has to stop 20:47:43 <|amethyst> hmm... too bad you can't combine AF_TRAMPLE and AF_REACH 20:48:29 the legendary long-range trample... 20:50:35 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:52:54 oxoxoxoxox ml 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:07:56 -!- molotove has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:11:46 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:16:05 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:38 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:19:35 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:25:31 -!- molotove has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:33:19 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:37:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 21:37:38 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:39:54 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:02 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:48:34 Grunt: did you see my q yesterday wrt needlestabbing + shouting 21:50:26 did you not see my answer 21:50:32 -!- doubleD_ has quit [] 21:51:39 -!- Crawl_Bacchus has quit [Client Quit] 21:51:48 so needlestabbing is like the old "throw rocks at a wandering monster"? 21:52:47 PleasingFungus: in any case, on reflection I do think it was intentional - cf. using disabling needles like paralysis or confusion 21:52:57 I din't see it 21:53:01 seems odder with poison 21:53:08 since that's not disabling 21:53:12 though the right approach there might be to allow a shout after the initial effect if possible 21:53:23 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:53:29 <|amethyst> I thought stabs specifically disabled shouting 21:54:02 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 21:54:24 |amethyst: yes 21:54:31 it's a little odd with blowguns, though 21:54:42 let me find the grunt response. 21:54:44 i find it strange how needlestabbing works 21:55:01 oh, your response was shrug? 21:55:09 I didn't realize what that was in context of 21:55:38 yes, that was the reponse :b 21:55:42 because I didn't know at the time 21:55:45 for instance stabbing with curare 21:55:54 does that like actually use the stab formulas to determine the extra damage dealt 21:56:00 or is it simply 2x or something 21:56:15 I don't even remember at this point 21:56:18 just that it's weird 21:56:21 it always seemed very strange and confusing 21:56:57 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:58:41 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:58:56 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:08 minmay noted, back when it was added, that you don't have the same tradeoffs as with normal stabbing 22:00:23 you don't have to try to creep *toward* an enemy, putting yourself at risk if there are other enemies waiting beyond 22:00:29 you just shoot from edge of los and retreat 22:00:34 implying you do have the same benefits? 22:00:45 like would a stabbed high skill poison needle let you exceed the normal monster poison cap 22:01:14 true that the benefits aren't of the same order 22:01:24 not instakill in the same cases 22:01:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:01:38 well, i genuinely wasn't sure 22:02:00 never really tried stabbing with regular poison needles at high skill 22:02:25 with sufficiently high skills you can curare an orb guardian to death with one needle 22:02:45 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:15 that i have done 22:03:17 actually 22:03:26 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:03:31 (I'm trying to remember which character of mine it was that I did that with) 22:03:42 so it does let you exceed the normal poison damage over time i guess? 22:03:57 I think specifically for poison, no 22:04:02 but again I don't remember how that works 22:04:13 well i can't even reemmber whether it was an instakill or not when i tried it 22:04:18 with curare 22:04:27 just that one needle did kill them quickly 22:05:01 how about remove needle stabbing 22:05:32 i mean, just because it's a completely arcane mechanic doesn't mean it's bad, though 22:05:39 it's kinda fun and appropriate for stealthy chars 22:07:36 I don't mind ranged stabbing in general but why only blowguns but not other throwing weapons? 22:08:04 i think special needles working on demons could legitimately go though 22:08:22 actually I think I do mind it, the non-shouting on stab was presumably(???) added so that it's possible to walk right up to a band of monsters and kill a few. But needle stabbing is just luring in another form 22:08:54 how about shout if the monster doesn't die instantly 22:09:03 or get para'd 22:09:12 tho i think special needles working on demons could also go 22:09:23 its just a way to stab inordinately low hd uniques with no risk 22:09:45 like 22:09:48 antaeus? 22:09:50 or what 22:09:55 make curare stop shouting, and everything else act normal? 22:09:56 <|amethyst> don't we already have enough things that don't work on demons? 22:10:00 antaeus, cerebov etc 22:10:10 i mean its just a silly secret tech i think 22:10:13 <|amethyst> zxc: curare no longer has anything to do with being able to make sound 22:10:17 do they work on cerebov 22:10:20 yeah 22:10:24 <|amethyst> that was considered spoilery 22:10:25 but if poison worked on demons... the game would be ruined! 22:10:32 zxc: you can thank me for that 22:10:41 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 22:10:48 it was more the convoker/curare tech that was 'spoilery' iirc 22:10:54 it was a very weird and silly secret tech 22:11:01 hmm 22:11:07 I liked it but it was a bit spoilery 22:11:20 i mean, i think para needle on cerebov etc is equally silly secret tech 22:11:21 <|amethyst> also draconians, no? 22:11:24 o.O 22:11:26 <|amethyst> and dragons 22:11:29 you could easily just add info to the description of blowguns/needles 22:11:34 since if they actually had the HD of a normal random pan lord it would be much less reliable 22:11:53 zxc: "add info to the manual" is not that different from "keep it secret tech" imo 22:11:59 y'know, just knowing about curare in real life, I had wondered if that carried through to the point of topping convokers... 22:12:35 cerebov is in the range of normal pan lord HD 22:12:36 iirc 22:12:38 @??pandemonium lord 22:12:38 pandemonium lord (08&) | Spd: 10-19 | HD: 23 | HP: 124-230 | AC/EV: 14/15 | Dam: 35 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(153), 05fire++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5228 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Large | Int: human. 22:12:41 hm 22:12:57 oh, i was thinking 30 22:13:04 i mean, that's still higher 22:13:09 pan lord HD ranges 22:13:11 from 10 to 30 22:13:16 thats a big range 22:13:19 it is! 22:13:21 @??cerebov 22:13:21 Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 540-782 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 22660 | Sp: fire storm (8d16 / 8d17) [06!sil], iron shot (3d36) [06!sil], haste [06!sil], sum.greater demon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant.. 22:13:25 he's right in th emiddle 22:14:15 i mean their HD is low for balancing reasons i guess? 22:14:20 and its grandfathered in for spell freuency 22:14:25 freQuency 22:14:43 20 hd isn't particularly low 22:14:49 and it's about spellpower, not frequency 22:14:53 @??cerebov hd:30 22:14:53 Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 784-1091 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 64376 | Sp: fire storm (8d23 / 8d24) [06!sil], iron shot (3d48) [06!sil], haste [06!sil], sum.greater demon [06!sil] | Sz: Gian.. 22:14:59 yes, i know 22:15:12 since frequency is explicitly stated now 22:15:24 little confused about your point, then 22:15:25 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:15:40 that their HD is low for spellpower balancing reasons 22:15:49 chequers: can't you suggest something cool or useful 22:16:03 PleasingFungus 20 hd isn't particularly low 22:16:28 i mean, if we assume hd = rough approximation of difficulty 22:16:36 @??greater mummy 22:16:36 greater mummy (00M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 162-226 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 6184 | Sp: sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.emperor scorpions / sum.demon, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undea.. 22:16:43 -!- ChongLi has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:44 i would say it's on the low side because there are 30 hd monsters in the game 22:16:55 man 22:16:56 not many 22:17:01 it is the roughest of all possible approximations 22:17:05 there is like 1? 22:17:05 it's such a weird thing 22:17:06 lol 22:17:18 two 22:17:18 maybe two yeah 22:17:18 Orbs of fire and the Lernaean Hydra 22:17:22 what about serpent of hell 22:17:23 @??curse skull 22:17:23 curse skull (13z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 45-59 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1581 | Sp: sum.undead [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 22:17:30 the Serpent of Hell (05D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 17 | HP: 280 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 3504(fire:17-33) per head, 1509(claw), 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11321 | Sp: {head 1: fire breath (3d34), head 2: flaming cloud (d25), head 3: fireball (3d27)} [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], sum.dragon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 22:17:30 %??serpent of hell 22:17:33 nope HD17 22:17:40 -!- vev has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:17:40 @??serpent of hell hd:30 22:17:41 the Serpent of Hell (05D) | Spd: 14 | HD: 30 | HP: 423-585 | AC/EV: 16/12 | Dam: 3504(fire:30-59) per head, 1509(claw), 1507(trample) | 05demonic, 04breaks doors, unholy, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 59018 | Sp: {head 1: fire breath (3d60), head 2: flaming cloud (d45), head 3: fireball (3d4.. 22:17:44 3d60 22:17:45 DANG 22:17:55 the serpents of hell all have different HD 22:17:57 16, 17, 18, 21 22:18:08 but yeah 22:18:11 another thing that is spoilery is finding out how much MR is enough vs liches and ancient liches sincie they don't display hex success chance in their description unlike other hexing enemies 22:18:17 ok i withdraw the statement about HD21 being low in a relative sense 22:18:24 i do still think needling cerebov is silly 22:18:26 zxc: how about: ash item cursing is an ability, not special scrolls created by praying 22:18:30 spoilery.... 22:18:39 chequers: that is a suggestion of mine 22:18:52 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:18:57 its a suggestion of chequers as well coincidentally enough 22:19:39 it is a pull request of mine, so i get squatter's rights 22:20:03 related dev question: when I remove an item, do I need to remove the tile definitions from rltiles/dc-item.txt ? 22:20:36 i think it might not compile? 22:20:40 nothing will break if you don't afaik, but there's no reason to keep it 22:20:42 i tried adding an item before and ran into issues with that 22:20:51 though adding is different from removing 22:20:53 probably it will break if you remove the tile though 22:21:15 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:27 do you remove tiles of removed items? 22:22:10 i think we do 22:22:25 the scrolls might be an exception, since they still have a use if you load an old save 22:22:27 chequers: I should introduce you to zxc-crawl 22:22:57 and in that case you might want to put a # remove when it is not true that TAG_MAJOR_VERSION == 34 comment 22:23:05 ah yes, thanks 22:23:19 i think there are some of those in the dc-* files 22:23:45 <|amethyst> and make sure you put the relevant tilepick.cc code in an #if 22:24:28 <|amethyst> basically, dc-* should change in tandem with tilepick.cc 22:25:13 hm, tilepick.cc doesn't reference SCR_CURSE_* 22:25:29 <|amethyst> oh 22:25:37 <|amethyst> right 22:25:44 SCR_ID 22:26:17 <|amethyst> the tilepick code assumes the dc-* entries match the enum in order 22:26:38 right. So i'll add a comment and it'll be found when compile breaks after removing all the TAG==34 stuff :) 22:26:51 <|amethyst> for scrolls, wands, potions, jewellery, and some other things 22:26:57 <|amethyst> s/some/maybe some/ 22:26:58 unless you want to extend preprocessor support to rltiles/ ...? 22:27:20 <|amethyst> would be nice and not hard to do 22:27:22 <|amethyst> but 22:28:04 <|amethyst> oh 22:28:20 <|amethyst> I was going to say you'd still have the pain of matching up things that get reordered for the 22:28:35 <|amethyst> next version; but scrolls haven't been subject to that particular indignity 22:29:07 i can't believe you actually went to check that specific example rather than just talking in the general case 22:29:46 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:30:37 there's a script for removing those #ifs that would probably work fine on one of the dc-*.txt 22:31:25 wheals: i'm going to push the remaining ash curse work in ~15mins 22:32:03 hm, copy question. The 'Cost' of Curse Item ability is 'Remove Curse Scroll' -- should I capitalise it differently? 22:32:07 Remove curse scroll ? 22:32:42 scroll of remove curse? 22:32:45 <|amethyst> Scroll of remove curse 22:32:46 <|amethyst> yeah 22:32:50 yeah, call it what the game calls it :P 22:32:52 <|amethyst> I guess that's kind of long 22:33:04 too long 22:33:27 actually, it fits 22:33:28 you can just cost Item 22:33:39 and then let the long-form explain 22:34:00 <|amethyst> If you needed to make it that short, I'd say ?RC and let the long form explain :P 22:35:11 the ability duration is 1.5 turns, is that normal? 22:35:12 what about tiles? 22:35:27 can we include a picture of a scroll of remove curse? 22:35:52 <|amethyst> ? is still the shortcut in pickup menus, \, etc 22:35:55 well, you don't include a picture for anything else, so it seems Too Hard 22:35:55 <|amethyst> so it's fine :) 22:36:51 <|amethyst> Quiz: not counting renames (which includes Enchant Weapon), what six scrolls have been added in Stone Soup? 22:37:05 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:07 <|amethyst> you could argue that the number is five, but you'd be wrong 22:37:15 <|amethyst> (imo) 22:37:19 daaaad 22:37:24 no more quizzes 22:37:53 five is right out. 22:38:02 so, not counting summoning and unholy creation twice? :P 22:38:09 <|amethyst> right 22:38:25 <|amethyst> also not counting Brand Weapon 22:38:48 in the ability menu's ?, the curse item description says This ability costs: nothing. 22:38:56 but it works on the ability summary screen @_@ 22:39:17 fog, fear, summoning, one of the curse scrolls maybe?, amnesia, silence, i think? 22:39:21 <|amethyst> chequers: _detailed_cost_description 22:39:29 is the order of dat/descript/ability.txt meaningful? 22:39:31 <|amethyst> summoning isn't new 22:39:38 holy word instead maybe 22:39:39 i'd guess immolation, but i wasn't around back then 22:39:45 <|amethyst> chequers: alphabetic order is preferred but doesn't matter 22:39:55 <|amethyst> chequers: doesn't matter to the code I mean 22:39:59 immolation in its current effect is but i think the explodey one has been around forever 22:40:04 <|amethyst> yeah 22:40:09 |amethyst: how'd i do 22:40:11 aka scroll of beogh wrath 22:40:14 ok ta 22:40:36 i think curse jewellery was added for ash, but i may be wrong 22:40:48 <|amethyst> wheals: fog, holy word, vuln, silence, amnesia, curse jewellery 4/6 not bad 22:41:16 <|amethyst> "amnesia" is the one someone could argue about because there used to be a "scroll of forgetfulness" 22:41:22 <|amethyst> but that was replaced by fog, not amnesia 22:41:51 ah 22:42:12 <|amethyst> %git 7ef7c92 22:42:12 07haranp02 * 0.4-a0-248-g7ef7c92: Forgetfulness removed; it's now a scroll of fog with a 1-in-10 chance of producing miasma instead. 10(8 years ago, 6 files, 16+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7ef7c9267668 22:42:18 wha 22:42:22 bring that back imo 22:42:34 |amethyst: given the first entry in abiltiy.txt is Spit Poison I'm going to leave alpha ordering to another commit :) 22:42:40 <|amethyst> (it went through a few rounds of removal and change before that i think---at one point it made you forget the map) 22:42:41 what did that do? 22:42:42 what could g wrong 22:42:42 <|amethyst> chequers: haha 22:42:49 ?forgetfulness that is 22:42:59 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: last version made you forget identification of items in inventory 22:43:04 oh 22:43:06 hilarious 22:43:23 <|amethyst> %git 144d58e00 22:43:23 07galehar02 {kilobyte} * 0.8.0-a0-1535-g144d58e: replace selective amnesia with scroll of amnesia 10(5 years ago, 18 files, 45+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/144d58e00292 22:43:27 just like it's hilarious in nethack 22:44:19 <|amethyst> FR: rename scroll of amnesia to scroll of forgetfulness, and swap its enum with fog's 22:45:56 brilliant 22:45:58 <|amethyst> scrolls that were in crawl-ref but are gone: detect curse, paper, forgetfulness, EWII, EWIII 22:47:31 and soon curse armour and curse weapon 22:49:06 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:49:29 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:49:34 and curse jewellery 22:49:47 no, because that wasn't in crawl-ref 22:49:55 Bring Back EW-III 22:50:03 EWEWEW 22:50:03 Ew-keys activated 22:50:06 oh, as in old crawl 22:51:07 ty sequell. 22:52:10 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:52:39 damn you MPA, this doesn't merge cleanly any more 22:52:59 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/216 * 0.18-a0-1059-g3659ce3: Replace curse scrolls with curse item ability. 10(16 hours ago, 22 files, 198+ 138-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3659ce33736e 22:53:20 PleasingFungus: when you removed some wand types, why did you convert existing wands into wands of nothing, rather than either a) keeping the wands in existing games or b) converting the wands to a still-extant type 22:53:53 seemed simplest 22:54:08 chequers: amulets paved the way with amulets of nothing anyway 22:54:09 -!- eb_ has quit [] 22:54:14 makes sense 22:54:34 i do not miss detect curse 22:54:37 it's less important for wands though 22:54:42 did paper have any purpose? 22:54:43 since you don't get artefact wands 22:54:53 like was there anyway to write scrolls? 22:54:59 could you burn it? 22:55:08 you had to boot up nethack and get a magic marker 22:55:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:26 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 22:55:35 ah 22:55:39 pain in the ass 22:55:45 <|amethyst> did nothing and didn't disappear when you read it 22:55:53 <|amethyst> I imagine it burned like other scrolls though 22:56:51 "did nothing and didn't disappear when you read it". what a killer feature we will all sorely miss 22:56:55 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:57:17 we don't miss it, cos random uselessness does that sometimes! 22:57:44 ps, since poison was merged into degen, can we merge degen into uselessness? or vice versa 22:57:59 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:58:00 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:58:05 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/216 * 0.18-a0-1293-g13a2642: Replace curse scrolls with curse item ability. 10(16 hours ago, 22 files, 198+ 138-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13a2642afb52 22:58:07 what happened when you read an already-identified scroll of paper? "You read the scroll of paper. It's papery."? 22:58:07 <|amethyst> potions added (including complete replacements): resistance, blood, lignification, benemut, cancellation, ambrosia 22:58:28 scrolls of paper could summon a paper tiger 22:59:05 -!- Avigdore has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:04 amalloy: "tastes pulpy." 23:00:09 this sounds just bizarre enough it's plausible for oldcrawl 23:00:47 <|amethyst> "This scroll appears to be blank." 23:01:13 <|amethyst> not sure if there was anything to prevent you reading an IDed one, but I doubt it 23:01:33 apply fruit to a scroll of paper to read the invisible ink 23:01:33 <|amethyst> not sure if they needed to be IDed 23:01:47 then sacrifice to nem 23:02:19 * geekosaur read a couple accidentally back then. It just said that 23:02:34 (forgot to drop them presumably) 23:02:50 chequers: I think that feature of random uselessness was removed 23:02:55 for code complexity reasons 23:02:56 :( 23:03:01 i haven't seen it in a while 23:03:03 makes me sad 23:03:13 yeah, mpa or lasty iirc 23:03:17 |amethyst: you forgot coagulated blood 23:03:20 i really miss it too 23:03:23 =p 23:03:24 mmm 23:03:26 %git 6fdb224c6c4ee344f3e39f973f2f1fefec14615e 23:03:26 07reaverb02 * 0.17-a0-790-g6fdb224: Don't reassemble scrolls of random uselessness 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6fdb224c6c4e 23:03:27 coagulated blood 23:03:38 <|amethyst> wheals: I wasn't counting things that had been removed since 23:03:38 Devs Hate Fun 23:03:58 pretty much 23:04:24 PleasingFungus: rip 23:06:20 fr: potions of glue 23:06:37 then we can paste up scrolls of paper on the walls 23:06:42 and leave messages 23:07:37 "would the last one out of the dungeon please turn off the lights?" 23:08:22 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:08:34 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:09:16 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:09:27 <|amethyst> The bread ration is a lie! 23:15:53 wheals: thanks for comments, any more or should i push the fixes 23:16:04 i think that's it 23:17:03 ok, pushed 23:17:05 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:17:54 -!- sitnaltax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:18:29 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/216 * 0.18-a0-1293-gf0d2d53: Replace curse scrolls with curse item ability. 10(16 hours ago, 22 files, 195+ 153-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0d2d537d3c4 23:18:36 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:21:14 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 23:23:53 you could also write on the back of junk scrolls and leave them around for other people 23:24:18 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:24:18 "This scroll of torment has a message scrawled on the back. Read?" 23:25:23 the message is just more torment 23:25:31 <|amethyst> FR: two-sided scrolls 23:25:35 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:25:47 <|amethyst> or potions 23:25:50 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:26:10 FR: one-sided scrolls 23:28:06 This potion has two separate compartments! mix them...!? 23:28:26 also 23:28:27 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 23:28:44 a death just brought it to my attention that acid and petrify are very good together 23:28:51 wrt killing players 23:28:55 something to keep in mind for design??? 23:29:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:29:33 <|amethyst> new transmuter book 23:30:59 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 23:31:53 -!- nikheizen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:32:09 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:35:21 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:39:55 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:40:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:43:51 traps that turn you to stone and drip acid on you! 23:44:12 oh, hounds that instantly petrify the player and surround them with yellow dracs 23:44:13 ! 23:44:39 yellow draconians with pet catlobes 23:44:56 jorgrun with pet yellow draconians 23:45:03 who of course, have pet catlobes. 23:45:29 heh 23:45:55 make all catlobes fedhas worshippers 23:46:04 they just turn the plants around into oklobs 23:46:47 >You are stoned on acid! 23:49:11 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:51:01 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:52:01 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:52:37 -!- djanatyn is now known as djan_angelica 23:58:57 -!- Crawl_Bacchus has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!]