00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:33 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:22 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:06:17 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 00:06:32 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:11:46 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:11:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:14:10 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:49 -!- wheals has quit [Client Quit] 00:16:38 here's a copy editing issue: a lot of mutations have three level descriptions looking like this: you sometimes x / you x / you often x 00:16:53 if you just look at the level 2 mutation, it's not clear there's a quantity in there 00:16:58 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:19:51 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:20:11 regen mut is not really clear either 00:20:18 "you regenerate" being better 00:20:32 probably it should use the same format as the previous two with a stronger adjective 00:20:42 yeah, I think each level having a qualifier works 00:20:53 you regenerate a [little|moderately|much] faster 00:21:02 if you can use consistent words across muts that helps too 00:22:56 your flesh is a [little|moderately|much] more heat resistant 00:23:05 a much 00:23:13 u know what i mean 00:23:15 I think s/a [/[ a/ 00:23:46 You can spit [weak|moderately strong| a very strong cloud of] poison 00:24:05 *You can spit [a little|moderately strong| a very strong cloud of] poison 00:24:16 try to use little/moderate/strong(/much) in each desc 00:24:48 !learn add chequers_todo you regenerate a [little|moderately|much] faster -- for every mut 00:24:49 chequers todo[1/1]: you regenerate a [little|moderately|much] faster -- for every mut 00:25:05 !lg . title=lord_of_darkness 00:25:06 1. chequers the Lord of Darkness (L14 DsNe of Kikubaaqudgha), mangled by an ettin (a +0 dire flail) on Orc:1 on 2016-02-05 05:22:06, with 53784 points after 29895 turns and 1:06:44. 00:25:10 !lg * title=lord_of_darkness 00:25:11 468. chequers the Lord of Darkness (L14 DsNe of Kikubaaqudgha), mangled by an ettin (a +0 dire flail) on Orc:1 on 2016-02-05 05:22:06, with 53784 points after 29895 turns and 1:06:44. 00:25:12 !lg * title=lord_of_darkness min=xl 00:25:13 468. keymashgrqeeg the Lord of Darkness (L11 DsNe of Kikubaaqudgha), blasted by an orc zombie (exploding inner flame) (animated by the player character (hexed by the player character)) on Orc:3 on 2014-12-22 01:46:27, with 10112 points after 13014 turns and 2:11:10. 00:25:52 <|amethyst> chequers: "you spit a little poison" doesn't sound right... 00:27:03 what do higher levels of poison spit even do? 00:27:07 more damage? 00:27:13 <|amethyst> L3 gives you a cloud 00:28:10 <|amethyst> chequers: I think you'd want at least two sets of words: adverbs and adjectives 00:28:22 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1243-g9e52518 (34) 00:28:40 <|amethyst> hm... this seems to work for me, time to ship it 00:30:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1244-g4b50b41: Replace string throws in level_id and related classes. 10(2 hours ago, 11 files, 68+ 49-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4b50b41158b5 00:30:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1245-ge280014: Replace string throw in map_flags::parse. 10(28 minutes ago, 2 files, 12+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e2800144bafc 00:30:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1246-g515b9c3: Replace string throws in map_*_marker::parse. 10(8 minutes ago, 3 files, 31+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/515b9c34ca5b 00:30:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1247-g4b2c31a: Remove an unused global. 10(60 minutes ago, 2 files, 0+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4b2c31adf545 00:30:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1248-g9fff5a6: Replace string throws in arena code. 10(41 minutes ago, 1 file, 35+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9fff5a66d3f1 00:30:38 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1249-gd1621d3: Replace string throw in assert_read_safe_path. 10(18 minutes ago, 4 files, 25+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d1621d3bbc06 00:30:59 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:05 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:31:27 * Grunt covers |amethyst in silly string. 00:31:48 !kazoostorm Grunt 00:31:52 ! 00:37:58 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:38:20 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:46:07 -!- chunes has quit [] 00:52:01 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:59:49 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:59:57 <|amethyst> hmm... | doesn't appear to work in webtiles except for |p 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:04:32 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:07:16 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:26 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1249-gd1621d3 (34) 01:12:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1250-gaedd435: Disable |w and |h in local tiles. 10(16 minutes ago, 1 file, 12+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aedd4353fbb6 01:12:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1251-gefeb085: Make |w and |h enable the monster layer. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/efeb085a6a9e 01:15:50 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:17:09 -!- ktgrey has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:18:08 |w and |h/ 01:18:09 ? 01:18:21 <|amethyst> show monster weapons and monster health 01:18:26 -!- molotove has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:18:45 <|amethyst> (console only, though not disabled in webtiles at the moment in the hopes that someone implements them) 01:19:19 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:19:56 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1249-gd1621d3 (34) 01:20:52 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:22:15 oh 01:22:23 heh 01:26:27 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:29:43 -!- _EGAce has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30:31 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:36:36 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:38:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1252-gb1104b1: Remove a stray whitespace. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1104b1ca19c 01:38:08 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1253-g9e1c3a1: Simplify dgn_veto_exception and ext_fail_exception. 10(13 minutes ago, 6 files, 18+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e1c3a126110 01:40:41 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:44:20 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:45:16 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46:24 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:50:27 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:50:44 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 01:56:42 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1253-g9e1c3a1 01:57:47 -!- nosratheno has quit [Quit: Zzzzz] 01:58:06 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:56 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:03:13 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:03:50 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:06:46 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:09:16 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10:51 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:11:48 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:12:49 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:14:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:14:47 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:15:25 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:17:50 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:01 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:19:43 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:23:25 -!- Rast- has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:24:17 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:24:28 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:35 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:30:53 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:56 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:35:49 -!- FireSight has quit [] 02:39:36 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:41 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:46:36 rip cszo 02:47:47 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 02:50:29 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:51:57 ??is_cszo_down 02:52:00 14 minutes, 37 seconds since last activity (cszo) 02:53:09 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 02:54:15 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1253-g9e1c3a1 02:56:14 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 02:59:56 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:51 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:02:04 -!- twb has joined ##crawl-dev 03:02:16 If I want to use the system lua, does it have to be lua 5.1? 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at you. 10:06:13 You feel your power leaking away. 10:06:15 Really attack the eye of draining? This attack would place you under penance! 10:06:18 is this... right? 10:06:27 (jiyva) 10:08:26 <|amethyst> is it hostile? 10:08:38 also: The eye of draining changes into an octopode! 10:08:39 8-) 10:08:41 <|amethyst> aha 10:08:47 <|amethyst> that was my next question 10:08:49 hehe 10:10:14 it seemed like it should be hostile if it was draining me, but felt like a weird situation overall 10:10:30 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:11:21 -!- |amethys1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:12:48 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:13:12 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:17 <|amethyst> attacking it wouldn't have actually put you under penance then 10:15:20 <|amethyst> but 10:15:47 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:07 <|amethyst> there are other situations that could cause a hostile jelly etc, and then you would take penance 10:17:36 <|amethyst> looking at slime_convert: the monster might not have been a jelly when it first into view, but then was polymorphed somehow *other* than being a shapeshifter 10:18:05 -!- |amethys1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18:07 <|amethyst> the monster might have been enslaved when you first saw it 10:18:40 <|amethyst> or you might have been under penance when you first saw it: you won't get another chance to convert it, but jiyva will still be mad if you hurt it 10:19:19 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:19:58 |amethyst: that seems a bit terrible 10:21:15 hmm 10:23:22 i was not under penance when i saw it. not sure about what form it was first as there were several monsters between us at first 10:23:43 <|amethyst> you didn't see it change 10:23:53 <|amethyst> or you wouldn't have gotten the warning 10:24:13 ah ok 10:24:17 <|amethyst> (and it would be a eye of draining-shaped shifter) 10:24:21 ahh 10:24:35 that makes more sense now 10:24:51 <|amethyst> Lasty_: then penance bit specifically? 10:24:55 <|amethyst> Lasty_: s/then/the/ 10:25:18 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:25:32 i would've been extra confused if i hadn't gone through slime earlier to affirm the jelly/eye connection 10:25:34 <|amethyst> Lasty_: the other two are extremely rare and *also* will still cause conversion when it notices you (so I guess couldn't have been the case here) 10:26:25 |amethyst: yeah; you're in penance, so you run into jellies that hate you but attacking them puts you into deeper penance. Seems like a potential infinite penance loop... 10:26:33 Oh, ah 10:26:34 having eyeballs all over my body also verifies this though 8-) 10:26:43 As long as it eventually converts 10:26:50 <|amethyst> Lasty_: the penance one's wont 10:26:53 ah 10:27:01 That seems problematic to me 10:27:12 At the very least, once you get out of penance they should try to convert 10:27:53 <|amethyst> ohh 10:27:55 <|amethyst> actually 10:27:57 <|amethyst> it does that 10:28:05 <|amethyst> there's a daction to remove the MF_ATT_CHANGE_ATTEMPT 10:28:20 <|amethyst> !source religion.cc:1129 10:28:21 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/religion.cc#l1129 10:29:06 <|amethyst> I wonder what's the point of using MF_ATT_CHANGE_ATTEMPT at all then 10:29:29 -!- West1C has quit [] 10:29:33 hrmm 10:29:34 <|amethyst> since, if you're still under penance, you won't be able to change their attitude anyway, and once you're out of penance it's taken away 10:29:39 lol 10:29:45 Yeah, that seems wrong 10:29:48 <|amethyst> there might be something I'm missing though 10:31:03 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 10:31:26 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 10:36:22 -!- njorth has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:40:30 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:40:54 -!- zxc has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:41:24 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:42:03 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:16 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:44:35 -!- |amethys1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:44:50 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:46:22 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 10:47:27 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:48:16 -!- tymate has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:17 -!- tymate is now known as infrashortfoo 10:48:21 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:24 -!- Torax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:54:08 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:55:25 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:57:53 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:46 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:17 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:01 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:06:03 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:06:04 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 11:12:32 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:22:47 |amethys1: originally, i think they stayed hostile after penance? 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http://i.imgur.com/95pfuuM.png 12:30:38 I would think so 12:32:24 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:31 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 12:33:41 <|amethyst> hm 12:33:49 <|amethyst> trying to figure out how that could happen 12:34:00 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 12:34:12 <|amethyst> since both mons_check_pool and _random_monster_nearby_habitable_space check monster_habitable_grid 12:34:32 <|amethyst> the only thing I can think of is if _random_monster_nearby_habitable_space didn't find a spot so kept the original position 12:34:50 <|amethyst> but that's weird because how was mara standing there in the first place? 12:35:29 <|amethyst> !lm kiel97 uniq=mara 12:35:30 3. [2016-02-05 17:18:30] Kiel97 the Bludgeoner (L18 GrFi of Okawaru) killed Mara on turn 43068. (Swamp:3) 12:35:42 <|amethyst> !lm kiel97 uniq=mara -tv:<0.3 12:35:43 3. Kiel97, XL18 GrFi, T:43068 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:36:07 <|amethyst> that's weird 12:36:24 <|amethyst> !lm kiel97 uniq=mara -tv:<0.3:x0.2 12:36:25 3. Kiel97, XL18 GrFi, T:43068 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:37:01 Mara (13R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 140 | AC/EV: 12/14 | Dam: 30 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 7804 | Sp: blink [06!sil], b.fire (3d27) [06!sil], mara summon [06!sil], sum.illusion [06!sil], pain (d17) [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:37:01 %??mara 12:37:09 huh 12:37:14 for some reason i always assumed he could fly 12:37:26 so did the game apparently 12:37:46 rakshasa (08R) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 50-84 | AC/EV: 8/14 | Dam: 20 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 993 | Sp: mystic blast (3d16) [06!sil], phantom mirror [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:37:46 %??rakshasa 12:39:33 <|amethyst> oh 12:39:38 <|amethyst> !lm kiel97 uniq=mara -tv:<0.2:x0.2 12:39:39 3. Kiel97, XL18 GrFi, T:43068 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 12:40:11 <|amethyst> aha 12:40:18 <|amethyst> it was shallow water with a rain cloud 12:40:38 <|amethyst> oh, no, that's just swamp mist I guess 12:41:11 sorry, just curious-anyone know why cszo's down right now? 12:41:37 <|amethyst> Shard1697: 13 packets transmitted, 4 packets received, 69% packet loss 12:42:19 <|amethyst> the whole ISP seems to be having problems 12:42:41 -!- ccsdcss has quit [Client Quit] 12:42:44 well, guess I'll try again tommorow 12:43:10 <|amethyst> might try later today, usually it only lasts a few hours 12:43:15 linode .tx.us is getting ddosed off and on fwiw 12:43:27 which isn;t the same ISP but it seems the kiddies are playing this week 12:43:53 (freenode's also getting hit off and on) 12:44:01 <|amethyst> well, this ISP isn't always the most competent in the first place 12:44:52 <|amethyst> oh, hey 12:44:52 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:59 <|amethyst> now the packet loss seems to have cleared up 12:45:24 <|amethyst> oh, no 12:45:33 !source monster_habitable_grid 12:45:33 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-place.cc#l115 12:46:49 something odd: it looks like there's nothing keeping a monster from trying (and failing) to blink into another monster 12:47:16 fr: telefrags 12:47:38 !send Medar ukayaw 12:47:38 Sending ukayaw to Medar. 12:47:46 or, vice versa 12:48:12 oh right 12:48:44 a l s o, i suspect that a monster could drown itself by blinking into deep water/lava while being lifted by tornado 12:48:50 but that didn't happen here 12:49:43 maybe it drank a potion of flight earlier... 12:50:02 and it expired right after the tele? 12:50:08 can monsters even drink !fly 12:50:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:50:21 blink, but yeah that would be pretty unlikely 12:50:23 I don't know 12:56:45 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:57:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:01:37 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:58 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:07:21 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:09:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:11:15 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:15:09 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:22:27 <|amethyst> Medar: btw, any interest in making | work in webtiles? 13:24:38 <|amethyst> Medar: if not, I was thinking of disabling the keybinding when the game is controlled from webtiles, but I guess there's still the issue of games controlled from webtiles and watched from console and vice versa 13:25:59 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:15 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:26:49 I can take a look at some point, depends how simple it is 13:29:04 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:32:36 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:34:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:34:37 <|amethyst> Medar: |w and |h are probably fine to leave out, since they don't work in local tiles either; the others are just toggling layers so I guess you'd just send a message about it and let the client-side compositor handle the actual omission 13:34:45 <|amethyst> s/$/?/ 13:35:25 sounds about right, probably a field for the map message 13:36:50 <|amethyst> it would be kind of neat if it were completely client side, but of course that's not compatible with the ascii version 13:37:05 <|amethyst> so that watchers could hide layers too 13:37:26 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:38:22 <|amethyst> (and you wouldn't really be able to do the "only lasts until your next action" thing) 13:41:50 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:47 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:43:28 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:44:12 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 13:44:42 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:49 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:54:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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|amethyst: how do you say "kikubaaqudgha"? 15:45:12 kee coo bah coo dah kha 15:45:13 imho 15:45:30 Shields skill not receiving XP correctly 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10272 by Rexozord 15:46:00 without downloading the save, I'm guessing skill training was set to auto 15:46:15 !apt hu 15:46:16 Hu: Fighting: 0, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: 0, Bows: 0, Xbows: 0, Throw: 0, Armour: 0, Dodge: 0, Stealth: 1, Shields: 0, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 0, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 1!, HP: 0, MP: 0 15:46:44 certainly sounds like it 15:47:24 <|amethyst> yes, auto mode 15:47:30 did you check? 15:47:35 <|amethyst> yeah 15:47:48 <|amethyst> imo in auto mode the menu should show training percentage by default 15:47:50 <|amethyst> not cost 15:47:56 <|amethyst> I had thought that was the case, actually 15:48:12 I haven't seen auto mode since after cost was added 15:48:17 er, since before 15:48:18 <|amethyst> yeah 15:48:20 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:32 maybe just leave it at "since". 15:48:35 anyway, that seems fixable? 15:48:48 <|amethyst> the menu default? 15:49:04 it does default to percentage 15:49:15 <|amethyst> oh, I guess that was one of my settings then 15:49:59 <|amethyst> yeah, it does the right thing if I do crawl -rc /dev/null 15:50:30 %git c5d9b27a1fe 15:50:30 07reaverb02 * 0.17-a0-2197-gc5d9b27: Show skill cost by default if default_manual_training is set 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c5d9b27a1fe1 15:50:41 <|amethyst> ohh 15:50:48 <|amethyst> it's based on the rc setting 15:50:52 <|amethyst> not the save's setting 15:51:09 <|amethyst> fix that then 15:51:13 I think it's save's setting still, that's just for new game? 15:51:41 <|amethyst> Medar: 15:51:49 <|amethyst> + if (Options.default_manual_training) 15:51:50 <|amethyst> + sw->set_state(SKM_VIEW_COST); 15:52:12 <|amethyst> should probably be you.auto_training instead 15:52:21 I already resolved the bug, but any thought on whether the second part of the bug is an issue? 15:53:10 <|amethyst> shields not training while it was unequipped is intentional I think, since you'd never exercise it 15:53:24 <|amethyst> or, rather, a forseeable consequence of auto training 15:53:28 |amethyst: I think that g ets overwritten if you are loading a save 15:53:30 <|amethyst> I'm not sure about the colour 15:53:59 <|amethyst> Medar: Options.default_manual_training does not 15:54:12 yeah, but the state that is set 15:54:27 <|amethyst> Medar: SKM_VIEW_COST ? 15:54:44 <|amethyst> you.auto_training does get overwritten when loading a save 15:55:22 <|amethyst> my complaint is that whether the menu defaults to Train % or Cost depends only on your option, not the current state 15:55:30 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:56:27 there is sw->set_state(you.skill_menu_view); later 15:56:56 so if you load a save where your skill menu is in auto mode showing progress, then it will show progress regardless of your default_manual_training setting 15:57:01 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:57:07 <|amethyst> oh, I see 15:59:25 <|amethyst> hm, why am I getting different behaviour then 15:59:46 -!- archaeo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:35 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:01:15 ah, it doesn't save the state unless you actually change it 16:01:21 <|amethyst> aha 16:01:58 <|amethyst> and the default is SKM_NONE which is invalid so ignored by set_state 16:09:28 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1254-g88499de: Show skill cost by default if manual training is on. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/88499de3997d 16:15:26 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:10 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:27 -!- siepu_ has quit 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.cobbed 16:27:33 120. zkyp the Skullcrusher (L27 OgSk of Makhleb), starved to death on Zot:3 on 2016-02-05 21:06:54, with 631561 points after 90496 turns and 4:08:41. 16:27:50 <|amethyst> !kw .cobbed 16:27:51 No keyword '.cobbed' 16:27:54 <|amethyst> !cmd .cobbed 16:27:54 Command: .cobbed => !lg * hungrycobs place=zot|crypt ((ktype=starvation || ikiller=death_cob)) $* 16:27:57 <|amethyst> !kw hungrycobs 16:27:58 Keyword: hungrycobs => vlong>=0.17-a0-1659-gf62aa6c 16:28:04 rip hungrycobs 16:28:15 <|amethyst> !kw hungrycobs vlong>=0.17-a0-1659-gf62aa6c vlong<0.18-a0-1264-g90af9db 16:28:16 Defined keyword: hungrycobs => vlong>=0.17-a0-1659-gf62aa6c vlong<0.18-a0-1264-g90af9db 16:29:03 Rep Henry Clay is my new favorite: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=258643#p258643 16:29:20 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:29:28 <|amethyst> I chatted with him at one point 16:29:33 i didn't touch their damage since i think slowing is probably still pretty dangerous, but if anyone feels like it should be bumped up a bit then go for it 16:29:33 <|amethyst> he's not actually from Kentucky 16:30:01 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 16:30:54 MarvinPA: I'll probably bump it up a bit 16:30:56 or else their HD 16:31:04 <|amethyst> he has a huge monument in my hometown: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Henry_Clay%27s_grave_in_Lexington_-_DSC09049.JPG#/media/File:Henry_Clay%27s_grave_in_Lexington_-_DSC09049.JPG 16:31:48 MarvinPA: but I'm kinda glad you switched them to AF_DRAIN_SPEED. I didn't really see much agreement about how AF_HUNGER could work better. 16:32:28 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:33:29 <|amethyst> FR: give hungry ghosts fast movement, since DCs' problem with speed was really about attack speed 16:33:47 don't they already have fast movement? 16:33:55 @??hungry ghost 16:33:55 hungry ghost (03W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 33-44 | AC/EV: 0/17 | Dam: 502(hunger) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 184 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:33:58 hmm 16:34:03 must have been imagining things 16:34:13 |amethyst: love it 16:34:30 <|amethyst> Were you a can of worms dreaming you were a naga, or are you now a naga dreaming you are a can of worms? 16:35:46 can't I be both? 16:35:57 a can of worms dreaming that I'm a naga that's dreaming that I'm a can of worms 16:37:59 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:38:09 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:40:00 <|amethyst> I guess I should try U again now that I know spells work 16:40:30 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:36 <|amethyst> seems like it would fit well with the way I usually play conj, using magic dart as my main kill spell for far too long :) 16:40:56 <|amethyst> Lasty_: do things like IMB/fireball increase piety for every monster they hit? 16:41:02 yessir! 16:41:11 I'm not sure if that's a good thing! 16:41:56 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:42:23 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:48 I am now imagining that with fire storm in a zig 16:42:48 mpa with the changestorm... 16:42:57 @??wraith 16:42:57 wraith (15W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1313(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 209 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:42:58 thank god swarm rods are gone 16:43:00 @??hungry ghost 16:43:00 hungry ghost (03W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 33-44 | AC/EV: 0/17 | Dam: 502(hunger) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 184 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:43:23 I guess hunger ghosts are the only hunger monsters left 16:43:32 which, I guess, is as it was before 16:43:44 History is like a circle, man 16:43:57 remember when harpies ate food from your inventory 16:44:00 that sucked 16:44:09 yeah, quite possibly they aren't a great use of AF_HUNGER either though 16:45:14 does anyone on the dev team like current af_hunger? or old af_hunger 16:45:47 i think old was definitely not good on hungry ghosts 16:46:04 extreme nit: I don't get the reasoning behind 6a36932c4210 16:46:05 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:23 current might be okay on them but i would (surprisingly enough) be totally fine with removing them and the AF 16:46:41 the flavour anticost...! 16:46:52 WebFungus: it just reads better to me 16:46:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:47:03 now the ghosts are just hungry... FOR YOUR SOUL 16:47:10 i slightly prefer the old version, but they both seem fine to me 16:47:17 we must fight to the death. 16:47:22 yred is doing the filling, or something 16:47:35 <|amethyst> MarvinPA, slayer of the last vestiges of proto-Indo-European middle voice 16:47:38 lmao 16:48:05 <|amethyst> I kind of prefer the passive version 16:48:23 <|amethyst> because it more strongly implies that Yred is what's filling you 16:48:38 to be clear: that's the new one? 16:48:41 <|amethyst> yes 16:48:45 <|amethyst> "are filled" 16:48:54 I appreciate the concision and elegance of the old version. 16:49:08 let's keep talking about this until we spend more lines on it than any of the actual mechanical changes in that commit batch 16:49:40 <|amethyst> "You offer yourself to %s, who fills you with unholy energy." 16:49:46 <|amethyst> okay, that's bad 16:49:54 yeah, that is not the commit i expected to get the most discussion :P 16:50:09 <|amethyst> bike sheds and all 16:50:10 although i should have known! the lure of the bikeshed is overwhelming 16:50:15 well, the others we'd already discussed in detail 16:50:22 this is the only real surprise you sprang on us! 16:50:32 can't make these sorts of dramatic changes without a challenge... 16:50:33 heh, true! 16:50:42 :p 16:51:34 archaeo suggested turning ie from a charms-associated school to a hex-associated school, on the existing model of metabolic englaciation 16:51:49 and hibernation 16:52:19 oh yeah i was going to respond to the crd mail but didn't 16:52:24 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: hm, maybe turn poison into degen in tags.cc ? 16:52:26 there was a lot of it 16:52:53 but my vague thoughts were if we can come up with some new IE spell it'd be doable and good to remove ozo's and condensation shield, i think dpeg also suggested something hexy 16:52:55 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: since there's already that code you touched to turn water into degen 16:53:24 yeah, something about reducing enemy melee damage 16:53:26 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:54:03 generally i agree that some charms are rescueable and some are already fine and some (hopefully ozo's/condensation shield/rmsl especially) we could probably remove with a bit of thought 16:54:38 after I removed stoneskin, I had the vague thought that you could make ozo's give ponderous for its duration 16:54:45 to make it more situational 16:54:51 and then I realized that would make more sense on stoneskin 16:55:07 <|amethyst> we were looking for earth/ice spells anyway, right? :) 16:55:28 Permafrost Plate 16:55:38 , Ponderous 16:56:29 <|amethyst> though 16:56:40 <|amethyst> one could argue it makes as much sense on an ice spell 16:56:57 <|amethyst> since ice magic also has several associations with "slowness" 16:57:51 <|amethyst> cold-blooded creatures, englaciation, (hibernation is kind of like being slow, right?) 16:58:09 sure! 16:59:47 One thing about removing ozo is that the spell is an important part of a lot of the more interesting crawl builds 16:59:51 pls don't nerf ozo's, i'm in the middle of a comborobin huie 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:10 can't you just revert ozo's for the duration of your run anyway 17:00:22 shh, he doesn't know he's a dev. no-one tell him! 17:00:34 honestly if ozo's goes I'll have an excuse to go back to using FE again 17:00:49 The advanced forms that aren't blade hands are a lot more lame without any of those buff spells 17:01:02 <|amethyst> as long as you don't encounter any game-breaking bugs there's a solution that works for everyone playing trunk on most of the servers 17:01:19 you already nerfed statue form by removing stoneskin :v 17:01:23 quick tangent: should statue form ac be buffed, since old balance kind of assumed you had stoneskin on? 17:01:24 haha 17:01:27 perfect timing 17:01:41 <|amethyst> couldn't they just all be buffed 17:02:05 <|amethyst> well 17:02:13 <|amethyst> I guess probably the real solution is nerf blade hands 17:02:16 no!!! 17:02:23 did statue form and ozo's conflict? I forget 17:02:23 well I think they're independent 17:02:26 they did 17:02:26 I guess 'do' 17:02:55 blade hands is still too good, but advanced forms with default defenses are pretty bad in most cases 17:02:58 they do conflict, yeah. obviously you can't make a statue cold. are you crazy? 17:03:14 you also can't cover a statue with corpse bits 17:03:30 but you can send it to another plane of existence 17:04:01 But if we accept that adjustments could be made to the forms, I'm kind of curious why we're even keeping charms around if we're going to remove all these spells 17:04:31 the statue form+stoneskin synergy was removed some time ago 17:04:40 so it stopped being that major of a boost for statue form 17:04:53 the synergy was that stoneskin worked for statue form 17:04:55 but it still stacks 17:05:00 unlike the other +AC spells 17:05:05 my point is just that if you look at what those two forms give you defense-wise, it's pretty awful 17:05:07 so unlike ozo 17:05:28 and cig's hug 17:05:31 yeah; ozo losing the extra AC with ice form was a bigger nerf there 17:07:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:08:00 gammafunk: i think probably things are more likely to actually happen if we remove bad spells one by one 17:08:04 gammafunk: my desire here is to preserve the skald playstyle (weapons assisted by spells); I don't know how skald works without a charms school 17:08:19 if the end result of that is that charms isn't a school that should keep existing then fair enough but i'm not sure it would be necessarily 17:08:22 well, one of my desires. I am legion, I contain multitudes of plans 17:08:30 also +1 to mpa 17:09:19 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:14 wow, af_speed had extra damage? 17:11:24 WebFungus: weren't you considering an ozo's replacement that was like a hex-ish kind of thing to cast on enemies 17:11:37 yeah i had no idea until i saw it in the code a while back 17:11:41 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:11:43 very weird 17:11:54 ontoclasm: that was dpeg 17:11:58 ah 17:12:15 I would assume the extra damage was part of the whole negative energy association? 17:12:16 you're not the same person? i always figured you were just dpeg wearing a mask 17:12:18 like, it's draining you, see 17:12:33 i saw this and thought of you WebFungus https://twitter.com/FwugRadiation/status/686934823563345920 17:12:41 yeah, it was the same damage that AF_DRAIN does 17:12:59 except reduced to 0 by a single level of rN i guess 17:13:03 this is better https://twitter.com/casenpai/status/686936319675609088 17:13:07 case 864 17:13:17 -!- DrKe has quit [] 17:14:05 omg 17:14:07 very linley's-dungeon-crawlcode 17:14:11 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:27 wheals: if you're signed in to crawlcode, please rt https://twitter.com/FwugRadiation/status/686935783383666688 17:14:42 I'm not signed in here & don't remember the credentials 17:15:43 wow i had missed some of these crawlcode entries 17:15:48 <|amethyst> "case 864: //bullshit dog" ? 17:15:50 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CYAuBhTUwAMn1BZ.png very very good 17:16:19 the funny thing was, that code was about eight years old, and the comment was wrong for like 7 years 11 months 17:16:19 I am wondering if it would be a good idea to notify SA about the plans regarding charms 17:16:19 iirc 17:16:27 haha 17:16:39 Lightli: into the lions' den 17:16:40 it would be a great idea 17:16:41 <|amethyst> WebFungus: ^^ that one is the one you wanted to retweet? (bullshit dog) ? 17:16:42 just not for SA 17:17:02 i just did it 17:17:03 the 'case 864:' thing was the funny part 17:17:05 Lightli: actually outside of one dude who hates every change the thread seemed okay with stoneskin getting dumped 17:17:07 <|amethyst> aha 17:17:08 he did it! the madman! 17:17:29 I posted about the current batches and one person was fine with all of them 17:17:36 you can rt the other one too, they both work. they're not crawlcode but they can be crawlcode in spirit 17:17:50 (just finished a true pacifit game) 17:17:56 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 17:17:57 // impossible?!? 17:18:23 !lg wheals 17:18:24 3531. wheals the Chucker (L1 HOHu), entered wizard mode on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_round_a) on 2015-12-31 12:55:33, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:03. 17:18:38 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: other game I image 17:18:42 oh 17:18:42 <|amethyst> s/ge/gine/ 17:18:42 nah 17:18:44 definitely that one 17:18:48 rip 17:18:49 <|amethyst> I mean 17:18:52 <|amethyst> undertale 17:19:10 mmm 17:20:39 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 17:22:55 -!- Torax_ has quit [Quit: zZZzzZZzzz...] 17:23:56 oh 17:24:01 tbh I was assuming nethack 17:24:03 for some reason 17:25:32 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1265-gdad808c: Let potions of berserk rage generate early 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dad808c7199f 17:25:32 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1266-g3be6530: Turn potions of poison into degeneration on upgrade (|amethyst) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3be653085768 17:26:21 oh, nice move wrt zerk 17:26:35 funny joke: let monsters pick up and drink !xp 17:27:12 that would be the biggest jerk move ever 17:28:55 next scene: minmay appears at my house and stabs me to death with a dagger 17:31:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:31:50 but with your final click you upload the commit that removes the charms school 17:31:56 he wouldn't care, he only plays mu 17:32:16 hm. make monsters read acq 17:32:22 and only acquire... food... 17:32:41 <|amethyst> acquire doodad 17:33:08 <|amethyst> make monster acquirement work like that Lugonu vault 17:33:17 the goblin reads the scroll XSKDF XUVHC! An Orb of Zot appears! The goblin picks up the orb! The goblin climbs the stairs... 17:35:49 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 17:37:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:39:59 <|amethyst> oh, it came up (yesteday?) that the effect of skill cost level on !exp is kind of weird 17:40:42 <|amethyst> in that it gives way more skill points early than late 17:40:47 I think I saw that 17:41:08 honestly you can basically do whatever with !xp. the only part of the game it influences is the zig 17:41:10 and zigs don't exist 17:41:27 <|amethyst> there's also early-game luck 17:41:33 <|amethyst> which might not matter for winrate 17:41:38 so rare as to almost not exist 17:41:53 as long as !xp doesn't literally apport the orb to you, I don't think the details matter very much 17:42:08 i think it's fine in the late game. it does very little, and that's okay because you're running into a fair number of them when zigging 17:42:23 <|amethyst> yeah, I don't think it needs to do more late-game at all 17:42:36 like, you pick up !exp and you get a tenth of a skill point or whatever. it's not very much, but it's noticeably more than not getting !exp 17:43:54 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:44 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:47:26 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:47:47 the main point of zig xp is (1) more loot for people doing the depths xp (2) dumb gimmick shit with untrainable skills 17:47:49 -!- cybersaint2k has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:48:44 -!- asdfasdf has quit [] 17:49:13 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:49:26 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:51:26 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:51:30 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:54:26 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:55:16 -!- hurricos has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:55:59 i'm really surprised that this appears to have worked without crashing horribly: The Ice Fiend's soul is now ripe for the taking. _The Ice Fiend's soul is now yours. 17:56:13 demons have souls?! 17:56:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:56:31 imo yes! 17:56:32 Does this mean I can enslave cerebov? 17:56:53 Here: Cerebov the spectral pandemonium lord, wielding a great serpentine sword 17:56:53 {flame} (friendly, disembodied soul) 17:56:57 oh my god 17:57:05 enslaved lom... 17:57:15 A true nightmare 17:57:26 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:57:50 it actually does look like turning demons into spectrals works??? i feel like something should break 17:58:25 i feel like it didn't used to work? like i thought dchan in pan only got me 6s 17:59:04 My naive guess is that it would work, since it's just making a spectre with totally new resists, but having the monsters hd, attacks, and spells 17:59:05 oh i mean works on the technical side (having removed the restrictions that stop it from working locally) 17:59:25 oh. so you're playing with making it possible 17:59:45 yeah it has been a thing i've wanted to do for a while for sort-of flavour and sort-of buffing late yred 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:13 -!- siepu__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:00:23 -!- zeeratt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:01:04 also very good: Your spectral seraph prays to Yredelemnul. The cherub is enraged by your evilness! The cherub is enraged by your evilness! 18:01:22 beautiful 18:01:25 imo being able to hand-create your own profane servitors is excellent but probably they shouldn't cast summon holies, huh 18:01:57 i wonder if they die to their own cleansing flames 18:04:26 my bet: no 18:04:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:04:47 @??seraph 18:04:47 seraph (13A) | Spd: 15 | HD: 25 | HP: 181-243 | AC/EV: 20/19 | Dam: 50, 20 | 08holy, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(160), 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 08holy | XP: 11186 | Sp: hunting cry [11!AM, 08breath], sum.holies [11!AM], injury bond [11!AM], cleansing flame [11!AM], smiting (7-17) [11!AM], minor healing (2d12) .. 18:06:57 looking at setup_cleansing_flame_beam though i think i was wrong 18:07:32 <|amethyst> hm 18:07:49 <|amethyst> need a way to convert As into servitors 18:08:57 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:10:23 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1266-g3be6530 (34) 18:12:46 wouldn't turning As into profane servitors be something that yred would be incredibly pleased with? 18:15:08 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: are your spectral holies plain MH_UNDEAD or MH_UNDEAD | MH_HOLY ? 18:15:38 just undead 18:17:18 are profane servitors MH_UNDEAD | MH_HOLY now that's possible i guess? or still just undead 18:19:33 wow SPFLAG_NOT_EVIL is a thing that exists 18:19:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:20:13 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:20:47 oh i guess that's due to holy no longer being a spell school maybe 18:22:55 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:24:12 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 18:30:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:32:19 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:36:31 -!- morik_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:36:40 <|amethyst> it was because with Spellbinder existing monster spells needed a school 18:37:32 <|amethyst> and necromancy seemed reasonable if it only affects their miscasts 18:37:56 <|amethyst> :q 18:37:58 <|amethyst> err 18:38:16 heh 18:38:18 <|amethyst> %git 2bde065 18:38:18 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-704-g2bde065: Tag healing spells as Necromancy, but not evil. :suspect: 10(9 weeks ago, 3 files, 11+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2bde065105b4 18:38:21 yeah i saw the commit now, makes sense i guess 18:38:45 <|amethyst> ah, I wasn't even thinking of pakellas 18:42:54 oh, does the halo from the Seraph turn into an umbra when it's enslaved souled? 18:43:06 if so that's powerful role playing 18:44:18 sadly not currently, i looked into it and halo code is scary 18:44:36 <|amethyst> hence my suggestion to turn them into profane servitors :) 18:44:46 <|amethyst> well, that wasn't exactly my suggestion 18:45:40 maybe it's doable somehow by making a fake monster to check what radius normal halo it would have were it still a holy, or something weird 18:47:04 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: wouldn't need a fake monster I think, just a fake monster type in monster::umbra_radius() 18:47:18 <|amethyst> oh I see 18:48:17 <|amethyst> factor out mons_class_halo_radius 18:48:30 <|amethyst> from monster::halo_radius 18:48:53 ah yeah 18:50:46 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 18:51:22 <|amethyst> or I guess _mons_class_halo_radius since these are in the same file 18:51:43 <|amethyst> (FR: get rid of that convention) 18:53:40 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:55:47 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:55:56 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie 18:56:11 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 18:56:13 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie 18:56:18 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 18:57:34 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 18:59:22 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:38 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 19:00:57 -!- Reverie|Away has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:01:11 Here: a spectral seraph, wielding a great sword of flaming and wearing a shiny 19:01:11 fire dragon armour (friendly, umbra, disembodied soul) 19:06:20 nice 19:06:26 what happens if they had a holy wrath weapon? 19:06:57 I imagine they'd just drop their weapon 19:07:01 <|amethyst> hopefully that's already handled 19:07:07 <|amethyst> since it matters for naturals too 19:07:09 yeah, looks like it 19:08:03 I guess you could argue for yred converting the weapon to drain or something, but that's probably unecessary 19:08:12 just have to choose your enslave targets appropriately! 19:19:46 -!- ursan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:20:49 possibly fully functional: http://sprunge.us/BAhZ 19:21:18 -!- Ipsum has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:32:44 MarvinPA: wonderful 19:32:54 now i have to draw a spectral angel i guess 19:35:12 oh hm yeah, no clue what happens in tiles 19:35:34 MarvinPA: it should work just fine, the tile is based off body shape 19:35:46 so they'll look like harpies probably 19:36:26 due to being winged humanoids 19:39:11 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 19:40:38 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:44:34 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:45:01 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:02 ... I think there's an Ukayaw bug where if a monster damages another monster you gain INSANE piety. 19:46:04 well, of course! the crowd is going wild! 19:46:06 <.< 19:46:20 lol 19:46:27 and just like that it becomes a feature!!! 19:48:33 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: hm... might need a check for summonedness? 19:48:38 mm 19:48:45 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: that was previously handled by mons_can_be_zombified 19:48:51 aha yeah 19:49:15 and i guess the already-marked check from there too 19:50:20 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: also I wonder about removing the zombifiable check for holies too 19:50:31 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: err, for naturals 19:52:23 <|amethyst> oh, then enslaved boggarts 19:52:38 <|amethyst> eh 19:52:55 <|amethyst> and orb guardians 19:54:55 <|amethyst> I_HUMAN natural corpseless creatures: boggart, GOB, GOoE, Orb Guardian, player illusion (DNE), Dissolution 19:55:22 hm yeah, that's a bit of a hidden restriction anyway 19:56:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:32 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:56:45 I feel like the main thing is that yred doesn't give piety for killing demons 19:56:57 anyway i should sleep, will fiddle with it some more over the weekend probably 19:58:11 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:58:46 <|amethyst> Lightli: can have yred give piety when you kill one that's enslaved :P 19:59:04 Oh, no, it's my amulet of reflection that's causing the insane piety gain 19:59:17 ha 19:59:26 that's what you get for being so flashy 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:21 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:25 -!- MarvinPA has left ##crawl-dev 20:02:32 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:04:53 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:12:46 -!- kroki has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:15:05 -!- molotove1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:15:09 -!- LordSloth has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:31 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:17:08 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:17:56 -!- Xandaros has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:20:03 Lasty: I used "dismissal pretty much the entire game from when I found it my last game 20:20:46 Looking over source code, and learndb, I'm uncertain whether to submit a bug report re: the crawl manual 20:21:14 According to ??accuracy, fighting affects ranged to-hit 20:21:27 According to the crawl manual, fighting only affects melee 20:21:35 gammafunk: how ya feel 'bout it? 20:21:40 There were some instances of teleport of damage enemy letting it quickly come back into los, some instances of buffing for a fight and the intended target teleporting away, but it was helpful vast majority of time 20:21:43 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 20:21:45 gammafunk: I have two wins w/ dismissal more or less all game and one with harm 20:21:55 LordSloth: where in the manual? 20:21:56 or at least it isn't clearly phrased and implies it 20:22:05 yeah I found this pre-lair and just kept using it 20:22:12 List of skills, section three 20:22:14 might have been early lair I found it 20:22:27 First line under heading: Fighting skills 20:22:34 gammafunk: would you do it again? 20:23:27 Lasty: I was kind of not using gspirit so I could preserve mp for mak summons (greater servant is actually pretty pricey at 10mp) and never had more than 20 mp, so "gspirit was a bit less attractive 20:23:45 faith would have been decent but i never found it 20:23:55 so yeah, I'd say it's a pretty useful amulet 20:24:03 ... makh summons use hp, don't they? 20:24:08 yes 20:24:10 mp, piety, hp 20:24:20 oh, all three? 20:25:22 sorry they're hp, piety, not mp 20:25:26 but yeah I had lowish mp 20:26:03 the 10 is the hp cost 20:26:22 which is significant if you want to go using it a lot (so is the piety, as I learned) 20:26:47 major destruct seems pretty variable in terms of damage, even with 10+ invo 20:27:00 yeah 20:27:04 true story 20:27:08 nice that it has lower hp cost (by a lot), but greater servant is such nice, reliable damage 20:27:12 esp. if the target resists something 20:27:20 -!- roadmap has joined ##crawl-dev 20:27:24 Lasty: I guess there's that, but what also got me is the orb of elec 20:27:33 you really want to have some good distance to use major destruct! 20:27:41 pissed off one of my demon summons that way 20:27:48 yeaah 20:27:54 that AOE is insane 20:28:02 it did do pretty reasonable damage all thigns considered, but I tended to use greater servant a lot more 20:28:06 I've definitely gambled a few times on not hitting it at a crucial moment 20:28:57 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:28:57 got about equal uses of both those two, only a bit of lesser servant 20:29:09 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:22 and I got mak a bit too late to make a lot of use of minor destruct, but that one would be lovely if you had early mak 20:30:13 interesting, in my 0.18 build it says 0% hostile 20:30:15 for greater 20:30:18 with maxed skills/piety 20:30:29 didn't realize it could hit a min of 0 20:31:16 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:01 me either 20:34:36 seems like you shouldn't be able to 20:34:58 this build is 1140, maybe it was fixed 20:35:45 ju%git 20:35:48 er 20:35:51 %git 20:35:51 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1266-g3be6530: Turn potions of poison into degeneration on upgrade (|amethyst) 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3be653085768 20:38:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:38:13 I'll build a newer crawl, but in the mean time I'm going to go stream and play a *real* roguelike with a GOOD, COHERENT DESIGN that rewards true strategic and tactical thinking 20:39:03 robot finds kitten? 20:39:18 that one's too deep, I can't seem to win it 20:39:26 -!- lobf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:40:11 <|amethyst> %git cbfb521b 20:40:11 07chequers02 * 0.17-a0-1743-gcbfb521: Increase the failure rate of Makhleb's SGD. 10(5 months ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cbfb521baec4 20:40:35 <|amethyst> table there shows 0 for 180 piety and invo 27, or 200 piety and invo 25 20:40:43 yeah 20:41:21 is that failure, or hostile rate? 20:41:29 or does it never fail, always making a hostile 20:41:33 if it would 'fail' 20:41:42 that made no sense, but hopefully my meaning was clear 20:42:24 i think it never fails 20:44:15 <|amethyst> what you said 20:44:22 <|amethyst> if it would "fail" you get a hostile 20:44:55 amalloy, should I file a suggested change on the mantis, whether I'm wrong or not? 20:45:36 oh, that's interesting 20:45:42 probably, LordSloth 20:45:53 <|amethyst> LordSloth: or, since it's the manual 20:45:57 <|amethyst> you could edit it yourself 20:46:00 <|amethyst> ??manual 20:46:00 I realized that we brought back the great horn of geryon tech with that SGS change 20:46:00 manual[1/3]: Manuals let you train a skill more efficiently. While you carry it you train that skill at double speed - half the 'skill points' coming from the manual. It was generated with 2000-3000 'skill points' and you cannot 'waste' it, you always get the full amount. 20:46:03 <|amethyst> ??manual[2] 20:46:03 manual[2/3]: To view the DCSS manual online: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:manual:rest 20:46:26 don't train invo, always summonable hostile demon 20:46:31 useful for blocking hellfire 20:46:43 Huh, if it's on the wiki, i can chenge it there? No need to Git? 20:46:43 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:46:46 * Grunt appears! He doesn't seem very happy. 20:46:51 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:47:05 <|amethyst> yes, though we'll have to sync the manual from the wiki before that ships 20:47:13 <|amethyst> %git 0.17 20:47:13 Could not find commit 0.17 (git returned 128) 20:47:13 does cost 10 hp each time, at least 20:47:18 <|amethyst> %git stone_soup-0.17 20:47:18 07|amethyst02 {gammafunk} * 0.17.1-2-g5865329: Allow jellies to escape nets (#10187) 10(7 weeks ago, 2 files, 4+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/586532902eac 20:47:43 Cool, thanks. Should I skip the BR then? Because I wasn't able to be certain whether fighting affects ranged or not. 20:48:00 <|amethyst> oh, good point, let's see 20:48:08 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:11 <|amethyst> I suspect it does with the ranged_attack stuff 20:48:38 <|amethyst> orig_to_hit = attack::calc_to_hit(random); 20:48:48 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:48:48 -!- roadmap has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:48:58 <|amethyst> and attack::calc_to_hit does use SK_FIGHTING 20:49:24 Okay, so I can simply go straight to the wiki then 20:50:11 <|amethyst> yeah 20:50:26 <|amethyst> it looks like it also affects damage the same as for melee 20:51:11 I'll go take care of that now, rather than die ingloriously in an ice cave 20:52:36 Proposed replacement: 20:53:07 "Fighting is the basic skill used in hand-to-hand and ranged combat, and applies no matter which weapon your character is wielding (if any). 20:53:35 <|amethyst> sounds good 20:53:50 <|amethyst> hopefully it will be obvious that "ranged combat" does not include magic 20:54:05 Projectile, perhaps? 20:54:39 Well, the next section does list clearly what ranged combat applies to 20:54:58 <|amethyst> I think "ranged" is better 20:55:00 <|amethyst> and yeah 20:55:04 <|amethyst> now I see that section 20:55:21 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 20:56:25 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:36 Now back to killing off more poor formicids 20:56:38 <|amethyst> yeah, looks like the only place that mentions "magical combat" or similar is the Tengu description 20:56:57 <|amethyst> hm, another possibility would be "physical combat", which we use in a few places 20:57:12 <|amethyst> but "hand-to-hand and ranged" is fine 20:57:54 <|amethyst> and probably clearer 20:57:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:03 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00:08 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:05:30 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:06:30 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:53 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 21:13:55 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:26:21 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 21:30:46 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:34:23 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:39:50 -!- 17WABQJYO has quit [Quit: 17WABQJYO] 21:47:08 -!- 21WAA0BFQ is now known as evablue 21:50:50 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 21:58:39 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:03 -!- eb_ has quit [] 22:02:47 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:04:43 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:24:38 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: evablue] 22:27:08 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:30:21 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30:40 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:33:29 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 22:35:02 -!- Sind has quit [Client Quit] 22:56:04 -!- Hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:57:36 -!- 77CAAFRFM has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:31 -!- henriqueleng has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:10:24 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:10:47 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 23:13:21 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 23:13:47 -!- Watball has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:16:12 -!- molotove1 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:22:07 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:23:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:26:05 -!- downplayco has joined ##crawl-dev 23:27:27 -!- y2s82 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:27:29 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:31:56 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 23:34:21 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:16 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:38:24 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:44:27 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49:30 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:03 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:15 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:51:46 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:51:48 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1267-gff090c1: Buff Statue Form AC slightly 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ff090c169ce6 23:54:41 power creep....... 23:54:50 <.< 23:55:00 definitely. 23:55:27 I'm not committed to this, but it seemed reasonable. 23:55:32 learn add devteam Exact numbers are somewhat arbitrary. 23:55:45 * geekosaur waits for Power Creep to become the next god power 23:55:52 we already have P and C though