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Use !messages to read it. 05:55:28 I don't grok. 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(travis) 10(4 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3cecdf7d1a98 09:16:45 no credit for wheals, just travis 09:16:50 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17:01 travis is the hero we need 09:20:26 ??travis[2 09:20:26 travis[2/2]: Travis can't be bargained with. Travis can't be reasoned with. Travis doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And Travis absolutely will not stop, ever, until your project is dead. 09:22:12 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 09:23:03 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:48 -!- teukkam has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:26:15 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:26:52 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:29:15 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:31:23 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:34:23 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:36:47 -!- knu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:38:11 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:40:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:42:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:44:35 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:21 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:56:16 -!- teukkam has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 09:58:15 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:19:19 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:32 -!- kazimuth has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 10:21:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:27:45 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:30:00 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:01 The build was fixed. (master - 3cecdf7 #4622 : Pekka Lampila): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/106478433 10:30:01 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:30:07 -!- West1C has quit [] 10:34:52 FR: give nikola a low chance to generate with arc blade 10:35:00 somewhat similar to gastronok and ponderinghat 10:35:18 FIQ: that's already a thing, IIRC 10:36:44 <|amethyst> 1/100 for Nikola to get the arc blade (same as Archne and |Olgreb), 1/10 for gastronok to get ponderinghat 10:37:12 <|amethyst> oddly, those are the only three uniques special cased to get unrands 10:37:22 <|amethyst> err 10:37:32 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:37:48 does zonguldrok get any of the zonguldrok items in his wizlab? 10:37:54 <|amethyst> to get unrands some of the time; of course Cerebov, Dispater, Asmodeus, the Enchantress, and Tiamat exist 10:38:05 which I think would be the sword, undeadhunter and possibly something else 10:38:11 CanOfWorms: Zong wizlab often has the sword 10:38:26 <|amethyst> it has the sword, but the lich doesn't get it 10:40:10 <|amethyst> I don't think Undeadhunter is canonically Zonguldrok's 10:40:27 <|amethyst> it was created by a "lich lord", but Zonguldrok is probably not the only one 10:40:49 too bad zong doesn't work on monsters 10:40:56 whats cooler than a lich with a magic sword 10:41:25 A lich with a magic triple sword? 10:41:33 I think moon troll is guaranteed to have mtla, right 10:41:38 if it hasn't already spawned 10:42:00 <|amethyst> yes 10:42:26 <|amethyst> technically not a unique though :) 10:42:42 true 10:42:52 does nessos have any special chance of spawning with black knight? 10:42:57 no 10:43:31 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1199-gb7eba55: Merge https://github.com/crawl/crawl into cutlass 10(3 days ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b7eba5543013 10:43:31 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1200-g9fa9e99: Flag captain's cutlass as forbidden under TSO 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9fa9e99ca59d 10:43:33 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43:40 merge commits... 10:44:51 <|amethyst> hm... with ebering's changes, Black Knight could be made to live up to its description better 10:44:59 <|amethyst> "Those who wear it become partially undead" 10:45:19 <|amethyst> (and remove the part of the description about "without the unfortunate downsides") 10:45:53 gasp 10:45:58 <|amethyst> I think "partially undead" here currently means rP rN and a DID_NECROMANCY every so often 10:46:02 speaking of olgreb, it's not flagged as a poisoned item under tso 10:46:05 will it get partial rTorm and dispel undead vulnerability?! 10:46:10 which i think is an error 10:46:42 CanOfWorms: centaurs beest race overpowered extended omg 10:46:45 FIQ: that's already a thing, IIRC 10:46:48 ah, ok 10:47:20 ive never seen nessos with black knight barding 10:48:02 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:50:24 |amethyst, I suppose nothing was done about my fR when I was sleeping? Just checking so that I don't look silly posting a bug report 10:50:36 *FR 10:50:43 <|amethyst> I don't think so, no 10:50:50 ok 10:51:11 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:52:13 ??staff of olgreb 10:52:14 staff of olgreb[1/1]: Evoking it uses 4mp and 50 hunger to cast toxic radiance, *and* an evoc+1 in 20 chance of venom bolt. Succeeds evoc+1 in 6 times. Confers poison immunity and enhances poison magic. Its to-hit and to-dam are your poison magic skill/3. Poisons in melee on a coinflip or on a PM/8 test; ignores rPois on a PM/8 chance. 10:52:16 What's your FR? 10:52:34 Lasty_, fixing a quirk in beogh give item behaviour 10:52:34 <|amethyst> Lasty_: that followers don't drop items you gift them 10:52:35 one sec 10:52:40 ah 10:52:51 hm gone from backlog 10:52:52 yeah 10:52:55 <|amethyst> Lasty_: if you gift them something worse than their current weapon, they'll swap back and drop the gift in the very same turn 10:53:03 or, if that is kept, allow retaining of the 1 gift limit 10:53:13 <|amethyst> Lasty_: but it still counts as having given them a gift 10:53:18 they should not question your item choices ever 10:53:22 you are the messiah 10:53:27 yeah, that's pretty lame 10:53:29 they should not question your item choices ever <- this was my opinion 10:53:40 I'd agree with that 10:53:56 It should be assumed that the player is smarter than the algorithm, even if they aren't 10:54:06 <|amethyst> "Carry around this bread ration, and shout at the Slime:6 walls. I promise they will fall." 10:54:35 hahaha 10:54:58 heh, the one time I did slime as beogh, I left my orcs outside 10:55:09 after I realized that they didn't care about the slime walls hurting them 10:55:20 <|amethyst> Lasty_: for weapons it would be pretty easy to implement with a special case in _is_signature_weapon 10:55:26 yeah 10:55:33 beogh replied by gifting me orcs inside the branch... twice 10:55:34 lol 10:55:40 <|amethyst> Lasty_: for armour you'd have to hook in around the same relative place that _is_signature_weapon does 10:55:46 <|amethyst> but in a completely different codepath 10:56:28 <|amethyst> also, there would need to be some special cases to keep them from switching to a 2H if you gifted a shield 10:56:32 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:56:44 <|amethyst> since that's in the weapon switching code, not the armour switching 10:56:47 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57:03 this is a problem right now already 10:57:10 <|amethyst> (currently to keep Donald from dropping his shield, we make 1H weapons "signature") 10:57:14 I've seen them use arbalests gifted from Beogh 10:57:17 with shields 10:57:36 <|amethyst> I think weapon swapping doesn't actually check handedness 10:57:39 <|amethyst> but weapon pickup does 10:57:50 <|amethyst> and shield pickup 10:57:59 <|amethyst> so if you sneak something in you can get around it 10:58:00 the weapon gift code checks for 2h welded weapon for shield, and vice versa 10:58:19 but if the orc is currently wielding a 1h weapon and carrying an arbalest 10:58:22 you can gift them a shield 10:58:27 they'll still use the arbalest 10:58:30 <|amethyst> yeah 10:58:32 (when applicable) 10:58:39 <|amethyst> though what I'm worried about is a slightly different situation 10:58:56 <|amethyst> where they are wielding a morningstar and you gift them a shield 10:59:00 <|amethyst> then they find a great mace and drop the shield 10:59:18 <|amethyst> that would need extra code to prevent because it's in the weapon-pickup code, not the armour-pickup code 10:59:23 but that isn't relevant for allies though 10:59:28 <|amethyst> oh right 10:59:31 ally pickup was removed in 0.15 10:59:35 <|amethyst> I keep forgetting that 10:59:50 (this is one of the reasons I'm trying out 0.14, I wanted to experiment a bit and see how it worked) 10:59:51 <|amethyst> that's the whole reason this ability exists 10:59:56 indeed 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:15 <|amethyst> FIQ: mostly it meant you did a little dance with your followers to make sure they stepped on the item you wanted them to pick up 11:00:26 <|amethyst> FIQ: and toggled stuff in the t menu fairly often 11:00:32 one thing I found odd was that I assumed that weapon blessing was also made to balance the lack of weapon pickup 11:00:45 but beogh still blessed their gear 11:00:49 back in .14 11:01:10 not nearly as much, though 11:01:19 |amethyst, right 11:01:23 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:01:48 (it was increased to balance the lack of pickup) 11:02:43 (basically how I did it myself when experimenting was to just disable their pickups alltogether, and when I wanted to emulate "give item to follower", toggle it to allow player dropped stuff, displacing the orc, let it pick up its' thing, and disabling ally pickup again, didn't seem that tedious but I can see the reasoning for the removal still) 11:03:37 it's actually much less tedious than how, say, nethack works with ally pickup (and I assumed it was similar to that given how people claimed it was ridiculously tedious) 11:04:14 wheals, right 11:04:33 but IMO beogh ammo gifts happens too rarely 11:04:37 maybe that's just me 11:04:43 it doesn't help that nethack seems very... nondeterministic, like i spent forever trying to give an artifact to a pet titan once 11:04:54 and i think it happened eventually at some point 11:05:08 (imo, beogh ammo gifts should ensure that allies basically never stand w/o ammo) 11:05:12 maybe it never did work and its old weapon was cursed, I can't remember 11:05:21 <|amethyst> hm.. the remaining non-high-tier wands are: flame, slowing, hasting, heal wounds, digging, teleport, polymorph, randeff 11:05:34 wheals: keep in mind that pets dislike crossaligned artifacts 11:05:35 <|amethyst> that list seems kind of high tier on average 11:05:47 but with that said, nethack pet pickup is broken I think 11:05:47 it was sunsword i think, so both were lawful 11:05:50 codewise, thatis 11:05:52 +space 11:05:57 which is why it happens so rarely 11:06:20 in my own variant I rewrote the thing, so now they're much more willing to pickup stuff 11:06:29 i probably agree about the ammo, though ranged reform will possibly happen before the next release anyway 11:07:15 and then we'd want to re-examine the numbers anyway 11:07:35 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:08:02 one thing you could do 11:08:06 wheals: it seemed bad to have it proc every time for the purposes of disarming e.g. hellpan lords 11:08:10 would be to let allies still pickup their ammo 11:08:11 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus I'm not sure about making the high-tier wand list quite so big: of the remaining 8 "low level" wands that can generate early, 3 of them are hasting, heal wounds, teleport. And nearly half the wand types are "high tier" 11:08:11 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:08:22 compare with monster porkalator (and other polymorph) 11:08:30 where they're allowed to pickup lost gear 11:08:45 I mean the ammo they were gifted themselves 11:08:50 <|amethyst> !tell PleasingFungus maybe the "low-HD monsters won't gen with this" flag should be separated from the "appears at low item_level" flag? 11:08:50 |amethyst: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 11:08:51 that didn't mulch 11:08:53 from usage 11:09:10 03ChrisOelmueller02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1163-g48f1cd8: Fix a few typos 10(12 days ago, 40 files, 67+ 65-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/48f1cd8496d2 11:09:10 03wheals02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1164-g0ebf9cb: Remove an English quote from the German quote list. 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 0+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0ebf9cb0d16b 11:09:10 03wheals02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1165-g0b88924: Add a credit. 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b88924546e2 11:09:10 03edsrzf02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1166-ge809f06: Some fixes for monster health in webtiles with tile_display_mode = glyphs 10(13 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e809f06d3614 11:09:10 03amalloy02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1167-ga894db5: Don't reset targetter when using xm to move monster in wizmode 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a894db54add5 11:09:10 03|amethyst02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1168-g6b00e1c: Mention ' in x? (amalloy) 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6b00e1c5db00 11:09:10 03PleasingFungus02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1169-g1767ae3: Enlarge the Zombified Lernaean Hydra (10238) 10(8 days ago, 13 files, 25+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1767ae3e0085 11:09:10 03Lasty02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1170-g27a8e62: Mark amulet of mana regeneration as useless under Pakellas (Grunt) 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/27a8e62c8ba4 11:09:10 03|amethyst02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1171-g15ca279: Correct reversed magic regen uselessness check. 10(8 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/15ca2790b22b 11:09:10 03MarvinPA02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1172-g955079c: Simplify some ability piety costs 10(10 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/955079c98ce8 11:09:10 ... and 26 more commits 11:09:21 -!- Harudoku_ is now known as Harudoku` 11:09:27 uh oh 11:09:28 -!- LMtx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:09:34 why is it doing that lol 11:09:35 huh? 11:09:47 <|amethyst> DrKe: I think you screwed up your rebase 11:09:57 ... and 26 more commits 11:09:57 <|amethyst> DrKe: rebased master onto your branch rather than vice versa 11:10:04 perhaps limit shown commits to 5 11:10:05 you want to rebase your cutlass branch onto origin/master 11:10:07 <|amethyst> DrKe: I recommend force pushing to the previous state 11:10:10 i did git push --force origin branch 11:10:13 rather than 10 11:10:24 or perhaps rather upstream/master 11:11:30 how do i force push to a specific commit 11:11:36 <|amethyst> FIQ: except in situations like this where they're ghost commits, I usually would rather see 10 commits than 5 11:12:00 <|amethyst> DrKe: git reset --hard commithash to switch your current branch to that commit 11:12:04 -!- panicbit2 is now known as panicbit 11:12:14 <|amethyst> DrKe: then force push that as usual 11:12:20 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:12:26 my suggestion: git checkout master; git pull https://github.com/crawl/crawl.git master --rebase; git checkout cutlass; git rebase master; git push -f 11:12:49 <|amethyst> hm 11:13:02 <|amethyst> I guess that rebase would probably remove the duplicate commits 11:13:02 not sure if that git pull is the right syntax 11:13:26 <|amethyst> wheals: what is that supposed to do? 11:13:54 have the cutlass branch contain only the three cutlass commits on top of master 11:14:03 <|amethyst> I mean the pull --rebase 11:14:20 <|amethyst> If you're merging or rebasing master, there's a problem 11:14:21 <|amethyst> oh 11:14:22 oh, i wasn't sure whether the master was messed up as well 11:14:29 <|amethyst> I guess the idea is that DrKe is working in master 11:14:48 <|amethyst> %git 11:14:48 07Medar02 * 0.18-a0-1212-g3cecdf7: Fix a syntax error in alphashop item list. (travis) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3cecdf7d1a98 11:15:43 well, the master wasn't messed up 11:15:49 except i just accidentally typed git push origin master 11:15:54 instead of origin branch 11:15:58 <|amethyst> ahhh 11:16:05 never mind, then 11:16:07 i did fix the branch though 11:16:22 except now i need to do those fixes again 11:16:42 <|amethyst> you can git cherry-pick those commits if you reset to before they happened 11:16:45 <|amethyst> just need the hashes 11:17:07 they should be in git reflog 11:17:07 <|amethyst> git reflog might help with those 11:17:11 <|amethyst> hi 11:17:19 hello 11:17:22 !rebase |amethyst 11:17:22 wheals rebases |amethyst. |amethyst is banished to the reflog! 11:17:47 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1213-g6426087: Make TSO properly hate staff of Olgreb (DrKe) 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6426087636f9 11:17:52 yeah i can get them from reflog 11:18:17 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:19:23 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:21:36 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:56 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1163-gdc1b2bd: Flag captain's cutlass as forbidden under TSO 10(51 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/dc1b2bd99f88 11:22:56 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1164-g69f6cb4: Fix formatting 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/69f6cb45f0e6 11:22:59 i will try the find_stab_type thing 11:33:50 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:35:30 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:41:09 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:00 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:45:51 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-1214-gc9b4ecf: Only mark books as forbidden if all of the spells are. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c9b4ecfec0d5 11:47:21 The code doesn't handle different spells being forbidden for different reasons. Not sure if that's worth fixing. 11:47:35 i think there were some mantis issues related to that 11:47:41 oh right 11:48:34 oh, acquirement code, that's why it wasn't changed before 11:49:02 !bug 8975 11:49:03 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8975 11:51:15 !source _book_weight 11:51:15 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc#l890 11:51:37 would skipping hated spells in that loop do the trick? 11:52:46 should it not do that for some agents? I'm not too familiar with the acquirement business 11:53:22 it really seems fine to me if acq gives a book with mostly bad spells 11:53:36 s/bad/forbidden/ 11:53:47 i mean, it can give a book with only L1s in a zig, afaik 11:57:56 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:59:11 yeah, that works, wheals 11:59:15 now i just need the courage to rebase again 11:59:31 git add courage 11:59:36 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:21 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:01:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:44 wheals: are you against not giving weight to forbidden spells? from the looks of it, adding the test would be fine 12:02:03 that's good too 12:02:21 -!- Ystah has quit [Client Quit] 12:06:17 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-1215-gc4e1e30: Don't give weight to spells hated by god in acquirement code. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c4e1e30f6ab8 12:06:19 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1165-g6eb64b2: Reformat bool 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6eb64b20431b 12:06:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:02 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:08:38 DrKe: now i just have to gt travis's approval 12:09:14 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:46 |amethyst: if an item spawns on the floor on d:1, and a monster picks it up while out of sight of the player, how is that different from a player's perspective from the monster spawning with it? 12:09:51 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 12:10:58 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:14:29 <|amethyst> WebFungus: I guess I shouldn't be flippant and say "because they could have prevented it by finding the item earlier"? 12:14:41 <|amethyst> WebFungus: what about generating them but flagging them no_pickup? 12:15:05 could 12:15:11 imho implement that 12:15:20 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:15:47 would be nice to be able to fully get rid of item restrictions by depth 12:16:05 since there's a couple of other weird cases like poison and berserk rage i think 12:16:06 <|amethyst> My concerns are mostly that 1. confusion and enslavement wands seem more useful early when there are more monsters with defeatable MR; 2. this implicitly increases the weights of early HW Haste Tele 12:16:27 i don't really see what's wrong with generating confusion wands early anyway though, yeah 12:16:36 especially if some of the discussed confusion changes happen 12:16:55 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:16:59 my reasoning was in the commit 12:17:04 <|amethyst> there would be one more change I would make, which is to reduce the chance of monsters zapping certain wands 12:17:23 <|amethyst> since right now a wand of confusion is like a freq-200 spell that eventually runs out 12:17:29 <|amethyst> s/is like/feels like/ 12:17:55 in general they're sort of weird about how often they zap. machine-gun. excessive 12:18:26 <|amethyst> granted, that's how players react to hydras, just with the damaging wands instead 12:18:34 really they should refrain from zapping confusion at you if you're already confused 12:18:39 <|amethyst> I think they do now 12:18:48 oh? didn't notice 12:18:54 <|amethyst> maybe not, I'd have to check 12:19:05 <|amethyst> but zapping while you're already confused is better for the player 12:19:31 <|amethyst> hm 12:19:39 <|amethyst> or maybe the duration cap is so high it doesn't matter 12:19:46 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:19:48 do monsters use 1 charge per zap? 12:20:17 yes 12:20:18 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:20:20 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:20:34 monsters ALWAYS id their wands. 12:20:48 maybe them using 1d3 or whatever it is for players, would be good 12:20:53 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:54 <|amethyst> I don't know 12:21:20 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:21:26 <|amethyst> that means they run out more quickly, but that also means there's less loot left over if you kill them (fairly) quickly 12:22:20 <|amethyst> I think minmay called monsters using consumables the last bastion of item destruction :) 12:23:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:24:22 well some wands have a lot of charges now, so you would still have good chance to finish many monsters off before it's empty 12:24:52 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1214-gc9b4ecf (34) 12:26:41 one thing I've seen monsters do 12:26:49 is that they hammer you with polymorph wands 12:26:51 Medar: to be clear, what exactly is the problem that you're trying to solve with 'monsters use multiple charges per zap'? 12:26:54 even when only the 1st zap is useful 12:27:16 -!- Torax_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:28:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:29:31 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30:12 does acid give monsters slaying penalties? or only AC? 12:30:33 both 12:30:40 hm 12:30:41 by slaying I assume you mean damage 12:30:45 so -8AC -8slay? 12:30:48 wel yes 12:30:50 *well 12:30:53 damage, not slaying 12:30:57 Right 12:31:44 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:31:54 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1216-g3dac8bf: Improve the captain's cutlass 10(4 days ago, 3 files, 43+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3dac8bfd6abd 12:31:54 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1217-ga9f26ad: Flag captain's cutlass as forbidden under TSO 10(2 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a9f26ada1c69 12:34:34 kvaak: no. 12:34:50 it's only -ac. 12:34:57 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:35:01 ?? dumb 12:35:02 <|amethyst> that's dumb 12:35:03 lol 12:35:31 gammafunk was talking about changing it into a stacking effect that was -2/-2 per stack, or something like that. 12:35:41 but at present, it is just ac. 12:36:53 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:56 WebFungus: mainly to just make waiting out the charges less tedious 12:37:33 that's not a problem for most wand types 12:38:02 and the ones it is a problem for are the ones with the highest charge counts 12:38:43 e.g. confusion (48 charges?) 12:39:24 %git e31251231736f9371999ccadea973b450281b6e3 12:39:24 07N7829102 {reaverb} * 0.15-a0-847-ge312512: Replace corrosion with a temporary effect. 10(1 year, 9 months ago, 13 files, 59+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e31251231736 12:39:34 kvaak: ^ see commit message 12:40:07 incidentally re: backlog from a while ago, i agree with the suggestion of reverting iceblast being quiet 12:40:55 huh, <=0.14 corrosion wasn't temporary? 12:40:59 since it's already a good damage type and an aoe, seems fine for it still to be noisy 12:41:04 it worked like in most other roguelikes then I guess? 12:41:14 e.g. -1 enchantment or so on weapon/armor 12:42:03 yeah, you could get immunity to it by enchanting your armor enough 12:42:29 MarvinPA: I am shocked. shocked, I tell you. 12:42:31 thinking about this, for most wands monsters using them few times less would probably make them more interesting 12:42:50 anyway, with new corrosion wands 12:42:51 Do as you see fit. 12:43:06 Medar: imho, that could be better accomplished by reducing use frequency 12:43:11 with how monsters love to use wands as a machinegun, seems like a monster w/corrosive wand would be nasty 12:43:38 WebFungus: probably true 12:43:43 DrKe: aux armour could never be enchanted enough! 12:43:45 also unsure what the commit message was referring to about making acid some kind of "super wand", that sounds weird? 12:43:54 you could have artifact aux armour 12:44:00 MarvinPA: you'll want to talk to lasty about that, it was his notion 12:44:04 acid as a regular damage wand seems pretty nice as-is 12:44:12 fair enough 12:44:18 yeah, as I mentioned here after that commit, it's *already* the best damage wand 12:44:22 oh that reminds me what i was trying to type when i timed out 12:44:30 by virtue of being an upgrade from draining, which was better than the other two 12:44:45 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:50 how was it better than the other two 12:44:56 !tell Lasty stomp seems like it do with print_wounds to display how much damage you deal, since currently you need to x everything to see how much damage you dealt 12:44:57 MarvinPA: OK, I'll let lasty know. 12:44:58 the other two being lightning/fball 12:45:01 oh 12:45:02 yes 12:45:17 well draining doesn't work at all vs undead/etc.. 12:45:34 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:47:19 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:47:42 I crashed when tried to drop wands after artifice sac 12:47:43 just echoing this along 12:47:53 0.18-a0-1206-g2bec475 12:48:17 %git 12:48:17 07Medar02 * 0.18-a0-1215-gc4e1e30: Don't give weight to spells hated by god in acquirement code. 10(45 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c4e1e30f6ab8 12:48:34 !lm cang 12:48:35 3425. [2016-01-01 16:29:27] Amnesiac the Ducker (L1 SpCK of Xom) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 12:48:35 %git 1206 12:48:35 Could not find commit 1206 (git returned 128) 12:48:38 local player 12:48:40 WebFungus, local 12:48:43 ahh 12:48:43 not sure if he'll file a report 12:48:46 cang 12:48:46 cang 12:49:01 if he could upload a save, that'd be useful, probably 12:49:03 http://textuploader.com/57wnf 12:49:05 is his crashlog 12:49:09 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:49:14 windows.... 12:49:23 !source items.cc:2438 12:49:23 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/items.cc#l2438 12:49:42 !source item_def::defined 12:49:42 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/items.cc#l3325 12:49:51 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:50:36 huh, an old comment about stackable xp evokers hanging around there 12:52:24 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:54:11 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:55:22 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:56:12 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Disconnected by services] 12:56:12 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 12:56:53 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:58:48 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:04:57 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:05:45 -!- Cybersaint2k has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:06:50 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:07:50 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:13:43 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:13:57 -!- morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:16:58 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:18:00 Iceblast wand tile 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10269 by WalrusKing 13:19:16 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 13:20:04 MarvinPA: Does stomp not display damage messages? I should fix that. 13:20:17 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:21:11 i forgot to use UK english 13:21:35 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:23:04 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1217-g08d4798: Flag captain's cutlass as forbidden under TSO 10(3 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/08d47982c98e 13:24:47 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:24:59 http://i.imgur.com/oyVIqOG.png 13:25:13 here's a placeholder iceblast tile until ontoclasm inevitably makes one 13:28:35 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:04 http://i.imgur.com/OVbvZQB.png 13:30:06 and acid 13:30:34 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:32:31 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:33:47 -!- pikaro has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:28 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:39:51 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:44:45 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:45:27 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1216-gfe784ad: Remove some unused god speech lines 10(85 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 39-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fe784ad1d00a 13:45:27 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1217-gd34e264: Add messages when damaging monsters with Refrigeration 10(75 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d34e2649641c 13:45:27 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1218-g633db4e: Don't give iceblast reduced explosion noise 10(63 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/633db4eb9201 13:45:27 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1219-g349f121: Remove some transformation stat modifiers 10(45 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/349f12155caf 13:45:27 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1220-g2dc6208: Don't ask Octopodes for armour as a trove toll (edsrzf) 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 15+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2dc620858e38 13:45:42 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:46:14 MarvinPA: are you going to add those tiles? 13:46:45 i wasn't planning on doing, i don't know any tiles stuff 13:46:53 other than how to remove them! 13:47:33 i suppose it's probably the same but backwards but i feel like there's some processing or compression or something that i read about somewhere that i have no clue about 13:48:05 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:48:39 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:31 -!- OldGuy has quit [Client Quit] 13:53:50 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:53:55 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:04 actually the makefile does that for you 13:54:25 just add the tile, the build will use advpng or pngcrush if one of them is available 13:54:57 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:56:16 you'll want to optimise the individual tile before committing it though 13:56:35 * geekosaur looks again, realizes that's probably a joke. x.x 13:56:35 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:57:36 no joke 13:58:43 guess it's mostly insignificant 13:59:16 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:55 -!- WalrusKing_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:35 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05:20 -!- lobf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:47 -!- johnny0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:12 -!- rax has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:21 -!- johnny0 has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:07:27 -!- johnny0_ is now known as johnny0 14:07:27 I meant mpa bringing it up at all (the joke being that he doesn;t add stuff, he removes it) 14:07:36 -!- Ragnor has quit [Disconnected by services] 14:07:43 -!- aparent_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:10:06 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:10:51 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:10:53 -!- amalloy- has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:57 -!- FatShack has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:01 -!- socks__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:09 -!- amalloy- is now known as amalloy 14:11:51 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:11:55 -!- Guest82783 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:00 -!- lobf has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- Menche has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- necKro23 has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- Twinge has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- panicbit has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- gressup has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- FIQ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- staplegun has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- timvisher has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:00 -!- jolamb has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- Ipsum_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- NotKintak has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- droogie has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- rax_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- lvh has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- namad7 has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- GoblinBomb has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- amalloy_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- us17 has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- squimmy has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- doy has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- djinni has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- FatShack_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- socks_ has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- pantaril has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- aparent has quit [*.net *.split] 14:12:01 -!- lobf_ is now known as lobf 14:12:06 -!- djinni_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:09 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:15 -!- doy has joined ##crawl-dev 14:12:26 -!- us17_ is now known as us17 14:13:20 -!- SurpriseTRex__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:14:45 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:05 !tell marvinpa fwiw, I haven't been compressing anything I added, and no one complained 14:15:05 WebFungus: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 14:15:11 -!- necKro23 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:22 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:16:48 dang, brutal hydra form nerfs 14:17:02 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:17:03 so much for the best tmut of 0.16, 0.17, and 0.19... 14:17:33 MarvinPA: note that, technically, op also have shields to enchant. 14:17:55 hmm, true 14:17:55 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 14:18:45 still not a huge ea sink, unless they're using... large shields...! 14:20:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:53 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:25:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:44 |amethyst: I see you tried a few ukayaw games. Any thought so far? 14:25:48 is anyone especially attached to xom chesspieces? since i'm working on some other evokable culling and so far when i've suggested removing them i haven't heard anyone especially keen on them 14:26:12 MarvinPA: They're fun, but they're really strong. Probably too strong. 14:26:25 and their inventory clutter is awful, since they don't stack. 14:26:45 well, given their binary nature stacking should in theory be straightforward :v 14:26:59 yeah i think they're just not a great design for an evokable 14:27:37 MarvinPA: I'm inclined to say I'm in favor of removing them. I think it's probably overall too strong an effect to have repeat access to like that. 14:27:40 -!- WebFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:29:49 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:40:42 maybe it could be an unrand 14:42:11 i've never actually used one. what's so strong about them? 14:43:42 mr bypassing confuse 14:44:06 the downsides are a small chance of losing the item, or a random bad xom effect 14:44:26 evocation only affects the chance of not getting the swap/confuse effect 14:45:09 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:45:56 might be interesting if it was a limited use item and could be gifted by xom? 14:46:15 ??xom reasons 14:46:16 xom reasons[1/10]: Who needs reasons when you've got Xom? 14:46:20 i mean it's already a thing that can be gifted by xom 14:46:25 in that it's a xom action 14:46:26 amalloy: you can repeatedly teleport around the screen, even in tree form 14:46:53 and you can spam what's effectively blink+confuse 14:47:21 it's not even time-gated like elemental evokers? 14:47:26 nope 14:47:35 it's just that small % chance of losing the item 14:47:35 !nerf xom 14:47:35 * Sequell nerfs xom!!! 14:47:42 -!- jolamb_ is now known as jolamb 14:47:49 + the risk of confusing yourself 14:47:56 and they're not unique so even if you lose one there are probably several others 14:48:15 CanOfWorms: I didn't even know about the risk of losing the item. With ~14 evo, I spammed it like crazy -- probably 2 dozen times on Swamp:4 14:48:39 the first time O found one 14:48:46 -!- miek__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:48 *I 14:48:55 it disappeared after 2 uses. :( 14:50:13 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:51:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:09 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:09 -!- aparent_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:09 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:09 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:09 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:51:10 -!- aparent has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:48 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 14:53:54 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 14:56:41 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:08 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:01:25 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:38 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:42 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:05:51 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:11 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:13 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:27:34 -!- Sorbius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:27:36 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:30:31 -!- timvishe_ is now known as timvisher 15:30:59 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:31:17 -!- LordSloth has quit [Client Quit] 15:31:17 -!- roadmap has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:26 I'd make the piece go away after one successful use 15:38:17 -!- Guest82783 has quit [Changing host] 15:38:17 -!- Guest82783 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:18 or make it a fixedart 15:38:19 -!- Guest82783 is now known as FIQ 15:48:42 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:57:24 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:57:46 -!- ChongLi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:58:30 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03:54 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:07:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:53 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:13:20 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:17:22 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:17:40 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:22:00 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:22:32 i don't know if it needs to go after one use 16:22:42 but maybe make it more like a box or sack 16:22:55 a smallish but unknowable number of charges 16:23:01 clearly have Xom flip a coin, tails you lose it 16:23:07 heh 16:23:09 or that i guess 16:23:29 i mean, that's how it is now, right. you can't distinguish "random chance of disappearing after each use" from "has a fixed but unknown number of charges" 16:24:06 you need to perform an EPR experiment 16:24:21 i never got EPR certified 16:26:09 i am too dumb to understand https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPR_paradox 16:27:22 possibly i was thinking of a different experiment, one that indicates that quantum outputs are truly random and not just unknown 16:27:40