00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:56 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:46 -!- zencephalon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:05:49 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:50 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 00:06:23 <|amethyst> Bug report: "Natasha's fingertips start to glow." 00:06:58 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:08:18 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:08:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:17:00 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:17:23 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:20:16 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:21:03 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:28:06 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03 (34) 00:28:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:37 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:47:43 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 00:49:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:50:20 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:51 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:55:46 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:58:13 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:24 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:01:49 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 01:05:42 -!- simmarine_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:07:58 -!- halv has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:46 -!- aditya has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 01:09:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03 (34) 01:12:55 "The peasants are revolting!" 01:13:46 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:07 they've always been revolting. now they're rebelling 01:14:51 -!- kvaak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:16:01 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 01:16:18 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:19:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03 (34) 01:22:50 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:30:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:32:50 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:58 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:50 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:35:38 PleasingFungus: well from reading that thread off and on I think maybe one in five (or eight) people have much of a clue 01:37:53 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:38:11 Also sif "allows hybridization" just fine, pretty much any god who gives you spells would; the training to get piety is something you do have to balance, but you can simply train 33%-50% magic and get to champion slower, especially if you already have a book 01:38:29 Veh is a better choice for that if you don't have a book though 01:38:31 ooh which thread are you guys talking about? 01:38:37 this silly SA thread 01:38:54 the 0.17 one 01:39:14 Oh shit, something awful is still a thing? 01:39:24 I know, as hard as it is to believ 01:39:25 e 01:39:30 But then again, so is tavern! 01:39:32 heh 01:40:11 do I have a clue!? 01:40:26 you're like....well...*mumble*.... 01:41:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 01:43:23 Also I streamed nethack....I died to a soldier ant 01:43:39 nothing I could do... 01:44:12 I think selecting sif and hybridising isn't a very good idea but any god that allows casting allows hybridising 01:44:39 right, but wrt to hybridizing, I'm not sure how we mean 01:45:11 I've done a Tm of Sif for instance, and that worked fine (which is a pretty extreme case of hybrid) 01:46:00 If that works well, as silly as that might be, I don't think going into melee to some degree is going to be a problem given that you don't lose piety much 01:46:27 it's just that any instance I can think of where you might choose Sif and 'hybridise' you would be better off with oka, ash, mak etc 01:47:35 Well that's pretty fair, but if you really want to use the spells a lot you might choose sif or veh 01:47:54 But yeah I think most people who start out chars for that purpose think of those gods 01:49:17 I should get MPAs feedback on my idea for channel rework 01:50:32 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:52:21 !tell MarvinPA I know you aren't the biggest fan of the sif channel interface, so what do you think of the channel rework I propose starting at the 3rd paragraph of https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=256610#p256610 ? The Silence effect is replaceable with simply -Cast, which is closer to the current ability, but less interesting. 01:52:22 gammafunk: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 01:54:19 am i the only one who's seen yiuf wandering around outside his cave a lot lately? 01:54:26 ...really 01:54:34 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03 01:54:40 I've not seen him wandering, no 01:54:44 hm 01:54:47 he was unawoken when I last found him 01:55:00 veh is one of my favorite god to hybrid with 01:55:01 i've seen it twice now today 01:55:13 since his bonuses to conjurations allow me to spend a bit more xp on other skills 01:55:22 like melee skills 01:55:51 yeah, good with enchanter types too, even 01:55:59 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:56:20 heh i tend to prioritize melee 01:56:28 so all my dudes become hybrids in the long run 01:56:53 which is why i have so much more trouble with DE than a lot of people =p 01:56:59 !lg . mage won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 01:57:00 11 games for gammafunk (mage won): avg(ac)=26.18; avg(ev)=21.36 01:57:13 that's more than I thought 01:57:35 what is “mage” defined as? 01:57:46 look it up, lobf! 01:57:53 ??mage 01:57:53 caster[1/6]: only a couple people actually mean "character that casts spells" when they say this 01:57:56 !kw mage 01:57:56 ? 01:57:57 Keyword: mage => AE|Cj|EE|--FE|IE|Ne|Su|VM|Wz 01:58:17 gotcha, so it’s a starting class thing 01:58:30 yeah, the same title given on the selection screen 01:58:37 or heading, rather 01:58:59 -!- starbucks has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:59:56 that average sounds about right 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:45 for me i mean 02:00:56 !lg lobf mage won x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 02:00:57 No games for lobf (mage won). 02:01:02 !lg lobf 02:01:03 5. lobf the Vexing (L4 VSEn), slain by an orc wizard (a +0 dagger) on D:3 on 2015-01-09 23:08:38, with 97 points after 2504 turns and 0:07:21. 02:01:08 i play offline 02:01:09 offline player? 02:01:11 ah ok 02:01:22 however if should be noted 02:01:23 ??offline 02:01:24 offline[1/1]: Doesn't count. 02:01:28 yeah yeah 02:01:39 it’s cool, i don’t play for it to count :P 02:01:48 but this is REAL! 02:01:53 haha 02:02:19 the delay doesn’t bother me as much as the inventory layout 02:02:28 i like being able to see everything i’ve got 02:02:34 without opening a menu 02:02:41 yeah making webtiles have the local tiles layout is an FR 02:03:06 !lg . won urune=3 x=avg(ac),avg(ev) / mage 02:03:07 22/79 games for Medar (won urune=3): avg(ac)=29.55/29.47 (100.26%); avg(ev)=26.36/20.43 (129.04%) 02:03:10 yeah that would make me a lot more likely to play online 02:03:25 especially since the slight lag can slow me down a bit 02:03:34 which i need sometimes 02:03:42 gammafunk: I hope that won't be forced upon players 02:03:47 because I much prefer the webtiles ui 02:03:58 and I can't stand playing offline now 02:04:00 interesting 02:04:02 zxc: yeah, even in Tiles you can disable them 02:04:10 but I'm not sure which other aspects you mean 02:04:32 firstly I don't like showing the inventory and other buttons on the right hand side 02:04:53 secondly I don't like the differences in the menus that you open ingame 02:05:08 offline tiles will show full screen menus which block out everything else 02:05:18 as well as show useless icons for each item 02:05:30 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:05:46 doesn't webtiles show the same icons? 02:05:46 visual references are nice 02:05:54 Medar: it's possible but I've only noticed them offline 02:05:55 except for skill menu 02:06:02 oh yeah it does, i’m looking now 02:06:11 checking now 02:06:19 yeah 02:06:21 I guess that's fine then :) 02:06:33 I don't think I've ever noticed them 02:06:47 also the layout is exactly the same except the map is shrunk a little bit to allow the inventory 02:06:51 instead of a list of enemies 02:06:56 which you can toggle 02:07:07 I wonder how hard making local tiles menu not fullscreen would be, and whether everyone would hate that 02:07:21 and when you open some menus in webtiles it blacks out most of the screen 02:07:26 or all of the rest of it 02:07:38 lobf: such as? 02:07:48 oh nm, it’s just darkened 02:08:00 Medar: fullscreen is an option 02:08:10 i play windowed 02:08:15 I mean the menus 02:08:20 oh 02:08:26 the menus offline block out everything 02:08:51 it's not even so much that you see anything useful while the they are open, there is just more of a disconnect I guess 02:08:54 if that makes any sense 02:08:55 what are you seeing though? 02:09:07 it's disorientating for me 02:09:13 right, I agree 02:09:15 and unnecessary to block out everything 02:09:33 I see nothing wrong with the webtiles ui 02:09:34 i suppose so 02:09:59 it's like dialogs in any program, sure you are not reading anything from below, but it makes more sense when it's floating above 02:10:03 it lacks mouse control but at the same time it encourages/forces new players to learn keyboard controls which are obviously far better 02:10:30 but maybe for accessibility mouse ui should be a thing 02:10:32 well it should support mouse if people want to use that 02:10:42 -!- Snack_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:10:45 or rather it would be ideal if it did 02:11:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:11:34 !lg Medar s=tiles 02:11:35 581 games for Medar: 513x true, 68x false 02:11:39 huh 02:12:00 also, webtiles menus are simply superior to fullscreen ones because the items pop up at the middle of the screen 02:12:03 !lg . !tiles s=cv 02:12:03 68 games for Medar (!tiles): 39x 0.8, 29x 0.7 02:12:07 which is where you are usually looking 02:12:30 !lg devteamnp s=name,tiles o=tiles 02:12:31 Bad filter condition: 'tiles' (extra: ) 02:12:36 !lg devteamnp s=name,tiles 02:12:37 62187 games for devteamnp: 11963x Neil (11855x false, 108x true), 10454x KiloByte (10452x false, 2x true), 6247x 78291 (6246x false, true), 3564x gammafunk (3351x false, 213x true), 3530x wheals (3521x false, 9x true), 3393x sorear (3393x false), 3100x MarvinPA (3097x false, 3x true), 2206x rob (2206x false), 2160x dpeg (2160x false), 1733x bh (1374x false, 359x true), 1440x SamB (1440x false), 13... 02:13:08 shouldn't you do / tiles 02:13:30 yeah probably 02:13:40 !lg devteamnp s=name / tiles o=% 02:13:41 2918/62187 games for devteamnp: 428/428x PleasingFungus [100.00%], 408/411x reaver [99.27%], 513/581x Medar [88.30%], 10/12x jpeg [83.33%], 312/424x mumra [73.58%], 372/577x ontoclasm [64.47%], 19/41x felirx [46.34%], 2/5x DracoOmega [40.00%], 1/3x galehar [33.33%], 359/1733x bh [20.72%], 56/277x Sage [20.22%], 82/979x HangedMan [8.38%], 213/3564x gammafunk [5.98%], 2/49x edlothiol [4.08%], 16/538... 02:14:04 you made the list 02:14:25 !lg devteamnp s=name / tiles recent o=% 02:14:26 510/62187 games for devteamnp: 19/41x felirx [46.34%], 137/411x reaver [33.33%], 120/581x Medar [20.65%], 83/577x ontoclasm [14.38%], 53/428x PleasingFungus [12.38%], 54/1733x bh [3.12%], 5/424x mumra [1.18%], 17/3564x gammafunk [0.48%], 6/3530x wheals [0.17%], 16/11963x Neil [0.13%], 0/159x haranp [0.00%], 0/229x amalloy [0.00%], 0/277x Sage [0.00%], 0/155x Zaba [0.00%], 0/138x evktalo [0.00%], 0... 02:14:38 test games! 02:14:45 !lg devteamnp s=name / tiles !boring recent o=% 02:14:47 419/62187 games for devteamnp: 19/41x felirx [46.34%], 130/411x reaver [31.63%], 119/581x Medar [20.48%], 51/428x PleasingFungus [11.92%], 59/577x ontoclasm [10.23%], 34/1733x bh [1.96%], 5/424x mumra [1.18%], 1/3530x wheals [0.03%], 1/11963x Neil [0.01%], 0/155x Zaba [0.00%], 0/159x haranp [0.00%], 0/229x amalloy [0.00%], 0/277x Sage [0.00%], 0/138x evktalo [0.00%], 0/94x Keskitalo [0.00%], 0/49x... 02:15:09 that's a weird query 02:15:26 !lg devteamnp !boring recent s=name / tiles o=% 02:15:27 419/3034 games for devteamnp (!boring recent): 34/34x bh [100.00%], 5/5x mumra [100.00%], 130/130x reaver [100.00%], 19/19x felirx [100.00%], 51/51x PleasingFungus [100.00%], 119/119x Medar [100.00%], 59/60x ontoclasm [98.33%], 1/109x wheals [0.92%], 1/1309x Neil [0.08%], 0/77x elliptic [0.00%], 0/54x doy [0.00%], 0/45x MarvinPA [0.00%], 0/125x amalloy [0.00%], 0/13x SGrunt [0.00%], 0/158x dpeg [0... 02:15:50 0.08% 02:17:21 !lg devteamnp !gfspeed !boring s=tiles / won o=% 02:17:23 1723/53154 games for devteamnp (!gfspeed !boring): 176/2543x true [6.92%], 1547/50611x false [3.06%] 02:18:06 !lg devteamnp !gfspeed !boring s=tiles name!=neil / won o=% 02:18:07 1720/42747 games for devteamnp (!gfspeed !boring name!=neil): 176/2521x true [6.98%], 1544/40226x false [3.84%] 02:18:22 !lg devteamnp !gfspeed !boring s=tiles name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte / won o=% 02:18:23 1673/30717 games for devteamnp (!gfspeed !boring name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte): 176/2515x true [7.00%], 1497/28202x false [5.31%] 02:18:37 need more people to blame 02:18:57 !lg devteamnp !gfspeed !boring s=tiles name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte|dpeg|78291 / won o=% 02:18:58 1179/22723 games for devteamnp (!gfspeed !boring name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte|dpeg|78291): 176/2515x true [7.00%], 1003/20208x false [4.96%] 02:19:14 there's a query that will show we're better 02:19:43 !lg devteamnp !gfspeed !boring s=tiles name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte|dpeg|78291|sgrunt / won o=% 02:19:45 1138/21348 games for devteamnp (!gfspeed !boring name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte|dpeg|78291|sgrunt): 176/2515x true [7.00%], 962/18833x false [5.11%] 02:19:53 over 5%, impressive 02:20:04 !lg devteamnp !tiles s=name 02:20:06 59269 games for devteamnp (!tiles): 11855x Neil, 10452x KiloByte, 6246x 78291, 3521x wheals, 3393x sorear, 3351x gammafunk, 3097x MarvinPA, 2206x rob, 2160x dpeg, 1440x SamB, 1398x SGrunt, 1374x bh, 1360x bookofjude, 983x doy, 897x HangedMan, 893x erisdiscordia, 866x pointless, 592x elliptic, 582x evilmike, 575x itsmu, 522x Lasty, 229x amalloy, 221x Sage, 205x ontoclasm, 159x haranp, 155x Zaba, 13... 02:20:20 !lg devteamnp !gfspeed !boring s=tiles name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte|dpeg|78291|sgrunt|sorear / won o=% 02:20:21 1112/18230 games for devteamnp (!gfspeed !boring name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte|dpeg|78291|sgrunt|sorear): 176/2515x true [7.00%], 936/15715x false [5.96%] 02:20:27 we're closing in 02:20:38 I'll check back in an hour 02:20:44 !lg devteamnp !gfspeed !boring s=tiles name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte|dpeg|78291|sgrunt|sorear recent / won o=% 02:20:45 216/961 games for devteamnp (!gfspeed !boring name!=neil|wheals|kilobyte|dpeg|78291|sgrunt|sorear recent): 174/552x false [31.52%], 42/409x true [10.27%] 02:20:54 BOOM 02:21:18 curses 02:22:38 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:28:05 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:28:09 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:35:06 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:37:13 -!- sk3 is now known as ktgrey 02:37:21 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:39:18 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 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LordSloth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:31:28 oh, that's what all those pings were about a little while ago. just showing off console superiority 03:31:48 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:33:02 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:35:41 =O 03:35:46 wands of removedness? 03:44:57 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:45:10 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:50:06 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:51:59 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:57:39 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:59:20 -!- West1C has quit [] 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:07 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19:50 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:21:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:26:39 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 04:31:53 -!- HalfStep has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 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Did disintegration survive? 05:50:37 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:57:24 %git HEAD^ 05:57:24 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1194-g6f661db: Remove various wands 10(31 hours ago, 35 files, 137+ 212-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f661db7440e 05:57:37 yes 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03:19 gotta go one more step then :) 06:03:36 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:25:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:26:15 -!- Starbucks has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:27:35 namelastname112 (L21 FeTm) ASSERT(abs(armour_plus) < 30) in 'monster.cc' at line 923 failed. (Depths:1) 06:29:51 !crashlog 06:29:52 12974. namelastname112, XL21 FeTm, T:66256 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/namelastname112/crash-namelastname112-20160129-112717.txt 06:30:00 -!- nbshade has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:30:09 !source monster.cc:923 06:30:10 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l923 06:31:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:43:29 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52:00 -!- read has quit [Quit: bye.] 06:58:50 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:08 -!- Lathuz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:17:48 -!- mopl is now known as mopl_away 07:21:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:22:54 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:26:18 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:44:20 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:46:34 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:49:18 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:50:59 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51:08 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:53:05 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:57:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:22 Lost Ely piety under divine protection - amulet of reflection? 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10260 by nubinia 08:07:22 maybe reflection shouldn't work when lifesaving is activated. there is already a special case for minotaur retaliation. 08:11:50 wonder how reflecting forbidden attacks is handled, tso + poison etc. 08:13:46 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:14:26 -!- knu has quit [Quit: Reboot...] 08:14:58 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:17:59 -!- maxaitor has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:19:03 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:28:23 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:32:25 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:34:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:38:54 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:44:26 <|amethyst> the reflection is supposed to have MID_YOU_FAULTLESS, which is supposed to give the player credit but not blame 08:44:49 ah 08:48:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:12 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:55:19 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:55:47 <|amethyst> err 08:55:59 <|amethyst> the message there is just "Your divine protection fades away." 08:56:10 <|amethyst> I think that means the protection just expired 08:57:09 <|amethyst> if it were being stripped it would say "does not appreciate your shedding blood when asking for salvation!" 08:57:17 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:57:30 <|amethyst> oh 08:57:40 says "lost piety", but that's just what happens when using the ability? 08:57:46 <|amethyst> yeah 08:57:52 ??divine protection 08:57:52 divine protection[1/2]: While under divine protection, {life saving} is guaranteed if you are above 130 piety, but you will lose 20+1d20 piety each time it happens. If below 130 piety, then you get saved (with no piety loss) if 1d(piety) > 30. In the latter case, your effective piety is multiplied by 4/3 if wearing faith. 08:58:00 <|amethyst> well, that's what happens when it's high enough to be guaranteed 08:58:19 <|amethyst> and the docs do say that 08:58:26 right 08:58:27 <|amethyst> Especially pious individuals may be certain of this 08:58:27 <|amethyst> help, but in that case, any intervention costs piety (as opposed to merely 08:58:28 <|amethyst> asking for intervention, which is always free). 08:58:34 <|amethyst> so that can be closed 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:05 I'll do that 09:11:49 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:12:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:47 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:18:06 New branch created: pull/231 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 09:18:06 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1162-g8811aab: Improve the captain's cutlass 10(66 minutes ago, 3 files, 53+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8811aabfbcfe 09:21:46 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:22:22 -!- shuangxi has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 09:28:37 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:14 -!- kvaak_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:37:20 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:38:48 -!- kvaak_ is now known as kvaak 09:40:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:46:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:50:45 -!- shuangxi has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:58:03 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:31 -!- zencephalon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:01:06 -!- Nexos is now known as fdel 10:02:02 -!- JJ_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:02:19 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:02:43 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:16 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1162-g6432a77: Improve the captain's cutlass 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 47+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6432a7712745 10:09:49 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:09:57 <|amethyst> DrKe: I can't comment on balance or anything, but I think "Users can execute a powerful follow-up attack" is misleading 10:10:15 i struggled with the wording on that for a long time 10:10:17 can you suggest anything 10:10:37 <|amethyst> hm 10:11:26 i feel like going for something flavorish like the blade seeks out openings doesn't actually tell you what the ability does 10:11:34 Phlounder (L24 HEWn) (Depths:4) 10:11:43 and comes off as generic flavor text 10:12:19 <|amethyst> could be more mechanical, "This blade has the capability to suddenly relieve opponents of their weapons, dealing extra damage in the process." 10:13:12 yeah that does work 10:14:32 <|amethyst> the chance numbers seem a lot higher now 10:14:49 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:01 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:15:14 <|amethyst> hm, I guess only for low-HD stuff 10:16:22 -!- LMtx has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:16:56 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:14 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:17:16 <|amethyst> but on a hit that does 15 post-AC damage, previously you disarmed 1/5 of the time, now it's 1/4 of the time vs HD 24 and more often against smaller monsters 10:17:32 i was balancing off of lower average damage 10:17:41 like generally in the 10 or less range 10:18:05 since that is what i kinda expect from a speed rapier 10:19:02 where do I put the rc file on windows? 10:19:33 <|amethyst> yeah, I guess that's true.. just did fsim at sbl 10/fighting 10, 18 str 15 dex, vs a yak, and 17 was maxdam 10:19:37 -!- muravey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:19:58 <|amethyst> and that's rather high str for someone who would be using sbl 10:20:03 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:23 <|amethyst> !lg * won skill=short_blades 10:20:24 277. tekelili the Politician (L27 VSFi of Gozag), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2016-01-24 16:13:51, with 13479864 points after 119342 turns and 8:30:22. 10:20:29 <|amethyst> !lg * won skill=short_blades s=str 10:20:30 277 games for * (won skill=short_blades): 22x 8, 22x 16, 21x 15, 20x 18, 18x 12, 18x 11, 14x 17, 14x 13, 14x 10, 13x 14, 12x 19, 12x 22, 11x 20, 10x 9, 9x 21, 7x 25, 6x 26, 6x 24, 6x 23, 4x 31, 2x 28, 2x 30, 2x 35, 32, 4, 34, 38, 33, 6, 29, 3, 39, 7, 27, 40 10:20:40 <|amethyst> !lg * won skill=short_blades s=str -graph 10:20:42 277 games for * (won skill=short_blades): https://shalott.org/graphs/d4f4b8595e515554bc0b1047a223a34d315fe66c.html 10:20:45 i did want it to be a little better than dam/75 was against most things, but not a lot 10:21:08 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:21 i suppose i could nerf it by increasing the 3 figure to say 5 10:21:40 but i feel like that would make it maybe worse than the 75 figure against like orc warlord 10:24:47 muravey: settings\init.txt IIRC, under the crawl directory 10:25:34 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:58 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 10:25:59 in appdata? 10:26:13 muravey: the tiles version says "(Options read from ...)" in start up 10:26:23 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:26:34 oh right, I have the non-installer version, wonder if the installer one checks some appdata directory 10:26:46 I'll just get the noninstaller version 10:27:21 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:29:08 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:29:44 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1162-gb7b8e66: Improve the captain's cutlass 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 44+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b7b8e66411af 10:31:02 what does the + at the end of the inscription signify? 10:31:33 i looked at boots of the assassin 10:31:58 and figured that was a slightly better way of formatting it 10:32:02 I have no clue what the convention is 10:32:07 <|amethyst> Hm, I'd go with just Disarm 10:32:15 but things like shillelagh have lowercase no plus 10:32:19 <|amethyst> the + there I guess means "make you better at doing this" 10:32:20 ??shillelagh 10:32:20 devastator[1/4]: (maces & flails; +3 acc / 8 dam / 1.3 base delay / 0.6 min delay). The shillelagh "Devastator". It's a +6 shillelagh that casts radius 1 shatter when you hit something with it, centered on the thing you hit. No, it won't hit you, nor will it break walls. Spellpower scales with melee damage dealt. Think of it as a noisy demon whip that doesn't work against some things. 10:32:44 <|amethyst> whereas disarming barely exists outside the cutlass, and doesn't on weapons 10:32:46 yeah, that is probably a good place to start 10:32:49 also arc blade, firestarter etc. so I would probably leave it alone 10:32:51 convention wise 10:33:12 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:33:32 <|amethyst> hm, yeah, I guess lowercase probably is better 10:34:27 idk what i was thinking changing that, tbh 10:34:54 lower case also matches the (speed, 10:35:57 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:39:58 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/231 * 0.18-a0-1162-g67d3371: Improve the captain's cutlass 10(2 hours ago, 3 files, 43+ 13-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/67d3371da8ca 10:40:15 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:40 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:41:55 -!- Yermak_ is now known as Yermak 10:44:36 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:46:22 -!- zwisch__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:49:47 ??dagger of chilly death 10:49:48 dagger of chilly death[1/1]: +9 dagger of Chilly Death {freeze, rPois rF- rC++ MR+}. Can apply {flash freeze} on hit. 10:57:09 hmm, i found one other unrand that would use unrand_flag_unchivalric 10:57:21 staff of olgreb 10:57:51 since it's not considered a staff of poison, it doesn't show up as red for tso-ites 10:58:43 2 unrands worth making a flag for? 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:00:19 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:32 i guess that means you can acquire it with TSO, even 11:02:31 probably makes more sense to just add it into goditem.cc as a poisoned_item 11:10:23 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 11:14:35 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:17:41 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:18:19 / Player disarming sounds like a bad idea; monster-on-monster might (...) 11:18:25 WHY? 11:18:25 er, -caps 11:19:14 he meant that you, the player getting disarmed sounds bad 11:19:26 I am aware what he meant 11:19:27 hbut why? 11:19:34 *but 11:19:34 isnt it kinda self evident 11:19:54 you would get chain disarmed lol 11:20:11 so find anther means to deal with a monster with it 11:20:20 I don't see how it is different from, say, distortion 11:20:45 i mean it could be a merfolk who is in deep water 11:21:37 also, this makes me curious, what happens vs summon s 11:21:39 *summons 11:21:46 cant disarm them 11:23:44 deep water mf is a good point 11:23:47 and for lava 11:24:04 but tbh, if it wasn't for those cases in particular 11:24:06 remember that monsters follow different rules from players and this is very hard to change 11:24:16 (aka "monsters cheat") 11:24:18 then IMO blocking it would just be silly 11:24:20 it's just worth the trouble for a case that practically never happens 11:24:23 geekosaur: Right 11:24:41 Was just wondering why this case in particular was a bad idea, as per comments 11:25:01 I wasn't saying "go and implement it", it is probably not worth the effort 11:25:08 but was wondering why it was an outright bad idea :P 11:25:09 oh well 11:26:08 there's also the question of what happens if you're wielding something Fragile 11:26:15 (unless i missed that being removed again) 11:26:23 geekosaur: well.. that question is also relevant for monsters 11:27:32 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:28:14 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:29:05 oh that reminds me 11:29:12 -!- droogie_ is now known as droogie 11:29:19 I should go and see what happens if you gift an orcish follower a Fragile item 11:29:31 it might potentially induce some kind of crash, maybe 11:29:39 due to the weird order of how things happen 11:29:56 because it appears that unwield effects do proc 11:30:06 (or unwear, whatever) 11:30:23 can you gift them stuff youare currently wearing 11:30:49 !bug 10250 11:30:49 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10250 11:31:01 but orcish gifting gives this message order, so while something definitely is off in the code, this might end up even worse: Orc does its' "try this item out" logic like other monsters, weapon is unwielded/unworn, orc does the "try this item out" logic... again 11:31:12 DrKe: yesa 11:31:12 -a 11:31:28 probably you should have to take something off to gift it 11:31:39 yeah, that does sound like a good solution 11:31:42 Medar: ah, I see 11:31:50 @ bug entry 11:32:05 it might be related to the strange orc gift behaviour 11:32:15 the distortion and contam thing is funny 11:32:27 its a secret beogh ability 11:32:34 distortion effects still happen 11:32:48 I tried it a few days ago 11:32:53 well he stated no penalty in the bug report 11:32:58 so i guess that alone was fixed 11:33:00 This is how I concluded that unwield effects do proc 11:33:04 or maybe everything except fragile 11:33:11 So I was wondering how fragile would interact 11:33:28 e.g. if it would destroy the item, then leaving the orc with a dangling item pointer or similar 11:33:37 (and crash) 11:34:28 DrKe: I gifted an orc a distort brand weapon because I didn't feel like being banished to the Abyss at L:1, and I ended up getting dimensional anchor 11:36:04 I personally wouldn't actually mind that being a beogh secret tech, but wheals' suggestion seems like the obvious one 11:36:22 (that = not proccing unwield/unwear stuff) 11:39:30 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:43:03 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:44:00 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:44:25 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 11:44:30 oh, and also, beogh gift ability seems to use the same function as the one monster who steals items 11:44:33 whose name I forgot 11:47:12 maurice 11:47:47 so any quirks with beogh item gifting 11:47:50 also applies for maurice 12:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:22 -!- chewy has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:59 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:04:46 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:07:39 -!- 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maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:52:56 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:07 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:01:53 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:03:51 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:07:37 -!- OldGuy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:08:33 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15:56 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:21:50 ldf (L15 DDFi) ASSERT(abs(armour_plus) < 30) in 'monster.cc' at line 923 failed. (Depths:1) 13:22:04 meh 13:23:12 P0WERM0DE (L23 DECK) ASSERT(item.base_type == OBJ_ARMOUR) in 'itemprop.cc' at line 1424 failed. (Depths:2) 13:28:44 <|amethyst> !crashlog 13:28:45 12977. P0WERM0DE, XL23 DECK, T:102830 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/P0WERM0DE/crash-P0WERM0DE-20160129-182310.txt 13:28:45 <|amethyst> !crashlog -2 13:28:46 No milestones for -2 (crash). 13:28:52 <|amethyst> !crashlog * -2 13:28:53 12976/12977. ldf, XL15 DDFi, T:15454 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/ldf/crash-ldf-20160129-182149.txt 13:29:50 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:31:09 <|amethyst> both involve rakshasa illusions 13:31:12 <|amethyst> I must go though 13:32:02 !crashlog * -3 13:32:02 12975/12977. Phlounder, XL24 HEWn, T:65779 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/Phlounder/crash-Phlounder-20160129-151125.txt 13:32:16 !crashlog * -4 13:32:16 12974/12977. namelastname112, XL21 FeTm, T:66256 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/namelastname112/crash-namelastname112-20160129-112717.txt 13:32:38 something wrong with rakshasa 13:32:43 <|amethyst> My guess is: 13:32:51 <|amethyst> %git 7589f66b 13:32:51 07wheals02 * 0.18-a0-1192-g7589f66: Add and use a mon_inv_iterator. 10(25 hours ago, 13 files, 132+ 135-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7589f66b1e5f 13:33:04 <|amethyst> something changed when iterating over illusion inventory 13:33:16 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:04 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36:25 -!- morphy has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:41:19 -!- zeeratt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:42:01 think I got it 13:43:40 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:44:28 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-1196-g09327cf: Fix cloning monster equipment. 10(49 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/09327cff75d0 13:45:05 -!- WorkSight has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45:21 &versions 13:46:08 !cmd &versions 13:46:09 Command: &versions => .echo $(join ", " (map (fn (src) (concat $src ": " (=version.query $src $*))) (serverlist))) 13:46:48 rip? 13:46:51 90s limit exceeded: killed &versions 13:47:10 !cmd =version.query 13:47:10 Command: =version.query => !lm * recent $* max=vlong fmt:"$vlong" stub:"none" 13:48:05 &versions 13:48:10 one more try 13:48:13 ??rebuild 13:48:14 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 13:48:30 CAO: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03, CBRO: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03, CDO: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03, CPO: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03, CSZO: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03, CUE: 0.18-a0-1193-gb7aa92a, CWZ: 0.18-a0-1163-g98183fe, CXC: 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03, LLD: 0.18-a0-1132-g8c20bbc 13:51:17 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1196-g09327cf (34) 13:52:16 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:52:23 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1196-g09327cf (34) 13:53:17 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:46 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1196-g09327cf (34) 13:59:54 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1196-g09327cf (34) 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:19 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1196-g09327cf (34) 14:02:32 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:06:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:08:16 -!- HalfStep has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:11:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:12:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:17:48 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:56 ??Player_ghost 14:25:57 ghost[1/5]: Ghosts get damage, hitpoints, resistances, speed (not move delay), and spells very closely based on the former adventurer. All player ghosts are immune to poison, asphyxiation, torment, and negative energy. 14:25:59 ??Player_ghost[2 14:26:00 ghost[2/5]: Ghosts don't follow you down/upstairs. They are doomed to forever haunt the level. Ghosts don't appear on D:1, D:2, or the Temple. 14:26:03 ??Player_ghost[3 14:26:04 ghost words[1/2]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 adept, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 14:26:06 ??Player_ghost[4 14:26:07 ghost words[2/2]: pre-0.17 ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 average, 7-10 experienced, 11-15 powerful, 16-21 mighty, 22-25 great, 26 awesomely powerful, 27 legendary 14:26:10 ??Player_ghost[5 14:26:10 ghost[5/5]: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.8/banei/morgue-banei-20110619-030928.txt 14:26:58 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:27:05 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:28:20 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:35:16 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:38:26 -!- falu has quit [Client Quit] 14:42:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:42:55 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:43:59 -!- molotove has quit [Client Quit] 14:45:25 -!- molotove has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:50:01 -!- molotove has quit [Client Quit] 14:52:19 -!- maxaitor has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:58:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:58:23 :wq 14:59:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:54 :q! 15:01:25 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:02:44 My work in progress! 15:03:55 :n 15:04:19 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:04:48 * geekosaur keystuffs :Qn and watches the brains go pop 15:05:00 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 15:05:54 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:02 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:18:39 so i was surprised to find out what the / key is bound to. why is this a useful binding? 15:19:20 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:21:59 i haven't figured out what / actually is yet 15:22:16 aside from in ?/ 15:23:12 try hitting /w 15:23:29 same as w 15:23:33 as far as i can tell 15:23:34 er, really? 15:23:40 yeah brings up wear 15:23:44 okay, now hit w 15:23:52 ohh 15:23:58 lol 15:24:02 so it's shift? 15:24:05 yeah 15:24:09 and * is ctrl 15:24:14 so 15:24:16 or rather, it's caps. doesn't seem to apply to punctuation 15:24:23 i think that may kind of make sense 15:24:25 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:24:38 the thing is, sending control characters over ssh (and in browser windows) is hard sometimes 15:24:44 i've never heard of any trouble sending capital letters 15:25:03 / * are next to each other; * for ctrl in webtiles because ^w is close window/tab 15:25:10 that is my perception 15:25:53 but yeah 15:25:58 / itself i'm not sure the purpose 15:27:00 Issue with Iron Giant throwing eldritch tentacle? 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10261 by Jarlyk 15:28:47 nice bug 15:29:32 -!- IceBlind is now known as WorkSight 15:29:46 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:10 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:33:15 -!- Starbucks has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:38:53 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:05 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:46:59 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:02:53 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:04:21 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 16:09:48 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:10:17 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:10:36 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:16:16 -!- CcS has quit [] 16:17:38 -!- frn is now known as banksy 16:17:43 -!- bmfx has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:25:38 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:25:43 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:31:30 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:31:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:35:57 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:27 -!- Blade- has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:42:34 <|amethyst> one reason / is there is for people whose terminals don't support shift-arrow etc 16:45:32 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 16:46:07 oh, arrow keys 16:46:39 TIL you can type shift-4, as distinct from $ 16:47:24 well that makes sense although i don't imagine there are many people using that feature 16:48:37 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 16:54:41 <|amethyst> yeah, I don't mind that being the default, but it would be nice if you could actually rebind / and * 16:54:55 <|amethyst> with bindkey that is, not just macros or keymaps 16:57:43 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:45 |amethyst: wand of icicleball, how's that? 17:02:01 physical damage component and AOE! 17:02:02 wand of localized blizzard 17:02:05 yes 17:02:44 tbh for monsters that resist drain fully, I think they only partially resist cold? 17:02:47 @??lich 17:02:47 lich (15L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 67-95 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1513(drain) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3075 | Sp: (random) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:02:55 hrm, guess they resist it a lot 17:03:05 @??ghost_crab 17:03:05 ghost crab (15t) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 50-68 | AC/EV: 9/6 | Dam: 2013(drain), 1513(drain) | natural, 07undead, amphibious, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 948 | Sp: spectral cloud [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 17:03:13 one of the few with no rC 17:03:20 yeah, most undead are rC+ or ++ 17:03:23 @??centau_zombie 17:03:24 unknown monster: "centau_zombie" 17:03:26 @??centaur_zombie 17:03:26 centaur zombie (07Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 4 | HP: 28-40 | AC/EV: 1/2 | Dam: 8 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(5), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 45 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 17:03:39 yeah they probably mostly have rC++ for the early-mid game 17:03:41 not many with out-and-out rc+++, I think just freezing wraiths 17:03:54 well no, as you can see, most have only rC++ 17:04:17 but the wand will still do poor damage versus that 17:04:49 <|amethyst> gammafunk: yeah, rC+++ isn't very common... but neither is rF+++ really 17:05:03 <|amethyst> except that there are crimson imps 17:05:12 but yeah rC+ and rC++ are far more common than rF+ and rF++ 17:06:38 it could be kind of cool though, a wand that did a glaciate attack, making ice blocks with some chance 17:06:48 obviously with different damage specification 17:07:10 perhaps it would feel like too much complexity for a wand 17:07:13 maybe more like an evoker 17:07:23 that sounds cool 17:08:19 oh, I guess there's the issue of it making clouds, but I suppose it doesn't need to do this 17:08:24 since that would be ridiculous 17:11:56 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12:37 <|amethyst> we were talking about replacing rod of destruction anyway, right? 17:17:21 oh, you'd like to see a cold-themed rod? 17:17:26 I suppose that's possible as well 17:17:45 <|amethyst> there's just so much fire in evocables 17:17:47 <|amethyst> and so little cold 17:17:48 yeah 17:17:57 <|amethyst> I don't think anything gives you guaranteed cold? 17:17:59 my only concern with that is that it starts to get closer to glaciate the spell since rods have mana 17:18:13 well and people tend to use them with higher evo and hence spellpower 17:18:37 but yeah that could work 17:18:44 <|amethyst> I think a wand would be my first preference 17:19:01 <|amethyst> but rod would be second, before a new XP evoker or whatever 17:19:17 yeah, about the only think I could say about something that's got some of glaciate's mechanics (those being AOE and non-resistable damage) is the complexity of wands are pretty simple 17:19:18 <|amethyst> not for glaciate-lite specifically 17:19:31 -!- sirvagabond has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:19:58 <|amethyst> I think a wand wouldn't need non-resistable damage 17:20:21 no it wouldn't, I just think it leaves higher-tier damage wands in a tigher spot 17:20:33 <|amethyst> oh, because lightning sucks? 17:20:40 <|amethyst> comparatively speaking 17:20:45 yeah lightning is really loud, misses a lot 17:20:53 also it's loud 17:21:03 kvaak: well true, but it's also just *loud* 17:21:37 .echo Lighting is just loud guys 17:21:38 Lighting is just loud guys 17:22:13 If we ever implement dancing wands, dancing wands of lightning should talk in all caps 17:23:15 For fire evokers, what do we actually have: lamp, /frost, /fireball, /ignition 17:23:19 er \ignition, I guess 17:23:29 <|amethyst> reflavour xtahua as a dancing rod of ignition 17:23:32 there's \destruction but I think people want to remove/replace that 17:23:47 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:23:47 and also s/frost/flame/ 17:23:48 <|amethyst> and /flame presumably, not /frost :) 17:23:51 <|amethyst> yeah 17:24:10 I'm too used to not caring about the difference! 17:24:17 but what about sexytahua 17:24:30 rip sexyuniques 17:25:11 <|amethyst> was /frost full-LOS? 17:25:37 yes, I thought all were 17:25:41 is /fireball limited? 17:26:27 <|amethyst> no, I was asking because that's the difference between throw frost and throw flame spells 17:28:55 ah, wasn't even aware 17:32:19 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:09 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:36:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:37:11 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 17:37:13 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:40:06 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:40:41 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:46:32 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 17:48:21 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 17:49:58 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 17:54:19 -!- Starbucks has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:57:17 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 17:59:16 -!- zeeratt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:59:49 -!- Starbucks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:47 -!- KamiKatze has quit [] 18:16:52 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:17:09 -!- Blade-_ is now known as Blade- 18:21:08 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:28:52 -!- Starbucks has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:28:58 -!- Blade- has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:29:39 -!- zencephalon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:32:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:33:23 -!- Athaboros has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46:01 -!- tin is now known as Guest94354 18:48:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:56:32 -!- Crawl_Bacchus has quit [Quit: Look what I got, Bart, a Tickle-Me Krusty doll!] 18:59:20 gammafunk: re: wand of glaciate, it would be neat to have an ultra-high-tier attack wand; maybe something that only stores 1-2 charges and spawns rarely 18:59:29 tho that might be busted w/ Pak 18:59:53 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:53 -!- JJ_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:59:59 Lasty: that's a cute idea, although it doesn't address the high tier wand damage capability 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:03 issue 19:00:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:15 what's the issue? 19:00:17 it also feels kind of like a rod to me 19:00:36 Well /drain and /coldball would find they're resisted in tandem a lot 19:00:48 ah, yeah 19:00:54 anything resisting drain very likely has at least one level of rC, probably rC++ 19:00:57 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:01:11 like glaciate/throw icicle, some could be irresistable 19:01:27 you mean have an irresistable component? 19:01:31 yes 19:01:33 -!- zencephalon has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:01:39 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:01:42 Yeah, that was a change I proposed for |amethyst's /coldball wand 19:01:49 but it starts to get weird maybe 19:01:58 and as you said, it's not like evo doesn't have other fire sources 19:02:17 Yeah I'd be fine with /coldball if not for the commonness of rN+rC 19:02:33 the effect type seems fine to me other than that (for a fairly common highlevel attack wand, I mean) 19:02:38 or we could replace /draining w/ /corrosion... 19:02:42 dang 19:02:51 that would be pretty epic 19:02:56 yeah 19:03:21 otoh /draining is pretty cool, and we could have /draining and /corrosion 19:03:25 but that's 19:03:30 lazorexplosion would be so pleased 19:03:33 away from the issue |amethyst brought up originally 19:03:41 which is lack of cold elemental attacks 19:04:09 it would clear the floor for iceball 19:04:21 oh 19:04:24 I guess it would 19:04:37 some weird algebra thing about transitivity! 19:04:55 Snorg says, "Math is hard!" 19:05:25 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:06:22 don't talk to me about snorg! 19:06:23 !lg causticsnape 19:06:24 1. CAUSTICSNAPE the Spear-Bearer (L12 VSSk of Makhleb), slain by Snorg on Lair:3 on 2016-01-25 17:08:28, with 21281 points after 15876 turns and 1:07:47. 19:06:38 !nick Lasty 19:06:38 Mapping lasty => (start>"2013-01-01") lasty 19:06:48 gammafunk: dieselrobin 19:06:51 hah 19:07:05 not on my watch tho 19:07:17 it's been a while since snorg has gotten me 19:07:19 -!- molotove has quit [Client Quit] 19:07:21 !lg . ikiller=snorg 19:07:22 No games for gammafunk (ikiller=snorg). 19:07:25 oh wow 19:07:36 !lg lasty ikiller~~snorg 19:07:37 No games for lasty (ikiller~~snorg). 19:07:39 !lg . ikiller=uniq 19:07:40 204. gammafunk the Caller (L7 MuSu of Sif Muna), slain by Pikel (a +2 whip of electrocution) on D:6 on 2016-01-26 22:27:48, with 609 points after 2492 turns and 0:14:54. 19:07:47 !lg . ikiller=uniq s=ikiller 19:07:48 204 games for gammafunk (ikiller=uniq): 29x Sigmund, 14x Ijyb, 13x Terence, 13x Grinder, 13x Blork the orc, 10x Pikel, 8x Joseph, 6x Crazy Yiuf, 6x Eustachio, 6x Jessica, 5x Menkaure, 5x Harold, 5x Grum, 5x Natasha, 5x Nessos, 5x Robin, 4x Agnes, 4x Aizul, 4x Edmund, 3x Mara, 3x Urug, 3x Duvessa, 3x Jorgrun, 3x Dowan, 2x Prince Ribbit, 2x Erolcha, 2x Azrael, 2x Josephine, 2x Maurice, 2x Nergalle, ... 19:08:04 !lg lasty ikiller=uniq s=ikiller o=% 19:08:05 46 games for lasty (ikiller=uniq): Blork the orc, Agnes, Wiglaf, Asterion, Crazy Yiuf, Gastronok the shard shrike, Prince Ribbit, Aizul, Nergalle, Polyphemus, Vashnia, Frederick, Edmund, 2x Pikel, 2x Duvessa, 2x Robin, 2x Fannar, 3x Menkaure, 4x Grinder, 4x Natasha, 4x Ijyb, 4x Terence, 6x Sigmund 19:08:42 !lg . ikiller=uniq s=ikiller o=% 19:08:44 204 games for gammafunk (ikiller=uniq): Psyche, Louise, Roxanne, Xom, Saint Roka, Gastronok, Sonja, Margery, Rupert, Erica, Boris, Vashnia, Nikola, 2x Fannar, 2x Ilsuiw, 2x Nergalle, 2x Maurice, 2x Josephine, 2x Azrael, 2x Erolcha, 2x Prince Ribbit, 3x Duvessa, 3x Dowan, 3x Jorgrun, 3x Urug, 3x Mara, 4x Edmund, 4x Aizul, 4x Agnes, 5x Harold, 5x Nessos, 5x Natasha, 5x Grum, 5x Robin, 5x Menkaure, 6... 19:08:45 early uniques w/ wands are my bane 19:09:02 Xom, lol 19:09:05 I like the uniq ki..yes 19:09:15 !lg . ikiller=Xim 19:09:16 No games for gammafunk (ikiller=Xim). 19:09:17 !lg . ikiller=Xom 19:09:18 1. gammafunk the Ducker (L2 FeCK of Xom), slain by an ufetubus (summoned by Xom) on D:1 on 2013-04-13 02:55:59, with 56 points after 794 turns and 0:02:26. 19:11:36 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:12:41 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 19:14:41 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:18:37 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:18:52 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:19:57 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:26:03 i'm still not an enormous fan of stuff you're carrying showing up in ctrl-f searches 19:27:13 -!- chewy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:38:29 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:40:02 i think it's nice for stuff you're carrying, but not stuff you're wearing 19:40:19 so that i can like C-f "enchant a" and count how many ?ea are in the game 19:40:21 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:41:03 yeah, i guess it's not terrible for that 19:41:22 but when i C-f hat i don't want to be reminded i'm wearing a hat 19:41:28 yeah 19:41:34 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 19:44:46 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:47:52 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:48:04 amalloy: how do you feel about being reminded about ashenzari's shattered altar 19:48:04 i want to be reminded where that sHATtered altar of ashenzari is, as usual 19:48:07 lmao 19:48:07 dang 19:48:18 every time... 19:48:22 "I hat that." 19:49:06 gammafunk: /corr would also be more usable by followers of good gods, for w/e that's worth 19:49:27 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:49:40 PleasingFungus: yeah, I worry about it being overly strong, but maybe you're more familiar with how the damage can be adjusted 19:50:18 corrosion is certainly pretty strong on monster, but I guess so is the HD loss; I'd just imagine them losing their AC (and damage?) would have a lot more impact 19:51:32 pretend that my previous sentence had excellent spelling, punctuation, and grammar 19:52:53 it had a semicolon in it, which argues strongly for it being excellent 19:53:22 ah, saved again by the clutch semicolon! 19:53:53 unlike in crawl, where finding a semicolon rarely saves you 19:56:14 -!- ontoclasm1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:56:50 corr vs monsters works kind of weirdly at present 19:57:03 it's a one-level thing, only affects monsters with body armour, and straight up halves their total ac, iirc? 19:57:05 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:15 !send gammafunk an enchanted semicolon 19:57:16 Sending an enchanted semicolon to gammafunk. 19:59:43 -!- randomperson has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:46 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:03:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:01 -!- molotove has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- ontoclasm has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- Zeor has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- Lasty has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- twzt has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- pythonsnake has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- panicbit has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- thrig has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- buki has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- yxhuvud has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- kunwon1 has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- phyphor has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- Kalma has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:01 -!- wmbt has quit [*.net *.split] 20:04:03 -!- Kalma_ is now known as Kalma 20:06:54 PleasingFungus: oh wow, only affects them if they have body armour? 20:07:00 That seems pretty odd 20:07:12 I specifically remember trying to get dispater to pick up a robe 20:07:19 in wizmode testing 20:07:20 I guess if the effect is "half ac" 20:07:40 because it'd be really funny if you could halve dispater's ac by tricking him into wearing a dress 20:07:44 hah 20:07:44 (and then spraying him with acid) 20:07:51 It's true that monsters tend to have a lot less AC 20:07:52 it didn't work out :( 20:08:12 @??hydra 20:08:12 hydra (09D) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 13 | HP: 60-83 | AC/EV: 0/5 | Dam: 18 per head | amphibious, cold-blooded, regen | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 976 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 20:08:29 !source monster.cc:3439 20:08:29 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/monster.cc#l3439 20:08:29 wear a dress and drop acid.. you sure you didnt confuse hell with disco pan? >.> 20:08:36 geekosaur: no comment 20:09:10 also I may be out of date wrt monster corrosion mechanics (can't currently see references to requiring body armour) 20:09:12 will test 20:09:56 are apis actually supposed to be both natural and holy 20:09:57 update: it does not currently require body armour. 20:10:00 FIQ: yes? 20:10:06 ah, just curious 20:10:07 why? 20:10:14 I thought holiness was mutually exclusive 20:10:23 (the different kinds I mean) 20:11:19 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:11:24 it was! 20:11:55 -!- fazizzz is now known as fazisi 20:12:03 why exactly are apis natural as well as holy 20:12:13 to allow shapeshifting? or because it's a yak? or what? 20:12:14 they're living beasts, which are also holy. 20:12:20 basically because it's a yak, ya. 20:12:23 ah 20:12:29 not mutually exclusive any more, no 20:12:40 I wonder how polymorph interacts with several holiness levels 20:12:57 if it means that you can polymorph a death yak into an api (as an example, I don't think this can happen due to HD) 20:13:01 and then into some holy monster 20:14:19 -!- panicbit has quit [Quit: panicbit] 20:14:25 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:14:35 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 20:14:48 -!- Naruni has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:54 PleasingFungus: I wonder if we could do with something that simply reduced AC and maybe dam a fixed amount? 20:15:04 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:15 that's maybe similar to some existing things, but it is more in line with the player side of things 20:15:23 probably 20:15:24 some existing monster debuff things 20:15:30 honestly you can do almost whatever you want with corrosion 20:15:34 *monster corrosion 20:15:35 it's an edge mechanic 20:15:37 go hog wild! 20:15:40 even....sparkles?! 20:15:59 and candy sprinkles! 20:16:36 is that how your hogs looks? 20:16:49 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1197-g8004e50: Remove beam.affect_items 10(28 seconds ago, 2 files, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8004e506a4bf 20:16:53 oops, typo in commit message 20:16:53 ruined... 20:16:54 -!- Naruni has quit [Client Quit] 20:17:01 sparkles is only when you corrode vampires <.< 20:17:02 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 20:17:09 Lasty1: they also have little capes 20:17:19 should have been 'add beam.affect_items and also item destruction' 20:17:31 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:18:22 gammafunk: http://www.mobygames.com/images/shots/l/556343-worms-armageddon-windows-screenshot-super-sheep.jpg? 20:18:30 -!- Lasty1 is now known as Lasty 20:18:48 looks like a penguin 20:19:01 but man, penguins are really cool so I'm ok with it 20:19:57 Lasty: another thing /corrossion would do is give monsters more corrossion attacks, since monsters with wands 20:20:00 probably for the better 20:20:11 gammafunk: true! 20:20:12 sold 20:21:02 Oh man, we could then move drain to that withered hand evoker that mumra made 20:22:07 %git :/[Ww]ithered [Hh]and 20:22:07 Could not find commit :/[Ww]ithered [Hh]and (git returned 128) 20:22:43 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:23:24 %git 3d98332f08c3adc3e88ba4bee51a706b57471d36 20:23:24 07mumra02 * 0.13-a0-1882-g3d98332: Add a new item Hand of Haunting 10(2 years, 8 months ago, 13 files, 109+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d98332f08c3 20:23:29 sorry it was Hand of Haunting 20:24:10 hey, this thing was different than I remembered 20:24:53 ugh corrode 20:25:26 ??hand of haunting 20:25:27 I don't have a page labeled hand_of_haunting in my learndb. 20:25:55 it never got merged 20:25:59 the details are in the commit message 20:27:23 wow 20:27:27 omnireflect for monsters is a mess 20:27:43 is omnireflect warlock's mirror? 20:27:46 yes 20:27:49 ah 20:27:58 so it actually works on them 20:28:03 not yet 20:29:41 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:31:19 the existence of hit_woke_orc makes me want to give up. 20:31:24 what the fuck. 20:32:21 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:32:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 20:39:51 with the addition of the amulet of magic regen, is maxwell's etheric cage worth using in comparison? 20:40:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:25 it seems like it's power creeped in terms of MP/turn due to the cage giving contam 20:41:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:41:30 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 20:45:26 -!- Grivan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:50:25 -!- eb has quit [] 20:53:13 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 20:53:27 @?? 20:53:27 Usage: @? 20:53:27 @ gives a plain English explanation of your character's status. @ (glyph) is the player character and a rather long list of human and demigod uniques: {Sigmund} {Edmund} {Erica} {Donald} {Eustachio} {Frances} {Frederick} {Harold} {Jessica} {Joseph} {Josephine} {Kirke} {Louise} {Margery} {Maud} {Maurice} {Nikola} {Norris} {Psyche} {Rupert} {Terence}. 20:53:32 @?? apis 20:53:32 apis (00Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 91-142 | AC/EV: 9/5 | Dam: 4008(holy) | natural, 08holy | Res: 06magic(100), 08holy | XP: 1349 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 20:55:02 -!- QuailChaser is now known as Menche 20:58:35 PleasingFungus: I hope there is such a function for every single monster in-game 20:58:50 hit_woke_sigmund 20:59:05 er, var 20:59:20 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:21 it;s some hack for beogh that belongs elsewhere 21:04:41 ...if crawl were designed instead of agglomerated... 21:08:22 (sigh. no, geek, you do not have time to rewrite crawl in haskell with a free monad so console/tiles/webtiles/??? become pluggable UIs...) 21:10:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: the existence isn't really what bothers me 21:11:18 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: so much as, why do enchantment and melee attacks that wake orcs cause conversion, but other forms of attack do not? 21:11:45 <|amethyst> or maybe they do and that's handled through a completely different mechanism? 21:13:15 <|amethyst> oh, I see, spells that do damage do the conversion bit regardless of whether they had been asleep 21:13:53 <|amethyst> do ranged attacks go through bolt::monster_post_hit ? 21:14:13 <|amethyst> and what about non-beam spells? 21:14:37 <|amethyst> seems like the kind of thing that should happen in monster::hurt maybe? 21:15:16 -!- chance672 has quit [Quit: Leaving my desktop..... laptop possibly?] 21:17:04 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:19:31 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:25:40 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:26:36 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:29:00 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:29:00 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:32:26 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:33:01 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:34:21 if I want to determine if two pointers to monsters are the same, can I do monster_a == monster_b? 21:34:27 Or do I have to compare monster IDs or something 21:37:37 -!- morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:39:24 -!- halberd has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:30 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:40:03 lua error running hook 'post_place' on map 'shoals_end_grunt_ice': dungeon.lua:583 failed to place map shoals_ilsuiw_ice 21:42:51 https://dobrazupa.org/saves/hyperborean-crawl-git-09327cff75-160130-0241.tar.bz2 21:43:53 lua error placing shoals_ilsuiw_ice 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10262 by Berder 21:44:00 and nobody's figured out a fix that isn't nightmarish in other ways 21:44:02 oh it lost the first line :/ 21:44:04 IIRC that's a problem that can happen on any rune branch end because they're all so "dense" 21:44:10 * geekosaur had network drop 21:44:17 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0/20160123151951]] 21:44:24 the level builder's kinda horrid 21:44:38 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:44:44 Lasty: iirc that should be fine? 21:44:46 probably 21:44:50 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Client Quit] 21:45:00 o.O 21:45:04 drive-by sporing >.> 21:45:26 . . . yeah, that was weird 21:45:32 I swear PleasingFungus was just here 21:45:55 -!- JustSteve has quit [Client Quit] 21:46:08 -!- halberd has left ##crawl-dev 21:46:42 <|amethyst> Lasty: if you know they're in the monster array you can just compare the pointers 21:46:56 <|amethyst> Lasty: if one of them might be a temporary copy, you cannot 21:47:17 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 21:47:25 <|amethyst> (unless you wanted to know "are they both the same copy of the same monster", in which case pointer comparison is exactly what you want) 21:47:25 -!- banksy is now known as banksy[Away] 21:47:36 <|amethyst> however, you should not save such a pointer for very long 21:47:39 Temporary copy as in clone, illusion, summon, etc.? Or if I know they're both placed on the map? 21:47:51 The context is that I have a monster, and I'm doing a "near this monster" iterator 21:48:03 and I want to exclude the monster whose position I'm using 21:48:10 <|amethyst> in that case pointer comparison is fine, but 21:48:13 <|amethyst> which iterator? 21:48:15 There's a bunch of ways I could do that, but I want to be correct 21:48:23 actor_near_iterator 21:49:00 found a wand of removedness 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10263 by IronJelly 21:49:43 unrelated: "You drop the cursed +1 scale mail of the Nine Curses {rN+}." 21:53:07 <|amethyst> Lasty: yeah, actor_near_iterator is fine 21:53:22 <|amethyst> by "temporary copy" I meant like monster mon = menv[i]; 21:53:25 ah, gotcha 21:54:09 <|amethyst> or something in a transit list 21:54:21 <|amethyst> which I guess is a bit more permanent than "temporary" 21:55:08 <|amethyst> but those shouldn't be in two places at the same time anyway 21:55:48 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:55 -!- West1C_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:56:56 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:06:42 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:15:02 heh, speaking of the non-mutually exclusive holiness and shapeshifting conversation earlier...... 22:15:19 i ran into some monster mibe ghost in swamp that had the plutonium sword 22:15:31 and apparently he died from the sword turning a thorn hunter into a death cob 22:16:27 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1049-gb404239: Add Ukayaw ***** ability: Grand Finale 10(36 minutes ago, 8 files, 167+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b40423986833 22:17:17 blerg, I accidentally folded some fixes to another power in there 22:17:18 oh well 22:18:00 you fixed it too! 22:24:41 fr rename ukayaw to just "U" 22:24:42 ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:24:43 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:24:45 !messages 22:24:46 (1/2) Lasty said (1d 15h 19m 22s ago): Yeah, I'd love U tiles. The altar is depicted as a wooden altar with a hide stretched across the top (a drum basically) with carved figures on the side. 22:24:48 !messages 22:24:48 (1/1) Lasty said (1d 15h 16m 59s ago): thanks! 22:27:20 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_drum#/media/File:TalkingDrum.jpg 22:27:32 <|amethyst> thats sideways from what Lasty said but 22:28:34 crawl_state.cant_cmd_repeat("You can't repeat power leap."); 22:28:41 mmm, copypasta 22:29:25 |amethyst: yeah, that's more or less the idea 22:29:33 geekosaur: yessir! 22:29:42 geekosaur: missed a message, eh? 22:30:02 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b40423986833#diff-28d3dcb0f7c47705cb63d9fd24beaec2R6815 22:30:15 got it 22:30:23 -!- ahriman has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:00 ought to be "No encores!" 22:31:26 lol 22:31:26 true 22:32:27 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:40:45 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:48:05 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1050-g7286702: fix a bad message (geekosaur) 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7286702d270e 22:48:05 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1051-g09e6001: Let Ukayaw worshippers train Invocations. 10(15 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/09e6001682ab 22:48:05 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1052-g78d2757: Add a period 10(14 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78d2757e2872 22:48:05 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1053-g37d72df: Tweak piety gain/loss rates. 10(14 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/37d72dfb29d3 22:48:05 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1054-g62445a3: Add god powers description. 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62445a3b64c4 22:48:52 -!- ahriman has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:52:08 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:09 The build is still failing. (combo_god - b404239 #4593 : Corin Buchanan-Howland): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/105825027 22:52:09 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:53:59 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 22:54:47 " Sadly (for me), the wand isn't usable, doesn't grant me any bizarre powers, and didn't break the game. " 22:54:51 -!- zeia has quit [Client Quit] 22:55:46 shame 22:55:58 ya 22:56:34 &dump IronJelly 22:56:35 http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.8/IronJelly/IronJelly.txt 22:56:39 what 22:56:42 !locate IronJelly 22:56:44 Failed to locate IronJelly. 22:56:51 oh 22:56:52 <|amethyst> !lg ironjelly 22:56:53 &dump JustSteve 22:56:53 32. IronJelly the Farming Skirmisher (L2 MuFi), slain by an ice dragon on D:1 (dpeg_entry_erosion) on 2011-05-23 03:19:54, with 28 points after 2500625 turns and 3:25:46. 22:56:54 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/JustSteve/JustSteve.txt 22:57:48 <|amethyst> %git 6f661db7 22:57:48 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-1194-g6f661db: Remove various wands 10(2 days ago, 35 files, 137+ 212-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f661db7440e 22:57:58 <|amethyst> 3638 | D:5 | Upgraded the game from 0.18-a0-1191-g373f77d to 0.18-a0-1196-g09327cf 22:58:01 <|amethyst> that's why 22:58:27 yep 22:58:50 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:00 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:05:50 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:07:44 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 23:08:20 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:04 johnstein, |amethyst: Either of you feel like putting up a Ukayaw experimental branch this weekend? :D 23:16:56 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:20:24 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1055-ga675dcc: Conjugation fix 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a675dcc4deeb 23:20:24 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1056-g1350c9a: Try to speed up piety accounting 10(7 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1350c9aa0200 23:20:24 03Lasty02 07[combo_god] * 0.18-a0-1057-gf2a8568: Rename Partner Pass to Line Pass 10(20 seconds ago, 7 files, 32+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f2a85689285c 23:20:57 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:22:01 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:26:42 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:26:42 The build is still failing. 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