00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:18 yeah, I know MPA liked the idea of having dig effect around, but not sure how he feels about disint 00:00:25 I mean we deffo want the cool "blow up" thing 00:00:35 in some accessible form 00:00:43 aside from learning an L7 spell, that is 00:00:47 imo leave them separate for the moment 00:00:47 I want both blowing up and multi-tile dig 00:00:50 yeah 00:00:51 until/unless we discuss this more 00:01:13 * gammafunk discusses a disc of discussion 00:15:15 03PleasingFungus02 07[wandtrim] * 0.18-a0-1183-gf7011e3: Re-add the wand of digging 10(35 seconds ago, 21 files, 45+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f7011e39497b 00:16:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:17:29 !send PleasingFungus a merge commit 00:17:30 Sending a merge commit to PleasingFungus. 00:17:40 a rebase, more like 00:17:43 -!- aditya has joined ##crawl-dev 00:17:46 oh, I get it. 00:17:49 rip me 00:17:57 rip 00:18:08 !send PleasingFungus a non-trivial merge 00:18:09 Sending a non-trivial merge to PleasingFungus. 00:19:28 <|amethyst> oh hey 00:19:28 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:19:40 ? 00:20:13 ? 00:20:28 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:30 ! 00:21:33 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:21:47 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:21:58 octopode merge? 00:22:35 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 00:24:00 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:24:58 <|amethys1> !tell wheals re PR#230, the one in level_place_followers looks necessary 00:24:58 |amethys1: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:25:04 -!- |amethys1 is now known as |amethyst 00:25:30 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 00:26:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:26:47 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:27:03 <|amethyst> !tell wheals the one in level_place_lost_monsters doesn't do anything AFAICT, but doesn't hurt either 00:27:03 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:28:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:25 <|amethyst> !tell wheals don't use the purple button though, you only want the last commit; and while you're at it, you could reduce scope with if (monster* new_mon = monster_by_mid(mon->mons.mid)) new_mon->apply... and maybe a comment that the m.erase depends on m_transit_list being a linked list and not a vector 00:30:26 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:36:20 <|amethyst> !tell wheals yeah, valgrind complains about "invalid read of size 4" on the mon->mons.mid in level_place_followers, 230 would fix that 00:36:21 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 00:37:03 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:36 <|amethyst> hm, there should be a test mode bot that follows yred or beogh and does various permutations of parking followers, recalling them, and visiting the levels they had been parked on 00:37:44 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: No route to host] 00:38:06 <|amethyst> I'm sure there are still bugs lurking there 00:38:21 <|amethyst> !lm * current crash s=noun 00:38:22 756 milestones for * (current crash): 440x ?, 31x ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 111: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook templates) (43), 20x ASSERT( valid) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed., 15x ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock wall at (6,16), 11x ASSERT(!cell is solid(ctarget)) in 'cloud.cc' at line 661 failed., 10x ERROR in 'mon-place.... 00:38:34 <|amethyst> !lm * current month crash s=noun 00:38:41 180 milestones for * (current month crash): 77x ?, 31x ERROR in 'spl-book.cc' at line 111: ASSERT failed: book of 44 out of range 0 (0) .. (int)ARRAYSZ(spellbook templates) (43), 12x ASSERT( valid) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed., 9x ASSERT(dests.size) in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 7472 failed., 8x ASSERT(!cell is solid(ctarget)) in 'cloud.cc' at line 661 failed., 6x ASSERT(shop) in 'shopping.cc' at li... 00:38:50 <|amethyst> !crashlog 00:38:51 12969. Hellmonk, XL15 HEMo, T:22740 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Hellmonk/crash-Hellmonk-20160128-040528.txt 00:38:53 <|amethyst> !crashlog -2 00:38:53 No milestones for -2 (crash). 00:39:00 <|amethyst> !crashlog * -2 00:39:00 12968/12969. TrueBeliever, XL16 DgCj, T:45516 (milestone): http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/trunk/TrueBeliever/crash-TrueBeliever-20160128-024622.txt 00:39:04 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:39:35 -!- hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:39:49 <|amethyst> TreeBeliever's crash is dismissal against a cleaving monster 00:39:57 <|amethyst> oh 00:40:00 <|amethyst> %git :/fineff 00:40:00 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1178-gd21d1ad: Use a fineff for the amulet of dismissal's effect 10(2 days ago, 5 files, 13+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d21d1ad51fe0 00:40:07 <|amethyst> fixed I'm sure 00:40:36 oh good, that happened 00:41:50 <|amethyst> it looks like Hellmonk's is an mprf happening (and triggering runrest::stop and thus viewwindow) when the game is in an inconsistent state 00:42:00 <|amethyst> specifically, in actor::end_constriction when the actor is moving 00:42:13 uh 00:42:18 about warlock's mirror 00:43:53 it appears that it will reflect enchantments any time that your block roll is non-zero 00:47:14 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:27 !tell PleasingFungus your code for reflecting enchantments makes it so that enchantments are reflected any time you roll non-zero for your block roll, even if the omnireflection chance failed 00:48:28 minmay: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 00:48:30 <|amethyst> hm 00:48:35 <|amethyst> hit is -1 00:48:41 nope it gets set to 0 00:48:46 <|amethyst> well 00:48:51 <|amethyst> I mean on entry to the function 00:48:53 <|amethyst> why isn't it AUTOMATIC_HIT? 00:49:01 <|amethyst> oh 00:49:20 yeah that was my reaction too 00:49:21 <|amethyst> that happens in zappy() which wouldn't be used for monster beams 00:53:05 -!- fazisi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:54:06 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:57:01 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:57 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:50 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1186-gd02dc51 (34) 01:04:59 <|amethyst> yeah, that fixes it 01:05:16 <|amethyst> I wonder if this explains any of the weird stuff about monsters targetting the wrong things with enchantments 01:05:33 <|amethyst> though I haven't seen those recently so I guess they were fixed and probably not 01:06:03 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1187-g9b90ff5: Mark monster-cast enchantments as AUTOMATIC_HIT (duvessa, PowerOfKaishin) 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9b90ff56ec8f 01:07:21 <|amethyst> err, I guess that's the wrong nick 01:07:48 <|amethyst> but I was looking at the tavern thread, so 01:08:03 <|amethyst> but thanks 01:09:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:10:41 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:10:42 The build passed. 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Use !messages to read them. 01:42:26 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it seems to, though there might be some weird cases that go through other code paths? 01:42:57 <|amethyst> at least, before that with 0 shield skill I was reflecting every cast from a lich spells:pain.200.wizard 01:43:13 oops 01:43:16 <|amethyst> and after that, I was reflecting only occasionally 01:43:59 <|amethyst> hm 01:44:14 <|amethyst> btw, can reflection reflect self-targetted things? 01:45:00 I know they're undodgable 01:45:04 I forget if they're blockable 01:45:17 ah, yeah, unblockable 01:45:21 see 3294 01:46:23 er, beam.cc:3294. 01:46:31 <|amethyst> ah, aimed_at_feat 01:48:08 <|amethyst> and auto_hit 01:48:37 <|amethyst> oh, I guess that means _spell_retribution is also not blockable 01:49:16 <|amethyst> (it sets aimed_at_feet but not auto_hit; the only other place that sets aimed_at_feet = true also sets auto_hit = true) 01:51:48 -!- Lasty_1 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:11 <|amethyst> hm, I think bolt::auto_hit is probably unnecessary 01:52:32 <|amethyst> though I am a little unsure of the implications of _undo_tracer resetting auto_hit but not aimed_at_feet 01:52:35 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:53:03 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 44.0/20160123151951]] 01:53:04 <|amethyst> (or, rather, what the implications would be of having it set aimed_at_feet) 01:54:31 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:52 -!- FireSight has quit [] 02:07:11 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:10:53 -!- FredrIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:18:26 -!- hurricos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:22:06 did the quality of the loot in the swamp worm vault go up significantly? 02:22:17 since swamp worms became able to leave the water 02:29:16 i doubt it 02:30:03 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:09 yeah the vault wasn't updated, so it did become more dangerous 02:31:15 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:03 -!- Snack_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:42:41 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:45:03 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:45:23 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:51:53 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:52:41 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:54:16 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:56:22 hm 02:56:40 i've found the shield of resistance and like the singing sword in there fairly recently 02:58:16 |amethyst: I wonder if this is the first case of a commit being credited to a crawl character 02:59:02 <|amethyst> %git :/(Cheibriados) 02:59:02 07|amethyst02 * 0.18-a0-378-g5f1ddaa: Begin data-ifying passive divine abilities [WIP] 10(9 weeks ago, 44 files, 716+ 374-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5f1ddaaadb31 02:59:07 <|amethyst> err 02:59:14 <|amethyst> %git 177158c 02:59:14 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-746-g177158c: Make Legendary Destruction use mons_spell_beam (Cheibriados). 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 1 file, 45+ 38-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/177158c937a3 02:59:46 chei being the first at something seems ironic 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:09 <|amethyst> not sure if that's the first, it's an awful lot of proper names to search for :) 03:02:31 -!- chukamok has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 03:02:57 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:03:51 minmay, heh 03:10:17 -!- KamiKatzt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:10:37 <|amethyst> %git :/(poop) 03:10:38 07dpeg02 * 0.5-a0-3118-gd7b0cd5: Improve rat nest vault (poop). 10(7 years ago, 1 file, 8+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d7b0cd55b98b 03:10:49 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:11:47 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1187-g9b90ff5 (34) 03:12:16 -!- ontoclasm1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:12:56 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:17:12 -!- Syoron has quit [Client Quit] 03:17:36 <|amethyst> hm, questionable case 03:17:41 <|amethyst> %git f278bc12 03:17:41 07Enne02 * 0.8.0-a0-2436-gf278bc1: Improved beards! (Thank you, Terence Reeves.) 10(5 years ago, 40 files, 56+ 36-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f278bc1286a4 03:18:25 <|amethyst> and arguably this counts as a crawl character: 03:18:30 <|amethyst> %git 4469633f 03:18:30 07greensnark02 * 0.8.0-a0-4247-g4469633: Fix ghosts not getting mids (casmith789's ghost). 10(5 years ago, 6 files, 16+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4469633ff52b 03:18:56 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:19:12 -!- mopl_away is now known as mopl 03:19:25 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19:27 -!- Naruni has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19:27 -!- causative_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19:27 -!- Lasty_1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:19:42 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:53 -!- Naruni has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:57 -!- FredrIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:20:52 -!- FredrIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:17 -!- FredrIQ is now known as Guest83269 03:21:29 -!- Guest83269 has quit [Changing host] 03:21:30 -!- Guest83269 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:21:51 -!- FIQ is now known as Guest69953 03:22:02 -!- Guest83269 is now known as FIQ 03:26:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:32:17 -!- fiq_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:32:50 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:33:14 -!- West1C has quit [] 03:35:31 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:37:19 -!- Suga_H has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:54:25 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 03:58:59 -!- causative__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:59:11 -!- zencephalon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:00:10 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:05:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Raz, XL21 SpAr, T:72256 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Raz/crash-Raz-20160128-104342.txt 05:56:25 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:38 looks familiar, probably handle_behaviour infinite loop, maybe there should be some extra (temporary?) asserts added there to catch that 06:05:30 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10:31 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:20:10 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:25:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:39:43 -!- Adder has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:41:12 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:43:03 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:44:34 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:53:35 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:54:54 -!- FIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:55:55 -!- FIQ has quit [Changing host] 06:55:55 -!- FIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:44 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:05:21 !tell ontoclasm Yeah, I'd love U tiles. The altar is depicted as a wooden altar with a hide stretched across the top (a drum basically) with carved figures on the side. 07:05:22 Lasty: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 07:07:48 !tell ontoclasm thanks! 07:07:48 Lasty: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 07:09:16 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:16:48 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:52 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:21:03 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:26 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:23:01 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 07:26:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:34:54 -!- mopl is now known as mopl_away 07:35:47 03Ahmad Hamidullah02 {wheals} 07* 0.18-a0-1188-gd34e0c6: make followers trigger traps (#9654) 10(11 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d34e0c6877cb 07:35:47 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1189-gc5e495a: Simplify and comment (|amethyst). 10(39 seconds ago, 2 files, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c5e495a36cca 07:47:55 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:51:23 -!- LMtx has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:07 -!- zeia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 08:06:24 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:26:20 if you could make digging wands only dig one tile with . like with projectiles, then digging and disint could be completely merged without losing any functions of the old wands 08:26:28 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:27:46 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:12 -!- kuniqs has quit [Client Quit] 08:41:17 -!- siepu__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41:59 @??-name 08:41:59 Kummareq 08:42:04 neat. 08:43:14 random names? 08:43:41 dpeg: gammafunk made a comment about Ukayaw probably coming from @??-name. I hadn't known that was a thing 08:43:59 It comes from "sayaw" being a word for dance in a language I don't recall offhand 08:44:22 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:45:55 dpeg: I got the **** power in last night. One more to go! 08:46:12 and then I can end-to-end test the god and make all the numbers reasonable-ish 08:47:18 is this the god whose piety fluctates a lot depending on tension/etc? 08:47:31 FIQ: yup! 08:47:32 kinda like how xom works in terms of whenever he is likely to act 08:47:32 well, not tension 08:47:41 but it fluctuates quickly in combat 08:47:50 Lasty_: yes, saw it and was happy :) 08:47:56 Increasing as you deal damage, decreasing as you take time 08:48:01 ok 08:48:16 what about summons? 08:48:18 tension is kind of terrible so I highly doubt you could build a god around it 08:48:20 summons normally don't affect piety 08:48:25 dpeg: it's gonna have to be hard to get to ****, because that wipes a group really, really fast 08:48:36 dpeg: it's also gonna need a really short timer 08:48:41 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:48:54 FIQ: lots of gods give piety for kills by summons 08:49:01 all gods do now don't they 08:49:16 Lasty_: huh? I thought none did? 08:49:20 FIQ: I'm pretty sure this god gives piety for any damage source you own, but that's something I'll be checking 08:49:23 FIQ: incorrect 08:49:27 several did before 08:49:28 ah, I see 08:49:30 kvaak: yeah, pretty sure 08:49:30 and I'm fairly sure all do now 08:49:39 all the killdudes gods anyway 08:49:45 maybe I just assumed they didn't 08:50:09 I know that powered by death and gozag is nonfunctional 08:50:16 The latter should be obvious 08:50:18 and makh heal-on-kill, IIRC 08:50:20 not sure about powered by death 08:50:30 Gozag is nonfunctional in what way? 08:50:30 (e.g. if it should or not) 08:50:36 Lasty_: no gold 08:50:40 are you sure about that? 08:50:46 yes 08:50:53 because I am worshipping gozag right now 08:51:03 If true, I'm pretty sure that's a bug; you shouldn't have a backdoor way to get corpses w/ G 08:51:06 and shadow fiends summon a billion monsters 08:51:16 uhh, no you're mis-understanding me 08:51:22 I said it *didn't* work 08:51:27 Which is fine 08:51:34 But I'm unsure about powered by death 08:51:46 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 08:51:51 I mean, if killdude gods get piety by summons 08:51:56 then IMO so should powered by death 08:51:58 I still don't understand -- if you're saying you don't get gold for killing summons, that's correct and intended. It'd be incredibly abusable otherwise 08:52:04 No god gives you rewards for killing summons 08:52:10 Lasty_: yes, exactly 08:52:21 Uh ... but you just said you got piety for summons? 08:52:25 kills by summons 08:52:27 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:52:38 ^ 08:52:38 Oh lol 08:52:38 I think we were talking past eachother 08:52:41 haha, communication :) 08:52:41 That's not what I meant 08:53:07 I was asking if maybe you should make piety gain be affected by killing summons 08:53:09 for that new god 08:53:11 gotcha. You raise a good point; I'm pretty sure this god -does- give piety for hurting summons. Maybe it shouldn't. 08:53:11 no god gives kills for summons because that'd mean infinite piety on a xl1 summoner 08:53:12 killing summoned monsters = no effect; kills by allied summons = full effect 08:53:15 if the piety is such that it fluctates 08:53:19 very quickly 08:53:31 you definitely get no long-term gain from it 08:53:54 Lasty_: yeah I figured it did 08:54:01 but I'm not sure if this is a bad idea 08:54:08 given that piety would be short-term 08:54:15 and just a help during that combat 08:54:26 yeah, me neither 08:54:37 I'll probably leave it as-is for now and see how it plays out 08:55:01 this god is going to be very strong against summoners in general, unless they get exempted from the **** too 08:55:05 if you haven't been in combat for a while and run into dangerous dudes does the god do nothing 08:55:06 in the same way I was wondering whether or not powered-by-death should be affected by killing summons, but I don't think so 08:55:25 it kind of makes sense (since it gives no long-term benefit), but that mut is already powerful as-is 08:55:33 so probably not 08:56:14 Lasty_: one potential issue with your god I can see 08:56:26 the fact that piety quickly decays 08:56:40 kvaak: not exactly -- it does nothing unless you build piety while fighting the dangerous dudes 08:56:45 would encourage people to go "farm" piety by searching out monsters to hurt 08:57:02 to prepare for a harder enemy (e.g. pan lord hell lord, etc) 08:57:06 with max piety 08:57:10 which could be tedious 08:57:18 kvaak: your piety never decays below * once you get to that level, so you always have access to the * power 08:57:26 oh 08:57:29 that sounds better 08:57:48 kvaak: it's not great against single targets, but at high invo it's a decent option. 08:58:23 Are the powers passive buffs or active abilities? 08:58:31 FIQ: piety should decay fast enough that it's very hard to carry piety from one fight to another unless they butt up against one another 08:59:04 FIQ: there are no passive buffs; *, **, and ***** are active, and *** and **** are triggered events 08:59:11 ok 08:59:34 could you rest while reaching **** briefly 08:59:38 to re-activate the power 08:59:42 er 08:59:45 *event 08:59:59 you cannot expect to fool Lasty that easily 09:00:01 FIQ: no, I anticipated that 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:09 heh :P 09:00:19 you can only trigger it so often 09:02:52 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:03:35 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:03:47 shouldn't dragonskin cloak check rSteam too 09:04:15 does it check rSticky? 09:04:25 yes 09:04:29 heh, dang 09:04:31 I suppose so then 09:04:49 unless rSteam is redundant w/ rF? 09:05:29 think it is 09:05:42 oh, right 09:05:51 %git :/rSteam 09:05:52 07kilobyte02 * 0.12-a0-1543-gb370d7f: Fix rF not granting rSteam while suppressed. 10(3 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b370d7fcd3db 09:06:59 it does check rSticky 09:10:45 it doesn't check rCorr though 09:11:09 I guess there are only acid draconians, no dragons 09:11:24 fr draconianskin cloak 09:11:38 it's supposed to b e draconininininian afaik 09:12:09 fr: saffron dragons that spit acid 09:12:21 tripping dragons 09:12:38 like all other dragons, it has to start w/ an S 09:12:55 Stoned dragon? 09:13:22 that works 09:13:26 !source player.cc:1386 09:13:26 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.cc#l1386 09:13:36 draconic 09:14:12 ??dragon_name_reform 09:14:12 dragon name reform[1/1]: mottled dragon->sticky dragon; quicksilver dragon->silverquick dragon; fire dragon->scorching dragon; ice dragon->shiver dragon; pearl dragon->sacred dragon; iron dragon->steel dragon; golden dragon->shiny dragon; bone dragon->skeletal dragon; Xtahua->Stahua 09:14:49 yeah, supposed to be dragon resistances of course 09:15:00 Lasty_: what is this madness?! 09:15:07 ?? sda 09:15:08 sda[1/1]: see {steam dragon armour}, {swamp dragon armour}, {storm dragon armour} or {shadow dragon armour} 09:15:11 ^ 09:15:26 but Stahua? 09:15:33 ah 09:15:56 should be sxtahua :( 09:16:04 1learn edit 09:16:24 sexytahua 09:16:51 he's hot and he knows it 09:17:25 @??xtahua 09:17:25 Xtahua (05D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 110-153 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 35, 1709(claw), 2007(trample) | 04breaks doors, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 3781 | Sp: searing breath (3d38) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 09:17:29 a +0 scorching dragon armour {Sexytahua} 09:17:54 wow is it actually called searing breath 09:18:13 @?? fire dragon 09:18:13 fire dragon (04D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 73-106 | AC/EV: 10/8 | Dam: 20, 13, 1307(trample) | fly | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 03poison, 12drown | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1074 | Sp: fire breath (3d24) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 09:18:14 ... huh. 09:18:21 @?? red draconian 09:18:21 red draconian (04d) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 80-115 | AC/EV: 9/10 | Dam: 20 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire | XP: 1232 | Sp: searing breath (3d18) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 09:18:33 I guess searing breath is fire breath + conjure flame 09:18:36 a +0 scorching dragon armour {Sexytahua, Ch+9} 09:18:55 hahaha 09:27:26 -!- halv has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:28:27 Potion of Slowing 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10258 by Clownie 09:30:24 &dump Clownie 09:30:25 http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Clownie/Clownie.txt 09:34:28 oh, alphashop places that 09:35:14 removed in 0.14... 09:35:28 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:39:12 is there going to be 0.17.2? could fix for that 09:44:59 i'd like there to be one since dazzling spray still crashes on 0.17.1 :/ 09:48:36 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:00 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest80290 09:49:37 -!- Guest80290 is now known as debo__ 09:51:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:25 -!- LMtx has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:58:37 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:59:37 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:51 "(or hold * for 3 seconds, release, and then press T if playing online with certain web browsers)" ...good wiki 10:05:26 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:12:08 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:17 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:16:01 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:18:27 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:24:14 -!- West1C has quit [] 10:26:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:24 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:31:22 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:44 -!- lukano has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:39:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:40:24 <|amethyst> grated community still tries to place a book of wizardry 10:41:16 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:42:28 pop quiz: what size has the hardest time escaping from a net 10:42:51 wheals: . . . small? Can Tiny creatures wiggle through holes or something? 10:43:06 the correct answer is: fuck if i know 10:43:51 !source monster::struggle_against_net 10:43:52 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc#l2359 10:43:54 behold 10:44:47 it says // Smaller monsters can escape more quickly. 10:44:50 -!- lukano has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44:58 but it claims large and bigger always destroy it right away 10:45:42 // Faster monsters can damage the net more often per 10:45:42 // time period. 10:45:46 this looks fishy 10:45:48 <|amethyst> but the code says if (mon_size < random2(SIZE_BIG)) 10:45:58 <|amethyst> so it's big and above, not large and above 10:47:09 haha 10:47:21 Why should smaller creatures escape more quickly? 10:47:26 wow, "struggles to escape the net." and "struggles against the net." mean different things 10:47:28 who knew 10:47:37 wheals: you just made me sad 10:47:59 don't forget the check for can_cut_meat 10:48:06 hahaha 10:48:13 I hope that's set to "return true; 10:48:14 !source can_cut_meat 10:48:15 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc#l2352 10:49:26 <|amethyst> I am also suspicious of that speed check 10:49:37 <|amethyst> since struggle_against_net is called from _post_monster_move 10:50:38 i guess slow monsters get screwed over twice 10:51:05 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:51:26 -!- luukano has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:54:50 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59:45 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12:30 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:14:51 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:16:34 Ye carve tha t'ngu rea'er like a turkey!!! 11:16:38 is this a new one 11:16:43 <|amethyst> relatively 11:16:46 <|amethyst> %git :/insult 11:16:47 07bh02 * 0.16-a0-3387-gab0613d: Insult Fixup 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 6+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab0613d6d496 11:16:55 <|amethyst> %git :/insult teng 11:16:55 Could not find commit :/insult teng (git returned 128) 11:16:59 <|amethyst> %git :/Insult teng 11:16:59 07|amethyst02 * 0.16-a0-3488-g27d3978: Insult tengu monsters. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 5+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/27d397853cfd 11:17:40 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1190-gc7a99f0: Replace mons_near(). 10(5 minutes ago, 20 files, 110+ 108-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7a99f0a3035 11:17:40 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1191-g373f77d: Replace its with something's (#10247). 10(33 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/373f77d41999 11:19:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:19:57 <|amethyst> wheals: 373f77d causes problems in a few (maybe only rare) cases 11:20:08 <|amethyst> hm 11:20:11 <|amethyst> maybe not 11:21:17 something something "Something somethings something's something." 11:21:28 -!- halv|2 has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 11:21:55 <|amethyst> the cases I was worried about either 1. special case "its own" or 2. don't give a message for invisible things 11:22:53 -!- xnavy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:22:56 <|amethyst> (and all involve self-hits) 11:23:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:17 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:58 -!- Almacia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:04 <|amethyst> wheals: I'm not sure about the first change in mon_enemies_around 11:31:27 <|amethyst> wheals: does that reduce the likelihood of your hounds/shadow imps attacking invis creatures you can't see? 11:32:05 <|amethyst> oh 11:32:13 i think it would matter only for invisible allies, ie mons is the monster having its ai done 11:32:26 <|amethyst> oh, right 11:32:36 and those don't exist, you always can see them 11:33:05 still, it might make more sense for that to be mons->can_see(you) or even back to you.can_see(mons->pos()) 11:33:26 the way that ai depends so heavily on whether it's in los is... understandable, but strange 11:33:37 <|amethyst> though it actually seems not to affect attacking or anything 11:34:48 <|amethyst> mon_enemies_around is used for: mushroom shyness, willingness to magic out of a net, willingness to cast at all, willingness to pick up items (which doesn't matter for allies anyway) 11:35:20 <|amethyst> I guess willingness to cast is important 11:35:31 <|amethyst> but it doesn't affect target acquisition or anything like that 11:36:17 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:45 <|amethyst> there is some mild weirdness... you can be in a situation where your mushroom won't move, but if you take one step to put glass between the mushroom and you, it will be willing to move even though monsters haven't moved 11:38:22 <|amethyst> but that falls under the general "way that ai depends so heavily on whether it's in los" 11:38:37 <|amethyst> (and that behaviour didn't change or anything) 11:39:14 <|amethyst> oh, wait, this is *just* can_see so LOS_DEFAULT 11:39:34 <|amethyst> so it would have to be an opaque wall, in which case you don't really even see the weirdness 11:39:56 anyway, in general mushroom willingness should _probably_ rely on whether it can see something else, not vice versa 11:40:05 unless this is a ravenous bugblatter mushroom 11:40:41 <|amethyst> that does "leak" info to the player 11:40:51 <|amethyst> they can use their mushrooms as advance warning of approaching monsters 11:42:20 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:46:41 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:51:43 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 11:52:57 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 11:59:47 -!- Lathuz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:40 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:01:21 apparently if you have all (enough?) skills high enough ru won't offer sac hand at all 12:01:36 since it's worth too much piety 12:01:39 <|amethyst> yeah 12:01:59 <|amethyst> I was calculating that a week or two ago 12:02:58 -!- megand has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:03:17 <|amethyst> !apt shields 12:03:17 Shields: Mi: 2!, Fo: 2!, Gr: 1, Ha: 1, HO: 1, DD: 1, Hu: 0, Dr: 0, Fe: N/A, Mf: 0, Op: 0, Te: 0, Dg: -1, Og: -1, Gh: -1, HE: -1, VS: -1, Ds: -1, Vp: -1, Na: -2, Ko: -2, DE: -2, Mu: -2, Tr: -2, Sp: -3*, Ce: -3* 12:03:48 <|amethyst> as a spriggan or centaur with Shields at full and no weapon skills, sac hand will take you from 0 to full piety 12:04:18 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:04:33 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:05:27 <|amethyst> if you have on top of that any appreciable skill in pla/sta/bows (spriggans) or bows (centaurs) you won't be offered it 12:06:19 <|amethyst> it's apparently willing to go up to 179 piety but no higher unless there really 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since depending on who you ask Filipino can mean Tagalog, or the Manila dialect of Tagalog, or the Tagalog-with-loanwords used in the larger cities, or ... 14:42:48 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:42:51 Chichewa, I think 14:43:32 I'm afraid I don't know anything about the linguistic or geographical relationships between tagalog and chichewa 14:49:05 -!- TZer0 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 14:49:07 -!- inre is now known as inire 14:49:19 -!- TZer0 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:52:39 -!- gareppa has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:53:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:56:15 -!- Menche has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:45 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:16 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:34 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:16 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:06:09 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:24:05 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:32:06 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1192-g7589f66: Add and use a mon_inv_iterator. 10(3 hours ago, 13 files, 132+ 135-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7589f66b1e5f 15:32:44 unfortunately it works like the crawl ones, not one you can use with for (const item_def& : ...) 15:33:02 this also means there's no const version really 15:34:22 still pretty sweet 15:37:17 Lacertilians have tail-slap attacks, but nothing indicates that they should 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10259 by Grisamentum 15:39:11 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:42:32 they're lizards, what did you think 15:44:12 they should have a tail slap attack, you should lose it if you use your one-time escape ability that breaks your tail gives you a cblink 15:44:28 s/,/, but/ 15:45:23 -!- twzt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 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(master - 7589f66 #4582 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/105512382 16:06:09 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:11:01 depends on the species actually. some only can regrow it once and the regrowth is less capable than the original. some get to do it twice. very few get unlimited functional regrowt 16:12:21 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:12:48 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:06 geekosaur: clearly we randomize what type of tail mutations lacertilians get, then 16:13:50 actually, if you're going for ??realism then they regrow a non-slapping tail 16:14:59 (this is actually an area of heavy research because they're looking for clues to how to regenerate organs in mammals. so far the big take-home is that larger and more complex organisms essentially never have regeneration) 16:19:58 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:20:10 oh that wasn't built in nondebug 16:20:55 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1193-gb7aa92a: Fix debug compilation (travis). 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b7aa92a74dda 16:22:21 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:11 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:26:57 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:27 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:32 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:28:44 whatever happened to lacertilians 16:29:30 Real Life(tm) makes OoFs look tame 16:36:09 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:37:54 MarvinPA: What's your take on a change where necromutation becomes more of a toggle, where you enter the form and won't leave it until you do so voluntarily, taking something like Torment or Drain when doing so 16:38:10 Possibly with a change to the spell's level to L7 16:38:54 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 16:39:41 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:04 You can certainly flavor why necromut should be different than other forms in this regard, but I can see how having one form behave according to this case might be a bad precedent (if we're not going to change any other forms in this regard) 16:40:45 s/according to this case/in this fashion/ 16:41:13 ??hell_effect 16:41:13 hell effect ~ hell effects[1/2]: Every ~40 turns in Hell proper, something scary happens. 1-5 random monsters are created. 15/27 chance of a random miscast effect (like Zot traps); else 4/27 chance of an appropriate greater demon. 16:41:19 ??hell_effects[2 16:41:19 hell effects[2/2]: http://i.imgur.com/CNJ9U.gif 16:43:41 hrm, is that first entry accurate 16:44:36 gammafunk: i like the idea, but doesn't a permanent form encourage preparing for a branch by casting it many times it at low success rates, as long as you can cope with the miscast effects? 16:45:06 amalloy: sure, but this is already something you can do 16:45:27 but it's fairly short duration at 30, and currently you have to re-up it many times throughout pan 16:45:38 meaning you're often low on MP, if you fail often, while in a dangerous area 16:46:14 "at 30", i meant like at a 30% fail rate 16:46:34 Well 30% is a reasonable percent to use the spell 16:46:46 but yeah even at 50-66% it would be potentially useful 16:46:50 right 16:46:54 perhaps the miscast effect is too severe there though 16:46:59 not sure what that will do to you 16:47:02 I don't get that image' 16:47:06 s relevance to hell effects 16:47:13 well it would be a sif buff 16:47:17 miscast protection OP 16:47:28 or maybe a sif nerf 16:47:47 I mean, in an absolute sense it's a nothing buff 16:48:02 since necromute isn't terribly useful during the portions of the game that are truly difficult 16:48:25 I'm just speaking in terms of Actual Balance (tm) 16:48:45 well if you argue that necromut doesn't matter at all so you can change it in any direction, i think that's not useful 16:49:04 focus on the part of the game where it's actually used, and consider balance in that context 16:49:30 I don't think "sif buff" or really any kind of "foo nerf" is super relevant in that context 16:49:51 I think it's more a question of what kind of degenerate behaviour it might encourage though 16:50:06 like what you raised before; you can sit there and recast, which is pretty silly as a primary way to use something 16:50:09 right 16:51:21 I'm just not sure that it would be that bad, since you either 1) are worship a god that is designed around allowing this or 2) suffer miscast effects 16:51:30 which miscast effects are designed for 16:51:34 would make it pretty significantly better in silly zig situations, for as much as that is a thing that matters 16:51:58 hrm, you think it would be better in zigs? 16:52:05 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:52:06 but i think probably even out of zig, having to recast it (in combat) so it doesn't expire is still a noticeable thing 16:52:21 I guess it's just "you have to use 8mp now" 16:52:29 yeah the mp cost is definitely relevant 16:53:00 the form tradeoffs are pretty easy to mitigate by dropping form, but there are tradeoffs to that, and then you have 8mp to spend again if you want to get it back (in combat) 16:53:26 also drain and torment are very different proposed costs for cancelling 16:53:46 yeah, I was thinking it would be Ru Apocolypse levels of drain 16:53:57 but even then that's still true that they're very different 16:54:01 right 16:54:08 my thought was torment would be best 16:54:08 if the cost is drain, then you can cancel to quaff potions 16:54:25 (or something like drain) 16:55:24 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:55:57 there are lots of people who'd like to stay in dragon form and statue form for the most part, as well, and I'm not sure that making necromute the only one with this 'fix' is the best idea 16:58:32 it seems pretty definitely not a good idea for lower level transmutations, so either way it'd still be sort of strange to just have it apply to a certain set of forms 16:59:27 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:59:30 yeah, like charms, there's not a simple way to fix the "I'm tired of recasting this spell" issue 16:59:30 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Quit: Excess flood] 16:59:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:38 !remove spells 17:01:39 03amalloy * 0.18-a0-1539-g3e09689: Remove spells 10(in the future, 28 files, 552+ 428-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3e09689 17:01:59 finally! 17:02:00 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:02:02 could there be a spell that would extend a form's duration? 17:02:08 am only just reading through this 17:02:14 ama's fix would solve a lot though 17:02:44 well recasting a form already extends it 17:02:51 tru 17:03:01 that existed and it was bad 17:03:03 ah ok 17:03:12 %git bddcff135 17:03:12 07MarvinPA02 * 0.8.0-a0-5498-gbddcff1: Remove Extension 10(4 years, 11 months ago, 7 files, 11+ 205-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bddcff13544a 17:03:16 -!- noppa354 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:03:31 ??extension 17:03:32 extension ~ tension[1/3]: dangerousness of everything in LOS, checks # of monsters, monster experience value, monster hp (almost-dead monsters are of little threat), monster enchantments (confusion, haste, berserk, might, etc.), player current hp, whether you're in the abyss (*3/2 tension) 17:03:57 since if it's lower-level than the spell you're extending, then you can just extend without risking miscasts or spending as much mp 17:04:00 oh, not underpowered-bad 17:04:08 just a bad idea overall 17:04:08 design-bad 17:04:09 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:13 right 17:04:25 I was thinking you meant underpowered and was wondering "is it really that bad" 17:04:47 at one point you could cast necromut, unmemorise it, and then extend it forever at 5mp a go! 17:05:26 ha yeah that's too easy 17:05:54 (and people did, gosh old crawl was weird) 17:05:54 lol nice 17:06:10 but while it had things in player's favour 17:06:14 it also had things against it 17:06:16 I guess 17:06:22 *players' 17:07:12 oh you could also get lichformed by a card while worshipping a good god, and then use extension to keep extending it without any penance/excommunication 17:07:23 ha 17:07:51 hrm, wonder if you could use that to wield holy wrath as a lich 17:08:09 i think it would fall away when you entered the form still 17:08:15 ah, no fun 17:08:40 oh hmm unless you actually blessed your weapon while worshipping tso already as a lich 17:09:02 oh actually that wouldn't work either because you had to pray at the altar to bless back then, and you get rejected from good god altars when in lichform :( 17:12:29 Heh 17:14:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:15:50 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:18:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:21:13 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 17:26:15 -!- NeremWorld has quit [] 17:26:46 -!- zeeratt has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:29:03 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:39:08 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:41:33 -!- Guest69953 has quit [Quit: Lämnar] 17:41:59 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 17:43:37 <|amethyst> @??decayed bog body 17:43:37 decayed bog body (03n) | Spd: 10 (swim: 140%) | HD: 3 | HP: 16-23 | AC/EV: 1/9 | Dam: 25, 412(cold:3-8) | 07undead, 10doors, amphibious, evil, spellcaster, unbreathing, 07vault | Res: 06magic(40), 05fire, 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 50 | Sp: throw frost (3d5), slow | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:43:43 <|amethyst> @??mummy 17:43:43 mummy (15M) | Spd: 6 | HD: 3 | HP: 16-23 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 17 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:44:43 <|amethyst> @??scorpion 17:44:43 scorpion (08s) | Spd: 10 | HD: 4 | HP: 16-21 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1008(poison:8-16) | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 69 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 17:45:00 <|amethyst> ah 17:45:22 <|amethyst> was wondering about the XP yields of various ossuaries, but I guess bog bodies aren't that bad 17:45:24 !tell PleasingFungus How come you removed the wand of frost rather than the wand of flame? Doesn't that leave attack wands with no way to deal cold damage? 17:45:25 Lightli: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 17:47:51 <|amethyst> and cold is also missing from the other evokers 17:47:59 <|amethyst> s/other // 17:57:37 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:57:46 lasty: i'd be very surprised if a sub-saharan language had any direct connection with a filipino (tagalog or otherwise), but plausibly it could be a loanword? 17:58:21 lightli: (a) wand of flame leaves ar with better tools to deal with early-d undead (and those aren't slow anymore!), (b) fun interaction with electric eels, steam, etc 17:58:39 that being said, I've been considering switching out wand of draining for wand of cold 17:58:51 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:58:55 mostly because there are *so many* vaults that really really want a cold-aligned wand... 17:59:10 clearly the solution is to make a wand of cold draining 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:16 -!- emeraldemon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00:32 wand of rainbows 18:01:11 my vague concerns there are (a) I feel like a wand of cold would very clearly be the Best Damage Wand, whereas wand of draining is *generally* better than fireball/lightning but still somewhat situational (b) more work 18:02:49 yeah 18:03:06 That's my own deep follow-up analysis to your statements: yeah 18:03:20 8) 18:03:30 -!- eb has quit [] 18:03:38 I like the idea of lighting/drain/fball more than I like "wands have cold damage" 18:04:13 pretty sure a certain someone will be sad about my vault manglings, when and as that someone checks the logs (idk if they still are) 18:04:23 but such is life in the zone 18:04:53 ??bolt of draining 18:04:53 bolt of draining[1/1]: L5 conj/necro spell in the {book of Death}. To-hit: 8+power/20. 18:05:17 what a bizarre and specific thing to list 18:05:18 what do we got in this new system, flame, disint on the lower level of damage 18:05:35 frost and mdart are gone 18:05:48 I'd put random effects above flame and maybe on-par with disint 18:05:50 disint probably does more damage than I think it does 18:05:51 but I'm a gambler 18:06:05 disint does a remarkable amount of damage early on 18:06:05 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:06:25 well it's also a wand that might to negative damage to monsters 18:06:26 @??great orb of eyes hd:1 18:06:26 great orb of eyes (09G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 4-7 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 20 | see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 03poison, 12drown | XP: 2 | Sp: paralyse [06!sil], disintegrate (d31) [06!sil], drain magic [06!sil], confuse [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 18:06:42 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1193-gb7aa92a (34) 18:07:05 but disint is pretty strong yeah 18:07:38 !source item_def::zap 18:07:38 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/items.cc#l3230 18:07:52 random effects can't actually heal monsters 18:08:03 I mean haste/invis 18:08:07 pfft 18:08:11 <|amethyst> WebFungus: Not sure how well removed_items handles wands, but probably you'd want to add things there 18:08:19 !source removed_items 18:08:19 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc#l684 18:08:26 <|amethyst> that should at least handle the \ screen 18:08:42 right 18:08:52 yeah, I always forget about the \ screen 18:09:16 -!- Starbucks has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:09:32 <|amethyst> WebFungus: re cold wands my suggestion would be frost instead of flame 18:09:44 <|amethyst> just so there's something even if low tier 18:09:52 <|amethyst> and because flame and fireball already have element overlap 18:09:58 not sure how much that actually solves 18:10:05 besides a vague desire for elemental symmetry 18:10:13 it is true that disint is usable on undead, as is random effects as are the higher tier wands 18:11:06 and the steam thing is only really good versus electric eels; you can still use your fball wand on them for that 18:11:19 who uses fball on eels.... 18:11:20 symmetry was my initial reasoning (I was going to do that at first) but I don't think it's as good a choice for a basic wand - c.f. my reasoning just after entering 18:11:27 lots of people use fbal on eeels 18:11:31 that's fucked up!!! 18:11:34 maybe the spell 18:11:39 huh? 18:11:45 but fball has like 18:11:46 2 charges 18:11:47 max 18:11:53 and? 18:12:00 there's more than 2 eels in lair!! 18:12:18 this is uh some interesting reasoning 18:12:27 idk 18:12:48 like, flame is not an essential game item in general, but 18:12:51 I can't think of any reason why you'd say "I'm not going to fball this eel because this wand may only have 4 charges" 18:12:54 I'm still not sold that frost is moreso 18:13:06 the undead thing is significant 18:13:47 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 18:14:17 the thing about frost is on what monsters in particular is it very interesting 18:14:33 I mean, even without flame, ar still wouldn't be the worst class for dealing with early undead. (that's vm) 18:14:35 and other than the fact that it is broadly useful (like how flame is) 18:14:43 I can't think of any in the earlier portions of the game 18:14:53 also, ice beasts 18:15:14 like, you can use flame on ice beasts? not like you have to? but you can, if you want. 18:15:29 well sure it's a good use for flame, and I definitely do it 18:15:32 i may just start adding 'also, ice beasts' to my conversation 18:15:34 yeah I'm talkig more about what monsters frost is useful for 18:15:49 I know, sorry, I was getting side-tracked 18:15:56 /fire is nice in swamp for thorn hunters 18:16:04 but there's fball for that 18:17:11 I understand the argument for symmetry with elemental effects even regardless of how symmetric the uses actually are (as in we could adjust monsters to make the elemental attacks more balanced in terms of utility) 18:17:31 but flame would be a better wand to have if we want those early wands to be useful 18:17:52 and assuming we don't want to go changing around monster resistances 18:18:07 I mean there are crimson imps, but those are more solidly in the 'annoyance' category 18:18:41 fire elementals are rare and fire bats may not exist soon (and are not in the early game) 18:18:54 what if, as undead are resistant to cold, living monsters became resistant to fire? it makes sense. fire is life-giving! 18:19:11 everyone likes a toasty blaze, for roasting marshmallows on. 18:19:24 <|amethyst> what about coldball instead of fireball? 18:19:34 <|amethyst> then it doesn't overlap spells either :) 18:19:38 |amethyst: need a way to burn trees 18:19:43 <|amethyst> lightning does 18:19:45 we NEED it 18:19:48 true 18:19:58 <|amethyst> and fireball for burning trees is extremely nonobvious anyway 18:20:08 |amethyst: well so is lightning 18:20:09 <|amethyst> since the splash won't do it, you have to manually target the tree 18:20:13 that one's always been bizarre, yeah 18:20:26 I agree the tree burning aspect of the targetting was uniquely weird 18:20:29 <|amethyst> lightning will do it accidentally 18:20:30 for fball 18:20:31 I remember getting tripped up by it way way back when I first started playing 18:20:38 <|amethyst> unless you are targetting with . every time 18:20:51 <|amethyst> so it's discoverable at least 18:20:55 you can also disint trees 18:21:00 so there's that, at least 18:21:15 the /iceball idea is pretty cute 18:21:27 rename it ice storm 18:21:28 |amethyst: I think one problem though is the overlap 18:21:32 snowball 18:21:41 things that resist /drain resist /coldball 18:21:49 yeah 18:21:57 most of the time, at least 18:22:11 s/overlap/overlap of the resists/ 18:22:15 exceptions: crimson imps, brimstone fiends 18:22:21 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 18:22:30 that's all I got. 18:22:31 WebFungus: seems a perfectly granular range 18:22:37 :P 18:22:45 covering quite a few monster types and threat levels 18:23:27 hrm 18:23:47 yeah I see what you mean 18:23:59 cold is just a bad element to attack with in general (which is why throw icicle is a thing at lv4) 18:24:18 hrm 18:24:21 I mean, I wouldn't say that 18:24:49 wand of cold is a very strong wand! it's just strong and weak in ways that are very similar to draining 18:25:00 I mean compared to fire or lightning 18:25:06 <|amethyst> vampire bats, ghost crabs, abominations, mosquitoes, scarabs, pghosts, flayed ghosts, shadow wraiths 18:25:18 flayed ghost (05W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 49-74 | AC/EV: 0/14 | Dam: 30 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 710 | Sp: flay [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:25:18 %??flayed ghost 18:25:25 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25:29 huh 18:25:30 that's really weird 18:25:32 huh, I thought all ghosts were rC+ by default 18:25:33 those guys really are just fragile as heck 18:25:35 <|amethyst> IMO fewer undead should have MR_RES_COLD but I guess that's orthogonal 18:25:43 <|amethyst> to wand changes 18:25:44 ghosts *were* rc+ but I think that was changed at some point 18:25:52 yeah if that were the case-that fewer did-life would be easier 18:26:17 maybe only one of zombies and skeletons should get rC+? 18:26:23 I think it's not that there aren't some exceptions it's just that there are so many that have rc+rn 18:26:31 yeah it's a combo deal 18:26:36 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:41 although not as crazy as rN+rPois 18:26:46 <|amethyst> WebFungus: I was also thinking, do we need all three of confusion, paralysis, enslavement? 18:26:55 in which case I think the exceptions consist of anubis guards and Antaeus 18:27:03 <|amethyst> oh, and slowing 18:27:20 slowing is certainly useful, but tends to be among the first that people get rid of 18:27:37 because the others exist 18:27:39 <|amethyst> @??ufetubus 18:27:40 ufetubus (115) | Spd: 15 | HD: 1 | HP: 6-8 | AC/EV: 2/15 | Dam: 5, 5 | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy | Res: 06magic(10), 02cold, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 8 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:27:56 <|amethyst> @??orange demon 18:27:56 orange demon (044) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 45-59 | AC/EV: 3/7 | Dam: 15(reach), 804(weakness | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 414 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:28:09 we probably don't need those, no. I'm not sure how much getting rid of any of those would actually do for inventory clutter, but I'm tossing frost and mdarts, so the bar's low 18:28:32 <|amethyst> @??sixfirhy 18:28:32 sixfirhy (124) | Spd: 40 (move: 60%) | HD: 7 | HP: 33-47 | AC/EV: 2/20 | Dam: 1511(elec:7-9) | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 504 | Sz: little | Int: human. 18:28:55 <|amethyst> @??chaos spawn 18:28:55 chaos spawn (003) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 26-39 | AC/EV: 7/12 | Dam: 2109(chaos) | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 182 | Sz: Big | Int: animal. 18:28:59 yeah it wouldn't really do much, para and enslave are the stronger effects, so I tend to keep those more often 18:29:12 <|amethyst> @??hell beast 18:29:12 hell beast (072) | Spd: 15 | HD: 7 | HP: 71-98 | AC/EV: 5/14 | Dam: 28, 2007(trample) | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, unholy | Res: 06magic(20), 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 970 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 18:29:27 confuse is more common, and is nice versus neil spiders 18:29:52 kind of in general in lair branches I guess, although especially spider 18:30:01 @??merfolk_impaler 18:30:01 merfolk impaler (08m) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%; atk: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 65-88 | AC/EV: 3/18 | Dam: 25 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, amphibious | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 1078 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:30:05 @??orb_spider 18:30:05 orb spider (06s) | Spd: 12 (spell: 200%) | HD: 7 | HP: 36-49 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 5 | web sense | Res: 06magic(40) | Vul: 09poison | XP: 587 | Sp: o.destruction (9d9) [06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 18:30:07 <|amethyst> @??nelly 18:30:07 unknown monster: "nelly" 18:30:08 I'd think it'd be weak in snake 18:30:09 <|amethyst> @??nellie 18:30:09 Nellie (13Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 183-285 | AC/EV: 13/10 | Dam: 4507(trample), 20, 15 | 05demonic, unholy | Res: 06magic(140), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3401 | Sp: fire breath (3d40) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], blink [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 18:30:27 yeah 18:30:30 @??naga_warrior 18:30:30 |amethyst: you probably don't need to list every demon without rc :P 18:30:30 naga warrior (02N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 10 | HP: 81-119 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 28, 603(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(80), 03poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 978 | Sp: spit poison (d16) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 18:30:37 @??naga 18:30:38 naga (03N) | Spd: 10 (move: 140%) | HD: 5 | HP: 23-33 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 17, 303(constrict) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40), 03poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 161 | Sp: spit poison (d10) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 18:30:39 <|amethyst> WebFungus: rP actually 18:30:42 o 18:30:55 I can't remember if there's a 1 without 18:30:57 wow that's more than expected in regards to demons and rP 18:31:05 I remembered that there was at least one of each other tier 18:31:05 <|amethyst> @??geryon 18:31:05 Geryon (03&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 246-354 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 35(reach) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 4452 | Sp: sum.hell beast | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 18:31:10 <|amethyst> I think that's all of them 18:31:23 wow, I can curare geryon? 18:31:27 clearly need a Doesn't Resist Poison Fiend 18:31:41 gammafunk: stop him from blowing that horn! 18:31:52 just slowing him would be cool 18:31:53 lol @ rdrown there 18:32:47 <|amethyst> The helpless Geryon fails to defend himself. 18:32:47 <|amethyst> The curare-tipped needle hits Geryon in a vulnerable spot. 18:32:47 <|amethyst> Geryon is poisoned. Geryon convulses. Geryon seems to slow down. 18:32:52 <|amethyst> seems to work 18:33:07 he's a pain to kill with summons sometimes 18:33:16 <|amethyst> the rdrown isn't from breathless, it's from size 18:33:21 ahh 18:33:22 also probably hard to hit with curare, but not at first 18:34:25 Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 22535 | Sp: fire storm (8d16 / 8d17) [06!sil], iron shot (3d36) [06!sil], haste [06!sil], sum.greater demon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 18:34:25 %??cerebov 18:34:47 I like how rdrown doesn't actually stop drowning 18:34:57 at least in magma 18:35:04 obviously that would be rMagma 18:35:06 please try to keep up 18:35:39 <|amethyst> BTW, if we take rC away from more monster undead, we could take it away from player undead too 18:35:57 <|amethyst> does that count as anti-power-creep? 18:36:07 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:36:25 <|amethyst> mummies can keep it because bandages keep them warm 18:36:40 have you seen what cold does to a body 18:36:44 they should be weak to it if anything 18:36:52 \joke 18:37:06 <|amethyst> oh, I also have a message bug 18:37:10 <|amethyst> to report 18:37:15 impossible 18:37:16 <|amethyst> "Your flesh is cold resistant." 18:37:20 <|amethyst> do I have that? 18:37:22 <|amethyst> as a mummy 18:37:24 <|amethyst> flesh, that is 18:37:41 canonically, they do not have noses. 18:37:44 I can't say any more. 18:37:56 <|amethyst> we should make air bladders canonical 18:38:21 !source has_flesh 18:38:23 Can't find has_flesh. 18:38:29 <|amethyst> oh right 18:38:33 <|amethyst> they do have some flesh 18:38:37 there's a funny comment about that 18:38:38 <|amethyst> @??mummy 18:38:38 mummy (15M) | Spd: 6 | HD: 3 | HP: 16-23 | AC/EV: 3/6 | Dam: 20 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 17 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:38:41 <|amethyst> hmm 18:38:44 <|amethyst> no, rrot+++ 18:39:08 <|amethyst> AFAIK the only difference between + and +++ is that +++ means you don't have impure flesh for Zin to slough off 18:39:12 <|amethyst> s/AFAIK/IIRC/ 18:39:12 air bladders are already canonical, as long as you believe 18:39:20 <|amethyst> @??ghoul 18:39:20 ghoul (05n) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 120-172 | AC/EV: 4/10 | Dam: 30, 30 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1549 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 18:39:22 AFAIK works too... 18:39:46 IIRC AFAIK doesn't work but IANAL 18:40:48 I was going to say that for a cold effect 18:41:00 maybe we could change stone of tremors, but that's not really going to work 18:41:30 there are no ice elementals 18:41:47 <|amethyst> could add ice elementals 18:41:48 what we need is a thing to make an ice statue 18:41:51 <|amethyst> but I would change the phial 18:42:07 |amethyst: the water creation effect is cool, though 18:42:19 well, and the engulf thing (if that really works) 18:42:27 <|amethyst> hm, I guess that's true 18:42:37 <|amethyst> there's not much player water magic otherwise 18:42:54 <|amethyst> water resistance does need some attention though 18:42:56 yeah; the push back and the damage flavor work just as well with ice, but it's true there's not much other 'water magic' 18:43:28 hrm, I wonder how cool a 'make statue' evocable would be 18:43:44 but that's really in the opposite direction of 'evocable consolidation' 18:44:15 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:44:18 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:44:53 it wouldn't scale terribly well in that there are only three statue types, for one, and changing their hd doesn't do much for most 18:45:02 alas we made curse skulls mobile again! 18:45:20 <|amethyst> well, you could also make vault statues 18:45:24 oh, true 18:45:26 <|amethyst> e.g. a statue with IOOD 18:45:30 that's kind of cool really 18:45:37 maybe a neat god idea if not evocable 18:45:44 <|amethyst> or maybe a game mode 18:45:47 you could have fun with statue types 18:45:48 noooooooo 18:45:52 <|amethyst> :) 18:46:12 <|amethyst> if it is an evocable, it should be the trowel of something 18:46:16 yes 18:46:21 |amethyst: don't we already have a statue with IOOD? conjurer statue? 18:46:32 yeah, it's a vault define 18:46:32 <|amethyst> amalloy: that's what I meant by "vault statues" 18:46:43 you can give those statues any spell you like 18:46:50 there's one that's just got arrows or something? 18:46:52 @??statue 18:46:52 statue (158) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 8 | HP: 61-84 | AC/EV: 12/1 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, master archer, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 575 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 18:47:00 they have master archer flag 18:47:10 what will it take for stone of tremors to be worthwhile 18:47:12 @?? archer statue 18:47:12 archer statue (158) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 8 | HP: 59-84 | AC/EV: 12/1 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, master archer, unbreathing, 07vault | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 574 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 18:47:18 Lightli: vault wardens 18:47:23 (it blows up sealed doors) 18:47:33 <|amethyst> @??spec:artcher statue 18:47:33 unknown monster: "artcher statue" 18:47:37 <|amethyst> @??spec:archer statue 18:47:37 archer statue: statue tile:mons_statue_archer name:archer name_adjective; longbow . arrow q:30 18:47:43 woah 18:47:44 <|amethyst> @??spec:conjurer statue 18:47:44 conjurer statue: statue hd:12 spells:orb_of_destruction.62.magical tile:mons_statue_mage col:vehumet name:conjurer n_adj 18:47:55 @??spec:lunar statue 18:47:55 lunar statue: orange crystal statue name:lunar_statue n_rpl n_des spells:brain_feed.24.magical;draining_gaze.24.magical;lehudib's_crystal_spear.24.magical;shadow_creatures.48.magical col:lightmagenta tile:mons_zot_statue 18:47:57 dang 18:48:02 secret tech 18:48:42 oh didn't those have more hd 18:49:15 guess not 18:49:36 @??statue tile:mons_statue_mage 18:49:36 statue (158) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 8 | HP: 61-84 | AC/EV: 12/1 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, master archer, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 575 | Sz: Large | Int: human. 18:49:38 @??statue tile:mons_statue_magexx 18:49:39 bad tile name: "mons_statue_magexx". 18:50:41 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:51:07 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51:15 gammafunk: isn't the god of making statues called 'fedhas' 18:51:47 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:52:11 <|amethyst> make this a god that doesn't accept worship from the living 18:52:30 WebFungus: I'm not sure what you mean, is it problematic that kiku and yred both exist 18:52:40 I'm not sketching a god design or anything 18:52:53 Just saying that in a limited form, it coudl be cool 18:53:04 for the same reason fedhas' ability to make oklobs is cool 18:53:26 |amethyst: finally, the beogh of gargoyles... 18:53:49 except player gargoyles are alive-ish? except yred doesn't think so... 18:54:29 You're confused now? Just wait until I code up my anti-matter golem species 18:54:31 gammafunk: idk, what you were suggesting sounded a lot closer to F than K and Y are to each-other, but it's all hypothetical right now anyway 18:54:32 <|amethyst> they are MH_NONLIVING 18:54:50 <|amethyst> ebering did not make them MH_NATURAL | MH_NONLIVING 18:54:54 <|amethyst> had to check that 18:55:33 WebFungus: I think a god as a whole is what you consider more than a single ability; if the god's focus was making statues...well it'd probably be just a bad god 18:55:47 -!- pop_ has quit [Client Quit] 18:55:56 but if it had a statue making ability I wouldn't think it too similar to oklobs, especially given how oklobs are costed 18:55:57 ah, ok! 18:56:07 I assumed you were talking about the former, the statue-making god 18:56:12 god of statuary 18:56:25 That's ridiculous. God of stationary, sure...but 18:56:33 use /disint? PENANCE 18:56:35 <|amethyst> statues are stationaries, yes 18:56:52 but what of their PENMANSHIP 18:56:57 Insatulor says, "The pen is mightier than the sword." 18:57:20 gammafunk: that would be a god of stationery, is |amethyst's point 18:57:24 <|amethyst> probably bad, perhaps you want the 18:57:29 <|amethyst> yeah, what amalloy said 18:58:11 I was making a joke about stationary as in the thing you write on so 18:58:26 since I'm confused, I'll just claim that only my joke worked 18:59:10 <|amethyst> spelling 18:59:36 <|amethyst> though I wasn't sure if it was intentional or not, because statues 18:59:48 oh, yeah unintentional 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:07:52 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:09:24 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:13:57 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:14:27 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19:11 -!- West1C has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:30:05 -!- Vizer has quit [Client Quit] 19:33:17 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:42:40 -!- onwiheg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:54:05 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:54:18 -!- lukano has quit [Quit: leaving] 19:55:01 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:59:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 19:59:49 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:12 -!- West1C_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:00:50 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:02:46 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:05:53 -!- DaneiFIVE has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:05:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:07:34 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1194-g6f661db: Remove various wands 10(21 hours ago, 35 files, 137+ 212-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f661db7440e 20:07:58 oh 20:07:58 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:08:00 fuck 20:08:13 I should've made the commit message "prevent ijyb from spawning with a wand of fire" 20:08:44 !send PleasingFungus git-rebase 20:08:45 Sending git-rebase to PleasingFungus. 20:08:57 I am NOT force-pushing to master 20:08:59 again 20:09:00 right now 20:09:24 it also doesn't have the ally synergy that the other buff 20:09:26 also check out the formatting in the first paragraph (I didn't bother to reflow it after taking out the bits about dig/disint) 20:09:27 wands have 20:09:29 what is this nonsense 20:09:32 give bonus ev to all the allies 20:09:38 does anyone actually do this 20:10:06 excluding korean beoghites how often do people zap hw or haste on allies 20:10:20 I've seen people haste allies 20:10:33 i've seen people haste servitors 20:10:39 even hw, though I can't say that was good play 20:10:41 sure! 20:10:43 i zapped /hw at a profane servitor under yred 20:10:50 not a good play, on reflection 20:10:55 rip 20:11:22 <|amethyst> oh, was it wearing the warlock's mirror? 20:11:43 boooo 20:11:58 <|amethyst> PF is just upset he couldn't make it work for monsters 20:12:10 s/couldn't/didn't even try to/ 20:12:27 this is just my opinion, but work has always sounded like an awful lot of work. 20:12:34 <|amethyst> dammit, I was trying to motivate you to prove me wrong by implementing it :) 20:12:45 lol 20:12:46 I don't think it'd even be that much work 20:12:51 unless you wanted to refactor it to be good code 20:14:09 !learn add PleasingFungus I don't think it'd even be that much work unless you wanted to refactor it to be good code 20:14:09 pleasingfungus[26/26]: I don't think it'd even be that much work unless you wanted to refactor it to be good code 20:14:19 ??pleasingfungus[-2 20:14:19 pleasingfungus[25/26]: I did mention this was a bad idea 20:14:24 sounds like me 20:14:31 r??pleasingfungus 20:14:31 pleasingfungus[26/26]: I don't think it'd even be that much work unless you wanted to refactor it to be good code 20:14:34 lol 20:14:36 r pls 20:14:38 r??pleasingfungus 20:14:39 pleasingfungus[20/26]: torment is extremely pleasing. 20:14:53 r??amalloy 20:14:53 amalloy[4/5]: crawl is like air. without it, i would die 20:15:10 oh yeah, i remember someone was questioning my devotion 20:15:24 Crawl: *****. 20:21:08 !shrig 20:21:16 oops 20:21:21 -!- randomperson has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:22:04 !shrike 20:24:38 -!- DaneiFIVE is now known as DaneiSIX 20:26:01 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:26:42 FR shrugging shrike 20:33:40 what would people think about adding distinctive tier 1 damage wands now 20:33:45 or is that still bad b/c inventory blight 20:35:19 -!- gammafunk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38:20 DrKe: I wouldn't mind replacing Lightning Bolt or Fireball or Bolt of Draining with something distinctive 20:39:05 replace draining with another noisy wand 20:39:16 we can't have damaging wands that don't draw half the floor to you can we 20:39:32 wand of necromutation 20:39:37 kvaak: wand of shouting 20:40:35 -!- unmovable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:35 -!- unmovable has quit [Changing host] 20:40:35 -!- unmovable has joined ##crawl-dev 20:40:37 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:43:42 -!- unmovable has left ##crawl-dev 20:50:25 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:52:23 looking at that changelog 20:52:46 I just noticed that wands of enslavement have 0% probability if player sacrificed love 20:52:47 why? 20:52:59 you don't stop generating naga bardings if the player isn't a naga 20:53:05 and monsters can still use it 20:53:30 <|amethyst> that's _acquirement_wand_subtype 20:53:41 <|amethyst> humans don't acquire naga bardings 20:54:14 oh, yes it is 20:54:29 apparently I can't read 20:54:30 sorry 20:55:07 -!- zeia has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 20:55:07 (also, IMO I'd remove darts/flame and keep frost, so you have frost and fireball) 20:55:58 there was a long discussion on that theme mere hours ago 20:56:07 <|amethyst> I mentioned that, but there's a lot more rC early than rF 20:56:08 i don't know how it ended, but surely the backlog will enlighten you 20:56:09 sorry 20:57:46 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:59:23 -!- molotove has quit [Client Quit] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:12 what happens with removed items for save transfer? 21:00:17 they just disappear? 21:00:32 <|amethyst> they turn into wands of removedness 21:01:12 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 21:01:18 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 21:01:18 -!- tupper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:22 <|amethyst> and say "Sorry, this wand was removed!" (without wasting a turn) if you zap them 21:02:11 "What more do you wand from us?" 21:02:51 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:03:05 -!- molotove has quit [Client Quit] 21:08:46 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:10:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:02 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:11:18 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:11:48 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 21:12:19 But wands of removedness make a ton of noise when you zap them 21:16:27 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:17:40 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:18:47 wands of gong? 21:18:48 GONNNNG! 21:18:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1195-g77a4f03: Simplify and make permanent the removed wand checks. 10(12 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77a4f03486c2 21:19:44 <|amethyst> hm 21:19:50 <|amethyst> re wield_change 21:20:02 ah, good catch wrt removed items 21:20:16 <|amethyst> is there any reason not to just compute the text each time you would draw... 21:20:20 <|amethyst> oh right, GUI 21:20:49 <|amethyst> and I suppose there could be many many updates in one turn 21:21:12 fr wand of flash freezing 21:21:30 if for no other reason than i don't have to think of an alternate cycle for the elemental shop 21:21:33 <|amethyst> nicolae-: it could be the smite targetted wand 21:22:01 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:22:23 makes sense to me 21:22:48 |amethyst: honestly i doubt it would be all that bad to recompute it each time 21:23:07 (and not redraw if necessary of course to prevent flickering 21:23:10 ) 21:23:14 <|amethyst> wheals: well, one problem is "each time what?" 21:23:35 <|amethyst> oh 21:23:40 <|amethyst> I guess each time it currently checks 21:24:30 well, whenever it calls print_stats 21:24:31 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:24:38 this might be more complicated in tiles though 21:25:01 or webtiles, don't know if that uses some kind of push notification 21:29:20 <|amethyst> the flags (wield_change etc) get used to set another flag m_need_redraw which tiles (and webtiles) then checks later 21:29:56 <|amethyst> we should really have a listener framework for this stuff 21:30:34 -!- noppa354 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:31:17 patterned code? in my crawl? 21:31:59 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 21:32:12 uh oh, here comes the opportunity to splat to spidertomb 21:33:30 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:34 <|amethyst> !send wheals AbstractVisitorCommandIteratorFactoryAdapters 21:33:34 Sending AbstractVisitorCommandIteratorFactoryAdapters to wheals. 21:35:53 just deleted the 'wandtrim' branch 21:35:54 ironic 21:40:47 -!- zwisch_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:41:26 just out of curiosity how long is 0.18 expected to be in development 21:42:20 %git 0.17.0 21:42:20 07gammafunk02 * 0.17.0: Update the debian changelog for 0.17 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d28015d53230 21:42:23 %git 0.16.0 21:42:23 07gammafunk02 * 0.16.0: Final changelog for 0.16 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82265720bc8b 21:42:25 %git 0.15.0 21:42:25 07Grunt02 * 0.15.0: Ham-fistedly rename strings.{cc,h} to stringutil.{cc,h}. 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 153 files, 684+ 684-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/69783ea0505b 21:42:27 %git 0.14.0 21:42:27 07Grunt02 * 0.14.0: Touch changelog with release date. 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/319925deedf8 21:42:52 so at least a month or two 21:42:53 5-8 months i guess 21:42:58 nicolae-: it needs to stay in development a little while longer, because I got a fuckload to do 21:43:23 noted 21:43:29 what sorts of things, lasty 21:43:45 ??plan 21:43:45 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 21:44:01 ah, ambitious 21:44:05 1 god, 1 ranged reform . . . 21:44:13 that gives me some breathing room for doing vault stuff 21:48:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:50:26 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:53:20 -!- mizu_no__ has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:58:57 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:59:48 -!- simmarine has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:59 -!- noppa354_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:04:13 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:06:06 PleasingFungus: no Slow/Confuse wand removal? 22:06:16 not yet 22:07:34 what sort of cool new wands will replace the old ones 22:09:03 elemental evokers, box of beasts, sack of spiders, iron rod, etc 22:09:58 neat 22:10:06 wand of spiders. wand of beasts. 22:10:10 sorry 22:10:12 I was being snarky 22:10:16 no i got what you meant 22:10:22 heh 22:10:27 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:10:40 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 22:10:42 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:14:21 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:16:16 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:20:37 -!- Morphy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:22:05 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 22:27:31 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:35:11 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:42:49 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51:55 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 22:52:16 !tell gammafunk sa crawl thread is in revolt against sif muna; 'too boring' 22:52:17 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 22:56:34 PleasingFungus: he'll comment on it when he has more energy 22:56:36 aa aa aa aa 22:58:39 nice... 22:59:17 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:02:16 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:02:56 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 23:05:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:05:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:21:42 -!- zeia has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 23:27:23 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:30:16 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:34:01 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:34:13 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:44:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:54:42 -!- Isvaffel has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]