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Unlike true random numbers, pseudo-random numbers are generated out of spite, in order to make you cry. 03:29:08 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:34:27 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:34:50 -!- West1C has quit [] 03:34:53 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:41:32 wouldn't happen if crawl used a *true*-random number generator 03:42:14 which are generated out of xom 03:46:40 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:51:09 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:42 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:50 -!- causative_ has left ##crawl-dev 04:02:32 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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06:09:10 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:15:13 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:15:49 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:16:03 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:22:54 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:25:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 06:28:15 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:32:33 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 06:33:31 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:38:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:41:58 so does anyone know why the dev team is discussing cutting a good chunk of the good wands 06:42:56 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:44:20 ??plan 06:44:21 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 06:44:40 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:47:48 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:48:27 hm this is a rather curious order to do stuff 06:49:30 gifting weapons makes stuff drop what they hold, wields what you gifted, proc distortion if relevant, *then* proc unwield effect for the player, and then do the follower pickup routine again 06:49:34 so it's done twice :D 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:05:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:16:19 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:31 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:21:54 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:25:51 -!- njorth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:27:32 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:31:03 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 07:36:24 -!- LMtx has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:53:46 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:09:58 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: 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09:35:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:36:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:38:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:56:41 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:37 -!- Harudoku` has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:59:16 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:41 <|amethyst> hm, if I manually bind the key (it is unbound by default in local tiles), | mostly works 10:01:47 <|amethyst> |w and |h do not work 10:02:14 <|amethyst> in local tiles 10:02:41 ring of flight -> amulet? 10:02:46 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:13 it would appear consistent with ring/ammy changes 10:03:41 <|amethyst> I'd figure ring of flight -> removed would be more consistent 10:03:44 just removing the ring would also be consistent with recent changes, yeah 10:03:56 that sounds OK too 10:04:10 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:04:28 but I mean if you keep evocable flight then it belongs on an amulet like rage 10:04:29 <|amethyst> the difference being that boots of flying are supported by fewer races than cloaks of invisibility 10:05:07 amulet of permaflight? 10:05:38 <|amethyst> but then permaflight could go onto a ring 10:06:16 replacing evocable flight with permaflight sounds okay generally, i guess 10:06:26 in terms of making there be one less distinct type of flight 10:06:26 I am not sure flight is ever needed in a 3 rune game, but in extended perhaps in hell..? 10:06:36 <|amethyst> and reducing the frequency 10:07:01 mainy geh and coc 7 10:07:04 mainly * 10:07:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:59 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: hm, doesn't evocable flight work more or less like L5 tengu flight? 10:09:17 <|amethyst> other than the possibility of removing the item while it's up? 10:09:40 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:10:09 no bonus ev 10:10:25 <|amethyst> does the bonus ev actually come from the Tengu ability? 10:10:30 no 10:10:39 any source of flight works 10:10:47 <|amethyst> so that's not a difference :) 10:11:06 not one you notice on Te usually unless you quaff ID a pot of flight or something 10:11:19 I think the flight duration/success chance also scales with XL 10:11:33 <|amethyst> right, the method of activation differs a bit 10:11:36 <|amethyst> costs too 10:12:20 <|amethyst> but once you're flying I think it's the same as temp flight as far as mechanics go 10:12:48 <|amethyst> since MarvinPA said "distinct type" and not "distinct source" 10:13:07 <|amethyst> that's how I interpreted it 10:16:37 oh yeah, true 10:29:00 -!- West1C has quit [] 10:35:50 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:36:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1172-ge779571: Simplify some ability piety costs 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 4+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e779571568f5 10:36:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1173-g28dac84: Decrease the durations and piety costs of Okawaru invocations 10(7 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/28dac848baa7 10:36:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1174-g586b9f0: Fix "Pain" ability flag on weapon blessings 10(83 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/586b9f0964c4 10:36:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1175-g4a2f17d: Add a canned message when aborting god weapon brands 10(81 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a2f17d33dd0 10:36:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1176-gc95c9f1: Adjust a weapon blessing message for consistency 10(78 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c95c9f12e263 10:36:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1177-geb0150c: Allow distortion weapons to banish already-abyssed targets deeper 10(78 minutes ago, 9 files, 38+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb0150c4f07a 10:36:43 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1178-gd21d1ad: Use a fineff for the amulet of dismissal's effect 10(4 minutes ago, 5 files, 13+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d21d1ad51fe0 10:37:22 if we actually wanted to eliminate temporary flight I don't think that removing temporary tengu flight is unreasonable (could give tengu permaflight at a lower XL if we wanted to compensate) 10:37:41 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:08 <|amethyst> not temporary flight entirely, but the non-extensible kind 10:39:04 yeah, i think for a relatively unimportant effect there are just a whole lot of different types of flight 10:39:05 <|amethyst> but yeah 10:39:30 (and that's even with levitation/cfly long gone!) 10:40:04 plus players would think shoals more dangerous which is always a plus 10:40:47 <|amethyst> hm 10:40:52 If we eliminate ring of flight, would it be worth either 1) adjusting Cocytus:7 to be pathable w/o flight, or 2) make deep water normally passable in some painful way? 10:41:27 <|amethyst> !lm * recent rune=barnacled / status~~flying 10:41:33 4037/14357 milestones for * (recent rune=barnacled): N=4037/14357 (28.12%) 10:41:36 <|amethyst> !lg * recent shoals / status~~flying 10:41:37 924/4378 games for * (recent shoals): N=924/4378 (21.11%) 10:41:41 that gets rid of drowning deaths 10:41:54 which is... good 10:42:03 <|amethyst> well, there's still drowning in lava 10:42:24 I am not sure you live long enough to die from inhaling the lava 10:42:27 fr: lava lom lobom 10:42:40 <|amethyst> I would object to any solution that says "oh, humans can walk though lava, it's just really slow to do" 10:42:55 <|amethyst> which I have heard suggested 10:43:03 you just need a lava suit! 10:43:38 or we could make early tengu flight like !flight 10:44:19 i.e., uncancellable 10:45:07 <|amethyst> I think that would be problematic 10:45:12 <|amethyst> because it's effectively unlimited 10:45:20 <|amethyst> but you have to reactivate it frequently 10:45:47 <|amethyst> then again, I guess that's not really worse than the current situation 10:45:52 why not early permaflight and later, speed+ev bonuses? 10:46:39 hm, if i screwed up a manual merge resolution, how do i get rerere to forget about it? will just "git rerere forget" just do it for the thing i just resolved? 10:46:45 lose the early swiftness aspect to get away from enemies though 10:46:54 wow i typed "just" too many times 10:47:56 MarvinPA: I think it was justified 10:47:56 dpeg: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:48:13 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: you have to specify a filename too, but I think that will work 10:48:41 aha, thanks 10:48:44 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: then you can checkout -m the file to get the conflict markers back 10:52:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:52:22 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:52:26 -!- bgiannan has joined ##crawl-dev 10:58:50 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:52 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:35 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:18:36 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:19:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:20:55 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:25:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:27:37 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:30:52 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:33:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:36:07 -!- Starbucks has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:46:08 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 11:49:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:50:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:13 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:51:55 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:04:25 -!- mopl is now known as mopl_away 12:04:41 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:05:56 -!- parabolic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:31 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:14 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07:15 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07:15 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:07:56 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:10:06 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1179-g120c792: Bind | by default in local tiles. 10(4 minutes ago, 2 files, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/120c79253391 12:11:30 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 12:12:19 <|amethyst> besides the thing mentioned there (|w and |h not working in local tiles), 12:12:33 <|amethyst> perhaps 'w' and 'h' should turn on the monsters layer 12:13:22 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:49 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:19:01 -!- parabolic is now known as elliptic 12:21:50 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:22 10:40:04 plus players would think shoals more dangerous which is always a plus <- players *already* think shoals is the most dangerous s branch, and avoid it... 12:22:53 that is why I said it 12:23:12 I don't understand your reasoning at all. 12:23:14 it promotes the idea that the devs are out to get them 12:23:26 I'm rolling my eyes in your direction. 12:23:29 quick, someone catch them! 12:23:40 MarvinPA: is the oka change to encourage training invo under oka? there's no reasoning in the commit 12:23:43 and I don't remember you discussing it 12:23:56 I fart in your general direction! 12:24:10 f*cked up... 12:24:43 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1178-gd21d1ad (34) 12:25:15 it does mention that in the commit i think? but yeah, partly to encourage that since the durations were pretty much just really high regardless of your invocations level 12:25:57 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:48 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:26:53 -!- WildSam has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:26:56 commit message reads, in full: For both Heroism and Finesse, decrease their durations fairly substantially, while lowering the piety cost and increasing the cap on duration for those with high invocations skill. 12:27:41 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:27:48 <|amethyst> !lg * recent shoals s=ktyp 12:27:49 4378 games for * (recent shoals): 2099x mon, 1743x beam, 298x water, 83x pois, 82x quitting, 19x barbs, 16x being thrown, 15x cloud, 6x collision, 6x spore, 4x targeting, 3x disintegration, something, wild magic, rotting, acid 12:27:55 -!- spccrow has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:28:01 <|amethyst> !lg * recent shoals ktyp=mon s=killer 12:28:02 2099 games for * (recent shoals ktyp=mon): 381x a merfolk impaler, 321x a merfolk, 188x a tentacle, 161x an alligator snapping turtle, 151x a harpy, 140x a snapping turtle, 97x a water elemental, 88x Polyphemus, 82x a sea snake, 56x a kraken, 46x a manticore, 41x a faun, 37x a merfolk javelineer, 37x a death yak, 28x a catoblepas, 19x a merfolk aquamancer, 17x a griffon, 13x Ilsuiw, 12x a siren, 1... 12:28:02 right, that's what i was getting at with the "high invocations skill bit", maybe not very clearly 12:28:04 <|amethyst> !lg * recent shoals ktyp=beam s=killer 12:28:06 1743 games for * (recent shoals ktyp=beam): 377x a water nymph, 346x a merfolk aquamancer, 298x a merfolk javelineer, 124x a satyr, 89x Polyphemus, 62x Nikola, 60x a faun, 54x a merfolk, 41x Ilsuiw, 39x a wind drake, 34x a cyclops, 32x a manticore, 29x an octopode crusher, 27x Aizul, 25x Jorgrun, 23x a frost giant, 13x Mara, 11x Roxanne, 5x Mara (illusionary), 4x Frances, 4x a stone giant, 4x Sain... 12:28:07 rip 12:28:18 <|amethyst> !lg * recent shoals ktyp=beam s=kaux 12:28:19 1743 games for * (recent shoals ktyp=beam): 377x by the raging water, 170x shard of ice, 165x great wave of water, 109x Hit by a javelin thrown by a merfolk javelineer, 84x Hit by a large rock thrown by Polyphemus, 58x chain lightning, 55x ball of steam, 53x Shot with an arrow by a satyr, 53x Hit by a javelin of penetration thrown by a merfolk javelineer, 41x by the air, 38x Shot with a sling bull... 12:28:28 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:30 I get the general sentiment that oka is a little weak, mostly since the end of corpse sac slowed down piety gain notably [even with the partial compensation] 12:28:34 <|amethyst> !lg * recent shoals ktyp=beam / kaux~~thrown 12:28:35 478/1743 games for * (recent shoals ktyp=beam): N=478/1743 (27.42%) 12:29:42 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:30:50 -!- paxed has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:30:51 -!- drukna has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:33:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:34:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:37:15 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:39:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:52 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:42:44 WebFungus: i timed out but was trying to say: <+MarvinPA> yeah, giving an excuse to bump the piety costs down a bit was the other part of it, since the piety gain reduction does seem noticeable 12:42:57 excuses...! 12:42:58 :P 12:43:16 unrelated: were you around when I was talking about wand pruning yesterday? 12:43:42 no but i think i scanned it in the backlog 12:44:37 any opinions? 12:45:35 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:46:05 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:46:54 not entirely sure, but i'd probably be in favour of trimming at least a few of the plain damage wands 12:48:09 not really a fan of some of the old patch proposals that merge them into wands with multiple effects, i think just picking one or two each of the low-tier and high-tier damage wands would be fine 12:48:17 yeah 12:48:55 I may throw together a branch 12:49:38 i think invis and hasting as wands are okay really 12:49:41 we only have frost flame magic-dart 12:50:00 I was specifically trying to trim a similar number of each tier of wand 12:50:03 fire cold drain fireball lightning on the high end 12:50:11 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:30 in an attempt to keep the 'average quality' of wands similar 12:51:06 average quality given the class? 12:51:19 -!- gammafun1 is now known as gammafunk 12:51:21 the quality of 'any wand', wand acq, etc 12:51:40 could still do that just by messing with weights though presumably? 12:52:04 wand acq, sure. not sure how other stuff currently works 12:52:19 the other part of this is that removing low-tier wands doesn't actually reduce evo power/clutter 12:52:33 since you aren't going to be using those by the time inventory clutter becomes an issue anyway 12:52:55 well there are a lot more high damage wands to potentially remove 12:53:03 looks like _random_wand_subtype() is: weird 12:53:09 lol 12:53:15 !source _random_wand_subtype 12:53:15 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/makeitem.cc#l1284 12:53:16 but it'd be a good excuse to change it to be a proper random_choose_weighted thing i guess 12:53:27 lmao 12:53:33 ya, that one's worth rewriting 12:54:34 gammafunk: is your argument that it's better to remove all of the high-damage wands than any of the buff wands? 12:55:01 sorry? no I was just remarking that there are a lot from that category 12:55:06 compared to lower damage wands 12:55:14 I think more in terms of function, wrt wands 12:55:32 buff wands have such wildly different utility (compared to damage wands) 12:56:15 my suggestion was tossing fire & cold; lightning, fball, draining all feel reasonably distinct 12:57:57 that's fairly reasonable, assuming the weights of the remaining ones are adjusted etc 12:58:46 cold and draining tend to be resisted by the same things and fire and fball the same way, obviously 12:58:53 yeah 12:59:00 still not sure how much that'll do wrt evo clutter; in practice you don't see people carrying all 5 damage wands around anyway 12:59:13 which is why it feels like it'd be more useful to junk some of the buff wands 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:06 well function wise they're all good, but yeah clutter is just something where you have to look beyond whether it's useful 13:00:47 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:01:19 I guess /invis I could bear parting with the most, and /tele is somethign that would probably improve game balance somewhat although man I don't want to see it go 13:01:39 agreed on invis being the easiest to toss 13:01:46 we're just junking invis sources left and right 13:01:49 it's a massacre... 13:01:58 invis pots and +inv, at least 13:02:07 ...for now... 13:02:35 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:03:23 hw is tragically needed for dd 13:03:27 insofar as dd is needed 13:03:50 they're kind of a failed experiment. 13:05:00 !lg * recent won s=god o=% 13:05:01 12019 games for * (recent won): 110x Elyvilon, 122x Pakellas, 131x Fedhas, 167x Beogh, 179x Jiyva, 193x Yredelemnul, 201x Nemelex Xobeh, 249x Xom, 267x Kikubaaqudgha, 289x Sif Muna, 296x, 308x Lugonu, 353x Zin, 403x Qazlal, 467x Dithmenos, 478x Gozag, 533x Ru, 769x Ashenzari, 869x Vehumet, 919x Cheibriados, 1027x Makhleb, 1051x The Shining One, 1300x Okawaru, 1338x Trog 13:05:07 !lg * recent won dd s=god o=% 13:05:08 536 games for * (recent won dd): Ashenzari, Fedhas, Gozag, Okawaru, Sif Muna, Zin, 2x Kikubaaqudgha, 4x Cheibriados, 4x Lugonu, 4x Nemelex Xobeh, 6x Jiyva, 8x Ru, 12x Elyvilon, 25x The Shining One, 27x Pakellas, 67x Trog, 371x Makhleb 13:06:00 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:54 .oO ( fr all dd worship pakellas ) 13:08:30 it's really dumb that their playstyle seems to devolve into "find a god who lets you ignore your racial drawback". fo players don't all go lugonu (ha) 13:08:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:10:18 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:11:06 well those gods don't let you ignore your racial drawback 13:11:34 circumvent? 13:12:06 sure, but I think if you have a racial drawback of any kind, you're going to find gods/spells that let you circumvent it to some degree 13:12:22 see fe and op melee wrt forms 13:14:05 idk that citing fe as good race design is a strong play, but either way, you don't see playstyle degenerate the same way - you don't see more than 50% of fe or op wins worshipping the same god, using the same form, w/e 13:14:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:15:19 I don't think these numbers are based in reality 13:15:28 "50% all doing the same" 13:15:42 !lg * dd won / makhleb 13:15:43 1055/1684 games for * (dd won): N=1055/1684 (62.65%) 13:15:49 besides if we're cutting races in terms of good race design 13:15:50 !lg * dd won recent / makhleb 13:15:51 371/536 games for * (dd won recent): N=371/536 (69.22%) 13:15:53 we have a lot of cutting to do 13:16:08 where's my query for how many op using forms use statue 13:16:13 a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single cut. 13:16:14 I just don't think the argument works 13:16:18 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:16:42 if you want to argue that the dd mechanic is just not sufficiently fun, that's more reasonable to me personally 13:16:52 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 13:16:59 but you have a number of god choices for dd 13:17:15 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:17:25 !lg * mi s=cls% 13:17:27 334397 games for * (mi): 134191x Fighter (40.13%), 102578x Berserker (30.68%), 23803x Gladiator (7.12%), 18200x Monk (5.44%), 9455x Hunter (2.83%), 6965x Chaos Knight (2.08%), 6633x Death Knight (1.98%), 5499x Wanderer (1.64%), 3242x Abyssal Knight (0.97%), 2918x Priest (0.87%), 2777x Paladin (0.83%), 2256x Transmuter (0.67%), 1624x Wizard (0.49%), 1413x Necromancer (0.42%), 1300x Skald (0.39%), 1... 13:17:40 full 30% Be 70% simple melee, so we could cut those etc 13:17:53 ??THE WIZARD'S CASTLE[ORC 13:17:53 I don't have a page labeled THE WIZARD'S CASTLE[ORC in my learndb. 13:17:56 bah 13:18:06 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:18:09 imho, there is a pretty clear difference between embracing a race's speciality and rushing headlong away from it 13:18:21 my argument was that the dd mechanic seems pretty clearly unfun, given how few people actually play with it 13:18:32 oh even better 13:18:35 ??THE WIZARD'S CASTLE[4 13:18:36 THE WIZARD'S CASTLE[4/5]: YOU MAY BE AN ELF, DWARF, MAN, OR HOBBIT. 13:18:42 ^ new race screen >.> 13:18:43 it's not rushing away from it at all, it's just mitigating to a degree 13:19:09 compare dd^makh to dd^[not a healing god] 13:19:15 -!- dark_star has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:19:35 it's not even remotely the same playstyle 13:20:06 compare anything of be to anything not of be, it's not remotely the same playstyle? I really don't understand what this discussion is about 13:20:20 rip 13:20:27 inconclusion, bring back dcall + dform synergy 13:21:38 We're talking about removing DD and Fe in the same conversation? Is it Christmas again already? 13:21:47 and Op 13:21:55 all the badly design species in one go! 13:21:58 it's now or never 13:22:05 . . . but I like Op. Things I like should stay, things I don't like should go. 13:22:07 <.< >.> 13:22:16 my reasoning exactly! 13:22:30 if you like a thing, that means it's fun and good. 13:22:35 by definition. 13:22:47 I like victory dancing 13:22:57 by "you", PF did not mean you 13:23:19 and I like ...I don't even have a good list of things *everyone* hates! 13:23:22 if gammafunk likes something, that means it is unfun and bad. 13:23:23 need to add one to the larndb 13:23:30 to the yarndb 13:23:30 by definition. 13:23:38 wow exploding monsters in debug mode creates a whole lot of debug spam 13:23:59 there are things in debug mode that don't create a whole lot of debug spam? >.> 13:24:35 relatedly: i made another spell that explodes monsters 13:25:16 uh oh 13:25:29 clearly we have too many ways to explode monsters... 13:26:26 MarvinPA: what will this do to your millimarvins!? 13:26:33 ADDING something...!? 13:26:55 MarvinPA: I'm glad you're working on this because I intend to soon make another spell that explodes monsters. 13:26:58 i know, it's terrible! but i've been feeling sorry for the necronomicon for years 13:27:10 wow, really? 13:27:18 Well, god ability. 13:27:28 sorry for in that you didn't add exploding spells to it? 13:27:51 it does lack explosions 13:27:57 MarvinPA: what's your spell do? 13:28:56 i'm messing with the messaging and name and on making spellpower affect it but: http://sprunge.us/ISCZ 13:29:34 "sort of like death channel but with death scarabs bursting from the dead monster" 13:30:26 -!- flappity_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30:44 hrm 13:30:51 probably shouldn't be called "Summon Death Scarabs" though 13:31:05 yeah . . . "Scarab Infestation" to match the status? 13:31:21 or something catchier that hints at infestation yeah 13:31:24 i was just going to go with "infestation" maybe, yeah 13:31:51 ah, L8, the canonical necromancy spell level 13:31:51 catchier names are very welcome! 13:32:04 haha 13:32:13 what do we have there, haunt, borgs, ddoor, necromute? 13:32:13 Make it level 9 so people stop coming up with L9 Necromancy spells 13:32:19 Haunt is L7 these days 13:32:21 right 13:32:29 I always forget this 13:32:32 death channel used to be level 9... just saying....... 13:32:39 was haunt ever l8? 13:32:46 WebFungus: Death Channel is really strong at L6 13:32:46 i thought it went up from 6! 13:32:49 probably not but I just assumed it was also L8 13:32:58 Lasty_: I know! but it wasn't at 9 :) 13:33:04 it also had half its current duration 13:33:18 WebFungus: it could easily be 7-8. But then, all the derived undead spells could be at level 7-8-9 if the area you're in provides high level corpses 13:33:25 if someone argued that the necronomicon was, at present, the strongest high-level book, I don't think I'd be able to argue with them. 13:33:38 Yeah, definitely. 13:33:41 Well. . . 13:33:44 also my proposed l9 necromancy spell is borgnjor's 13:33:52 MM and Poison Arrow trho 13:34:05 i don't really know what level is appropriate for this, 8 was a wild guess 13:34:06 I kind of like L9 obrgs 13:34:09 being level 6 instead of level 9 is huge 13:34:14 8/9 13:34:22 yeah, Borg's is fine at L9 13:34:25 ya the other books each have a power spell [despite MM's repeated and brutal nerfs] 13:34:32 but necronomicon is just filed with power spells 13:34:36 another reason to make borg's l9: it can be the spell that has gained the most levels over its lifetime in crawl 13:34:41 nice 13:34:46 although maybe it already is, even 13:34:49 where did it start? 13:34:50 what did it start it, 5 or something ridiculous? 13:34:51 l5 borgs can you imagine 13:34:54 lmao 13:35:01 with a lower maxhp penalty 13:35:08 I don't really see people abusing borg at present, tbh 13:35:09 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:35:11 or using it at all 13:35:13 WebFungus: I had a char get MM summonable on L1, and that was so weird. The char was so weak until it cast MM, which then acted like a Trog bro and cleared the floor. 13:35:17 From the JRPG school of design 13:35:21 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:28 Lasty_: brill? 13:35:33 oh, lair 1 13:35:39 ueaj 13:35:41 yeah 13:35:50 And yeah, brilliance helped 13:35:53 Lasty_: same will happen with parrow 13:36:03 I remember watching wheals halve his max hp by repeatedly borging in tomb, a year or so ago 13:36:03 or other high level conj spells really 13:36:05 that was funny 13:36:16 gammafunk: not nearly to the same extent. One cast of parrow doesn't kill 10x lair monsters in a row 13:36:30 honestly i should have lost more HP for doing that 13:36:39 well 10x lair monsters, but how many were not trivial monsters 13:36:55 re: wands: I am in favour of scrapping /disintegration 13:37:07 you use parrow not on green rats, sure 13:37:07 i just tweeted _random_wand_subtype by the way 13:37:09 but I can seriously count the number of games I've seen using borg on one hand 13:37:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:37:19 gammafunk: I mean spiny frogs and yak packs and mambas and komodo dragons . . . 13:37:29 *in principle* I can see it being powerful enough to raise it to L9 but *in practice* it feels hard to justify 13:37:39 dpeg: reasoning? 13:37:39 I mean obviously one cast won't kill 10x at once, but it'll easily kill 10x in sequence or even pairs 13:37:45 Lasty_: Well you might be able to get one cast of MM to kill 10 of those 13:37:50 but probably you won't come close 13:37:57 esp if you get harpies 13:38:15 one manticore or lindworm is not going to take down 10 spiny frogs 13:38:16 ime 13:38:27 KEEP IN MIND that removing /disint would mean removing the wand duel vault, which would be a TRAGIC loss for crawl... 13:38:33 w/ lindwurm depends on how much it breathes fire 13:38:49 w/ manticore it won't if y ou use it as a solo tank, but will if you act as bait 13:39:05 I don't believe these statements are very accurate 13:39:13 :shrug: might just be my experience 13:39:25 Admittedly I've only once learned MM on Lair:1 13:39:42 but I used it extensively that one time 13:39:49 was that back when it was l5? 13:39:56 well it just has nothing to do with lair one or anything, it's just a lindworm killing 10 spiny frogs is going to need a lot of luck to pull that off 13:39:57 those were the days 13:39:58 no, it was pretty recently 13:40:11 and this is luck you could just as well get with other summons 13:40:22 gammafunk: not really -- the spiny frogs don't really touch it, since it tends to kill them in 1-2 actions 13:40:24 i'm boycotting su now that mm has been RUINED by DEVS. 13:40:39 Lasty_: no, that's not really true, spiny frogs are fast and have pretty good accuracy 13:40:47 @??lindwurm 13:40:47 lindwurm (09k) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 43-58 | AC/EV: 8/6 | Dam: 20, 10, 10 | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 647 | Sp: fire breath (3d18) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 13:41:01 not like they have some inpenetrable defense nor some epic amount of hp 13:41:08 8 ac isn't awful for lair 13:41:08 gammafunk: sure, if you !arena it, it'll never happen 13:41:21 But in practice, the frog focuses on you 13:41:31 which gives the lindwurm a lot of free shots 13:41:40 the real trick... human bait....! 13:41:52 No, this doesn't have anything to do with arena really 13:42:14 it's just about doing damage and monster hp; we're probably assuming you're doing a lot of damage in addition to what the lindworm is doing 13:42:16 @?? spiny frog 13:42:16 spiny frog (08F) | Spd: 12 (swim: 60%) | HD: 7 | HP: 33-44 | AC/EV: 6/9 | Dam: 2608(poison:14-28) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(20), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 407 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 13:42:29 In the case of this char, the char did very little damage relative to the lindwurm 13:42:54 I do many many summoners and it's not my experience at all that one hero lindwurm would pull this off with any kind of regularity 13:43:17 Fair enough 13:43:35 again, it might have been a crazy run of luck for me 13:43:53 alls I know is that it made Lair way easier than PArrow ever did 13:44:27 <|amethyst> if /disint is removed, can /dig be made to work on granite statues? 13:44:35 Sounds good to me 13:44:41 hm 13:44:51 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:01 I would agree with gammafunk here; even in the glory days of l5 mm (rip) I didn't find it as effective as you're describing 13:45:06 IMO condense them so that the beam works like disint, but digs though any number of tiles on the way. 13:45:21 Weird. 13:45:31 Maybe the menagerie just likes me better 13:45:34 probably 13:45:42 I never fed mine 13:45:45 or gave it toys to play with 13:45:47 <|amethyst> though I would be a bit sad about having no way to explode monsters before IOOD 13:45:48 !!! 13:45:53 is spell_disint even used for anything else 13:45:55 I'm calling animal protective services. 13:46:00 |amethyst: inner flame! 13:46:00 besides the wand 13:46:04 |amethyst: no reason to remove the exploding 13:46:16 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: ah right 13:46:19 |amethyst: just fully merge the functionality of the two wands 13:46:36 <|amethyst> I don't know 13:46:50 <|amethyst> what if there happens to be a neutral on the other side of the wall that you didn't know about 13:46:59 is dig really needed, I guess? 13:47:06 if we just kept disint 13:47:25 I think it'd be more annoying to try to use disint to dig through walls thicker than one tile 13:47:28 |amethyst: What if fireball hits a neutral you didn't know about out of sight? 13:47:40 i think dig is a decent effect to keep around in limited form 13:47:41 ah, gooe uses disint 13:48:04 MarvinPA: you mean more limmited than /dig ? 13:48:06 <|amethyst> Lasty_: you can avoid that by not targetting the edge of LOS 13:48:08 *limited 13:48:21 in practice /dig isn't terribly limited, but wand weights can change that, of course 13:48:22 note that fireball can't target edge of los without veh or some kind of los-reduction fun 13:48:23 <|amethyst> Lasty_: but with dig there would be no way to say "stop at this wall tile" 13:48:24 no, as in i like /dig specifically 13:48:25 |amethyst: we could set the dig wand to use . targeting 13:48:39 <|amethyst> Lasty_: no, because you can't target squares you can't see 13:48:44 ah 13:48:46 Lasty_: imo should disintegrate the first living thing it hits or dig otherwise, something like that 13:49:01 WebFungus: but never dig then disint? I'm fine with that 13:49:01 <|amethyst> that would work 13:49:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'd rather have dig than disint for two reasons 13:49:13 I'd be perfectly happy w/ that outcome 13:49:20 <|amethyst> gammafunk: 1. it's less tedious to dig a long passage 13:49:30 <|amethyst> gammafunk: 2. it's harder to use dig for killholes 13:49:40 yeah 13:49:48 <|amethyst> reinstate pubby-dig 13:49:54 killholes are just a big problem for crawl 13:50:10 pubby-dig? 13:50:13 disint is fun, mostly because of explosions 13:50:29 oh, well I guess "can't miss" ends up being good for low MR things 13:50:36 it's like you get really good damage accuracy 13:50:42 <|amethyst> disint could become creature-only or even creature-only smite-targetted 13:50:52 I wonder if gooe should be moved earlier. or given more hd, maybe. it's never seemed very effective to me, especially after I added display of resist chance for monster spells. 13:50:59 Boggart-exploder 13:51:02 eyes of dev? 13:51:05 you mean? 13:51:14 oh no you said gooe 13:51:17 WebFungus: give it an attack that lowers MR . . . 13:51:18 <|amethyst> %git c7687b13 13:51:18 07pubby02 * 0.13-a0-1602-gc7687b1: Make dig carve-out more adjacent tiles to player. 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 1 file, 45+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c7687b137062 13:51:37 If your MR is low enough and it does paralyze/disint combo, it stacks damage pretty fast. 13:51:42 But otherwise it's harmless. 13:51:48 they eyeteeth 13:51:51 *the 13:51:55 beware the eyeteeth! 13:51:57 yeah I love the flavor 13:52:07 ??beholder 13:52:07 great orb of eyes[1/3]: Spell casting eyeball that will paralyze, confuse, disintegrate, slow, bite, and possibly even teleport you. Is also immune to enchantments. 13:52:10 and the idea of 'it's all the other eyes put together, but not quite as good as any of them at what they do' 13:52:15 huh, that's out of date 13:52:19 @??great orb of eyes 13:52:19 great orb of eyes (09G) | Spd: 10 | HD: 12 | HP: 57-77 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 20 | see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 03poison, 12drown | XP: 1029 | Sp: paralyse [06!sil], disintegrate (d44) [06!sil], drain magic [06!sil], confuse [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 13:52:27 wow 13:52:39 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:53:00 another monster that might be cool to see in other places, since they're kind of weak in their home branch, is eyes of devastation 13:53:07 but maybe I'm dumb 13:53:16 I've run into vaults that place eyes of devastation early, and they're no joke 13:53:20 !learn e great_orb_of_eyes[1 s/slow, bite, and possibly even teleport you.*/and possibly even bite you./ 13:53:20 great orb of eyes[1/3]: Spell casting eyeball that will paralyze, confuse, disintegrate, and possibly even bite you. 13:53:21 but they can be blowgun-kited 13:53:23 <|amethyst> WebFungus: I thought the idea was "it has all the abilities of a beholder, but the tile looks different for copyright-infringement reasons" 13:53:33 Lasty_: yeah, them being slow makes them easy to avoid 13:53:33 it's also that 13:53:40 and kite, I guess 13:53:43 but the current abilities in particular are all riffs on other eyeballs 13:54:00 para from giant eyeballs, disint from devastation, drain from eyes of draining or w/e they're called, confuse from golden eyes 13:54:03 !lg * br=vaults s=killer% 13:54:04 21964 games for * (br=vaults): 1712x a stone giant (7.79%), 1219x a vault warden (5.55%), 1124x a titan (5.12%), 1117x a yaktaur captain (5.09%), 686x (3.12%), 657x an ettin (2.99%), 566x a tengu reaver (2.58%), 553x a vault guard (2.52%), 500x a frost giant (2.28%), 463x a centaur warrior (2.11%), 449x a fire giant (2.04%), 447x a yaktaur (2.04%), 431x a shadow dragon (1.96%), 405x an ancient lic... 13:54:16 that's where gooe place the most? 13:54:24 I guess it's stiff competition 13:54:33 I thought they were mostly in Vaults 13:54:34 er 13:54:35 Depths 13:54:48 !lg * br=depths s=killer% 13:54:49 8509 games for * (br=depths): 538x a stone giant (6.32%), 402x a spriggan air mage (4.72%), 341x a fire giant (4.01%), 332x a frost giant (3.90%), 299x a caustic shrike (3.51%), 294x a deep troll (3.46%), 285x an ettin (3.35%), 242x a deep troll earth mage (2.84%), 229x (2.69%), 216x a titan (2.54%), 204x a lich (2.40%), 200x a tengu reaver (2.35%), 189x a spriggan defender (2.22%), 174x an octopo... 13:55:04