00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:11 am i getting more than 50% monstrous demonspawn because i really don't want one for our dieselrobin character or what? 00:00:12 ProzacElf: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:00:16 !messages 00:00:17 (1/1) trumpforp said (12h 34m 42s ago): http://piratepad.net/DfhiOyzPRp 00:00:39 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: brb] 00:00:45 or did the %age on it get raised recently? 00:02:06 -!- eb has quit [] 00:02:31 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:05:57 conundrum re Distill Magic 00:06:10 a potion of magic gives 10 + random2(28, 3) MP on average 00:06:34 ideally we want the cost of Distill Magic in MP to be the same so as to make the ability, uh, MP-neutral 00:06:39 (for lack of a better word) 00:06:49 but that makes it basically useless until you have at least 20 MMP or so 00:06:52 so I don't think it will work 00:07:18 possible alternative: "potion of distilled magic" or similar which is the same thing but gives less MP 00:09:45 Grunt: not great, since Pak puts enough inventory pressure as it is 00:09:54 yes 00:09:56 Well and I start to get reminded of vampires 00:10:25 I suppose you could make magic pots restore differently under pak 00:10:30 as in, give you less 00:10:46 that seems iffy 00:10:54 potions should be potions no matter which deity you happen to be following 00:11:06 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:11:17 yeah, it's basically a new potion type, but we do have potions that restore differently based on species 00:11:24 VS, Vp, uh 00:11:29 I guess just those 00:11:41 Fo 00:11:46 (haste) 00:12:02 yeah, a bit more binary in case of VS and Fo, but they are different for those 00:12:13 we're talking about deities here and not species, though 00:12:14 :) 00:12:15 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:12:16 Grunt: What was the basic idea of this again, you're going to instead get !magic from the Pak ability 00:12:26 and not restore devices? 00:12:41 gammafunk: the idea is: remove the pressure from having your MP overflow 00:13:22 Yeah, that's the problem you're trying to solve, but I guess I don't see how this addresses that (even ignoring consistency issues you bring up) 00:13:43 you have MP you don't immediately need to use -> store as pot of magic for later use 00:14:33 does cold-blooded creatures get hasted by being affected by flame clouds or rSticky 00:14:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:14:38 Well, when do I use this, when I have sufficient mp to distill a magic pot? 00:14:39 hmm 00:14:42 if not, maybe they should 00:15:03 er 00:15:09 s/rSticky/sticky flame/ 00:15:10 Sounds like there's still a lot of watching my mp and remembering to distil 00:15:12 "I'm nearing my MP cap; do I need to recharge something? No? Store it." 00:15:26 I would say give the player some kind of bonus for having maxed MP? 00:15:59 !shrug 00:16:00 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 00:16:17 Shrug guy always has the answers 00:16:27 Grunt: one way would be to maintain a counter towards MP overflow and gift !magic over time 00:16:36 perhaps the s in sgrunt stands fo r shrug 00:16:44 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: witty quit message goes here] 00:16:45 (slower than 1:1, since otherwise you basically have no max) 00:16:56 shrugrunt 00:17:00 FIQ: hm 00:17:24 for example, every 60 MP overflow, gift a !magic 00:17:31 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:51 it might lead to degenerate behaviour in other ways though (not in tedium, but "farming" !magic) 00:22:23 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:23:45 Grunt: could you just massively increase max mp under pak? 00:24:04 like to ridiculous levels like 144 00:24:07 like 00:24:22 like 3-4x the amount? 00:24:34 I would rather scale down the abilities if we wanted to go that route 00:24:44 (and rate of MP gain) 00:25:17 -!- rossi_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:25:54 that's less Fun though 00:26:20 this way you get to theoretically cast fifteen firestorms in a row! 00:27:02 !send chequers power creep 00:27:03 Sending power creep to chequers. 00:27:22 is there a plan to not encourage using the recharge ability at low MP to get more total charges on rare wands without spending as much MP to do it? 00:27:48 A voice booms, "This is why you can't have Fun!" You feel your magic slipping away. 00:28:39 Floodkiller: if that is a problem, there's an easy fix 00:28:52 drain piety based on amount of charges 00:28:52 given to a wand 00:29:00 (enough to be significant) 00:29:35 I did it a lot as a Deep Dwarf with Faith on, and I think I only dipped to 5* a couple times 00:29:41 to my heal wounds wand 00:31:11 speaking of pakellas and max MP.. just found MP+9 helmet as pak lol 00:37:24 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 00:39:34 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:41:25 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:27 .spidertomb 00:43:28 2. Ultraviolent4 the Messiah (L19 HOMo of Beogh), slain by an emperor scorpion (kmap: floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on Spider:4 on 2016-01-23 11:38:42, with 205628 points after 38933 turns and 2:36:42. 00:43:31 Floodkiller: did you see that one 00:43:47 no, I haven't 00:43:47 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:43:49 two emperor scorps at entrance 00:43:53 and then a moth of wrath appears... 00:44:12 lol.. 00:44:12 ouch, the hard spawns must have woken up and wandered far for that to happen 00:44:25 yeah, but at least one or two can appear close to front 00:44:52 not any criticism, was just funny 00:44:59 the player reacted very poorly 00:45:07 as in he recalled orcs and tried to fight them 00:45:15 died with a blink scroll in inventory etc 00:46:07 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:47:06 I was wondering if maybe hornets as easy spawns might be too much with them being able to now pierce rPois with paralysis 00:47:34 but I guess that hasn't caused a death yet 00:47:41 so it's probably not a big deal 00:51:00 Hornets are pretty standard fare in spider, yeah 00:51:23 Your vault actually has a bit less placement without the rock in front, I think 00:56:07 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:07 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:09 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:04 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1164-g7046a04 (34) 01:03:50 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:05:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:01 alright 01:06:03 http://puu.sh/mIL2l/8502cc7c4b.png 01:06:05 last one for the evening 01:07:44 -!- LordSloth has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:18 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:17:34 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:17:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:17:41 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 01:17:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:18:05 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1164-g7046a04 (34) 01:20:10 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:22:21 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:24:55 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:25:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:25:44 -!- GiantOwl is now known as Kalir 01:25:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:27:36 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:31:28 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:42:12 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 01:45:39 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50:01 gammafunk: my last death in spider sounds like that, but worse: two or three emperor scorpions, and moths of wrath, and then i got para'd by a hornet 01:50:12 haha 01:50:18 hornet para is a great touch 01:50:43 full hp to dead in one turn. my fault of course for forgetting the hornets; i usually have rpois 01:50:59 kind of wish you could poly emperor scorpions into orb guardians 01:55:02 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1164-g7046a04 01:58:56 -!- Cryp71c has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:34 wow, a lot of games on cszo have apparently been idle for 1158 hours 02:06:54 !calc 1158/24 02:06:55 48 02:07:01 a month and a half 02:07:27 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:12:53 heh 02:13:31 i'm pretty certain that game of lasty's on there is one he already won 02:14:34 -!- FireSight has quit [] 02:16:58 !lg lasty|sorbius|michaelh|shinquickman|senkrad src=cszo s=tiles 02:16:59 6625 games for lasty|sorbius|michaelh|shinquickman|senkrad (src=cszo): 6605x false, 20x true 02:17:52 guess the bug is with console games 02:22:22 huh 02:26:34 yeah, you can't watch Lasty's game on cszo console 02:26:38 it just has an entry still 02:26:41 in webtiles lobby 02:26:53 I'm sure it will just go away when webtiles is restarted 02:27:20 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:28:58 ah 02:29:17 of course i think he won that game not long after the tournament =p 02:31:09 curiously those all happened around the same time, wonder if the inotify based directorywatcher can skip events under some conditions 02:31:14 -!- johlstei__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:47 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:36:50 -!- noppa354 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:36:52 heh, no idea 02:37:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:38:40 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:35 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:40:59 -!- Zekka has quit [Quit: leaving] 02:42:48 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:44:49 -!- johlstei has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:25 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:49:57 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1164-g7046a04 02:51:18 inotify is actually a fairly crappy interface and subject to race conditions and such 02:52:21 (to be honest, there's several such notification APIs for various OSes, and they all suck in one way or another. and all are subject to race conditions because the only way to avoid them is to put the code that reacts to them into the kernel) 02:53:32 -!- Snack_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:55:38 I wonder if doing an occasional manual check would be sensible. 02:56:19 or removing the games if someone tries to spectate 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:49 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:07:10 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 03:08:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:12:00 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1164-g7046a04 (34) 03:28:01 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:33:25 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:34:53 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:37:15 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 03:46:27 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:48:16 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:20 -!- kaiza has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 04:07:46 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:16:07 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:20:27 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:39:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 04:40:09 -!- sorlin has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:51:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:52:03 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:55:44 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:56:01 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:59:44 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:46 -!- zwisch has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:06:47 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:11:58 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Client Quit] 05:13:44 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 05:18:15 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:23:43 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:28:16 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:29:36 -!- GauHelldragon3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:34:08 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:37:06 did Pakellas really predict his/her orange statue losing miserably to a hydra? 05:37:15 or is the condition swapped there 05:42:16 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:44:35 I feel like the elf bailey is really unbalanced now with how much stronger deep elf mages are 05:53:57 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:59:14 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:10 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:34 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:40:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:47:01 -!- bencryption has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 06:47:37 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:48:34 !messages 06:48:35 No messages for TZer0. 06:48:38 Good. 06:57:23 -!- stypr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:39:15 -!- rj54x_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:42:33 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:49:38 -!- Xandaros has quit [Changing host] 07:56:20 -!- Grivan has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:56:39 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:11:23 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:16:43 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:23:41 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:25:57 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:28:15 -!- halberd has joined ##crawl-dev 08:28:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:31:00 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:40 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:07 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:42:57 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:43:17 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 08:44:46 -!- causative_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:13 -!- halberd has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:46:43 lately i've been noticing monsters awake and wandering a lot more than I recall from days of yore. Something changed? maybe it's just that trap generation got fixed so monsters are stepping on noise traps 08:47:12 <|amethyst> causative_: a few versions ago monsters stopped falling back to sleep 08:47:49 what do you mean by versions, like 0.15 or 0.14? 08:47:52 <|amethyst> %git :/mummy stabbing 08:47:52 07reaverb02 * 0.15-a0-1355-g3a02dd4: Remove mummy stabbing 10(1 year, 8 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3a02dd4f168d 08:47:58 <|amethyst> 0.15 it looks like 08:48:06 that's not it then since I started playing in 0.15 08:48:11 <|amethyst> hm 08:48:36 for example I just cleared snake4 and the vault was nearly empty when i finally got there, after slugging through the entire contents of the vault nowhere near it 08:48:43 not a loud character 08:56:10 <|amethyst> hm 08:56:16 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:57:07 -!- PsyMar has quit [Quit: "What happens if you die in reality?" "You die, stupid. That's why it's called reality."] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:41 temple is getting a little too crowded imo 09:01:52 this is the third game in a row veh wan't in there 09:01:53 muravey: we don't even have a full alphabet of gods 09:02:02 even if you include tso 09:02:23 temple layouts were designed for a smaller number of gods tho 09:02:54 it's kinda frustrating not seeing an altar for the best god until d:10 or smth 09:08:38 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:16 -!- causative_ has left ##crawl-dev 09:13:43 chequers: !lg * s=regexp_replace(cv, '-a', '') o=-. -graph / won 09:13:48 -!- greensna1k is now known as greensnark 09:14:53 -!- vev_ is now known as vev 09:20:37 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:22:47 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 09:24:38 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:28:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:31:24 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:33:29 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 09:34:25 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:51:17 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:22 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:23 -!- doubleD_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:08:18 -!- DDFi has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:11:59 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:12:38 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:29 <|amethyst> Someone points out that the changelog and blog post (they only mentioned the latter) don't mention that "harm is harmful to take off 10:16:50 we wouldn't want to spoil the surprise, would we? 10:19:50 !lg sebi 0.7 10:19:51 9763. Sebi the Charlatan (L1 DEAr), got out of the dungeon alive on 2010-09-26 09:18:52, with 20 points after 11 turns and 0:00:05. 10:20:15 !lg sebi 0.7 boring 10:20:17 9609. Sebi the Charlatan (L1 DEAr), got out of the dungeon alive on 2010-09-26 09:18:52, with 20 points after 11 turns and 0:00:05. 10:20:24 -!- Starbucks has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:20:51 !lg * !boring !won ((0.7 || 0.17)) s=xl,cv -graph 10:20:52 333599 games for * (!boring !won ((0.7 || 0.17))): https://shalott.org/graphs/24fc0e363262beae590d3203e2b0ce9f355119e1.html 10:22:39 !lg * !boring !won ((0.7 || 0.17)) s=cv / s=xl -graph 10:22:40 Too many grouping terms (extra: s=xl) 10:23:26 !lg * !boring !won ((0.7 || 0.17)) s=xl%,cv -graph 10:23:27 333601 games for * (!boring !won ((0.7 || 0.17))): https://shalott.org/graphs/c3f7ad25155af9c03c8efc38f92c336e47da68a3.html 10:23:29 <|amethyst> !lg * !won !alpha s=cv / xl=1 o=-cv -graph 10:23:38 805439/2696700 games for * (!won !alpha): https://shalott.org/graphs/7fffe022f43dc48e3afcb519b6b0842edc3cf58d.html 10:23:39 <|amethyst> !lg * !won !alpha !boring s=cv / xl=1 o=-cv -graph 10:23:47 435727/2249449 games for * (!won !alpha !boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/f375ead159ad0465aab9bc1a0585d7a7ec14913e.html 10:24:16 <|amethyst> still a pretty significant drop in 0.9 10:24:28 -!- West1C has quit [] 10:24:35 <|amethyst> and between 0.16 and 0.17 but that could be tournament effects 10:24:43 <|amethyst> !lg * !won alpha s=cv / xl=1 o=-cv -graph 10:24:47 <|amethyst> !lg * !won alpha !boring s=cv / xl=1 o=-cv -graph 10:24:51 589174/2446903 games for * (!won alpha): https://shalott.org/graphs/ee146b59a9ab9fed0d7c2be128631aadd08b1324.html 10:24:58 355448/2107518 games for * (!won alpha !boring): https://shalott.org/graphs/358f7858e26ff11bd8b25779ea8eda9673e89d18.html 10:25:03 wonder if that's the HP+3 10:27:24 <|amethyst> that would explain it showing up one version later in the alpha graph 10:27:42 <|amethyst> because it was added in June and 0.9 was released in August 10:27:52 <|amethyst> %git 8ee28948 10:27:52 07galehar02 * 0.9-a1-750-g8ee2894: Increase base HP by +3. 10(4 years, 7 months ago, 1 file, 35+ 35-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8ee289483b89 10:28:25 <|amethyst> so the trunk !boring graphs are not all that weird after 0.10-a0 10:28:38 -!- Xandaros has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 10:28:42 %git stone_soup-0.9^ 10:28:42 07kilobyte02 * 0.9.1-7-g3d4ada8: Unbreak Windows builds, with hacks to support ancient compilers. 10(4 years, 2 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d4ada885d3e 10:28:42 <|amethyst> so probably 0.16 to 0.17 is tournament effects 10:28:47 %git stone_soup-0.9~8 10:28:47 07kilobyte02 * 0.9.1: Changelog for 0.9.1 10(4 years, 5 months ago, 1 file, 12+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/628869b99512 10:28:55 er 10:28:56 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0^ 10:28:56 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-rc1-6-gc780f77: Upon invalidating mcache, remove all references to it as well. 10(4 years, 6 months ago, 2 files, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c780f77ec783 10:29:01 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~7 10:29:01 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-rc1: Fix build failure with gcc-trunk. (cherry picked from commit de1e0293ad53cc5c7ebbe421b9f99300874d9c25) 10(4 years, 6 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bab69e489158 10:29:03 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~8 10:29:03 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-b1-141-g8a67f05: Fix a std::string.c_str() going out of scope crash. 10(4 years, 6 months ago, 3 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8a67f058b0e0 10:29:07 ha 10:29:08 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~150 10:29:08 07kilobyte02 * 0.9-a1-1442-g9ab1d52: Reconcile player and monster partial petrification. 10(4 years, 6 months ago, 12 files, 88+ 50-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9ab1d527194f 10:29:14 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~1500 10:29:14 07jpeg02 * 0.9.0-a0-101-gda98dbc: Mantis #3790: Keep monster trails if monsters swap on the edge of LOS. 10(4 years, 10 months ago, 4 files, 8+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/da98dbce45c0 10:29:15 0.9 was relatively small 10:29:22 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~1460 10:29:22 07jpeg02 * 0.9.0-a0-141-ged4d7c4: Fix #3763: One more space when listing waypoint names. 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed4d7c4451d2 10:29:26 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~1420 10:29:27 07galehar02 * 0.9.0-a0-181-g3b1eaa1: Silently return instead of asserting if seen_context is invalid. 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b1eaa15a920 10:29:29 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~1400 10:29:29 07kilobyte02 * 0.9.0-a0-201-ga9586bc: Fix mute spellcasters being able to speak. 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a9586bca0807 10:29:32 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~1300 10:29:33 07dolorous02 * 0.9-a1-3-g9bbe62b: Properly make Yred's Enslave Soul return MON_UNAFFECTED when appropriate. 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9bbe62bb7b1d 10:29:37 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~1303 10:29:37 07MarvinPA02 * 0.9-a1: Don't let Jiyva wrath summon giant spores 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc2681618618 10:29:38 <|amethyst> %git 0.9.0~1304 10:29:38 07MarvinPA02 * 0.9.0-a0-297-g76a1692: Make Jiyva wrath's forced transformations uncancellable 10(4 years, 9 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/76a1692e2d84 10:30:03 <|amethyst> !clc 298 + 1443 + 142 + 8 10:30:06 <|amethyst> !calc 298 + 1443 + 142 + 8 10:30:07 1891 10:30:09 -!- chewymouse has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:30:29 <|amethyst> %git 0.15-b1~ 10:30:29 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2403-g91670f7: Remove Gozag from the changelog 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 14+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/91670f780909 10:30:34 <|amethyst> %git 0.14-b1~ 10:30:34 07Grunt02 * 0.14-a0-3618-g3331d8b: Purge an extraneous bit from dc-mon.txt. 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3331d8b85e77 10:30:35 <|amethyst> %git 0.13-b1~ 10:30:35 07kilobyte02 {Grunt} * 0.13-a0-3167-g10b3f51: Changelog for 0.12.3 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 22+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/10b3f5141bad 10:30:37 <|amethyst> %git 0.12-b1~ 10:30:37 07MarvinPA02 * 0.12-a0-3213-g7938f4a: Fix +Blink randart property not being identified on equip 10(2 years, 10 months ago, 1 file, 8+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7938f4afc1f8 10:30:41 <|amethyst> %git 0.16-b1~ 10:30:41 07MarvinPA02 * 0.16-a0-4134-g2ca243f: Let Ashenzari's skill boost handle unrandart staves 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 21+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2ca243f6681d 10:30:43 <|amethyst> %git 0.17-b1~ 10:30:43 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-2234-g0da9ddf: In the release guide, use -a in the example git tag command 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0da9ddf72ea6 10:30:55 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:30:59 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:31:01 <|amethyst> I guess that is pretty small 10:31:10 <|amethyst> that was about the time I started contributing 10:31:21 -!- Xandaros has quit [Client Quit] 10:31:39 <|amethyst> %git 3b7b1c7e 10:31:39 07|amethyst02 * 0.10-a0-1436-g3b7b1c7: Rename potion of healing to potion of curing. 10(4 years, 3 months ago, 27 files, 56+ 56-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b7b1c7ec858 10:31:47 <|amethyst> a guess a little before 10:31:59 <|amethyst> %git f3837c3f 10:31:59 07SamB02 * 0.10-a0-1209-gf3837c3: A missing comma, kindly donated by |amethyst (Neil Moore). 10(4 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f3837c3fdc5e 10:32:12 it's funny how the odd versions always seem to end up smaller 10:32:20 <|amethyst> that was when I started playing though (0.8, while 0.9 was in development) 10:32:22 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:33:29 <|amethyst> well, 3213 -> 3167 isn't so significant (0.12 -> 0.13) 10:33:56 <|amethyst> %git 0.15.0 10:33:56 07Grunt02 * 0.15.0: Ham-fistedly rename strings.{cc,h} to stringutil.{cc,h}. 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 153 files, 684+ 684-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/69783ea0505b 10:33:58 <|amethyst> %git 0.14.0 10:33:58 07Grunt02 * 0.14.0: Touch changelog with release date. 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/319925deedf8 10:33:59 <|amethyst> %git 0.13.0 10:33:59 07kilobyte02 * 0.13.0: Remove a bunch of not-0.13 items from the changelog. 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/429a20e13a36 10:34:11 <|amethyst> and 0.15 was a month shorter 10:34:48 yep, that seems to be part of it 10:45:45 It seems like 0.18 is going to be a version with a lot of changes, tho I don't know if that'll translate to a lot of commits. 10:48:18 03edsrzf02 07* 0.18-a0-1141-g15a6f2f: Some fixes for monster health in webtiles with tile_display_mode = glyphs 10(5 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/15a6f2f356b8 10:48:18 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1166-g6e2d2a0: Merge pull request #227 from edsrzf/webtiles-glyphs-monster-health2 10(9 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e2d2a075c02 10:49:08 clearly it will have a lot of commits just from using the green merge button so often 10:51:26 haha, true 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:02:03 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:04:57 -!- andre___ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:18:22 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:24:11 -!- pythonsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:25:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:37:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:44:15 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:45 -!- FIQ has quit [Excess Flood] 11:45:39 -!- Starbucks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:46:57 -!- FIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:53:55 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Client Quit] 11:54:04 -!- Delreyn has quit [Ping timeout: 276 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and it always has in the past in my experience 18:19:15 -!- lichtsprung has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:19:42 also earlier this game the snake4 vault was nearly empty by the time i got to it despite my not making much noise or going near it 18:20:05 except for one time i got teleported to one side of it, but that shouldn't have woken _everything_ up as I teleported out again 18:20:52 teleporting onto one side of it, causing monsters to shout 18:21:09 yeh but shout range shouldn't reach the other side of the vault 18:21:46 noise propagates pretty far 18:21:58 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:22:02 shout range is just barely beyond LOS isn't it? and that doesn't explain the hall of blades either 18:22:23 @??dancing weapon 18:22:24 dancing weapon (15() | Spd: 12-18 | HD: 15 | HP: 22-34 | AC/EV: 11/18 | Dam: 20 | 11non-living, fighter, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 883 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 18:22:42 i guess they can't open doors themselves, but there are usually elves in there anyway 18:23:15 yes an elf must have woken up somehow and opened it 18:25:00 <|amethyst> stone doesn't attenuate noise any more than rock does 18:25:01 if one monster shouts and it reaches another monster and that monster shouts 18:25:02 etc 18:25:34 <|amethyst> (permarock does completely block noise) 18:26:21 <|amethyst> but walls do as much attenuation as 12 floor squares 18:26:28 are chain shouts like that possible? seems like everything would be awake in the entire level always if it was 18:26:29 <|amethyst> closed doors as much as 8 18:26:46 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:26:50 i didn't know that about permarock. can noise still go like..."around" permarock? like if # were permarock, would my shout wake up a goblin in a situation like this? 18:26:50 ... 18:26:50 @#g 18:26:50 ... 18:27:13 i guess i could just try that 18:27:23 <|amethyst> yes, noise propagates to all neighbour cells 18:27:47 anyway this hall of blades is surrounded by deep rock and stone 18:28:02 at least 2 layers in every spot 18:29:30 btw, there is a thing in wizmode that always catches me off guard: when i use xm to move a monster, pressing m moves the cursor onto me, instead of leaving it where the monster is. why does it do this? 18:29:57 <|amethyst> yeah, I do think melee noise or normal shout noise would not make it though two walls wall, since even the loudest shout is 16, and a wall would attenuate 10.2 of that 18:31:13 amalloy: I think to let you easilly swap places with monster? 18:31:44 <|amethyst> except that doesn't swap, it just leaves you both on the same square 18:31:52 yeah, it doesn't accomplish that goal very well 18:32:51 <|amethyst> I don't think it's necessarily intentionally that way 18:33:04 yeah probably just resetting the targeter for no good reason 18:33:07 <|amethyst> !source _move_monster 18:33:08 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/wiz-mon.cc#l810 18:33:47 But you all should play my local gelatinous cube species branch, where moving monsters onto the player is really important 18:33:57 <|amethyst> it's just the simplest possible setup for that direction() call 18:34:23 <|amethyst> I do find it kind of handy sometimes, when I want to move monsters to my vicinity 18:34:28 <|amethyst> but you can do that with r so... 18:34:44 whoa, that's some MLG targetting 18:34:56 <|amethyst> args.default_place = where; would do it I think 18:34:59 never knew about r 18:35:11 <|amethyst> wheals: I only know about it because autofight uses it 18:36:55 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:37:07 <|amethyst> it's not like players use most of the x-mode bindings much 18:37:10 <|amethyst> I mean 18:37:19 <|amethyst> ??epic bugs[-3] 18:37:20 epic bugs[25/27]: From 0.5 to 0.16 freeze and vampiric draining had smite targeting if you used ! or @. 18:37:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:25 <|amethyst> %git 0.5 18:37:25 07jpeg02 * 0.5: Tagging 0.5. 10(7 years ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/992e279fe436 18:37:38 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 18:37:49 <|amethyst> 6 years or so 18:38:11 <|amethyst> either that, or the few people who discovered it were better than usual about keeping it a secret :) 18:38:52 wonder how many parked Ne there are 18:39:16 fr: parked kw 18:39:30 <|amethyst> alive vlong or I guess alive trunk vlong !kw blah 18:40:06 No keyword 'blah' 18:40:18 <|amethyst> !kw blah boring 18:40:19 Defined keyword: blah => boring 18:40:25 good 18:40:36 <|amethyst> !lg . / blah 18:40:38 1210/11953 games for |amethyst: N=1210/11953 (10.12%) 18:40:53 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-1167-g39faa5c: Don't reset targetter when using xm to move monster in wizmode 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/39faa5cfd73f 18:40:58 <|amethyst> !lg @devteamnp s=name / blah o=% 18:40:59 6324/62170 games for @devteamnp: 1421/3560x gammafunk [39.92%], 1/3x galehar [33.33%], 104/577x ontoclasm [18.02%], 26/159x haranp [16.35%], 195/1360x bookofjude [14.34%], 1338/10454x KiloByte [12.80%], 206/1733x bh [11.89%], 406/3530x wheals [11.50%], 65/584x evilmike [11.13%], 1210/11952x Neil [10.12%], 296/3100x MarvinPA [9.55%], 182/2159x dpeg [8.43%], 1/12x jpeg [8.33%], 73/893x erisdiscordia... 18:41:11 <|amethyst> gammafunk is the biggest quitter 18:41:27 when I quit, it's a win 18:41:29 <|amethyst> even beats me in raw number 18:42:03 even beats kb 18:42:17 speaking of targets 18:42:21 FR: remember positioning when spellcasting invisible monsters 18:42:26 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:28 and he was such a good quitter he quit crawl entirely 18:42:29 results in far less button presses 18:42:48 <|amethyst> !lg @devteamnp s=name / blah o=cdist(gid) 18:42:49 Bad filter condition: 'cdist(game_key)' (extra: ) 18:43:05 <|amethyst> forgot how you do that 18:43:16 <|amethyst> sort by group counts rather than percentages 18:43:33 also, maybe it is just me, but I haven't used caps-direction for spells/wands a single time intentionally 18:43:37 <|amethyst> !lg @devteamnp s=name blah 18:43:38 6324 games for @devteamnp (blah): 1421x gammafunk, 1338x KiloByte, 1210x Neil, 406x wheals, 296x MarvinPA, 231x sorear, 206x bh, 195x bookofjude, 182x dpeg, 148x 78291, 126x rob, 104x ontoclasm, 73x erisdiscordia, 65x evilmike, 62x HangedMan, 61x SamB, 28x reaver, 26x haranp, 22x pointless, 20x PleasingFungus, 17x amalloy, 17x Sage, 17x elliptic, 10x evktalo, 9x Lasty, 7x mumra, 5x itsmu, 4x doy, ... 18:43:56 done it several times unintentionally though, due to how caps-directions interact in map overview 18:44:08 maybe there's a way to disable it.. 18:44:11 FIQ: that's true for most people and most targetting commands 18:44:26 i use stuff like VdY for /dig sometimes 18:44:39 occasionally for spells too, i guess 18:45:11 basically I try to move the cursor more quickly to switch autotarget to something else 18:45:20 and I end up wasting a wand charge or something stupid like that 18:45:24 lol 18:45:50 do you know about +? 18:46:05 +? probably not 18:46:17 <|amethyst> you can rebind those btw 18:46:26 it jumps between targets 18:46:32 *valid targets 18:46:43 ah, sounds neat 18:46:45 + is the same as =, right? 18:46:59 never heard of = 18:47:23 <|amethyst> + and = are the same, yes 18:47:42 <|amethyst> and / and ; 18:47:54 <|amethyst> as described in x? 18:47:57 <|amethyst> x??? 18:48:04 <|amethyst> x?? 18:48:04 x e(x)amines a creature or other tile in detail. X e(X)plores the map without moving the character. x and X represent "abominations" of various descriptions. 18:48:06 those are the same as each other, or the same as + and =? 18:48:12 <|amethyst> the same as each other 18:48:26 i've never used / or ;. i do use = and - 18:48:32 <|amethyst> * is like + for items, / is like - for items 18:48:40 oh. i use ' for items 18:49:32 <|amethyst> oh 18:49:32 !lg . day boring 18:49:33 5. gammafunk the Caller (L7 MuSu), quit the game on D:7 on 2016-01-25 20:21:24, with 994 points after 3537 turns and 0:24:41. 18:49:38 wow, five 18:49:42 <|amethyst> I guess ' is * but for some reason not mentioned in x? 18:49:42 !lg . day boring s=char 18:49:43 5 games for gammafunk (day boring): 3x MiBe, 2x MuSu 18:50:09 !lg devteamnp boring day s=name 18:50:10 5 games for devteamnp (boring day): 5x gammafunk 18:55:40 it's not mentioned, huh? i think i learned it in the tutorial 18:56:01 <|amethyst> adding it, but looking at something else before I push 18:59:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-1168-gcbefeb2: Mention ' in x? (amalloy) 10(8 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cbefeb222447 18:59:31 <|amethyst> it would be nice if xm weren't restricted to LOS but I guess that's a bit of a pain since direction() otherwise is 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:23 <|amethyst> (specifically, the second direction() that you just updated) 19:00:58 yeah i agree but that seems like a separate thing 19:01:25 <|amethyst> yeah, I was looking into it and didn't want to open that can of worms just yet 19:01:45 <|amethyst> it would be just a few tweaks and another member in direction_chooser and direction_chooser_args 19:01:53 ??clarity 19:01:54 clarity[1/1]: Prevents confusion, unintentional berserking, and mesmerization (but not fear). Gods can and will ignore it and confuse you anyway. Xom confusion will respect clarity so long as Xom is not feeling nasty. The amulet of clarity was removed in 0.18. 19:01:57 <|amethyst> but that's extra complexity for what is currently just one case 19:02:02 <|amethyst> wizmode-only case 19:02:23 Now that amulet of larity is gone.... would it be so bad for mummies to have intrinsic clarity? 19:02:46 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:03:13 <|amethyst> mummies can worship ash 19:03:14 (they could gain it at XL 13 or whatever, to preserve the "fun" of early mummy confusion) 19:03:28 they can 19:03:39 <|amethyst> my suggestion would be to make their rot restoration ability also cure confusion 19:04:55 I think it's OK for an intrinsic to be granted by one god and one race 19:05:04 before it was one god and one amulet and it wasn't exactly common 19:06:27 <|amethyst> yeah, that's not the problem 19:08:54 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:54 <|amethyst> maybe there are others who are sympathetic to buffing mummies, but I would be wary of making them more powerful than they were before "clarity was removed 19:11:14 <|amethyst> at least, as compensation for removing "clarity 19:14:41 can mummies use petition while confused 19:14:43 I guess not 19:15:05 (s/mummies/one/) 19:16:43 <|amethyst> "I have to admit, I'm a little tempted to get into DCSS now. All the complainers made it sound like in a year or two there would only be a few classes left." 19:17:06 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:21:46 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:33:53 lolwut 19:36:00 Be Su and....hmm 19:36:02 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 19:36:33 let's just have Be Su and Wn if we can only have three 19:36:45 <|amethyst> Be Su Ed 19:36:51 Educator? 19:37:13 <|amethyst> sure 19:37:19 <|amethyst> Editor? 19:37:24 ed 19:37:26 IE Be Su 19:37:40 as in, that's your job, being named ed 19:37:48 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:37:55 <|amethyst> your job is editing text 19:38:07 <|amethyst> you are very good at it, but not so good at talking to people 19:38:11 <|amethyst> all you usually say is "?" 19:38:17 -!- Harudoku` has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:39:14 ? 19:39:23 ...! 19:39:30 * Grunt is the standard text editor. 19:39:42 <|amethyst> If someone managed to get on your good side (which they can do by saying "H"), you are allowed to spit out a few cryptic words at a time 19:39:48 i wonder how much less off-putting ed would be if its prompt were just changed to > instead of ? 19:40:00 :)? 19:40:00 <|amethyst> the ? isn't a prompt, it's an error message 19:40:04 <|amethyst> there is no prompt 19:40:08 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:10 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:11 dang. goes to show how good i am at using ed 19:40:28 i have only ever encountered error states 19:40:31 <|amethyst> I mean, with ed the two concepts are easily confused 19:40:34 <|amethyst> yeah, that :) 19:40:38 obviously not a horse whisperer 19:41:10 that probably only made sense in my head so i'll go back away now 19:41:59 <|amethyst> I'm sure at least some people are familiar with the show 19:42:30 poorly crafted regardless of that 8-) 19:43:47 anyway, i can imagine a few emojis that might convey more information than ? 19:44:40 some versions of ed have a prompt mode (ed -P iirc) 19:45:10 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:45:12 -!- sorlin1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:47:35 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:48:45 <|amethyst> ah, looks like Posix has -p '>' these days 19:49:28 <|amethyst> maybe always has 19:49:59 -!- causative_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:50:00 <|amethyst> ah, I see my confusion 19:50:27 <|amethyst> I have ed(1plan9) in my manual, so man 1p ed gave me that instead of ed(1posix) 19:52:11 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:55:43 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:55:48 -!- Harudoku_ is now known as Harudoku 19:56:03 -!- causative_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:57:37 -!- Harudoku` has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:57:38 -!- Harudoku_ is now known as Harudoku` 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:02:57 just to check, is it supposed to be possible to get two labyrinths in a single game 20:03:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:00 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 20:05:58 no 20:08:19 <|amethyst> !lm Lightli br.enter=lab 20:08:21 <|amethyst> !lm Lightli br.enter=lab -2 20:08:22 231. [2016-01-26 01:01:48] darkli the Spry (L15 HuBe of Trog) entered a Labyrinth on turn 24780. (D:13) 20:08:25 230/231. [2016-01-26 00:19:42] darkli the Basher (L12 HuBe of Trog) entered a Labyrinth on turn 12375. (Lair:2) 20:08:29 <|amethyst> &dump darkli 20:08:30 http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/darkli.txt 20:08:32 The world spins around you as you enter the gateway. _Welcome back to a labyrinth! 20:09:07 Welcome, old friend. 20:09:08 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 20:11:47 <|amethyst> !lm Lightli br.enter=lab -2 x=gid 20:11:49 230/231. [2016-01-26 00:19:42] [game_key=darkli:cszo:20160025235909S] darkli the Basher (L12 HuBe of Trog) entered a Labyrinth on turn 12375. (Lair:2) 20:11:51 <|amethyst> !lm Lightli br.enter=lab -1 x=gid 20:11:53 231. [2016-01-26 01:01:48] [game_key=darkli:cszo:20160026003037S] darkli the Spry (L15 HuBe of Trog) entered a Labyrinth on turn 24780. (D:13) 20:12:00 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:12:11 <|amethyst> that says it's two different games 20:12:12 !log 20:12:13 3550. darkli, XL2 HuBe, T:87: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20160126-011028.txt 20:12:17 !log -2 20:12:18 No games for -2. 20:12:19 <|amethyst> but that doesn't explain the message 20:12:24 <|amethyst> !lg Lightli -2 20:12:25 3549/3550. darkli the Spry (L16 HuBe of Trog), slain by a sixfirhy (summoned by an orc sorcerer) on Orc:1 (elf_legates) on 2016-01-26 01:09:55, with 85863 points after 29411 turns and 0:38:00. 20:12:29 !log . -2 20:12:29 <|amethyst> !log Lightli -2 20:12:30 3549/3550. darkli, XL16 HuBe, T:29411: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20160126-010955.txt 20:12:31 3549/3550. darkli, XL16 HuBe, T:29411: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20160126-010955.txt 20:12:32 <|amethyst> !log Lightli -3 20:12:34 3548/3550. darkli, XL14 HuBe, T:19890: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/darkli/morgue-darkli-20160126-003000.txt 20:12:57 oh 20:13:02 guess that makes more sense then 20:13:10 <|amethyst> doesn't explain the message 20:13:28 <|amethyst> oh 20:13:40 <|amethyst> did you save and reload after entering the lab? 20:13:55 <|amethyst> err, no, that's a different message 20:14:01 i noticed that looking at an iron rod in my inventory, i have to scroll down past the quote in order to get at useful information (scattershot's spell description). shouldn't the quote be at the bottom? 20:16:13 !log * lab 20:16:15 6611. Numor, XL10 HOFi, T:12145: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Numor/morgue-Numor-20160125-184431.txt 20:16:42 <|amethyst> !log * lab quit 20:16:43 186. Leszczynek, XL11 DsGl, T:10595: http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Leszczynek/morgue-Leszczynek-20160117-003152.txt 20:17:07 <|amethyst> that one's the usual message sequence 20:17:15 <|amethyst> I just entered a lab and got the usual sequence too 20:17:16 why are insects not mindless anymore, btw? 20:17:33 * Grunt calls on amalloy to defend him! amalloy goes berserk! 20:17:55 <|amethyst> %git 802644fa 20:17:55 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-476-g802644f: Give insects animal intelligence 10(8 weeks ago, 2 files, 32+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/802644fa305f 20:18:12 i just killholed a queen ant, then realized i really could not deal with her. pacified her, and now i am getting xp for her killing other ants on the way out 20:18:56 i actually think that last sentence is untrue: i noticed insects having animal intelligence long before i played ely 20:19:09 killer bees are a lot harder to cope with now that they don't get clogged up in doorways 20:19:13 and don't step into fire 20:19:41 <|amethyst> they weren't ever mindless, but xv listed them as such 20:20:19 -!- eb has quit [] 20:22:42 whaaaaat? 20:22:43 <|amethyst> !lm lightli br.enter=lab -tv:<0.1 20:22:46 231. darkli, XL15 HuBe, T:24780 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 20:23:07 how did xv list them as mindless if they weren't? they certainly acted dumber than they do now 20:23:29 <|amethyst> the scale used to go 20:23:42 <|amethyst> mindless < insect < animal < normal < high 20:23:45 <|amethyst> before that it was 20:23:50 <|amethyst> mindless < insect < reptile < animal < normal < high 20:23:53 <|amethyst> before that it was 20:23:56 <|amethyst> mindless < insect = reptile < animal < normal < high 20:24:31 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:24:42 <|amethyst> let me find some commits 20:25:24 now it's like...mindless < animal < normal < high? or do we not even have high? 20:25:36 <|amethyst> no high 20:25:42 <|amethyst> mindless < animal < normal 20:26:05 at least that's easier to keep track of 20:26:48 <|amethyst> ah, I was slightly wrong 20:26:51 <|amethyst> %git d63ab3c 20:26:51 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-1116-gd63ab3c: Simplify monster intelligence 10(8 months ago, 28 files, 552+ 639-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d63ab3c59aa3 20:27:26 <|amethyst> before the current set of states, it was plant < insect < reptile < animal < normal < high 20:27:39 <|amethyst> since that commit, insects have been moved around 20:27:48 <|amethyst> %git 802644fa 20:27:48 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-476-g802644f: Give insects animal intelligence 10(8 weeks ago, 2 files, 32+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/802644fa305f 20:28:14 <|amethyst> so insects were mindless for longer than I thought 20:28:22 <|amethyst> I had been thinking it was just a week or two 20:28:25 insects are definitely way tougher since that change 20:28:34 I can assure you ely pacification most certainly is not the most noticeable effect 20:28:40 yeah 20:28:48 getting chased around the dungeon by a worm is pretty funny 20:28:52 they just won't stop!!! 20:29:03 well moreso killer bee packs no longer get stuck everywhere 20:29:10 clearly should be listed in the power creep thread... 20:29:13 idk about chasing worms 20:29:31 <|amethyst> could make it so that insects don't chase you around so thoroughly, but still aren't completely mindless 20:29:40 !tell wheals I wrote a thing for you https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikedev/comments/4236j9/faq_friday_30_message_logs/czbyovk 20:29:40 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 20:29:49 <|amethyst> perhaps by giving them an intelligence level between mindless and animal 20:29:54 bold... 20:30:36 I think it's better for insects to be more threatening than to re-add more intelligence complexity; we could always nerf their actual stats, pack sizes, w/e if we felt it was appropriate 20:30:45 PleasingFungus: thanks! 20:30:46 just my opinion tho 20:30:52 my offloading of all my work continues........ 20:30:54 <|amethyst> I do think that being able to tweak AI dials is good 20:30:56 wheals: not sure if there was something else I should cover 20:31:02 just wrote some stuff matching up with what other people had 20:31:09 funny that nethack is behind where we were five years ago 20:31:10 <|amethyst> but old intelligence level probably isn't the right dial 20:31:53 why is that funny 20:31:57 PleasingFungus: over 5000!!!!! 20:31:59 nethack hasn't been updated since forever 20:32:07 that's also funny 20:32:07 <|amethyst> it has 20:32:10 <|amethyst> well 20:32:14 <|amethyst> not in important ways I guess 20:32:21 3.4.3 came out in 2003 20:32:28 -!- PleasingFungus has left ##crawl-dev 20:32:31 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:33 what about 20:32:36 the big release!!! 20:32:38 <|amethyst> kvaak: I have news for you 20:32:40 wasn't there some big update a few months ago 20:32:50 <|amethyst> 3.6.0 was released in December 20:32:50 fuck I spoiled the news :( 20:33:03 rip... 20:33:46 <|amethyst> though it's more like 3.4.4 in terms of features 20:34:03 yes 20:34:15 <|amethyst> maybe that's not entirely fair, but there's nothing like the race/class split or new magic system or anything like that 20:34:27 <|amethyst> "new" magic system 20:34:35 !send |amethyst the wizard patch 20:34:36 Sending the wizard patch to |amethyst. 20:34:38 they did finally nerf E at least 20:34:46 !nerf wheals 20:34:47 * Sequell nerfs wheals!!! 20:35:17 !buff wheals 20:35:26 i see Sequell is programmed properly 20:35:33 !nerf !buff 20:35:34 * Sequell nerfs !buff!!! 20:35:49 !nerf !!buff 20:35:50 * Sequell nerfs !!buff!!! 20:36:16 !nerf everything!!! $(!flip) 20:36:16 * Sequell nerfs everything!!! (╯°□°)╯︵┻━┻!!! 20:41:31 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43:54 -!- Organism has quit [Client Quit] 20:45:30 so what's being nerfed 20:46:02 -!- Floodkiller has joined ##crawl-dev 20:46:23 !nerf Lightli 20:46:24 * Sequell nerfs Lightli!!! 20:46:30 rip 20:46:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1169-g9e37365: Enlarge the Zombified Lernaean Hydra (10238) 10(48 seconds ago, 13 files, 25+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e373652dddd 20:47:00 <|amethyst> btw, it might require not compressing our save files, but... 20:47:20 <|amethyst> actually it would require a lot more than that, but... 20:47:49 <|amethyst> I like this nethack 4 "saves on every action" thing 20:48:17 <|amethyst> well, at least reading about it, I haven't actually played 20:48:20 haha 20:48:38 does sound cool 20:50:16 what if i need to save-scum, |amethyst?!?! 20:50:20 that would fix the occasional crash on my server resetting level progress but not rng state 20:50:30 so you can replay a level more optimally 20:50:49 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:50:58 <|amethyst> well, resetting or not rng state wouldn't matter a lot there 20:51:13 <|amethyst> because it's trivial for the player to advance the RNG state and then you're no longer in sync 20:51:59 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:52:07 <|amethyst> the problem is, I would rather not write out the whole level and the entire player on every action 20:52:19 <|amethyst> so we'd probably want either some kind of transactional system 20:53:03 <|amethyst> or something 20:53:10 <|amethyst> s/either // 20:53:28 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:53:37 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:53:47 <|amethyst> actually, I guess the real problem is forcing syncs 20:55:05 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:55:06 nethack4 seems goes to the (next-to-)last diff whenever there's a desync 20:55:13 s/seems/seems to 20:55:23 wait, that's still not grammatical 20:55:26 whatever 20:56:11