00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:44 or I could just let this be and shrug 00:02:26 !send PleasingFungus $(!shrug) 00:02:26 Sending ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ to PleasingFungus. 00:02:50 nice... 00:03:22 hum, I had some note somewhere about a beogh change I was contemplating 00:03:29 I guess I didn't actually write it down 00:04:36 Is it on page 2727 of the TODO 00:05:11 would you believe that I meticulously maintain an 81-page limit on that list 00:05:17 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:05:42 [you shouldn't, because my editor doesn't display separate pages. it's just a one-page list!] 00:11:42 -!- xnavy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:12:15 Is there a reason for having transmutations time out? 00:13:47 makes spellpower matter for stuff like blade hands. 00:13:57 The time limit never seems to actuall make things harder, but mostly just ends up being tedious. 00:13:58 blade hands, beastly appendage, maybe some others? 00:14:18 Yea, but couldn't you just use the end tranform ability, and recast? 00:14:29 what 00:15:08 Don't transmutations give an ability to end the transformation? 00:15:12 Yes. 00:15:53 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:56 So if you've significantly increased spellpower since last casting it, you could just end bladehands then recast. 00:16:50 You've misunderstood me. 00:17:03 The only thing that spellpower does for blade hands is increase its duration. 00:17:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:19:05 I think what mrmyers is saying is that tmuts should be permanent but spellpower should do something else 00:19:25 That's an opinion someone could hold, sure. 00:19:28 this makes some spells arguably OP for the level they are 00:19:37 beastly appendage for example 00:19:39 It feels like that's moving toward rmsl, which is the opposite of the thing we're really doing. 00:19:48 I think it's adding more problems than it fixes. 00:19:51 Is the duration shorter than one killmob? 00:19:52 a level 1 spell that allows you to acquire monstrous muts w/o drawbacks 00:20:07 what is a killmob? 00:20:29 A unit of time equal to the amount of time it takes to kill one mob. 00:21:15 That's not a real time unit, of course. 00:21:22 What are you trying to get at? 00:21:34 Because if the duration of a spell is shorter than a killmob, it seems like the duration doesn't really balance or affect anything. 00:21:59 Can you explain yourself a little more? 00:22:04 I don't understand. 00:22:28 The game is mostly exploring from encounter to encounter. A lot of time is spent in exploring and moving around, punctuated by brief periods of critical activity fighting. 00:23:48 Any duration longer than the amount of time it takes to complete one encounter but shorter than the amount of time it takes to reach the next has effectively the same duration. 00:26:57 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1157-g59db91b (34) 00:26:59 Does that seem reasonable? 00:27:04 Roughly. 00:28:37 Spellpower doesn't matter that much for many tmuts, e.g. spider form, since their durations are long enough that they'll last through most fights without trouble. This is basically okay, since transmuters are hybrids; their spells need to be useful with limited spellpower for their archetype to work. 00:29:32 For other tmuts, e.g. beastly appendage & blade hands, the spellpower does matter, because their base duration is so short that it can easily run out in one fight. 00:30:10 Ah. Yea, that's what I was trying to ask when I asked if the duration was shorter than a 'killmob' 00:30:23 You can say, okay, make the *other* tmuts not expire. But then you run into the problem of spell failure chance basically not mattering; recast the spell until it works, and then you're good forever. 80% fail chance? Who cares? 00:30:51 This is less true with higher level tmuts, because the miscasts get nastier, but it's still a concern, and it's a real problem that you see with e.g. rmsl/dmsl today. 00:31:04 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:33:43 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:34:22 True, but since tmut removes a lot of bonuses and egos, it makes being able to switch more important (ideally) 00:35:21 So 80% would still mean you can't switch from spider to ice form when running up against a poisonous enemy. 00:35:30 it's less of a problem than for generic charms like *msl, yes. but I can easily imagine a tmut turning into a spider as soon as they hit xl 2 and sticking with it f for the next several floors. 00:35:37 (reliably at least) 00:35:49 and that'd be a huge xp advantage - not having to worry about investing in tmut and just doing uc/fighting/dodging for a while 00:36:52 -!- bonghitz has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:37:15 Is that a bad thing? They lose the ability to do blade hands, etc, and instead try to make themselves a little sturdier. 00:37:40 Then when things start hitting really hard they're unprepared for dealing with it. 00:37:50 Not at all. 00:38:56 This is getting pretty deep into the hypothetical, but as I was imagining it, you'd focus on non-casting skills for a few floors, and then focus on casting shortly before a 'normal' tmuter would get blade hands online - same xp distribution at the end, but a big advantage earlier. 00:39:37 -!- eb has quit [] 00:40:55 Well, since spider form seems uniquely situated there, would introducing a different effect of spellpower be appropriate? 00:41:10 I don't think it's unique for spider form. 00:41:33 Like, how reliably can you poison monsters? What's the ev reduction? etc. 00:41:55 Grunt: you took my name in vain? 00:42:46 lol, just saw the hog ally changes take effect 00:42:50 (for unrelated reasons) 00:43:09 "Orkwin picks up an uncursed broad axe. Orkwin wields an uncursed broad axe." 00:43:12 oh well 00:43:27 tbh, I'm mostly griping because recasting lichform is tedious. 00:43:29 "porkwin" 00:43:45 I think that's because lichform is a weird fucking spell. 00:43:47 ontoclasm, not correct 00:43:53 it's a shapeshifter 00:44:06 but the changes seem to affect those as well, which makes sense 00:44:07 Yea, but it's pretty fun. 00:44:13 I absolutely do not support changing the way that all tmuts work to support necromut, since necromut is a weird little spell. 00:44:19 (it turned into a snapping turtle, then into a frost giant) 00:44:35 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:36 Ok, howabout changing necromut? 00:44:49 necromut is also a garbage spell 00:44:53 OK. What is the design goal for necromut? 00:45:16 a newbtrap? 00:45:25 [The thing here is, a transmuter even a transmuter who skills 'normally', early on, is not gonna make a big difference in spellpower vs one who doesn't - the int and the xp are just too low. You can improve your cast chance, but you're going to have pretty low spellpower either way - so it's hard to balance low-level tmuts around spellpower, since the range is so small.] 00:45:38 how do shapeshifters work anyway 00:45:39 ugh, that sentence could have used some more revisions 00:45:44 ??shapeshifter 00:45:44 shapeshifter[1/3]: Nasty creature which tends to turn into whatever creature you are least equipped to handle. Kill quickly, or drain to death, as polymorphing heals. If you see a missile-loving monster that doesn't shoot you, it's probably a shapeshifter. 00:45:56 Er, doesn't time out? Maybe make 'end transformation' cost a few more mp and more difficulty to compensate? 00:45:58 that *was* a bit of a run-on PF 00:46:11 that's what I get for composing in the message bar! 00:46:16 lol 00:46:30 -!- Snack-o is now known as Snack_ 00:46:30 mrmyers: No, I mean: why does the spell necromutation exist? What justification does it have? How does it make the game more fun? 00:46:38 shapeshifter is HD based, right 00:46:41 Yes. 00:46:57 people incredibly overvalue the rtorment 00:47:06 -!- West1C_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:47:11 got it 00:47:58 PleasingFungus: It lets you toggle undead status when and where it's an asset/hinderance? 00:48:02 and I guess the less HD x monsters (where x is whatever HD the shapeshifter has), the less shapeshifting 00:48:06 i feel like necro is barely worth doing anymore 00:48:24 which isn't true per se 00:48:27 That's why it's useful for players. Why is it good for the game that players have the ability to toggle undead status? 00:48:45 Doesn't it kind of reduce the whole point of having undead species - something like a mummy, which is penalized very harshly for being undead? 00:48:52 Or a ghoul. 00:49:04 i'm totally on board here pf 00:49:17 What's the point of those existing if, by the time 'being undead' matters [when torment shows up, extended], anyone can just cast necromut and steal all of the advantages? 00:49:21 No, because they get all of the benefits for all of the early game until its castable. 00:49:28 What are the early-game benefits? 00:49:39 also I thought non-spellcasters couldn't turn into one? or are shapeshifters special cased 00:49:50 They can spam sif channel or staff of energy as soon as it's available. 00:49:59 * ProzacElf blinks 00:50:00 Considering the fact that this snapping turtle shapeshifted into a frost giant (non-spellcaster->spellcaster) 00:50:33 Pretty narrow sort of advantage. Certainly not as dramatic as rTorment, etc. 00:50:54 i *do* kind of like necromut in as much as it makes people forget that borg and ddoor exist 00:51:10 and those are two of the best spells in the game 00:51:26 ProzacElf: Or Regenerate 00:51:36 sure 00:51:49 regen is pretty much a requirement 00:51:56 I untransform all the time to regen. 00:51:57 is this going to lead to necromutation no longer existing 00:51:59 if you plan to do extended 00:52:22 To a pure caster it's pretty dramatic. 00:52:59 who is a pure caster by the time it matters? 00:53:15 i ask that because i'm never a pure caster 00:53:21 Er, I almost always am. 00:53:23 There are people who play that way. 00:53:29 It's not wise, but it's not unheard of. 00:53:36 ok, fine 00:53:47 what is a pure caster, exactly 00:53:50 is lichform that big a boon then? 00:54:14 If it's someone who wears a robe and does very light melee, that's not too bad of a char to play really, and it's far from merely unheard of 00:54:21 i always make sure to have 14 skill in staff/lbl/something 00:54:45 *not unheard of 00:54:57 well, i never wear a robe, but that's just me 00:55:03 lichform is a boon mostly for the free resists (i.e. poison immunity, rC+, negative energy immunity in general) 00:55:09 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:55:10 like ignore the rtorment part 00:55:12 but you need to have some fighting and dodging 00:55:13 and the ignore hunger 00:55:21 it just makes you need less equipment to be safe in extended 00:56:01 yeah it has a lot of attendant benefits, it's just not terribly wise to train the skills to cast it 00:56:30 Unless you're a DE 00:56:39 what does it require? tmut and necro? 00:56:42 yeah 00:56:48 Doesn't matter whether you're a DE really 00:56:51 it's the tmut part that really hurts 00:56:59 yeah 00:57:14 ddoor is so much better 00:57:17 imo 00:57:44 Like, aside from the issue of whether necromut should or shouldn't exist 00:57:56 i don't actually care 00:58:12 necromut seems like a newb trap to me 00:58:14 In the hypothetical situation where it should exist, is there a reason it should time out? 00:58:16 I like necromut mostly just because it's fun; it does have some tradeoffs that are interesting, I just wish it had more 3-rune relevance and that the interface were better 00:58:32 I don't play much 3 rune. 00:58:51 Well for designing things we generally like them to be relevant to 3-rune 00:58:52 Depends on why it should exist. I don't think you can say whether or not necromut should do anything without having a justification for what design goal it serves to begin with. 00:58:54 well, it should timeout for the same reason any other tmut spell should 00:58:57 imo 00:59:16 I don't think "design goal" is terribly much a thing 00:59:39 That's because you're a philistine. 00:59:41 * ProzacElf pastes gammafunk's quote to reddit =p 00:59:51 Yea, but unless the duration is longer than it takes for one encounter, it's mostly just tedious. 00:59:55 can't even manage a grammatical sentence... 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:06 *unless ... isn't 01:00:27 yeah, that's the second time you've inverted that logic 01:00:31 wait 01:00:38 makes me have to re-read :P 01:00:40 I'd love to know what coherent design goal Chei fullfills aside from "fun" 01:00:46 Make your character worse 01:00:54 Sorry X-( 01:00:54 It's a different playstyle. 01:00:59 nbd 01:01:02 so is necromutation? 01:01:04 lol 01:01:09 gammafunk: You can't run away; in exchange, you're better at everything. 01:01:15 is necromutation a playstyle? 01:01:29 i punch myself in the balls when i get ready to take chei 01:01:31 PleasingFungus: you can't be tormented, in exchange, you can get dispelled and have a hard time drinking 01:01:37 boom design goal target reached 01:02:03 Man, you can't have the tradeoff for a buff be "the buff might get removed!" 01:02:07 that's not a real tradeoff!!! 01:02:33 Well it is a tradeoff, while it's up you can't do things and are vulnerable to things 01:02:40 So, confusion is instadeath isn't a tradeoff? 01:02:43 oh, now 'my balls exploded' isn't a legit tradeoff? 01:02:51 so many questions 01:02:52 so little time 01:03:05 confusion is instadeath? when? 01:03:38 You can't quaff potions of curing. 01:03:56 well, you shouldn't have necromuted 01:04:03 that's not instant death... 01:04:03 or been a mummy 01:04:05 It's not instadeath, but yeah that's a tradeoff 01:04:12 PleasingFungus: what would you change about necromutation then? 01:04:12 the actual tradeoff that the existence of necromut adds to the game, as I see it, is "you can exchange a *ton* of xp for immunity to many extended threats." 01:04:28 and for hungerlessness, for w/e that's worth. 01:04:36 i don't see the problem 01:04:39 sif muna channeling spam? 01:04:53 (or staff of wucad mu if you're hilariously lucky) 01:04:59 I mean, that wasn't a statement of something wrong in itself. just a description of what necromutation is. 01:05:33 i like to hit things when that type of problem comes up 01:05:38 The hungerlessness is the main reason I do it on DE's after the first l9 is secure. 01:05:50 haha 01:05:56 but i concede that it isn't the only way to handle it 01:05:58 "Orkwin the sphinx changes into an apis! Orkwin is enraged by your evilness!" pffffff 01:06:19 lol 01:06:48 I think this tunnel vision of design goals is something that's being selectively applied to one aspect of the game for no particular reason 01:07:20 Things I think could improve about necromute: make it a bit more relevant to 3-runes, improve the interface 01:07:35 hmm 01:07:43 gammafunk: agreed with the latter 01:07:47 not sure what you mean by the former 01:08:04 But ignoring hunger and torment in exchange for increased susceptibility to other things is fine; necromute could make it harder to toggle itself, certainly 01:08:22 PF, i love you like a brother, but i need to see results before i agree 01:08:35 You could even imagine a one-way transition, but then it's hard to make it a spell, and I'd like it to not be an extremely rare kind of thing 01:08:36 ProzacElf: ? 01:08:51 yeah, permanent effects should not be spells 01:08:54 lol 01:09:10 failure chance and spellpower don't really make sense on permanent character-changing effects 01:09:30 But I'm fine with something like having a fairly heavy drain cost upon leaving the form 01:09:35 i just mean that necromut should need a lot skill-wise 01:09:37 they're pretty iffy on terrain-changing stuff... repeatedly casting lrd/shatter on stuff is dumb, though they work fine in combat 01:10:15 Perhaps something like torment upon leaving the form could work; harder to use in combat 01:10:28 gammafunk: do you think that the l9 spells should be more relevant in 3-rune? 01:10:36 no? 01:10:49 do people really use it that way? 01:10:50 But they're more relevant in 3-rune than necromute is 01:11:06 somewhat, but still very dubious for most characters, I'd think 01:11:14 everyone but de really 01:11:36 Well cheibriados is relevant in no games period, if you want to get down to it 01:11:42 fwiw, tornado is the only L9 spell i've used 01:11:43 I mean, I don't think this is a problem really 01:11:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1157-g59db91b (34) 01:11:56 lotta speedruns been made with chei... :) 01:12:04 sorry, what's a speedrun? 01:12:17 just sayin'... just super saiyan.... 01:12:24 i actually agree with gamma here 01:12:37 wow, BIG mistake 01:12:43 i know i haven't coded a damned thing 01:12:47 lol 01:12:53 chei is a god that makes you worse, which isn't terribly smart, but it's a thing people enjoy; sinking xp into L9 isn't terribly smart, but people enjoy it 01:12:56 same idea 01:13:07 ^^ 01:13:42 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:13:46 I mean, a better game would have L9 not like that, sure, but that'd be a pretty big change for the game 01:14:09 that's the wrong way to put it 01:14:26 i think the L9 spells are great as they are 01:14:40 even if minmay wants to bitch 01:14:56 It feels really dubious to me - it feels like you're taking the rule-of-thumb of "design everything to be relevant in 3-rune" to an almost absurd extreme, as if you want to completely remove extended from the game's design. 01:15:29 -!- Hellmonk has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:30 I've never really played a 3-rune game tbh. 01:15:57 !lg * won s=urune 01:15:58 38175 games for * (won): 18013x 3, 8517x 15, 5899x 4, 2944x 5, 733x 6, 370x 10, 341x 7, 336x 14, 259x 9, 237x 8, 189x 11, 117x 12, 109x 13, 98x 0, 8x 1, 5x 2 01:15:58 but some things that are subopitmal but really good are still good 01:16:12 !lg * recent won s=urune 01:16:13 11925 games for * (recent won): 5657x 3, 2981x 15, 1658x 4, 1003x 5, 222x 6, 109x 10, 84x 7, 47x 8, 45x 9, 42x 11, 39x 14, 18x 12, 18x 13, 2x 0 01:16:23 It just seems like so many of the fun parts of the game are left for extended. 01:16:24 !lg * recent won urune=0 01:16:25 2. FishServ the Slayer (L27 DsHu of Okawaru), escaped with the Orb on 2015-11-01 12:07:35, with 0 points after 73454 turns and 8:12:22. 01:16:30 hm 01:16:38 PleasingFungus: doom hounds? 01:16:49 ProzacElf: yes? 01:17:15 !lg * recent won urune=0 1 -log 01:17:17 1/2. dontdoit, XL27 MiFi, T:80217: https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/dontdoit/morgue-dontdoit-20150701-033700.txt 01:17:32 !lg * recent won urune=0 s=src 01:17:32 i'm not trying to give you shit, i want to know why you thought they needed to be in tar 01:17:33 2 games for * (recent won urune=0): 2x cpo 01:17:50 ProzacElf: in tar, as opposed to...? or in the game at all? 01:17:58 !lg * recent won urune=0 s=cv 01:17:59 2 games for * (recent won urune=0): 0.18-a, 0.17-a 01:18:06 I wonder if this was known 01:18:16 i mean, i guess 'at all' 01:18:29 i'm just curious 01:18:43 i was opposed to them anyway 01:18:47 Heh. 01:18:53 There's a general sentiment that tar is the easiest and most boring hell. 01:19:23 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1157-g59db91b (34) 01:19:33 I wanted to liven it up; I also wanted to bring back spirit wolves, because I thought that they were a decent idea buried under a very poor implementation. 01:19:37 That turned out to be more complicated than I expected! 01:19:41 ok, i can buy that to some degreee 01:19:48 lol 01:19:59 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/scoring/players/fishserv.html check out the dshu score here 01:20:00 #8 01:20:15 can you see why everyone hated them? 01:20:21 Oh, of course. 01:20:23 I loathed them. 01:20:25 They were awful. 01:20:26 lol 01:20:32 Because the numbers were all wrong! 01:20:44 They weren't threatening enemies, and their effect took ten times longer than it should've. 01:21:11 It wasn't a fundamental mechanical issue, it was just terrible, terrible balancing! And instead of them getting balanced, they were removed. 01:21:12 wait 01:21:23 Along with forest. 01:21:25 rip. 01:21:36 thank god 01:21:40 were you responsible for spirit wolves? 01:21:44 No. 01:21:45 That was DO. 01:21:52 The late, departed DO. 01:21:52 lol 01:21:56 yeah, i thought so 01:22:04 <3 draco 01:22:08 agreedo 01:22:27 lol 01:22:41 pity about all the drama, but they seem to be doing well enough at their current non-crawl-related occupations, so everyone's happy in the end. 01:22:50 hey 01:23:05 i'm not trying to tell you you're wrong 01:23:26 i just want to tell you doom hounds sucked =p 01:23:35 I think it's a good idea if everything is least somewhat useful on at least some characters for the main game, high level spells don't quite do this well enough. I'd care more about extended if extended were more interesting 01:23:36 well, they've been redesigned, so now they're cool. 01:23:49 yeah, they seem ok 01:23:50 !lg * ikiller="doom hound" 01:23:51 14. laz the Meteorologist (L27 DEWz of Sif Muna), slain by a doom hound on Zig:25 on 2016-01-18 08:18:51, with 1040988 points after 75710 turns and 4:24:11. 01:23:54 Maybe extended will get there some day 01:24:04 gammafunk: it's getting better, probably 01:24:05 slowly 01:24:17 cookie clicker is getting better slowly 01:24:20 is it 01:24:23 they added new morsels 01:24:27 I don't know what that is. 01:24:46 you know like, new types of flavored chips? 01:24:58 I've never played Cookie Clicker. 01:25:02 I hear there were grandmas. 01:25:13 not just chocolate chips, but also asparagas flavored chips 01:25:30 I think my friend told me about it when it started, but it seemed extremely stupid, so I didn't play it. 01:25:36 ok I'm faking it, there's no new version of cookie clicker 01:25:39 haha 01:25:44 you had me totally fooled! 01:26:02 how many kills do iron giants have? 01:26:10 they are murderous 01:26:12 !lg * killer="iron giant" 01:26:13 61. Gorice the Impregnable (L27 GhWn of Okawaru), blasted by an iron giant (iron shot) on Depths:5 (grunt_runaround) on 2016-01-21 21:25:00, with 582961 points after 87302 turns and 10:03:07. 01:26:14 my guess: THREE 01:26:18 close enough 01:26:23 !lg * killer="iron giant" s=kmsg 01:26:24 Unknown field: kmsg 01:26:27 feh 01:26:27 TIMES TWENTY PLUS ONE 01:26:30 I never remember the right one 01:26:32 lol 01:26:38 it's not ktyp, it's... 01:26:38 .spidertomb 01:26:39 1. SevenDeadlySins the Unseen (L18 SpEn of Gozag), slain by a death scarab on Spider:4 (floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb) on 2016-01-18 09:32:06, with 237637 points after 57051 turns and 2:56:57. 01:26:42 rip 01:26:45 ckaux? 01:26:47 i used TWO sacks of spiders 01:26:53 and several blinks 01:26:53 ty! 01:26:57 I mean, I'd be tempted to try some kind of huge redesign of chunks of extended or whatever. But that would require fighting tooth and nail for a design 01:27:14 and that is incredibly tiring and demoralizing and unfun for me 01:27:27 i know you guys want to make murderous monsters 01:27:31 yeah, the challenge of making drastic fixes in a big game with a lot of people working on it 01:27:31 so instead I tinker around with random small things 01:27:34 and i won't really argue 01:27:49 but i think they should be fairly rare 01:27:51 ProzacElf: blame gammafunk 01:27:57 .doomed 01:27:58 14. laz the Meteorologist (L27 DEWz of Sif Muna), slain by a doom hound on Zig:25 on 2016-01-18 08:18:51, with 1040988 points after 75710 turns and 4:24:11. 01:28:07 I wonder if they need even more 01:28:20 -!- njorth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:28:25 even more doom or even more hound 01:28:31 lol 01:28:31 more doom, I'd think 01:28:34 I think the hound is fine 01:28:43 but hard to say, since blame wasn't working until the other day 01:28:53 imo give it another month or so and then check back 01:28:57 Make it like that monster eye in final fantasy 01:29:03 see how the doom to hound ratio is workign out 01:29:05 puts a countdown timer on you until you die 01:29:08 heh 01:29:46 i made a chaos marine in 40k 01:29:53 ??dorokhle 01:29:53 dorokhle ~ doroklohe ~ tomb of doroklohe[1/2]: Creates rock walls in one or more adjacent squares, destroying traps and displacing items (but not monsters) in the process; now only seen as the effect of the Tomb card and may be cast by {Khufu}. 01:30:02 have to look up the spelling every time 01:30:21 and he can basically annhiliate anyone who can't run up on him 01:31:31 @??khufu 01:31:31 Khufu (04M) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 204-284 | AC/EV: 10/6 | Dam: 35 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 8902 | Sp: sum.emperor scorpions, smiting (7-17), s.torment, sum.undead, t.doroklohe [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:31:42 so silly how he has that spell 01:31:56 I mean, it's cool thematically but you can just dig him out... 01:32:06 man, fuck khufu 01:32:18 he needs to imprison the player or something 01:32:42 it says hp 204-284 01:32:45 inprison and then spam smite lol 01:32:50 it really means 284 01:33:50 here's a funny question for you 01:34:00 what happens if khufu decides to cast tomb while at full hp? 01:34:13 why would he? 01:34:15 or while next to an enemy? 01:34:23 dunno, what? 01:34:27 he'll blink! 01:34:38 the tomb of dorokhle code is very bad 01:34:41 and I don't like it 01:35:03 !source mon-cast.cc:6057 01:35:04 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-cast.cc#l6057 01:35:46 also the reuse of the nonsense variable 'sumcount' for two different, unrelated things in the same function... 01:35:56 neither of which is a count of summons 01:36:53 <|amethyst> don't forget sumcount2 01:37:31 must I 01:37:35 <|amethyst> I think someone didn't believe in, or didn't know about, putting a { } block in a case 01:37:45 you must! 01:38:01 <|amethyst> or assumed that "more variables = more stack space" regardless of scope 01:38:23 ugh 01:38:30 certainly an ideology of reusing variables 01:38:34 hence loopy, frungy, etc 01:38:36 or w/e they were 01:38:53 <|amethyst> how many of those used to be globals I wonder 01:39:11 <|amethyst> (given what I've seen of 1.x code, "most") 01:39:17 why must i have to respect kentucky just because you live there, |amethyst? 01:40:28 clearly i was full of shit 01:40:39 <|amethyst> kentucky is full of shit 01:40:49 lol 01:40:51 obv 01:40:55 kentucky fried chicken, or just Kentucky? 01:41:03 former I'd grant as being full of shit 01:41:20 oh man 01:41:33 i want a bucket of popeye's 01:41:39 <|amethyst> are you disrespectin the colonel, son? 01:42:17 <|amethyst> (I'm vegetarian, I haven't eaten at KFC in 15 years) 01:42:24 lol 01:42:34 <|amethyst> (no, wait, I think I had a biscuit 10 years back) 01:42:43 mmmmm' 01:42:46 <|amethyst> (their biscuits are full of shit, I'll grant you) 01:42:46 I have eaten at KFC once in my life. 01:43:04 popeye's is way better than kfc 01:43:18 <|amethyst> ISTR that being the case, yes 01:43:23 <|amethyst> but it's been a while :) 01:43:29 and yes, i'm sure it's terrible for you 01:43:47 <|amethyst> I have had Popeye's shrimp more recently than KFC 01:43:58 <|amethyst> because I believe invertebrates are honorary vegetables 01:44:08