00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:17 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:04:18 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:05:45 -!- West1C has quit [] 00:10:39 .spidertomb 00:10:40 No games for * (kmap=floodkiller_spider_rune_tomb). 00:10:44 you can be the first entry 00:11:05 but if you enter it now you're fine 00:11:12 since cszo rebuilds at midnight 00:11:20 other servers rebuild at different times 00:13:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:56 -!- sitnaltax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:20:18 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:20:52 I was punished for my cowardice with the Arachne vault 00:21:28 !send Floodkiller spark wasps 00:21:29 Sending spark wasps to Floodkiller. 00:21:37 !lg * current trunk spider s=cikiller 00:21:41 562 games for * (current trunk spider): 96x a wolf spider, 73x an orb spider, 49x an emperor scorpion, 40x a spark wasp, 37x a redback, 33x a ghost moth, 33x an entropy weaver, 25x a jumping spider, 20x a tarantella, 18x a hornet, 17x Nikola, 15x a demonic crawler, 13x, 8x a trapdoor spider, 7x Arachne, 7x a torpor snail, 7x a player ghost, 6x Norris, 6x Aizul, 5x Asterion, 5x the player character... 00:21:46 dang 00:22:01 !lg * current trunk depths s=cikiller 00:22:05 wait, hold on 00:22:05 587 games for * (current trunk depths): 41x a spark wasp, 36x an iron giant, 29x a stone giant, 26x a fire giant, 25x a juggernaut, 22x a frost giant, 19x, 19x a caustic shrike, 17x a very ugly thing, 17x a spriggan air mage, 17x a spriggan berserker, 14x a lich, 14x an ice dragon, 14x a yaktaur captain, 13x an ettin, 12x the Enchantress, 12x a titan, 12x a spriggan defender, 11x a vampire knight,... 00:22:14 5x the player character? 00:22:23 !lg * current trunk spider cikiller=the_player_character s=ktyp,ckaux 00:22:25 5 games for * (current trunk spider cikiller=the_player_character): 5x beam (2x exploding inner flame, bolt of lightning, fireball, by divine providence) 00:22:37 !lg * current trunk spider cikiller=the_player_character ckaux=by_divine_providence 00:22:40 1. bbqv3 the Severer (L17 HOFi of Makhleb), blasted by a balrug (divine providence) (summoned by the player character) on Spider:4 (grunt_spider_rune_circles) on 2015-12-17 11:59:36, with 179828 points after 33891 turns and 1:36:44. 00:22:50 ouch 00:22:56 !lg * current trunk ikiller~~wrath 00:22:59 28. Holmes the Shield-Bearer (L5 FoFi), mangled by a moth of wrath on D:1 (shiori_arrival_oz) on 2016-01-17 05:02:35, with 118 points after 1264 turns and 0:05:24. 00:23:03 good 00:23:13 !lg * current trunk ikiller~~wrath_of 00:23:15 how do you even die to a moth of wrath 00:23:16 4. flyleaff the Skirmisher (L8 DDAr of Pakellas), killed by a stone arrow invoked by the wrath of Vehumet on D:6 on 2016-01-10 00:53:10, with 1364 points after 4388 turns and 0:22:36. 00:23:27 I almost did once 00:23:28 on D:1? 00:23:30 gammafunk: remember that other gods have other "wrath"s 00:23:32 @??moth_of_wrath 00:23:32 moth of wrath (04y) | Spd: 12 | HD: 9 | HP: 43-58 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 2505(rage) | fly | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 503 | Sp: berserk other [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: animal. 00:23:37 dam 25 man 00:23:40 because I figured it was a great idea to dig open the wall to one for free exp 00:23:43 what on d:1 can do dam 25 00:23:47 didn't anticipate that it would actually hurt 00:23:52 gammafunk: Hell Sentinels 00:23:56 OOD orc priest could get close 00:24:00 (I survived, but was damaged more than what I was comfortable with) 00:24:09 @??hell_sentinel 00:24:09 Hell Sentinel (071) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 121-168 | AC/EV: 25/3 08(spiny 5d4) | Dam: 40, 25 | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2907 | Sp: hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], iron shot (3d33) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:24:10 orc priests can smite 2 turns in a row 00:24:15 !lg * recent d:1 x=dam max=dam 00:24:15 Grunt: 40, 25 00:24:19 248748. [dam=92] platinum the Evocator (L26 DDBe of Trog), blasted by Icaycsodgh the pandemonium lord (iron shot) on D:1 (zaba_arrival_water) on 2015-03-18 03:46:00, with 619491 points after 51672 turns and 3:27:33. 00:24:20 gammafunk: , 25 00:24:24 there's your 25 00:24:26 orb run 00:24:26 and smiting is 7-17 00:24:26 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:24:27 so... 00:24:29 !lg * recent d:1 x=dam max=dam xl<=5 00:24:32 248663. [dam=67] TeeNaku the Skirmisher (L4 MuCK of Xom), blasted by a fire giant (fireball) on D:1 on 2015-11-30 06:55:41, with 114 points after 17370 turns and 0:09:29. 00:24:43 ood timer 00:24:46 ya 00:24:48 that's very good though 00:24:53 fire giant! 00:24:58 !lg * recent d:1 x=dam max=dam xl<=5 !mu 00:25:02 236052. [dam=58] cat the Scratcher (L2 FeCK of Xom), killed by the severe capriciousness of Xom on D:1 on 2015-03-05 06:36:28, with 24 points after 5869 turns and 0:02:06. 00:25:09 er 00:25:11 nice 00:25:17 xom can definitely do more than 25 if bored 00:25:18 !lg * current trunk place=d:1 sdam=25 killer=hell_sentinel 00:25:19 No games for * (current trunk place=d:1 sdam=25 killer=hell_sentinel). 00:25:20 6k turns on d:1... 00:25:22 but how did he survive 6k turns? 00:25:24 Grunt: disproven 00:25:27 gammafunk: rip... 00:25:29 w/o being a mummy 00:25:31 !lg * current trunk d:1 sdam=25 00:25:36 16. TheHza the Cudgeler (L2 OgCK of Xom), blasted by a jackal (exploding inner flame) (hexed by the player character) on D:1 on 2016-01-15 21:58:45, with 7 points after 341 turns and 0:01:03. 00:25:38 ! 00:25:39 actually xom can gift like 15 meat rations 00:25:40 lol 00:25:44 !lg * recent d:1 killer=hell_sentinel x=dam 00:25:44 so probably from that 00:25:45 No games for * (recent d:1 killer=hell_sentinel). 00:25:45 god damage 00:25:48 FIQ: it was a felid, so that probably helped too 00:25:51 !lg * current trunk d:1 sdam=25 s=ckiller,cikiller,ckaux 00:25:55 16 games for * (current trunk d:1 sdam=25): 4x a kobold (3x a kobold (2x short sword of electrocution, whip of electrocution), the player character (exploding inner flame)), 3x cloud (3x (3x flame)), 2x a jackal (2x the player character (2x exploding inner flame)), 2x something (2x (2x distortion unwield)), a giant cockroach (the player character (exploding inner flame)), an orc wizard (an orc wiz... 00:25:59 !lg * recent d killer=hell_sentinel s=lvl 00:26:00 8 games for * (recent d killer=hell_sentinel): 2x 3, 2x 11, 2, 10, 14, 6 00:26:01 dang 00:26:03 there's your answer 00:26:06 I was gifted 15 meat rations from xom once as a mummy 00:26:07 kobolds with electrocution 00:26:11 wait 00:26:14 tru 00:26:15 so I suppose he can do that to people that actually eat food 00:26:15 what did hte orc wizard do 00:26:22 2x something (2x (2x distortion unwield)) 00:26:23 as well 00:26:27 !lg * current trunk d:1 sdam=25 ckiller=an_orc_wizard 00:26:30 1. GavinH the Firebug (L3 MuFE), blasted by an orc wizard (puff of flame) on D:1 on 2016-01-04 23:51:33, with 64 points after 1556 turns and 0:03:44. 00:26:34 ahh 00:26:37 nice 00:26:41 Mu reasons 00:26:58 wizard (puff of flame)), divine wrath ((Lugonu's touch)), wild magic ((the capriciousness of Xom)), a sun demon (the capriciousness of Xom) 00:27:21 for curiousity I once ventured to the temple with a MuCK 00:27:21 d:1 Sun Demon? thanks Xom! 00:27:21 !lg . d:1 sdam=25 00:27:21 No games for Floodkiller (d:1 sdam=25). 00:27:21 !lg * current trunk d:1 sdam>25 s=ckiller,cikiller,ckaux 00:27:21 to see exactly what xom would do 00:27:24 59 games for * (current trunk d:1 sdam>25): 8x a goblin (6x the player character (6x exploding inner flame), 2x a goblin (2x dagger of electrocution)), 6x a hobgoblin (6x the player character (6x exploding inner flame)), 4x a giant cockroach (4x the player character (4x exploding inner flame)), 4x xom (4x (3x the capriciousness of Xom, the severe capriciousness of Xom)), 3x a kobold (3x the player... 00:27:32 oh, maybe it was 24 damage from a distortion goblin 00:27:53 after showering me with randarts, /oHW, like 2k gold and various "misc" items, he sent 3 large abonimations that killed me 00:28:01 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1120-g03bd624 (34) 00:28:05 this was after 50k turns or so 00:28:06 Xom is fair. 00:28:06 !lg * recent d:1 x=dam max=dam xl<=5 !mu -log 00:28:10 !lm . ck xl<=10 s=tdam,cikiller 00:28:10 236054. cat, XL2 FeCK, T:5869: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/cat/morgue-cat-20150305-063628.txt 00:28:12 64 milestones for amalloy (ck xl<=10): 12x 0 (12x), 11x 12 (11x Prince Ribbit), 9x 33 (9x a black mamba), 8x 10 (8x an electric eel), 6x 22 (6x Fannar), 5x 8 (3x a small abomination, 2x a gnoll), 4x 6 (4x Xom), 3x 1 (3x), 3x 7 (3x a giant frog), 2 (a gnoll), 41 (the capriciousness of Xom), 62 (the player character) 00:28:15 !lg . ck xl<=10 s=tdam,cikiller 00:28:16 9 games for amalloy (ck xl<=10): 2x 8 (a small abomination, a gnoll), 12 (Prince Ribbit), 62 (the player character), 6 (Xom), 1, 2 (a gnoll), 7 (a giant frog), 41 (the capriciousness of Xom) 00:28:29 that's what they get for xomscumming 00:28:30 !lm . banished br=D min=lvl 00:28:32 17. [2013-04-26 02:19:50] gammafunk the Scratcher (L2 FeCK of Xom) is cast into the Abyss! (the capriciousness of Xom) (D:1) 00:28:37 62 is the worst 00:28:38 !hs cat xom 00:28:40 73. cat the Warrior (L17 OgCK of Xom), mangled by a large abomination in Hell (vestibule_of_hell_subvaulted; vestibule_geryon_nicolae_six_columns) on 2015-03-07 03:59:34, with 150117 points after 55402 turns and 3:55:10. 00:28:47 that's 00:28:49 not very catty 00:28:49 and I recall in my los when I got banished 00:28:51 !hs cat xom fe-- 00:28:52 6. cat the Nimble (L9 FeCK of Xom), slain by a hell rat on Lair:1 (lemuel_ratsnest) on 2015-03-05 06:31:39, with 3554 points after 12806 turns and 0:33:20. 00:28:54 were two hell sentinels 00:28:54 !lg . ck xl<=10 sdam=62 00:28:55 No games for amalloy (ck xl<=10 sdam=62). 00:28:57 irony 00:28:59 imo 00:29:01 amazingly I moved out of their los and didn't die 00:29:03 and escaped 00:29:05 only to die later 00:29:08 !lg . ck xl<=10 tdam=62 00:29:10 1. amalloy the Slicer (L8 KoCK of Xom), killed by an exploding ball lightning (created by the player character) on D:6 on 2015-07-17 18:20:49, with 1181 points after 5864 turns and 0:19:33. 00:29:16 escaped the abyss, I mean 00:29:55 I like that 00:30:00 created by the player character 00:30:07 to be honest I didn't really expect xom to give me that much gold 00:30:23 gammafunk: i think it is my only 100% unavoidable xom death 00:30:29 could at any point there have switched to gozag for major earlygame boosts lol 00:30:30 oh well 00:30:44 Yeah I had a xom divine lighting my current game 00:30:46 got me to 12 hp 00:30:51 but that can't kill you 00:30:56 wasn't sure if it could 00:30:59 i was in the middle of a corridor, and he dropped 3 or 4 ball lightnings right next to you 00:30:59 didn't it used to? 00:31:03 if he's bored it can 00:31:08 He probably was 00:31:14 in mine, xom wasn't even bored 00:31:30 I mean, if he gets bored, there's not much you can do to change that 00:31:32 he just thought it would be fun to create ball lightnings dealing 62 damage to a player with like 40hp 00:31:35 I think xom never directly kills, but can do so indirectly at any point 00:31:43 e.g. ball lightning, inner flame, etc 00:31:44 he will directly kill when bored 00:31:49 ahh 00:31:52 ok 00:32:07 Xom doesn't care if you die, he just wants to be entertained 00:32:39 as long as he isn't bored, he wont mangle you, just make you endure some... experiments 00:32:52 Let's start the experiment! 00:32:53 and if the toy breaks, ah well 00:32:57 let's find a new toy 00:33:33 speaking of Pakellas 00:33:44 in one game there was a vault with an ice dragon and various clouds 00:33:51 not entirely sure what Pakellas was trying to do there 00:33:53 Grunt: are you thinking about any big Pak changes? People have talked about how the recharge mechanic is kind of tedious (including remembering to use it at full MP) 00:33:56 because nothing was happening 00:34:02 tedious...! 00:34:13 s/Pakellas/experiments/ 00:34:17 aka tedium aka winscumming 00:34:47 !shrug 00:34:48 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 00:35:05 !send Grunt additional shrugs 00:35:06 Sending additional shrugs to Grunt. 00:35:08 Well, to put it another way, what are your thoughts on the viability of the god 00:35:12 Good enough to go for now? 00:35:26 have you seen the latest official dcss god tier list 00:35:29 well if charging at full MP is tedious 00:35:37 then maybe the god should do it passively 00:35:41 oh sure, I'm not talking about whether he's strong enough 00:35:57 and besides that tier list if full of lies and deception 00:36:26 it makes me wonder if DrKe is even a doctor at all or just like, merely a Ke 00:36:37 lol 00:36:53 also, god tier list? what's this? 00:37:34 see DrKe's entry 00:37:36 ??drke 00:37:36 drke[1/4]: king of double damage 00:37:44 think the second one 00:37:46 ??drke[2 00:37:47 drke[2/4]: 0.18 trunk god tiers: http://i.imgur.com/hnRfGGn.png / text version: http://pastebin.com/yw4dmfZC 00:38:17 double damage 00:38:22 is that referring to meleebug 00:38:25 yep 00:38:57 what actually happened then? 00:38:59 tournament-wise 00:40:08 nothing 00:40:09 oh, we noticed winrates were higher but didn't know why, various people mentioned that damage seemed "better", wheals had the insight to check 00:40:18 ah 00:40:27 and discovered it, so we patched it halfway through the tourney 00:40:41 after we decided leaving it unfixed would only create more problems 00:40:49 it was making people sad 00:40:51 mainly 00:40:55 and just didn't change any rules, because that too would create problems 00:41:30 It was another in the long line of specral weapon bugs, truly the spell gifted with the highest number of significant bugs 00:42:06 <|amethyst> especially when opposed by axe magic 00:42:10 lol 00:42:20 hah 00:42:33 yeah, were most of them related to cleaving? 00:42:41 I don't think I realized 00:42:47 <|amethyst> maybe not most, but definitely some 00:43:13 speaking of axes 00:43:18 how do monsters use it 00:43:30 errrrr 00:43:33 clarification 00:43:37 the obsidian axe 00:43:38 lol 00:44:22 it would have been more fun if that "god tier list" had reasonings for each god 00:44:30 that's much more fun to read 00:45:57 feel free to !tell drke your requests 00:46:00 hm 00:46:07 !won comborobin 00:46:10 comborobin has won 546 times in 6123 games (8.92%): 2xDDFi 2xDECj 2xDgAs 2xDrAs 2xDsAM 2xHOSk 2xHOWz 2xMfWn 2xMiAr 2xMiGl 2xMuSu 2xOpGl 2xSpAr 2xTrAK 2xVSWn 2xVpAs 1xCeAE 1xCeAK 1xCeAM 1xCeAr 1xCeBe 1xCeCK 1xCeEn 1xCeFE 1xCeFi 1xCeGl 1xCeHu 1xCeIE 1xCeMo 1xCeSk 1xCeVM 1xCeWn 1xCeWr 1xCeWz 1xDDAE 1xDDAK 1xDDAM 1xDDAr 1xDDAs 1xDDBe 1xDDCK 1xDDEE 1xDDEn 1xDDGl 1xDDHu 1xDDMo 1xDDNe 1xDDTm 1xDDVM 1xDDW... 00:46:24 not sure I've actually seen it die 00:46:54 I didn't see, but I tabbed back into a morgue screen 00:46:56 once 00:47:18 !comborobin 00:47:20 comborobin progress: 528/615 (85%) 00:48:07 i was going to do a writeup for each god, but i realized that if i did that i would have to post it in tavern 00:48:12 augh 00:48:22 would you really have to 00:48:33 i guess not but it's wher ei originally posted it 00:50:07 xom gets no love 00:50:41 does that list Xom in 5*->orb? I seem to recall it does 00:50:56 yeah 00:51:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:16 that's the love the xom gets, better than atheist 00:51:26 slightly above no god, yeah 00:51:45 well a lot of people are under the impression thats not the case 00:51:50 is beogh really D-class in extended 00:51:53 rather than E 00:52:35 i can see smite having a lot of merit and its actually possible for your orcs to survive 00:52:47 really? 00:52:47 its not possible however to watch someone keeping their orcs alive because ckr lost all their ttyrecs 00:52:56 but i watched them in the past 00:52:59 unless you find some amazing randart armor 00:53:06 I can't see that happening 00:53:08 it involves letting them fight stuff you cant actually see 00:53:15 so it doesnt fight back properly 00:53:24 huh 00:53:27 hm 00:53:37 sounds like an exploit 00:53:44 that might have gotten fixed? 00:53:44 if you play like that he might be even higher but i would rather be realistic 00:53:55 no its just how los in this game works i suppose 00:54:04 mhm 00:54:04 also it was a lot better when you could fully equip your orcs 00:54:30 yes I have heard that ally pickup was removed in favour of 1-time gifting 00:54:40 I personally do not understand the limitation of gifting 00:54:44 or why it is there 00:54:47 but whatever 00:55:15 (I mean the gift limit, I can understand the reasoning for removing ally pickup in normal circumstances) 00:56:49 DrKe, do you know why? 00:57:00 sorry I am rather inexperienced at this game 00:57:00 I know why 00:57:12 PleasingFungus, do tell 00:57:15 well 00:57:16 first 00:57:17 DrKe: a little one sentence 'this is the way to play this god' would be cool imo 00:57:26 did you ever play with the old system 00:57:30 because it's probably the beogh property I like the least 00:57:49 PleasingFungus, no but I can imagine it from other roguelikes 00:58:01 it was extremely bad 00:58:01 you had to sort of lead your guys across items 00:58:04 I don't mean the old system per se 00:58:06 and hope that they picked up what you wanted 00:58:12 I can understand the tedium 00:58:14 in that 00:58:22 a lot of swapping positions 00:58:25 also, I like how DrKe considers jiyva one of the best early-game gods but elliptic recently made jiyva never show up in early dungeon because the god was 'a trap' 00:58:42 it takes forever to make your allies pickup stuff in roguelikes I've played that has it 00:59:25 i mean, he is good in a pretty awkward way 00:59:27 usually it ends up with you having to corner the ally in a place with items until it eventually decides to check the pile out (not sure exactly how it worked in dcss but I imagine similarly) 00:59:30 the god is not designed for early dungeon and doesn't play well there 00:59:31 PleasingFungus, however 00:59:39 what I was actually referring to 00:59:48 was the current gift limit 00:59:50 of 1 item 00:59:54 to a named follower 00:59:59 it's not a statement about power but more how awkward the god is 01:00:00 why only 1? 01:00:02 you can still get jiyva temple! 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:06 s! 01:00:06 yep 01:00:15 but that has other altars at least 01:00:28 so you don't spend forever juggling a pile of weapons and armour, probably. 01:00:52 Reforming nem was to make the god not so excruciating, and if something happened with Jiyva, then that decision would be revisited, but J was always designed as a god you get later 01:01:00 what do you mean? because what I usually end up doing 01:01:09 is to pickup the best randarts I find that is useless for me 01:01:10 so it's just sort of retained for now, until someone comes a long and changes it 01:01:14 and gift them to named orcs 01:01:24 vs gifting everything to a single one 01:01:33 (besides duplicate weaponry, obviously) 01:01:47 in both cases I end up lugging around/micromanaging items 01:01:58 in fact, the 1 item limit makes it worse 01:02:11 because I have to consider exactly who deserves the item most 01:02:21 (i.e. where is it best suited) 01:02:30 okay. now imagine giving every single named orc their own melee weapon, ranged weapon, shield, and body armour. 01:02:41 it's also cool to have as a design, a god you can only get reliably if you hold out for it; I personally wouldn't mind if it got a redesign that made it more universal, though 01:02:52 Since I didn't have super a lot of fun my Jiyva win 01:03:08 the statshuffling seems like it could do with a rethink 01:03:10 re jiyva 01:03:20 the stat shuffling rarely plays out in a satisfying way 01:03:22 gonna claim that I shuffled the name on purpose there 01:03:24 yeah, that and how mutations are gotten 01:03:26 PleasingFungus, ah, but that'd not really be something I'd do since beogh takes care of that 01:03:29 gammafunk: ya 01:03:37 the mutations are a bit too volatile 01:03:42 but for J to be not such an early game mess, I guess it's the eating items and slimes murdering the dungeon thing 01:03:46 FIQ: very slowly, very unreliably, and not as well as a human player would 01:03:49 that would need the biggest rethink 01:03:51 the only reason I want unlimited gifting is to concentrate the best items on a single ally 01:04:03 so that it'd survive better 01:04:06 the others will die anyway 01:04:06 gammafunk: I'd personally stick with J being an early-game mess and focus on improving its strengths 01:04:24 sure, that's one approach, just keep his design of "you gotta go lookin for this weird god" 01:04:30 allthough I guess you have a point 01:04:32 trying to make all gods all things to all people seems unsound 01:04:38 all in all 01:04:42 well I'm not proposing *that* 01:04:45 ; ) 01:04:54 just saying another design could have it more reasonable early game 01:05:16 because unlimited gifting would encourage people to hoard garbage around 01:05:21 or micromanage stuff a lot 01:05:27 i think he is "good" early mostly because of slimify and the jellies killing stuff is not that crippling because of the exp curve 01:05:35 but it is not necessarily that fun to play out 01:05:40 more than what happens now 01:06:12 isn't jivya much easier to access nowdays? 01:06:24 hes never been easy to get 01:06:25 I seemingly always see a jivyya altar by the slime entrance 01:06:36 never (or rarely) happened in 0.15 I think 01:06:39 well we mean like d:2-d:9 01:06:40 well, start a game dead set on worshipping jiyva in slime 01:06:41 not in lair 01:06:45 he often won't be there lol 01:06:50 he's always there when you already have a god though 01:06:57 heh :P 01:07:08 s/in slime/in lair 01:07:23 so tempt the rng 01:07:26 by worshipping xom 01:07:30 and endure his wrath 01:07:31 ;p 01:08:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:08:59 when I've messed with faded altars 01:09:05 I've gotten jivya twice 01:09:12 only god I've gotten twice lol 01:09:21 and on characters I didn't really want him on 01:09:22 atall 01:09:24 +space 01:10:06 J's eating conduct isn't super fun, I wonder if it could be simplified in a way similar to how Ely was 01:10:44 Well, what I mean is things only getting eating when you activate something, but that might be difficult to get right 01:11:08 I thought the point was sort of being like gozag, but for everything 01:11:46 well, gozag takes all corpses, J doesn't take all items, so while there's a similarity there's a big difference as well 01:11:52 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1120-g03bd624 (34) 01:11:58 J is getting...I'm not sure what proportion of level items 01:12:34 !lg devteamnp god=jiyva s=name 01:12:35 149 games for devteamnp (god=jiyva): 34x Neil, 20x 78291, 14x MarvinPA, 13x wheals, 12x elliptic, 9x bh, 9x dpeg, 7x SGrunt, 5x rob, 5x KiloByte, 4x Lasty, 3x amalloy, 3x Medar, 2x PleasingFungus, 2x ontoclasm, Sage, HangedMan, pointless, gammafunk, evktalo, erisdiscordia, itsmu 01:12:36 also time pressure, which is cool 01:12:40 i'm a big fan of time pressure 01:12:41 yeah 01:12:47 what if the munching was more aggressively but required player intervention to "turn on" (e.g. send in a jelly) 01:13:21 that'd remove the time pressure though 01:13:21 there's probably quite a few conduct reforms that would be reasonable, someone who cares just has to flesh (slime) it out 01:13:30 might be cool if you got some kind of Jellysense that let you smell item locations 01:13:38 oh yeah 01:13:43 also: hentai 01:13:48 I mean, just an idea 01:13:52 it's impossible to sense hentai. 01:13:55 it's completely undetectable. 01:13:58 that's the dangerous thing about it... 01:14:07 on the Dark Internet 01:14:12 Shadow Memes 01:14:32 !learn add snapping_turtle https://vine.co/v/ePbWbaQqrgl 01:14:32 snapping turtle[4/4]: https://vine.co/v/ePbWbaQqrgl 01:19:23 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1120-g03bd624 (34) 01:19:44 =O 01:19:51 you can't evoke tele rings anymore!?!? 01:20:00 ruined... 01:20:30 weeeeaaaak 01:21:41 guess my record for abyss entry to rune will have to stand where it is now 01:21:43 =p 01:21:53 hm 01:22:09 I wonder if Slow Dorkhole would be ok as a spell 01:22:23 it feels weaker than tele 01:22:40 slow? 01:22:45 what's slow about it? 01:23:00 drops down 2 temprock in adjacent tiles each turn for four turns 01:23:14 so if you sit in place and there aren't any enemies adjacent, you get dorkholed 01:24:03 apologies for rude lang 01:26:09 gammafunk: is J's conduct not fun? i enjoyed racing through the floors, trying to grab as many items as i could before the jellies got to them 01:26:40 likewise some unusual tactics on M:6 and E:3 01:26:56