00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:03 hrm 00:00:19 gammafunk: yeah, the hunger rate makes no sense with any reasonable length of a turn 00:00:59 !calc 100000.0 / 3600.0 00:01:00 27.78 00:01:09 wow, so to get the orb it takes you about a month 00:02:00 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:14 !log . heie place=d:1 urune=15 00:02:16 1. gammafunk, XL27 HEIE, T:49424: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20140222-202626.txt 00:03:00 doesn't show eating 00:03:15 !log . hesu br=tomb urune=10 00:03:16 1. gammafunk, XL22 HESu, T:32262: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20150131-052944.txt 00:03:17 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:03:25 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:33 if a turn is 6 seconds than a whole ration only lasts you 2.7 hours of standing still 00:05:46 as if crawl ever made any kind of sense 00:06:35 -!- SenoraRaton has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:07:06 I'm not saying we should add this to crawl, but we should add this to crawl https://github.com/TheMozg/awk-raycaster 00:09:03 bh: http://i.imgur.com/0OAAOcU.png 00:09:54 do it in doomrl and make it go full circle 00:10:40 2meta4me 00:13:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw7y4_JDkRM 00:13:01 behold 00:13:04 meta 00:13:10 is it deliberate that Recall doesn't work on stuff inside LOS btw 00:13:48 because pseudoblinking allies could be useful too 00:19:26 FIQ: possibly to bias it toward distant allies 00:20:46 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1078-gebb93d0 (34) 00:31:42 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:36:49 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:05 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 00:46:47 -!- Taq has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:50:45 ah 00:50:48 -!- zwisch has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:51:21 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:51:39 there as a fe time in mylatgam yrd run where I tried to recall stuff about to die from stuff, forgettingthat it only ork on monsters outside LOS :p 00:51:46 few 00:51:51 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:52:00 *works 00:52:26 bh: I beat that game, score 7400 00:52:44 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:55:39 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:56:04 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:57:28 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:00:37 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:08 hm 01:06:13 helpal keeps crashing the game 01:06:50 I wonder 01:07:20 That's a WIP name, right? 01:07:43 yes 01:07:53 it is intentionally unuseably bad 01:08:08 * geekosaur hopes nothing's matching against "Hel" >.> 01:08:54 "it is intentionally unuseably bad" But AM is in the game proper. 01:09:34 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1078-gebb93d0 (34) 01:10:25 you mean, Arkane Marksperson? 01:11:14 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:12:10 or antimagic? 01:12:24 When is KA101 joining the dev-team? 01:12:44 ? 01:13:03 -!- kramin is now known as Kramin 01:14:54 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Farewell.] 01:15:47 hm 01:15:48 hahaha 01:15:55 A vault sentinel comes inta view. It be wieldin' a mornin'star. _Tha vault sentinel points at ye an' mumbles some strange words. Yer +6 warlock's mirror {reflect} reflects tha Sentinel's Mark! _Tha vault sentinel be unaffected. 01:15:58 gammafunk: remind me how to wipe the vault cache 01:16:03 is it possible for them to actually be affected? 01:16:05 ProzacElf: You're Welcome 01:16:07 also I doubt it 01:16:11 awww 01:16:13 -!- Troy_ is now known as Guest49924 01:16:15 still, it's great 01:16:17 :) 01:16:24 !lm ProzacElf x=sh 01:16:25 12921. [2016-01-14 06:10:24] [sh=19] ProzacElf the Fetichist (L20 HESk of Gozag) left the Vaults on turn 70092. (Vaults:1) 01:16:25 PleasingFungus: well there's ./crawl -builddb but 01:16:30 that's not what you want I guess 01:16:39 I wonder if I made the ench reflect too strong 01:16:47 well, i found brooch of shielding too 01:16:50 nice 01:17:00 gammafunk: isn't there some directory I can rm 01:17:06 i've had the mirror since a bit before lair 01:17:27 for of the right extension, just do a find dat -type -f -name '*.' -exec rm {} \; 01:17:35 remove saves/des/ and saves/db/ 01:17:40 geekosaur: ty! 01:17:41 the most notable thing it did before working on the sentinel was probably confusing rupert 01:17:45 oh 01:17:46 clearly I tab-completed the wrong g 01:17:50 yeah it's in there 01:18:11 looks like not db though, just des 01:18:18 no, gammafunk was the first time, I just stepped in because I could check quickly 01:18:41 -!- Guest49924 has quit [Client Quit] 01:18:53 ProzacElf, heh I kinda wanted to see what effect that had on monsters 01:19:01 looks like I solved my crash 01:19:03 probably 01:19:06 working like monster-specific telepthy would be neat 01:19:16 heh 01:19:16 yeah what I said isn't really needed because the files aren't interleaved 01:19:17 yeah, that would be cool 01:19:24 shamelessly plagiarizing lasty's god... 01:19:25 only would be if they were in dat/ 01:20:28 otoh if you mess up that find command you can have fun fixing your directory 01:20:46 so that's fun only available with my approach 01:20:46 oh.. brooch of shielding heh 01:20:49 nice find 01:20:55 esp with that shield unrand 01:21:01 Maximum Reflection 01:21:05 (@ ProzacElf, not @ my own game) 01:21:25 heh 01:21:31 PleasingFungus, I found that shield today in a gozag run (armor shop) 01:21:47 clearly it's too common 01:21:47 it was a lot of fun, but potentially too strong base enchantment 01:21:53 too many proles hauling it around... 01:21:57 at least that was my impression 01:22:09 could be 01:22:15 (I like the effect, but +6 buckler is already strong as is) 01:22:22 heh 01:22:30 i've been telling my pals to get their hands on it before you nerf it 01:22:32 =p 01:22:35 haha 01:22:39 I'll get someone else to do it 01:22:46 if only there was someone on the devteam who liked nerfing things... 01:23:00 ProzacElf, anyway, does it work on Banishment? 01:23:09 I think it did but I might have misread stuff 01:24:13 you know, i'm not sure 01:24:14 should 01:24:37 well, the most obvious place to see it would have been elf:3 but i also bribed elf:3 01:24:51 so i think the elf banishing i saw was coming at the hands of my minions 01:24:57 ProzacElf, heh, I didn't, and I think it was there I saw it possibly happen 01:25:18 i see no reason why it wouldn't 01:25:18 because an elf demonologist disappeared, but it might have been me not paying attention to what my arc blade did 01:25:22 i mean, it works on mark 01:25:25 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:25:25 yeah 01:25:36 (allthough mark working would be nicer :p) 01:25:56 anything that's not smite-y should be fair game 01:26:10 also explosions can't be reflected, which is a pity 01:26:29 but explosive bullets can 01:26:36 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:26:46 ah 01:26:55 so that's why it didn't seem to work on hellfireballs 01:27:02 i guess? 01:27:17 working on those would probably be OP anyway :p 01:27:20 pseudo-rHellfire 01:27:52 hm 01:27:56 I didn't actually test against fireball 01:28:03 I don't *think* it should work against it 01:28:52 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 01:29:18 btw, Wretched should make spellcasters occasionally miscast :p 01:29:57 it reduces their spellpower considerably 01:30:00 doesn't that count for anything? 01:30:09 and spellbinder shouldn't make blink frogs miscast lol 01:30:16 PleasingFungus, ah, fair enough 01:30:23 similar to subdued magic 01:30:51 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:31:55 that's apparently because their blinking is magical 01:32:28 but shouldn't it be natural 01:32:30 same as golden eyes', insubstantial wisps, etc 01:32:31 rather than a spell 01:32:43 considering their interaction with distortion 01:32:59 note that magical is not the same as wizard-y 01:33:02 there's just some magic in there 01:33:12 it's not a spell per se, it's just... magic 01:33:12 hm ok 01:33:16 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33:35 still feels weird to me though :P 01:33:36 this means you can also hit them with antimagic [that's what spellbinder checks for] 01:33:39 it's a little weird 01:33:45 but it's consistent 01:34:25 and where would we be without consistency? 01:34:36 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:34:46 trivia: hellephant fire breath is natural, but their blinking is magic. 01:36:46 heh 01:37:14 PleasingFungus: well nagas have natural spit breath and can have spells! 01:37:28 are you trying to say that elephants are too dumb to do that 01:37:41 I daren't say anything bad about elephants. 01:37:42 because that would hurt Nellie's feelings 01:37:45 They'd never forget it.. 01:37:48 tru 01:38:25 har 01:38:56 so "magical" means "innate ability that's not something someone in the real world could do"? 01:39:19 right, blinking, totally not real world 01:39:25 fire breath, totally real world 01:39:30 also, lightning breath 01:40:34 also spitting poison is irl 01:41:07 invisibility too 01:41:23 chequers: it means magic, chequers. 01:41:36 heehee 01:42:34 fwiw apparently the mirror won't reflect entropy weavers' bs either 01:42:49 i mean, i'm not saying it "should" 01:43:39 i guess since it's smite targeted anyway it wouldn't 01:45:49 urgh entropy weavers 01:46:18 are you feeling... smitten...? 01:47:36 hm 01:47:39 ??qazlal[2 01:47:39 qazlal[2/8]: While worshipping Qazlal at least one * of piety, the storm surrounding you makes noise every turn. The amount of noise grows as you gain piety, reaching the same volume as fireball at max. 01:48:32 http://paranatural.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/gags.png would be a good addition to [4, maybe 01:49:24 yeah, it definitely doesn't seem to be working on regular fireballs either 01:49:39 har 01:50:16 c'est la vie 01:50:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 01:52:03 -!- Harudoku_ has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 01:52:14 hahaha 01:52:22 i forgot you could reflect boulder beetles 02:00:10 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:46 -!- FireSight has quit [] 02:03:12 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03:23 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:07:07 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:10:38 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:12:13 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:15:01 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:15:30 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:21:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:36:10 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:49:58 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:53:17 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:54:02 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 02:57:28 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:41 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:35 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:04:59 -!- driftwood is now known as driftw00d 03:07:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 03:15:54 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:16:12 -!- renopt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:19:37 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1078-gebb93d0 (34) 03:25:07 -!- Danei has quit [Quit: Those who tell the truth shall die, those who tell the truth shall live forever.] 03:34:44 -!- Sorbius_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:34:46 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:35:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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(ProzacElf) 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/45e9a13ca794 04:46:23 oh cool 04:46:30 thx 04:53:38 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:55:57 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06:03 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 05:08:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:09:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:10:00 ??qazlal[4 05:10:00 qazlal[4/8]: http://i.imgur.com/9SGuOAk.png http://i.imgur.com/AidD6ni.png (paranatural.net) 05:11:32 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:30:08 -!- renopt_ is now known as renopt 05:30:25 -!- renopt has quit [Changing host] 05:35:18 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:45:56 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:50:48 -!- roadmap has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:58:01 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:34 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:02:57 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:03:13 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:03:47 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:16:00 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:22:40 -!- SSG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:23:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:29:53 -!- Dirtsage has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33:40 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:40 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 06:34:07 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 06:34:40 -!- MIC132 has quit [Client Quit] 06:37:01 -!- chewy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:45:09 -!- the_glow has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:46:55 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:48:38 -!- nosratheno has quit [Quit: I move the stars for no-one..] 06:50:01 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:52:02 -!- Shard1697 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:56:06 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 06:57:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:58:53 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:06 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:06:26 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:09:35 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:15:36 -!- koboldina has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:20:00 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:21:02 -!- rj54x has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:31:16 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:31:17 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:34:11 -!- falu has quit [Client Quit] 07:38:38 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:41:25 -!- glaas has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:44:13 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:48:30 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:58:40 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:51 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:09 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:12:31 -!- paulgrmn has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 08:18:59 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 08:20:14 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:24 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:40:54 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:41:27 Search result (ctrl+f) window width is not limited in WebTiles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10234 by Medar 08:46:33 Ctrl+f search for "armour && !!body" doesn't work anymore 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10235 by Medar 08:57:29 -!- Drusha21 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:57:46 Medar: i assume the search still excludes robes and ring mail? 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:15 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:07:42 -!- Sorbius_ is now known as Sorbius 09:08:06 -!- scummos__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:13:35 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:15:05 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:26:44 think so yes 09:27:19 it seems you can't do complex searches 09:28:08 like (artefact && jewel) || (legen && artef) 09:28:15 I am not sure if you could ever, though 09:28:38 it's just that the later passes only get the displayed name to compare against 09:28:41 I think 09:30:02 zxc: you need to use << and >> i think 09:30:08 read the help 09:30:17 ah 09:30:32 -!- jbalthetto has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:34:28 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:34:32 oh so like <> || <> ? 09:35:33 that seems to be it, cool 09:36:38 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:44:55 -!- radinms has quit [] 09:58:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:51 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:03:08 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:42 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:12:35 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15:26 -!- scummos__ has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:20:32 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:11 -!- SSG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:29:44 -!- jefus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:41:42 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:42:12 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:42:21 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:44:48 -!- chewymouse has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:50 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:50:51 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:58:44 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:02:46 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:10:38 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:24:39 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:35:01 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:35:19 -!- zwisch has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:36:02 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:44:40 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:45:47 -!- njorth has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 11:47:26 -!- Reverie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:50:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:11 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 11:59:57 -!- Final has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:02:48 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:03:10 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:30 -!- gareppa has quit [Client Quit] 12:04:46 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:12:28 i'm not sure whether BEH_LURK is used anywhere really now 12:12:53 the one place is if a monster tries to unsubmerge but can't 12:12:55 can that happen? 12:13:28 (note: lurking horrors do not lurk) 12:13:29 -!- G-Flex has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:13:39 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 12:17:00 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:18:53 <|amethyst> can the player still stand on submerged monsters? 12:18:56 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1079-g45e9a13 (34) 12:21:38 -!- kramin has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:50 I just died to grinder 12:21:53 @??grinder 12:21:53 Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 33-45 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 277 | Sp: pain (d14) [06!sil], paralyse [06!sil], blink [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 12:22:01 d14 is little much yeah? 12:22:09 Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 322 | Sp: pain (d10), paralyse, blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 12:22:09 %0.10?grinder 12:22:16 Grinder (025) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 40 | AC/EV: 3/11 | Dam: 1105(pain) | 05demonic, 10items, 10doors, evil, see invisible, !sil | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 322 | Sp: pain (d10), paralyse, blink | Sz: little | Int: normal. 12:22:16 %0.14?grinder 12:22:24 shrug?? 12:22:24 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:22:29 heh 12:22:33 not too bad I guess 12:22:35 but 12:22:39 @??jessica 12:22:40 Jessica (15@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 7-11 | AC/EV: 2/10 | Dam: 5 | natural, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(10) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 37 | Sp: pain (d14), slow, haste, blink | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 12:22:44 also d14 12:22:50 and 12:22:54 @??executioner 12:22:56 Executioner (151) | Spd: 20 | HD: 12 | HP: 57-77 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 30, 10, 10 | 05demonic, 10doors, fighter, unholy, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2327 | Sp: pain (d14) [06!sil], haste [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 12:23:01 viola 12:23:15 |amethyst: even if they can, i don't think that happening should change their AI 12:23:44 isn't spellpower supposed to scale with HD 12:24:12 though i'm rather confused... does every behaviour_event unsubmerge monsters? 12:25:38 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:26:03 OTOH, BEH_LURK was something that was suggested for swamp worm ai 12:26:23 stay submerged until you're adjacent and then never resubmerge (latter was implemented) 12:31:43 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:32:12 -!- Azzkikr has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:33:55 -!- Culka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36:43 Kraken simulacrum with ordinary tentacles 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10236 by amaril 12:39:02 ontoclasm do you feel like making a new set of tentacle tiles for simulacra and zombies 12:39:23 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:39:44 sorry, two new sets :P 12:46:13 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:51:33 -!- neunon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:53:12 -!- SirVagabond has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:55:37 -!- Vodkovich has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 12:55:48 -!- ArcaneNH has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:57:15 * wheals wonders what it is that makes so many people thing gozag ends with a q 12:57:16 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:28 <|amethyst> wheals: IMO someone should draw the state transition diagram for monster.behaviour 13:02:45 <|amethyst> I have no clue what it looks like, really 13:03:43 drawing tentacles sounds simpler 13:04:33 <|amethyst> and a flowchart or railroad diagram or something for the various _phase_s of an attack 13:04:53 <|amethyst> I have some idea what that looks like, but always forget the details 13:05:13 just finished part 1 of #6421! 13:05:25 !bug 6421 13:05:26 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6421 13:05:31 just items for now 13:05:39 <|amethyst> yay 13:05:40 and it probably ruined local tiles 13:05:41 sweet 13:05:45 <|amethyst> does it handle rods and spellbooks? 13:05:59 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:06:13 i think spellbooks already do use one, indirectly 13:06:25 it doesn't fix the thing where you can't use the normal actions 13:06:31 but that may be more tractable now 13:06:35 <|amethyst> hm 13:06:44 <|amethyst> I was thinking that's not really fixable as long as drop is d 13:06:52 <|amethyst> but I guess you could use numbers rather than letters for the spells 13:07:26 good idea 13:08:58 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:09:26 wheals: no :( 13:09:28 <|amethyst> would be nice if we had a system where we provided the menu a keymap (literally-a map from keys to callables) 13:09:36 tentacles are awful 13:09:40 <|amethyst> that would make it a little easier to specify overrides 13:09:49 <|amethyst> and also get rid of a whole bunch of switch/case logic 13:09:59 <|amethyst> s/y-a/y: a/ 13:10:37 <|amethyst> I guess the problem is, whatever code that is probably wants access to a lot of local state and maybe private menu data? 13:11:10 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:21 <|amethyst> so it might need a lot of parameters 13:11:30 there is something you can use 13:11:49 -!- WorkSight has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:11:50 f_keyfilter 13:12:36 you could use that to catch things you're looking for and then return a no-op key 13:14:34 or ESCAPE 13:14:54 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:17:16 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:18:55 TIL you can press the item letters on the % screen 13:19:32 -!- kramin has left ##crawl-dev 13:21:46 huh, that's actually kind of useful 13:22:14 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:23:20 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:23:30 it occurs that we'd have significantly fewer kraken bugs if we removed kraken. 13:29:52 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1080-g9a212da: Revert highlighting of matched text. 10(4 hours ago, 6 files, 30+ 85-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9a212da2013a 13:29:52 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1081-g3679e09: Always allow inscribing items if you can perform other actions. 10(3 hours ago, 5 files, 8+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3679e098546e 13:29:52 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1082-gc10a5ef: merge two back 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c10a5efd7c3c 13:29:52 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1083-ga2f8a92: Make the item description menu a formatted_scroller. 10(34 minutes ago, 9 files, 165+ 354-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a2f8a92f21c3 13:30:03 oh crap 13:30:16 i was supposed to rebase that commit 13:30:33 hehe 13:30:48 I always debate about writing a proper commit message just in case 13:30:57 but then it's easier to forget to rebase too! 13:31:11 -!- Morphy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:31:41 <|amethyst> mine are usually "fix" 13:31:42 %git :/unacknowledged 13:31:43 Could not find commit :/unacknowledged (git returned 128) 13:31:57 <|amethyst> or "fix " 13:33:47 %git :/^[Ff]ix( \w+)?$/ 13:33:47 Could not find commit :/^[Ff]ix( \w+)?$/ (git returned 128) 13:33:58 Medar: you can get to work on #6618 13:34:04 !bug 6618 13:34:05 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6618 13:34:31 :P 13:34:32 I'm sure edl is about to merge it 13:34:48 right after webtiles_changes 13:36:44 that issue is luckily much less annoying now. because webtiles isn't so laggy and just being used to it 13:36:54 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:37:30 really, i'm surprised that webtiles is less laggy now than in the past 13:37:41 though maybe that's just you having a server that you're running yourself :P 13:38:42 yeah, think that bug might be from when there were no european servers 13:39:32 it would be nice if these libpng warnings told you which file had the incorrect sRGB encoding 13:39:41 wasn't there CDO back then? 13:39:50 !lg . start>2013-02-09 x=src 1 13:39:51 1/303. [src=cszo] Medar the Summoner (L10 DESu), slain by an orc knight (a +1,+1 orcish long sword) (kmap: lemuel_castle_with_subvaults; lemuel_castle_interior_carwin_3) on D:8 on 2013-02-09 10:19:33, with 4841 points after 15322 turns and 1:29:57. 13:39:55 or had it stopped doing webtiles already, i don't remember when 13:40:11 looks like it had stopped 13:40:23 it was really laggy anyway 13:45:35 .cobbed 13:45:36 110. fdshfn the Merry Centaur (L27 CeHu of The Shining One), starved to death on Zot:3 on 2016-01-11 03:00:47, with 845347 points after 145618 turns and 8:54:12. 13:46:31 .awoken 13:46:32 7. Placentus the Sorcerer (L19 HECj of Vehumet), mangled by an earth elemental (summoned by a deep elf elementalist) on Elf:3 on 2016-01-12 02:53:55, with 267920 points after 49767 turns and 4:00:11. 13:50:40 -!- WebFungus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:50:50 .awoken s=kaux 13:50:52 7 games for * (trunk killer=earth_elemental ikiller~~elementalist): 7x 13:51:06 .awoken s=ktyp 13:51:07 7 games for * (trunk killer=earth_elemental ikiller~~elementalist): 7x mon 13:51:14 ah, right :p 13:51:18 learn to read, lasty 13:51:19 mon mon mo 13:53:44 !lg * trunk ikiller~~elementalist s=kaux 13:53:49 11 games for * (trunk ikiller~~elementalist): 7x, 2x fireball, a +0 dagger, by static electricity 13:53:51 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:54:09 seems like the elementals are the most dangerous thing they do by a fair margin 13:55:31 they surround you if you're in a killhole 13:55:54 yeah 13:55:58 @?? earth elemental 13:55:58 earth elemental (07E) | Spd: 6 | HD: 6 | HP: 38-53 | AC/EV: 14/4 | Dam: 40 | 11non-living, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 84 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 13:56:07 although you can now cblink in elf:3 13:56:13 40 is pretty solid, but that hd is so low... 13:56:30 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:56:56 yeah, every time I melee them in elf I just find myself wondering if they really have 40 damage 13:57:27 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 13:57:37 they go down pretty fast when mages summon them in Elf 13:57:50 but they're pretty scary for low-level chars that can't run away, as I recall 13:58:10 .awoken s=ac,ev 13:58:11 7 games for * (trunk killer=earth_elemental ikiller~~elementalist): 40 (14), 33 (2), 18 (13), 27 (12), 9 (18), 31 (28), 19 (22) 13:58:23 A couple of those have decent EV 13:58:45 but man, 33/2 and 18/13 and 27/12 probably got clobbered fast 13:59:28 !lm . br.end=elf x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 13:59:30 129 milestones for kvaak (br.end=elf): avg(ac)=23.36; avg(ev)=19.09 13:59:36 *shrug* 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:14 !lm * recent br.end=elf x=avg(ac),avg(ev) 14:00:15 23767 milestones for * (recent br.end=elf): avg(ac)=27.28; avg(ev)=16.06 14:00:49 I do elf before lair branches unlike pretty much everyone else 14:01:06 I also like mixing ac and ev, for some reason most players find them mutually exclusive 14:01:32 the new scroller works on webtiles, though it's too bad you can't use the browser scroll capabilities 14:02:45 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:02:59 would that really be that helpful? 14:03:08 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:03:38 think I saw a webtiles scrolling bug the other day, hmm 14:04:50 ah yes, let me report that instead of fixing it... 14:06:46 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:07:05 kvaak: i think it is mostly bad players who never mix ac and ev 14:10:17 -!- Vodkovich has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:11:46 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:13:05 ??objstat[2 14:13:05 objstat[2/3]: Latest statistics: https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=0B7VXhHzhWWb7S282VWhLVWRXbG8&usp=sharing , See the README for details: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D5mFqVi8ghz_nzvVmDUc3unx8VanVBWfgvZ8xCHaiJo/edit?usp=sharing 14:14:44 I'm curious about the cure mut numbers, seems like a lot in my current game 14:15:05 so much risk free mutation lottery for 3 rune game 14:15:21 wasn't it increased to counteract more permamuts? 14:15:22 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 14:15:31 s/sounteract/counterbalance/ 14:15:39 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:15:57 WebTiles menu scrolling gets confused if showing too many lines 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10237 by Medar 14:16:22 due to the rMut removal 14:16:33 yeh 14:16:34 but that didn't change 3 rune games much 14:17:05 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:17:24 so if you aren't going for extended, you can just use all of extra cure muts for mutation lottery, maybe leave 1 or 2 for zot to be extra safe 14:17:43 but I don't know what the average numbers are now, maybe it's just me being lucky 14:17:48 thouht I also recalled something that gave temp muts (um. some tier 4 thing?) now giving permamuts 14:17:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:17:58 * geekosaur has not been tracking the past week very well... 14:18:14 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1084-g259f6cf: Webtiles: colour Gozag gold (#10006). 10(26 seconds ago, 2 files, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/259f6cfe010a 14:19:28 you know what's ridiculous: if i make a small change, it's two orders of magnitude faster to recompile on my VM than mingw 14:19:43 kvaak: yeah, I'm a big fan of relatively even AC/EV, ideally around 30 of each. 14:19:44 we are a team, I report bugs, wheals fixes them 14:19:54 (but who adds them?) 14:20:09 that's me too 14:20:23 kvaak: I'm just thinking that with 40 damage, only very high AC characters don't care about EE melee, but with 6 HD, even modest EV characters should mitigate a ton of damage. 14:20:33 MarvinPA just removes the bugs, rather than fixing them 14:21:05 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:21:10 I should report GDR not being shown in webtiles wizmode... 14:22:07 TIL what the % next to my ac in wizmode is 14:22:28 -!- edsrzf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:50 amalloy: GDR? 14:23:10 oh, Medar just said ity 14:26:26 * geekosaur remembers noticng that in wizmode and then ignoring it from then on >.> 14:29:45 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:45:30 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:50 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:56:28 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:18 -!- vodka has quit [Client Quit] 15:02:47 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:23 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:09:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:13:35 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19:38 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 15:20:10 -!- cmcbot has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:24:20 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:28 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:38:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:39:20 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:43:03 -!- FIQ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:43:41 -!- amalloy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:45:59 -!- FIQ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:48:58 -!- amalloy has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:24 !learn e win[2 s/Y/yes/ 15:51:24 win[2/2]: esc&yes%orb of zotenterg&^b<.< 15:51:40 !learn e win[2 s/yes/yesenter/ 15:51:41 win[2/2]: esc&yesenter%orb of zotenterg&^b<.< 15:51:52 and they say the game is getting easier 15:55:42 Medar: We add more devs over time, and each of those get access to wizmode, which means more people are winning, so it is getting easier 15:56:55 I mean, amalloy likes to worship *Cheibriados* in his games, which is worse than athiest, so giving him wizmode was a huge winfal for him in terms of winning 15:57:38 winfal? really? 15:57:54 I have never won in wizmode, maybe I should try that guide 15:58:23 sorry spelling "Cheibriados" correctly already took a lot out of me 15:58:43 15:58:47 easy 15:59:25 doesn't work if you put ** around it 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02:47 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:03:07 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:07:36 -!- Dacendoran has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:09:30 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:18:10 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:18:27 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:27:54 -!- bigblufrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:28:49 -!- dark_star has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:31:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:32:46 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:34:21 -!- onmyo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:38:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:38:58 i have won in wizmode, but only offline 16:39:05 &%orb of zot 16:43:41 !source ability.cc 16:43:42 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ability.cc 16:44:26 !source exercise.cc 16:44:27 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/exercise.cc 16:47:09 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest29423 16:49:53 -!- Vodkovich has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 16:50:10 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:29 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:50:32 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:51:35 -!- phyphor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:54:32 offline?? 16:54:32 Doesn't count. 16:54:45 !lg * wizmode s=name 16:54:46 152 games for * (wizmode): 61x gammafunk, 57x Neil, 16x bh, 7x wheals, 2x cbrotest, 2x reaver, 2x Basil, 2x wizamalloy, reaverb, qwqw, Medar 16:54:52 gammafunk with another crawl world record 16:55:15 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:58:11 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:52 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:17 -!- Voker57|2 has quit [Client Quit] 17:04:38 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:12:20 -!- LordSloth has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15:54 -!- Alarkh has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:22:56 is anyone reading the ecumenical altar threads on tavern? opinions on their opinions? 17:23:46 ?? ecumenical altar[2 17:23:47 ecumenical altar[2/2]: One milestone for kvaak (milestone~~ecumenical_altar): Cheibriados 17:25:08 lucky you 17:25:17 !lm * god.ecumenical 17:25:18 9988. [2016-01-14 21:50:07] sorlin the Sneak (L3 SpFE of Kikubaaqudgha) prayed at an ecumenical altar on turn 1627. (D:2) 17:25:26 !lm * god.ecumenical month s=god 17:25:33 1426 milestones for * (god.ecumenical month): 81x Makhleb, 80x Sif Muna, 78x Cheibriados, 75x Lugonu, 71x Yredelemnul, 71x Qazlal, 70x Ashenzari, 70x Vehumet, 70x Okawaru, 69x Dithmenos, 67x Xom, 66x Ru, 65x Fedhas, 62x Trog, 61x Gozag, 61x Kikubaaqudgha, 58x Nemelex Xobeh, 57x The Shining One, 56x Jiyva, 55x Zin, 42x Pakellas, 41x Elyvilon 17:25:59 i feel like this is proof crawl's random algorithm is terrible 17:26:02 look at that distribution! 17:26:06 !lm * god.ecumenical month s=god -graph:area 17:26:10 1426 milestones for * (god.ecumenical month): https://shalott.org/graphs/cdbd8578b2ce82fe546c49a960f5a2c7caed13ab.html 17:26:20 I'd say your understanding of random is terrible 17:26:29 not all races can pick all gods 17:27:04 not a single beogh 17:27:21 you can probably get beogh from non-ecumenical before you find one 17:27:24 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 17:27:40 well, ecu altar is d:2 or d:3 17:27:52 !lm * god.ecumenical month s=god ho 17:27:56 67 milestones for * (god.ecumenical month ho): 6x Lugonu, 6x Ru, 5x Ashenzari, 5x Cheibriados, 5x Yredelemnul, 5x Jiyva, 4x Trog, 4x Fedhas, 4x Zin, 4x The Shining One, 2x Dithmenos, 2x Kikubaaqudgha, 2x Makhleb, 2x Sif Muna, 2x Pakellas, 2x Vehumet, 2x Gozag, 2x Okawaru, Elyvilon, Xom, Nemelex Xobeh 17:28:00 !lm * god.ecumenical crace!=ho recent s=god% 17:28:01 9587 milestones for * (god.ecumenical crace!=ho recent): 542x Gozag (5.65%), 501x Ru (5.23%), 497x Lugonu (5.18%), 496x Makhleb (5.17%), 493x Dithmenos (5.14%), 479x Cheibriados (5.00%), 478x Vehumet (4.99%), 476x Qazlal (4.97%), 474x Sif Muna (4.94%), 471x Xom (4.91%), 469x Jiyva (4.89%), 468x Ashenzari (4.88%), 450x Trog (4.69%), 449x Yredelemnul (4.68%), 449x Okawaru (4.68%), 426x Nemelex Xobeh... 17:28:09 don't think you need month really 17:28:20 well there was the gozag weirdness at the start 17:28:29 oh, was it biased for/against G? 17:28:41 100% of pray got gozag 17:28:42 until 64d902d 17:28:47 probably dpeg's handiwork 17:28:48 then I'd use that 17:28:49 !lg * cv>=64d902d 17:28:50 No games for * (cv>=64d902d). 17:28:51 and just get more data 17:28:53 vlong 17:28:57 nah, it was |amethyst ! 17:29:01 !lg . x=vlong 17:29:02 1400. [vlong=0.18-a0-1078-gebb93d0] chequers the Brawler (L14 TrMo of Okawaru), slain by a hill giant (a +0 giant club) on D:13 on 2016-01-14 10:59:18, with 65676 points after 17600 turns and 0:38:59. 17:29:08 !lg * vlong>=64d902d 17:29:08 -!- Tpain is now known as zhaorenwt 17:29:08 No games for * (vlong>=64d902d). 17:29:11 no 17:29:15 %git 64d902d 17:29:15 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1362-g64d902d: Don't make all ecumenical altars choose Gozag 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/64d902d41384 17:29:16 you need ver number 17:29:21 !lg * vlong>=0.17-a0-1362-g64d902d 17:29:23 646847. Moker the Caller (L1 MuSu), slain by a giant gecko on D:1 on 2016-01-14 22:29:23, with 0 points after 50 turns and 0:00:44. 17:29:34 !kw ecualtars vlong>=0.17-a0-1362-g64d902d 17:29:35 Defined keyword: ecualtars => vlong>=0.17-a0-1362-g64d902d 17:29:48 !kw ecualtars god.ecumenical vlong>=0.17-a0-1362-g64d902d 17:29:49 Defined keyword: ecualtars => god.ecumenical vlong>=0.17-a0-1362-g64d902d 17:29:56 !lm * ecualtars s=god -graph:area 17:29:58 9898 milestones for * (ecualtars): https://shalott.org/graphs/79a99c26596f9b87006d296050cafa0fca0865e9.html 17:30:05 !lm * god.ecumenical ecualtars s=god% 17:30:06 9898 milestones for * (god.ecumenical ecualtars): 527x Ru (5.32%), 514x Lugonu (5.19%), 514x Makhleb (5.19%), 511x Dithmenos (5.16%), 500x Vehumet (5.05%), 497x Cheibriados (5.02%), 493x Sif Muna (4.98%), 491x Qazlal (4.96%), 487x Xom (4.92%), 485x Jiyva (4.90%), 484x Ashenzari (4.89%), 476x Gozag (4.81%), 475x Trog (4.80%), 464x Yredelemnul (4.69%), 461x Okawaru (4.66%), 440x Nemelex Xobeh (4.45%... 17:30:19 doesn't seem to be much variation 17:30:45 given a sample size of only 500 or so per god 17:30:47 yeah. a few unusual ones, but I guess that's expected 17:31:41 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:41 so people in the threads were saying how they like altars but certain results require either quit or suffer wrath. I was wondering if those ones should be made less likely/impossible 17:31:54 certain results? 17:31:59 say sif for people without a book start 17:32:12 no way 17:32:12 tso for VM 17:32:38 you get a piety boost for taking the chance 17:32:38 that's not a quit/wrath thing so much as "find a book" 17:32:38 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:32:58 tso for vm is one of those unfortunate things, yeah, but this is the conduct you chose 17:33:03 if it were "get a piety boost, and an early god, and that god is guaranteed to be one who's good for your character" i'd take it every time 17:33:11 yeah 17:33:18 well, I think "good" is strong 17:33:32 strong for what? 17:33:37 you could get eg xom on anyone, or fedhas on Ne 17:33:42 he means he'd rather i'd said "not awful" 17:33:47 right 17:33:56 well xom is a quite or wrath situation 17:34:04 by the definition you/they are trying to use 17:34:05 s/quite/wrath/ :P 17:34:15 well in that case you wouldn't get chei on anyone 17:34:16 why allow fedhas for Ne and not TSO for VM? 17:34:33 what would chei fanatics say to that 17:34:37 right, I hope it's obvious why making this altar into a Big List of special cases 17:34:40 is a bad idea 17:34:52 yeah, I think I actually like TSO for VM 17:35:00 since you abandon, and then you can't worship an evil god 17:35:03 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:35:03 kvaak: what if we went the other direction, and change ecu altars to always chei 17:35:10 amalloy: wouldn't change a thing 17:35:15 r e k t 17:35:24 ecumenical_altar[2 is all the experience I'll ever need 17:35:32 ??ecumenical_altar[2 17:35:33 ecumenical altar[2/2]: One milestone for kvaak (milestone~~ecumenical_altar): Cheibriados 17:35:37 haha 17:35:46 mine looks similar actually 17:35:54 !lm . god.ecumenical 17:35:55 1. [2015-12-08 23:21:43] hyperamalloy the Ogre Mage (L6 OgFE of Pakellas) prayed at an ecumenical altar on turn 4481. (D:3) 17:36:06 that doesn't look like chei 17:36:10 does pakellas prevent you from running away from goblins 17:36:31 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:36:32 amalloy thinks that slow movement is a buff and Na are the strongest species 17:36:49 i came close to stabilizing on that OgFE 17:37:13 but having all my MP suddenly stop regenerating, when i had mostly fire magic as killdudes, was awful 17:37:26 i went hard on a mace or whatever, but couldn't get there fast enough 17:37:31 oh no, poor og 17:37:45 whatever shall they do if they can't cast fire magic 17:38:13 die, apparently 17:38:34 I don't think they would 17:38:40 unless you played them a certain way 17:38:56 you hear that amalloy? you screwed up! 17:39:01 dang 17:39:06 my first ever crawl mistake 17:39:07 oh no amalloy definitely 17:39:14 literally could not win that game, it was unwinnable 17:39:33 !learn add amalloy Once lost a game that he could have won 17:39:34 amalloy[5/5]: Once lost a game that he could have won 17:39:59 ?? amalloy[own entries 17:40:00 I don't have a page labeled amalloy[own entries in my learndb. 17:40:14 I just like the idea that a species with +4 m&f apt and all that hp has to ^q when it loses fire magic 17:40:20 !apt og 17:40:21 Og: Fighting: 3!, Short: -4*, Long: -3*, Axes: -3*, Maces: 3!, Polearms: 0, Staves: -1, Slings: -3, Bows: -3, Xbows: -3, Throw: 0, Armour: -2, Dodge: -1, Stealth: -1, Shields: -1, UC: -1, Splcast: 1, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -3, Charms: -3, Summ: -3*, Nec: -3*, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -3, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -3, Earth: -3*, Poison: -3*, Inv: 1, Evo: -2, Exp: 0, HP: 3!, MP: 0 17:40:22 well obviously not 17:40:26 ok +3 17:40:38 pakellas would have been fine *eventually* 17:40:49 but early on i had no mace to train 17:40:59 and fire was killing dudes 17:41:06 sure, well you had a mace certainly 17:41:14 a club or something 17:41:18 !log . ogfe 17:41:19 1. hyperamalloy, XL7 OgFE, T:7509: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/hyperamalloy/morgue-hyperamalloy-20151209-015302.txt 17:41:26 you need the .lst 17:41:32 !list amalloy ogfe 17:41:35 does that work 17:41:44 !lst amalloy ogfe 17:41:45 1. hyperamalloy, XL7 OgFE, T:7509: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/hyperamalloy/morgue-hyperamalloy-20151209-015302.lst 17:43:12 wow those are bziped? 17:43:37 (0, 0, D:1) a +0 club 17:43:37 (7, -41, D:1) a +0 club 17:43:38 etc 17:43:47 yeah, weird how the file extension doesn't show thi 17:43:48 buff clubs 17:43:54 <|amethyst> hmm 17:43:56 he's carrying a flail in the morgue... 17:44:01 <|amethyst> wonder why that's being bzipped 17:44:21 support xz! 17:44:31 why is that relevant, the issue was if there was a m&f to train with early 17:45:01 that's one great thing about m&f, you'll always find one wherever 17:45:06 <|amethyst> !cmd !lst .echo $(replace .txt .lst $(!log .)) 17:45:07 Redefined command: !lst => .echo $(replace .txt .lst $(!log .)) 17:45:16 <|amethyst> !lst neil won 1 17:45:17 11905. neil, XL6 TeCj, T:2553: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/neil/morgue-neil-20160111-010815.lst neil won 1 17:45:24 <|amethyst> err 17:45:25 <|amethyst> oop 17:45:32 longswords can be a bit trickier, even though they have (I think) better brand dist 17:45:38 I've never actually looked 17:45:43 oh, objstat could indicate this I guess 17:45:45 <|amethyst> !cmd !lst .echo $(replace .txt .lst $(!log ${*:-.})) 17:45:46 Redefined command: !lst => .echo $(replace .txt .lst $(!log ${*:-.})) 17:45:51 <|amethyst> !lst neil won 1 17:45:52 1/3. Neil, XL27 SpSt, T:120543: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Neil/morgue-Neil-20110831-025826.lst 17:47:21 hm, the lst files on CPO are not bzipped 17:47:38 <|amethyst> yeah, they're not on most servers 17:47:44 they can get pretty big 17:48:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:48:22 I guess it's still a fairly small fraction of the size of morgue files, but probably appreciable disk space still 17:48:25 heh. funnily enough, on both samples I tested xz results in larger files than bzip2! 17:48:35 gammafunk: compared to ttyrecs they're miniscule though 17:48:54 yeah, we don't compress morgues 17:49:16 so what I was saying isn't all that relevant; if morgues aren't worthy of compression than .lst files aren't, I guess 17:49:28 s/than/then/ 17:49:57 <|amethyst> not sure what's doing the compression, but on the filesystem they're .lst.bz2 etc 17:50:08 <|amethyst> on CAO 17:50:19 -!- Mordru has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:50:38 <|amethyst> and then there's an apache rewrite rule that looks for foo.bz2 and serves it as-is (intended for ttyrecs) 17:52:18 -!- mong has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:53:05 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 17:53:34 I should probably make objstat have a per-class summary for weapons/armour 17:54:31 <|amethyst> class for armour being slot? 17:55:00 <|amethyst> or heavy/medium/light? 17:55:04 <|amethyst> (or both) 17:55:19 right, it'd need to be defined in an enum or something 17:55:24 so probably slot 17:55:41 I hadn't considered that; I guess for weapon we're talking the skill 17:56:08 <|amethyst> would magical staves also be counted under weapons/staves? 17:56:33 <|amethyst> and rods under weapons/m+f (I guess the answer doesn't have to be the same, since they're used in different ways) 17:56:36 I think not since they don't have enchants/ego 17:56:51 yeah rods have their own file as well 17:57:20 staves and rods each have their own files at present, which is probably just the way it should be 17:58:03 rods in particular have fields like mana and recharge which aren't even in other weapon types, not to mention you don't melee with them these days 17:58:22 <|amethyst> My thought was, if you're interested in "how common is this weapon skill compared to others?", you probably would want to count at least some magical staves 17:58:36 <|amethyst> but I guess that doesn't fit with the way objstat works 17:59:36 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:59:36 <|amethyst> because as you note they have different fields, but the tables are just arrays 17:59:44 well what you're saying is true at least with respect to staves, and a simple solution is to include staves in weapons and as their own thing 17:59:56 it's easy to add stave tallies into the weapon tallies 18:00:02 <|amethyst> yeah 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:05 as well as keep them in a staves tally 18:00:12 but it's a big increase in the rows of weapon file 18:00:49 and since you have the staves file which you can manipulate in a spreadsheet (moving it into the weapon file if you wish), I'm not sure it would improve output 18:01:12 staves file will give you the number, sd, and other relevent fields for frequency 18:01:42 fr: move all that crawl code for objstat into lua 18:02:14 I guess mapstat would also be a nice candidate for that 18:02:27 and just make dlua exposure for anything those need 18:02:36 <|amethyst> move it all into sqlite 18:02:43 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:03:03 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:03:28 |amethyst: actually, way back when you recommended I try to make objstat more suitable for parallel runs, and I was recently thinking how the only way to do this would be to try to maybe save the generated objects into a special crawl save 18:03:32 and combine them later 18:03:41 but maybe sqlite would be a better medium for this 18:03:59 then you could way more easilly have a script to combine iteration results 18:05:34 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest49890 18:06:10 -!- Guest29423 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:30 don't really need the save compat that using crawl's binary save format can provide (assuming said code is reusable for this) 18:07:31 <|amethyst> sql could give you better save compat anyway 18:08:02 <|amethyst> particularly if you come up with some way to store the enum names in a table 18:08:35 -!- Guest49890 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:08:51 -!- Vodkovich has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:08:54 <|amethyst> I mean, for the particular purpose of being able to use one database to store information from executions of different versions of crawl where enums might change 18:09:12 I see 18:10:02 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-1084-g259f6cf (34) 18:10:23 a cool result from that could be that the tallying wouldn't need to be done in crawl at all, but rather with any script 18:10:30 so I can write objstat in my beloved python 18:12:19 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:53 -!- Vodkovich has quit [Client Quit] 18:15:04 -!- soliny has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:17:12 <|amethyst> hopefully the tallying could all be done with views and SQL queries 18:17:25 <|amethyst> well, maybe not all 18:18:32 yeah, but those would be carried out by the script, I guess 18:18:48 <|amethyst> probably 18:19:07 but yeah that's a good point, no need for the infinitely nested for loops etc 18:19:12 <|amethyst> I don't know if sqlite even does stored procedures 18:19:35 <|amethyst> and probably wouldn't use them here even if it did 18:31:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:33:26 clearly crawl should use sqlite for its save system 18:37:07 <|amethyst> it should use core dumps 18:40:28 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:40:48 -!- Vodkovich has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 18:42:19 -!- njorth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:48 perhaps we could just simplify the code and disallow saving entirely 18:45:03 better go fast realtime every game so you can finish in a few hours 18:51:02 -!- zwisch has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:54:54 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:16 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58:51 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:05:06 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:08:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:10:00 <|amethyst> also ironman mode 19:10:06 <|amethyst> since other levels don't exist 19:11:02 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:18:16 oh dang 19:18:19 forgot about that 19:18:38 I guess we could make crawl keep all levels swapped into memory 19:20:31 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:20:32 -!- culcube is now known as phyphor 19:24:13 -!- 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20:01:46 -!- Yermak has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:02:02 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 20:02:07 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 20:02:47 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:03:04 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 20:04:21 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:04:36 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:06:36 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:08:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:58 -!- Wah has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:51 -!- jefus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:15 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:21:08 -!- meatpath has quit [Client Quit] 20:24:18 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:32:47 does anyone have an opinion on 7371 20:33:09 my vague feeling is that it's a bug (easy fix), but I could probably be persuaded 20:37:39 <|amethyst> seems buggy... 20:37:47 <|amethyst> I also wonder about ground_level() 20:38:12 ? 20:38:28 <|amethyst> does it make sense to consider tentacles to be on ground level 20:38:34 <|amethyst> since they're not attached to the ground 20:39:34 <|amethyst> oh, I guess then the tentacles wouldn't go in and out of the water 20:39:49 <|amethyst> maybe because they're so big they have to rest on the ground 20:40:03 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:41:34 <|amethyst> ohh 20:41:38 <|amethyst> they already have M_FLIES 20:41:40 <|amethyst> never mind me 20:42:21 oh 20:42:25 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1085-g3fdbf39: Tentacles shouldn't trigger most traps (7371) 10(81 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3fdbf390a565 20:42:29 oops 20:42:47 does flying still beat mechanical traps? 20:42:52 I forget 20:43:01 <|amethyst> I don't think so 20:43:10 ok 20:43:13 not critical either way, I suppose 20:43:22 <|amethyst> at least, it would be weird if flying defeated mechanical traps and not shafts 20:43:36 sure 20:43:59 <|amethyst> %git 6d4b6af 20:43:59 07wheals02 * 0.16-a0-2436-g6d4b6af: Make all traps trigger regardless of whether you are flying. 10(1 year, 2 months ago, 6 files, 32+ 30-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6d4b6af3df3c 20:45:02 pretty sure you could get away without that last line in the descriptions 20:45:12 it seems like the sort of justification that's only needed for people used to the old system 20:45:36 !bug 2592 20:45:36 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=2592 20:45:54 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 20:47:42 huh, enslaved souls can carry equipment? 20:47:50 and drop it, too 20:47:52 bizarre 20:48:50 GSC stands for Ghost-Shaped Club 20:51:58 so, *should* enslaved souls keep their original attacks, or some part of them? 20:52:16 kind of a can of worms 20:53:01 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:53:36 -!- Vizer has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:54:57 amalloy: not ghost-sized club? 20:54:58 Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:55:14 how big, exactly, is a ghost? 20:55:35 well, they have no mass, so infinitely small? 20:57:16 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:57:29 I suppose I don't really know what shape a ghost is, either. 20:58:23 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:58:46 i imagine it to be the same shape as what it was as living 20:58:53 but you know, the edges are ripply and transparent 20:59:13 -!- Harudoku_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:59:28 wobbly green ghost 20:59:31 crawl is weird 21:00:02 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:31 no way 21:03:33 -!- Harudoku has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:03:43 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1086-g1b85438: Prevent ghosts from being shafted. 10(47 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1b85438705a9 21:04:12 "shafted" is a very good verb. 21:04:50 ya 21:05:43 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:05:49 i do occasionally get shafted by a shafting to a room full of bad 21:08:28 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:45 -!- West1C has quit [] 21:09:05 okay folks, I'm considering making combogod *** be a monster throwing power. Currently thought is that you'd pick an adjacent monster and a direction (ala semi-controlled blink). What terrible consequences of this idea have I not considered? 21:09:39 people will be sad that you can't throw monsters into lava 21:09:45 yeah 21:09:45 or watert 21:09:47 -t 21:09:51 blue lava 21:10:16 what if you can throw them into lava/blue lava, but only if the RNG picks the right tile? 21:10:26 should you be able to throw fliers 21:10:47 why wouldn't you be able to throw fliers? 21:10:52 you can be thrown, while flying. 21:10:59 oh, really? 21:11:01 k then 21:11:07 Lasty: I choose "standing next to an expanse of lava". your move 21:11:39 One Man Throws Cerebov Into The Lava. Teens React 21:11:53 PleasingFungus: sure, that's an option. Is that bad? Tornado can do it too... 21:12:00 and xom pieces! 21:12:05 really? 21:12:06 Dang 21:12:08 hmm 21:12:11 I Have to try that 21:12:12 ya, that one's popular 21:12:17 @xom pieces 21:12:26 Can they throw you in lava too? 21:12:32 flying over lava and swap positions 21:12:34 xom pieces? 21:12:43 probably not if you can't fly 21:12:44 yeah 21:12:47 good 21:12:48 but idk 21:12:53 isn't that a bit inconsistent 21:13:01 especially considering it is a player action 21:13:28 !source swap_with_monster 21:13:29 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/misc.cc#l699 21:13:30 I'd probably let it happen myself with a confirmation, but then again, I come from different grounds :p 21:13:52 ah, right, you can't dump cerebov directly into lava 21:14:01 but you *can* confuse him with it 21:14:01 which is the key 21:14:02 confuse him & land him next to lava 21:14:29 ah, yes 21:15:27 eh, I'm gonna sleep on it 21:15:30 FIQ: we generally frown on "press y to die" dialogues 21:16:28 Yeah I'm aware 21:16:42 it's against dcss principes 21:16:45 I mean 21:16:49 it's just kind of a waste of time 21:16:51 the users' time 21:17:07 if you want to suicide, hit the suicide button. otherwise, why should we bother you with a prompt? 21:17:19 heh 21:19:17 -!- st_ has quit [] 21:19:23 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:21:28 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 21:22:36 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:23:24 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:27:54 -!- Rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:05 -!- Rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:28:28 If anyone thinks of a better approach for 3* lemme know. I kinda don't want to do Throw. 21:28:59 haha 21:29:08 does every * need an effect? 21:29:21 What are the current powers? 21:30:49 PleasingFungus: yeah, I think so 21:31:31 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:31:43 PleasingFungus: I think it'll be a better experience if achieving every * feels like a goal to achieve 21:31:49 -!- LaularuKyrumo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:32:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:33:16 do you have any passives already? 21:33:44 Isn't the god's theme supposed to be dancing? 21:33:55 Am I recalling correctly? 21:33:56 PleasingFungus: no, not yet. I've considered adding damage-shaving based on piety. 21:34:27 nikheizen: ecstatic dance, yes. Themes include dance, emotion, parties, wildness, drinking, etc. 21:34:32 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:34:33 drinking!!! 21:34:45 Think Bacchus. 21:36:09 isn't damage shaving what makes DD so good 21:36:16 1* Stomp 1* Agility 3* Partner Pass 4* Movedelay reduction 5* Telefrag 6* Fortitude + Might 21:36:24 adding it on a race that can actually regen sounds... interesting 21:36:48 FIQ: yeah, that's a big part of it. The guaranteed healing wand helps too. 21:36:51 arguably, the rechargable hw is what makes - yes 21:37:08 It already exists in the Fortitude card and I think Lasty was planning on it being high piety for this god. So not maintainable. 21:37:24 ??fortitude 21:37:25 fortitude card[1/1]: Damage Shaving and a bonus to strength. 21:39:34 anyone around planning to do dieselrobin? 21:39:38 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Client Quit] 21:39:52 er 2* Agility 21:40:10 I am 21:40:13 I understand if you want him to have more actives though. 21:40:21 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 21:43:44 -!- nixor has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:49:37 i am 21:51:37 Lasty: two step targeting sounds painful. Why not just have the effect be to blink the monster away? 21:51:41 gammafunk or PleasingFungus are you interested in doing it 21:51:47 or even, blink every monster away 21:51:52 dieselrobin?? 21:51:52 Signups open in ##dieselrobin. Rules & Info: http://kramell.mooo.com/dieselrobin/rules 21:52:01 i need to steal 21:52:05 ??reserved clan names[5 21:52:06 reserved clan names[5/7]: Anti Player Species Monster Vendetta [gammafunk] 21:52:16 uh 21:52:20 -!- n1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:52:20 I'm guessing this page is out of date 21:52:30 just the trunk version i think 21:52:39 -!- n1 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:46 In the event that two or more teams have the same final score, each team will create a new account and start a MuCK. You may not abandon Xom at any point during a tiebreaker, and once you die, it's game over dude. 21:53:03 -!- n1 is now known as Guest53979 21:53:16 a great example of the sort of fair tournament ruleset i can get behind 21:53:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:54:26 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:54:41 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:43 chequers: one alternative I was considering was "force lance everyone around you" 21:56:01 or maybe "shotgun force lance" or something 21:56:16 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:38 everyone loves shotguns. 21:57:58 yep 21:58:14 item idea: when activated, causes an effect for the next four turns. each turn, two non-temprock tiles adjacent to the player are chosen and, if open (not walls, stairs, shops), are turned into temprock. 21:58:22 delayed tomb of dorkhole. 21:58:25 -!- Guest53979 is now known as n1k 21:58:27 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 21:58:27 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 21:58:43 it's like tele, but not quite the same? 21:59:24 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:05 Sounds pretty solid 22:00:08 in terms of power 22:00:09 what happens at the end of that time? they vanish? 22:00:15 Lasty: pun.... 22:00:21 !glasses 22:00:21 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 22:00:22 chequers: nothing. they vanish, idk, 10-20 turns later? 22:00:25 what happens to units? they get pushed away? 22:00:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:35 that is a very good question which I am pondering 22:00:35 they suffocate 22:00:40 due to being entombed in rock! 22:00:45 my vague thought is that walls shouldn't be created in spaces with enemies 22:00:47 but that might be too weak 22:01:03 it turns the bad guys into rock worms 22:01:10 because we all really miss them 22:01:19 rock whyreermz 22:01:29 was talking to someone who wanted me to bring back rock worms 22:01:32 a few days ago 22:01:39 haha 22:01:40 really? 22:01:55 really 22:02:22 i would have thought the most support they would have would be 'oh yeah, they were annoying' 22:02:43 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:03:04 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:12 Every now and then I talk myself out of creating a monster that's like a rockworm that never leaves walls. Some sort of rock piranha. 22:05:39 think of the code cost, please 22:05:43 also 22:06:10 most environments would cause that to have the same problems as all our old environment-restricted monsters 22:06:14 fish and lava fish and so on 22:06:18 it could work in a lab, maybe. 22:06:42 rock worms? 22:06:44 ??rock worm 22:06:45 rock worm[1/1]: A worm that burrows into walls (does not dig, just enters them), and is there protected from harm. Rock worm zombies retain this ability. Disintegration (only when in rock), freeze, vampiric draining, smiting, torment/agony, and shatter are the only ways to hurt them when in walls. Burrowed out of the game in 0.14. 22:07:44 PleasingFungus: don't worry, I won't do it 22:07:46 freeze... 22:08:01 Lasty: he says, fingers crossed behind his back 22:08:06 this was also during the time that freeze was secretly smite-targetted 22:08:20 wait 22:08:22 how long was that 22:08:29 ten versions or so 22:08:34 ! 22:09:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:10:14 hahaha 22:10:14 yeah 22:10:14 that was hilarious 22:10:28 for the record, that made freeze ridiculously powerful 22:10:38 even if it was annoying to actually use it that way 22:11:04 how long did you know about it? 22:11:21 only a couple weeks or so 22:11:27 i didn't abuse it until after i saw it on mantis 22:11:38 just turned out to have been a problem forever and no one had noticed it 22:11:43 or if they had they didn't mention it 22:12:11 remember 22:12:15 -!- driftw00d has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:12:17 the pan beogh secret tech 22:12:37 that those couple of korean lunatics kept to themselves 22:12:41 haha 22:12:41 no 22:12:44 what was it? 22:13:13 -!- Jessika has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:13:29 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest16220 22:13:53 let me look 22:14:18 i think you could bring dead orcs back to life using recall 22:14:19 -!- Dacendoran has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:15:21 ah. i mean, that's kind of funny, but it seem like that would have limited utility 22:15:26 it was really really strong 22:15:45 very useful for their beogh speedrunning ways 22:15:57 -!- sorlin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:16:13 hm 22:16:28 I'm searching 22:16:35 well this is weird 22:16:47 so I did ctrl+f to find a shop who sold acquirement 22:16:53 and pathfound to it 22:17:01 but it went to somewhere else 22:17:11 and when I try to check, it claims that it is the right position 22:17:21 looking at the overview for the floor, I do see the shop, but not where it led me.. 22:17:27 what's up with that? 22:17:48 blame wheals 22:17:50 imo 22:17:51 <_< 22:17:56 wheals: hi 22:17:57 ah, here we go 22:17:59 Player "크롤러" ("Crawler") reported a truly remarkable bug - when saving & loading in Pan, divine companions (from Beogh or Yred, or mercenaries that you acquired while following them) vanish & reappear fully healed when recalled. This has apparently been in the game for nearly a year and a half (added as an accidental byproduct of a fix for a beogh/yred follower cloning bug, amusingly),... 22:18:00 ...and... 22:18:02 ...no one here noticed. It's fixed in trunk now, but wow! 22:18:19 hahaha 22:18:24 hahah 22:18:28 but over a year and a half 22:18:30 its almost like nobody plays beogh/yred in pan 22:18:35 so that includes the entirety of 0.17 and 0.16? 22:18:35 yeah, almost 22:18:43 miek_: but only almost 22:18:48 oh, probably goes back to like 0.14 22:18:49 or so 22:18:55 heh 22:19:04 that quote was from july 2014 22:19:09 well, this came up because you could secretly smite-target freeze for a good ten versions 22:19:13 btw I drew the mercenary card earlier on cue 22:19:18 things still count as durably summoned 22:19:23 and evidently no one knew about it forever 22:19:27 wasn't that supposed to change? or is cue just slow on updates 22:19:34 except in korea! 22:19:38 hahaha 22:19:39 right 22:19:43 the thing about the freeze bug though 22:19:46 it still does count as summoned until you buy it 22:19:48 %git 9f6866c02e9a87294b6d9e8d2179736c080ff7f3 22:19:48 07|amethyst02 * 0.15-a0-1877-g9f6866c: Don't disappear companions from Pan on load (크롤러, PleasingFungus) 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 1 file, 6+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f6866c02e9a 22:19:51 was that it was a super OP bug that affected like all IE 22:19:51 if that was it 22:19:59 yeah 22:20:13 while this bug is actually kinda hard to abuse and revolves around taking suboptimal gods into extended 22:20:27 the thing is, no one ever actually uses the !/@ targeting tricks 22:20:33 true 22:20:35 i didn't even know about them until i saw the bug on mantis 22:20:45 but you don't have to play a whole game with a char to be able to abuse it once you find out how it works 22:20:48 even though they've been sitting in the manual since the beginning of time 22:20:51 haha 22:20:52 true 22:20:53 ^ does anyone know about that travel oddity? or am I doing something wrong? 22:21:02 never heard of anything like it 22:21:05 to clarify 22:21:08 ctrl+f 22:21:10 acq 22:21:12 find the shop 22:21:22 press a to pathfind 22:21:33 it locates the wrong destination square (but the correct floor) 22:21:39 do you end up anywhere near the shop? 22:21:45 maybe you moved the shop! 22:21:50 same floor, but around 30 tiles away 22:21:50 dirty cheater! 22:21:53 lol 22:22:01 -!- Final has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:22:15 wait hold on, I'll confirm the shop 22:22:22 just so I don't confuse it with another shop 22:22:34 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:23:00 -!- spring_break_08 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:23:03 oh, it's an uninitialized data thing i think 22:23:07 -!- Alcopop has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:23:13 ok yeah it is the right shop 22:23:25 and I tried to access it 22:23:31 and then go back 22:23:35 and go somewhere else 22:23:40 and it still finds the wrong position 22:23:40 think i have the fix 22:23:40 -!- koboldina has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:23:43 -!- Rast has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:23:46 the freeze bug was great for killing idiots like sigmund 22:23:48 or whoever 22:23:53 freeze bug? 22:23:57 by getting like a rat or something in between you and the 22:23:58 m 22:24:12 freeze could secretly be targeted anywhere onscreen, not just melee tiles, thanks to a targeting bug. 22:24:16 yeah, freeze was smite targeted if you pulled some trickery with how you targeted it 22:24:25 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-1087-g230c929: Give the right floor position for searched-for shop items (FIQ). 10(12 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/230c9292e154 22:24:52 ProzacElf: ah, heh 22:27:15 FIQ: thanks for noticing; i think the code disappeared in a revert i did earlier today 22:32:20 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:32:53 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:33:13 how exactly does "Wait here" work 22:33:28 because allies seems to ignore that command, but maybe I'm just mis-understanding what it does.. 22:33:49 I assumed it made stuff wait in place 22:33:49 -!- mekhami has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 22:33:56 but it doesn't 22:33:57 lol 22:34:15 iirc it sets them into wander mode 22:34:23 not 'follow the player' mode 22:34:29 don't quote me 22:35:06 well the thing I wanted to use it for was to stop orcish wizards from charging into elephants and promptly get killed 22:35:13 but it didn't really do what I wanted lol 22:35:39 yeah you probably want to use retreat for that 22:36:18 yeah I ended up doing that 22:36:31 find a space where retreat makes them cornered (so I can still make them gain xp) 22:36:42 so they don't end up fleeing outside LOS 22:37:21 it would be nice if spellcasting allies knew to keep their distance (assuming they have ranged spells, that is), but it might be unbalanced with current loadout of spellcasters 22:37:22 I dunno 22:38:09 right now monsters just have the same ai when hostile as allied 22:38:11 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39:20 Yeah, and that's probably a good thing 22:39:22 for consistency 22:41:12 w e a l l l 22:41:23 there's a bunch of spells that are disabled for allies 22:41:42 well, I guess monster animate dead is gone now? but it was disabled for allies 22:41:59 btw, how does monster leveling work? is there a cap? 22:42:17 or could you technically end up with an orc sorcerer with 30HD 22:42:21 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:42:22 at 27, i think 22:42:32 well 27 then 22:43:34 having an orc sorcerer with 27HD would be fun :P 22:43:40 allthough he wouldn't know any new spells 22:43:53 (granted, nothing wrong with Paralyze) 22:48:37 wheals: any thoughts on the nicest way to choose n random distinct elements from a set of m possibilities? 22:48:46 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50:13 i would choose a random element and remove it n times, but there's probably a better way 22:50:50 shuffle, choose first n 22:51:05 years ago, I looked into this and found that you can in fact do it faster than that 22:51:28 but I don't remember how 22:52:09 "It turns out that there is, and as usual, the answer can be found in Knuth." 22:52:31 ahh, it's a variant on Grunt's Algorithm! 22:52:33 I should've known... 22:53:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:58:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:00:03 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:03:11 -!- muravey has joined ##crawl-dev 23:04:15 -!- Guest16220 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:02 !tell pleasingfungus you just do a fisher-yates shuffle, but stop after N steps, and then the first N items in the array are the ones you take 23:07:03 amalloy: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 23:08:13 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:15 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:16:08 amalloy do you want to do dieselrobin? 23:28:52 -!- jspengler has quit [Client Quit] 23:29:01 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:34:56 the fisher yates shuffle is what all the cool kids are dancing this year 23:38:43 -!- muravey has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:40:32 is that combogod's 5*? 23:43:16 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:43:42 !tell wheals no dieselrobin for me, no 23:43:43 amalloy: OK, I'll let wheals know. 23:45:45 haha 23:45:49 i bet it is 23:46:03 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1088-g34ef3a2: Don't comment that Beogh helps with 'orcish gear' 10(6 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34ef3a245068 23:46:57 would devs say "Xom isn't intended to be a viable god choice." ? 23:47:05 -!- eb_ has quit [] 23:47:09 or is that just a player meme 23:47:18 what does viable mean 23:47:18 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 23:47:30 https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=18856&view=unread&sid=3b57287608cdd2adf8c14e0df756a21e#unread 23:47:32 a good idea if you want to win 23:47:38 I guess something like "better than atheist" 23:47:56 !tell wheals idk that I'll have the energy/time but I'll think about it, nag me at some point 23:47:57 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let wheals know. 23:48:14 I think the intention is to not have it be outright debilitating (most of the time at least, Xom is Xom after all) 23:48:26 thus the fact that Xom never kills you outright 23:48:37 I do not think that xom is really intended to be a good idea if you want to win 23:48:40 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:48:48 PleasingFungus, neither do I 23:48:48 !lg * xikiller~~xom 23:48:49 Unknown field: xikiller 23:48:50 better than atheist... eh. could go either way 23:48:55 !lg * cikiller~~xom 23:48:55 -!- Misder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:48:57 6080. emeraldemon the Chopper (L8 DsCK of Okawaru), slain by a small abomination (summoned by the capriciousness of Xom) on D:5 on 2016-01-15 03:22:33, with 1212 points after 4311 turns and 0:31:00. 23:49:03 but I don't think they intend it to be awful either 23:49:07 just.. chaotic 23:49:17 the point of xom is randomness, and that's going to be bad in a roguelike 23:49:22 because worst case is 'you die' 23:49:37 yes, xom can stil banish when you're bored, and boredom is random 23:49:37 over time 23:49:48 xom will end up killing you 23:49:52 if you give him the time to do so 23:50:08 which is sort of a problem for th ecumenical altar 23:50:24 -!- Bcadren has quit [Quit: I couldn't repair your brakes, so I made your horn louder.] 23:50:27 like, clearly an ecumenical altar that can't give you xom is not an option 23:50:43 are you talking about the faded altar? 23:50:51 yes 23:51:03 because I once tempted fate by saying in ##crawl the 1st time I tried that thing out 23:51:07 "watch it be xom" 23:51:10 lmao 23:51:11 of course it was xom 23:51:18 !random fiq chequers xom 23:51:21 but the game was great fun anyway 23:51:23 oh 23:51:25 but haha 23:51:26 !choose fiq chequers xom 23:51:27 I like xom 23:51:28 hm 23:51:32 !rng xom chequers 23:51:32 The RNG chooses: xom. 23:51:34 ty 23:51:36 much better 23:51:37 !rng xom chequers cang 23:51:38 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:51:38 The RNG chooses: xom. 23:51:42 oh i thought cang won 23:51:48 I wonder if someone removed cang 23:51:59 !rng a cang 23:51:59 The RNG chooses: a. 23:52:00 cang 23:52:00 cang 23:52:04 ahh 23:52:10 gong 23:52:11 is that a true rng except when one of the choices is xom? 23:52:11 PANG! 23:52:19 afaik yes 23:52:21 well "true", you get my point 23:52:22 !rng 1 2 3 4 5 23:52:23 The RNG chooses: 5. 23:52:24 !rng 1 2 3 4 5 xom 23:52:24 The RNG chooses: xom. 23:52:35 ??xom 23:52:36 xom[1/11]: thinks this is hilarious! 23:52:42 anyway, I do wonder what to do about xom/faded altar 23:52:48 I don't think there's anything that needs doing 23:52:53 you can just say "suck up the risk" 23:52:53 I'd say make it stay 23:52:59 but it's sort of like monsterous ds 23:53:00 I mean, you can get Lugonu/Jivya there too 23:53:03 as a rando it seems perfect that you can get Xom tbqh 23:53:05 as I posted in the thread just now, xom wrath is quite weak 23:53:10 urgh I hate monstrous ds 23:53:12 there's a certain subset of people who wuii just ^Q if it happens 23:53:15 like, not the concept per se 23:53:16 ok 23:53:18 PleasingFungus: that's a great point imo 23:53:18 but the randomness 23:53:33 monstrous ds might be a bit too common 23:53:38 xom wrath is just xom in a bad mood 23:53:53 aren't they like 1/10 23:53:54 PleasingFungus: isnt it 10%? 23:53:56 PleasingFungus, keep in mind that it gets annoying if you *want* monstrous Ds 23:53:59 to lower it 23:54:09 e.g. monk or whatever 23:54:12 the last time I was playing ds, I kept getting monstrous 23:54:14 bad odds...... 23:54:15 imo less than 33% = never 23:54:34 but yeah I usually escape the dungeon if I end up monstrous 23:54:44 I also did it for nightstalker until I learned how monster LOS worked 23:54:53 (perhaps this should be documented somewhere) 23:55:09 btw what do people in here think of Infusion being changed to 2+(spellpower/10), spellpower cap of 60 23:55:18 instead of the 2+(spellpower/25), spellpower capping at 50 it is now 23:55:29 isn't infusion like 23:55:34 completely worthless atm 23:55:39 not totally 23:55:52 it gives an extra dagger's attack more or less, no? 23:56:00 which becomes useless at like D:3 23:56:01 I mean it'll save you from early adders or bad luck vs hobgoblins 23:56:12 not other L1 spells are *that* quick to get obsolete 23:56:22 but I would like it to scale better, which is why I'm asking 23:56:23 what background starts with infusion? 23:56:26 skald 23:56:29 skald 23:56:33 book of battle thing 23:56:45 infusion, song of slaying, etc, that role 23:56:48 does increasing spellpower increase mana used? or is that constant per attack 23:56:57 it's 1 per attack iirc 23:57:06 I think it drains 1 per attack 23:57:06 infusion? it's 1 per damaging attack 23:57:06 once you get spectral weapon most of the time you'll never use infusion ever again 23:57:23 I'm totally fine with infusion being very early-game 23:57:25 presonally 23:57:25 you won't use infusion past xl2 23:57:27 Shard1697, well it's not an issue that a level 1 spell gets obsolete, but yeah, as-is I think it happens too fast 23:57:29 as for your proposal 23:57:34 sure 23:57:40 I mean I'm not saying make it great 23:57:53 I'm saying instead of being 1d4 max, it could be 1d8 max, basically 23:57:55 yeah 23:58:02 with slightly higher max spellpower 23:58:03 I would be ok with this 23:58:05 not sure about spellpower cap changes 23:58:14 we don't have many weird spellpower caps, mainly because we don't display them well 23:58:35 what values are easiest to display? 23:58:41 ??# 23:58:41 spell power[4/5]: Got bars (#)? You have at least 0, 10, 15, 25, 35, 50, 75, 100, 150, 200. 23:58:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:59:08 you could compare with L1 elemental spells which are generally superior, but these roles has *no* melee, so infusion *should* be worse, but if a spell gets useless by D:3, I think something is wrong 23:59:11 your proposal sounds good 23:59:17 there's maybe one or two player spells that aren't capped at those levels 23:59:29 PleasingFungus: could be 2+(spellpower/15), spellpower cap of 75 then 23:59:35 * PleasingFungus shrugs 23:59:37 could 23:59:58 also, infusion already has 6 bars already, right?