00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:09 q: can I get away without implementing omnireflect for monsters 00:00:11 or would people complain 00:00:13 chequers: I was, then it got pushed back on account of the 0.17 release and then I got distracted 00:00:42 actually I'm pretty sure it would be grunt very specifically and exclusively who might complain 00:01:08 and who cares about that guy 00:01:15 agreed 00:01:30 PleasingFungus: if you don't implement it, you won't kill someone in Lab with it 00:01:59 You mean- not allowing monsters to benefit from the warlock's mirror's reflection? 00:02:12 PS, code review on that PR is requested 00:02:16 !lg * br=Lab ckiller!~ghost|minotaur s=ckiller 00:02:17 5105 games for * (br=Lab ckiller!~ghost|minotaur): 3959x a minotaur, 192x a gargoyle, 151x a minotaur zombie, 126x quitting, 101x a trapdoor spider, 73x starvation, 66x a player ghost, 54x Donald, 52x a minotaur skeleton, 44x an unseen horror, 32x a basilisk, 25x an earth elemental, 22x a shadow, 14x a catoblepas, 12x trap, 10x cloud, 9x a wandering mushroom, 9x you, 8x a shadow wraith, 6x an Exec... 00:02:20 nikheizen: the special super-reflection, yeah 00:02:29 since it requires more code, and I am VERY lazy 00:02:40 chequers: good date 00:02:48 ??radiation 00:02:48 I don't have a page labeled radiation in my learndb. 00:02:53 PleasingFungus, obviously the solution is to prevent monsters from picking up ALL standarts ever. 00:03:05 standarts... 00:03:20 radiation is canonical in crawl, right? 00:03:25 only allow croucharts 00:03:27 magical radiation 00:03:43 which basically works the way radiation works in 60s movies about giant ants or w/e 00:03:55 chernobyl school of witchcraft and wizardry 00:04:04 it's one of my favorite things about crawl flavor 00:04:06 why? 00:04:19 an important part of the emperor scorpion 00:04:30 * bh writes Donald orb speech 00:04:36 regret-index: ! 00:04:41 hadn't even thought of that... 00:05:03 is spider's nest dug out of fantasy yucca mountain? 00:06:07 chequers: when I see the line "bool success = false;", I become sad. imo pull that entire for loop (abil:2803) into a static function and have it return true/false. 00:06:38 PleasingFungus: if it's not too hard can you put the comments in the PR? I won't work on them right now 00:06:40 OK 00:06:44 cheers 00:09:56 looks good, just some minor things 00:10:07 -!- flappity has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:28 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:11:26 03bh02 07* 0.18-a0-1061-g19eabb9: Add Donald Orb speech. 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 23+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/19eabb99f792 00:12:03 +@The_monster@ says, "I'll kill you once you're done carrying the Orb." <- a little odd since he'll also try to kill you before, and, in fact, while saying that 00:13:02 PleasingFungus: he doesn't want to carry it to the surface. He's lazy 00:13:11 but... 00:13:14 besides, he has plenty of weird "I'm not trying to kill you" lines 00:13:24 I'll poke at it in a sec 00:13:38 you're giving me ideas 00:14:06 @The_monster@ says, "Why did you bring me all the way here just to see the Temple?" 00:15:10 we might have more donald lines than are strictly needed. 00:15:22 perhaps 00:15:56 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:16:52 removing donald lines is tantamount to removing main.cc imo 00:17:51 ^ yep 00:20:02 03PleasingFungus02 07[warlock_mirror] * 0.18-a0-1040-ge41fa3c: Warlock mirror description 10(15 seconds ago, 1 file, 7+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e41fa3c765f0 00:20:09 did someone let bh add more monster speech? 00:20:27 -!- jinn_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:15 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1062-gb3af0b5: Swap out a Donald orb line 10(13 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b3af0b54722b 00:21:38 -!- jinn_ is now known as index-j 00:22:35 PleasingFungus: cheap plastic imitation imo 00:22:40 then it's also a nethack reference 00:23:09 -!- regret-index has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:23:21 -!- index-j is now known as regret-index 00:23:37 gammafunk: I would have put it that way if plastic existed in crawl 00:23:40 but it doesn't, so I didn't 00:23:46 oy, gammafunk 00:23:50 also the line was already getting a little long... 00:23:51 they don't have polymers? 00:23:52 oh hey yeah 00:23:57 oh, the zig thing 00:24:58 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:17 the notes I made were: scale back the zig scaling a bit, marginally less silent spectres in tar, marginally less daevas in holy, marginally less giant eyeballs in slime, and less greater mummies in tomb 00:27:14 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:27:46 I think yeah, the biggest concern is probably with things like spectres that have this massive effect on the level 00:27:52 -!- eb has quit [] 00:28:21 giant eyeballs don't really do that, it's more the spectres, but I'm not sure more of them will do very much given their speed? 00:28:37 marginally less daevas/gmummies might just play better I guess 00:29:31 For the earth set changes, I didn't see why they need to have the corroders removed; we do have a lot of crossover 00:29:57 rust devils, ...? 00:30:13 I need to take a look at the current set, are those already in earth 00:30:16 one checks a weird resist and reduces ac and the other only checks ac?... 00:30:18 they aren't 00:31:33 @??hell_sentinel 00:31:33 Hell Sentinel (071) | Spd: 10 | HD: 19 | HP: 121-168 | AC/EV: 25/3 08(spiny 5d4) | Dam: 40, 25 | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2907 | Sp: hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], iron shot (3d33) [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:31:57 hell sentinels end up not doing terribly well since they can't hellfire all the non-hellfire stuff and don't fly; one thing nice about shrikes is they resist shatter (and are strong as hell) 00:32:00 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:32:29 (they both go to the boylejm@gmail.com inbox, so it makes sense that I could get confused I guess) 00:32:31 oops 00:32:42 they absorb fire storm / glaciate / tornado a lot better, though 00:32:44 hexchat doesn't save history across rooms. 00:32:48 I guess the lower-end corroders (most especially weavers) could go, those do have some melee that works if you're corroded, but obviously they're only there for smiting in corrosion 00:32:54 %git :/novelty 00:32:54 07johnstein02 {gammafunk} * 0.17.0-77-g9042a03: fix a novelty vault to work better with squarelos 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 28+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9042a03b35d7 00:33:11 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 18 | HP: 90-123 | AC/EV: 8/18 | Dam: 3608(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4620 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:33:11 %??caustic shrike 00:33:17 that's the old version (maybe) 00:33:20 @??caustic_shrike 00:33:21 caustic shrike (09b) | Spd: 20 | HD: 18 | HP: 91-126 | AC/EV: 8/18 | Dam: 3608(acid:7d3) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(80), 05fire, 02cold, 08blind | XP: 4618 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 00:33:29 ok unchanges aside from random hp 00:33:49 fire storm and glaciate both make shrike melee not necessarily that easy 00:34:03 it's also worth noting they have, like, uh, 00:34:16 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:34:27 a 10% spawn chance in lair zigs by the sixth zig, under the patch 00:34:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:18 (of course, there's only the equal chance of hellephants to really abuse that there...) 00:35:21 -!- sitnaltax has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:35:25 right, well lots of monsters do appear in multiple sets, including many already in the sets; I guess my concern is more "provides high difficulty" more than just thematic concerns 00:35:49 *many already in the old earth set 00:36:21 I guess part of the problem with deciding this is that the sets just are all over the map in terms of difficulty 00:36:31 yes, it is an inevitable problem 00:36:39 because they're constrained to have e.g. "stuff from shoals" 00:36:49 once thing I'd hoped for the elemental sets is that they could all be harder sets 00:36:55 but ice doesn't really succeed there 00:37:03 waterstrike is actually very strong if one steps off the arch :P 00:37:33 we should fix that, somehow 00:37:41 temp water and features 00:37:43 !lg * recent br=zig killer=water_nymph 00:37:44 2. AFJsj the Axe Maniac (L27 HOFi of The Shining One), blasted by a water nymph (the raging water) on Zig:21 on 2015-07-05 03:38:16, with 740353 points after 69894 turns and 4:01:08. 00:37:55 !lg * recent br=zig 00:37:56 1204. melllvar the Sorcerer (L27 DEFE of Vehumet), demolished by a large abomination on Zig:25 on 2016-01-11 18:59:30, with 744878 points after 80606 turns and 7:08:16. 00:38:07 good name 00:38:15 @??water_nymph 00:38:15 water nymph (06m) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 43-59 | AC/EV: 4/13 | Dam: 1212(drown) | amphibious, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 12drown | XP: 522 | Sp: waterstrike | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:38:21 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:38:22 too bad no damage listing 00:38:28 .earthzig 00:38:30 20. Locke37 the Metallomancer (L27 DsWn of Ashenzari), mangled by a juggernaut on Zig:18 on 2016-01-07 00:17:51, with 659408 points after 81181 turns and 12:08:26. 00:38:34 I think the innate scaling already tries to help a bunch for the matter 00:39:04 granted, maybe it needs to scale faster, but e.g. 15% iron giants is pretty rough 00:41:24 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:41:32 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1063-gd78764b: Tweak new unrand descriptions 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 14+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d78764b8065e 00:41:36 -!- zhaorenwt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:42:26 anything else? 00:43:11 well I can't find the original PR, but how is floor filling done now? Did the filling get scaled down a bit? 00:43:16 Or does it not scale at all 00:43:26 Not the composition, but the number of monsters 00:44:28 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:44:44 maybe 20 zigs to reach the 700 cap under the patch 00:45:03 Yeah, ok, that should make MPA happy 00:45:22 (clearly, whenever save compat goes through that final breaking, the cap should be removed.) 00:45:38 things are a bit different now that you have to complete a zig to get another one, but I didn't want the filling to be removed and had thought it was when glancing at the patch 00:46:12 math.floor(10 + completed * completed + (depth * (depth + 8 * completed )) * math.max(1, completed * 0.75)) versus math.floor(10 + (depth * (depth + 8 * completed )) * (1 + completed * 0.075)) 00:46:20 (for what little that's worth :P) 00:47:26 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:03 -!- mekhami has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 00:48:47 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:49:24 while thinking about the future of zigs, there's something outside of the monsters that comes to mind 00:49:42 crushing walls 00:50:12 and it's that... "length-size hexagons"?... are much smaller in full floor size than the other sets, reaching a full floor well before the 700 cap easily 00:50:29 always did say the shapes need work 00:53:17 -!- koboldina has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:53:43 yeah, I've never looked at the layouts very much; I'm not sure what all changes you'd like to make there or what direction you want to go, but a patch will certainly get looked at 00:54:03 eh, kind of outside of my field of expertise 00:54:11 this is more of a drop-off than anything else 00:54:43 (...both the patch and that comment) 00:54:43 you're saying that said long hexagons should be made larger? 00:54:53 but yes, that 00:54:57 so they don't reach the cap artificially, ok 00:55:00 -!- mong has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:55:08 seems like an easy enough change 00:56:23 I'll get some edits for a second patch eventually, and then disappear 00:56:56 still do hate you all and all 00:56:57 -!- regret-index has left ##crawl-dev 00:57:40 Well I hate...your....butt 00:57:50 fucked up, if true 00:57:55 I'm trying to draw a hexagon but it's hard 00:58:06 hm 00:58:09 maybe it would be simpler if I drew 00:58:11 multiple hexagons 00:58:19 how high are you right now? 00:58:44 no comment. 00:59:39 I guess you can't actually do that 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:09 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:02:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1063-gd78764b (34) 01:04:35 wow, all these Medar updates to the wiki 01:06:29 they are mostly trivial ones 01:07:09 I dunno, you update Chuck. Nothing trivial about Chuck! 01:07:11 *updated 01:07:47 wow, Chuck has enchanted large rocks? 01:08:10 I didn't even check tbh. probably should have... 01:08:59 if (mon->type == MONS_CHUCK) 01:08:59 set_item_ego_type(w, OBJ_MISSILES, SPMSL_RETURNING); 01:09:12 nice 01:09:24 like, why not just give him more rocks.... 01:09:41 case MONS_CHUCK: 01:09:41 weap_type = MI_LARGE_ROCK; 01:09:41 qty = 2; 01:09:45 -!- jbalthetto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:10:31 at least make them flaming or freezing or silver or something cool! 01:14:40 Returning! 01:16:26 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:21:04 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22:40 ontoclasm: badtile inbound 01:23:01 * Medar takes cover 01:23:55 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 01:24:35 03PleasingFungus02 07[warlock_mirror] * 0.18-a0-1041-g7d8067b: warlock tile 10(27 seconds ago, 5 files, 7+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7d8067b36227 01:26:17 description retrofitted to fit the tile... smdh. 01:26:52 there is some cruft in the top-left of the tile? 01:27:02 lmao 01:27:04 the palette... 01:27:09 will fix it in a sec 01:27:22 heh 01:28:24 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:28:57 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:29:53 * ontoclasm buckles! 01:30:28 you're not the only one who should... buckle up.... 01:31:41 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1064-gd132116: New unrand: the Warlock's Mirror 10(3 days ago, 9 files, 63+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d132116e91ee 01:33:31 :D 01:33:32 reflect it or we collect it 01:33:34 it's the law. 01:33:38 now make a chaotic version that changes the spell on reflection 01:33:45 ! 01:33:56 that's a spicy mirror... 01:35:35 -!- zwisch_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:37:18 so the new secret ending for crawl is to escape with donald and yuif while they tell you about the armageddon you'll wreak 01:37:39 yiuf should have some lines about wanting to blow up the outside world 01:42:05 -!- toe_ has quit [Client Quit] 01:42:10 -!- kazimuth has quit [Client Quit] 01:43:19 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 01:44:36 not killing yourself with donald and yiuf each yammering in an ear as you ascend? 01:44:39 challenge mode 01:44:43 -!- nae_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:46:04 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:49:36 -!- zwisch has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:50:45 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:54:13 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:43 New Surface level. 01:54:58 uhh, you mean the plane of air 01:55:05 No. 01:55:17 It's a spa episode with Yiuf and Donald. 01:55:28 o-oh my 01:55:29 ;) 01:57:26 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 01:58:14 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Farewell.] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:03:05 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:03:55 -!- Sprort has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:09:13 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:16:07 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 02:24:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:29:51 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:37 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:43 -!- chewy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:32:44 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 02:33:08 -!- Algon has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:36:54 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 02:46:15 -!- Drusha21 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:48:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:50:20 -!- Harudoku has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 02:52:40 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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Use !messages to read it. 05:14:49 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:16:17 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:17:30 -!- twb has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:19:39 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19:40 -!- Nerem has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24:17 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:24:44 -!- Floodkiller has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:31:15 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 05:48:10 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56:48 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:22 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 06:06:25 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:07:05 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:16:24 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:21:24 I am surprised that Donald doesn't have an "I hate that" in his orbrun quotes 06:22:15 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 06:24:08 why does looking up items in ?/i not show the quote 06:27:35 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:29:36 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:32:46 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:38:10 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:08:09 soupofsoups (L10 OgAM) ASSERT(mons->hit_points > 0) in 'mon-util.cc' at line 2824 failed. (D:8) 07:09:07 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:11:47 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:12 !crashlog 07:12:13 12937. soupofsoups, XL10 OgAM, T:6710 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/soupofsoups/crash-soupofsoups-20160112-120800.txt 07:12:30 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:13:04 !gameinfo soupofsoups 07:13:06 soupofsoups the L10 OgAM^TSO in D:8 (cbro tiles), T:6710, defenses: 10/10/0, stats: 21/12/9 07:13:24 TSO + scroll of summoning 07:14:43 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:19:12 %git gccdb743 07:19:12 Could not find commit gccdb743 (git returned 128) 07:19:15 %git ccdb743 07:19:15 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-730-gccdb743: Merge branch 'master' into abyssrun 10(5 weeks ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ccdb743cd276 07:19:35 just an old version... 07:19:50 $versions 07:27:21 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:30:34 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 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reset by peer] 08:33:11 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:34:37 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:42:49 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:53:05 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:59 -!- arianwen has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 08:56:06 -!- kvaak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:58:03 <|amethyst> wheals: IMO just make it scrollable rather than a separate screen 08:59:07 -!- kvaak has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:07:06 that's a good idea 09:07:16 i just need to make sure the commands come before the quote 09:07:28 so they're always visible 09:08:45 <|amethyst> things like the stash prefixes could also be moved lower 09:09:29 <|amethyst> (below the spell list for rods, that is) 09:10:51 <|amethyst> and probably a few paragraphs could be combined ("It falls into..." and "You found it..." perhaps?) 09:11:32 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:29:04 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host 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13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e94b1858389 11:13:49 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1067-gcdacec3: Adjust vertigo messaging further 10(2 minutes ago, 2 files, 2+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cdacec3117bf 11:14:26 tweak, tweak! <> 11:14:52 No, for the last time, we will not be merging tweakshrikes!! 11:15:16 you can't stop me. 11:15:18 i'm unstoppable. 11:15:24 UNSToPPABLE 11:15:32 mm 11:17:32 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 11:19:02 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:19:07 -!- grimmulfr has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:19:13 hmm, would anyone miss one or more of: potions of degeneration, fire bats, hell hogs 11:19:38 <|amethyst> !degen should go 11:19:50 <|amethyst> IMO keep hell hogs for kirke 11:19:52 hrm 11:19:59 those aren't hell hogs, though 11:20:03 they're just hogs 11:20:04 porkalator is annoying though, yeah 11:20:08 <|amethyst> if she polymorphs a demon 11:20:10 if she targets a demon it makes a hell hog 11:20:18 that's also the only reason holy swine exist 11:20:21 wow 11:20:22 plus that one pan vault i guess 11:20:36 yeah, porkalator is good flavor, but not a good mechanic 11:20:44 for fire bats, hm 11:20:50 !lg * br=volcano s=killer% 11:20:51 <|amethyst> it's probably easier than it once was to add overrides for holiness 11:20:51 3601 games for * (br=volcano): 667x (18.52%), 320x a molten gargoyle (8.89%), 201x a lava snake (5.58%), 176x an orc warrior (4.89%), 121x a vampire (3.36%), 109x a fire elemental (3.03%), 107x a salamander (2.97%), 90x a sun demon (2.50%), 86x a gargoyle (2.39%), 82x a fire crab (2.28%), 81x a centaur warrior (2.25%), 79x a fire bat (2.19%), 78x a lindwurm (2.17%), 78x a hell knight (2.17%), 74x ... 11:20:55 <|amethyst> now that it's a bitfield 11:21:03 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:21:11 <|amethyst> so could implement that then make those two monsters just hogs with an extra flag and maybe a name: 11:21:18 wow, I guess they don't really kill anyone 11:21:26 !lg * recent killer=fire_bat s=place 11:21:27 411 games for * (recent killer=fire_bat): 188x Abyss:1, 58x Abyss:2, 27x D:8, 26x D:3, 22x Volcano, 17x Lair:1, 9x D:4, 8x Abyss:3, 8x D:9, 8x D:2, 6x Lair:2, 4x D:5, 3x D:10, 3x Orc:1, 3x D:1, 3x D:6, 3x Lair:3, 2x Lair:5, 2x D:7, 2x Abyss:4, Lair:6, Shoals:2, Swamp:4, Orc:2, D:11, Sewer, Lair:4, Shoals:1, Orc:3 11:21:33 <|amethyst> @??fire bat 11:21:33 fire bat (04b) | Spd: 30 | HD: 5 | HP: 19-26 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 604(fire:5-9) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(10), 04fire+++, 08blind | Vul: 12cold, 12drown | XP: 198 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 11:21:40 @??fire_elemental 11:21:41 fire elemental (05E) | Spd: 13 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 4/12 | Dam: 004(pure fire:9-14) | 11non-living, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 12cold | XP: 196 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless. 11:21:52 <|amethyst> give fire bats fireball 11:22:11 basically fire elementals do what they do, although they're slower 11:22:25 !send |amethyst efreet bats 11:22:26 Sending efreet bats to |amethyst. 11:22:32 oh fire bats don't even throw flame, i thought they did that for some reason 11:22:48 no, they just get to proc their af_fire a lot 11:23:25 hrm 11:23:30 they get a lot of kills on abyss:1, but 11:23:39 how many of those are xl1 characters 11:23:45 !lg * recent ak place=abyss:1 lvl<=5 s=killer% 11:23:46 17346 games for * (recent ak place=abyss:1 lvl<=5): 1885x a small abomination (10.87%), 1162x a thrashing horror (6.70%), 1125x a large abomination (6.49%), 1092x a wretched star (6.30%), 906x a raiju (5.22%), 834x (4.81%), 738x a starcursed mass (4.25%), 733x a smoke demon (4.23%), 499x an ancient zyme (2.88%), 475x an ufetubus (2.74%), 459x a sixfirhy (2.65%), 407x a tentacled starspawn (2.35%),... 11:23:59 <|amethyst> !lg * killer=fire_bat s=xl 11:24:06 990 games for * (killer=fire_bat): 481x 1, 101x 10, 65x 11, 63x 5, 50x 9, 46x 6, 35x 3, 35x 12, 33x 4, 22x 7, 16x 8, 14x 13, 13x 2, 6x 16, 4x 14, 4x 15, 17, 19 11:24:13 <|amethyst> !lg * killer=fire_bat s=place 11:24:13 990 games for * (killer=fire_bat): 391x Abyss:1, 121x Abyss, 79x Volcano, 70x D:3, 68x Abyss:2, 56x D:8, 34x D:4, 28x Lair:1, 21x D:9, 15x Lair:2, 15x D:2, 14x D:5, 11x Abyss:3, 10x D:10, 8x D:6, 6x Sewer, 5x D:11, 5x Orc:1, 5x D:1, 4x Lair:3, 3x Lair:4, 3x Lair:5, 3x D:7, 3x Orc:2, 2x Lair:7, 2x Abyss:4, Lair:6, Shoals:1, D:12, Shoals:2, Swamp:4, D:19, Orc:3, Lair:8 11:24:38 <|amethyst> fire bats on D:3 sound not terrible 11:24:51 sounds awful for Mu 11:24:59 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:25:17 <|amethyst> playing the game sounds awful for Mu 11:25:23 <|amethyst> just hang out in your tomb and chill 11:25:34 I'm not sure this is good reasoning (if you're serious) 11:25:40 <|amethyst> (I am not) 11:25:47 ok, cool 11:26:17 <|amethyst> compensate by removing the fire spellset from orc wizards 11:26:28 not the pubby approach! 11:27:10 I forget if he was changing Fo dig or changing all dig, and then gave all orc wizards dig 11:27:30 <|amethyst> oh hey 11:27:40 <|amethyst> the orc wizard with throw flame is also the one with confuse 11:27:50 <|amethyst> I guess that's the mummyslayer variant 11:27:50 @??orc_wizard 11:27:50 orc wizard (06o) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-17 | AC/EV: 2/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 39 | Sp: magic dart (3d4), slow, haste, blink / throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d4), confuse / throw frost (3d5), cantrip, haste, throw flame (3d5), magic dart (3d4), invisibility [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 11:28:16 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:28:31 aka sigmund 11:28:31 the orcs realised what a terrible threat mummies were to the orb and had train their wizards to specialise 11:28:43 Well, their confuse is fairly short duration; In practice with Mu I find them not to be too much a concern 11:28:53 of course I've only been playing MuSu (and that one G character) 11:29:13 <|amethyst> invis too, so they're specifically anti-musu :) 11:29:23 nope 11:29:28 we have a spell that makes furry friends 11:29:34 who see right through their tactics 11:29:52 hound to kills invis orcs is classic su 11:30:00 <|amethyst> right, but it takes a while before you can get two sinvs without lucking out on a shadow imp 11:30:13 no I mean familiar 11:30:14 <|amethyst> I guess one is plenty for an orc wizard 11:30:17 all those sinv 11:30:27 namely hounds do, remember? 11:30:29 @??hound 11:30:29 hound (08h) | Spd: 15 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-19 | AC/EV: 2/13 | Dam: 6 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(10), 08blind | XP: 42 | Sz: small | Int: animal. 11:30:30 <|amethyst> right, but you only have one at I time I mean 11:30:40 well how many do you need? 11:30:48 just move to a hallway 11:30:56 <|amethyst> that's why I corrected myself with "I guess one is plenty for an orc wizard" 11:31:01 right 11:31:30 hounds are really swol beasts, they're more like behemoths 11:31:35 <|amethyst> I was also thinking of orc wizards encountered before level 3 11:31:59 well that's pretty rare, the thing with su is you can always run 11:32:06 because you can always set up blockers for 1mp 11:32:19 and of course you have to get an orc that 1) has invis and 2) uses it at the right time 11:33:03 but anyhow I'm not sure, but maybe some place somewhat early D and fairly rare could be ok for fire bats, like |amethyst mentioned 11:33:15 I mean they do have significantly less hp than elementals 11:33:35 and are a lot harder to run from, so that's interesting, but they shouldn't be very common things if they go there 11:33:36 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:35:49 <|amethyst> (FR: monster with an AF_FIRE and an AF_COLD attack) 11:37:16 -!- Sprort has quit [Quit: WeeChat 0.4.2] 11:37:19 I think Grunt's crystal colossus was going to have an axe of freezing and an axe of flaming 11:38:17 http://imgur.com/a/1rMia 11:38:33 door regen <3 11:39:46 <|amethyst> hm 11:40:06 <|amethyst> I find that speed randomisation usually leaves me with the monster in the doorway before that many iterations 11:40:16 <|amethyst> s/find that/feel like/ 11:40:53 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:41:04 yeah, I guess he's getting lucky, but I've seen it go on for some time certainly 11:42:19 I like the "How do you enjoy it?" right before the door opening contest begins 11:42:57 or I guess it's a door closing contest, depending on your perspective 11:43:23 <|amethyst> door toggling contest 11:45:11 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:47:03 -!- reaverbot has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:04 -!- reaverbot has quit [Client Quit] 11:47:04 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 11:47:41 -!- chewymouse has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:50:18 ??mda 11:50:18 mottled dragon armour[1/1]: 6AC, 5ER, rNapalm. Can be created by enchanting a mottled dragon hide. 11:50:25 ??ring_mail 11:50:26 ring mail[1/1]: 5AC, 7ER. 11:55:29 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:56:14 -!- chukamok has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:58:31 -!- arianwen has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:59:02 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:32 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:06 hmm other stuff i have waiting in a branch: removing weapon skill's effect on spectral weapon 12:01:11 yes 12:01:34 currently i have hd scaling up to 27 at 100 power (instead of hd = wpn skill) 12:02:09 and damage scaling up as if current weapon skill was about 12 (so damage is multiplied by 1.5* at 100 power) 12:03:09 -!- WebFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:03:10 SGTM 12:03:12 which i think might be okay? since getting even to 100 is probably quite an investment, most casters will have it substantially lower than that i imagine) 12:03:36 hmm i don't know where the opening bracket there was meant to be so imagine there was one somewhere sensible 12:03:42 imo the really funny version of door-dancing is when the monster can't actually see you 12:03:46 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:03:56 so you close the door a couple times, and then the monster wanders off 12:04:59 I guess a good question is, what would be typical power seen by skalds from when the spell typically becomes castable until...I guess whatever power you'd have at maybe 10-15 int with 10 average skill 12:05:20 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:05:42 basically I'm wondering how much of a nerf it would be at low general power levels (which I think most melee-centric characters using the spell will have) 12:07:24 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:08:42 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:08:58 i think early you'd probably have it castable at like 20-40 power? like, 6 each of charms and hexes is enough even, and that gives you 22 power with 15 int 12:09:26 which puts it at 6-10 hd 12:09:47 so not far hd-wise from just weapon skill 12:09:49 so probably pretty similar to currently? if you have low power but ~10 skill 12:10:13 @??ice bat 12:10:13 ice bat (12Z) | Spd: 28 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-4 | AC/EV: 0/9 | Dam: 112(cold:1-2) | 07undead, evil, unbreathing, 07vault | Res: 06magic(1), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 1 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 12:10:38 then it'd become noticeably weaker later since you'd go above 12 wpn skill and currently wouldn't bother getting substantially more skill, probably 12:10:51 !lg * killer="ice bat" 12:10:52 3. Gemma the Ruffian (L4 GhMo), slain by an ice bat on D:3 (goddamned_bats) on 2014-04-23 01:03:11, with 166 points after 833 turns and 0:08:38. 12:10:57 substantially more power* 12:11:18 MarvinPA: what's the goal here? simplification? 12:11:37 or are you specifically trying to nerf/buff it at some stage of the skald lifestyle 12:11:49 simplification and nerfing late 12:12:21 I see an xl6 HuSk with 13 int and 6 charms, 3 hexes has it at 17% fail, and 13 power 12:12:35 -!- jefus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:46 <|amethyst> what skill would the husk have? 12:12:50 <|amethyst> weapon skil 12:13:07 probably 8-10 12:13:11 <|amethyst> because currently at 13 power you'd get not much more than 1/3 of the player's weapon skill 12:13:21 <|amethyst> so effectively ~3 12:13:26 maybe only 6-9 actually 12:13:26 as long as there's no major nerf early, those goals seems reasonable to me 12:13:45 !calc 27.0 * .13 12:13:46 3.51 12:14:12 versus I guess about twice that hd 12:14:22 not sure how much difference the hd alone will make, though 12:14:32 since it's mostly accuracy you'd care about? 12:15:00 !calc 12.0 * 0.13 12:15:01 1.56 12:15:14 would the effective skill be 1.56 if I had 13 power? 12:15:29 I think most sk start out casting the spell at pretty low power presently 12:16:21 but I guess the fact that the skill is 1.56 is maybe not such a big deal, it's just a damage multiplier 12:17:00 As in, I'm not sure how much more effective the weapon is if you create it with say 7 skill instead of 2 skill 12:17:31 <|amethyst> it would be higher 12:17:38 <|amethyst> it's 1/3 at 0 skill 12:17:39 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:17:43 not sure exactly how it translates to effective skill (i'm just calculating the damage multipliers), but yeah i think it's only especially noticeable at high skill 12:18:09 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:18:18 <|amethyst> !calc 12.0 * (1.0/3 + 0.13 * 2.0 / 3) 12:18:19 5.04 12:18:20 but yeah after the change it would likely have a higher damage multiplier than currently when at low skill, probably not noticeably though 12:18:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:05 <|amethyst> there's a damage multiplier table in there 12:19:09 <|amethyst> I see now 12:19:23 <|amethyst> !source ghost.cc:678 12:19:24 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ghost.cc#l678 12:20:39 yeah there's not a big difference in the multiplier, looking at 3 skill and 9 skill at lower power 12:22:16 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 12:22:35 !calc 0.2 * 12 12:22:36 2.4 12:23:05 oh is that calculation |amethyst did the way the effective skill would work? 12:23:22 !calc 12.0 * (1.0/3 + 1 * 2.0 / 3) 12:23:23 12 12:23:25 yeah 12:23:32 !calc 12.0 * (1.0/3 + 0.2 * 2.0 / 3) 12:23:33 5.6 12:24:57 !calc (1.19 + 1.06) / 2 12:24:58 1.12 12:24:58 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1067-gcdacec3 (34) 12:25:17 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 12:25:38 typical power if you've been training charms a fair degree is probably 25 if you've got 15 int 12:25:48 at say xl12 or so 12:26:20 maybe 1.12 multiplier versus presently where your maybe 15 weapon skill would get you about 1.3 multiplier 12:27:50 !calc 12.0 * (1.0/3 + 0.3 * 2.0 / 3) 12:27:51 6.4 12:27:54 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28:50 !calc 12.0 * (1.0/3 + 0.5 * 2.0 / 3) 12:28:51 8 12:28:53 i think the changes there are pretty inconsequential until later, still 12:29:36 Yeah, most sk-type chars are going to have a hard time getting enough spell power to get to even 9 effective skill 12:29:47 might just be early HD that's noticeable, could give it a constant 3 HD maybe, plus the spellpower-dependent bit 12:30:22 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:50 yeah, sounds reasonable overal 12:33:15 this seems reasonable, gives it ~5 HD if you're casting with ~10 power, 9 HD at 25 power 12:33:29 which sounds comparable to early weapon skills at those spellpower levels 12:34:29 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:10 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:47:01 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:47:10 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:49:02 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:51:51 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.4/20160105164030]] 12:52:36 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:10 -!- WebFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58:11 Something I wanted to bring up as well, how do we feel about rings of teleportation continuing to exist? 12:58:30 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:59:59 The early game antics from putting one on if you've not ided it (and have no rcurse) are amusing, but infinite teleport seems not to be the best thing in terms of what it encourages 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:43 -!- tcsc has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 13:03:19 i'd been vaguely intending to do something about them for a while yeah 13:04:05 Did you have plans to keep them in some form? 13:04:11 could possibly just remove the activatable aspect and leave the random tele (also for artifacts?), not sure really 13:04:48 Yeah, I guess it could be a stricktly bad ordinary ring 13:05:20 Hrm, actually if you did so, it would be amusingly still useful for high-risk situations 13:05:35 er high-risk gameplay 13:05:43 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:44 it uses new teleportitis rules at least, so probably pretty hard to actually abuse 13:06:13 yeah, I mean for characters trying to Go Fast (tm), it's helpful to be teleported to monsters as that's unexplored space 13:06:22 but yeah could be "useful" i suppose 13:06:35 It's not a bad compromise 13:06:44 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:07:22 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:07:51 *Tele on artes is sort of really annoying since you don't want to use it unless you're Fo or otherwise have -Tele already 13:07:52 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:19 as a player, when I find a tele ring I no longer really fear the abyss and banishment 13:08:31 right, it's really bad for extended in general 13:08:40 how bad is *Tele compared to the mutation levels? 13:08:55 oh, good question 13:09:03 one ring is 2 levels of teleportitis 13:09:17 ok 13:09:34 guess that would have to be a pretty good item to be used then 13:09:40 in my experience, you get teleported too much when you don't want it, and not quickly enough when you do. 13:09:55 p. good coding on that mechanic imo 13:10:21 Leaving in the ring and the artp does allow the cute tricks that speedrunners/risky players do, and the fun antics of "I *really* need remove curse right now!" 13:10:36 Leaving in the ring as just *Tele with no evocable power, I mean 13:11:41 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1068-gd3d7624: Remove potions of degeneration 10(4 days ago, 12 files, 41+ 50-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d3d7624ec50e 13:11:41 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-1069-g78c3604: Base Spectral Weapon's offensive scaling on spellpower rather than weapon skill 10(7 days ago, 7 files, 18+ 59-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78c3604fc1a1 13:12:22 yeah, it does sound good to me 13:12:44 asterion nerf! 13:12:47 I'm pretty sure I said on Tavern that I'll miss evocable tele, but I was surprised it was still around 13:13:17 Oh, hold on, let me go check my list of things archaeo said on tavern to verify 13:13:34 should such an item be called ring of teleportitis or would that be weird? 13:13:47 thanks for checking for me gammafunk 13:13:51 I'm fairly sure no speedrunner/risky players would ever want telepoopitis outside abyss 13:13:54 np 13:13:56 +s 13:14:10 I'm fairly sure they would 13:14:25