00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:02 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 00:03:33 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:10:39 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:10:40 ??@emperor scorpion 00:10:40 @emperor scorpion ~ emperor scorpion[1/2]: Has decent HP, great defenses, does a somewhat serious amount of melee damage. Still only average speed and lowish MR. 00:10:53 @??emperor scorpion 00:10:53 emperor scorpion (15s) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 101-139 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 3008(poison:28-56), 1509(claw), 1509(claw) | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1629 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 00:11:02 oops, got it backwards 00:11:24 !flip emperor scorpion 00:11:25 (╯°□°)╯︵uoᴉdɹoɔs ɹoɹǝdɯǝ 00:11:45 @??death scarab 00:11:45 death scarab (06B) | Spd: 30 | HD: 8 | HP: 24-33 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 3013(scarab) | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 760 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 00:12:30 you should probably do that in ##crawl though (or pm) unless it has something to do with development 00:12:59 !source delay.cc:783 00:12:59 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/delay.cc#l783 00:13:13 Is that still necessary now that "Stasis is gone? 00:14:26 it's developing a bad idea in relation to a Tomb-themed rune vault for Spider, but I'll remember to keep it to pm 00:14:49 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:16 nikheizen: guess not 00:15:31 -!- SSG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:16:12 !source nasty_stasis 00:16:12 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/invent.cc#l1523 00:16:59 looks like it might handle -Tele jewellery too, that still exists right? 00:17:21 Yeah it's an artprop 00:17:30 !killratio mara * recent 00:17:33 mara wins 1.567% of battles against * (recent). 00:17:48 even if such don;t currently spawn it would be necessary for older games 00:18:14 cekugob? 00:19:06 But didn't the amulet reform swap amulet enums, so they would be replaced when updating? 00:19:29 that doesn't change artproperties 00:19:40 it will change the base type, but not the other stuff 00:20:16 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:20:17 Oh I though you were talking about "Stasis in particular. 00:20:34 nikheizen: mm 00:20:36 Well, that geekosaur was. 00:21:33 there is no stasis artprop right? if so that code could at least be simplified 00:21:55 Nope. Only -Tele 00:22:58 Medar: correct 00:23:36 -!- Cryp71c has joined ##crawl-dev 00:25:09 I was talking in general; I don't even know offhand if any of those properties were made not to spawn 00:25:22 but even if they were, save compat means the game needs to support them 00:25:43 would a jumping spider spectre still be able to jump? 00:25:46 or things with those properties 00:26:49 Floodkiller: that should be easy to test in wizmode 00:26:56 @??spectral jumping spider 00:26:56 spectral jumping spider (03Z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 39-54 | AC/EV: 8/7 | Dam: 1613(drain), 6 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 276 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 00:27:03 @??jumping spider 00:27:03 jumping spider (12s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 8 | HP: 26-39 | AC/EV: 6/12 | Dam: 2000(ensnare), 8 | web sense | Res: 06magic(20) | Vul: 09poison | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 301 | Sp: blink close [11!AM, 06!sil], blink away [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 00:27:14 greensnark, you around? What type are your IRC bots? 00:27:49 ??sequell 00:27:49 sequell[1/4]: The ##crawl bot, handling game statistics, the {learndb}, and more. Operated by greensnark. See http://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md If you want the source, go here: http://github.com/crawl/sequell 00:28:05 I thinkbased on some of the error messages that it's ruby 00:28:37 ah, ruby and perl 00:29:53 thanks geek 00:45:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:46:14 lmao@the naming of stuff in rltiles/player/hand1 00:46:37 glaive.png, glaive2.png, glaive_three.png, glaive_three2.png 00:47:59 that's on purpose 00:48:05 !source dc-player.txt:667 00:48:05 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dc-player.txt#l667 00:49:36 I'm not quite sure what it means though... 00:50:13 Shard1697: yyyeeeeah 00:51:00 obv. i could fix it but it doesn't hurt anything and renaming stuff makes it harder to trace changes over time via git 00:51:26 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:51:36 so there is really no difference? all five are used the same way? 00:52:50 well 00:53:04 ___2 is the enchanted version of ___ 00:53:22 glaive_three is the bardiche doll tile for some reason 00:53:28 yes 00:53:34 ah, ok 00:53:56 (it's because they originally came from rltiles where they were all just different glaives) 00:55:26 so in a -sense- the problem is just that names for polearms are dumb 00:55:41 is invis an amulet now or is it just gone from jewelry? 00:56:31 it's gone as a base item 00:56:37 ontoclasm at least it's not nethack polearms 00:56:38 it can appear on randarts i think 00:56:51 ah 00:56:59 is it still on cloaks too? 00:57:08 nethack polearms are stupid 00:57:12 i think so 00:57:13 and nethack should feel stupid 00:57:16 =p 00:57:29 bill bec-d'-bardiche glaive guisarme 00:57:31 Yeah its still on polearms 00:57:42 I mean cloaks- stop saying polearms 00:57:45 rod_thick.png 00:58:01 polearms 00:58:03 polearms 00:58:15 !blame2 polearms 00:58:15 pppooollleeeaaarrrmmmsss 00:58:38 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:53 always be polearmin 00:59:00 -!- Naruni has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:59:30 I dunno Medar, I think your argument is really reaching there. 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:28 lucerne hammer 01:00:32 lochaber axe 01:01:01 is fauchard a polearm? 01:01:02 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 01:01:19 never heard of that 01:01:36 nethack has like a dozen different polearm weapons 01:01:41 that are mostly useless 01:02:20 "nethack has like a dozen different X that are mostly useless" 01:02:29 nethack.txt 01:03:20 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1027-g814d7dd (34) 01:03:36 It's probably the D&D heritage, D&D had the same issue. 01:04:26 Although I guess you can say that for most things in nethack too! 01:05:54 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:06:08 well, d&d also had 85 different polearms that were equally useless 01:06:18 even when they came out with the supplement to try to improve them 01:06:58 whereas they fill the important niche of 'not wasting a wand on sea monsters' in nethack 01:07:10 but don't worry, there are still all 85 of them 01:07:26 you know waht i'd really enjoy 01:07:35 a bill-guisarme? 01:07:45 a straight-forward traditional roguelike, just in real time 01:08:01 like, it often -feels- like roguelikes are real-time 01:08:02 still grid-based? 01:08:11 yeah, ascii and everything 01:08:28 sounds incredibly difficult 01:08:42 just that pressing buttons quickly actually does stuff faster 01:08:46 i'd enjoy a turn-based 40k computer game. but games workshop would sue the shit out of anyone who tried to make one 01:08:55 and monsters move on their own 01:08:57 because selling toys and books is their bread and buter 01:09:00 +t 01:09:03 haha 01:09:03 I hope I fumble thru my inventory quickly enough to find my healing potion before I bleed to death 01:09:09 yes 01:09:11 would hitting the button softer help my stealth? 01:09:17 because i do that anyway sometimes 01:09:17 ontoclasm: what about necrodancer? 01:09:18 yes 01:09:22 awesome 01:09:33 Floodkiller: well, necrodancer owns but isn't exactly what i mean 01:10:30 ProzacElf, someone on a forum I frequent said they emailed GW about releasing a 40k RL and GW gave their go-ahead as long as it wasn't commercial in any way or distributed across any platforms like Steam 01:10:44 wow, really? 01:11:09 I didn't ask them to show the email, but that's what they said! 01:11:13 rogue trader 01:11:18 i mean, i was thinking more of a think that actually modeled 40k, but an RL would be cool too 01:11:20 hahaha 01:11:22 rogue trader rules 01:11:36 ork gangs! pirate space marines! 01:12:03 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:16:38 Well if it played like actual 40k it would be priced like MTG Online- though I guess cockatrice exists, so maybe there is a way? 01:17:03 Probably too far from the topic of ##crawl-dev though. 01:19:26 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1027-g814d7dd (34) 01:33:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:37:42 hah 01:38:07 hey, if i could outfit a marine or a farseer or whatever and play it RL style that'd be cool 01:41:36 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:44:18 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:46:21 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:47:51 -!- namad8 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:47:52 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:51:06 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:54:44 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1027-g814d7dd 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:21 -!- Naruni has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:02:01 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:02:43 -!- cang has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:07:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:07:37 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:11:49 -!- somebody has quit [] 02:17:49 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:19:22 -!- WhodaMan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:22:48 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Xenophilius, XL27 GrFi, T:104584 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Xenophilius/crash-Xenophilius-20160108-131356.txt 09:40:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:49:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:51:39 New branch created: pull/211 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/211 09:51:39 03Dmytro Korduban02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/211 * 0.18-a0-1029-g49b7f3d: Ignore splash damage for reach attacks. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49b7f3d2efc6 09:51:41 -!- jefus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:52:23 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:52:25 -!- reaverbot has joined ##crawl-dev 09:53:27 -!- reaverb has quit [Client Quit] 09:53:31 -!- reaverbot is now known as reaverb 09:55:54 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56:58 -!- mopl_ is now known as mopl 09:59:05 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:43 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:38 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:03:18 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 10:07:15 -!- Torax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:16:06 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:21:14 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:22:56 -!- reaverb has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:24:31 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:25:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:26:13 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 10:29:57 -!- pikaro has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 10:30:24 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:37:46 I wonder if it would be a good idea to let rcfiles change monster glyphs based on the monster's equipment. You could have a glyph for "monster holding a polearm" or "monster with distortion" if you wanted. 10:37:53 I'd definitely use that 10:38:00 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:45 <|amethyst> Lasty_: FR: option to use combining chars for that purpose 10:38:56 <|amethyst> would probably be a pain to implement though :/ 10:39:18 yeah, haha 10:39:32 a simple override would be good enough IMO 10:40:15 <|amethyst> well, not being able to tell the difference between sigmund and a gnoll might be a problem 10:41:20 Perhaps you could specify what types of monsters along with the weapon . . . 10:41:26 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:41:28 ^sigmund weapon:polearm 10:42:17 I wouldn't mind having to check whether the polearm monster is an orc or a gnoll or a vault guard 10:42:38 It's better than checking if every orc/gnoll/vault guard is holding a polearm or not 10:44:27 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:45:48 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 10:45:52 I'll have to look into how doable this is, because I like this idea more and more 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:04:31 -!- Tpain is now known as zhaorenw 11:07:01 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:08:08 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 11:20:56 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:21:22 -!- Torax__ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:33:26 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:35:35 -!- MakMorn has quit [Read error: No route to host] 11:38:09 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 11:38:34 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39:30 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:41:28 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:33 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:47:02 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:51:15 are we discussing how to show brands in console? 11:51:15 dpeg: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 11:52:44 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:58:31 Lasty_: Adam (1kb) always said that unicode cannot use diacritics for this. Please tell me he was wrong, it'd be so cool to put a dot on a letter for electrocution, and two dots for distortion etc. You'd really think that this is something ASCC/unicode was made for :( 11:58:59 <|amethyst> you can't do it with a single unicode character in general 11:59:19 <|amethyst> and not all terminals support combining characters 11:59:30 <|amethyst> so it would be tricky and wouldn't work every where 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:11 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:00:13 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:00:13 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:00:39 <|amethyst> s/y w/yw/ 12:00:47 |amethyst: I'd do a lot on my terminal to get it to work. 12:01:06 |amethyst: if this was an option, it'd make console playing so cool. 12:01:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:01:35 * dpeg is worried that after oubliettes, he has to look into unicode. 12:02:01 fr unicode portal vault 12:02:15 ontoclasm: pay with �, get an �? :) 12:06:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:07:14 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:18 * geekosaur wonders how many combining characters he can get onto a character 12:09:14 dpeg: terrifying monsters like the Obscure Smiley and the Glottal Stop 12:20:25 ơ̴̵̸゚̡̢̧̨̖̗̘̙̜̝̞̠̟̣̤̥̦̩̪̫̬̭̮̯̰̱̹̺̻̼͇͈͉͍͎͓͔͕͖͙͚⳰ⷠ̀́̂̃̄̆̇̈̉̊̋̌̍̎̏̐̑̒̓̔̽̾͂̓͆͊͋͌͐͑͒͗͛ͣͤͥͦͧͯ̕̚͘ͅ 12:25:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:26:48 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 12:30:27 -!- alvarops has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:33:35 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:33:59 btw another worry is whether ncurses supports combining characters properly 12:43:46 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:47:23 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:52:15 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:58:24 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04:55 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:05:05 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:05:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:08:29 geekosaur: you scribbled all over my client 13:09:38 it *was* suitably terrifying, whether it rendered properly or not >.> 13:13:43 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:14:46 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:17:12 I'm amazed at how hard my client tries to render that vertical alignment character (assuming that's what that is 13:17:14 !tell PleasingFungus You ended your crd post with an ellipses...what does that imply... 13:17:14 gammafunk: OK, I'll let pleasingfungus know. 13:17:58 !tell dpeg Using unicode like you propose would be great, but is way more ambitious than my proposal. I'm saying just let people use rcfile to swap characters. 13:17:59 Lasty_: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 13:22:59 -!- zhaorenw has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:24:50 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:25:16 -!- Napkin_ is now known as Napkin 13:27:41 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:20 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:30:54 -!- scummos| has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:53:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:55:09 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:42 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:11 -!- hypermatt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:56:35 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:37 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:18:21 -!- Shard1697 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:19:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:30:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:39:51 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:46:44 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:00:00 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:12 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:01:30 was the ash uc boost change reverted 15:01:34 or was it never a thing and I'm insane 15:02:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:03:13 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:43 AFAIK it was never a thing 15:03:55 AFAIK Ash has never boosted UC under any circumstances. I could be wrong. 15:04:44 what the hell 15:05:01 I couldn't have made this up 15:05:09 I could be completely mistaken 15:05:24 (could it have been a pull request or branch push?) 15:07:40 I have no idea but I sure as hell didn't make this up 15:07:51 I greatroled Tm, I value my UC boosts 15:08:05 half a year of commits and I can't find any mention of fist cursing ever being a thing 15:09:52 O.o 15:10:00 Are you sure you aren't thinking Oka? 15:10:00 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:10:05 2no 15:10:10 !lg . tm won s=god 15:10:11 26 games for kvaak (tm won): 16x Okawaru, 5x Cheibriados, 3x Makhleb, , Gozag 15:10:11 !lg kvaak tm s=god 15:10:12 261 games for kvaak (tm): 131x, 57x Okawaru, 23x Cheibriados, 20x Makhleb, 9x Kikubaaqudgha, 9x Gozag, 3x Fedhas, 3x Sif Muna, 2x Ashenzari, The Shining One, Jiyva, Trog, Dithmenos 15:10:27 that list has 16x oka in it because hero boosts UC 15:10:37 yeah 15:10:41 and it has no ash in it . . . 15:10:50 rip ash 15:10:52 and when I saw fist cursing being a thing I thought wow, that's pretty big 15:11:12 I know it's been suggested, but never saw it implemented in trunk 15:13:51 -!- sysice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:19:20 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:20:45 -!- Mordru has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:20:55 kvaak: there was a commit for it, but it wasn't in master 15:21:02 one of chequers's PRs i think 15:21:43 makes snse 15:21:56 !blame3 chequers 15:21:56 I don't think that's likely to end up in trunk 15:21:56 cheeeeequuuuueeeeers 15:25:02 -!- Alarkh has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:25:54 ah yes, good tm of sif 15:26:00 !lg . tm won s=god 15:26:01 2 games for gammafunk (tm won): Nemelex Xobeh, Sif Muna 15:26:10 the only gods you can use for tm... 15:26:23 !lg * god=sif s=name 15:26:27 96327 games for * (god=sif): 946x Kave, 845x gammafunk, 582x 4thArraOfDagon, 544x silentsnack, 472x Darmok, 463x aTarkinC, 450x GavinH, 424x Avigdore, 405x buffalo66, 353x Sorbius, 330x Sbamiri, 329x Bruce, 295x Sky, 278x Johan, 271x minmay, 267x Celsitudo, 264x Moose, 262x clouded, 259x Ragdoll, 257x crawlie, 255x qtip, 255x nubinia, 249x Neil, 235x m1nced, 235x cireshan, 232x PolkaDot, 229x murp... 15:26:32 STILL 15:26:37 and his lead is gaining 15:26:39 !lg kave 15:26:40 4108. kave the Brawler (L17 TrTm of Sif Muna), slain by a deep elf knight (a +0 long sword) on Elf:2 (elven_hall_of_blades_hangedman_original) on 2016-01-06 22:57:50, with 176354 points after 40220 turns and 3:00:04. 15:26:46 I mean, if he's just win *one* of those 15:26:52 !gamesby kave trtm 15:26:54 kave (trtm) has played 1567 games, between 2010-07-25 10:32:50 and 2016-01-06 22:57:50, won 0, high score 541782, total score 16261126, total turns 10649768, play-time/day 0:22:23, total time 30d+23:29:48. 15:27:11 !gamesby kave trtm sif 15:27:12 kave (trtm sif) has played 719 games, between 2010-07-25 10:32:50 and 2016-01-06 22:57:50, won 0, high score 296302, total score 14396544, total turns 8337656, play-time/day 0:18:25, total time 25d+11:58:12. 15:27:17 hm 15:27:22 !lg kave trtm s=god 15:27:23 1567 games for kave (trtm): 822x, 719x Sif Muna, 11x Kikubaaqudgha, 4x Lugonu, 3x Okawaru, 3x The Shining One, 2x Xom, Yredelemnul, Jiyva, Trog 15:27:31 right 15:27:37 doesn't make it to a god most times 15:27:44 which is pretty impressive since he's a tr 15:27:52 &rc kave 15:27:54 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.17/kave.rc 15:27:59 !lg kave s=src 15:28:00 4108 games for kave: 2981x cszo, 1123x cdo, 4x cao 15:28:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:31:25 !lm lasty 15:31:26 13681. [2016-01-08 03:52:31] Lasty the Black Belt (L20 HETm of Ru) killed Jorgrun on turn 61103. (Depths:1) 15:32:00 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:38:00 You forgot to worship maklheb 15:38:12 The altars don't even look alike, not sure how you made that mistake 15:38:12 :p 15:38:17 sure they do 15:38:18 _ 15:38:25 on mine it's a flag 15:38:34 Makhleb's only? :D 15:38:34 got tired of missing altars occasionaly 15:38:50 Actually my first thought was to make sif's only a flag 15:38:55 but then I realized they can all be flags 15:39:06 it being blue makes it a bit less noticable 15:39:14 but it's nice for all 15:39:22 but if they're all flags, you might accidentally worship a non-challenge god. 15:39:37 on speedruns all gods are challenge gods 15:39:57 on casual runs there are no challenge gods, not even chei or xom 15:40:32 Boom, defined the terms out of existence! 15:41:08 bool god_is_challenge_god() { return player.is_doing_speedrun; } 15:42:26 I would only rename it to object_is_challenge_object() but otherwise good 15:44:06 This is a challenge fountain 15:44:48 fr 15:45:07 I recall that when I first quaffed a crystal fountain in elf 15:45:13 if cured my mutations 15:45:23 so from then on I assumed they all had a chance to doing that 15:45:37 needless to say I was dissappointed the next time I quaffed one and got mutated 15:45:40 hahaha 15:45:46 back when those could give pot effects 15:45:47 but did the fountains give you any wishes? 15:46:08 dat sparkling fountain in the ice giant ice cave... 15:46:21 If your wish was to get a potion of some kind, it might get granted! 15:46:34 Potion of experience is a reasonable wish target 15:46:36 Man, I wonder if anyone saved a char from a clutch hw quaff from a fountain 15:46:43 I wonder if it could give exp 15:46:44 I'm sure someone once did 15:46:45 probably 15:46:57 ??crystal_fountain 15:46:57 I don't have a page labeled crystal_fountain in my learndb. 15:47:00 ??fountain 15:47:00 fountain[1/3]: Dungeon decoration. Counts as watery terrain for things like producing steam when flame is fired over it. 15:47:03 ??fountain]2 15:47:03 fountain2 ~ fountain[1/3]: Dungeon decoration. Counts as watery terrain for things like producing steam when flame is fired over it. 15:47:06 ??fountain[2 15:47:06 fountain[2/3]: In old versions, quaffing from these had effects, such as removing -cTele on Elf:7. 15:47:13 the what now 15:47:19 how on earth... 15:47:24 ??fountain[3 15:47:25 fountain[3/3]: Aquatic life can survive in these. Cute, isn't it... that electric eel splashing around in the water. 15:47:43 removing cTele is a pretty cool effect 15:48:40 It was sparkling fountain, not crystal . . . 15:48:44 ??sparkling fountain 15:48:44 fountain[1/3]: Dungeon decoration. Counts as watery terrain for things like producing steam when flame is fired over it. 15:49:10 yeah, that's weird 15:49:26 Never played in a version w/ fountains dropping cTele 15:49:29 er cTele- 15:49:40 (at least, not that I know of) 15:52:04 Well, I never played a version that had Elf:7 15:52:15 I think it was only 3 levels in 0.11 and 0.10 15:52:20 ??elf 15:52:20 elven halls[1/3]: Accessed from the Orcish Mines on either the third or fourth level. Three levels deep. There is no rune, but a good amount of loot lies at the bottom. Elf:2 is now the {hall of blades} but with elves too. 15:52:24 ??elf[2 15:52:25 elven halls[2/3]: Dangerous for low-level characters. You should have high magic resistance. Elf:3 blocks teleport control, so don't rely on blink scrolls to get you out of a hairy situation. 15:52:26 ??elf[3 15:52:27 elven halls[3/3]: Lots of spells are really good here: poisonous cloud, refrigeration, mephitic cloud, alistair's intoxication, and so on. 15:52:53 I started back on 0.8 or 0.9, I can't remember which, but I didn't play that much until around 0.10 15:53:18 "Prior to 0.8, they were 7 levels deep." 15:53:28 -!- omnirizo1 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:53:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:53:39 And they were 5 levels deep until 0.11 15:53:53 not sure if I ever entered elf when it was 5 levels, probably I did 15:54:01 !lm . min=cv x=cv 15:54:02 18026. [2012-04-26 17:56:31] [cv=0.10] gammafunk the Cudgeler (L3 HEFi) killed Jessica on turn 1757. (D:3) 15:54:09 I definitely had some 5-level Elf 15:54:12 !lm . elf min=lvl 15:54:14 123. [2012-04-29 21:51:38] gammafunk the Blocker (L19 HEFi of Okawaru) entered the Elven Halls on turn 99019. (Orc:3) 15:54:18 er 15:54:20 !lm . elf max=lvl 15:54:22 123. [2012-04-29 23:18:02] gammafunk the Blocker (L19 HEFi of Okawaru) reached level 5 of the Elven Halls on turn 104953. (Elf:5) 15:54:33 Man, 7 levels of elf would have been so many boring elves 15:54:33 so did I, apparently 15:54:59 ah but that sweet cTele removal drink would have made it all worth it! 15:55:46 hahaha 15:56:05 so, as a player what're you working on these days? 15:56:39 !lm . alive 15:56:44 35. [2016-01-08 04:16:12] gammafunk the Convoker (L17 MuSu of Sif Muna) left the Vaults on turn 22097. (Vaults:1) 15:56:47 this is a semi-speedrun 15:56:55 probably will end up 50k or so for 15 15:56:57 Semi? 15:57:06 yeah 50 is pretty slow 15:57:07 !hs musu 15:57:08 No games for musu. 15:57:12 !hs * musu 15:57:13 might try to go faster though 15:57:13 18812. elliptic the Demonologist (L23 MuSu of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-09-13 19:39:50, with 52436210 points after 27371 turns and 8:00:10. 15:57:25 but I'd really like to get a good desu win before I spend too much time on that 15:57:29 are you trying to beat something in particular, or mostly trying to get the win? 15:57:45 Yeah just get a "fast win with 15 runes" for that char 15:58:06 where fast is pretty liberal 15:58:16 then mibe and desu speedruns 15:58:21 and casual runs as I think of them 15:58:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:58:58 !lg . won s=god 15:58:59 37 games for gammafunk (won): 5x Sif Muna, 5x Vehumet, 2x Dithmenos, 2x Qazlal, 2x The Shining One, 2x Elyvilon, 2x Pakellas, 2x Nemelex Xobeh, Trog, Okawaru, Yredelemnul, Xom, Beogh, Kikubaaqudgha, Fedhas, Cheibriados, Jiyva, Gozag, , Ru, Ashenzari, Zin, Lugonu 15:59:22 if any new gods come a long (or old ones get refactored), might win those 15:59:44 I'm hoping to work on a new god over the weekend. Combo-god. 16:00:02 Thankfully way less complex than Ru 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:14 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:01:25 I win new gods mostly out of obligation to test, but also because trying new things is fun at least once 16:01:41 I don't think there's a god that's not fun to win at least one time 16:01:47 Although Zin really tested my patience there 16:02:45 A lot of that came from his conduct and the fact that I was doing either a stealth char or a magic hybrid 16:02:59 well a weak stealth char, I guess 16:03:02 !lg . zin s=char 16:03:03 8 games for gammafunk (zin): 6x DEAs, HOAs, HuFE 16:03:21 !lg . zin won 16:03:22 1. gammafunk the Imperceptible (L22 DEAs of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-02-11 04:32:50, with 1304622 points after 93870 turns and 9:30:46. 16:03:24 right 16:04:51 how lethal is too lethal for a Lair rune vault? 16:05:04 Floodkiller: if every player who encounters it dies, it's too lethal 16:05:39 Floodkiller: any Lair vault that places a rune needs to be 100% lethal 16:05:54 gammafunk: I still like Zin. The conduct is irritating, but the powers are solid. 16:05:54 so just have the lua kill the player when they enter the vault 16:06:06 Lasty_: yeah, if that conduct were gone, I'd enjoy the god a *lot* more 16:06:10 agreed 16:06:11 but that's just me 16:06:13 well, I was planning on a fate worse than death instead 16:06:16 ... maybe we should think abuot removing it 16:06:16 lua into a mummy 16:06:25 see I'd enjoy that 16:06:32 it's just like I casted necromut 16:06:53 but yeah jokes aside, just what the heck do you mean by "lair rune vault" 16:07:00 If someone makes that amulet of undeath and you merge it in, I'm going to make torment do double damage to undead. 16:07:06 I guess you mean a run vault in a lair branch? it depends on the branch 16:07:07 lair branch rune vault 16:07:25 but my advice is to look at other vaults 16:07:32 in terms of average number of enemies 16:07:58 I am using the others as a good guide for numbers of enemies, but I want a good idea of what ratio of players should be able to make it through as I tweak the numbers through testing it 16:08:07 also you need to play test it with a char having a typical build (a couple archetypes is good, but again you're probably using enemies that are from the branch) 16:08:19 I'm more likely to be worried about the vault being too easy than too hard, assuming you're using branch-appropriate enemies and the vault is interestingly arranged. 16:08:36 Yeah, too easy is a problem, but to your statement I'd say that you don't want said ratio 16:08:43 because once you know this ratio, what are you going to do with it? 16:09:01 You want to base it on your play-throughs; were you able to survive with reasonable play? 16:09:11 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:09:39 !lm * recent br.end=spider 16:09:40 17447. [2016-01-08 20:03:25] WereVolvo the Warrior (L20 MiAM of Okawaru) reached level 4 of the Spider Nest on turn 61201. (Spider:4) 16:09:52 !lm * recent br.end=spider !boring x=avg(xl) 16:09:52 16911 milestones for * (recent br.end=spider !boring): avg(xl)=17.13 16:10:05 !lm * recent br.end=spider !boring x=avg(xl),avg(mhp),avg(ac),avg(ev) 16:10:09 16911 milestones for * (recent br.end=spider !boring): avg(xl)=17.13; avg(mhp)=136.04; avg(ac)=25.35; avg(ev)=14.49 16:10:23 this is a rough profile of a player getting to the spider end 16:10:53 again averaging across species, but probably at least 100mhp, this profile is more melee focused having good ac, but still low ev 16:11:15 so you can make something like a trog char at one end, with some moderately enchanted chain (and basic auxes) 16:11:21 and some basic consumables etc 16:11:26 nothing you wouldn't normally have 16:11:29 make a .cs of this char 16:11:38 in wiz mode, back up that .cs 16:11:48 try some play-throughs, restoring the .cs a couple times if you like 16:12:57 even one play through is better than none; for significant vaults I often test the following: trog melee char, 2h heavy armour, oka char 1h + shield, veh conj mage with light armour, de or he or hu, summoner 16:13:19 summoner having maybe medium armour or light armour, depends on depth and all these details aren't super important 16:13:24 but just try to make the char reasonable 16:13:43 test one char type or four, but do play-test it; it's the best way to know what the vault is like 16:14:21 alright, thanks for the help! 16:14:24 I'd say in your case, consider death scarabs to be equiv to...hrm, would it be a zerked emeperor? 16:14:27 @??death_Scarab 16:14:27 death scarab (06B) | Spd: 30 | HD: 8 | HP: 24-33 | AC/EV: 7/14 | Dam: 3013(scarab) | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 760 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 16:14:36 @??emperor_scorpion ench:berserk 16:14:36 emperor scorpion (15s) | Spd: 15 | HD: 14 | HP: 146-207 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 4508(poison:28-56), 2209(claw), 2209(claw) | Res: 06magic(60), 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 1621 | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 16:14:39 oh 16:14:41 nope 16:14:46 scarabs have no hp 16:14:50 and much less defense 16:14:59 yeah, it's more the swarm that makes it nastier 16:15:12 yeah, death scarabs are balanced around being summoned in huge wads 16:15:16 but I'm worried that too many makes it impossible without aoe attacks 16:15:29 yeah so maybe think of some basic equivalency between death scarabs and emp scorps (like maybe 2 scarabs = 1 scorp, again ballpark) 16:15:32 Floodkiller: they're still susceptible to chokepoints 16:15:41 and count your average monsters and compare to like two other spider vaults 16:16:12 I mean it's hard since you have no weird moth monters 16:16:27 unless you are using those 16:16:55 A full-size swarm might be pretty nuts, yeah, try your char against them using decent tactics 16:17:12 I mean trog bia will help a lot, but if you have an oka char with maybe one evoker 16:20:20 I wonder how well conjure flame would work against them 16:20:23