00:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:01:09 @??orb of fire 00:01:09 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 120-178 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8569 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 00:01:12 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-1014-g3bbf375 (34) 00:01:21 @??ice fiend 00:01:21 Ice Fiend (001) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 80-115 | AC/EV: 15/6 | Dam: 2509(claw)12(cold:18-53), 2509(claw)12(cold:18-53) | 05demonic, 10doors, unholy, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 2900 | Sp: b.cold (3d27) [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human. 00:01:35 why is discord such a high level spell if it doesn't work on the more dangerous enemies? 00:03:00 ?? ? ? 00:03:00 I don't have a page labeled ?_? in my learndb. 00:03:32 fr 00:08:28 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 00:10:12 oh 00:10:14 for crying out loud 00:10:26 msg_condense_short is breaking msg_condense_repeats 00:12:24 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:13:40 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:15:29 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:24:29 -!- alvarops has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:28:53 -!- destroythecore has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29:12 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:32:01 ??wiki 00:32:02 wiki[1/4]: Wiki for players: http://crawl.chaosforge.org/. If incorrect or out of date, request an account and get to updating! 00:33:02 -!- zoot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:33:09 I feel like summoning could probably use another level 6 summon spell to fill the void left by mengenarie 00:35:04 or level 5 since otherwise it's just demons at level 5 00:37:58 just demons and summon forest and summon mana viper 00:38:21 so you were only off by a factor of 3 00:38:22 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:38:42 also there's aura of abjuration but we'll let that one slide 00:40:02 -!- FireSight has quit [] 00:40:47 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:44:43 -!- meatpath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:46:39 That's very generous of you. 00:49:51 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:54:40 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:54:46 PleasingFungus: did you know that 'gammafunk' means 'generous heart' in Persian? 00:55:02 that's fascinating. and so plausible 00:55:31 You can learn some amazing things in this channel 01:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:41 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:03:30 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1014-g3bbf375 (34) 01:15:57 -!- Idolo has quit [] 01:18:57 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1014-g3bbf375 (34) 01:23:42 -!- mong has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:31:59 if I break messaging code, I apologize. 01:32:06 best part is there's save compat involved! 01:40:57 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:41:53 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:43:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:43:38 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:43 uh 01:46:50 should pikel's slaves leave corpses with gozag? 01:47:06 i presume it's tied in to them giving no xp 01:47:12 but i feel like they probably shouldn't 01:47:56 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Reality is an illusion, the universe is a hologram, buy gold, BYE] 01:51:29 they shouldn't 01:51:31 do they? 01:54:17 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-1014-g3bbf375 02:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:14 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:00:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:05:11 ahh, so they do 02:05:15 ProzacElf: imo put it on mantis 02:05:30 it's apparently been that way for a long time 02:05:34 since they don't give piety 02:07:27 do you know the relevant code? 02:08:51 !fight 99 orc v caustic shrike speed:10 02:09:22 hrm 02:09:25 odd 02:11:38 i do not know the relevant code 02:11:51 Pikel's slaves leave corpses for Gozag worshippers 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10226 by prozacelf 02:12:00 i just asked around 02:12:29 ??fight 02:12:30 !fight[1/3]: the best(/spammiest) invention since ever. telnet termcast.develz.org (FightClub channel) to watch. "!fight cancel" to end a fight that's stalled, or repeat the same command line with "cancel" at the end, e.g. !fight butterfly v butterfly cancel. 02:12:42 !fight orc v orc 02:12:48 is !fight broken? 02:13:19 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1015-g948da4d: Allow messages to repeat more reliably 10(2 minutes ago, 3 files, 143+ 99-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/948da4d8b2ca 02:14:14 ahh, I see 02:14:17 if (mons_gives_xp()) 02:14:46 ...right, that was after a series of fiascoes involving tentacles, etc 02:15:08 -!- ByronJoh1son has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:15:27 !tell gammafunk %git 609363674 made pikel's slaves not turn to gold under gozag; thoughts? 02:15:28 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 02:19:04 ah 02:22:25 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:23:04 I'm pretty reluctant to touch that code myself 02:23:06 it is... sensitive 02:24:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1016-ge9cbd9b: Refactor a little bit of monster shout code 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 31+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e9cbd9ba8001 02:24:25 %git 609363674 02:24:25 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-1805-g6093636: Don't goldify corpses under Gozag for 0-XP monsters (ololoev) 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/60936367408a 02:24:49 check out the code that replaced 02:27:53 seems like we want a mons_can_leave_corpse or something, and then use that in gives_xp and in goldify 02:32:49 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-1017-gae0b928: Another tiny handle_monster_shouts() refactor 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ae0b928a8526 02:35:45 -!- Zeor1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:44:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:47:49 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:49 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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(Depths:4) 07:23:06 4thArraOfDagon (L27 HOWr) ASSERT(dests.size()) in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 7472 failed. (Depths:4) 07:25:09 4thArraOfDagon (L27 HOWr) ASSERT(dests.size()) in 'mon-cast.cc' at line 7472 failed. 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ZZZzzz…] 11:56:33 !lg * recent cikiller=mara s=killer 11:56:34 171 games for * (recent cikiller=mara): 67x Mara, 6x GauBot's illusion, 2x SkinnyP's illusion, 2x qw's illusion, 2x Mara the hellephant, 2x willcat's illusion, 2x a balrug, styxcanada's illusion, purol's illusion, spelunker's illusion, Waterpls' illusion, laan's illusion, jejorda2's illusion, jazmu's illusion, wamaral's illusion, Laxior's illusion, SwampDonkey's illusion, ktulu8bugs's illusion, Mi... 11:56:42 !lg * recent cikiller=mara s=ckiller 11:56:43 171 games for * (recent cikiller=mara): 99x a player illusion, 69x Mara, 2x a balrug, a spark wasp 11:57:09 !lg * recent cikiller=robin s=ckiller 11:57:10 13045 games for * (recent cikiller=robin): 5951x a goblin, 4790x Robin, 2295x a hobgoblin, 2x a shapeshifter, a glowing shapeshifter, a spider, a gnoll, a sheep, an iguana, a rat, an adder 11:57:33 !lg * recent killer=robin s=ckaux 11:57:34 4796 games for * (recent killer=robin): 521x spear, 371x wand of frost, 368x wand of flame, 365x wand of magic darts, 356x, 341x goblin, 326x trident, 318x club, 306x mace, 192x short sword, 137x dagger, 134x falchion, 130x whip, 66x mace of protection, 57x whip of electrocution, 56x spear of venom, 53x spear of piercing, 43x dagger of electrocution, 34x spear of flaming, 32x trident of protection... 11:57:42 !lg * recent killer=robin s=ckaux% 11:57:43 4796 games for * (recent killer=robin): 521x spear (10.86%), 371x wand of frost (7.74%), 368x wand of flame (7.67%), 365x wand of magic darts (7.61%), 356x (7.42%), 341x goblin (7.11%), 326x trident (6.80%), 318x club (6.63%), 306x mace (6.38%), 192x short sword (4.00%), 137x dagger (2.86%), 134x falchion (2.79%), 130x whip (2.71%), 66x mace of protection (1.38%), 57x whip of electrocution (1.19%)... 11:58:06 !lg * recent cikiller=robin s=ckiller% 11:58:07 13045 games for * (recent cikiller=robin): 5951x a goblin (45.62%), 4790x Robin (36.72%), 2295x a hobgoblin (17.59%), 2x a shapeshifter (0.02%), a glowing shapeshifter (0.01%), a spider (0.01%), a gnoll (0.01%), a sheep (0.01%), an iguana (0.01%), a rat (0.01%), an adder (0.01%) 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:23 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:34 !lg * recent cikiller=asterion 12:00:35 163. abcd1986 the Experimenter (L16 DDFi of Pakellas), mangled by a spectral weapon (a +1 demon whip of electrocution) (summoned by Asterion) on Lair:6 (spider_nest_entry_funnel_web) on 2016-01-06 08:11:33, with 133366 points after 20326 turns and 1:44:45. 12:00:43 !lg * recent cikiller=asterion s=ckiller% 12:00:43 163 games for * (recent cikiller=asterion): 148x Asterion (90.80%), 14x a spectral weapon (8.59%), a naga sharpshooter (0.61%) 12:01:21 !lg * recent cikiller=asterion killer=asterion s=ckaux% 12:01:22 148 games for * (recent cikiller=asterion killer=asterion): 15x orb of electricity (10.14%), 14x iron shot (9.46%), 10x demon whip of electrocution (6.76%), 7x demon whip of draining (4.73%), 6x demon blade of electrocution (4.05%), 6x fireball (4.05%), 6x (4.05%), 6x bolt of fire (4.05%), 5x broad axe of venom (3.38%), 5x bolt of lightning (3.38%), 5x morningstar of draining (3.38%), 5x demon tri... 12:01:26 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:06:17 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:07:02 -!- maldini has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:07:41 !lg * recent cikiller=asterion ckiller=naga_sharpshooter 12:07:42 1. Mountebank the Unseen (L17 VpVM of Ru), shot by a naga sharpshooter (bolt) (summoned by a shadow trap (triggered by Asterion)) on Snake:4 on 2015-03-22 07:38:00, with 164690 points after 39789 turns and 4:55:14. 12:07:58 * wheals misses shadow traps 12:09:26 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:13:41 !kw current 12:13:42 Keyword: current => cv>=0.17 12:13:45 !kw trunk 12:13:46 Keyword: trunk => alpha !experimental 12:14:12 !lg wheals cv=0.16-a|0.16 12:14:13 208. wheals the Ruffian (L1 HOTm), entered wizard mode on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_sounds_slurp) on 2015-10-04 01:09:16, with 0 points after 26 turns and 0:01:12. 12:14:15 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:14:36 !lg wheals cv>=0.15-a s=cv% 12:14:37 !lg . vmsg~~shadow_Trap 12:14:37 506 games for wheals (cv>=0.15-a): 170x 0.16-a (33.60%), 156x 0.15-a (30.83%), 59x 0.15 (11.66%), 44x 0.17-a (8.70%), 38x 0.16 (7.51%), 36x 0.17 (7.11%), 3x 0.18-a (0.59%) 12:14:38 No games for wheals (vmsg~~shadow_Trap). 12:15:06 !lg . s=cv -graph 12:15:07 3531 games for wheals: https://shalott.org/graphs/ce95c6c821506ecd307f32356e9fd51dcb85f387.html 12:15:09 !lg . cv>=0.15-a s=cv% 12:15:10 2087 games for gammafunk (cv>=0.15-a): 725x 0.15 (34.74%), 568x 0.16 (27.22%), 335x 0.16-a (16.05%), 199x 0.15-a (9.54%), 151x 0.17-a (7.24%), 55x 0.17 (2.64%), 54x 0.18-a (2.59%) 12:15:21 !lg . s=cv o=cv -graph 12:15:22 3531 games for wheals: https://shalott.org/graphs/e011f9454af94824a05a8aed0105b453e0725905.html 12:15:32 !lg . s=cv o=-cv -graph 12:15:33 3531 games for wheals: https://shalott.org/graphs/432e2541bfde7e089cb2f1afce2107bbd135a42d.html 12:15:50 !lg . won s=cv o=-cv -graph 12:15:51 25 games for wheals (won): https://shalott.org/graphs/d73591967a58dc7a054f2afc3e050e1c295ef43e.html 12:16:44 40% of your games in a 0.16 version and you still miss them. I'm a professional crawl doctor but I have no idea what this illness of yours is nor how to treat it 12:17:16 40% of your recent-ish games, that is 12:17:47 <|amethyst> !lg . !alpha s=cv o=-cv -graph 12:17:48 2812 games for |amethyst (!alpha): https://shalott.org/graphs/ebaafba9d656acb90be16536356762f579b2b51c.html 12:17:51 <|amethyst> !lg . alpha s=cv o=-cv -graph 12:17:52 9079 games for |amethyst (alpha): https://shalott.org/graphs/1b45c17b16c38e36f774ec14d991c50d785f5e39.html 12:18:11 gammafunk: sorry that i like good game design!!!! 12:25:32 -!- mopl is now known as mopl_away 12:29:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:32:28 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:38:56 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:43:05 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:59 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:49:09 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:50:30 wheals: Mountebank is me, btw. i do not miss shadow traps 12:50:47 ??shadow trap[amalloy 12:50:48 shadow_trap[3/3]: !lm amalloy febe death place=zot:3 1 -tv:<0.6 12:50:51 another good one 12:53:42 amalloy: I found a portrait of you: http://dominionstrategy.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/mountebank.jpg 12:53:56 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:54:16 Lasty: that's what inspired the username, yes 12:54:26 I figured :D 12:54:37 Somehow I knew that amalloy wears very silly hats 12:54:51 s/silly/practical/ 12:59:22 <|amethyst> my hat http://s-z.org/neil/images/logicbug.jpg 12:59:42 Now that's a practical hat! 13:00:02 My hat: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e5/Magritte_TheSonOfMan.jpg 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:06:59 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:13 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:10:32 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 13:11:29 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:13:55 -!- mopl_away has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:14:28 -!- beogh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:20:33 !kw newelf 13:20:34 Keyword: newelf => vlong>=0.18-a0-779-gf9919a2 13:21:03 !lm * recent br.enter=elf / lg:br=elf lg:lvl<3 13:21:08 2272/29828 milestones for * (recent br.enter=elf): N=2272/29828 (7.62%) 13:21:11 !lm * recent !newelf br.enter=elf / lg:br=elf lg:lvl<3 13:21:15 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:21:16 2140/28429 milestones for * (recent !newelf br.enter=elf): N=2140/28429 (7.53%) 13:21:23 !lm * recent newelf br.enter=elf / lg:br=elf lg:lvl<3 13:21:24 132/1399 milestones for * (recent newelf br.enter=elf): N=132/1399 (9.44%) 13:21:31 that's what I thought 13:21:47 numbers still somewhat small and it is new 13:22:35 !lm * recent newelf br.enter=elf x=avg(xl) 13:22:36 1399 milestones for * (recent newelf br.enter=elf): avg(xl)=17.94 13:23:07 !lm * recent newelf br.enter=elf xl>=16 xl<=20 / lg:br=elf 13:23:12 122/815 milestones for * (recent newelf br.enter=elf xl>=16 xl<=20): N=122/815 (14.97%) 13:23:12 I did elf recently, and found that earth elementals were constantly being summoned near me, even when I wasn't touching a wall 13:23:22 well, not "constantly", but frequently 13:24:07 as in , non-adjacent wall tiles were getting turned into E and the E were surrounding you upon creation? 13:50:55 -!- LordSloth has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:20 Has this 0.15 feature changed? 1113 * Weapons and armour which aren't visibly enchanted no longer have enchantments 13:51:21 1114 higher than +0. 13:52:00 Myself and one other person have noted cloak/helmets that had a +2 enchant but no adjective 13:52:54 -!- dacendoran has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:55:01 <|amethyst> if so (and it's unidentified of course) it's a bug 13:55:12 <|amethyst> hm 13:56:12 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:45 -!- n1 is now known as \ 14:02:50 -!- \ is now known as n1 14:05:01 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:07:00 -!- Dirtsage has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:07:26 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:11 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:10:42 Also, another old change that reverted 14:10:50 is ctrl-f no longer accepts armor, only armour 14:11:06 We have a secret aussie reversion? 14:12:26 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:13:16 in the whole time I've played crawl has been austrailan 14:13:46 -!- meatpath has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:13:54 There was a change where it would accept the american spellings. Not that I really care, so much as it strikes me as odd for that to revert 14:15:30 I don't see it in that change log, however, or in going back to 0.15, so maybe i'm delusional 14:16:05 armor no longer works? 14:16:07 wat 14:16:09 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:16:21 so I guess adding inventory to ctrl+f didn't butcher it enough 14:16:44 Well, it didn't work in 0.15 either, maybe i butchered config or something 14:18:46 Eh, same issue in my old local copy, maybe I am delusional 14:20:46 -!- jefus has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:22:29 -!- jefus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:23:20 gammafunk: As in, I would be standing in the middle of a room and then an E would appear next to me. Just one. 14:25:59 @??deep elf mage 14:25:59 deep elf mage (06e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 35-47 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 570 | Sp: b.cold (3d17), throw icicle (3d17), sum.ice beast, blink / b.draining (3d17), sum.demon, sum.vermin, blink / b.fire (3d17), sticky flame range (3d5), sum.fire elementals, blink / b.lightning (3d16), blink / b.magma (3d17), stone arrow (3d15), sum.earth elemen.. 14:26:05 -!- pikaro_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:08 they have summon earth elemental 14:26:12 -!- pikaro_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:26:15 it's a bit confusing 14:26:27 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 14:29:04 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:29:19 is it possible to reload the rcfile from ingame? 14:29:31 (local version, for testing) 14:32:46 i don't think so, pikaro. you have to save+load afaik 14:32:54 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:32:55 amalloy, thanks 14:34:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:34:59 So they have summon earth elemental and also the spell that turns walls into a bunch of earth elementals? 14:35:10 Or if you're not near a wall, does it just pick a random wall? 14:36:38 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:10 -!- anchorite has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 14:39:00 -!- jefus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:26 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:49:38 no, deep elf mages have summon, deep elf elementalists have awaken earth 14:49:50 one summons elemental 14:49:57 other blows up walls to create elementals 14:50:10 if there are no walls adjacent to you, and no walls between you and a DEE, then you should be safe from the latter 14:50:34 I've noticed elementalists don't mind blowing up the entire damn endvault 14:50:43 even if they don't even know where you are 14:51:22 just read ?noise near the endvault and watch walls go kaboom all over the place 14:54:40 Oh right 14:54:48 thanks 14:55:06 kvaak: haha, dang 14:55:09 That seems bad 14:55:58 they learned their art by watching action flicks >.> 14:59:37 @??deep elf elementalist hd:30 spells:fire_storm.150.wizard name:Michael 14:59:37 Michael (04e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 30 | HP: 113-159 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 12 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 9376 | Sp: fire storm (8d23 / 8d24) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:57 every single one directed by michael bay I bet 15:03:43 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:04:17 Lasty_: yeah, sounds like it was from a deep elf mage, not an elementalist 15:04:28 I forgot there was a distinction between the two 15:04:45 if a wall wasn't destroyed when the elemental appeared, wasn't awaken earth or whatever it is 15:04:50 or maybe I didn't realize that the former could summon earth elementals 15:05:11 now elf has actual elementals placing and deep elf mages have wider spell set possibilities 15:05:13 I was really paranoid in Elf, looking for Azrael around every corner because of all the fire elemental packs 15:05:19 hah 15:05:23 until I realized that they just place there naturally 15:05:45 I'm not a huge fan of the elementals there, it does give some different challenge to people who enter elf early, I guess 15:05:57 but they're mostly popcorn if you do elf at a reasonable xl 15:06:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:16 Between that and removing "clarity, we're really punishing the VM-early-elf strat 15:06:28 :p 15:06:33 clarity for VM? 15:06:55 so you can meph yourself? 15:06:58 For Alistairs. Wait, that's not a VM book. So, just for anyone who happened to find it. 15:07:29 reminds me, I should remove Alistairs :p 15:07:33 I'd imagine it'd be mostly pcloud + meph + venom bolt + parrow 15:07:46 but I guess you could try a few different things 15:07:54 I'm sure some people are using ignite poison in elf too 15:08:13 I've done that strat a few times; never tried the Alistairs one. It's just the reason people always give for not removing Alistairs. 15:08:21 oh, interesting 15:08:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:08:31 "It's good against elves!" 15:08:52 Yeah, doing elf way earlier than you should is one of the great Bad Player things that will probably never stop being a thing 15:09:12 I hope it never does -- it's exciting even if it's suboptimal 15:09:38 dancing weapons are definitely going to make it harder for a lot of chars 15:09:51 yeah, there's not a ton of those, but...hrm 15:10:09 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 s=cikiller% 15:10:10 135 games for * (recent newelf br=elf lvl<3): 26x a deep elf mage (19.26%), 17x a deep elf knight (12.59%), 14x a deep elf archer (10.37%), 5x a battleaxe of chopping (3.70%), 5x a glaive of flaming (3.70%), 4x a glaive of chopping (2.96%), 4x a deep elf annihilator (2.96%), 3x a halberd of protection (2.22%), 3x a deep elf demonologist (2.22%), 3x a trident of flaming (2.22%), 2x a long sword of ... 15:10:33 yeah, that's a lot of dancing weapons 15:10:43 it is, although it's like 25% of kills 15:10:46 maybe 30% 15:10:51 if you were to add them all up 15:10:58 deep elf mages the real killers 15:11:06 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 s=cikiller% / ikiller~~of 15:11:07 40/135 games for * (recent newelf br=elf lvl<3): 5/5x a glaive of flaming [100.00%], 5/5x a battleaxe of chopping [100.00%], 4/4x a glaive of chopping [100.00%], 3/3x a trident of flaming [100.00%], 3/3x a halberd of protection [100.00%], 2/2x a dire flail of protection [100.00%], 2/2x a long sword of distortion [100.00%], 2/2x a glaive of venom [100.00%], 1/1x a battleaxe of draining [100.00%], 1... 15:11:16 you'd have to remove the s= 15:11:29 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 / ikiller~~of 15:11:30 40/135 games for * (recent newelf br=elf lvl<3): N=40/135 (29.63%) 15:11:33 yep 15:12:04 I guess if you wanted to group it's like 50% elves probably 15:12:08 to be fair, that's nearly as much as mages and knights together 15:12:08 can't see the whole thing 15:12:23 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 s=cikiller% / ikiller~~elf 15:12:24 sure, they're definitely making an impact but 15:12:25 71/135 games for * (recent newelf br=elf lvl<3): 26/26x a deep elf mage [100.00%], 17/17x a deep elf knight [100.00%], 14/14x a deep elf archer [100.00%], 4/4x a deep elf annihilator [100.00%], 3/3x a deep elf demonologist [100.00%], 2/2x a deep elf death mage [100.00%], 2/2x a deep elf blademaster [100.00%], 1/1x a deep elf elementalist [100.00%], 1/1x a deep elf high priest [100.00%], 1/1x a dee... 15:12:29 oops 15:12:34 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 / ikiller~~elf 15:12:35 71/135 games for * (recent newelf br=elf lvl<3): N=71/135 (52.59%) 15:12:37 also consider what portion of those might be people stupidly entering the HoB subvault 15:12:46 I bet if you accounted for that you'd lose a lot of kills 15:12:49 gammafunk is the master of eyeballed stats 15:12:57 yeah, probably 15:13:07 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 s=cikiller% / ikiller~~ghost 15:13:09 0/135 games for * (recent newelf br=elf lvl<3): 0/1x an antimagic glaive [0.00%], 0/1x a halberd of freezing [0.00%], 0/1x a dire flail of pain [0.00%], 0/1x a dire flail of holy wrath [0.00%], 0/1x Wiglaf [0.00%], 0/1x Asterion [0.00%], 0/1x a war axe of electrocution [0.00%], 0/1x an air elemental [0.00%], 0/1x a vampiric scimitar [0.00%], 0/1x a large abomination [0.00%], 0/1x a scimitar of hol... 15:13:10 Just don't make a query that proves me wrong, and everything will go smoothly 15:13:13 oh actually 15:13:16 argh, why am I pasting that?? 15:13:17 we can query for that! 15:13:57 -!- Reverie|Away is now known as Reverie 15:14:06 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 ikiller~~of ikiller!~~ghost 15:14:07 40. Philsis the Cryomancer (L20 DrCj of Vehumet), slain by a dire flail of crushing (kmap: elven_hall_of_blades_hangedman_original) on Elf:2 on 2016-01-06 17:05:05, with 313090 points after 76159 turns and 6:51:21. 15:14:20 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 ikiller~~of ikiller!~~ghost s=ckiller 15:14:21 40 games for * (recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 ikiller~~of ikiller!~~ghost): 5x a battleaxe of chopping, 5x a glaive of flaming, 4x a glaive of chopping, 3x a halberd of protection, 3x a trident of flaming, 2x a long sword of distortion, 2x a dire flail of protection, 2x a glaive of venom, a flail of draining, an executioner's axe of freezing, a dire flail of holy wrath, a trident of freezing, a battl... 15:14:34 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 ikiller~~of ikiller!~~ghost / kmap~~hall_of_blades 15:14:35 16/40 games for * (recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 ikiller~~of ikiller!~~ghost): N=16/40 (40.00%) 15:14:45 yeah 40% of those were from HoB 15:14:54 heh, fair enough 15:14:56 these numbers are pretty small though 15:15:28 -!- simples has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:15:36 !lg * recent newelf br=elf ikiller~~of ikiller!~~ghost / kmap~~hall_of_blades 15:15:38 16/43 games for * (recent newelf br=elf ikiller~~of ikiller!~~ghost): N=16/43 (37.21%) 15:15:52 only three on the last level of elf 15:15:55 yeah 15:16:17 they'll definitely kill you if you don't pay careful attention to them 15:16:25 !lg * recent newelf br=elf lvl<3 xl<15 15:16:26 12. KaosKat the Unseen (L13 FeWn of Xom), slain by a vampiric hand axe (kmap: elven_hall_of_blades_hangedman_original) on Elf:2 on 2016-01-06 01:57:30, with 33793 points after 38287 turns and 6:39:51. 15:16:30 it always feels really hard to judge how strong they are 15:16:37 it's their defenses 15:16:38 I think the hp varies so widely by weapon type 15:16:39 yeah 15:16:52 all their stats vary pretty widely, IIRC 15:16:57 high defenses, but maybe they have low hp? maybe low damage? only one way to find out! 15:17:03 haha 15:23:48 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:28:51 -!- vermifax has quit [Client Quit] 15:29:30 I feel like there's a bit of a hole in summoning as it stands 15:29:47 there's a pretty big gap in "reliable" summon spells between level 4 and level 7 now 15:30:26 summon forest requires a pretty confined room to work if I remember correctly, summon demon can summon a hostile, and shadow creatures is variable as all hell 15:30:38 The level 5 summons are all pretty solid 15:30:58 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:31:41 I wouldn't necessarily be against moving summon hydra to level 6, but that might be too good in the early game perhaps. gammafunk, what do you think? 15:32:50 i 15:33:00 -!- vermi_ has quit [Client Quit] 15:33:02 i think i'd prefer to see mass confusion go instead of alistair's 15:33:20 But when would Alistair's get used these days? 15:33:25 With a potion of curing tax? 15:33:56 I much prefer mass confusion: the list of targets it affects is much clearer 15:34:10 -!- vermi has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:34:41 Lasty_: it only works if you lack clarity so it always has had a potion of curing tax 15:35:18 Oh, didn't realize that 15:35:22 that's weird 15:36:41 it just seems like a more interesting spell than "l3 spell, but on everything in LOS" 15:37:03 if your confusion dur went down with power it could be usable without curing 15:39:40 Lasty_: yeah tweaks like Hydra to L6 and Malign to L6 (since it's two-school) are things I've thought about, although I do think leaving both where they are is reasonable 15:40:01 Hydra does do really high damage with good spell power and malign is pretty insane whenever it's castable 15:40:14 -!- vermi has quit [Client Quit] 15:40:28 wheals: it does! 15:40:40 %git :/Alistair 15:40:40 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-1003-gd97a107: Standardise some confusion durations 10(25 hours ago, 2 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d97a107eea44 15:40:44 "Your armour stops you from hitting the enemy" <-- is this reduced with armour skill? 15:40:45 well clearly the existence of mass confusion is just holding it back 15:40:55 !gitgrep Alistair 2 15:40:56 -!- vermi has quit [Client Quit] 15:40:56 %git HEAD^{/2} 15:40:56 07wheals02 * 0.18-a0-1009-g42b3d74: Merge pull request #208 from edsrzf/statue-form-cleanup 10(20 hours ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42b3d74bf9c8 15:41:01 !gitgrep 2 Alistair 15:41:02 %git HEAD^{/Alistair}^^{/Alistair} 15:41:02 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1835-g60d1789: Show I_HUMAN in xv. 10(4 months ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/60d178911a62 15:41:16 I find the problem with Malign and Haunt is having any reason to learn them given the need to have like 12-14 in another school 15:41:25 but I tend to worship sif and have more spell choices available I guess 15:41:33 oh well, it's an ancient change but i was expecting that literally nothing had touched it 15:43:25 oh and forest is also transloc/summons, so probably good to have malign at L7 15:43:38 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:46 Tho Malign also is the only summon that attacks out of LOS 15:45:57 I think the dryad can do that? 15:46:03 really? huh. 15:46:07 if (x_chance_in_y(60 - pow/3, 100)) 15:46:08 confuse_player(3+random2(10 + (100 - pow) / 10)); 15:46:22 so i guess it's still a bunch of confusion even at high power, also gosh, alistairs still drains int 15:46:33 oh, it does int stat drain? 15:46:46 I think I've never actually cast allistairs 15:46:47 if you manage to get it to 180 spellpower, the chance of confusion goes down to 0... 15:46:57 I cast it once and really hated it 15:47:13 By "once" I mean on one character 15:47:24 Lasty_: 100/3 isn't 60 :P 15:48:00 60 - pow/3 is 0 when pow = 180. 15:48:20 I guess the cap is 100? 15:48:23 oh 15:48:25 oh i misread your 180 as 100, pretty sure it's capped at 100 anyway though 15:48:32 well, nm them 15:48:34 then 15:48:45 so you can get down to about 1/3 chance of confusion 15:49:01 i think that's the length 15:49:09 I'm looking at the x_in_y 15:49:10 oh, i didn't see the if 15:49:21 everyone's misreading everything all the time! 15:49:33 No, you did! 15:49:40 <.< >.> 15:49:46 i said no such thing!! 15:50:19 so anyway, that's one vote for boo alistairs and one for boo mass confuse 15:50:33 �glaciate #crawl-dev // chill already :p 15:50:43 !glaciate all the devs 15:50:44 mass confuse, hadn't realized that was on the chopping block 15:50:44 kvaak casts a spell at all the devs. kvaak conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs all the devs! 15:50:51 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:50:56 gammafunk: it's on wheals's chopping block 15:51:11 yeah, I mean maybe it's justified, I've not used it a lot 15:51:19 except when I had chars that wanted hexes badly 15:51:26 I did go on to use it a fair amount 15:51:34 since it is pretty strong 15:51:41 I've used it as an emergency option on chars that didn't have cause fear but did have high Hexes 15:51:52 it's too short to use as a replacement for Confuse offensively 15:52:07 ??mass_confusion 15:52:07 mass confusion[1/2]: Tries to confuse all monsters in LOS. Unlike Alistairs, it works on the undead, poison resistant, and pretty much everyone else - but checks MR. 15:52:07 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 15:52:12 ??mass_confusion[2 15:52:13 mass confusion[2/2]: This will affect your allies as well any enemy monsters 15:52:24 I always hate it when the entries don't list the schools and spell level 15:52:29 it's L6 pure hexes? 15:52:50 !source spl-data.h 15:52:50 yes 15:52:50 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-data.h 15:53:07 yeah I need to make a bookmark for spl-data.h 15:53:07 !learn edit mass_confusion s/^/Level 6 Hexes. 15:53:08 Use: !learn edit mass_confusion[NUM] s/// 15:53:18 !learn edit mass_confusion s/^/Level 6 Hexes. / 15:53:18 Use: !learn edit mass_confusion[NUM] s/// 15:53:25 !learn edit mass_confusion[1 s/^/Level 6 Hexes. / 15:53:25 mass confusion[1/2]: Level 6 Hexes. Tries to confuse all monsters in LOS. Unlike Alistairs, it works on the undead, poison resistant, and pretty much everyone else - but checks MR. 15:53:56 Is there strong feeling that it's just not good? 15:54:06 I perhaps don't play all that many hexers 15:54:13 I didn't use it on my stabbers too much 15:54:19 It's decent, but not very good for offense. 15:54:28 wheals: got a link for the duration on mass confusion? 15:54:46 !source cast_mass_confusion 15:54:46 I think wheals's complaint was that it's boring to have it just be a mass version of a L3 spell 15:54:47 Can't find cast_mass_confusion. 15:54:50 rip 15:54:54 !source spl-cast.cc 15:54:54 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc 15:54:58 it's in beam.cc 15:55:01 apply_mass_enchantment or something 15:55:05 !source mass_enchantment 15:55:06 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/beam.cc#l1833 15:56:13 !source add_ench 15:56:14 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-ench.cc#l122 15:56:16 it looks like it just applies the default confusion duration, whatever that is for monsters 15:56:25 whereas beam-confusion depends on power 15:56:41 that's very odd -- it's noticeably shorter in practice than confusing everything using Confuse one at a time 15:57:02 like on the order of wearing off in 3-6 turns 15:57:15 !source mon_enchant 15:57:15 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-ench.cc#l2270 15:57:45 I vaguely recall a similar experience with mass confuse being shorter but I can't say for sure 15:57:46 it's in calc_duration, which is a fun one to untangle 15:58:03 the duration isn't based on the MR of the target, is it? 15:58:15 !source calc_duration 15:58:16 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-ench.cc#l2367 15:58:21 -!- Anchorite has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:58:22 the HD apparently 15:58:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:58:27 !source modded_speed 15:58:28 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-ench.cc#l2362 15:59:18 ah, that would explain it 15:59:30 anyway an easy change there would be just to have it apply a power-based duration like the beam does (which would probably be particularly noticeable since it gets a power boost for success rate already) 15:59:33 by the time you're casting Mass Confuse, you're not using it on yaks 15:59:51 so it's the higher of 100/(HD + 5) and 3 15:59:58 for speed-10 monsters 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:03 MarvinPA: that addresses power concerns -- if anything, that makes it really, really good -- but it doesn't address wheals's boredom complaint (if I summarized it right) 16:00:20 @?? stone giant 16:00:20 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 70-103 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | XP: 1418 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 16:00:37 !calc 100/21 16:00:38 so, ~5 turns on a stone giant 16:00:38 4 16:01:12 Also, I said 3-6 turns -- nailed it. :D 16:01:22 i guess the duration difference means it's not just Confusion Plus in terms of usage 16:01:46 but i don't know what use for it doesn't conflict with either confusion or alistair's 16:02:30