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Bravepunisher, XL20 MiBe, T:43049 requested for waterpalace: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:28:31 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-971-g0af6217 (34) 00:30:45 .gfgk -tv:channel=waterpalace:<3 -2 00:30:46 67/68. sugabear, XL27 VSGl, T:59005 requested for waterpalace: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:31:13 .gfgk -tv:channel=waterpalace:<3:cancel 00:31:14 68. Bravepunisher, XL20 MiBe, T:43049 cancel requested for waterpalace: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:31:16 .gfgk -tv:channel=waterpalace:<4 -2 00:31:17 67/68. sugabear, XL27 VSGl, T:59005 requested for waterpalace: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:31:26 .gfgk -tv:channel=waterpalace:<3:cancel -2 00:31:27 67/68. sugabear, XL27 VSGl, T:59005 cancel requested for waterpalace: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:31:31 .gfgk -tv:channel=waterpalace:<3:cancel -2 00:31:32 67/68. sugabear, XL27 VSGl, T:59005 cancel requested for waterpalace: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:31:39 .gfgk -tv:channel=waterpalace:<4 -2 00:31:40 67/68. sugabear, XL27 VSGl, T:59005 requested for waterpalace: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:36:31 -!- Tombs__77 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:41:16 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:46:52 -!- Mordru has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:49:26 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:57:23 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:21 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:06:26 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:06:45 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 01:08:22 -!- dacendoran has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:12:12 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-971-g0af6217 (34) 01:19:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:19:39 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-971-g0af6217 (34) 01:29:46 -!- Marbit has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:31:58 -!- earenndil is now known as Elronnd 01:35:54 -!- zxc has joined ##crawl-dev 01:37:16 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:39:44 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:54 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:47:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:52:16 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:53:16 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:54:43 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-971-g0af6217 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:13:06 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:15:19 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:11 ugh 02:19:17 i hate compilers 02:19:24 why does everything have to be so damn hard 02:20:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:22:27 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:23 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:34:52 -!- lucretius has quit [Client Quit] 02:36:49 -!- lucretius has quit [Client Quit] 02:37:06 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40:56 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:43:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 02:49:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:21 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-971-g0af6217 02:56:55 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:57:10 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:59:05 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:21:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:22:28 -!- hong has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:24:01 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:25:58 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 04:26:15 -!- Reverie has quit [Client Quit] 04:29:56 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:30:15 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 04:35:19 -!- SirLicksAlot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:41:10 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:46:34 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 04:53:39 -!- Reverie has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 04:57:15 -!- edsrzf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:03:25 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:08 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:20:36 b - tha +4 spear "Uhuiqaut" (weapon) {pierce, rC++ MR+ Int+6}. 05:20:39 quality sky weapon here 05:20:59 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:34:54 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:35:53 -!- smlr is now known as smiler 05:45:42 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:50:48 All up stairs immediately show as having been used (no asterisk) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10218 by WhodaMan 05:56:04 -!- Idolo has quit [] 05:56:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 05:59:29 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:11 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:00:22 -!- WhodaMan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:01:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Client Quit] 06:04:56 -!- dasdafaf has quit [Client Quit] 06:11:40 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:11:41 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:15:45 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 06:22:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:30:25 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:33:12 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:55 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:34:56 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 06:44:34 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:59:16 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest7985 06:59:44 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:12:36 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:21:28 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:21:45 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:24:00 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:37:32 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:48:13 Crash when trying to burn trees near map border 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10219 by zeiran 07:53:12 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:54:06 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:15 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:48 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:10:18 -!- MadMarvin has quit [Quit: MadMarvin] 08:20:01 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:23:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 08:27:46 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:35:40 -!- Guest7985 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:36:40 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:45:06 ??sky weapon 08:45:06 sky weapons[1/18]: A - +2,+1 flail (protect) 08:52:30 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:56:03 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:56:38 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:50 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:06:18 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:20:05 -!- maldini has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:26:15 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:27:43 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:28:54 -!- Delreyn has quit [Client Quit] 09:53:13 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 09:55:40 -!- alvarops has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56:54 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:17 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:30 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:12:15 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:12:18 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:23:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:48:43 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:24 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:34 -!- FiftyNine has quit [] 11:02:10 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:04:41 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:04:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:06:05 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:13:32 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:13:54 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:16:49 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:17:11 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:31:27 -!- Gorice has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:44:12 imo merge acid crabs 11:45:00 ??sky weapons[2 11:45:00 sky weapons[2/18]: M - +1,+5 sling of the New World {flame, rC++} 11:45:07 ??sky weapons[7 11:45:08 sky weapons[7/18]: t - +5,+1 whip "Tattletale" {flame, rF+ Dex+1} 11:45:13 I don't get it 11:45:20 ??sky weapons[16 11:45:20 sky weapons[16/18]: _G - the +5,+10 dagger "Qaibafan" {venom, rPois rF++ rC++} 11:46:00 a weapon chosen more for its resists than for its offense 11:46:04 more or less 11:46:20 hmm ok. where does the name come from? 11:46:24 <|amethyst> ??sky[15] 11:46:25 sky[15/16]: i have a +17 crystal plate with some nice egos but it doesn't have clarity 11:46:30 <|amethyst> ??sky[8] 11:46:30 sky[8/16]: wowwwwwwww cleared elf and STILL no iron shot elf/orc/lair/ all cleared, no iron shot found. while worshiping sif this is going to be a hard game :\ Sky_, believe it or not the game is winnable without casting Iron Shot :) i know there's crystal spear :p 11:46:50 !gamesby sky 11:46:51 sky has played 7802 games, between 2011-03-22 04:28:16 and 2015-12-31 07:43:16, won 52 (0.7%), high score 17088521, total score 240192660, total turns 69703699, play-time/day 1:10:49, total time 85d+20:52:49. 11:46:55 I see. 11:47:15 ??sky armour 11:47:16 sky weapons[1/18]: A - +2,+1 flail (protect) 11:48:11 <|amethyst> I guess this might be the most relevant Sky entry to the question of sky weapons 11:48:14 <|amethyst> ??sky[12] 11:48:14 sky[12/16]: marked it with !a, now it's perfect :) 11:49:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:48 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:52:42 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 11:53:55 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:54:19 -!- minqmay has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:54:54 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:03:54 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:04:33 !lg sky 12:04:34 7802. Sky the Ducker (L7 DrBe of Trog), slain by an orc warrior (a +0 glaive) on D:6 on 2015-12-31 07:43:16, with 877 points after 3650 turns and 0:19:37. 12:04:39 !gamesby sky 12:04:40 sky has played 7802 games, between 2011-03-22 04:28:16 and 2015-12-31 07:43:16, won 52 (0.7%), high score 17088521, total score 240192660, total turns 69703699, play-time/day 1:10:49, total time 85d+20:52:49. 12:04:50 still chuggin along 12:05:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:10 !gamesby . month 12:05:11 gammafunk (month) has played 55 games, between 2015-10-27 00:59:48 and 2016-01-02 04:54:08, won 2 (3.6%), high score 2844300, total score 5548270, total turns 358118, play-time/day 0:47:07, total time 2d+5:24:33. 12:05:15 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05:24 !gamesby . !gfspeed month 12:05:25 gammafunk (!gfspeed month) has played 4 games, between 2015-10-27 00:59:48 and 2015-12-18 03:11:22, won 2 (50.0%), high score 2844300, total score 4422446, total turns 164997, play-time/day 0:25:42, total time 22:42:18. 12:07:22 !gamesby devteam month 12:07:25 devteam (month) has played 360 games, between 2015-04-03 17:26:44 and 2016-01-02 17:04:33, won 9 (2.5%), high score 2844300, total score 22257042, total turns 2625098, play-time/day 0:40:51, total time 7d+19:15:35. 12:08:01 er 12:08:04 !kw month 12:08:05 Keyword: month => end>${now()-interval('31d')} 12:08:44 !lg * devteamnp month min=start 12:08:45 No keyword 'devteamnp' 12:08:48 !lg devteamnp month min=start x=start 12:08:49 yeah must be about start 12:08:50 345. [start=2015-04-03 17:26:44 [20150303172644S]] PleasingFungus the Impregnable (L24 MiWr of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-12-05 07:29:22, with 2295621 points after 37492 turns and 4:11:06. 12:08:57 !blame2 PleasingFungus 12:08:57 PPPllleeeaaasssiiinnngggFFFuuunnnggguuusss 12:09:03 !blame3 PleasingFungus 12:09:04 PleeeeeaaaaasiiiiingFuuuuunguuuuus 12:09:40 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:09:54 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 12:09:59 hrm, I guess play-time per day is also based on the earliest game start 12:10:11 so it's also not right in this case 12:10:49 !gamesby devteam month start>${now()-interval('31d')} 12:10:53 devteam (month start>${now()-interval('31d')}) has played 353 games, between 2015-12-02 17:44:22 and 2016-01-02 17:04:33, won 6 (1.7%), high score 2160816, total score 14299326, total turns 2226978, play-time/day 4:53:24, total time 6d+12:29:01. 12:10:57 there we go 12:12:44 -!- roark has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:14:57 -!- CcS has quit [] 12:15:27 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:22:20 seems that my windows 8.1 key worked for installing a windows 10 vm, so now I can test both, at least 12:25:06 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-971-g0af6217 (34) 12:25:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:25:11 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 12:47:07 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:38 -!- simples has quit [Client Quit] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:36 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:05:11 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:06:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:11:35 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:27 hrm, git for windows installation doesn't seem to work on windows 10 13:14:06 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:14:21 git for windows sdk installation, I should say 13:14:33 I'm going to try just installing msys2 and usig pacman to install/upgrade the components 13:15:11 maybe we'll need newnewnewnew Windows installation instructions 13:22:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:23:59 I can't crash the game. 13:30:50 PleasingFungus: you can't have nice things 13:30:53 like crashes 13:31:13 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 13:31:49 directly installing msys2 and dev packages looks to be a lot faster than git for windows sdk anyhow 13:32:21 pacman has a git 2.6 and gcc 4.9 13:32:36 I guess that's less recent gcc than git for windows sdk 13:32:48 but 4.9 should be good enough for us for a while? 13:32:50 that was the problem, yeh 13:32:58 hopefully 13:33:01 oh, 4.9 isn't recent enough? 13:33:02 rip 13:33:05 I thought 4.8 was the cutoff 13:33:13 some of our servers run 4.7 13:33:15 so 13:33:17 yeah 13:33:23 does 4.9 support C++14? 13:33:24 no, iirc when the switch was made msys2 was shipping 4.6 13:33:28 ah, I see 13:33:39 yeah it's being regularly updated, so maybe this is the way we should go for windows 13:33:42 andinstalling a later one was causing massive pain for people 13:33:59 well this hasn't finished installing and I've not even gotten to compiling crawl yet 13:34:05 so perhaps the Real Fun is to come 13:34:36 really wish I knew where "/home/gammafunk" actually resided 13:35:03 ah, it's in c:\msys64 13:35:26 that's one significant difference, since I believe the sdk made home to be the windows home dir 13:35:37 that difference will confuse some people 13:36:58 crap, did I give this vm any cores 13:37:47 I didn't even give it cores, I'm a failure 13:37:57 lmao 13:38:11 learn add 13:45:19 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 13:47:19 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:51:49 oh, seems our Makefile isn't properly seeing the mingw arch for my install 13:55:04 ah, I wonder if we support compiling in 64-bit msys at all 13:55:25 at least for Tiles 13:57:25 hm 13:58:08 if the passives branch is working, it seems like we could just merge it. not like there's save compat or anything like that. 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:13 seems that -lmingw32 isn't needed at all (i.e. -lmingw64 is also not needed) 14:00:21 I wonder how that varies across install 14:00:56 PleasingFungus: it should work, probably has some bugs and isn't complete 14:01:15 I don't think you need to wait for completeness 14:01:17 was my point 14:01:23 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:01:48 right 14:04:27 Wait...stop...you can't let a bug make into into crawl's perfect and bugfree codebase... 14:04:40 *it into 14:05:28 hrm, I need to get copy and past working so I can paste this compilation error 14:08:03 seems I just need to install the virtualbox guest additions 14:08:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:10:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-972-g1dc41da: Warn before quaffing !lig in dangerous clouds 10(49 seconds ago, 1 file, 17+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1dc41da1e0d6 14:20:34 Double article in message when reflecting a boulder beetle 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10220 by jefus 14:20:42 crash.cc: In function ‘void call_gdb(FILE*)’: 14:20:42 crash.cc:399:33: error: ‘fileno’ was not declared in this scope int fd = fileno(file); 14:21:20 probably more arch detection problems 14:23:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-973-g2727f70: Remove a a double article (10220) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2727f70c0107 14:24:08 either that or I'm missing some dev libraries 14:24:30 PleasingFungus, thanks for the the prompt service 14:24:36 :) 14:24:40 :D 14:25:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:29:26 interesting, apparently -std=gnu++11 will fix this 14:31:22 there's also some weird clock skewness thing going on, and I think it's recompiling all objects regardless of previous compilation, even if the make args are the same 14:31:40 make[1]: warning: Clock skew detected. Your build may be incomplete. 14:33:01 This sorcery requires the powerful magic of a neil 14:33:36 but so far by removing -lmingw32 and using -std=gnu++11 instead of -std=c++11 it seems to be compiling 14:36:49 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:41:24 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:43:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:43:57 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:31 aha, we're getting a cygwin compile 14:44:37 that's what seems to be happening 14:48:43 is it... 14:51:42 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:55:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:57:20 -!- argent0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:56 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:05:42 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:08:39 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:10:06 hrm, I need to see what these gcc defines are, maybe what I need is __MINGW64__ 15:12:37 oh wow, this is in fact definining __CYGWIN__ 15:17:47 it's looking like default install of gcc might have installed cygwin 15:21:37 -!- Menche has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:24:23 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:06 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-974-gd5b4d0f: Let the teleport message from "dismissal show up in ^p 10(12 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d5b4d0fe3322 15:31:58 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:32:46 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 15:32:55 -!- Mordru has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:35:24 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:35:46 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 15:39:48 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:46:29 looking like all those lib/std problems were due to the default gcc install being a cygwininzed one 15:46:46 of course we're only on mutation.cc, so maybe I'm speaking too soon 15:55:03 success, but still that problem with tiles rendering as white blocks 15:55:07 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:35 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:04:48 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:49 @??gnoll 16:17:50 gnoll (08g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 2 | HP: 11-15 | AC/EV: 2/9 | Dam: 9 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 14 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:18:04 @??big kobold 16:18:04 big kobold (08K) | Spd: 10 | HD: 5 | HP: 24-31 | AC/EV: 3/12 | Dam: 7 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(20) | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 97 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:18:17 @??Sigmund 16:18:18 Sigmund (08@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 26-34 | AC/EV: 2/11 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 223 | Sp: throw flame (3d5), invisibility, magic dart (3d4), confuse | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:18:48 !rip dpeg 16:18:48 @??-version 16:18:48 Monster stats Crawl version: 0.18-a0-971-g0af6217 16:18:51 %git 16:18:51 07amalloy02 * 0.18-a0-974-gd5b4d0f: Let the teleport message from "dismissal show up in ^p 10(54 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d5b4d0fe3322 16:18:53 k 16:18:55 dpeg the Destroyer (L12 FoVM), worshipper of Ru, slain by a trapdoor spider on Lair:5, with 22073 points after 12264 turns and 0:41:03. 16:18:59 rip 16:19:02 <.< 16:19:08 exceptionally fast for me 16:19:19 * dpeg is proud of this death 16:19:35 @??yak 16:19:35 yak (07Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 7 | HP: 33-44 | AC/EV: 4/7 | Dam: 18 | Res: 06magic(20) | XP: 204 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 16:19:46 populating oubliettes 16:22:14 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 16:24:06 -!- Reverie|Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 16:24:10 Anyone remembers that strange Nethack message on the Home level (where you're called for the quest)? 16:24:35 -!- Reverie has joined ##crawl-dev 16:28:30 @??wolf 16:28:30 wolf (15h) | Spd: 17 | HD: 4 | HP: 18-26 | AC/EV: 4/15 | Dam: 12 | see invisible | Res: 06magic(20), 08blind | XP: 170 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 16:28:43 You receive a faint telepathic message from : Your help is urgently needed at ! Look for a ...ic transporter. You couldn't quite make out that last message. 16:28:44 !learn del amalloy_todo[dismis 16:28:44 amalloy_todo has 5 entries, you can only delete one at a time. 16:28:55 !readall amalloy_todo 16:28:56 check out summon forest's behavior when it wears off while you're off-level / view morgue in game? / remove Rot from list of enchantments / see why "dismissal messages dont show up in ^p / check out hatchless deep water vault in - http://crawl.akrasiac.org/saves/amalloy-crawl-git-5edc98f442-160101-0433.tar.bz2 16:29:13 !help !learn 16:29:13 !learn: Learndb. Syntax: !learn query item; !learn (add|del) item text; !learn edit item[num] s/replace-this/with-this/; !learn swap a b; !learn mv a b 16:29:45 I have a bizarre emacs question: how can I enter "set mark" the long way (Ctrl-Space does not work here)? 16:30:11 @??sheep 16:30:11 sheep (15Y) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 13-19 | AC/EV: 2/7 | Dam: 13 | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 28 | Sz: Medium | Int: animal. 16:30:22 dpeg: doesn't work? you could try C-@ 16:31:00 !learn set amalloy_todo[4] document Vertigo 16:31:01 amalloy todo[4/5]: document Vertigo 16:31:33 or M-x set-mark-command 16:32:47 cool, both work! 16:33:14 this helps oubliettes a lot :) gotta watch the last episode of House of Cards with my wife first, though 16:33:39 dpeg: there are also a lot of commands that implicitly set the mark without making it "active", ie visible 16:33:57 like when you use C-s to search, mark gets implicitly set to where you started the search 16:34:17 so i don't know what you're doing, but you might even not need to set the mark at all 16:34:19 amalloy: I am extremely familiar with emacs, it's just that I am typing on an ssh console, and some keys don't work over there 16:34:26 yeah, i've had that problem 16:34:44 dpeg: fwiwi found the answer to your question via C-h k C-spc locally 16:34:59 so if you have a similar question you could probably answer it yourself the same way 16:35:44 how do i edit the manual? PF mentioned that any player can edit it, which suggests to me it's not just some file in the repo i can edit and commit a change to 16:36:25 is it still in REST on the devwiki and gets synchronised` 16:36:26 ? 16:36:49 probably 16:36:53 what does that mean? 16:38:00 dpeg: ah, found it 16:38:06 ok 16:42:26 ??vertigo 16:42:26 vertigo[1/1]: A short-lived status (3-6 turns) caused by wearing amulets of dismissal. The effects about the same as wearing heavier armour: decreased EV, increased spellcasting failure, and decreased accuracy. 16:44:17 aha. i could have looked up Vertigo by checking @ 16:46:34 just noticed that "stasis being gone is a paralysis buff 16:46:56 (no I am not asking to nerf paralysis) 16:46:57 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:48:55 -!- yernab_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:50:10 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:50:56 so if i wanted to sync changes to the manual, how would i do that? i made a few edits on the devwiki, to see how a normal player would do it 16:52:45 <|amethyst> make rest 16:53:02 <|amethyst> (it doesn't sync, it replaces) 16:53:43 <|amethyst> I don't know if these commits were applied online: 16:53:50 <|amethyst> %git 7dfd161 16:53:50 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-50-g7dfd161: Partially update the manual for 0.17 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 62+ 59-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7dfd161aa44a 16:53:54 <|amethyst> %git 409e6b20 16:53:54 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-58-g409e6b2: Update the manual further for 0.17 (MarvinPA) 10(8 weeks ago, 1 file, 27+ 52-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/409e6b20eb62 16:53:58 <|amethyst> %git 13eb96ca 16:53:58 07doy02 * 0.18-a0-618-g13eb96c: update the manual for the merger of ^T and ^V with | 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/13eb96ca936a 16:54:33 <|amethyst> if they're not in the wiki, you should apply them there (by hand) before doing make rest 16:55:43 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:56:14 FR send a mild electric shock to anyone who edits the manual instead of the rest wiki 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:54 |amethyst: something weird i noticed: the manual doesn't seem to work offline? like i hit ?5 and it just takes me back to the main screen 17:02:49 oh my god. no wonder nobody runs make rest. it's just full of new typos 17:03:01 |amethyst: I don't know if you care, but I was going to update the windows install to describe how to install msys2 + gcc + git directly (using pacman to get gcc/git) instead of through Git for Windows SDK, since I got this setup to work 17:03:09 the gcc you get is only 4.9, instead of 5.2 17:03:49 *windows install instructions 17:03:49 somebody removed like every instance of the letter R 17:03:53 hah 17:04:07 or i guess it's the first instance of R in each line 17:04:09 some people hate that glyph 17:04:10 +Dungeon Cawl Stone Soup manual +A. Oveview 17:04:29 thousands of lines of diff 17:04:46 hrm, I'm not sure this happens on other systems 17:04:48 i'm gonna see if i can find that and revert it in the wiki 17:05:04 oh, did someone deface the REST doc? 17:05:25 I ran make rest with the last release even 17:05:39 and I think MPA did after 17.0 17:05:51 hm 17:05:53 the wiki page looks fine 17:05:55 i think make rest is broken 17:06:01 since the wiki does look fine 17:06:02 let me try it on my system 17:06:04 must be a bug with syncing it maybe 17:06:15 i bet it's an \r\n issue? 17:06:19 and yeah all my manual updates are via the wiki and make rest 17:06:27 I get no such diff on my system 17:06:33 I just see a new block wrt Vertigo 17:06:42 Replacing the lines for Rot, it seems 17:06:58 -!- smiler has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 17:06:59 gammafunk: that was me 17:07:04 two other chunks, but they look fine 17:07:16 but when i run make rest i get a ton of incorrect diffs 17:07:24 you're on osx, right? 17:07:30 wonder if it's some platform-specific thing 17:07:37 probably 17:07:40 i'll see how make rest works 17:07:43 let me try in msys2 17:08:52 again my bet is on s/\r//; 17:08:54 something somewhere has a \r that needs to be \\r 17:08:56 in sed 17:09:37 yeah. making that change fixes it 17:09:47 s/\r//; should be s/\\r//; 17:10:23 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-975-g4603a40: Fix undoku.sed to work on OSX 10(11 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4603a40dbfc0 17:10:29 gammafunk: can you re-run make rest with this commit and make sure it still works? 17:10:41 sire 17:10:44 er, sure 17:10:47 thank you for the proper respect at last 17:11:04 amalloy, king of the devs 17:11:29 looks good, m' Lord 17:11:36 thanks 17:13:01 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:13:10 also works fine in windows with that commit 17:13:20 Once Again, OSX Break Everything 17:13:24 *Breaks 17:13:32 oh, actually 17:13:36 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:13:40 that probably breaks it on linux 17:13:46 POSIX sed does not understand \r 17:13:58 except on the pattern side 17:14:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:14:35 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-976-g9003074: Sync devwiki manual 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9003074be4a6 17:16:08 hrm, well it didn't seem to break under ubuntu 17:16:27 or at least I saw no weirdness in the synced changes 17:16:35 it will fail in the opposite direction, ^Ms won't be removed 17:16:41 that is matching literal backslash, r 17:17:08 and same on OS X 17:17:28 what doesn't work is that \r matches ^M with GNU sed and r with POSIX sed 17:18:03 oh, I ran into that issue 17:18:15 I just made that change manually every time I wanted to sync the manual 17:18:17 which wasn't often 17:18:23 manually ha ha ha 17:18:58 is it pun time yet? 17:20:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 17:20:37 geekosaur: so on my linux system, if a ^M is seen, my gnu sed won't replace it since it's getting \\r, which will have it look for a literal '\r' 17:20:49 yes 17:21:14 wonder what the right way to fix this is, then 17:21:14 any of http://stackoverflow.com/q/21621722/625403 look like the right answer for us? 17:21:22 whreas with \r it will replace it but a POSIX sed such as the FreeBSD-derived on on OS X will do the wrong thing 17:21:48 dpeg: always 17:22:14 \x0d seems good 17:22:33 or that printf suggestion might work 17:22:52 but it looks like all of these are using the shell to put a literal 0d byte into the sed command list 17:22:56 this is actually somewhat hard to do 100% right; POSIX tr should work eerywhere we care about though 17:23:02 nothing we can embed into the existing sed file 17:23:09 so we could just add another command 17:23:09 $'' is a bash-ism, which we may already rely on 17:23:19 (bash, that is) 17:23:28 bashism <3 <3 <3 17:24:08 hopefully nobody is trying to build crawl on a 4.xBSD derived system without POSIX compatibility >.> 17:24:29 amalloy: yeah we could just add another pipe in there 17:24:31 to tr 17:24:53 amalloy: can you try reverting that and instead adding | tr -d '\r' 17:24:57 i will 17:25:02 (in fact am already) 17:25:05 hm 17:25:08 thank you sire! 17:25:18 * geekosaur tries to remember if that screws up on SOlaris... then again we may not care 17:25:34 (although on Solaris the fix is to use /usr/xpg?/bin/tr 17:25:36 ) 17:25:42 if we don't support original Unix System V...well...it's time to close up shop 17:26:13 03amalloy02 07* 0.18-a0-977-ge0e037f: Use tr instead of sed, to fix undoku portably (geekosaur) 10(80 seconds ago, 2 files, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0e037f24cb9 17:26:18 * dpeg feels a bit like in a secret Nethack dev channel where octogenarian bearded men speak in tongues about whether "NH 4.7 will run on AmigaOS and OS/2" 17:26:38 * geekosaur supports Solaris customers in day job. they ain't building crawl though >.> 17:26:46 suspect that'd be a firing offense 17:26:46 -!- Kalir has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:27:23 * dpeg hands geekosaur the quiver 17:27:52 -!- bleaky has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:32:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:34:38 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:34:48 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 17:35:07 @??skeletal warrior 17:35:07 skeletal warrior (10z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 55-74 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 25 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 769 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:35:13 @??wight 17:35:13 wight (03z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 3 | HP: 14-19 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 813(drain) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(20), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 58 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:35:28 can I do this in a separate channel? 17:35:35 @??wraith 17:35:35 wraith (15W) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 28-39 | AC/EV: 10/10 | Dam: 1313(drain speed) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 209 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 17:36:06 !vault bobbens_ice_dragon_lair 17:36:07 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/lair.des#l636 17:36:10 dpeg: ##crawl-sequell 17:36:19 or PM gretell 17:36:29 wonderful, sorry for channel pestilence 17:36:37 i gues since it's not Sequell but Gretell my first suggestion won't really work :P 17:37:53 !learn del amalloy_todo[3 17:37:53 Deleted amalloy todo[3/5]: remove Rot from list of enchantments 17:37:56 !learn del amalloy_todo[3 17:37:57 Deleted amalloy todo[3/4]: document Vertigo 17:38:30 !learn add amalloy_todo automatically convert down hatches into up and nive versa when one is ineligible 17:38:30 amalloy todo[4/4]: automatically convert down hatches into up and nive versa when one is ineligible 17:38:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:38:50 !learn edit amalloy_todo[4] s/nive/vice/ 17:38:50 amalloy todo[4/4]: automatically convert down hatches into up and vice versa when one is ineligible 17:38:59 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:39:17 -!- Taq has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:39:29 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Client Quit] 17:40:14 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:40:52 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:42:59 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:00 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:44:18 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 17:45:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:48:03 -!- argent0_ has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:54:16 -!- KamiKatze_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:55:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:43 |amethyst: we talked about autofixup for hatches a while ago, and i think the suggestion was to give each branch a map for feature replacements, to fall back on if after doing replacements we end up with a feature that's not supposed to exist in that branch, like an up-hatch in dis 17:57:19 does that sound right/complete? and if so, what replacements do we want in hell branches? up hatches replaced with exits back to vestibule, and down hatches replaced with...the same thing? shafts? 17:58:15 if a down hatch isn't allowed to exist, a shaft probably won't be either. 17:58:36 PleasingFungus: well in hell branches that's not true, for example 17:58:53 but a shaft doesn't necessarily fix the problem, since it's one-use-only and you can get trapped the second time 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:05 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:00:12 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:02:36 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 18:03:15 amalloy: ? 18:03:16 PleasingFungus: does https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/shopmenu/crawl-ref/source/tags.cc#L2069-L2099 look good to you? (save compat on shopmenu branch) 18:03:24 when are hatches forbidden but shafts not? 18:03:27 oh you're right 18:03:31 ok. 18:03:31 i forgot they're allowed in hell 18:04:27 wheals: I think I saw that earlier - it looks reasonable 18:04:40 just your old save compat but with the || unshopinfo, right? 18:04:48 yep 18:05:08 if you want to test anything else before i merge, it's on cbro experimental, if you have wizmode there 18:07:49 I do 18:07:57 have wizmode 18:09:04 I guess I could look 18:09:06 but... enh 18:10:05 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-977-ge0e037f (34) 18:12:38 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:13:29 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 18:13:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14:22 -!- KamiKatze has quit [Client Quit] 18:15:44 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:02 -!- hurdos has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:21:58 wheals: wow, that was a timely fix to the tree crash! 18:24:59 Wow, we still use sed in scripts? 18:25:07 Portability nightmare people, Just Use Perl :P 18:25:49 ^yes please 18:27:01 greensnark: cheers! 18:27:18 -!- siepu_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:27:51 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:27:52 The build has errored. (master - 9003074 #4373 : Alan Malloy): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/99877367 18:27:52 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 18:30:04 dpeg: Hiya :) 18:30:36 greensnark: It's looking a bit less likely that your lua help was in vain :) Slowly poking the oubliettes. 18:35:51 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:41:56 * geekosaur had considered suggesting that given existing perl usage 18:42:13 hm, fail after 48 secs unlikely to be crawl's fault 18:43:07 clearly we need some Travis McGee /mots justs/ 18:44:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:46:28 -!- simples has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:46:30 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 18:48:26 -!- bleak has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:57:29 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:57:40 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:59:49 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:02:24 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:05:56 -!- Reverie is now known as Reverie|Away 19:06:57 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:07:26 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:08:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-978-g56fd920: Revert "Revert shop menu changes" 10(3 days ago, 13 files, 860+ 1513-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56fd9201b1db 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-979-ge7ad972: Shop menu: fix the prompt text for local tiles. 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 32+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e7ad972d4d15 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-980-gfd29552: Shop menu: Remove the ugly background in Tiles. 10(2 days ago, 4 files, 7+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fd295522fd92 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-981-g519e269: Shop menu: maybe fix the Webtiles menu not updating. 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 23+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/519e26900e75 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-982-g6132cfd: Shop menu: fix the purchase prompt not going away. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6132cfdcf0f8 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-983-g63271b3: Avoid some JS errors. 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/63271b38dee9 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-984-g2e4691b: Shop menu: Fix the menu not shrinking on purchase in Webtiles. 10(2 days ago, 3 files, 14+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2e4691bdb901 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-985-g02be83f: Shop menu: swap order of buy/examine. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/02be83f1a008 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-986-gb4460b6: Restore comments (PleasingFungus). 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b4460b63e6c8 19:11:54 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-987-g0b0e4e7: Refactor (amalloy). 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b0e4e7887a7 19:12:16 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:17 prayin for a buggy christmas 19:12:19 i'm taking "enh" as an sign of enthusiastic approval 19:13:37 really, this whole commit-revert-rerevert cycle was just a way for you to get more millimarvins. 19:13:41 I can see how it is. 19:14:07 i've been Found 19:14:39 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:14:53 deleting shopmenu, monster-import, holinesses, and tarwolves branches 19:15:01 rip 19:15:14 Grunt: is it ok to delete orcs_and_elves? 19:18:31 %git orcs_and_elves 19:18:31 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-740-g131784a: Merge branch 'master' into orcs_and_elves 10(4 weeks ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/131784a1292e 19:19:11 btw i still like new orc 19:19:14 augh, an infinite number of merge commits 19:19:39 instead of 4 floors of holding tab, it's 2 floors of fighting for my life 19:20:28 my current game i had a really nasty lair:3 and had to dip into orc first for xp. had several near-rips before giving up on O:2 19:20:31 wheals: ya 19:20:36 looks like it's all merged now 19:20:48 there is one thing there that hasn't been merged, but part of the relevant commit is in anyway 19:21:03 Grunt: rip 19:21:03 and I don't think the other part will land 19:21:12 man, willitblend branch 19:21:13 also rip 19:21:20 %git willitblend 19:21:20 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-1825-g3aa259e: Merge branch 'master' into willitblend 10(4 months ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3aa259eb9a5d 19:21:23 %git willitblend^ 19:21:23 07Bodrick02 * 0.17-a0-1820-g2651985: Rename LIGHT_MAX_VALUE to NUM_LIGHT_SEGS 10(4 months ago, 5 files, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2651985c39be 19:21:25 oh 19:22:03 also deleted ctele branch 19:22:14 !remove cTele 19:22:14 03Grunt * 0.18-a0-1523-g38eabb1: Remove cTele 10(in the future, 28 files, 923+ 481-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=38eabb1 19:22:37 and lair_runes_4 19:23:48 also hungcap " Remove the hunger/regen cap on movement" is in master 19:24:20 Grunt: in the past, surely... 19:24:38 !remove PleasingFungus. 19:24:39 03Grunt * 0.18-a0-1524-g43dd897: Remove PleasingFungus. 10(in the future, 33 files, 357+ 958-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=43dd897 19:24:47 also "oublie" and "pv", which are errors, the main branch is oubliette 19:25:02 nice 19:25:02 and moon_base 19:25:02 what's pv? 19:25:22 moon_base can never be deleted 19:25:26 if the moon troll hears of it... 19:25:39 just an error dpeg made when messing with git i think 19:25:44 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:25:59 someone made a branch 'test' a while back I think 19:26:02 %git test 19:26:02 Could not find commit test (git returned 128) 19:26:10 huh, maybe got deleted 19:26:18 no need to be 19:26:19 testy 19:26:35 Yeah well...your face...is like a test... 19:26:40 also rng, since bh went with PCG instead of ChaCha 19:27:12 and acqreform 19:27:30 -!- Reverie|Away has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:27:39 zotdef_removal? 19:27:45 and rotten 19:28:03 zig-evoke, I see a ton, but I don't know if these all still exist 19:28:09 I assume branch -r is current 19:28:10 and nicolae_madness 19:28:48 weightless and weightless_rebase, top-tier branches 19:28:57 are you deleting this yourself? 19:28:59 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:29:00 *these 19:29:05 no, but I can 19:29:12 can it be done on the command line? 19:29:17 deleting remote ones, I mean 19:29:48 git push --delete, i think 19:29:56 or there's an older syntax 19:29:58 it's in `man git-push` 19:30:06 also documented there 19:30:11 let's try it 19:30:13 any idea why tornado4 wasn't merged? 19:30:28 it's part of webtiles-changes which was never quite finished iirc 19:30:37 hrm 19:30:42 I'm not familiar with this one 19:30:45 %git tornado4 19:30:46 07chequers02 {|amethyst} * 0.17-a0-1317-g4e74a71: Update GameDataHandler to work with Tornado 4. 10(9 months ago, 2 files, 36+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4e74a71a3201 19:30:48 it looks independent to me 19:31:11 and it doesn't actually change the version, so there shouldn't be issues with places without 4? 19:32:18 no that's not how it would work 19:32:22 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 43.0.2/20151221130713]] 19:32:56 -!- bleaky- has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33:17 tornado4 doesn't have a special tornado4 module or anything 19:33:23 it still uses the same module name 19:34:20 so i guess maybe tornado 3 doesn't have {get,validate}_absolute_path? 19:34:59 btw gammafunk i discovered i'm better at speedrunning than you are: 19:34:59 !speedorb gammafunk 19:34:59 speedorb . 19:35:02 gammafunk's fastest orb retrieval: 843 turns 19:35:12 I don't have a fast orb 19:35:13 !speedorb . 19:35:17 amalloy's fastest orb retrieval: 298 turns 19:35:24 you're doing speedruns wrong 19:35:26 what you want is 19:35:38 !speedrune . swamp 19:35:42 gammafunk's fastest swamp rune retrieval: 421 turns 19:35:43 !speedrune amalloy swamp 19:35:47 the ones that matter 19:35:47 amalloy's fastest swamp rune retrieval: 2735 turns 19:36:03 runes r 4 chumps 19:36:20 well if you can win without them, you'll impress the hell out of me 19:36:38 421 is reasonably fast anyhow, just not very fast 19:36:58 much of this boils down to rng, although without -ctele you can probably use PoG to help controll that 19:37:24 oh that's 843, not 421 19:37:54 hrm, actually 19:37:58 !cmd speedrob 19:37:59 No command !speedrob 19:38:01 !cmd speedorb 19:38:01 Command: !speedorb => .echo $(name_fixup ${1:-.})'s fastest orb retrieval$(if $* " ("$*")"): $(foldr min 1000000 (listsubtract (split | (!lm ${1:-.} $* orb s=gid o=gid x=max(turns) join:"|" fmt:"${x[0]}")) (split | (!lm ${1:-.} $* $(id "(("$(join || $(!lm ${1:-.} $* orb s=gid o=gid x=max(turns) join:"|" fmt:"gid=${.} turns<=${x[0]}"))"))") br.enter=zot s=gid o=gid x=max(turns) join:"|" fmt:"${x[0]... 19:38:05 that's Z1->orb 19:38:37 yeah but that doesn't quite seem right 19:38:45 the 843, maybe it is 19:38:55 oh z1 19:38:57 gotcha 19:39:11 that's a weird command then 19:39:21 I guess it's pretty reasonable though, similar to how we do runes 19:39:23 !speedzot5 gammafunk 19:39:27 gammafunk's fastest Zot:5 enter to Orb retrieval: 47 turns 19:39:44 I tend to think of Z5->orb, but yeah that's probably not the right way to think about it 19:39:49 !speedzot5 amalloy 19:39:53 amalloy's fastest Zot:5 enter to Orb retrieval: 18 turns 19:40:07 !speedzot5 jefus 19:40:09 jefus's fastest Zot:5 enter to Orb retrieval: 4 turns 19:40:12 maybe record holder 19:40:18 shaft onto it 19:40:29 I'm sure someone has done that 19:40:39 he hatched to near it 19:40:54 yeah but I think I've even read about people shafting onto orb 19:41:01 so I bet there's an instant orb game somewhere 19:41:06 yes 19:42:47 -!- Adder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44:20 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:45:20 -!- WhodaMan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:45:33 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:46:10 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:49:31 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49:32 !speedorb 19:49:35 wheals's fastest orb retrieval: 430 turns 19:49:36 !speedzot5 19:49:39 wheals's fastest Zot:5 enter to Orb retrieval: 234 turns 19:50:11 !speedzot5 * 19:50:20 rip Sequell 19:50:26 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 19:50:32 i didn't really expect it to work 19:50:40 bot murdered 19:50:54 ??test 19:50:54 test[1/40]: blaargh blaargh blaargh blaargh blaargh 19:51:00 !lg 19:51:01 3509. gammafunk the Executioner (L18 MiBe of Trog), quit the game on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault; vaults_end_mu_construction) on 2016-01-02 04:54:08, with 279994 points after 15382 turns and 2:35:40. 19:51:43 it will timeout eventually, don't worry 19:52:07 Don't worry, I wasn't worried 19:52:38 i worry gammafunk worries too much 19:52:47 I have no worries; as long as I can $(!flip) I'm happy 19:53:01 -!- roadmap has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:01 !flip gammafunk 19:53:02 (╯°□°)╯︵ʞunɟɐɯɯɐƃ 19:53:11 ʞunɟɐɯɯɐƃ 19:53:56 !commit $(!flip wheals) 19:53:56 03gammafunk * 0.18-a0-1525-ga4dd75d: (╯°□°)╯︵slɐǝɥʍ 10(in the future, 34 files, 845+ 581-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a4dd75d 19:54:13 flipped his lid 19:54:18 all the deleted (sensible) branches have landed? (asking for nicolae's stuff) 19:54:20 !commit $(!flip $(!blame3 gammafunk)) 19:54:21 03wheals * 0.18-a0-1526-g9361828: (╯°□°)╯︵ʞunnnnnɟɐɐɐɐɐɯɯɐɐɐɐɐƃ 10(in the future, 42 files, 238+ 286-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=9361828 19:54:29 dpeg: yeah, i checked 19:54:35 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:54:36 The build has errored. (pv - 2280fab #4376 : David Ploog): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/99891713 19:54:36 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:58:02 wheals: cool, thanks 19:59:07 -!- Mordru has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:44 gammafunk: i think my record is 3 turns via nemelex shafting, !speedzot5 doesn't catch it though because i had to dip in and map the level first 20:04:00 and the ttyrec is one of the lost cdo ones :( 20:04:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:04:08 :( 20:05:32 but yeah i think it was descend, map, ascend, then i slightly miscalculated the shaft spot for the orb so still had to take another step before picking it up after taking the shaft 20:07:16 MarvinPA: doesn't shaft put you in a random place? 20:07:55 it does now! it used to put you at the same coordinates though 20:09:56 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:13:58 neat, some old nem tech I didn't know about 20:15:01 just deleted a few branches, including chunkless, rip the dream 20:15:34 that was also back when the portal card existed and gave you instant controlled teleports (and no -ctele with the orb), so i used one of those to get back off zot:5 immediately after picking up the orb 20:15:39 gosh old crawl was easy 20:16:37 ??mission impossible 20:16:37 I don't have a page labeled mission_impossible in my learndb. 20:16:50 i guess as you said we couldn't watch it anyway 20:17:33 MarvinPA: PoG does that now :P 20:17:47 MarvinPA: which versions do you mean? Not a joke? 20:18:59 dpeg: i think that must've been back in 0.7 or 0.8, i'm not entirely serious though :P 20:19:53 !gamesby * !boring current trunk 20:19:55 I definitely wouldn't mind making Crawl harder. In fact, I'd support it. 20:20:04 * (!boring current trunk) has played 90440 games, between 2013-07-25 12:20:12 and 2016-01-03 01:17:56, won 1042 (1.2%), high score 55944856, total score 6999746974, total turns 622703832, play-time/day 1d+21:03:53, total time 4y+216d+18:49:08. 20:20:05 MAKING CRAWL HARD AGAIN!!!1! 20:20:34 I'd humbly suggest the word 'difficult' over 'hard' 20:20:35 i like the 2 days per day 20:20:53 gammafunk: funny sexual connotations? (It doesn't have in German.) 20:21:02 yeah 20:21:36 wheals: yes, awesome 20:21:38 german is such a boring language, i bet they don't even have a word for innuendo 20:22:08 wheals: we don't even have regular sex, let alone words to describe it... Germans get cloned 20:22:24 no wonder Freud was so messed up 20:22:50 he's an Austrian, so only a honorary German at best 20:23:11 next you'll tell me bhaak isn't german!!!1! 20:23:30 I guess that makes Sigmund our one and only Austrian unique! 20:24:05 well, edmund would have to be too 20:25:17 Fun fact: if you google "Sigmund Edmund", you get Crawl hits right on page one 20:26:16 you do, dpeg, because google knows you like crawl. i don't 20:26:27 should stop using google 20:26:48 i get it on page 2 20:30:01 duckduckgo does not at all -- never trust a google 20:30:16 -!- MgDark has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31:16 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 20:42:23 -!- MarginalMagus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:43:56 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:44:24 amalloy: wow, you don't like crawl? Have we made a mistake in giving you commit access?! 20:44:46 otoh maybe someone who hates the game is just the kind of developer we need 20:44:50 learn add amalloy 20:44:59 I am pretty sure that amalloy does all his crawl googling in private mode. 20:45:35 we need to start adding "i love crawl" as a phrase with every google search we make 20:45:50 do you like air, gammafunk? to me, crawl is like air. without it, i would die 20:46:02 air magic?! worst school!!! 20:46:18 gammafunk: what? Sif would like to have a word with you! 20:46:50 dpeg: cast tornado and harm my precious X?! Never! 20:47:43 !learn add amalloy crawl is like air. without it, i would die 20:47:44 amalloy[4/4]: crawl is like air. without it, i would die 20:47:45 !cbl gammafunk 20:48:29 !tornado dpeg 20:48:30 gammafunk gestures wildly while chanting. A great vortex of air appears and lifts gammafunk up! dpeg is engulfed in raging winds. 20:48:36 !shatter gammafunk 20:48:36 Grunt casts a spell. ##crawl-dev rumbles around Grunt! gammafunk shudders from the earth-shattering force. 20:48:52 !singularity Grunt 20:48:52 gammafunk gestures wildly while chanting. Space collapses on itself with a satisfying crunch. The singularity violently warps Grunt! 20:48:59 !xxx gammafunk 20:49:00 Grunt casts a spell. 5 tentacled monstrosities appear! The tentacled monstrosity tentacle-slaps gammafunk! x5 20:49:28 !blamen 3 $(!dragonscall Grunt) 20:49:28 gggggggggggggggggggggggggggaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaammmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaafffffffffffffffffffffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk cccccccccccccccccccccccccccaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllsssssssssssssssssssssssssss oooooooooooooooo... 20:49:48 oops 20:50:12 might take a while til they're around 20:50:20 -!- Mekanik has quit [Client Quit] 20:50:46 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:51:37 !dragonscall gammafunk 20:51:38 Grunt calls out to the draconic realm, and the dragon horde roars back! The golden dragon tramples gammafunk!!! x3 20:51:44 !haunt gammafunk 20:51:45 Grunt gestures at gammafunk while chanting. Insubstantial figures form in the air. The freezing wraith hits gammafunk! x3 The wraith hits gammafunk! x4 20:57:40 %git faith_and_reason 20:57:40 07Grunt02 * 0.16-a0-2897-gfc93421: Unrand: the tinker's ring and the talisman of the Evangelist. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 3 files, 35+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fc934210ccff 20:57:48 forgot about that one 20:58:29 hee hee hee 20:58:35 that was the initial work that led directly into Pakellas 20:59:22 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:59:46 still want the branch around? 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:05 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:01:16 I easily know how to create one or the other of those if I'm so inclined 21:01:30 besides which if I do ever do something with the invo enhancer effect it's more likely to be a hat 21:02:00 shrug?? 21:02:00 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:02:09 !shrug 21:02:09 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:02:23 !blame2 $(!shrug) 21:02:23 ¯¯¯\\\___(((ツツツ)))___///¯¯¯ 21:02:33 !recur !blame2 2 !shrug 21:02:33 !!!!!!!!!ssssssssshhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuggggggggg 21:02:38 !recur !blame2 2 $(!shrug) 21:02:39 ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\\\\\\_________(((((((((ツツツツツツツツツ)))))))))_________/////////¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯ 21:02:55 !blamen 4 $(!shrug) 21:02:56 ¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\_________________________________________________________________________________(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((ツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツツム21:02:59 yeah 21:03:09 -!- LordSloth has quit [Client Quit] 21:13:43 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:56 wheals: I'm not German 21:14:46 wheals: hard to believe with my obvious lack of humor but I can't claim to be what I ain't 21:17:36 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:19:02 Please, tell us you're at least *some* country stereotypically lacking in humor! 21:19:08 *from some 21:20:58 gammafunk: don't falter, he is 21:22:11 phew! 21:22:16 gammafunk is from the US, isn't he? so no point in telling him, he would confuse it anyway with a country full of blonde scandinavians 21:22:58 Switzerland is next to Norway...right? 21:23:09 http://satwcomic.com/still-a-long-way 21:24:17 what's the best thing about living in norway? 21:24:27 dangit i think i messed up the joke already 21:24:33 lmao 21:24:42 rip 21:24:58 Americans can't even get jokes about Nordic countries right 21:25:26 i was supposed to say switzerland but then i was reading gammafunk's question and he messed me up 21:25:38 !blame2 $nick 21:25:38 gggaaammmmmmaaafffuuunnnkkk 21:25:54 anyway the punchline is "well, the flag's a big plus" 21:26:10 hope you all enjoyed this installment of International Jokes Told Badly 21:26:19 that's confusing, it's supposed to be neutral 21:26:29 don't be so negative 21:26:51 You guys keep multiplying your aggression... 21:27:05 no no, you're confusing us again. negative is Austria 21:27:35 no! that's on the other side of the world, by new zealand! 21:37:13 i think your knowledge of switzerland is full of holes 21:40:01 !lg * recent depths-encompass s=kmap% 21:40:02 428 games for * (recent depths-encompass): 79x hangedman_pleasuredromes (18.46%), 47x grunt_runaround (10.98%), 45x hangedman_slaughterboxes (10.51%), 40x grunt_runaround; grunt_runaround_loot (9.35%), 37x grunt_profane_halls (8.64%), 35x box_level_dp (8.18%), 27x hangedman_spin_cycle (6.31%), 21x radiant_caverns_b_rkd (4.91%), 20x hangedman_crystal_crosses_colossus (4.67%), 18x radiant_caverns_a_... 21:40:28 .primary-vaults recent 21:41:07 .depths-primary recent 21:41:08 696 games for * (br=depths lvl>1 lvl<5 kmap!~entry kmap!~uniq !depths-encompass kmap!= recent): 29x grunt_twisty_corner, 28x grunt_bent_corner, 23x hangedman_box_tower, 23x minmay_central_circle, 18x hangedman_arch_fort, 17x minmay_octagon_city, 15x grunt_x_marks_the_spot, 12x grunt_house_of_mirrors, 12x gammafunk_depths_water_palace, 12x evilmike_negative_zone, 11x minmay_crescents, 11x grunt_arc... 21:42:42 !blame3 Grunt 21:42:43 Gruuuuunt 21:43:14 sorry gammafunk but you just don't measure up 21:43:26 hrm? no its rank has only been improving 21:43:34 you need more of them though! 21:43:36 not sure what all it will overtake 21:43:53 when great idea occurs to me I'll make another 21:43:57 there are a lot of vaults already! 21:48:21 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:53:56 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 21:56:14 well, it does seem that the way I'm using the irc loop is what's causing all the cpu usage 21:56:36 I profiled beem but I couldn't really see this from the output 21:57:16 I guess the overhead was all in the fact that it was scheduling this task that just kept completing very fast, and the time wasn't spent in the irc handler itself so much 21:58:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:36 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:49 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:05:03 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:16:47 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:24:51 -!- Shados has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:37:32 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:40:58 how can i force a vault to place on coc:7? i can add it with &L, but i want to test it in the normal level-gen flow. adding PLACE: Coc:7 doesn't seem to do it 22:41:31 WEIGHT:10000 22:41:42 or some such 22:42:44 that also doesn't seem to work. maybe the encompass vaults down there are leaving no room for it? 22:43:04 WEIGHT: 0 the other vaults? 22:43:25 er wait 22:43:30 possibly. there's a discussion in syntax.txt plus you can build with debugging to see the vault placement decisions 22:43:44 amalloy: is your vault intended to be an ending? 22:43:47 (I think there's a discussion in there) 22:44:37 Grunt: no, i'm testing some code related to vault stair fixup in branch ends 22:44:44 hm 22:45:10 like escape hatches down should be replaced with a hatch up, unless they're in hell in which case it should be a vestibule gate 22:45:22 you're going to have a very hard time placing something on :7 that isn't an ending; there are checks in place that prevent it from working without the rune being present (and possibly the rune guardian, but I think it's just the rune) 22:45:31 oh. i can just put the rune in 22:45:37 you'll also need to disable the other endings 22:45:44 sure 22:46:43 though I'm kind of confused as to what you would be checking outside the context of an ending vault 22:47:00 if you want to find something in the Hells that fits that criterion, use Dis:7 22:47:08 where about half the time a third of the level is a normal layout 22:48:07 okay 22:48:47 (you can disable the Dis:7 encompasses to expedite this) 22:52:07 -!- bleak has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 22:52:09 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52:12 Grunt: thanks, that's much easier 22:52:29 this escape hatch down turned into a vestibule exit, as intended 22:58:46 -!- MgDark_ has quit [Client Quit] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:16 -!- xtwv has quit [Quit: c] 23:00:44 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 23:02:15 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:08:28 New branch created: pull/206 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/206 23:08:28 03amalloy02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/206 * 0.18-a0-988-gbc27421: Make sure vault-produced escape hatches aren't erased 10(6 minutes ago, 3 files, 88+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bc27421f5849 23:09:48 seems like auto branch = makes an unnecessary copy? 23:10:16 oh, probably. i bet i want auto& branch 23:10:31 amalloy: if we're trying to place an escape hatch down on a branch end, that is a bug in the vault 23:10:53 if this is worrying you, please log somewhere that the vault is trying to do this so that we can fix it :) 23:11:10 Grunt: i don't totally agree. a vault can reasonably be suitable for placement in either a branch end or not a branch end 23:11:24 currently such vaults check where they are 23:11:27 there are plenty of vaults with DEPTH: Lair:3-, for example 23:11:38 but doing the fixup code-side has its benefits as wel 23:11:39 well they shouldn't have to! 23:12:45 i've seen this occur numerous times, with a branch-end vault having > in it leading to an incorrect dungeon built, or a < on a D:1 vault getting erased 23:12:49 -!- Taq has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:13:01 if the only answer is "vaults should be more careful", it will continue to happen 23:13:21 whereas i think i have an automated solution that will make it never happen 23:15:53 (and if i'm wrong and the automated solution doesn't work every time, i'd rather fix the automated solution than continue making vault designers be careful about this) 23:15:55 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 23:16:17 woah 23:16:20 !vault first_bread 23:16:20 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/builder/food.des#l23 23:16:47 for some reason I'd thought it was just removed, but it was just the guaranteed placement that was 23:17:00 but the comment wasn't! 23:17:37 isn't 10000 a guarantee? 23:17:52 !gitgrep 1 first_bread 23:17:52 %git HEAD^{/first_bread} 23:17:52 Could not find commit HEAD^{/first_bread} (git returned 128) 23:18:05 %git :/first_bread 23:18:06 07gammafunk02 * 0.15-a0-1214-g95f614f3: Remove the early bread and meat ration vaults 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 21-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/95f614f3a4a1 23:18:24 #git :/shop 23:18:47 %git :/shop 23:18:47 07wheals02 * 0.18-a0-978-g56fd920: Revert "Revert shop menu changes" 10(3 days ago, 13 files, 860+ 1513-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/56fd9201b1db 23:18:50 you mean? 23:18:51 oops 23:18:54 yes 23:19:01 oh speaking of first bread, there's some sort of rule guaranteed that you get a moderate-size pile of food early on, right? what are the details of that rule? 23:19:12 is the shopmenu test experimental needed anymore? 23:19:17 it got added back, I guess? 23:19:20 first_bread 23:19:32 !lg . sp-- 23:19:33 1. johnstein the Ducker (L1 SpAK of Lugonu), slain by a sixfirhy on Abyss:3 on 2015-11-23 07:23:01, with 0 points after 155 turns and 0:01:30. 23:19:58 !lg . sp-- x=explbr 23:19:58 1. [explbr=abyssrun] johnstein the Ducker (L1 SpAK of Lugonu), slain by a sixfirhy on Abyss:3 on 2015-11-23 07:23:01, with 0 points after 155 turns and 0:01:30. 23:20:04 ah ok 23:20:04 johnstein: no, it's in trunk now 23:20:13 wheals: ty I'll remove this weekend 23:20:20 oh my commit was probably in chunkless, wasn't it 23:20:23 thanks for putting it up, by the way 23:21:19 turns out I was living in a fantasy world where chunkless was merged 23:21:41 can i have a beta invite, gammafunk? 23:21:51 i think arrhythmia is like that but for food removal 23:22:02 !lg amalloy su god=sif_muna won 23:22:03 No games for amalloy (su god=sif_muna won). 23:22:06 amalloy: no 23:22:14 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 23:22:18 !lg gammafunk su sif won 23:22:19 !won . sif 23:22:19 No games for gammafunk (su sif won). 23:22:20 amalloy (sif) has won once in 17 games (5.88%): 1xTeCj 23:22:24 gammafunk: ! 23:22:30 don't try that! 23:22:45 consider 23:22:47 !lg . musu 23:22:48 11. gammafunk the Convoker (L19 MuSu of Sif Muna), slain by a bennu on Tomb:3 (tomb_3) on 2016-01-02 03:05:55, with 297664 points after 28695 turns and 7:33:08. 23:22:49 that's a win 23:22:55 you need to update your won kw 23:22:58 lol owned 23:23:18 %git 11535424 23:23:18 07kilobyte02 * 0.10-a0-922-g1153542: Disable the Hive, guarantee some very basic food supply. 10(4 years, 3 months ago, 2 files, 48+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1153542442c1 23:23:29 * wheals buzzes angrily! 23:23:40 yeah first_bread isn't really needed I think 23:23:49 so long ago 23:24:08 gammafunk: imagine how happy the tavern antibread crowd would be? 23:24:08 If we have a dcss halloween party dpeg has to dress up as a queen bee 23:24:28 dpeg is very obviously a king bee. 23:24:33 I'll allow that 23:24:48 PleasingFungus: that's a good troll actually 23:24:51 i'm a bit sympathetic to the idea that a death of finding no food is no fun, and we can prevent it 23:24:52 but 23:24:57 in practice, it doesn't happen 23:25:08 wheals: yeah, it's more of a challenge conduct 23:25:14 "die of starvation by d:5" 23:25:23 !lg * ktyp~~starv recent s=place 23:25:24 1942 games for * (ktyp~~starv recent): 310x D:1, 294x D:2, 265x D:3, 210x D:7, 167x D:4, 143x D:8, 102x D:5, 87x D:6, 59x D:9, 56x D:10, 31x Lab, 17x Zot:1, 16x Zot:2, 16x Zot:4, 15x D:11, 15x Zot:3, 13x Sewer, 11x Lair:2, 9x Temple, 7x Lair:1, 6x Abyss:1, 6x Lair:4, 6x D:12, 6x Ossuary, 6x D:13, 6x Lair:3, 5x Bailey, 5x Zot:5, 4x Lair:8, 4x Orc:3, 3x D:14, 3x Abyss:2, 3x Lair:5, 2x Vaults:2, 2x L... 23:25:46 "no using hungry costs, spending more than 1.5k turns per level, repeated zerking, ..." 23:25:54 !lg * recent d lvl<=5 / ktyp~~starv 23:25:54 it could be a tourney banner 23:26:05 gammafunk: bad_ideas 23:26:11 1138/772950 games for * (recent d lvl<=5): N=1138/772950 (0.15%) 23:26:21 PleasingFungus: for the cyc branch tournament! 23:26:24 mm 23:26:30 we have to have a cyct when we release that, ofc 23:26:31 pizza tornado tournament 23:26:49 note that cyc is similar to cyclone which is similar to tornado... 23:26:51 you have to avoid being hit by pizza ghosts, which make you less hungry 23:28:30 I play DE speedruns that use channel like thousands of times per game, and they usually make it to lair with enough food to not starve until the time I'd get necromutation 23:28:42 nothing to say of somehow starving in early game 23:28:42 not sure what the pizza tornado equivalent to death cobs are 23:28:59 wheals: ghost peppers 23:29:06 ghost chiles? 23:29:30 although I've starved as a mibe now thanks to new hungry ghosts 23:29:36 !lg . starve 23:29:37 4. gammafunk the Axe Maniac (L24 HOGl of Trog), starved to death on Zot:3 on 2015-11-22 06:09:57, with 487702 points after 51418 turns and 2:27:26. 23:29:40 hrm 23:29:41 .cobbed gammafunk 23:29:42 No keyword 'gammafunk' 23:29:46 .cobbed @gammafunk 23:29:47 1. gammafunk the Axe Maniac (L24 HOGl of Trog), starved to death on Zot:3 on 2015-11-22 06:09:57, with 487702 points after 51418 turns and 2:27:26. 23:29:47 that was just a suicide 23:29:56 .cobbed @devteamnp s=name 23:29:57 One game for * (hungrycobs place=zot|crypt ((ktype=starvation || ikiller=death_cob)) @devteamnp): gammafunk 23:30:00 but I've actually quit when I'd have died to hungry ghosts 23:30:01 classy 23:30:12 since going to starving means zerk ends 23:30:15 which I had not realized 23:30:27 so they can basically unzerk you 23:30:49 Grunt: that was a gift to Lasty, since I didn't win that game in anywhere close to 1.5hrs 23:31:06 my first realtime run was a miserable failure 23:31:26 hrm 23:31:34 !lg !bot won min=dur 23:31:37 37503. simm the Executioner (L24 MiBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-29 19:05:06, with 1975880 points after 47808 turns and 0:48:10. 23:31:43 !lg * won min=dur 23:31:44 37573. tstbtto the Conqueror (L27 HOBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-03-01 00:05:21, with 1839953 points after 60099 turns and 0:20:31. 23:31:55 not bad turncount either 23:32:05 wow, only maybe 5-6k more turns 23:32:29 and yet over an hour less 23:32:32 &rc tstbtto 23:32:34 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-0.17/tstbtto.rc 23:32:51 good 23:33:07 when can we expect to see crwal bots passing the turing test 23:33:27 like I said, my dream for streaming crawl is to take gw 23:33:28 for a while we were wondering if autodefe was a bot 23:33:34 and feed it in the state of my current game 23:33:35 !lg autodefe 23:33:36 1. autodefe the Archmage (L27 DEFE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-02-16 05:16:53, with 1400930 points after 98094 turns and 5:45:46. 23:33:50 so we can see WWGWD, What Would gw Do? 23:34:02 gw-tactics activated? 23:34:12 it can play most chars now, right? 23:34:19 well, "play", but it can act at least 23:34:34 I bet sometimes it'd have a better move than I would 23:34:38 you need to teach it pakellas! 23:34:45 yes I do 23:34:47 well 23:34:54 the major hurdle there is: rod use 23:34:56 !lm qw uniq=the_royal_jelly 23:34:59 5. [2015-11-17 04:37:11] qw the Tortoise (L24 GrBe of Trog) killed the royal jelly on turn 49989. (Slime:6) 23:35:03 I think I can finesse that wrt ranged weapons 23:35:11 other than that I already have a recharging framework in place 23:35:12 !lg qw won x=urune 23:35:13 18. [urune=3] qw the Acrobat (L27 NaBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-11-30 03:27:44, with 1781275 points after 65246 turns and 1:04:23. 23:35:15 and I can put together some surge logic 23:35:25 !hs gw 23:35:26 11005. gw the Executioner (L19 DDGl of Yredelemnul), slain by an ice dragon on Depths:1 on 2015-03-21 23:18:05, with 283392 points after 41524 turns and 1:33:57. 23:35:34 !lm qw uniq=the_royal_jelly x=gid 23:35:35 5. [2015-11-17 04:37:11] [game_key=qw:cszo:20151017034845S] qw the Tortoise (L24 GrBe of Trog) killed the royal jelly on turn 49989. (Slime:6) 23:35:41 -!- } has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:35:45 hm i guess that was helped by meleebug 23:35:49 !hs gw !meleebug 23:35:50 9609. gw the Bludgeoner (L17 DDFi of Makhleb), blasted by Aizul (bolt of poison) on Snake:4 on 2015-03-28 05:32:20, with 185351 points after 40727 turns and 1:15:49. 23:35:50 !hs gw !meleebug 23:35:51 9609. gw the Bludgeoner (L17 DDFi of Makhleb), blasted by Aizul (bolt of poison) on Snake:4 on 2015-03-28 05:32:20, with 185351 points after 40727 turns and 1:15:49. 23:35:56 !lg * gid=qw:cszo:20151017034845S 23:35:57 1. qw the Acrobat (L27 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2015-11-17 04:58:07, with 3427591 points after 63901 turns and 1:09:21. 23:36:01 surprised not in recent t 23:36:19 !hs qw 23:36:20 1886. qw the Acrobat (L27 GrBe of Trog), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2015-11-17 04:58:07, with 3427591 points after 63901 turns and 1:09:21. 23:36:24 welp 23:36:46 15-rune qw when 23:37:07 heh, teach it to abandon trog for tso 23:37:17 probably not all that hard 23:37:17 the major hurdle for qw-15rune would be 23:37:18 I think we should strive for changes that make the game harder for bots, but don't influence (naive) players much. 23:37:19 just tele 23:37:19 tomb 23:37:46 yeah, but DD helps that a lot 23:37:52 tbh I think it can stair dance it 23:38:06 not really what I had in mind: 23:38:11 does anyone agree? 23:38:13 how does qw handle the stair ordering in tomb 23:38:14 ? 23:38:38 dpeg: as a bot author, I cannot give an unbiased response :) 23:38:54 crawl is allegedly a game of skill 23:39:08 I'm not sure how we can achieve making the game harder for bots, but not for players 23:39:29 i don't see making it harder for bots as a useful goal 23:39:46 hm, I am actually really serious, perhaps I should write something about this 23:40:11 bots can now, rarely, win when choosing easy characters. if they start winning routinely or with difficult characters it might be fun for the bot owners if we made it harder 23:40:27 best players complain about Crawl is so easy when you play mechanical (always luring etc.), this is exactly where bots excel 23:40:41 dpeg: but current bots *don't* have an easy time 23:40:45 amalloy: I don't want to make a game that's fun for bots, but for humans 23:40:49 well more to the point 23:40:51 * dpeg secretly is a human 23:40:57 we don't care because it's easy for bots 23:41:02 !learn dpeg * dpeg secretly is a human 23:41:03 I don't know about !learn dpeg. 23:41:07 !learn add dpeg * dpeg secretly is a human 23:41:08 dpeg[17/17]: * dpeg secretly is a human 23:41:09 we care because it's easy for humans if they play 'mechanically' 23:41:33 gammafunk: yes, and bot play sort of highlights the major deficits in this direction, I'd say 23:41:43 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 23:41:50 dpeg: it's fine to not have "fun for bots as a goal", but i think using "hard for bots" as a proxy goal for "fun for humans" is folly 23:41:51 well I'd not call this or frame it as "make the game harder for bots" 23:42:04 right 23:42:11 you guys are coders, I need to find a better angle 23:42:22 amalloy: I didn't say or imply that 23:42:33 I think if you describe it in terms of "making tedious play not useful" 23:42:36 you have the right idea 23:42:53 bringing it bots is basically a distraction imo 23:43:01 gammafunk: yes, that is what I mean. And I believe we can use bot success as a yardstick how well we achieve that goal. 23:43:14 well no, I don't think we should do that 23:43:14 (Currently, not very, I am afraid: playing non-tediously is a conduct.) 23:43:46 !won @bots 23:43:47 No games for @bots. 23:43:54 !won bots recent 23:43:55 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has joined ##crawl-dev 23:43:55 No games for bots (recent). 23:43:57 !won bot recent 23:43:58 bot (recent) has won 48 times in 50361 games (0.10%): 16xGrBe 8xMiBe 7xDDBe 6xNaBe 5xDDGl 4xHOBe 1xDEIE 1xMiFi 23:44:04 -!- somebody has quit [] 23:44:06 bots are very very good at chess, so chess is tedious, etc 23:44:06 maybe the bots aren't as good as I expect them to be 23:44:14 whoa 23:44:14 !lg bot won deie 23:44:15 1. drasked the Englaciator (L27 DEIE of Vehumet), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-05-13 23:39:29, with 9489180 points after 184041 turns and 1d+7:57:01. 23:44:23 gammafunk: isn't it, though...? 23:44:25 :P 23:44:25 !log drasked deie won 23:44:26 1. drasked, XL27 DEIE, T:184041: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/drasked/morgue-drasked-20150513-233929.txt 23:44:26 gammafunk: yes, (international) Chess is indeed problematic 23:44:39 unrelated question: should cmut be cheaper, now that it's so much more common? 23:44:43 i don't think this is a bot. 23:44:44 PleasingFungus: it isn't 23:44:46 it has design drawbacks I can give impromptu talks about 23:44:55 it's a well-designed game, that humans enjoy playing 23:45:11 there are some humans who think that because a computer is good at it chess becomes boring 23:45:15 i disagree with them, personally 23:45:24 &rc drasked 23:45:25 http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.16/drasked.rc 23:45:31 !hs jw 23:45:32 1150. jw the Bludgeoner (L12 MiBe of Trog), slain by a wolf spider (kmap: spider_nest_entry_funnel_web) on Lair:4 on 2014-09-06 19:28:16, with 25272 points after 21131 turns and 0:12:40. 23:45:37 right, I think it's basically missing the point of a game if you feel how bots perform at it dictates fun 23:45:37 !hs gw 23:45:38 !nick bot 23:45:38 Mapping bot => autorobin xw auto7hm rw qw ow qwrobin gw notqw jw parabodrick hyperqwbe cashybrid tstbtto parabolic oppbolic ew rushxxi gaubot cojitobot paulcdejean otabotab nakatomy drasked testingqw beemell beem 23:45:39 11005. gw the Executioner (L19 DDGl of Yredelemnul), slain by an ice dragon on Depths:1 on 2015-03-21 23:18:05, with 283392 points after 41524 turns and 1:33:57. 23:45:54 hm, I never know if you guys intentionally misunderstand me or not 23:45:54 &rc jw 23:45:56 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.17/jw.rc 23:45:56 gammafunk: for adversarial games it does matter a little 23:46:10 oh sure, I'm not saying that isn't a problem. thankfully crawl is single player 23:46:13 gammafunk: I never said that about dictating 23:46:19 wheals: jw = gw that only plays OpBe (with some rather unremarkable tweaks so far) 23:46:25 gammafunk: oh, I thought you were talking about cmut 23:46:29 hm 23:46:32 I never talk about cmut 23:46:37 !lg * ikiller~vehumet 23:46:38 the first rule of cmut club 23:46:38 Broken query near '~vehumet' 23:46:41 !lg * ikiller~~vehumet 23:46:42 91. unbrainwashed the Ducker (L9 MiMo of Okawaru), incinerated by the wrath of Vehumet (sticky flame) on D:8 on 2016-01-01 18:57:11, with 3823 points after 10999 turns and 2:10:33. 23:46:48 huh, recent 23:47:26 dpeg: Yeah I just don't see the need or bringing in bots; it feels like some academic exercise that's inferior to doing the very human and fun thing of just sitting down and thinking "is this aspect of the game fun" 23:47:27 hm. let's see how exciting this becomes 23:48:12 I feel people are really reluctant to even do that as much as they could, and then trying to bring in what bots do for some reason will only muddy waters; just sit down and think about the game's design! 23:48:16 23:49:03 gammafunk: Chess: 1. death by draw (Lasker), opening and endgame libraries covering more than (the interesting midgame), White advantage, no fun to play against stronger/weaker opponent 23:49:23 * dpeg was in a Chess club for several years, dropping the game because of this 23:49:32 further, bot writers are people too, who have fun with crawl by writing bots. obviously our primary goal is for players to have fun, but if we can also make it fun for bot writers, i think that's a better secondary goal than "hard for bots" 23:49:33 forgot the numbers :( 23:49:49 amalloy: *allegedly* people 23:49:53 you never know with Grunt 23:49:55 if the game gets way too easy for bots, then making it hard for bots will make it more fun for bot writers 23:50:00 but right now i don't think it's in that place 23:50:41 i think the idea of "overly mechanical and repetitive" being something easy for bots and hard/annoying for humans is a good point 23:50:58 but those two won't coincide for all design questions 23:51:01 gammafunk: compare with Japanese and Chinese Chess to see how these design problems of (international) Chess can be addressed (I have no idea if intentionally or not) 23:51:09 let's just turn off all our computers, electronics, appliances etc and go live by our wits in the woods, who's with me? 23:51:30 gammafunk: keep your sarcasm 23:51:39 !learn add gw bot writers are people too amalloy: *allegedly* people you never know with Grunt 23:51:40 gw[10/10]: bot writers are people too amalloy: *allegedly* people you never know with Grunt 23:52:12 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 23:52:16 i hear he even wrote a nethack variant, and those people hardly count as people@ 23:52:57 ??grunthack[3 23:52:58 grunthack[3/3]: wheals: and this is why you don't play GruntHack <_< 23:53:06 dpeg: I think what you're describing for crawl (using bot results to determine changes in the game) would be a largely academic exercise and not a good one in a practical sense 23:53:10 i wonder if any of the code made its way int 3.6 23:53:16 s/int/into 23:53:41 mostly since dcss is so very different than a 2p game between human opponents with a relatively equal playing field (assuming similar skill) 23:54:04 gammafunk: I said a bit more and meant something else, but I won't bother to explain. wheals is right, and I'll try to present specific changes addressing "overly mechanical and repetitive" actions 23:54:07 I mean, certainly bots can kind bugs (and they have)! 23:54:31 we should have bot regression tests 23:54:38 make bots do formerly buggy things 23:54:42 yeah, obviously if you can show that a change reduces tedium, you'll have few arguments regardless of how it effects bots! 23:54:46 Dixlet: a version of qw is in the source tree for exactly this purpose 23:54:47 s/!/:)/ 23:54:47 gammafunk: I've put my computer in the garbage and whittled a new one from ivory 23:54:52 nice 23:54:53 ivory! 23:54:58 you monster 23:55:10 dire computer 23:55:19 helleputer 23:55:41 (actually, I am building my own computer, but that's another story) 23:56:00 gammafunk: nobody can prove that something reduces tedium, the forum/devblog comments are full of people wanting itemdest back 23:56:23 dpeg: we like to assume without proof, in effect we make our own axioms 23:56:32 dpeg: try throwing a spellbook at them and then pray to trog 23:56:52 dpeg: but bots results won't convince said people anyhow :) 23:57:28 "So what if a bot can scum decks to win, just give me my infinite Experience cards!!!" 23:57:50 !learn add devteam we make our own axioms 23:57:51 devteam[28/28]: we make our own axioms 23:57:55 Crawl's done a lot on the UI side in the recent versions, and it plays much better... did we ever seriously think about luring? This seems to be a major offender (I didn't, should start!) 23:57:57 just replace crawl with two buttons: wait and tab 23:58:31 Daviar (L15 TrBe) ASSERT(in_bounds(where)) in 'shout.cc' at line 763 failed. (where = (0,0)) (Orc:1) 23:58:31 (to me, weightless, food harmonisation, itemdest are all UI changes :) 23:58:42 luring, also killholes 23:58:48 .awoken 23:58:49 4. Snord the Impregnable (L20 MiFi of Makhleb), slain by an earth elemental (summoned by a deep elf elementalist) on Elf:3 on 2015-12-29 03:10:19, with 335846 points after 57907 turns and 3:37:49. 23:58:55 veh wrath status: 1 hp 23:59:04 the what now 23:59:10 gammafunk: well, let's see how elves kill killholes 23:59:18 !lm * god.abandon=vehumet 23:59:19 1294. [2016-01-03 04:48:03] PleasingFungus the Spear-Bearer (L10 FoWn) abandoned Vehumet on turn 7854. (Temple) 23:59:33 I'll be very interested to see how elves handle in t 23:59:34 !lm . god.abandon=vehumet 23:59:35 1. [2015-10-29 06:27:54] amalloy the Grappler (L13 TrEn) abandoned Vehumet on turn 19892. (D:7) 23:59:46 I'm a big fan of ecumenical altars now 23:59:46 handle in t? 23:59:54 PleasingFungus: yes, they rock 23:59:58 gammafunk: in t -> during the next tournament