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(e.g. within +-33% of n 95% of the time, and +-50% of n 100% of the time) 12:04:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:04:56 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:40 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-953-g20bfd95 (34) 12:06:45 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06:49 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 12:07:24 PleasingFungus: and normal-ish otherwise? 12:07:35 sure. 12:08:03 give me a sec, i know this :/ 12:10:48 PleasingFungus: well the first thing that comes to mind is a logistic function 12:11:11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logistic_function 12:11:33 looking 12:12:13 9 files changed, 677 insertions(+), 1046 deletions(-) 12:12:14 ah 12:12:26 i.e. if you generate a (signed) random number and then take f(x) of that 12:12:35 this doesn't actually reach the endpoints, but a close enough approximatino might be ok? 12:12:36 *approximation 12:12:43 you get a number between 0 and 1 with a normal-ish distribution 12:12:50 PleasingFungus: right 12:12:55 hm 12:13:15 do we have any current way to generate a normal-ish distribution 12:13:21 guessing 'yes' 12:13:23 well, dice 12:13:54 binomial 12:14:33 well yeah, but they're close 12:14:38 sure 12:14:56 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:16:22 I'm trying to avoid floats 12:17:49 if we take a binomial with p=0.5, can we calculate a number of trials such that the 95% threshold reaches some specific percent (our x)? what's the relationship there? 12:18:24 if trials=1, x=95%. trials=2, x=(95%)^2? is that right? 12:19:10 hmm, i feel like i taught my students this, hold on 12:19:26 how many math professors are on the devteam anyway 12:19:44 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:20:42 wheals: can we calculate some p such that, when choosing p members of the devteam, all are math professors 95% of the time? 12:20:49 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 12:21:48 maybe fuzz_value could work for what you want 12:22:02 oh, that does sound promising 12:22:04 with varying values of naverage 12:22:04 !source fuzz_value 12:22:05 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/random.cc#l330 12:22:26 PleasingFungus: seems to me you just need a binomial 12:22:41 gammafunk: that's what I was saying, but with what # of trials? 12:22:44 -!- ussdefiant_Lappy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:23:04 PleasingFungus: you just check pbinom in something like R 12:23:47 https://onlinecourses.science.psu.edu/stat500/node/31 12:25:05 gammafunk: I don't know how to do that thing. 12:25:05 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:25:06 PleasingFungus: what values would you like specifically 12:26:08 you'll probably add a scalar (a base value) to an appropriately chosen binomial 12:26:43 currently thinking x=20%, y=33%... making x roughly 60% of y 12:30:28 ontoclasm: what am I doing with this page? 12:31:40 the second thing on there (which they call the convservative method) 12:32:11 calculates (approximately) the number of trials you need to get a chosen confidence interval of E 12:32:20 -!- WorkSight has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:32:21 er, E is the error, so half the interval 12:32:54 this isn't what he wants though 12:32:57 he's given n 12:32:58 he needs p 12:33:14 oh, i thought it was the opposite, nevermind then 12:33:15 no 12:33:18 ontoclasm was right 12:33:20 oh? 12:33:31 the problem was that I chose the term 'n' at the start without knowing that had a defined meaning in context already 12:33:43 probably because I didn't know I was talking about binomials 12:33:56 well, hm 12:34:10 what are you given exactly? 12:34:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:34:49 I have a mean value (the thing I was calling n), a 95% confidence threshold, and a 100% outer bound. apologies for any imprecision in terminology. 12:35:06 I was going on the assumption that p would be 0.5 and I needed to derive the number of trials. (for a binomial.) 12:35:10 yeah for that, I think you simply use a binomial 12:35:32 and choose your "n" to be y% of mean 12:35:54 then you do binomial of that size such that the prob of it getting between 0 and x% of mean 12:35:59 is 0.95 12:36:14 then it will have 1.0 chance of rolling between 0 and y% chance of mean 12:36:23 and 0.95% chance of between 0 and x% 12:36:41 and you add said binomial to mean - y% * mean 12:37:03 giving you a value between mean +/- y% mean 12:37:10 does that sound right? 12:38:07 you would choose not p = 0.5, but p such that the chance of roll being between 0 and x% of mean is 0.95 12:38:23 and simply choose the size as y% of mean 12:38:25 oh wow 12:38:40 _There is an entrance to Ominguts's Weapon Shoppe here. 12:38:41 size meaning the number of trials in the binomial 12:38:56 Let's walk through this with some concrete numbers. Let's say the mean is 100, x is 20%, y is 33%. How do we follow your procedure? 12:41:22 is the mean changing? 12:42:08 I want to do this procedure with multiple mean values, yes. 12:42:15 I should reduce mystery 12:42:23 this is for replacing monster hp calculation 12:42:42 just slot an average hp into the monster spec 12:42:47 per a discussion in here a few weeks ago 12:43:07 yeah then it's not so simple 12:43:25 hm. 12:43:29 okay, back up, then. 12:43:30 the range is no problem, but that 0.95 is hard to get 12:43:31 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:44:25 hrm, wonder if I can still do a problem like this 12:45:15 is there a simpler way to get what I'm going for here? give average monster hp values, get results within y%, but clustering within a narrower band around the average. 12:45:23 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 12:45:36 which is to say, normal, I suppose. 12:46:16 sounds like maybe random2avg 12:47:17 with an appropriate number of rolls 12:47:26 um 12:47:29 i thought of a method while folding laundry 12:47:51 gammafunk: what value are you passing into random2avg for 'max'? 12:48:04 PleasingFungus: y% mean 12:48:06 I guess mean * (y% * 2) 12:48:16 yeah 12:48:26 y - y%mean + random2avg(y%mean, ) 12:48:28 something like that 12:48:35 sure 12:48:38 ontoclasm: ? 12:48:56 well, using random2avg is easier, so nm 12:49:03 rip 12:49:06 (mine was a for loop) 12:49:13 so is random2avg 12:49:15 :) 12:49:16 ontoclasm: that's what random2avg does anyhow 12:49:20 gammafunk: hi... 12:49:22 well, a much bigger for loop 12:49:23 and also random2! 12:49:23 hi 12:49:32 Bigger. Faster. Better 12:49:33 . 12:49:50 can we say anything about our confidence intervals for values of ? 12:50:15 yeah I think the distro of random2 avg is not too complicated 12:51:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:51:38 can someone look at my screen (dpeg on cszo)? 12:51:53 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 12:52:04 Do we really say "journeyman"? 12:52:05 boy, can we ever! 12:52:14 ??ghost titles 12:52:14 I don't have a page labeled ghost_titles in my learndb. 12:52:18 ??ghost words 12:52:18 ghost words[1/2]: pre-0.17 ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 average, 7-10 experienced, 11-15 powerful, 16-21 mighty, 22-25 great, 26 awesomely powerful, 27 legendary 12:52:24 heh, pre-0.17 12:52:35 I think journeyman was something someone added recently...? 12:52:43 it sounds strange to me 12:53:05 not to mention journeywoman and journeyperson 12:53:10 yeah, gender is unfortunate 12:53:32 is there a difference between "traveller" and "journeyman"? 12:53:44 they have no relation 12:54:10 it's a medieval guild thing - you start as an apprentice, then become a journeyman, and then eventually a master 12:54:11 ah, I see 12:54:11 iirc 12:54:16 yes, just looked it up 12:54:23 ??ghost words[2 12:54:24 ghost words[2/2]: new ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 adept, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 12:54:34 !learn swap ghost_words[1] ghost_words[2] 12:54:34 Swapped ghost_words[1] with ghost_words[2]. 12:54:35 ok, so it is intentional, thx! 12:54:42 well 12:54:49 gender thing is still unfortunate 12:54:51 nobody figured out a better one 12:55:31 rip 12:55:46 !learn e ghost_words[1 s/new/current 12:55:47 ghost words[1/2]: current ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 adept, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 12:55:53 !learn e ghost_words[1 s/current // 12:55:54 ghost words[1/2]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 adept, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 12:56:06 PleasingFungus: looks like the standard dev. of rolling 2d(n) is almost exactly 40% of n 12:56:24 so 95% of rolls would be within 80% of n 12:56:38 how did you derive that? 12:56:46 http://anydice.com/ 12:56:49 i tested it >.> 12:56:54 ah, thank goodness 12:56:59 I was trying to remember what this site was 12:57:05 the url 12:57:07 yes, it is an amzing site 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:01:58 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:05:33 why is making a gui so complicated 13:06:49 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:07:28 the world is spiteful toward gammafunks. 13:09:34 looks like 4 dice gets 95% of rolls within ~60% of n, which is what I wanted to begin with 13:09:36 I think 13:10:02 -!- falu has quit [Client Quit] 13:12:32 -!- minmay has joined ##crawl-dev 13:12:55 yeah seems you need something really simply; you can get the exact distro of a sum of m discrete uniforms but I think just using the die simulation is fine 13:13:02 *simple 13:13:11 simple is good. 13:13:18 but...what of greed... 13:13:23 that's good too! 13:13:33 next up, writing a script to digest mon-data.h and regurgitate the new version. 13:13:40 dang 13:16:35 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:21:20 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:36:39 hm 13:37:06 precision is low enough that this increases the average hp of some very early monsters - bats go from 3.5 to 4, rats from 2.5 to 3, etc 13:38:03 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:42:07 could increase precision by a factor of two, or ten. 13:42:28 ten probably makes more sense. do we need that much precision? 13:43:01 will the game be noticeably more difficult if rats have 0.5 more hp? 13:44:55 -!- HolyRage_ has quit [Quit: Rawr!] 13:45:41 my intuition is, 'no'. 13:53:23 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:54:16 PleasingFungus: well I think it'll have an effect 13:54:30 do you think it's worth increasing precision, then? 13:54:55 what's precision (the value) in this context, a variable used in the hp calculation? 13:55:11 representing "2.5 avg hp" as "25" rather than "3". 13:55:30 (and "144 avg hp" as "1440", etc) 13:55:52 I think it's probably good if you adhere to the existing values, since the intent isn't to change those; is there much of a problem with increasing the scale by 10? 13:56:13 Potential for bugs if someone uses them without scaling down by 10. 13:56:33 <|amethyst> could define a new type with some user-defined literal conversions 13:56:43 <|amethyst> does gcc 4.7 do those? probably not 13:56:57 I'm just going to do the factor of 10 thing. 13:58:25 <|amethyst> rename the field while you're at it 13:58:39 -!- Nyvrem has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:58:39 <|amethyst> that way you know you have to look at every single occurrence for the factor of 10 13:58:57 yes 13:59:01 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:59:08 that's my standard operating practice for refactoring :) 13:59:12 <|amethyst> :) 13:59:16 luv 2 compile 13:59:31 wow, these comments... 13:59:35 // max damage in a turn is total of these four? 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:22 <|amethyst> :%s@//.*\?@// XXX: author had no idea what was going on@ 14:00:38 <|amethyst> err 14:00:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:00:50 <|amethyst> I should be nice and make that //.*\?$ 14:00:58 there's also a note that "this [xp calculation equation] may make draining attacks less desirable..." 14:01:01 <|amethyst> err, and no backslash of course 14:01:21 and... we still have corpse_thingy? I honestly thought we renamed that 14:03:02 <|amethyst> at least the function is mons_corpse_effect() and not mons_corpse_thingy() 14:03:03 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:03:10 fr 14:04:33 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:41 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 14:16:13 PleasingFungus: Grunt: tabstorm just went down stairs to A:4 and cleared a giant mass of fauns/satyrs on the grunt garden end, the rune in sight 14:16:24 after fighting the legions of c.....the rune...it was a mimic... 14:16:36 yes!!!!! 14:19:27 -!- cang has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:22:30 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:24:32 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 14:26:12 -!- pikaro has quit [Quit: Ex-Chat] 14:36:30 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:56 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:42:09 !lm tabstorm shoals:4 14:42:11 69. [2015-12-30 19:19:19] Tabstorm the Severer (L16 VSBe of Trog) found a barnacled rune of Zot on turn 8278. (Shoals:4) 14:42:16 @??blood saint 14:42:16 gelid blood saint (126) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 67-100 | AC/EV: 18/12 | Dam: 15 | natural, 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 02cold++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1367 | Sp: legendary destruction (3d22 / 9d15 / 3d20 / 3d34 / 3d25 / 3d27) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:42:23 @??monstrous blood saint 14:42:24 monstrous blood saint (126) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 141-156 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 15, 15, 15 | natural, 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1953 | Sp: legendary destruction (3d20 / 3d25 / 3d34 / 3d22 / 3d27 / 9d15) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 14:42:24 !lm tabstorm shoals:4 -tv:<4 14:42:25 69. Tabstorm, XL16 VSBe, T:8278 (milestone) requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 14:42:32 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:46 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:43:15 !send PleasingFungus blood saints for the blood god 14:43:16 Sending blood saints for the blood god to PleasingFungus. 14:43:23 mm 14:43:30 it's hard to find thematic space for new gods 14:43:48 current thought for helpal is some kind of god of occult demonic secrets, but that's edging in on makhleb, sif, and arguably ru at the same time 14:43:56 -!- Kolbur1 is now known as Kolbur 14:44:16 on the plus side, I had a dumb idea for a vaguely distinctive piety mechanic, so that's nice 14:44:16 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:48:03 (piety whenever you find anything magical - ego weapon/armour/ammo, scroll, potion, jewelery, evocable - so basically everything but mundane weapon/armour/ammo spam) 14:48:17 (and maybe bonus piety for artes because hey, artes) 14:48:55 (this is roughly equivalent to exploration or kill piety, ofc.) 14:53:30 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:42 -!- zxc has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:09:47 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:09:59 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14:25 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:14:26 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 15:17:40 -!- StarButterfly has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:19:24 Sacrificing artifacts. 15:20:10 sacrificing uniques 15:20:11 go away oldnem 15:20:14 we can all see you 15:20:31 PleasingFungus: how about, like, a cultist thing 15:20:46 you're a poor sap summoning evil demons 15:21:38 1,1 I like Oldnem more than newNem 15:21:40 <|amethyst> makhleb? 15:22:04 floatRand: milk is white and water is wet 15:22:52 Maybe it is because everything around me looked cleaner 15:23:33 |amethyst: that has more of a theme of actually getting power from the god, and being in charge of the demons 15:23:41 admittedly they're makhleb's servants, not yours 15:24:21 What wold be the gameplay alteration / conduct? 15:26:00 https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:brainstorm:god:propose:ally_god 15:26:07 makhleb is both vague and broad, so it's hard not to step on its turf 15:26:42 A JoJo god that grants you a stand 15:26:43 demons? destruction? blood? sacrifice? fire? hell, all of the above! 15:26:56 PleasingFungus: the ally it grants is always demonic? 15:27:03 helpal, I mean 15:27:45 -!- fdsa has quit [Client Quit] 15:28:04 that was my current thought. Nothing about theme is currently set in stone. 15:28:08 I guess very few things are set in stone. 15:28:26 well, gameplay-wise what kind of resists do you want your allies to have? 15:28:31 stone golems... 15:28:38 or rather, are the allies already defined 15:28:38 -!- molotove has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:28:48 I *think* my notes on resists are on that brainstorm page 15:28:59 " A few thoughts; rPois ~xl12, rF ~xl16, rC ~xl18, rElec ~xl22. " 15:29:32 also might be useful to give them sinv at some point, possibly depending on the type. flight I think can be a freebie from the start 15:30:02 yeah eventual sinv is probably good 15:31:03 hrm, as an aside 15:31:23 this god is prompting a lot for choices, I'm not sure that the 4* thing shouldn't just be a random assignment 15:31:37 oh shit, I forgot 15:31:40 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:31:47 I was going to drop the 6* thing entirely and possibly move the 4* one to 6* 15:31:49 I need to update this page. 15:32:11 Are you telling me you don't keep the plan meticulously updated?! 15:32:17 ..what kind of....!!! 15:32:24 I've been slacking 15:34:10 one thought about the theme: a god of Beasts 15:34:27 and these are like unicorn magic faerie beasts from beyond the moon 15:35:10 deng 15:35:19 Beasts more suggests specific monsters, and this is crafting a kind of unique monster, but a god that assembles new beastly creatures 15:35:20 I was vaguely thinking about something sort of along those lines 15:35:26 A DJ of Phat Beasts 15:35:36 something playing with the sort of weird flesh-sculpting stuff we have here and there, like cigotuvi-lab or mutant beasts 15:35:42 your thing is nicer 15:35:48 sure, that's good for an evil-themed god 15:35:59 I did want an evil god but that's not actually any kind of requirement. 15:36:18 You should read pubby's caveman god proposal 15:36:19 ...you just want a moon wizlab tie-in!!! 15:36:22 was pretty funny 15:36:23 I see how it is 15:36:24 link? 15:36:27 uh 15:37:56 PleasingFungus: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=10587&p=146128&hilit=piety#p146128 15:38:14 Hm, yeah. Sounds good to me. Getting theme down is important for conduct - but for the kind of gameplay it is going for, it might be hard to pinpoint no-nos. Finding magic tems / exploration for piety sounds good. I think some customization of the beast could come from sacrificing some artifacts ( not spamming so, but to sort of direct the abilities ) 15:38:16 lol 15:38:23 "Rogg takes stupid, barbaric monkeys and turns them into smart and talented adventurers. " 15:38:28 PleasingFungus: pubby was way ahead of you 15:38:37 based on fictional cavemen... 15:38:48 wow 15:38:52 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 15:39:04 this is a heck of a thing 15:39:13 ??animal hide 15:39:13 I don't have a page labeled animal_hide in my learndb. 15:39:15 ??hide 15:39:16 hide ~ hides[1/1]: Chance of a monster to leave a corpse is 1/2. Chance of a corpse to leave a hide is 2/3. 15:39:19 ... 15:39:20 ??robe 15:39:21 robe[1/2]: 2AC, 0ER. Robes have unique {archmagi} and {resistance} body armour egos. 15:39:51 I'm a little upset that there's no 15:39:59 either volcano or meteor 6* ability 15:40:38 -!- molotove has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:40:59 5* ability turns forest into veldt? 15:41:00 it should give you the sceptre of might at 6*! 15:41:41 wait, are people taking this seriously 15:41:53 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:42:22 i'm shocked you aren't giving this the repsect it deserves. shocked. 15:42:22 yeah, we decided you're dropping helpal and implementing this god 15:44:10 shit!!! 15:44:25 I added “unicorn magic faerie beasts from beyond the moon" to the ally god page. 15:44:46 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:31 gammafunk is just looking for more tie-ins to moon base isn't he 15:46:08 hm, can't find grunt's name suggestions 15:46:11 wheals: that's what I said!!! 15:46:48 PleasingFungus: mash helpal and ely together 15:46:57 ? 15:47:04 I hear new ely is good. 15:47:15 helypival 15:49:43 ahh 15:49:49 there are comments suggesting "hey, maybe we should use xp as a better approximation for monster difficulty than hp?" 15:50:02 which it is. 15:50:38 in the code or on tavern or wherever? 15:50:45 code 15:50:51 I'm putzing with monster hp code 15:53:34 My suggestions for the theme of this god and the imminent release of my new Moon Leathah (tm) fashion line is purely coincidental 15:56:31 from moon cows? 15:56:47 i guess moon cheese has to come from somewhere 15:57:25 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:38 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:38 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:58:46 helpal should be some sort of ancestral god 15:58:56 and the buddy is an ancestor showing up to help you 15:59:36 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-954-gf46c1db: Replace the shopping menu with a real Menu. 10(3 hours ago, 9 files, 675+ 1045-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f46c1db7774b 15:59:36 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-955-g171f012: Use the same shop menu in stash search (#932). 10(26 minutes ago, 6 files, 198+ 449-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/171f012cdc27 15:59:55 i wish i were out of Menu hell, but that's not even the end of my plans 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:58 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:01:10 the menu hell has not even begun...! 16:01:39 what does Hell's Kitchen offer today? 16:01:44 no wheals, you are the menus 16:02:03 ontoclasm: that is actually really creative, and I like it a lot. 16:02:06 hm. 16:02:14 extra funny for the undead. 16:02:20 somewhat confusing for vine stalkers and gargoyles. 16:02:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03:02 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:03:35 "It is I, thy ancestor, a perfectly normal piece of ivy! Let thy enemies tremble!" 16:03:49 <3 16:05:22 ??species 16:05:23 race list[1/1]: 0.17 races: Ce DD DE Dg Dr Ds Fe Fo Gh Gr Ha HE HO Hu Ko Mf Mi Mu Na Og Op Sp Te Tr Vp VS 16:05:38 PleasingFungus: will Dg get like Trog itself as an ally? 16:05:49 because that would rule 16:06:24 you beat me to it by seconds 16:06:28 50% chance 16:06:34 unfortunately, dg can't worship helpal 16:06:42 too overpowered... 16:06:52 we'll have to wait for the next epic bug 16:06:56 but go ahead and code that in 16:07:01 g*d willing. 16:07:09 garg;s ancestor is a pyramid/sphinx. vs's ancestor might be tarzan's vine :p 16:07:16 DD can get hill dwarves 16:07:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:07:42 only if HE can get grey elves 16:07:45 FR: phylogenetic tree for the five types of elves 16:07:57 oh, we're so stupid 16:08:00 VS get Ents 16:08:04 i assume Elf was the last common ancestor 16:08:07 !send gammafunk Elms 16:08:08 Sending Elms to gammafunk. 16:08:11 or elms 16:08:13 ??elm 16:08:14 I don't have a page labeled elm in my learndb. Did you mean: elf, ely, lm. 16:08:17 ??ent 16:08:17 I don't have a page labeled ent in my learndb. Did you mean: en, et, int, net. 16:08:22 learnd y 16:08:25 *learndb 16:08:37 learndb police got here already 16:08:51 noo 16:09:15 getting boots of assassin on KoAs acquirement -- such beauty 16:09:41 I imagine those boots being way to big for a kobold 16:10:01 but they're not very smart or fashion-savvy, so they don't care 16:14:19 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 16:14:35 Eh, boots of assassins are not that amazing if you are KoAs 16:14:40 But if you have Dark Maul... 16:15:38 @??titan 16:15:38 titan (06C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 20 | HP: 90-132 | AC/EV: 10/3 | Dam: 55 | 10doors, fighter, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(180), 11elec+++, 12drown | XP: 2581 | Sp: b.lightning (3d24), minor healing (2d10), airstrike (0-50) | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 16:15:41 * dpeg is a role playing KoAs. 16:18:02 roleplaying?? 16:18:02 an orc comes out of nowhere! i hate them because they burned my village down once i yell the name of trog and go into a berserk rage at the sight of the orc RARRGRAHA 16:18:44 @??torturous blood saint 16:18:45 torturous blood saint (126) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 61-88 | AC/EV: 5/13 08(spiny 5d4) | Dam: 15 | natural, 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, priest, evil, unholy | Res: 06magic(60), 13torm | Vul: 08holy++, 11silver | XP: 1293 | Sp: legendary destruction (3d34 / 3d25 / 3d20 / 3d22 / 3d27 / 9d15) [11!AM] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 16:19:09 this is how you do it! works best when throwing books into the fireplace throughout 16:19:10 @??titan zombie 16:19:10 titan zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 20 | HP: 155-192 | AC/EV: 8/0 | Dam: 44 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(26), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 843 | Sz: Giant | Int: brainless. 16:20:16 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24:29 -!- HolyRage has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:24:30 hm 16:24:42 -!- HolyRage_ is now known as HolyRage 16:25:11 -!- Cerpin has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:26:58 I'm doing classed demonspawn hp calculation wrong. monster might be, too. 16:27:03 but it can't be... 16:27:05 hrm. 16:28:23 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:28:36 -!- Guest14619 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:38 -!- Marvin is now known as Guest2960 16:29:50 -!- Kolbur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:32:26 -!- Kolbur1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34:52 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:40:12 hm, healing classed monsters is probably buggy right now. 16:42:06 gammafunk: you have a lot of summoner experiene. how do you feel about summon forest? i've only used it a few times and mostly found it to be pretty underwhelming, but maybe my spellpower is just too low 16:43:04 summon forest is pretty good, I definitely use it; it tends to have a harder time with tankier enemies 16:43:23 or any enemies that can kill the dryad 16:43:25 when I use it, I have pretty high summons, like 15 -18 16:43:26 which is... most enemies 16:43:27 but no transloc 16:43:52 yeah any enemies that can kill your summon are bad for the summon 16:44:19 ice beast summons an ice beast, if it dies I can summon another or even have three up at a time 16:44:26