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(#10195) 10(7 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96ac2a402941 03:50:51 so that web thing does work 03:52:19 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:02 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:07:41 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:16:03 Misleading flavour message by Gastronok "You feel sluggish" 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10197 by zzxc 04:21:17 -!- Mrmilt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:24:02 -!- mibe has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:27:29 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 04:29:22 -!- aditya has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:35:45 -!- WTFace has quit [] 04:39:16 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:51:55 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:04:07 -!- namelastname112 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:06:29 -!- Dirtsage has quit [Client Quit] 05:08:31 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:09:40 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:19:35 -!- pintc has quit [Changing host] 05:22:41 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:27:38 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:29:07 -!- st_ has quit [Quit: sleep] 05:40:08 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:45:39 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:46:48 -!- uJellie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:29:44 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 06:36:08 -!- Tilogour has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:53:02 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:10:02 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:15:55 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:22 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:35:23 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:39:04 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:54:21 -!- glosham has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:54:51 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:10:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:12:31 abtest (L11 OpTm) ASSERT(!fail || testbits(abil.flags, abflag::HOSTILE)) in 'ability.cc' at line 1683 failed. (D:11) 08:18:04 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:23:38 ability crash by ability tester? 08:30:20 &dump abtest 08:30:21 http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/abtest/abtest.txt 08:31:26 think he is training evo instead of invo by accident, or maybe I just don't understand :) 08:36:34 I think the bug is a missing fail_check in heal other 08:36:45 !source ability.cc:2568 08:36:46 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ability.cc#l2568 08:37:38 can't test/fix though, so if someone else can that would be nice 08:42:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:43:05 !crashlog 08:43:06 12770. abtest, XL11 OpTm, T:12131 (milestone): http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/abtest/crash-abtest-20151223-131230.txt 08:46:21 -!- Kintak has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:53:12 just need to wait another half hour or so for crawl.exe to finish linking 08:54:05 !tell |amethyst is it possible to build with DEBUG_DIAGNOSTICS but not debug symbols? 08:54:06 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 08:55:32 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:03:05 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:05:49 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-890-g0b5fb4c: Properly return if you fail to use Heal Other (Medar). 10(18 minutes ago, 2 files, 6+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b5fb4c581e8 09:05:49 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-891-gd5a960b: Allow using Reproduction if asserts are turned off. 10(55 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d5a960b94627 09:11:17 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:15:21 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:22 The build was broken. (master - d5a960b #4291 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/98518745 09:15:22 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 09:16:37 right 09:17:57 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-892-gcbbb19c: Fix compilation. 10(11 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cbbb19c74276 09:18:19 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:18:48 .gfgk 09:18:49 65. Laxior the Shatterer (L18 GrFi of Gozag), slain by a moon troll in WizLab (wizlab_lehudib) on 2015-12-23 11:32:28, with 225023 points after 23687 turns and 0:44:14. 09:19:12 .moon name=laxior -tv:channel=moon:>$ 09:19:14 1. Laxior, XL18 GrFi, T:22758 (milestone) requested for moon: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 09:19:25 oh rip 09:21:16 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:23:00 .moon name=laxior -tv:channel=moon:>$ 09:23:07 1. Laxior, XL18 GrFi, T:22758 (milestone) requested for moon: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 09:23:07 rip x2 09:23:56 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:27:24 rip x3 09:28:46 -!- Dirtsage has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:30:26 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:59 -!- Xodahs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:33:19 -!- agentgt has quit [Client Quit] 09:37:50 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:39:55 -!- pintc has quit [Changing host] 09:53:15 -!- CcS has quit [] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:54 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:02:55 The build was fixed. (master - cbbb19c #4292 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/98520500 10:02:55 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:03:57 Crash when attempting to cast Dazing ray on multiple animals 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10198 by cousinoleg 10:06:41 maybe we should release 0.16.2 10:06:42 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:09:03 crash upon casting Dazzling spray 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10189 by lord_khaine 10:13:00 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:16:49 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:16:59 wheals: robing had a /hw that she zapped until empty 10:17:05 and it seemed to not be on autopickup 10:17:31 not sure I've actually seen a monster zap a wand and have it get ided as empty 10:17:39 but the weird thing was that it didn't get picked up 10:17:47 I think because it's marked as useless 10:23:26 currently empty wands are marked useless ad not auto-picked-up, yes 10:39:51 -!- fiddlerwoaroof has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:44:18 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:50:16 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:55:27 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:09:25 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:10:32 gammafunk: do you mean this was the first time you saw it, or was it not ided as empty now either? 11:12:00 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:19:16 -!- sanka has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:20:15 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:31:57 -!- Dixie has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:34 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:35:26 wheals: first time I've seen a monster zap a wand and have it show up as empty on the ground after the monster dies 11:35:53 I'm not sure what triggers the player seeing the wand as empty; does the monster try to zap the wand and fail? 11:36:11 if so, wasn't aware that could happen 11:36:12 yeah 11:36:27 i don't remember when i added it 11:36:28 ok, it's probably happened to me before and I just forgot 11:36:44 but i was frustrated by always finding zapped:20 wands and knowing that obviously it was empty 11:36:56 right 11:37:15 it's a bit awkward how you can pass over something super valuable like empty hw/haste/teleport 11:37:29 and /invis 11:37:32 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:37:33 wrt that autopickup thing 11:37:34 yeah, there's an issue open on mantis about how autopickup works on temp uselessness 11:38:24 I guess the problem is the player actually wouldn't want to pick up most empty wands, just a few 11:38:42 hrm, I suppose it's based on whether the player had already seen a wand of that type 11:38:53 so your first empty wand of whatever is actually valuable 11:39:28 having two /HW is also useful if you want to zap it 18 times in a row 11:39:29 even then I'm sure we'd get bug reports of "I autopicked up this empty wand of magic darts" 11:41:20 I suppose that's true, but it's not exactly optimal to do that; although you could argue that if you have only a couple ?recharging and one wand you'd ever want to recharge, recharging a second wand of that type is better than carrying the ?recharging 11:41:27 if you have a second wand of the type you want 11:41:45 sounds like there might need to be...*sigh*...and rc option 11:41:48 *an 11:48:19 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 11:54:22 design question: should allow_self_target=yes also squash warnings from bolt-bouncing? 11:54:43 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 11:58:39 i don't think it should; aiming right at yourself is a lot more intentional 11:58:59 but that brings up the design question i was going to ask: should allow_self_target=no be the default 11:59:06 there was a guy complaining that he couldn't suppress the warnings 11:59:08 from bolt-bouncing 11:59:45 i'm not too broken up 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:21 if a man wishes to inevitably kill himself with careless self-zaps, who are we to say no? 12:00:26 or a woman. 12:00:32 or non-binary-gender-identifying individual. 12:00:36 like a fungus. 12:00:36 i guess if it saves us from adding an option :P 12:00:51 say NO to new rcfile options. 12:01:03 allow_new_rcfile_options=no 12:03:36 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-893-gc24f102: Change two bools to a ternary enum. 10(9 minutes ago, 6 files, 27+ 30-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c24f1025ce77 12:03:36 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-894-g29d6332: Remove some unnecessary cloud prompts (#10192). 10(15 seconds ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/29d6332bf76e 12:03:49 my bools! 12:03:55 hrm 12:04:09 speaking of self_target and non-binary 12:04:11 what's next, my floats?! 12:05:16 for consistency, you'd want "Options.allow_self_target == no" to prevent self-zapping entirely, but that seems dumb. 12:05:23 so I guess I'm leaning against making any change at all here. 12:05:24 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-892-gcbbb19c (34) 12:05:49 -!- Gobbo is now known as GoblinBomb 12:05:55 what would people think of making '= no' the default? 12:06:09 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:06:14 i know my track record for non-reverted interface "improvements" isn't great 12:06:20 how is self-targetting relevant gameplay wise? 12:06:23 Would that prevent dropping clouds on yourself? 12:06:30 like, directly on yourself 12:06:32 does this affect e.g. meph on yourself with rpois? 12:06:41 I'm slow, but I said it with more grace and poise 12:06:42 no, that's handled later (by the tracer) 12:06:52 I was thinking more of fcloud 12:06:53 and meph with rpois doesn't even prompt now 12:07:06 if you're in ice form, yeah 12:07:11 and fcloud immune 12:07:16 or a demonspawn! 12:07:17 that's a thing? 12:07:20 yes 12:07:23 and yes 12:07:23 huh 12:07:33 it's been a thing for a long time, I played my OpTm that was 12:07:34 *way 12:07:43 well anyway, clouds' prompting or not just ignores that option 12:07:58 i... think 12:08:00 hrm, so what practical in-game things does this really affect 12:08:00 yeah 12:08:04 just tested 12:08:10 yeah 12:08:18 just like casting bolt of fire at yourself 12:08:24 like if you're confused? 12:08:29 gammafunk: it would reduce the number of prompts by one when you accidentally hit cast -> fire when there are no enemies in range 12:08:31 and you want to try to zap and might hit yourself? 12:08:38 like, if enemies are behind grates or something 12:08:46 i don't think it would affect that either 12:09:26 you wouldn't hit yourself but you would get a prompt. possibly it's bad to change the default # of prompts there, because that'll mess with muscle memory and might lead people to make more mispresses in response? but the situation isn't very common 12:09:35 and yeah it doesn't affect zap bouncing 12:09:41 hm, you could cast fireball at yourself 12:09:43 I don't know of a situation covered by this option where you'd actually want to zap yourself 12:09:49 that's the only reason i can think of to even allow it 12:09:50 if you were a djinn 12:10:01 yeah if something fire vuln 12:10:05 wheals: unravelling..... 12:10:07 and you having rF 12:10:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:10:12 also handled like clouds 12:10:19 just remove that spell, I think it was coded by zermako 12:10:23 because of the SPFLAG_ALLOW_SELF 12:10:24 :( 12:10:41 oh, is yara in wizards without wizlabs 12:10:45 gammafunk: that would explain the // FUCK BEAMS i found in the code 12:10:45 ??wizards_without_wizlabs 12:10:46 wizards without wizlabs[1/2]: Spell namesakes: Leda, Lee, Alistair, Ozocubu, Borgnjor, Maxwell, Olgreb, Gell. Artifact smiths: Ukta ({hat of the bear spirit}), Black/Doom Knight, Octopus King, The Captain, The Alchemist, Zhor, Cekugob, the Botono. 12:10:47 I guess you'd want to fireball yourself rather than the enemy if, like, there was a friendly behind it 12:10:53 wheals: lol, is that really in the source 12:11:06 sadly no 12:11:12 shame 12:11:14 !send gammafunk git grep FUCK 12:11:15 Sending git grep FUCK to gammafunk. 12:11:22 which is very nearly a good clan name. 12:11:35 actually that's quite good 12:11:36 there's a good rhythm to it. 12:11:42 but having a swear word in a clan name 12:11:43 isn't great 12:12:06 !learn e wizards_without_wizlabas[1] s/Gell/Gell, Yara/ 12:12:07 I don't have a page labeled wizards_without_wizlabas[1] in my learndb. 12:12:10 !learn edit wizards_without_wizlabs s/Gell/Gell, Yara/ 12:12:10 Use: !learn edit wizards_without_wizlabs[NUM] s/// 12:12:14 !learn e wizards_without_wizlabs[1] s/Gell/Gell, Yara/ 12:12:14 wizards without wizlabs[1/2]: Spell namesakes: Leda, Lee, Alistair, Ozocubu, Borgnjor, Maxwell, Olgreb, Gell, Yara. Artifact smiths: Ukta ({hat of the bear spirit}), Black/Doom Knight, Octopus King, The Captain, The Alchemist, Zhor, Cekugob, the Botono. 12:12:21 damn you 12:12:29 i can't be the only one who thinks of Tasha Yar when i hear that name 12:12:38 fr: the weird slimy black thing as a unique 12:12:48 I can't believe we have Nerds in this irc channel. 12:13:06 the class of person, or the candy, I guess. 12:13:38 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:13:45 god, a wizlab chock full of hexes, what fun 12:14:25 Revenge of the Spriggans 12:15:05 ??todo wizlabs[2 12:15:06 wizards without wizlabs[2/2]: See http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des#l2028 for a list of long-dead wizlab ideas from the devs who made the original ones. 12:15:18 !source wizlab.des:2028 12:15:20 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des#l2028 12:15:42 there aren't even that many lines left now 12:17:26 -!- molotove1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:18:34 yeah I removed those lines 12:19:00 could make that link to the older ref for posterity, I guess 12:19:08 but there wasn't too much of value in them as I recall 12:19:57 could add the commit that removed them to ??old wizlabs 12:21:06 oh, sure 12:21:39 %git 092858d3ad986602ce60a04a438dfbc31e5eb559 12:21:39 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-1370-g092858d: Remove the obsolete WizLab planning section 10(6 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 48-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/092858d3ad98 12:21:51 ??old_wizlabs 12:21:51 old wizlabs[1/2]: %git 9c11f61 12:21:56 ??old_wizlabs[2 12:21:56 old wizlabs[2/2]: %git f9ff493 12:22:52 !learn add old_wizlabs Old wizlab planning ideas: %git 092858d 12:22:52 old wizlabs[3/3]: Old wizlab planning ideas: %git 092858d 12:23:01 !learn del wizards_without_wizlabs[2] 12:23:02 Deleted wizards without wizlabs[2/2]: See http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des#l2028 for a list of long-dead wizlab ideas from the devs who made the original ones. 12:28:30 -!- nimtz has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:37:24 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:50:53 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 12:52:12 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:23 -!- crowleyman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:26 after playing gozag for the first time, I have a small suggestion: show gozag gold buff as a status with a number e.g. Gold (7) 13:09:05 similar to some Ds statuses 13:13:35 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:24:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:39:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:40:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:55:59 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 13:56:31 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:59:02 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:55 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03:53 -!- lobf has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 14:12:15 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:17:56 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20:41 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:26:34 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:28:21 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:30:24 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:57 -!- crowleyman has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 14:33:45 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:05 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:49:46 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:59:24 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:02:33 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:05:49 -!- bleak_ is now known as bleak 15:06:36 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:40 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:09:47 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:20:36 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21:50 -!- Tpain is now known as zhaorenw 15:23:16 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:25:39 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:26:26 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:26:58 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Farewell.] 15:31:52 fruitloops7 (L27 MiGl) ASSERT(in_bounds(mg.pos)) in 'mon-place.cc' at line 3904 failed. (Abyss:5) 15:38:03 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:14 -!- BigBluFrog has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:42:04 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:43:16 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 15:47:19 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 15:50:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:56:26 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:11 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:04:39 03bh02 07* 0.18-a0-895-gfaf6667: Bring back Christmas 10(79 minutes ago, 46 files, 126+ 90-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/faf6667daaae 16:05:35 Jesus Christ. 16:05:55 PleasingFungus: yes. Jesus Christ was born on Christmas 16:06:02 That's just a rumor. 16:07:27 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:08:16 there should be no functional changes in that commit 16:09:09 god why are air magic spells so inaccurate 16:09:12 bh: you missed some merge indicators 16:09:18 it's like bolt of inaccuracy 16:09:32 bh: just in dat/descript/branches.txt it looks like 16:09:49 Lightli: static discharge literally can't miss. 16:09:50 oh 16:09:51 point for air magic...? 16:10:04 wheals: uh... why did it let me commit? :| 16:10:57 -!- Shard1697_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:11:01 03bh02 07* 0.18-a0-896-g1c42501: Remove wayward merge indicators. 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1c425019b1c3 16:15:34 bh: you can run git-add on a file with conflict markers, and then it's added. you're just not supposed to 16:17:14 amalloy: I could've sworn it would protest. This is what I get for using perforce most of the time 16:18:29 if you use emacs, i wrote some elisp to show an error if a buffer has conflict markers, or save + git-add if there aren't any 16:18:55 but i guess a lot of emacs users are using magit anyway and i should get with the times 16:26:00 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:26:43 -!- fruitloops7 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:39:19 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:40:04 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:41:21 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:48:52 there's util/...something to help with that 16:49:11 util/checkcommit 16:49:16 I use that as a pre-commit hook 16:49:33 catches conflict markers 16:50:09 it used to check a bunch of other things, but those are covered by checkwhite now 16:53:34 -!- zarath9 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:55:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:57:16 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:58:58 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:07:29 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:09:37 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 17:10:36 -!- Insomniak has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:26:07 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:31:36 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:03 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 17:32:53 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:49 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:36:21 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:40:52 MakeMeASandwich (L23 VSAK) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. 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Use your powers wisely. 18:37:03 PleasingFungus: hey there 18:37:03 johnstein, yeah no, that's what i screwed up 18:37:09 Lasty: i'm hungry 18:37:11 for af_hunger changes 18:37:14 i force pushed :( 18:37:21 Cool. What's your preferred solution? 18:37:25 so now i can't rebuild it via that 18:37:33 Mine is "sets a status that makes you starving even if you're not starving 18:37:36 I honestly like grunt's fixed-hunger-damage-per-hit approach 18:37:41 I don't think crawl needs more statuses 18:37:43 oooooooh 18:37:44 we have so many... 18:37:48 But then eating a ration makes you completely immune 18:37:51 i'm bad at git 18:37:59 Honestly, that's my least favorite solution 18:38:03 ontoclasm: I'll have to do it later 18:38:03 I'd much rather remove it outright 18:38:10 no hurry 18:38:11 where are the hunger values defined again 18:38:23 ontoclasm: I think it's just a git checkout -f origin/faithful 18:38:24 or something 18:38:33 !source food.h 18:38:34 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/food.h 18:38:40 shouldn't be too bad. I'll let you know when I get it fixed 18:38:41 probably 18:38:46 found it 18:38:48 ah 18:39:09 PleasingFungus: AF_AGONY; do it, you know you want to 18:39:21 -!- pintc has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:39:24 why. 18:39:37 Lasty: imagine a flat... 1k hunger/hit? maybe a little less 18:39:59 floored so as to never drive you below starving (just to it) 18:40:04 PleasingFungus: so if you're at very hungry in zot, you turn a corner and then maybe die immediately 18:40:08 ah 18:40:24 So if you're engorged, you can take 39 hits before it matters 18:40:50 no 18:40:53 that's not how engorged works 18:40:58 the defines are confusing 18:41:01 ah 18:41:05 it's actually 11900? 18:41:05 #define HUNGER_MAXIMUM 11900 18:41:07 yes 18:41:13 so 11 hits 18:41:23 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:41:35 assuming that you are at max hunger at all times, it'll take 4-6 rounds for a single death cob to drive you to starving 18:41:41 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:28 which seems like it'd be pretty significant. not instant guaranteed starvation, like now, but enough to get you in trouble real fast if you don't deal with it 18:42:42 I don't really see the benefit of doing that as opposed to immediately setting Starving via a status. In your proposal, you're encouraged to eat constantly in Zot and if you do you might have no effect from death cobs; if you don't you'll lose access to abilities while fighting cobs. In mine, you always are likely to lose access to abilities while fighting death cobs and you don't have to eat constantly. 18:42:49 counterargment: eating fruit against this would be pretty useless 18:42:59 yeah 18:43:02 -!- Elronnd is now known as kerio_is_a_boat 18:43:17 honestly it seems like you really don't want to interact with the hunger system at all 18:43:25 at which point, yes, remove af_hunger 18:44:26 -!- kerio_is_a_boat is now known as Elronnd 18:44:26 argument: if you want to add fake-starving, emulate flayed ghosts - it seems thematically similar 18:44:55 but what would you call it???? 18:45:28 actually that wasn't an argument, that was just a suggestion. 18:45:38 I think I might have been in an argument mode. 18:46:38 PleasingFungus: I kind of don't -- the thing that I liked about the current version was that it was a kind of soft paralysis 18:46:50 I didn't think an interaction w/ strategic hunger was interesting at all 18:47:06 ok. probably better not to even pretend to interact with it, then. 18:47:28 af_silence 18:47:28 the current one sort of does but mostly doesn't and I think that annoys players. 18:47:38 ontoclasm: can still read scrolls, can't use rods, etc 18:47:42 it's slightly different 18:47:54 af_slightly_different_silence 18:47:57 agreed. 18:48:51 I think setting "Starving" is better than setting "special silence" for two reasons: 1) players already know what starving does 2) it has theme with death cob 18:49:50 and I do think theme is important 18:50:12 I mean 18:50:28 what is the theme, exactly? 18:50:44 "something about food" is the best I've got 18:50:52 Cobs are undead food that makes you hungry. 18:51:04 Regular food makes you less hungry, undead food makes you more hungry 18:51:10 but you aren't eating the death cob. 18:51:12 or 18:51:16 is the death cob feeding itself to you 18:51:19 in some fucked up undead prank 18:51:37 hm. maybe the death cob is eating you, which makes you more hungry. now THAT's a reversal 18:51:43 alternately, fighting with the cob makes you feel hungry as you think about how buttery and delicious it is 18:52:00 dammit I want some corn now 18:52:15 I mean, the theme isn't a slam dunk, but it has a loose thematic connection 18:52:26 whereas "corn silences you" has no thematic connection 18:52:33 johnstein proves it's working.... 18:52:45 children of the corn 18:52:49 obviously, as normal corn makes loud popping noises, undead corn makes silent un-popping un-noise. 18:52:56 think about it. 18:53:03 haha 18:53:09 sold 18:53:46 clearly death cobs should have perma inner flame 18:53:58 O.o amazing 18:54:09 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:54:23 and come in huge packs 18:54:36 and cast fireball with no regard for friendly fire 18:54:46 new crawl alternative 18:54:58 Lasty: anyway, I think we're agreed on removing the current af hunger mechanism 18:55:01 the proportional thing 18:55:23 PleasingFungus: yeah, seems like no one particularly likes that 18:55:33 and then possibly replace it with some kind of real or fake starving status? 18:55:54 I think that's worth a try 18:55:56 hm 18:56:08 thinking about it, fruit are kind of useless against death cobs regardless 18:56:13 like, in any system 18:56:41 they're reasonably good now 18:56:46 not really 18:56:53 in my experience 18:57:11 if eating made you immune to newfakehunger for a few turns fruit would be decent 18:57:16 yeah 18:57:41 that's a complication, of course 18:57:48 yes 18:57:56 and the same could be said of the flat or proportionate systems (if eating gave immunity to them for a few turns, then...) 18:58:15 yeah 18:58:22 aren't fruits the only real tactical eating strategy available now? i.e. if you need to Eat Now, the natural go-to is fruit, right? or is my tactical eating knowledge out of date again? 18:58:31 also jerky/pizza 18:59:17 those are just as fast? I can't seem to remember the speeds anymore. I only recently remembered royal jellies weren't fast. 18:59:18 and 18:59:20 the royal 18:59:21 jelly 18:59:23 I think they are 18:59:29 maybe I'm crazy and wrong 18:59:29 ??royal jelly 18:59:29 royal jelly[1/2]: 2000 nutrition with no other effects. For the boss of the Slime Pits, see {the royal jelly}. 18:59:32 hrm 18:59:38 RJ is 3 turns 18:59:43 for a while it was 2 18:59:46 but I think it's back up to 3 18:59:46 iirc at some point it was changed so everything was either fruit-speed or ration-speed 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:00:07 food[2 19:00:15 ??food[2 19:00:16 food[2/3]: Chunks, rations and royal jellies take 3 turns to eat. Everything else takes one turn 19:00:34 slow 19:00:35 yeah 19:00:58 so I should add jerky and pizza to my Tactical Food list. I'm sure that knowledge will ensure I win more games. 19:01:07 definitely 19:01:15 I have always collected fruit 19:01:29 you end up with more jerky than fruit in some games 19:01:33 sometimes 19:01:35 but death cobs have made me sometimes pick up jerky/pizza for Zot 19:01:39 which imo is not great 19:01:43 yea. I always carried a stack of fruit and a stack of rations and allocated one more inv slot for chunks 19:01:50 I like to eat 19:02:05 now I'm actually confused 19:02:11 do you want your death cobs to have no impact on the game at all 19:02:18 adding some new temporary hunger mechanic is probably my least favourite solution, if the actual gameplay impact is meant to be that you spend some turns eating instead of fighting then i don't see what's wrong with AF_SLOW still 19:02:51 how could an undead, walking piece of corn make you slow down? 19:02:52 MarvinPA: I feel reasonably good about AF_SLOW, though 1) it's less good against AC and 2) it's a more predictable/easily cancelled effect 19:02:55 it's preposterous. 19:02:56 in terms of just making you less effective in combat, seems like they'd be plenty dangerous 19:02:58 and theme, yeah 19:03:05 and COMPLETELY unrealistic 19:03:17 If they were switched to AF_SLOW, I'd probably buff the damage or something 19:03:50 what, if anything, are we doing with hunger ghost? 19:03:56 (stay safe hunger ghost) 19:04:16 PleasingFungus: I don't want death cobs to force you to scour the dungeon for an item that's otherwise useless because that's irritating. If pizza/jerky were useful outside Zot, that'd be another matter. 19:04:43 you're being hyperbolic. 19:05:24 But yeah, I don't really want to blur the line between tactical/strategic hunger. In general, I'm in favor of the idea of making hunger less of a thing or not a thing, and instead having some other motivating timer -- perhaps some kind of "doom timer". I know that's not necessarily a short-term goal or something other devs would support. 19:05:51 PleasingFungus: It may be hyperbolic for you, but it's completely accurate for my subjective experience. 19:06:21 obviously, not everyone plays the same way 19:07:05 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:34 -!- nico- has quit [Quit: .] 19:08:29 MarvinPA: is AF_SLOW your favorite solution? 19:08:48 hmm, probably 19:09:13 What about mutations -- got a preference there? 19:09:22 I was thinking of committing something to address that 19:09:42 something along the lines of more cmut, slightly fewer neqoxecs 19:09:44 i think basically what gammafunk said in the crd mail 19:11:18 sounds good 19:18:35 I haven't heard too many complaints about mutations since that change, funnily enough 19:18:42 beyond the initial ruckus 19:19:03 it's almost like...rMut...didn't do all that much...??? 19:19:05 hullabaloo 19:19:06 haha 19:19:11 I still hear a few complaints here and there 19:19:21 someone recently posted that had 3 levels of all bad mutations 19:19:25 which, uh 19:19:26 hah 19:19:54 We should have a special complaint box thing on the website 19:20:19 And then when you submit the complaint, it pops up saying, "Sorry your complaint could not be registered because the complaint box system was removed." 19:20:36 haha 19:21:39 ??mutagenic_cloud 19:21:40 mutagenic fog[1/1]: Shimmering purple, deliciously mutagenic! Will polymorph monsters and give you bad mutations! Remember to wear your rMut amulet. In 0.15 gives you glow instead of mutations (which will of course lead to mutations if you tarry, which rMut only protects against 45% of the time). 19:21:45 hrm 19:22:09 PleasingFungus: isn't it true that the mut clouds now give monsters a special kind of malmutate status but no polymorph? 19:22:42 someday I will have an excuse to give something mutafog breath 19:22:43 <.< 19:22:48 !lg * map~~experiment 19:22:49 1. Nausicaa the Chucker (L3 OgHu), mangled by an iron imp (summoned by Natasha) on D:2 (gammafunk_pakellas_statue_experiment) on 2015-12-22 15:39:51, with 24 points after 1827 turns and 0:04:22. 19:22:55 !lg * map~~experiment -tv 19:22:56 1. Nausicaa, XL3 OgHu, T:1827 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 19:22:57