00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:35 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:10:05 http://sprunge.us/igEZ 00:10:06 first pass 00:12:10 gammafunk: 00:12:11 Grunt: give them an umbra and a band of bats! 00:12:23 !umbra Wensley 00:13:46 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:01 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:16:45 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:16:46 -!- vev has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:17:17 Grunt: they need to bat away when fleeing :) 00:17:29 s/fleeing/emergency spell 00:17:34 need monster forms for that >.> 00:17:39 make that the distinctive feature of all vampires 00:17:55 they can be the only monster that flees :P 00:18:20 somewhere I have old monster form code 00:18:23 I wonder what I did with it 00:18:25 and they can do it while dripping blood from their fangs, so we can bring back blood trails!! 00:18:46 @??jory 00:18:47 Jory (04V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 166-191 | AC/EV: 20/12 | Dam: 40, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(160), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 3961 | Sp: crystal spear (3d37), mesmerise, blink close, vampiric draining [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: .. 00:21:32 give them mesm, that sounds fun :P 00:23:09 mesm doesn't need to be more widespread than it is <.< 00:24:01 we need to implement werewolves so that we can have a twilight vault 00:28:15 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-822-gb52b7b4 (34) 00:30:39 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:54 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35:56 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:37:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 00:39:14 -!- WTFace has quit [] 00:50:18 An altar to Pakellas appears before amalloy. 00:50:21 <.< 00:55:02 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:55:12 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 00:55:56 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57:36 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:59:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:02 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:23 -!- Xen is now known as Guest42491 01:07:41 -!- Guest42491 has quit [Client Quit] 01:08:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:09:24 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:49 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:40 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-822-gb52b7b4 (34) 01:13:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:16:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:18:39 i worshipped pakellas once, accidentally 01:19:08 !lm . god.ecumenical x=lg:xl 01:19:09 1. [2015-12-08 23:21:43] [xl=6] hyperamalloy the Ogre Mage (L6 OgFE of Pakellas) prayed at an ecumenical altar on turn 4481. 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Use !messages to read it. 10:22:24 a little bird whispers that demonic/withered plants may interact differently with evolution than basic plants. 10:22:36 uh oh 10:22:37 I don't feel strongly about this. 10:22:39 what do they do? 10:22:47 nothing, i image 10:22:49 imagine, rather 10:22:57 intense 10:23:14 everyone knows that being withered is truly the height of evolution 10:23:47 wither, our demonic plants? 10:25:15 whither doth crawl go 10:25:25 sort of weird that you'd be able to evolve dead plants to begin with 10:26:44 I wonder how long before someone makes demonic plants do something different gameplay-wise 10:27:00 intentionally, that is 10:30:22 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:30:23 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:31:05 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:31:22 would be a little odd. they're just used as decoration right now. 10:35:35 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:40:51 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:01 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 10:41:02 Who made the new Naga tile? 10:41:09 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:41:09 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:41:59 -!- Kramin42 has quit [Client Quit] 10:43:23 nikheizen: The naga rework was ontoclasm, iirc. 10:43:41 Well it's fantastic. 10:43:53 Thanks ontoclasm. 10:44:25 he's not here, but feel free to !tell him! 10:45:20 ??ontoclasm[beat 10:45:20 I don't have a page labeled ontoclasm[beat in my learndb. 10:45:23 ??ontoclasm[beaut 10:45:24 ontoclasm[20/21]: ontoclasm is full of magic and beauty 10:45:37 ??ontoclasm[$ 10:45:38 ontoclasm[21/21]: ugh, art is hard 10:45:45 that sounds like it sums it up. 10:46:56 !tell ontoclasm, in regards to your new naga tiles: they are fantastic. La are still stupidly OP though. 10:46:57 Sorry nikheizen, I don't know who ontoclasm, is. 10:47:09 !tell ontoclasm in regards to your new naga tiles: they are fantastic. La are still stupidly OP though. 10:47:09 nikheizen: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 10:47:15 thanks sequell 10:47:40 no one gives Sequell enough credit 10:48:09 puts up with the nonsense in this channel basically 24/7, never complains 10:48:11 he works hard for all of us 10:48:31 la are basically just ettins, if you think about it. 10:48:56 that joke probably requires more explanation than is worthwhile. 10:49:22 please explain i would love to hear it, PleasingFungus 10:49:33 ??won't do 10:49:33 won't do[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:wont_do 10:49:42 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:49:49 Two-headed player species. In particular, no to two-headed playable ogres, double no to wearing two amulets at once and double double no to simultaneous religions. 10:50:00 it's just serial polytheism! 10:51:16 lacertilians: its pretty much just a harem anime except the gods are the waifus and the MC is a reptilian 10:52:03 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:52:32 big, if true. 10:53:00 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:04 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:55:19 where's all the tsundereness 10:55:33 n-nani?! 10:56:56 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:09 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:30 -!- mopl_ is now known as mopl 11:03:16 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:09:30 -!- edgefigaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:10:37 Staircase bug 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10184 by edgefigaro 11:10:55 ontoclasm did you do the ufebutus (sp?) tile as well? 11:11:14 ufebutts 11:11:22 yep 11:11:22 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 11:11:24 haha "butts" 11:11:34 !messages 11:11:34 (1/1) nikheizen said (24m 25s ago): in regards to your new naga tiles: they are fantastic. La are still stupidly OP though. 11:11:40 hah 11:11:57 i am a fan of these new tiles !!! 11:12:02 glad you like them 11:15:51 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:19:09 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 11:21:10 also i'm happy people are trying out La 11:22:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:23:19 Honestly they're one of my favourite races even if I think they are blindingly OP. The best feature of crawl is the Gods system and making a race which takes as much as it can out of that is v. good. 11:24:15 yeah 11:27:05 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:31:48 I disagree 11:32:06 what a party pooper 11:32:20 -!- gammafunk is now known as poopface 11:32:52 (poop was taken) 11:37:14 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:39:24 There are many statements to disagree with in that comment! 11:40:05 <|amethyst> Sounds like the plot for an RPG 11:40:12 <|amethyst> Poop was taken. You must return it. 11:40:39 The binding of isaac in a nutshell. 11:45:03 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:46:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:25 -!- poopface is now known as gammafunk 11:46:50 I think I disagree with basically all of the statements in that comment 11:47:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:47:28 but to summarize, if we wanted to make crawl a game were you got as much out each gameplay mechanic as possible, we'd just have people play under wizmode 11:47:47 *out of each 11:48:03 -!- asdfsdfsdf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:48:23 anyhow I don't think La are a terribly serious proposal for addition to the game, so if they're kind of just something that people are having fun with on variant branch, no harm done 11:48:24 Take it up with ontoclasm! 11:48:38 no I just took it up with crawl-dev 11:48:41 that worked out fine 11:48:46 tomatochips (L27 HuWz) ASSERT(_valid()) in 'ray.cc' at line 194 failed. (Depths:4) 11:48:46 Hah. 11:49:19 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 11:49:30 I don't disagree with you that La are encroaching on the territory of wizmode though. 11:49:51 that game me an idea 11:50:05 Intentional type? 11:50:09 typo* 11:50:16 heh, *gave 11:50:23 @??giant_cockroach name:the_encroaching_roach 11:50:23 the encroaching roach (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-7 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 11:50:39 really fast insect unique? 11:50:53 spells include blink allies encircle 11:51:15 crawl development: gluing monsters onto bees 11:51:37 1learn add 11:52:07 -!- ystael has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:52:23 learn add encroaching_roach[1] they are guardian nagas glued to beeees! 11:52:50 maybe we just need a new class of derived monsters 11:53:06 remove bees 11:53:08 the derived bee 11:53:17 yes 11:53:19 its perfect 11:53:24 juggernaut bees 11:53:31 increase speed and evasion, and comes in a band 11:54:00 +5 juggernaut bees come into view. 11:54:31 +4 orbs of bees come into view. 11:56:36 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:56 What harm could there be in letting every monster in the game be a fast flying insect casting spells which surround you with other fast flying insects? 11:57:33 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:33 the royal bee 11:58:12 FR: Replace fireball with ball of bees. 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:09 <|amethyst> hell hounds become a Simpsons reference 12:01:55 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:02:42 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:02:52 sacrifices must be made 12:02:59 -!- nikheizen has quit [Quit: Farewell.] 12:04:56 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:04:57 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:05:39 |amethyst: do you know if dgn.terrain_changed() is what I should be using in dlua to e.g. change stone into floor? 12:06:25 I guess you could technically answer that with 'yes' and I'd still not know what I wanted to know 12:06:33 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I think it is, yes 12:06:38 ok thanks 12:06:50 <|amethyst> at least, that's what things like this use 12:06:58 <|amethyst> !source callback.dk_yredelemnul_ordeal 12:06:59 Can't find callback.dk_yredelemnul_ordeal. 12:07:18 <|amethyst> !source dat/des/altar/yredelemnul_ordeal.des:15 12:07:18 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/yredelemnul_ordeal.des#l15 12:07:19 hrm, this preserve_features lua arg seems a bit confusing 12:07:43 ok, I probably want false for that then 12:07:46 looking at that example 12:08:37 <|amethyst> preserve_features apparently means to push aside altars and stairs/portals/malign gateway to a new square 12:08:46 oh, haha 12:08:49 <|amethyst> oh 12:08:56 <|amethyst> also things with markers apparently 12:09:03 <|amethyst> !source _dgn_shift_feature 12:09:03 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc#l1007 12:09:58 wonder why altars are critical features 12:10:19 !source feat_is_critical 12:10:20 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc#l568 12:10:38 stairs certainly make sense 12:10:49 so I guess stairs are included in that? 12:10:53 as in it will push those as well 12:11:02 <|amethyst> looks like it 12:11:12 <|amethyst> !source feat_stair_direction 12:11:13 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc#l287 12:11:27 wow that comparison to CMD_NO_CMD seems an odd way to think of "is a stair" 12:11:43 !source feat_stair_direction 12:11:44 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/terrain.cc#l287 12:11:44 presumably altars are critical because that could be the only altar to that god in the game (this may not happen any more) 12:11:55 yeah it would with J 12:11:58 or could, rather 12:12:43 oh 12:12:49 so this also means shops 12:13:13 <|amethyst> ah 12:13:21 <|amethyst> yeah, I guess anything you can <> on 12:13:25 <|amethyst> < or > 12:15:24 -!- mopl is now known as mopl_away 12:15:30 -!- beogh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:16:45 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:21:41 another question, if i have a marker of something like lua:MonPropsMarker:new{experiment="experiment"} and create a marker of DgnTriggerer:new{type="monster_dies", target="experiment"} 12:22:07 is there a way my callback can see the pos of where the monster died? 12:22:17 instead of just where i attach the marker 12:23:15 I could just check for visibility of the pak altar I'm placing and call it a day, since all I'm doing is printing a message 12:23:55 well in one vault I'm also changing a fog machine, but said machine is a fixed location I can find through the marker, so that's no issue 12:24:31 I think it would be pretty hard for the player to be able to see the altar and not see the monster die, but if there's a Right Way to do this... 12:26:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-822-gb52b7b4 (34) 12:27:02 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:29:47 looks to me like you can get it from the event? 12:30:11 ev:arg1() is the mod, dgn.mons_from_mid() to get a monster, then get its x and y? 12:30:16 s/mod/mid 12:30:17 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:31:07 hrm, but does that happen before the mid is gone? 12:31:13 since the monster has died 12:31:36 sounds like a solid lead though, so thanks 12:31:45 that is used within the monster_died trigger implementation 12:31:50 so I presume it is valid 12:32:11 (it uses that to verify that the monster that died is the one you want to trigger on) 12:32:40 sounds good 12:35:59 * geekosaur still trying to figure how to add a monster in response to a trigger... 12:36:06 (rather than use the ugly HP hack) 12:36:54 oh, that shouldn't be too hard; what's the problem with adding a monster? 12:37:19 another approach is to simply pre-place the monster in a "prison" 12:37:26 and remove the "gate" on the trigger 12:37:33 depending on what you need 12:38:16 hm, suppose that could work\ 12:38:26 that's what' I'm doing for my "ocs vs troll" vault 12:38:52 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:53 s/what'/what/ 12:39:41 * geekosaur suspects it's easy and he's just missing something obvious, but the "cage" thing may work better anyway 12:40:53 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:43:02 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:46:56 -!- xczxc has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:47:09 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 12:51:02 right, crib most of the code from vampire_church callbacks >.> 12:58:57 -!- weryy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:21 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:09:04 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 13:13:15 -!- edgefigaro_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:16:01 -!- argent0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:27:33 -!- mopl_away has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:28:25 Lasty_: You have a game listed as idle 209h on cszo 13:28:35 as do three other people 13:28:50 |amethyst: ^ are the above idle games some kind of zombie process? 13:28:58 gammafunk: I imagine it's true! 13:29:16 !calc 209.0 / 24 13:29:17 8.71 13:29:24 I just won a char on CSZO last night, so . . . . yeah, probably a zombie process of some sort 13:29:37 it's a DgAs 13:29:44 Speaking of which: 13:29:48 !calc 256 - 209 13:29:49 47 13:29:50 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:29:53 !lg lasty pakellas / won s=char 13:29:54 2/2 games for lasty (pakellas): 1/1x DEWn [100.00%], 1/1x HuAr [100.00%] 13:29:58 Buff Pak. 13:30:09 nerf pak you mean? 13:30:18 /s 13:30:25 maybe this is my chance to finally win a Deep Elf 13:30:47 gammafunk: it should be understand that future presidents like me are generally saying something other than they mean 13:31:02 well no, I just don't get the joke 13:31:20 usually when someone gets 100% winrate with something they say "nerf foo!" 13:31:25 Sorry, there's really no major joke, just being obtuse for some reason. 13:31:31 I do mean nerf Pak 13:31:34 oh 13:31:50 But I sort of don't because Pak's main point of interest is being really strong 13:31:59 I have mixed feelings! 13:32:06 yeah I can actually think of one pak nerf I'd like to make 13:32:17 and it's to how he ehances certain random rolls that use evo 13:32:25 oh yeah? 13:32:26 grunt has it do the enhancement on the final count 13:32:31 yeah look at sack of spiders 13:32:38 only one random component uses evo 13:32:45 I meant that like, "oh, yeah, tell me more" 13:32:47 but he enhances not just that count, rather the final roll 13:33:05 this is done a few places I think 13:33:09 hmm 13:33:11 but I recall that one in particular 13:33:22 So it's enhancing multiple factors? 13:33:31 !source _sack_of_spiders 13:33:32 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/evoke.cc#l1134 13:33:37 yeah, I think for the sack the other factors are just fixed, but let's look 13:34:02 yeah there's a flat random roll and a fixed count 13:34:07 he enhances all of it 13:34:22 ah, I see what you mean 13:34:23 so I think it should just be on the the 3rd component that's randomized based on evo 13:34:39 I think there may be other instances of this 13:35:06 I'm surprised he's doing that instead of generating a fixed power and then using it throughout 13:35:18 -!- Sorbius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:35:31 well he can't do that exactly 13:35:37 or rather that'd be a nontrivial rewrite 13:35:55 In that it'd change the rounding? 13:35:56 I guess you could refactor that function to work that way though 13:36:17 well it'd not be the same behaviour, I guess I'm saying 13:36:23 fair nuff 13:36:28 but other summons use a fixed power 13:36:33 yeah 13:36:36 so you're probably right about that 13:36:46 but sorry, that's an aside -- what was the nerf you were looking for? 13:36:57 oh well just enhance only the component using evo 13:37:02 that's what I was proposing 13:37:09 ah, gotcha 13:37:21 I see other instances 13:37:26 the hd_min for BoB 13:38:10 Yeah, I agree with that. That seems better. 13:39:40 what I'm proposing is basically like what you were suggesting wrt power, so maybe a rework to use a notion of power in these functions is best 13:40:05 yeah, I thought most of them did at one point . . . 13:40:10 but maybe I'm mistaken 13:41:04 But I would definitely support that approach. It seems to me that that would make them a) more similar to abilities and spells, and b) more generic. 13:41:16 s/generalizable/generic/ 13:41:22 erg 13:41:22 yeah I'm seeing distance and fan of gales elementals also doing this "ehance the entire count" thing 13:41:24 the other way round 13:41:25 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 13:41:33 I don't think this change really addresses Pak strength overall though 13:41:40 agreed 13:42:32 I'd say the biggest boost is the ability to get infinite wand charges, and the second biggest is the (more or less?) guaranteed rod you get relatively early. 13:42:49 And arguably another boost is the certainty that massively training Evo will be worthwhile. 13:46:06 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:48:00 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:49:47 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 13:51:00 -!- athros has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:51:28 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:54:06 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 13:54:55 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:56:16 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:59:01 Crash directly after character startup 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10185 by Teryn 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:05:57 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:09:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:14:11 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:21:42 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:32:10 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 14:34:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:37:22 amulets of harm are interchangeable, right? 14:37:33 yes 14:37:40 they don't generate with different harm values 14:37:42 i ask because they don't seem to be removed from autopickup once you get your first 14:37:50 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:38:06 ah, excellent point. I forgot to add any of the new stuff to autopickup exceptions 14:39:04 "refl probably should stay on autopickup ofc 14:40:09 i forgot to ask about this last time i noticed it, but it seemed like amulet of dismissal was always being coloured as if useless? 14:40:44 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:21 not sure if i'm misunderstanding something or if it's maybe an rc thing but thought i'd toss that out before i forget again 14:42:23 jefus: don't you use HDA's rc? does it recolor glyphs? 14:42:36 i see one now and it's green, where =wiz is grey because i'm ^trog 14:43:11 must be something in HDA 14:43:40 i'll have to look at it next time 14:45:24 -!- Kelb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:19 dang, polyphemus can throw petrified death yaks. FR: extra damage to the player when they get hit with solid-fucking-rock death yaks 14:47:00 that's gotta be some heft 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:15 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:05:49 amalloy: I don't know -- at least the stone ones aren't also biting and flailing with their hooves 15:06:29 dang. i just gained a new mental image, which i will treasure forever 15:06:50 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:07:59 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:07:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:10:41 oh wow, TIL ^f dropped is a thing 15:10:58 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:04 i accidentally hit dg instead of dq a while ago, and had no idea what i'd dropped 15:11:25 ^f as in find? 15:13:56 fr honeypot ants 15:14:04 yeah 15:14:36 ^f dropped && shoals -- oh look, all my potions of curing are on shoals:2 15:14:43 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:11 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:15:41 -!- minqmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:44 -!- minmay has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:15:50 oh, I see! I also didn't know ^f dropped was a thing, so I didn't understand what you were explaining 15:15:51 haha 15:17:39 -!- miek_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:02 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:20:45 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:23:39 i'm getting malmutated in slime. is Lasty_ the one i should mail 5kg of buffalo poop to? 15:23:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:24:28 No, definitely send that to PF. I think fungi in general enjoy buffalo poop more than I do. 15:24:45 But I do appreciate your desire to send gifts to the dev team. 15:24:56 *the rest of the dev team 15:24:57 is Lasty our current scapegoat? 15:25:06 make sure you get the recipient to agree to pay the shipping fee 15:25:07 Current? 15:25:07 :d 15:25:08 it's a good precedent to set 15:25:58 * dpeg always thought of Lasty_ as our resident spacetoad 15:26:15 I feel remarkably good about that 15:26:27 Space Toad 2016. 15:26:54 @??the royal jelly 15:26:54 Royal Jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 213-246 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(180), 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 14227 | Sz: Large | Int: brainless. 15:27:12 did PF change the monster's name, too? it used to be like...The royal jelly 15:27:38 there was a case change somewhere in there, yes 15:28:28 %git e088ad1 15:28:28 07gammafunk02 * 0.18-a0-425-ge088ad1: Give the Royal Jelly suitably royal case 10(2 weeks ago, 19 files, 23+ 26-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e088ad17c77a 15:29:53 but it somehow lost the "the" too 15:30:19 royal jelly (08J) | Spd: 14 | HD: 21 | HP: 230 | AC/EV: 8/4 | Dam: 5008(acid:7d3), 3008(acid:7d3) | 04eats items, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(180), 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 11silver | XP: 14176 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 15:30:19 %??the royal jelly 15:30:22 hm 15:30:31 maybe i'm just misremembering because the cap change is surprising 15:32:21 name handling is a bit weird 15:33:27 iirc "the" gets stripped in many contexts, because otherwise you get e.g. "your the royal jelly" 15:33:38 -!- SaintWacko has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:34:34 yeah, i remember that 15:34:41 but in like the monster list i don't remember it being stripped 15:35:05 so seeing a monster named Royal Jelly is game-breaking 15:35:56 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:35:56 probably because of title case, then (to avoid "the Terence") 15:36:01 or w/e 15:36:44 it doesn't use a definite article if it thinks it's a name 15:37:16 well it's also possible i'm wrong 15:37:37 i've only been a dev for a few weeks, i'm not infallible yet like Lasty_ 15:42:12 amalloy: you need to improve your scholastics 15:42:28 develops are infallible 15:42:32 developers are infallible 15:42:54 i've had some pretty choice random-name generation this game 15:43:03 the right "Oshit" and now the ring "Bichez" 15:43:23 Crawl special bling edition 15:45:16 1learn add dpeg develops are infallible 15:45:41 geekosaur: vacuously true: have you ever seen a develop fail? 15:45:55 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:46:56 (careful, I also help out on a project whose development branch is named "develop", so yes :p ) 15:47:15 also never ask that of a photographer who's used a darkroom >.> 15:54:44 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:59:29 amalloy: give it a week or two. You'll be infallible soon enough. 16:00:01 you could speed things up by declaring me infallible now 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:33 True! Since I'm infallible, by the transitive property you would then be infallible. 16:00:49 well not really by transitivity at all 16:00:52 I hereby declare amalloy to be infallible, henceforth and throughout this eartly realm. 16:00:58 did you forget that I'm infallible??? 16:01:03 * amalloy begins studying eart 16:01:10 Lasty_: well it would be more like modus ponens 16:01:18 transitivity requires a binary relation 16:01:31 amalloy is hereby infallible, and any blame that would fall upon me is now his. 16:01:50 -!- xczxc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:02:38 sweet 16:02:46 just in time for zot:5, now i can't fail 16:03:35 amalloy: "are members of the same devteam" is a binary relation 16:04:11 an equivalence relation, even 16:05:13 btw lasty, i foiled some of your reforms by finding "4winds 16:05:17 but could not locate rMut 16:06:10 hope for alchehat 16:06:13 *alchemist 16:06:40 amalloy: add 2 more orb guardians please 16:06:53 are there 25 or something? 16:06:57 yes 16:07:06 it's the saddest thing 16:07:10 &morb guarding 16:07:13 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:22 dang, rip. i'm infallible, so i must have renamed the monster 16:07:23 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 16:07:37 also i had a Dumb Amulet Idea 16:07:59 an amulet that blocks various bad status things but converts them to straight-up damage 16:08:27 i think it would have to convert them to an awful lot to be interesting 16:08:44 that was one of the original proposals i think, it has the problem that there's not really a good way to decide which statuses it blocks 16:08:50 i'm gonna have to killdude this stupid zot:5 16:08:58 <|amethyst> amalloy: not an equivalence relation: it's not transitive 16:09:09 so you just end up with a big long list of affected things to learn/list in the desc 16:09:25 |amethyst: okay true. but if you assume there's only one devteam in the world that matters 16:09:30 <|amethyst> heh 16:09:57 <|amethyst> then it's not reflexive... unless we press-gang all 7 billion people 16:10:00 <|amethyst> FR 16:10:45 ...alcohat? 16:10:57 (re alchehat) 16:11:22 MarvinPA: yeah, i suppose 16:11:30 -!- bonger has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:12:15 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:14:57 -!- Borzoi has quit [] 16:15:48 <|amethyst> geekosaur: http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/81JBN4hWfLL._SL1500_.jpg 16:16:43 <|amethyst> or perhaps https://elzonkeyshow.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/beer-hat.jpg 16:17:23 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:38 !source art-data.txt 16:17:38 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/art-data.txt 16:20:23 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:22:59 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:24:30 |amethyst: randart hat you can put potions into 16:26:16 ambrosia hat 16:26:36 <|amethyst> FR: rename ambrosia to "orcish liquor" 16:26:44 <|amethyst> (right after we add forges) 16:27:15 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:27:56 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:28:50 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:36:02 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:37 forge dwarves? 16:40:03 -!- liquidsnake has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:41:09 -!- yottam has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:42:45 dworcs 16:44:12 -!- Laptop_ is now known as mango_lives_2 16:48:08 Man, crawl dev mailing list distributes messages really slowly. Or else I failed at sending things to it. 16:48:35 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:49:39 <|amethyst> are you sending from the same address you're subscribed with? 16:49:57 <|amethyst> it seems to have a hair trigger for moderation until one of the mods approves you 16:50:03 <|amethyst> not sure who is a mod, but dpeg is 16:50:05 -!- Mercuria1Alchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:50:10 <|amethyst> s/who/who all/ 16:50:17 <|amethyst> (have some dialect) 16:53:41 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:55:15 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:56:18 |amethyst: your moderation flag should be cleared 16:59:26 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:59:39 <|amethyst> dpeg: not mine, Lasty's 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:06 <|amethyst> dpeg: mine has been fine for a while now, but I figured Lasty probably needed whatever you did for me :) 17:00:42 Lasty_: I can do that, but not from here. Please remind me on Friday (this time, in two days) again! 17:01:07 We need your infallible mailing list contributions! 17:01:28 I'm sending from the same address I subscribed with. Weird that I got moderated out. 17:02:00 !tell dpeg In two days, read this message and then remember to remove my moderation flag. Thanks! 17:02:01 Lasty_: OK, I'll let dpeg know. 17:02:03 :D 17:02:24 oh, no, one of them just came through 17:02:29 I sent 4-5 topics 17:02:44 Sadly the first topic explained what I was doing 17:02:45 <|amethyst> yeah, and not in order it seems, since that one mentions another email :) 17:02:48 <|amethyst> aha 17:02:49 so, uh, good luck understanding things 17:03:06 Hopefully it'll be clear from context. 17:03:53 Lasty_: I am sure you got not moderated out. 17:03:53 dpeg: You have 18 messages. Use !messages to read them. 17:04:00 whoa. 17:04:03 Dem messages. 17:04:18 * dpeg is a busy man. 17:04:22 true story 17:04:26 Busily infallible. 17:04:30 need some more !tell moderation 17:04:55 anyway, out for a bit. Heading home. 17:07:00 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 17:07:01 !messages 17:07:01 (1/18) chequers said (31w 17h 44m 15s ago): did you want to comment on the first paragraph of marvinpa's feedback for this pull request? https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/11 tl;dr how do you feel about potion petition pricing being reduced for effect extension/useless effects? 17:07:20 !messages 17:07:20 (1/17) chequers said (31w 17h 43m 45s ago): also, what do you think about changing gozag gold reward from scaling on size to monster threat? https://github.com/alexjurkiewicz/crawl-ref/commit/c26be236155043852df23fd4363065efc2fb96ea 17:07:28 !seen chequers 17:07:29 I last saw chequers at Tue Dec 15 23:04:49 2015 UTC (23h 2m 39s ago) saying 'like an entire paragraph in bold, or some bold words inline' on ##crawl-dev. 17:07:33 !messages 17:07:34 (1/16) bh said (29w 2d 19h 54m 23s ago): some dope died fighting a panlord when his flight ran out over deep water 17:07:52 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 17:07:55 yabod comes over christmas 17:07:57 !messages 17:07:58