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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 00:08:01 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:15:35 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:38 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:23:48 -!- vev has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24:30 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:08 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-816-g97f838e (34) 00:28:16 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:29:15 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:30:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:01 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:32:33 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:35:28 New branch created: pull/201 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/201 00:35:28 03johnstein02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/201 * 0.18-a0-817-g7b79664: Sometimes upgrade plain decks for Nem worshipers 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7b7966442ff2 00:36:12 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:36:36 figure that one might not be popular since it's nemelex related, but it seems odd for Nemelex to boost card power, but for that boost to be 100% irrelevant for plain decks 00:38:00 <|amethyst> some (but not all) cards use the numeric power 00:38:21 true. so definitely not an issue for all cards. 00:38:56 but after doing some research on card power and realizing that plain decks are always level 0, even if you worship Nem with ****** piety, it felt kinda silly 00:39:16 -!- dealpete has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:39:25 my assumption is that the quantity of the gifted decks and the Nem abilities make up for it 00:39:25 <|amethyst> yeah, I wouldn't miss deck rarity is someone stabbed it in a grimy alley 00:39:32 <|amethyst> s/is/if/ 00:39:45 I liked your ideas for Nem Re-Re-Reform 00:39:55 or maybe it's only Re-Reform 00:39:57 <|amethyst> I just need to get around to implementing it 00:40:01 Just make all decks scale the same way? No plain/ornate/legendary? 00:40:16 <|amethyst> at least three res 00:40:16 newnewnewnewnewnewnewnewnewnemelex 00:40:21 imo bring back the card table <.< 00:40:28 deck rarity is fine I think 00:40:37 <|amethyst> the hand is your portable altar 00:40:40 you don't want to summon pan lords with plain decks 00:40:51 ??pentagram card[2 00:40:51 pentagram card[2/2]: Can summon pan lords as well in 1.7, I would presume rarely. 00:41:00 that was handy in L:1 when I was at 16HP 00:41:26 a desperate evoke from my only Legendary Deck 00:41:49 <|amethyst> 1.7? 00:41:53 !cardpower 6.5 100 00:41:54 evo skill=6.5, nemelex piety=100, Cardpower=175.16666666666669, Ornate Lvl 1: 46% , Legendary Lvl 1: 98% , Legendary Lvl 2: 46% 00:42:04 I'm assuming it was level 2 00:42:20 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:42:22 %git :/[Pp]entagram [Cc]ard 00:42:23 Could not find commit :/[Pp]entagram [Cc]ard (git returned 128) 00:42:31 %git :/[Pp]entagram 00:42:31 07N7829102 {PleasingFungus} * 0.16-a0-2116-g6f85cf3: Change Pentagram's summons (theTower). 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 1 file, 27+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6f85cf300e61 00:42:39 hm 00:44:00 that looks like every single level2 would be a Pan Lord 00:44:23 !source _summon_demon_card 00:44:24 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/decks.cc#l2269 00:45:03 ah ok 00:49:22 I was wondering: do you guys mind if I ask questions about modding a local crawl copy here? 00:52:13 !source spl-miscast.cc create_monster 00:52:14 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-miscast.cc 00:55:30 Grunt: |amethyst: for create_monster, does abj_deg == 0 mean permanent? i.e. the lower abj_deg is, the longer the monster stays around? 00:55:33 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:56:57 was looking at the summon_demon_card routine and looked like the duration passed to create_monster decreases as power level increases. wasn't sure if that meant the better dudes were around longer or if it was the inverse 00:58:55 !cardpower 12 0 00:58:55 evo skill=12, nemelex piety=0, Cardpower=108, Ornate Lvl 1: 36% , Legendary Lvl 1: 94% , Legendary Lvl 2: 33% 00:59:55 johnstein: 0 is permanent; 1 is short; 6 is long 00:59:58 that ??pentagram[2 card kinda understates the rarity of a Pan Lord. though 1/3 of the time at evo 12 may still not be reliably high enough of a chance 01:00:00 ah 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:25 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:00:28 so 5 - power_level means as the power level increases, the duration gets shorter. so the better the summon, the less time you have with it? 01:00:39 probably 01:00:40 -!- Wensley_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:38 ty 01:05:32 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:05:36 -!- dark_star has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:06:43 nikheizen: I probably can't help, but I've done a lot of local crawl builds, so there's a small chance I could help 01:09:42 I'm trying to add back in some amulets and change a couple existing ones and on starting the game I get: "Bad name for item name cache: amulet of buggy jewellery" 01:10:25 The message is listed twice so I assume I messed up at two places in the amulet entries somewhere. I'm just not sure where to start. 01:10:27 -!- yottam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:11:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:11:12 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:11:36 !lm . faithful 01:11:36 No keyword 'faithful' 01:11:47 !lm . explbr=faithful 01:11:48 9. [2015-12-15 04:07:04] johnstein the Martial Artist (L10 LaMo of Nemelex Xobeh) killed the ghost of zackoid the Carver, a journeyman LaBe of Trog on turn 11712. (Lair:1) 01:13:19 -!- Blazinghand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:14:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:14:54 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-816-g97f838e (34) 01:15:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:16:50 -!- kaiza has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:18:21 -!- vev has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:18:45 johnstein: thanks for hosting it btw 01:19:24 ontoclasm: np. I was looking for a new game to play since I'm too scared to play my other game 01:19:34 !gameinfo . hufi 01:19:36 johnstein the L27 HuFi^Dith in Abyss:3 (cbro tiles), T:132238, runes: 5 (abyssal, silver, slimy...), defenses: 30/27/17, stats: 23/15/16, >15 skills: Fighting,Crossbows,Dodging,Shields,Charms 01:20:07 it's definitely interesting to know that I could switch gods at any time 01:20:13 uh. what happens to my piety? 01:20:20 if I switch. back to 0? 01:20:42 Yeah 01:20:46 bummer 01:20:59 at least you'll build it fast 01:21:04 In my experience with the la branch a while a go its not a problem 01:22:17 -!- kaiza has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:39:19 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:40:05 -!- Sorbius__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:51:30 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 01:54:25 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:34 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:02:07 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:04:27 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:10:34 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 02:13:32 -!- WTFace has quit [] 02:15:01 -!- t4nk549 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:15:35 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:32 -!- due has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:33 yo 02:20:32 amalloy, i'm assuming you haven't found anything since chris mailed me a few hours ago? 02:21:54 i am guess all afk :'( 02:22:11 greensnark: >:o 02:24:23 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:27:03 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:27:59 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 02:28:49 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:30:01 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:32:40 due: found anything what? 02:33:31 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:34:09 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:34:18 due, I really like your due_elkab 02:34:37 amalloy: looking for malwyn 02:34:45 due: I've been poking around the crypt layouts and I think that's my favorite float on crypt:3 02:34:53 :O 02:34:56 i need to look up which one this is 02:35:03 !vault due_elkab 02:35:04 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/crypt.des#l1848 02:35:20 i don't even know what "looking for malwyn" means, i'm afraid. is there some reason to suppose i can help? 02:35:44 amalloy: It was actually bad tab-complete on my part 02:35:49 ah 02:35:59 I meant |amethyst, but just typed am like a derp 02:36:17 i'm pretty sure i have done the same myself 02:36:31 we noticed the non-encompass endings on crypt:3 weren't placing as often. grunt made a fairly heavy-handed change, but it really limits the layouts for the 4 float vaults to just the layout_chaotic_city one. (so I'm arrogant enough to hope I can improve on this a bit) 02:36:45 :( 02:36:47 poor vaults 02:37:06 apparently someone highlighted my vault as being the best bad use of runed doors 02:37:11 i am not sure if this is a compliment or an insult :D 02:37:55 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:38:23 heh 02:41:05 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:41:25 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:45:55 i don't really remember making elkab 02:45:58 i remember the tower of silence one 02:46:00 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:51:23 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:51:32 !lg * recent ((kmap~~due||map~~due)) 02:51:34 1039. sage1234 the Destroyer (L11 DrCj of Ashenzari), slain by a wraith on D:9 (due_lair_maze_entry_diamond) on 2015-12-15 06:24:49, with 8682 points after 15284 turns and 0:58:32. 02:51:59 yay!!! 02:52:54 still killin' it! 02:53:13 so, I got locked out of the email address I'm sure I was using to communicate with Malwyn, just trying to get back in but it might take a day or so... 02:54:18 -!- onmyo is now known as dark_star 02:54:53 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:58:38 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:20 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:40 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:02:31 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:09:00 do wizlab works? 03:09:06 *wizlabs work properly still? 03:09:21 i remember being very excited about them but I think that was around the time I had to stop programming due to family issues 03:09:33 they... exist? 03:09:42 well sweet! 03:09:59 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 03:12:36 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:14:43 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:17:31 -!- WhodaMan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:19:56 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 03:21:36 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:24:06 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-816-g97f838e (34) 03:25:14 ??wizlabs 03:25:15 wizlabs ~ wizlab[1/2]: Portal vault with enemies and loot themed after a named wizard (Tukima, Wucad Mu, ...). D:15, Depths, Elf, Crypt, Vaults:1-4. 03:25:20 ??wizlabs[2 03:25:20 wizlabs ~ wizlab[2/2]: {Doroklohe's Tomb}, {Wucad Mu's Monastery}, {Cigotuvi's Fleshworks}, {Iskenderun's Mystic Tower}, {Zonguldrok's Shrine}, The {Roulette of Golubria}, {Cloud Mage}'s Chambers, {Hellbinder}'s Lair, {Lehudib's Moon Base} (0.17+), {Tukima's Studio} (0.16-), {Eringya's Formal Garden} (0.16-). 03:25:40 !messages 03:25:41 No messages for TZer0_. 03:25:44 -!- TZer0_ is now known as TZer0 03:25:47 !messages 03:25:47 No messages for TZer0. 03:28:16 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35:00 ??Tukima's Studio 03:35:00 tukima's studio[1/1]: Wizlab featuring {dancing weapon}s, strange generators spawning them and {strange machine}s blinking you next to them. Loot are the book with {Tukima's Dance}, a few blink scrolls plus an acquirement-level item and some gold. Removed in 0.17. 03:36:22 ??cigotuvi's fleshworks 03:36:22 cigotuvi's fleshworks[1/4]: You part the fleshy orifice. You are engulfed in noxious fumes! 03:36:28 bahaha 03:41:07 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:42:37 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:46:01 !lm * wizlab 03:46:02 26789. [2015-12-15 08:34:59] Tetazoo the Devastator (L17 GrWz of Vehumet) entered The Roulette of Golubria on turn 41933. (Elf:3) 03:46:58 due: wizlabs are pretty cool. the latest one is gammafunk's, a few months old 03:47:07 .moon 03:47:11 607. [2015-12-14 00:06:09] woodrow the Ruinous (L24 DrWz of Vehumet) entered Lehudib's Moon Base on turn 128759. (Depths:2) 03:47:19 .moon . 03:47:20 1. [2015-11-22 08:57:03] johnstein the Slayer (L23 OgWr of Ashenzari) entered Lehudib's Moon Base on turn 93200. 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Sharkman1231 the Slayer (L27 TeAr of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-12-04 06:02:18, with 1541359 points after 79545 turns and 2:52:40. 04:57:24 an ice fiend hit him after he hit < but didn't quite kill him 04:59:15 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:36 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:12:30 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:14:24 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:18:26 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:26:17 -!- Mike57_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:27:16 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:39:53 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 05:42:53 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:57:55 -!- roadmap has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:31:28 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:43 -!- yottam has joined ##crawl-dev 06:33:09 familiar with this crash? was tabbing 10+ green slimes in slime:1 06:33:11 https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/yottam/crash-yottam-20151213-042143.txt 06:38:47 %git d800d9ee 06:38:47 07|amethyst02 * 0.18-a0-772-gd800d9e: Avoid another shield crash. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 9+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d800d9eedea1 06:39:25 looks like your save is older than that commit 06:40:56 huh 06:41:02 i swear i started this game yesterday 06:41:56 -!- Guest25787 is now known as debo 06:42:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:43:31 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 06:49:49 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:50 &versions 06:51:22 CAO: 0.18-a0-807-g68d89f5, CBRO: 0.18-a0-816-g97f838e, CDO: 0.18-a0-801-gb01a236, CPO: 0.18-a0-816-g97f838e, CSZO: 0.18-a0-816-g97f838e, CUE: 0.18-a0-809-g212a022, CWZ: 0.18-a0-601-g3d103d0, CXC: 0.18-a0-816-g97f838e, LLD: 0.18-a0-593-g3a9cb0d 06:53:45 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:04:32 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 07:07:15 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:22:04 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:28:13 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 07:31:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:29 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:38:15 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:43:18 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:55:47 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:28 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:09:20 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:19:05 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:22:41 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:23 -!- jefus has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:42:24 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:12 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:52:33 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 08:55:27 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:59:55 -!- Lazy__ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:08 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:03:00 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:03:00 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:03:38 -!- Shard1697_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:04:37 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 09:16:05 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 09:16:40 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:19:35 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:20:06 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:21:32 -!- Wheatmill_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:22:03 -!- Lucasterio has joined ##crawl-dev 09:22:27 was it just me of freenode webchat was down for a long time? 09:25:08 oh, due was here! 09:25:14 and I missed it :( 09:25:27 !seen due 09:25:28 I last saw due at Tue Dec 15 08:52:55 2015 UTC (5h 32m 32s ago) quitting. 09:25:33 johnstein: I did re-enable other layouts for david_glass_crypt 09:25:43 since I figured out why it was failing to place properly 09:25:45 !seen donblas 09:25:45 I last saw donblas at Tue Dec 15 04:35:50 2015 UTC (9h 49m 55s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: Page closed'. 09:25:48 (was not: transparent) 09:26:04 (funnily enough for a glass vault) 09:27:48 (which no longer has glass since a long time ago, but oh well) 09:29:12 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:21 aren't staircases coloured according to whether or not you've traveled them before? or have i been misinterpreting that 09:29:33 Grunt: have you looked into device surge & hex wands? I want to paralyse things 09:29:40 Grunt: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10134 09:30:24 jefus: was changed, no it's whether you have seen both ends (you can check the other end with X[ or X]) 09:30:27 now 09:30:30 aha 09:30:41 thank you 09:31:15 !source evoke.cc 09:31:15 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/evoke.cc 09:33:17 problem is that surge_power gets called after power is determined 09:33:53 pakellas_device_surge, rather 09:34:02 but it has to be called after you confirm the attack, but it has to be called before you confirm it in order to display the % chance properly 09:34:24 !source surge_power 09:34:25 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-cast.cc#l81 09:35:05 !source pakellas_device_surge 09:35:05 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/godabil.cc#l6569 09:35:42 oh it's random? ugh 09:36:17 i suppose you could use the expected value 09:38:14 Clearly when you use these in conjunction, it should fully analyze the probability that the monster will be affected. Factor in the odds of each possible power level being selected and the odds of success with that power level. <.< >.> 09:39:33 it should require showing work, of course 09:40:01 agreed 09:40:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:40:06 In fact, we should make the player do it 09:40:17 then we can be an educational game 09:41:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 09:42:10 is it important for the surge power to be random? 09:42:46 I'm not sure... it didn't used to be. 09:42:54 I don't think I heard Grunt's rationale for the change 09:45:49 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:47:21 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:50:01 device surge was originally three abilities, which was confusing; this was the approach I thought of to condense them 09:50:46 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:51:06 what I have been considering: compute probability of each surge power, success for each, and uae that to display overall succesw chance 09:53:32 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 09:55:03 ouch.cc regulates damage taken by the player, right? 09:57:14 sorry meant the other way around 09:58:55 @brief Functions used when Bad Things happen to the player. 09:59:31 Okay so the first thing I said was correct. Thanks. 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:01:35 clearly sticky flames going away in water should not be in that file! 10:04:24 -!- Mercuria1Alchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:05:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:05:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 10:08:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 10:08:54 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:10:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 10:11:30 -!- SomeStupidGuy has quit [Client Quit] 10:15:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 10:17:10 Medar: also damage shaving 10:17:33 feelsgood.cc 10:19:08 Also creating jellies 10:21:58 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:22:45 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:31:00 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:31:54 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:34:58 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:24 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:38:29 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:58 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:39:32 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:44:50 -!- wheals__ is now known as wheals 10:46:14 -!- |amethyst has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:46:20 -!- Sizzell has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:50:30 looks like we lost cszo 10:50:36 I blame amulet reform 10:53:28 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 10:54:45 -!- xash has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:59:09 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:07 -!- graymark has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:01:15 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:01:27 -!- Lightli has joined ##crawl-dev 11:02:23 -!- dealpete has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:04 -!- Sizzell has joined ##crawl-dev 11:12:54 -!- rockit__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:15:13 -!- |amethyst has joined ##crawl-dev 11:15:24 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 11:19:35 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:23:53 wonder if this got reported yet: https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/3wxdin/good_start/ 11:27:35 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:27:50 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 11:30:38 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:33 -!- argent0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:09 -!- mopl is now known as mopl_away 11:43:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:50:59 ??faith 11:50:59 amulet of faith[1/2]: Piety increases one third faster. Yes, this means you get more gifts. Good gods save you more frequently in 0.16, but no longer in trunk. Xom has more dynamic piety and acts more often. Removing the amulet reduces your piety by 1/3. 11:51:01 ??faith[2 11:51:02 ru[1/7]: Ru grants great power to adherents who renounce the world by making sacrifices. Worshippers are periodically offered a choice of three sacrifices, and gain piety for accepting one of them. The offers are refreshed more slowly if you ignore them, more quickly with faith. Removing faith causes the next sacrifice to be delayed with no piety loss. 11:51:26 !learn edit amulet of faith s/third/quarter/ 11:51:26 Use: !learn edit amulet of faith[NUM] s/// 11:51:35 good call 11:51:38 !learn edit amulet of faith[1] s/third/quarter/ 11:51:39 amulet of faith[1/2]: Piety increases one quarter faster. Yes, this means you get more gifts. Good gods save you more frequently in 0.16, but no longer in trunk. Xom has more dynamic piety and acts more often. Removing the amulet reduces your piety by 1/3. 11:51:44 What about Goazg? 11:51:54 gozag stuff gets a slight discount 11:52:03 ??gozag 11:52:03 gozag[1/6]: The greedy god of gold. Turns corpses into gold, which gives a distraction status that may cause enemies to lose turns. Lets you use {potion petition}, lets you {call merchant}s, and lets you {bribe branch}es. Does not have a normal piety system. 11:52:38 I think that was removed 11:52:46 !learn edit amulet of faith[1] s/Good.*trunk./Ru offers sacrifices more quickly; Gozag gives slight discounts,/ 11:52:47 amulet of faith[1/2]: Piety increases one quarter faster. Yes, this means you get more gifts. Ru offers sacrifices more quickly; Gozag gives slight discounts, Xom has more dynamic piety and acts more often. Removing the amulet reduces your piety by 1/3. 11:52:51 oh was it? 11:52:59 %git :/[Gg]ozag.*faith 11:52:59 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-999-g95b2ebd: Make faith useless under Gozag 10(7 months ago, 4 files, 17+ 32-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/95b2ebd6e474 11:53:05 ah 11:53:20 !learn edit amulet of faith[1] s/Gozag.*unts,// 11:53:21 amulet of faith[1/2]: Piety increases one quarter faster. Yes, this means you get more gifts. Ru offers sacrifices more quickly; Xom has more dynamic piety and acts more often. Removing the amulet reduces your piety by 1/3. 11:53:31 !learn edit amulet of faith s/ / / 11:53:31 Use: !learn edit amulet of faith[NUM] s/// 11:53:36 ugh 11:53:47 !learn edit amulet of faith[1] s/ / / 11:53:47 amulet of faith[1/2]: Piety increases one quarter faster. Yes, this means you get more gifts. Ru offers sacrifices more quickly; Xom has more dynamic piety and acts more often. Removing the amulet reduces your piety by 1/3. 11:53:49 Yeah, looks like that holds. 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:46 it's not marked as useless for Gozag, but I'll fix that a bit later 12:01:48 the is one quarter still true though? 12:02:07 it was nerfed yeah 12:05:02 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:06:19 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-816-g97f838e (34) 12:07:47 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:55 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:15:20 <|amethyst> hm 12:15:24 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:26 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:16:12 <|amethyst> !source grunt_arrival_lava_bat 12:16:13 Can't find grunt_arrival_lava_bat. 12:16:13 <|amethyst> !source grunt_arrival_lava_bath 12:16:14 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/arrival/simple.des#l1917 12:16:26 <|amethyst> should I put a hatch on the % or mark it no-tele? 12:17:15 -!- mopl_away has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:17:23 |amethyst: I'd say the intent is for player to use flight 12:17:49 well flight or cblink 12:17:50 <|amethyst> presumably 12:18:01 I guess a hatch wouldn't be bad regardless 12:18:09 but no-tele seems v. reasonable either way 12:18:29 oh yeah he has a comment about it 12:18:31 <|amethyst> I guess no-tele would prevent blinking onto the spot 12:18:51 <|amethyst> since there is no distinction between no-rtele and no-ctele anymore 12:18:55 yeah I think it's ok to trade a ?blink for the item, so a hatch seems fine to me 12:19:38 I guess if you do have a hatch, no-tele is just unecessary. so many choices! 12:19:49 <|amethyst> yeah, I think I'll do just a hatch 12:20:11 put a glass wall in between, but on the side with the item 12:20:16 put all sorts of lava monsters 12:20:18 and hellions 12:20:41 <|amethyst> gammafunk: okay, your privilege to write arrival vaults is revoked now 12:21:03 damn, never even wrote one, so never even got on the board... 12:21:06 <|amethyst> :) 12:21:22 <|amethyst> I guess compared to D:1 orb of fire that's not so bad 12:24:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-817-gf98de40: Add an escape hatch in grunt_arrival_lava_bath (steinzeit, SvalbardCaretaker) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f98de40a1668 12:24:29 -!- hurricos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:24:31 Always have an escape hatch nearby to deal with Grunt... 12:27:08 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:27:53 <|amethyst> hm, or was I mistaken about no_tele and blinking? 12:28:40 <|amethyst> I guess I was 12:28:57 <|amethyst> no_tele is only "teleport" and not blink I guess 12:30:27 -!- } has quit [] 12:30:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:34:18 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:38:14 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:53:33 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:11 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:24 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:43 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-818-gd34c221: Mark faith as useless when worshipping Gozag. 10(58 minutes ago, 2 files, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d34c221d5fdc 12:57:05 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01:46 -!- flappity has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:14:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:17:21 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 14:10:22 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:12:27 -!- Sorbius__ is now known as Sorbius 14:16:26 MarvinPA: fair points! Also, arguably rMut should be removed from Alchemist and the silver lajatang and stop existing. Or maybe just stay on silver lajatang. 14:18:15 gammafunk: you might like this rant from ##crawl just now that bcadren added for some reason: 14:18:17 ??lasty[-1 14:18:18 Lasty[5/5]: whatever dude is adding/changing the amulets has a hardon for amulets having some kind of on-removal bad effect which is mostly yellow contamination because he's not creative and thinks that amulet switching is somehow ABUSEABLE 14:18:46 -!- hurdos1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:19:37 don't literally zero of them have contam now 14:20:07 yes 14:20:14 and only one ever did 14:22:16 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:22:36 -!- Kelb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:25:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:25:43 -!- koolguydude has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:31:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:43 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:52 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:43:46 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:44:53 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 14:46:16 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:53:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:53:35 -!- GBudee has quit [Client Quit] 14:56:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:59:13 at least you're not literally hitler, Lasty_ 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:34 amalloy: Did some other dev beat me to being literally hitler???? 15:01:14 This is almost as bad as you beating me in the CSDC 15:01:45 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: bye] 15:02:09 -!- coledot has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:55 wasn't that like the least of what got hurled at DO? 15:03:23 oh jeez 15:03:26 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:05:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:08:52 -!- Jsfh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:09:34 Lasty_: What would rmut be replaced with on alchehat then 15:09:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-819-gb579745: Adjust display of amulet effects on % screen 10(26 minutes ago, 1 file, 45+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b57974555b66 15:09:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-820-gb085b11: Redraw evasion when equipping dismissal 10(22 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b085b11ba59b 15:10:29 Lightli: rStairs? 15:15:30 could give it dismissal? 15:17:09 sure, and harm too! 15:17:25 and gspirit, and faith.... 15:17:25 :D 15:20:16 (harm would actually make people think twice about wearing it!) 15:21:12 I thought the -2 ac would do that 15:21:27 clearly needs a nerf! 15:26:47 -2 AC is a drop in the bucket 15:26:54 25% more damage taken isn't 15:27:48 as always, I like the direction of development 15:28:29 who paid you off? 15:28:55 I worship Gozag 15:29:55 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 15:30:01 you kill quakkas for gold? 15:30:16 that's horrifying 15:30:40 Medar: it's called "livestock agriculture" 15:35:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:40:12 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:40:54 -!- dealpete has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:44:24 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:45:48 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:48:36 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:49:55 -!- Final has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:09:15 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:16 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:11:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:18:43 -!- coledot has quit [Quit: coledot] 16:19:07 -!- Kintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:31 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:28:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:30:46 -!- miek_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:40:38 -!- dpeg has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:10 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:49:20 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:50:50 -!- mamgar has quit [Client Quit] 16:52:46 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:31 Did we have automated butchering at some point (we don't have it now, right??) or am I phantasising already? 17:01:01 i think it's just HDA's rc 17:01:04 isn't that rcfile? 17:01:28 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:01:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02:48 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:03:29 anyway, we should have that by default -- it'd help a lot! 17:03:30 oh, hm, guess it is specific. the rcfile stuff simplifies it but never auto-butchers 17:03:44 field report: curare needles way too cheap 17:03:45 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:04:10 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:04:27 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 17:05:08 (just bought 3 for $23) 17:06:14 you'd think they'd cost some multiple of 3 17:08:59 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:12:48 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:13:10 -!- asdfaf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:16:03 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: hm, does that also need an evasion redraw when vertigo expires? 17:16:11 I'd think they cost 230, not 23 :) 17:23:34 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:24:08 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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should it be? 17:47:01 it seems like the "reason" it applies to shields doesn't apply here, ie that your character can't spin around fast enough to block everything, but if there is a balance reason that it should apply to "reflection anyway it's not hard to rationalize 17:47:10 <|amethyst> it does 17:47:21 <|amethyst> err 17:47:24 <|amethyst> let me double-check now 17:47:34 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:47:46 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 17:47:47 i think it does apply too, but i haven't looked closely and wondered if you'd done it on purpose 17:47:48 <|amethyst> yes, it does, it applies to SH in general 17:47:53 <|amethyst> the thing is 17:48:03 <|amethyst> without that, SH is just EV with a different scale 17:48:11 <|amethyst> (and a few special cases for things like IOOD) 17:48:15 and reflectable! 17:48:18 it should probably behave consistently for all sources of SH yeah 17:48:36 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:52:33 easy enough to see it making sense flavour wise anyway imo 17:53:08 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:54:11 which is exactly what amalloy said, but that line was way too long to read until the end :P 17:54:38 rip reading 17:55:08 blurry vision 17:57:56 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:58:53 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:15 -!- vible has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:56 "scrolls sometimes cause you to panic and totally skip to the next scroll" 18:01:33 Unstable branch on underhound.eu updated to: 0.18-a0-820-gb085b11 (34) 18:01:44 <|amethyst> A: blurry vision 1, test anxiety 3 18:02:49 <|amethyst> I have noticed a peculiar syndrome in my students... 18:03:08 <|amethyst> when we put something in bold in a problem, for example to point out something easily missed 18:03:24 <|amethyst> it appears that it is read *less* than if it had not been in bold 18:03:52 <|amethyst> my hypothesis is that it looks like a section heading, and why would you read one of those? 18:03:54 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:04:49 like an entire paragraph in bold, or some bold words inline 18:05:01 <|amethyst> Like one sentence in a paragraph 18:05:48 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:06:12 |amethyst: it happens with professionals, too (i.e. also applies to us): problem descriptions etc. are not read carefully 18:06:51 <|amethyst> yes, I've been trying to pay attention to whether I skip over bold more than non-bold 18:07:19 <|amethyst> but once the subject is consciously looking for it, you've ruined the experiment 18:08:19 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:08:39 <|amethyst> but actually experimenting on students requires IRB approvals if you want to publish anything, so... 18:09:16 <|amethyst> I didn't go into not-social-sciences so I could spend my days getting IRB approvals 18:12:01 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:16:56 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:17:45 |amethyst: :) 18:22:06 <|amethyst> s/not-social/asocial/ 18:22:08 <|amethyst> :P 18:24:00 -!- agentgt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:28:05 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:29:51 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:30:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:31:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:33:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 18:33:47 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:43 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36:40 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:40:42 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:43 |amethyst: write it in comic sans. then they HAVE to notice it 18:41:02 |amethyst: fwiw i was unaware of your hypothesis and the other day i noticed my eyes fixating straight to the bold text in a paragraph when returning to reading something i had left aside for a while. i'm pretty sure i read it. i remember being annoyed with the author because they bolded too much stuff, and most of it wasn't that important 18:42:02 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 18:43:22 amalloy: now that you say this, I realise I always wondered why sometimes stuff like "e.g." and "i.e." is put in italics. Is there a good reason for this, does it help anybody? I find it very distracting. 18:44:00 is it? 18:44:12 i never really noticed it being italics 18:44:45 dang you're right 18:44:46 <|amethyst> e.g. and i.e. usually aren't anymore in English 18:44:55 <|amethyst> well, maybe not "usually", but "often" 18:44:58 https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/e.g. 18:45:10 <|amethyst> that's about italicising foreign words 18:45:38 <|amethyst> and tends to happen less as the word is absorbed into English 18:45:53 I think they used to be italicized when Latin was generally italicized 18:47:02 |amethyst: yes, but even *so*, *it* puts emphasis *on* something miniscule, almost *as* *if* I bolded all two letter words. 18:47:36 <|amethyst> dpeg: yeah, I would argue that here it's unnecessary because i.e. and e.g. have been absorbed into the native lexicon of written English 18:47:44 as a reckless and disrespectful youngster, i don't bother with any punctuation in or around my ie/eg. they're just two letter words. i'm hoping it will catch on 18:48:52 <|amethyst> dpeg: if they were unfamiliar terms from a foreign language, it might make sense to draw attention to the fact that this sequence of letters should be interpreted with a different parser than usual 18:49:14 amalloy: With severe heartache I also notice you are neglecting your interpunctuation, my young friend. Not only will still spell your professional downfall before long, your spouse will be less than happy and your children inclined towards drugs and violence. Embrace the full stop now, before it's too late! 18:49:26 s/still/this/ 18:49:27 <|amethyst> I just avoid them in my writing 18:49:32 whereas I, as an old man, like to warn people before saying (WARNING: i.e. COMING) i.e. 18:49:48 they used to be; they're still not fully assimilated (note for example the common confusion between "i.e." and "e.g.") 18:49:50 <|amethyst> "for example" "that is" 18:49:51 latin phrase trigger warnings? 18:50:12 dpeg: lmao get rekt Kappa 18:50:15 you wouldn't want anyone to be harmed, would you? 18:50:46 <|amethyst> geekosaur: I think that's more because they're fully assimilated into formal written English, but most people don't speak that as fluently as they do colloquial English 18:50:47 |amethyst: i agree, if i'm writing formally there's generally a better phrasing that doesn't need abbreviations 18:50:56 ...wonder if dpeg knows what Kappa is 18:51:00 I've heard one lecture spell "i.e." as "I E" (the two letters) -- is this common or just some mathematician's quirk? 18:51:12 that's super weird 18:51:20 <|amethyst> is it? 18:51:20 * dpeg does not 18:51:22 yeah that's pretty odd 18:51:23 what do you mean, spell as? like, saying it out loud as the two vowel sounds? 18:51:24 <|amethyst> that seems normal to me in English 18:51:28 that would be normal 18:51:29 amalloy: yeah :) 18:51:49 <|amethyst> gammafunk: you say "id est" and "exempli gratia"? 18:51:54 capital I capital E? That's really weird to me. 18:52:01 I've never seen it beofre 18:52:03 I hae seen that, very rarely, and taken it as the writer knows what they mean but not how to properly write them 18:52:04 <|amethyst> oh 18:52:06 Lasty: dpeg is asking about pronunciation 18:52:18 i think 18:52:19 yes, he spoke them 18:52:29 oh, gotcha 18:52:30 <|amethyst> yeah, in writing capital letters are weird 18:52:35 <|amethyst> unless you're writing in all-caps 18:52:47 In German, it'd be *very* strange to do that with "z.B." or "d.h." 18:52:47 yeah, people normally speak the letters rather than the latin 18:52:56 SO MANY THINGS ON THE INTERNET MAKE ME MAD, e.g PUPPIES 18:53:03 <|amethyst> dpeg: well, the problem is i.e. and e.g. don't stand for English words 18:53:11 <|amethyst> dpeg: I'm sure Latin speakers pronounce them in full :) 18:53:31 |amethyst: before going back to sleep in the aqueducts 18:53:42 yeah. like if someone abbreviates s.t. in a math class, when reading it aloud they'd say "such that" 18:53:45 <|amethyst> though in general I speak them as "that is" or "so"; and "frexample" 18:53:52 but ie and eg are like...initialisms 18:54:08 |amethyst: gotta ask the pope next them I hit on Franciscus 18:54:11 |amethyst: of course, but I often wear laurels and a toga 18:54:11 *time 18:54:24 gammafunk caesar 18:54:52 gammafunk also likes Sif, so excentric behaviour is expected 18:54:56 btw gammafunk did you get my "invitation" the other day? to be a guest on my youtube videos, or have me as a guest on your stream? 18:55:16 <|amethyst> dpeg: when I hear someone speak the abbreviation as you mentioned, it does feel to me like they're reading from their notes 18:55:31 <|amethyst> dpeg: rather than speaking freely 18:55:46 * dpeg feels public discourse needs more hooligans and less academics 18:56:09 <|amethyst> dpeg: you say that, but have you not been following the US presidential race? 18:56:20 <|amethyst> dpeg: public discourse needs fewer hooligans too 18:56:22 I only play GOZAG! 18:56:54 gozag isn't a hooligan. he'll speak latin to you 18:57:05 ... I've been know to say "i.e." or "e.g." in conversation 18:57:11 but then, I do normally do conversations from notes 18:57:14 <|amethyst> I keep tryingv to parse gozag ym sagoz as something 18:57:20 <|amethyst> zogas my gazog 18:57:39 http://blog.dilbert.com/post/126589300371/clown-genius 18:57:47 Gozag says: Pecunia non olet. 18:57:48 only read if you can take a sudden hit of depression 18:57:50 gazog gozag gezig 18:58:00 amalloy: Mundus vult decipit. 18:58:31 amalloy: I did, I meant to send you a reply at some point. I'm not sure how well it would work. That commentary tends to work best for something like a tournament or special competition 18:58:49 It could work for a special kind of run, like trying a new god etc 18:59:19 (I don't think Scott Adams is right: chances for Trump to win are low. But he has irreparably damaged political and other discourse of the US. If you live there, you have my sympathies.) 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:01:15 You guys could get Bernie Sanders instead :) 19:01:45 <|amethyst> several years ago, Žižek argued that we would be seeing, and were in fact in the middle of, a vast political realignment, where left/right, libertarian/authoritarian, etc. become unimportant, and the lines are instead drawn between populists and technocrats 19:01:58 <|amethyst> the Republican party at least is proving him right 19:02:10 <|amethyst> technocrats are still in solid control of the Democratic party 19:02:30 It'd be great if there was a real populist party 19:02:48 |amethyst: the tension between neoliberalism and redistribution is still alive, isn't it? 19:02:54 <|amethyst> dpeg: in the US? 19:02:58 yes 19:03:17 Gozag, you shall not press down upon the brow of labor this crown of thorns. You shall not crucify mankind upon a cross of gold. 19:03:29 <|amethyst> dpeg: I think pretty much only academics and minority activists belive in redistribution 19:03:35 Sanders is what we (Germans, probably most Europeans) would call a Social Democrat, part of his agenda is redistribution of wealth. 19:03:58 <|amethyst> Sanders is on the fringe of the party, and wasn't even in the party when he was in Congress 19:04:36 I know, we follow your preliminaries :) 19:04:43 wow us politics in crawl-dev 19:05:14 If democrats put on Hillary Underwood, you can as well take He Who Will America Great Again. 19:05:18 <|amethyst> there are redistributionists, but they are marginalised by the mainstream Democratic party and by the media 19:05:21 FR: god of free silver 19:05:32 * dpeg wants a silver linen 19:05:52 <|amethyst> and then "christian democrats" like Clinton or Obama are accused of being redistributionists 19:06:14 |amethyst: Bernie is on the fringe of American mainstream political discourse, but has appeal to a wide crosssection of americans 19:06:19 |amethyst: I've observed people call Obama a communist, which is very, very funny for someone growing up in the East Bloc :) 19:07:05 <|amethyst> Lasty: so does Trump :/ 19:07:19 Trump vs Sanders, the shoot-out 19:07:30 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:07:32 |amethyst: I don't think that's true -- Trump mostly appeals to one concentrated group of Americans 19:08:05 I sometimes wonder when/if/how the US will break up. Seems to fragmented from over here. 19:08:12 dpeg: you're not wrong 19:08:27 go to Canada while you can :) 19:08:34 dpeg: I'm hoping that rallying around Sanders will be a transformative moment for the country 19:08:49 Lasty: I will include that in my prayers. (To Gozag.) 19:09:57 Electing Clinton would mean more of the corrupt corporate/imperial crap we've been doing for the last 35 years, and electing any other candidate would mean putting a maniac in charge... 19:10:17 #SMOD2016 19:10:56 trog for president 19:11:11 most of our candidates are channeling Trog reasonably well 19:11:55 <|amethyst> Lasty: isn't it much more exciting than when the choices were just corrupt corporate/imperial crap on both sides?! 19:12:11 |amethyst: yeah!! 19:12:29 amalloy: yes, always 19:13:33 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:14:01 hm, perhaps Clinton vs Bush would be almost as exciting as Sanders vs Trump :) 19:14:03 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:14:10 most of congress are reptilians anyway; it's the god of the draconian high priests we should worry about 19:14:15 I think we genuinely have four choices: corporate/imperialist classic, slightly fascist maniacs, one deeply fascist maniac, or a stubborn social democrat. 19:14:45 Lasty: sounds really like Canada 19:15:34 Lasty: there are multiple corporate/imperialist classics 19:15:52 people who don't agree with you: some form of fascist maniac 19:15:55 wheals: you mean GOD_NO_GOD 19:16:13 ebering: I suppose Jeb! is a classic 19:16:19 yep 19:16:50 I sometimes forget he's real 19:16:56 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 19:16:59 in fact GOD_NAMELESS 19:17:13 GOD_NO_GOD is the god of the godless commies 19:17:32 anyhow I think people in this channel shouldn't quit their their day jobs wrt their plans to lead the country 19:18:12 I just read on wikipedia that East Germany (where I come from) is "perhaps the least religious region in the world". No wonder I was forced into Crawl gods. 19:18:19 you don't like my 0.18 plans for leading this country? 19:18:33 Lasty for president: a shrike in every face. 19:18:35 Lasty: you'd make a fine president! 19:18:47 aw, thanks! 19:18:53 sorry, your plans wouldn't make it out of CYC 19:19:04 <|amethyst> I bet Lasty isn't even 35 19:19:12 to be fair CYC is a bit more reasonable than the house 19:19:13