00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:01:51 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:01:56 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:03:12 hrm 00:03:44 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-801-gb01a236 (34) 00:06:25 b.lightning (3d16), blink 00:06:33 this is possibly the most absurd spell set I've ever come up with 00:12:16 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:13:15 |amethyst: were you planning to commit your weapon aptitude flattening patch? 00:22:26 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:23:31 -!- dealpete_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 00:28:06 Grunt: FR deep elf sparkmages 00:28:12 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-801-gb01a236 (34) 00:34:24 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 00:39:28 !send amalloy chain lightning 00:39:29 Sending chain lightning to amalloy. 00:40:23 Grunt: i'm trying out your new elven halls now 00:40:26 so far liking it 00:41:29 ! 00:41:35 !lm amalloy 00:41:36 6084. [2015-12-14 05:30:38] hyperamalloy the Warrior (L18 MuVM of Gozag) entered the Elven Halls on turn 58890. (Orc:2) 00:41:39 !lm amalloy x=cv 00:41:40 6084. [2015-12-14 05:30:38] [cv=0.18-a] hyperamalloy the Warrior (L18 MuVM of Gozag) entered the Elven Halls on turn 58890. (Orc:2) 00:41:43 !lm amalloy x=vlong 00:41:44 6084. [2015-12-14 05:30:38] [vlong=0.18-a0-781-gf0c3515] hyperamalloy the Warrior (L18 MuVM of Gozag) entered the Elven Halls on turn 58890. (Orc:2) 00:41:46 -!- me is now known as Guest71034 00:41:51 %git 0.18-a0-781-gf0c3515 00:41:51 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-781-gf0c3515: Changelog through 0.18-a0-780-gd1db97e. 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0c3515aca4c 00:42:01 excellent 00:42:05 you're getting the full benefit of newelf 00:44:32 deep elf conjurer (02e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 31-48 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | Vul: 08holy | XP: 602 | Sp: b.fire (3d17), b.cold (3d17), b.lightning (3d16), b.draining (3d17) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:44:32 %??deep elf conjurer 00:44:36 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:44:37 deep elf summoner (07e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 9 | HP: 40-57 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 697 | Sp: blink, sum.vermin | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:44:37 %??deep elf summoner 00:44:40 amalloy: signs point to no 00:48:00 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:54:18 !hs * explbr=faithful 00:54:19 617. heteroy the Farming Annihilator (L27 LaCK of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 12 runes on 2015-01-18 02:41:18, with 5833203 points after 237328 turns and 1d+0:32:54. 00:55:57 I guess that guy wasn't 00:55:59 !glasses 00:56:00 ( •_•) ( •_•)>⌐■-■ (⌐■_■) 00:56:00 LaCKing 00:58:42 !tell ontoclasm did you reduce the La evo apt by 1 like the other classes did? 00:58:43 johnstein: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 00:59:50 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 01:06:12 -!- FireSight has quit [] 01:08:26 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08:56 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:12:22 ontoclasm: does your piety get preserved when you change gods? 01:13:18 I don't know if I've ever switched a god 01:13:27 !lm johnstein mollified 01:13:27 No keyword 'mollified' 01:13:49 !lm johnstein god.mollify 01:13:51 3. [2014-10-25 06:42:21] johnstein the Merfolkian Porcupine (L27 MfSk of Makhleb) mollified Fedhas on turn 136793. (Zot:5) 01:14:01 ...o_O? 01:14:02 ? 01:14:12 !lm johnstein god.mollify 2 01:14:12 !lm johnstein god.mollify 1 01:14:13 2/3. [2012-12-15 23:11:11] johnstein the Martial Artist (L10 MfMo of Fedhas) mollified Fedhas on turn 12243. (D:9) 01:14:14 1/3. [2012-10-30 04:54:02] johnstein the Fighter (L11 OpGl of Okawaru) mollified Okawaru on turn 14759. (D:10) 01:14:34 that MfSk game was a heartbreker 01:14:35 breaker 01:14:59 !lg . mfsk !won x=god 01:15:00 1. [god=Makhleb] johnstein the Merfolkian Porcupine (L27 MfSk of Makhleb), demolished by a golden dragon simulacrum on Abyss:3 on 2014-10-25 07:59:08, with 722999 points after 139629 turns and 21:41:17. 01:15:12 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:17:06 ??nemelex 01:17:06 nemelex xobeh[1/4]: The gambling god. In return for exploring, you get decks of cards, as well as abilities that let you manipulate the decks in your favor. Nemelex abilities use evocations instead of invocations. 01:19:34 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-801-gb01a236 (34) 01:19:40 hm. under what circumstances would I not be able to train invocations while worshiping a god? 01:20:19 your god is a god like nemelex that doesn't use the invocations skill 01:20:31 oh 01:20:36 ??invocations[nemelex 01:20:36 invocations[1/2]: Used by TSO, Beogh, Cheibriados, Dithmenos, Elyvilon, Fedhas, Lugonu, Makhleb, Okawaru, Qazlal, Sif Muna, Yredelemnul, Zin. Not used by Ashenzari, Gozag, Jiyva, Kikubaaqudgha, Nemelex Xobeh, Pakellas, Ru, Trog, Vehumet, Xom. 01:20:38 veh 01:20:40 ??doh 01:20:40 |amethyst[1/22]: <|amethyst> doh 01:20:41 ru 01:20:49 trog 01:20:53 gozag 01:21:01 all gods that don't let you train invo 01:21:05 yea 01:21:11 ??double doh 01:21:11 I don't have a page labeled double_doh in my learndb. 01:21:29 its confusing, because irl god lets you train invocations skill but it doesn't do anything 01:25:16 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27:24 I know this isn't really the most pressing issue, but it's silly that even with Nemelex that plain decks are still only level 0 and ornate decks are still only level 1 01:27:25 max 01:27:56 not much point in having different deck power levels if they aren't different 01:29:01 sure. but it would be nice if there was at least a chance. 01:29:04 ??card power 01:29:05 card power[1/2]: The card power value for non-Nemelexites is (evocations * 9) for plain decks, +150 for ornate decks, +300 for legendary decks. Nemelexites get a bonus of (piety * (evo + 25)) / 27; if the player has Nemelex penance, they instead lose the penance value (to a lower limit of 0). 01:29:37 all that bonus card power is useless for the 3 plain decks that nemelex gifted me 01:30:48 If I want to make changes to a local copy of crawl, should I update the submodules or is that unnecessary if I'm not compiling. 01:31:17 nikheizen: you don't need them if you don't plan to compile, i guess 01:31:17 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 01:31:21 !messages 01:31:21 (1/1) johnstein said (32m 39s ago): did you reduce the La evo apt by 1 like the other classes did? 01:31:31 oop, i did not 01:32:06 ontoclasm: So just set them up when I plan to compile for testing? Gotcha. 01:32:57 yep 01:41:22 gammafunk: would you be interested in appearing as a guest on some youtube episodes, or vice versa on your stream, sometime? i'm not sure exactly what we would talk about, buthaving two people makes it a lot easier to fill airspace 01:41:44 gammafunk is currently streaming 01:41:52 i know 01:42:03 you should hop on twitch and ask him! 01:42:08 but he checks the messages in here and i didn't really want to ask in public 01:42:15 ah 01:42:39 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:42:49 -!- KurzedMetal1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:43:20 i'm waiting for one of you to overlay your talking head in the corner 01:44:01 i don't care for facecams personally 01:44:11 but i can put a static image of gammafunk in 01:44:17 in all my vids 01:44:20 -!- MrScumbag has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:44:46 Yes. 01:44:49 Do that. 01:46:10 03ontoclasm02 07[faithful] * 0.18-a0-755-g09f31cb: -1 La evo apt 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/09f31cb51907 01:46:10 03ontoclasm02 07[faithful] * 0.18-a0-756-g40e656f: La dummy monster description 10(14 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/40e656f4ea94 01:46:18 shouldn't gammafunk actually get a random sequence of everchanging tiles 01:47:12 ontoclasm: all these "La" commit messages make you sound like some pretentious faux-french guy 01:47:18 ontoclasm: fyi: the branch doesn't build automatically. has to be retriggered manually (available via ??rebuild) 01:48:14 okay 01:48:24 (none of these actually matter much) 01:48:48 i guess -1 evo apt is an actual change but the others are just cosmetic 01:48:49 heh. well I'll just be training evo like mad 01:48:53 :) 01:54:28 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-801-gb01a236 01:58:30 when you move slower, is your chance of being detected higher? 01:58:53 eg if monsters get 1.0 chances to detect you normally, do chei worshippers get 2.0 chances per step 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:22 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:31 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 02:01:34 chequers: no 02:01:46 it's one chance per action you take, i think 02:07:54 ??stealth[4 02:07:54 stealth[4/7]: Each time *you* take an action (no penalty for nagas), each monster in LOS has an (x) in (stealth) chance of noticing you, where x = 22 + HD ... +4 for smart, -4/-8/-12 for animal/insect/plant, +5 for sense invis, +50 for Glow, -10 if hibernating, +10 if "dormant" rather than sleeping, -75 if you are invisible to the monster. x cannot go below 1. 02:10:07 ta 02:10:18 i was considering the hat of ponderousness 02:10:26 on an op 02:11:02 everytime I ponder that people smack me 02:11:18 but I feel like there's certainly *some* situation out there where it makes sense 02:11:32 (sans chei) 02:12:14 hat of pondering is okay on some characters 02:17:08 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:17:15 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:07 -!- Shard1697_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:29:46 so i just had a thought: what if the > into zot, and then all the > within zot, sealed behind you 02:30:00 so once you enter zot you can't press < until you get the orb. is this awful or great? 02:30:21 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:32:09 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:32:22 Why? 02:33:01 To prevent players pre-emptively clearing the lungs? 02:33:03 so make zot:5 a portal vault... 02:33:18 so that zot is actually the final area of the game; you can't walk in there early for xp or whatever 02:33:25 and you can't stairdance it 02:33:48 it's very anticlimactic when someone clears zot for xp and then just leaves the orb sitting there 02:34:04 you could just make the stuff in zot durable or something if xp is the concern :v 02:34:19 Do people often clear Zot for XP? Sounds silly. 02:34:20 orbrun begins on zot:1 02:34:32 when you enter zot, you spawn on zot:5 02:34:46 i sometimes clear z:1-4 for xp before going to hell or whatever 02:34:50 you must climb up to zot:1 to leave!!! 02:34:55 and there's so much xp in zot 02:35:15 CanOfWorms: i've heard that proposed for tomb 02:35:24 so the argument is make the entirety of zot a portal? 02:35:31 instead of just :5 02:35:31 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:35:46 i guess so, if you want to phrase it as a portal 02:38:05 !tell Grunt once i was in elf i didn't really notice the difference between the various elf mage spellbooks. maybe just because i had fairly even resists 02:38:06 amalloy: OK, I'll let grunt know. 02:39:41 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:42:12 -!- molotove has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:43:14 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:05 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 02:49:05 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. 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ZZZzzz…] 05:39:44 -!- MIBE has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:41:42 !tell Lasty I hope this makes you laugh more than it makes you cry, but you're a big deal on 4chan: "Daily reminder that he subsists on ruining your gameplay experience.and likely doesn't even play much, let alone any good at the game." 05:41:43 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 05:42:11 lots of insight to be found from our dear /vg/ 05:44:38 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:45:05 /rlg/ is better 05:45:28 oh wait that's part of /vg oops 05:45:54 there are some really good 4chan rants today; I check like once every 3 mo. and there wasn't much to see 05:46:53 I'm often surprised by what people think of as being a big deal 05:47:45 I don't think I've ever cared much about amulets besides rage or faith once in a while. I mean if the entire class of items had just been removed I'm sure I wouldn't care much 05:54:33 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:54:41 <|amethyst> Grunt: re branch container, if we didn't mind using more of Travis's CPU time, we could just build sdl2 as a contrib 05:56:02 <|amethyst> Grunt: (or build everything as a contrib always, then we can remove two targets per compiler) 05:59:19 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:00:34 <|amethyst> I still haven't been able to access Travis 06:01:00 <|amethyst> maybe they stopped supporting my browser version 06:01:22 <|amethyst> suppose I should upgrade that at some point 06:01:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:01:56 <|amethyst> but sid and I haven't updated packages in months and I have way too many packages installed 06:09:15 |amethyst: sounds like a fun upgrade waiting for you 06:09:35 <|amethyst> johnny0: I always budget a whole day for upgrades 06:09:50 wise 06:10:28 I remember when I used to run sid for desktop...things broke a lot 06:10:30 <|amethyst> more for things like the systemd transition :) 06:10:32 sometimes even with just testing i had some not-so-fun reboot experiences 06:11:08 of course that intel graphics acceleration bug that made xorg crash at random was about as bad as running sid 06:12:15 <|amethyst> at the moment I can't run 3D programs 06:12:22 <|amethyst> for very long 06:12:36 <|amethyst> I think it's my hardware, but could be the driver 06:12:53 ouch... i can't use opencl in testing/sid so i'm on jessie for now 06:14:14 some pretty good enchancements in the newer kernels though :( 06:21:30 -!- beogh has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:22:34 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:25:38 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:26:54 <|amethyst> thoughts on making jiyva offlevel eating use dactions so it doesn't have to load levels at random times? 06:27:25 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:33:57 -!- WhodaMan has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:35:52 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:37:51 <|amethyst> would have to estimate piety gain 06:40:18 -!- Lucasterio has joined ##crawl-dev 06:44:32 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 06:49:10 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:49:50 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52:12 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:53:45 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:54:14 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07:42 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:16:12 -!- Final has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:19:15 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:32:23 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:32:52 -!- FatShack has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 07:33:48 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:45:06 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:52:59 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 07:53:21 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:55:33 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:00:00 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:03:38 -!- Shard1697_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:17:27 -!- AreBrandon has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:46 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:38:38 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 08:44:45 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:46:09 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:48:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49:32 -!- mopl_ is now known as mopl 08:51:04 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 08:51:58 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:53:57 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-802-g7c849c7: Fix including a crash log link in WebTiles message. 10(14 minutes ago, 2 files, 18+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c849c7f28be 08:57:49 -!- nikheizen has joined ##crawl-dev 08:59:36 Hello. I am trying to add an item, but getting tripped up when compiling for testing because it can't find the corresponding image: Error (dc-item.txt:774): couldn't load image 'i-dimanchor'. It's an amulet 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:05 sure you have the latest version? 09:00:07 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:16 I already edited the enum in both dcitem.txt and itemprop enum 09:00:38 sounds like you have the dcitem.txt entry wrong 09:00:39 oh, misunderstood 09:00:49 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:01:18 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 09:01:43 the amulet image entries don't have "i-" as a prefix 09:01:46 that's for weapon brands 09:02:00 ah for ided ones 09:02:07 Yes 09:02:12 but my guess if the necessary file 09:02:17 isn't in item/amulet 09:02:56 Oh that's exactly it 09:02:59 thanks 09:04:04 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:04:40 here's a bug, when an ocs casts mass confuse behind transparent stone at a monster also behind said stone 09:04:44 I get confused as well 09:05:06 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:05:34 yeah it just looks at mons->can_see() 09:06:00 !source monster::can_see 09:06:00 Can't find monster::can_see. 09:06:05 !source mons::can_see 09:06:05 Can't find mons::can_see. 09:06:20 !source can_see 09:06:20 1/2. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/actor-los.cc#l35 09:06:41 I see other spells also work like this 09:06:50 mons can see would just check if you can see the ocs, not for 'real' LOS right? 09:06:56 seems like it'd need to do an los check that allows passing grates 09:07:16 but not allow transparent walls 09:07:50 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:07:52 oh there's a little key gizmo in los_type def, nice 09:09:22 seems I want LOS_NO_TRANS 09:09:41 there is actor::see_cell_no_trans 09:09:48 ah, nice 09:10:11 well it seems to me we should use that, but I wonder if there are any weird effects 09:10:37 Wait- why wouldn't it work through transparent stone? 09:11:01 it's just a hex 09:11:16 draining gaze already doesn't work through it 09:11:24 and that's a "gaze" 09:11:36 almost nothing is supposed to work through glass 09:11:48 That's kind of counter-intuitive, but ok. 09:11:50 as it would be annoying and abusable 09:11:50 basically it'd not good when actors can target/affect other actors through transparent stone 09:11:53 yes 09:12:06 it's not so much a realism thing as it is a sanity thing 09:12:21 this only happened because I made a neutral ocs to have it kill a hostile human 09:12:39 normally hostile ocs would refuse to target me 09:12:52 but it was targetting the human, and I happened to be in its los 09:12:53 the miracles of bugtesting 09:13:09 probably the same would happen if I had hostile ocs targetting friendly human 09:14:19 I'm seeing a lot of checks for can_see() that probably should be using cell_no_trans() as well 09:14:44 how does the spell find the targets? wonder if it should use a different iterator in the first place 09:15:37 actually I'm not sure at all how those work 09:15:51 Medar: yeah, although for these LOS things they could be targetting something that passes cell_no_trans() 09:16:02 but something that doesn't which they can also see gets the effect 09:17:20 let's see if I can fix these 09:17:29 ah, I see there are two parts 09:17:39 the check whether to abort, and then the picking of targets 09:18:13 should the monster_near_iterator use a different LOS type? 09:18:56 possibly, I guess for vast majority of (all?) purposes it shouldn't be going through glass 09:19:51 Medar: I see battlecry does actually use the LOS_NO_TRANS version 09:20:05 yeah, lots of things use LOS_NO_TRANS 09:21:31 I do see some other things to fix up 09:21:47 like the check for whether to recall enemies counts monsters even if they're behind glass 09:21:50 certainly seems like something to go through 09:22:35 maybe that function shouldn't have default LOS 09:23:08 <|amethyst> default should be no_trans 09:23:15 that's the other option yeah 09:23:28 <|amethyst> the only time you want "default" opacity is when determining actual visibility 09:23:34 <|amethyst> for messages and for drawing 09:23:44 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-803-ge30ccbe: Revert "Mark the Elf:3 vault enemies as patrolling." 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e30ccbe4b174 09:27:46 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:29:44 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:29:48 ok so I'll modify those iterators accordingly 09:30:16 oh those are monster_iterator, not monster_near_iterator 09:31:48 -!- mopl has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:32:14 -!- mopl_ is now known as mopl 09:34:07 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 09:38:01 What if a wand of digging was guaranteed to spawn in Elf:$? 09:38:25 Could I implement that just by changing the vault maps around? 09:41:41 yes, you could add it to the loot pile 09:41:57 we'd not merge any patch you submitted that did this, of course 09:42:16 but if you just mean for your own local modifications, yeah that's how you'd do it 09:42:22 Yes. 09:42:33 Is it a Bad Idea? 09:42:36 yeah 09:42:51 not a good way of addressing whatever you're trying to address 09:43:08 No probably not 09:43:13 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-804-g0949297: Improve WebTiles text cursor message sending. 10(6 days ago, 3 files, 26+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0949297fbe5d 09:43:13 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-805-gcd5a7e3: Send message area size to WebTiles client. 10(21 hours ago, 4 files, 49+ 19-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cd5a7e32739e 09:43:34 WebTiles buffs! 09:44:25 I've been thinking that we should split WebTiles server to it's own repo 09:45:04 just the server, any portions of the js? there's the "app" and the "client" 09:45:07 the game client rather 09:45:36 just the server, webserver directory, but not webserver/game_data 09:45:40 and then the front-end app js that does stuff like chat and the url managing 09:45:55 ah ok, well that's the app portion of the js 09:46:03 right 09:46:14 it's pretty clearly a separate piece of software, can run multiple versions etc. 09:48:56 well, we can certainly do that, but that in of itself doesn't help us with the issue of upgrading the server and app js in a clean way 09:49:01 maybe it doesn't and I just don't see how 09:49:22 thinking of dgl installs and how there's not really support for "webtiles upgrade" in dgl scripts etc 09:49:34 and the non-dgl server admins have been rolling their own things 09:49:46 yeah, it would need some work on server side of course 09:50:03 but I think all of those things would end up being cleaner, if crawl trunk and webtiles server weren't bundled 09:50:18 I guess we would keep webtiles as a submodule then? 09:50:38 unless you mean making it so that it runs outside of the tree altogether 09:50:57 I don't think so, but I have no clue what submodules do 09:51:12 yeah, it would just be it's own separate thing 09:51:13 submodules are like how we have crawl-sdl2 etc 09:51:36 their own repos, with a specific ref to pull managed in the crawl repo 09:52:11 they're their own independent repos, but inside of the crawl repo the submodule system points to e.g. crawl-sdl2 and know the current ref it should check out 09:52:29 yeah, I don't see the need for that 09:52:39 that works less well when said ref is a moving target though 09:52:42 right 09:53:39 I guess we really have enough support for having the crawl directory not anywhere related to the webtiles directory 09:53:56 I'm forgetting the dir structure dgl stuff uses, and thinking more locally, but local installs aren't the issue 09:55:13 I think the webserver directory is already copied away from the rest in DGL scripts 09:57:00 yeah isn't it that the webserver/game_data directory and the necessary js stuff from webserver/static are copied 09:57:05 https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/blob/szorg/chroot/sbin/install-trunk.sh 09:57:11 just not the py files of the server itself 09:57:34 cp -r source/webserver/game_data/. $DATADIR/web 09:57:35 cp -r source/webserver/!(config.py|game_data|templates) $WEBDIR 09:57:50 data file to one place, new webtiles server to another place 09:58:41 yea, I think that in the past, when webtiles updates, I generally need to do some manual shenanigans to sync up 09:58:50 and I've been behind and not known it a few times 09:58:59 hrm, yeah that actually copies everything except config.py really 09:59:11 which requires a webtiles restart if any of the py change 09:59:14 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:59:17 yea. that's a bummer 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:10 everytime I want to fix a typo (like in the experimental descriptions) I try to wait till late night to minimize crashing a bunch of games 10:00:32 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:00:53 anyhow, I guess for this plan to work, you're going to have to modify dgl scripts to know about this new repo? 10:01:47 presently any trunk update gets all the app js changes, at least, and if that stuff is moved to the new repo 10:02:15 sure 10:03:00 I can help test on dbro. probably safer than dragging all the other servers into production testing 10:03:05 I guess my gripe about this is that the app and the game client are pretty closely coupled 10:03:43 now you'll need to go between repos to work with the source of the two 10:03:46 -!- dealpete has joined ##crawl-dev 10:03:58 not the biggest deal though 10:04:41 I think them being closely coupled is pretty bad 10:05:16 so making it clear that they are very separate entities is just a good thing 10:06:50 that may be, but we're not undertaking said redesign to make them less coupled, and I'm not sure that redesign will happen any time soon 10:07:11 I can see the reasoning for the repo seperation all the same, maybe if |amethyst doesn't have any concerns about dgl and server maintenence in general 10:07:41 neither will anything else, unless that stuff is dealt with 10:11:10 -!- Guest71034 has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:11:36 yeah, I'm not sure about all of this, but this would seem like a reasonable first step to start making sense of things 10:12:07 but of course if nothing else happens, then it's just work for very little benefit I guess 10:12:35 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:14:20 is there some existing plan on landing webtiles-changes? 10:21:21 I'd like to know too. I'm using it on dbro but I know I haven't exhaustively tested it yet. also, I keep thinking that loading games is slower and sometimes I have to try to load twice before it loads successfully. but I haven't taken the time to come up with reliable reproduction steps for a big report 10:21:39 bug 10:22:09 I think there are probably a lot of issues with the new app in that branch 10:22:41 there's also a lot of reorg and changes to webtiles server, a new config format, not all of which is really dgl ready 10:23:10 I'm thinking it would probably be easier to test and switch if the server was a separate thing 10:23:13 dbro is using dgl 10:23:44 I don't think even dbro is using the HEAD of webtiles-changes 10:24:05 it's nearly identical to cbro. I do like the new config file 10:24:27 yea it's not. last time I asked if I should update I was told to hold off for a bit 10:25:07 would it make sense to cherry pick from it? if we are going to make a change that forces server updates, it could also include new config files for example 10:25:51 -!- archaeo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:26:06 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:27:10 -!- Zekka_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:29:20 Medar: you'd have probably too many commits to cherry pick 10:29:26 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:29:32 there's a ton of commits related to that 10:29:40 but yeah it could certainly be done 10:29:40 hmpf 10:30:05 you could create a new, better system! 10:30:22 I wouldn't claim we implemented the ideal config system, just one more flexible than config.py 10:32:13 gammafunk: is it worth updating dbro to latest webtile-changes? 10:32:40 well, it's been so long now that I'm not sure what issues you'd run into 10:32:45 %git webtiles-changes 10:32:45 07gammafunk02 * 0.16-a0-3867-g0f660ed: Require an http option and set in the default config (mrwooster) 10(10 months ago, 3 files, 13+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0f660edf8b4d 10:32:54 nearly a year since the last commit 10:33:41 isn't that the point of using it on dbro? to determine and assess the issues we run into? 10:34:22 johnstein: that only works if someones listening to make any changes based on those issues :) 10:34:50 edlothiol hasn't been around to kind of lead the project 10:35:40 right now the things it supports: reloading game configs without restart (based on a signal), reloading server config without restart (based on a signal) [not tested in practice], server scoring display, player title display 10:36:14 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:36:19 and then the app has been rewritten based on jsx/react, but it's only really gone as far as the lobby 10:36:45 the game client is unchanged 10:37:06 and in the new app there are all sorts of nice little improvements with the ui, but it's really just not complete 10:37:07 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:13 oh and there's support for "janitor" commands that can show the results asyncronously, for something like a rebuild script or an "install experimental branch" script 10:39:23 but even actually getting the install branch thing would require probably some more work on that janitor functionality 10:39:36 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:39:41 so yeah there's all these changes and refactorings kind of all over, and there's a lot of work to finalize it 10:40:15 at one point mumra was back and talking about how to maybe reimplement the game client, but he vanished again :( 10:41:16 hrm, for grins and giggles, let me try to merge master 10:41:30 there have been webtiles changes, but nothing *too* major... 10:42:50 (if this is the last you ever hear of me before I do this, I'd like to leave my GhMo^Pak to Grunt, and amalloy can have my twitch followers) 10:42:59 wheals gets nothing 10:44:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:46:50 leave him the contents of your fridge 10:49:28 hrm, did the compat process handler get replaced with this dglless one? 10:50:12 hm, I think removed the compat one? 10:50:15 %git :/compat 10:50:15 07ebering02 {PleasingFungus} * 0.18-a0-726-g39dfc0c: Multiple holiness save compatibility and debug messaging 10(12 months ago, 3 files, 45+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/39dfc0cd9180 10:50:42 webtiles-changes removed the other one? I can't remember 10:51:01 * Medar checks 10:51:34 %git f8ac9ad4 10:51:35 07Medar02 * 0.17-a0-1943-gf8ac9ad: Remove compatibility mode from the WebTiles server. 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 15+ 155-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f8ac9ad4bc2c 10:51:35 yeah the commit I see removed the compat one 10:51:50 %git cc30b765 10:51:50 07Medar02 * 0.17-a0-1941-gcc30b76: Fixes to WebTiles when run without dgl_mode. 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc30b765a1e5 10:52:07 oh wtc probably just doesn't have this handler and trunk does 10:52:20 the dglless one I mean 10:52:27 not sure why wtc dropped it 10:52:42 well no-one uses it I guess 10:52:53 yeah, ok, so I can fix up this conflict then 10:53:51 %git 2453b6dc1 10:53:51 07edlothiol02 * 0.15-a0-734-g2453b6d: Webtiles: Remove non-DGL mode. 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 4 files, 39+ 78-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2453b6dc18fd 10:55:33 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:55:46 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:56:26 ah, great 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:48 %git 7966c2b62e07b68d1a50683ef169171aa47ac649 11:01:48 07Medar02 * 0.17-a0-2019-g7966c2b: Fix handling of key presses to cancel stale process purging. 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 17+ 22-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7966c2b62e07 11:01:54 this one I need to figure out a bit 11:03:23 IIRC game_keypress event isn't sent at that point, so it had to be moved to the general keydown handler 11:03:39 might have been fixed in webtiles-changes already somehow 11:07:33 yeah I'm leaving in those two checks for the visible components before any state processing 11:07:44 if they're not needed and this branch goes anywhere, they can be removed 11:08:58 oh, is stale process even still a thing? haven't really looked in to -changes, but I think it allows multiple connection to the same process 11:10:00 Crash when evoking deck of wonders (Mercenary card) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10176 by nicooo 11:10:30 !blame Grunt 11:10:31 I pronounce Grunt... Guilty! 11:14:40 I'm finding amulet of guardian spirit listed as both AMU_GUARDIAN_SPIRIT and AMU_SPIRIT_SHIELD. Should this be the case? 11:16:04 !rng bug feature 11:16:04 The RNG chooses: feature. 11:19:08 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-806-g2fe005c: Don't display spurious "None" when listing Dith powers. (#10164) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2fe005cbf5ae 11:19:37 nikheizen: listed where? 11:20:29 itemprop-enum.h and dc-item.txt respectively. 11:21:51 seems like a bug 11:21:59 wasn't spirit shield a different amulet that got removed? (was a unrand iirc) 11:23:33 this seems to be just about the normal amulet tile 11:24:33 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:16 I think the dc-item.txt value doesn't actually do anything. 11:25:46 Otherwise there would be a problem! 11:26:48 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:28:03 yeah, those are just accessed with: return TILE_AMU_ID_FIRST + type - AMU_FIRST_AMULET; 11:28:06 I think 11:28:28 (from tileidx_item function) 11:28:39 does the abyssal rune have a FORCE_MORE? 11:29:07 !source messages.txt 11:29:07 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/defaults/messages.txt 11:29:23 yes 11:29:57 usually pretty hard to miss anyway, as it tends show up in a vault (or does always?) 11:29:58 cool, thanks. wanted to make sure since I've noticed that normal runes no longer stop autotravel on sight 11:30:56 !lm Wensley x=urune 11:30:57 1691. [2015-12-14 16:22:07] [urune=14] Wensley the Conqueror (L27 TrMo of Qazlal) entered the Abyss! (Depths:4) 11:31:08 almost there :) 11:31:31 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 11:31:41 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-807-g68d89f5: Use correct constant for an amulet tile. (nikheizen) 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/68d89f5ee996 11:32:27 maybe those constant should be checked somehow, no clue how that code works though :) 11:34:10 I see that autoexpore works in the abyss now, weird 11:34:23 it's not very efficient though 11:35:01 usually better to pick a direction and walk there 11:38:19 -!- mopl is now known as mopl_away 11:43:02 like autoexplore is efficient outside the abyss? 11:44:54 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 11:45:55 -!- Mike57 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:53:23 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:55:10 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:15 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:05:57 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:07:34 geekosaur: elsewhere your priority isn't to gtfo as fast as possible 12:08:29 Medar: does gspirit amulet not exist any more? 12:08:55 it does 12:09:31 oh, i see what you meant 12:09:37 they just go by enum 12:14:49 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:15:09 -!- mopl_away has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 12:16:58 03gammafunk02 07[webtiles-changes] * 0.18-a0-523-gda08339: Merge branch 'master' into webtiles-changes 10(26 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/da083391b9f1 12:17:01 I'm confused as to the disparity between in-game turncount and sequell turncount 12:17:05 !lg 12:17:06 No games for Wensley_. 12:17:09 !lg wensley 12:17:11 334. Wensley the Conqueror (L27 TrMo of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-12-14 17:12:43, with 11087821 points after 150809 turns and 1d+9:34:34. 12:17:22 in-game this said the turncount was ~139k when I ascended 12:17:32