00:00:01 sry 00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:08 the ui for leaving them is so nice! 00:00:28 PleasingFungus: bug spotted 00:00:30 sounds like it's trying to pretend to be a review system 00:00:31 ebering: you should receive email for them 00:00:34 PleasingFungus: doom hounds can howl 00:00:35 while 00:00:36 silenced 00:00:38 that's intended 00:00:42 that makes no sense. 00:00:49 it's a mental howling, since it echoes in your mind 00:00:50 chequers: it's not my branch!! 00:00:53 I just need to improve the messaging 00:00:57 then-- yes 00:01:00 this is my remaining todo item 00:01:05 neil made it a branch in main, I have no fancy + sign 00:01:09 I'll toss something ugly up real fast 00:01:15 ebering: hm, I thought it would pick you up as a committer 00:01:19 you already tossed something ugly up 00:01:19 <.< 00:01:47 PleasingFungus: ebering: this is where the comments actually live https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3ee88ef7e167586f3c8eb54f2d1fafe55ae77354 00:02:11 I think that's only two of the comments 00:02:13 maybe the fact |amethyst committed it is why you didn't get emails. now I'm at the edge of my github-fu 00:02:14 Grunt: rude :( 00:02:26 three of four 00:02:28 o 00:02:43 it does pick me up as an author 00:03:01 !xxx Grunt 00:03:01 gammafunk casts a spell. 9 tentacled monstrosities appear! The tentacled monstrosity tentacle-slaps Grunt! x9 00:03:05 !tornado gammafunk 00:03:05 Grunt gestures wildly while chanting. A great vortex of air appears and lifts Grunt up! gammafunk is engulfed in raging winds. 00:03:17 sadly the comments seem to depend on line numbers but are at the bottom and I can't make much sense of them 00:03:39 -!- FireSight has quit [] 00:04:17 !source simple_monster_message 00:04:18 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/message.cc#l1717 00:04:20 the link I gave shows the comments inline 00:05:21 how do you find these? 00:05:27 the web interface is very opaque 00:05:42 https://github.com/notifications 00:05:58 should show them for you. But it might be showing them to |amethyst instead 00:06:18 the fact you didn't get email notifications suggests it is considering |amethyst the "owner" of these commits 00:06:27 oh I can see them now 00:06:44 in-line 00:06:54 sorry for all the trouble... 00:06:58 I was just trying to help.... 00:07:06 @??hellion 00:07:06 hellion (042) | Spd: 12 | HD: 7 | HP: 24-51 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 10 | 05demonic, 10doors | Res: 06magic(60), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 386 | Sp: hellfire burst (3d15) [06!sil] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:07:09 Sorry, you are beyond help. 00:07:11 * Grunt ducks. 00:07:58 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 00:07:58 PleasingFungus: the one comment about surely should be &MH_EVIL is very helpful now that I can read it! 00:08:13 hahaha 00:08:58 okay, is the quote for doom hounds a joke based on the fact that "no se" and "nose" are the same letters 00:10:20 I sincerely don't remember what quote I added. 00:10:21 oh 00:10:24 do you mean the wolf quote 00:10:28 yeah 00:10:33 could be. I don't know spanish! 00:10:38 i got confused 00:10:47 well, (i think) i don't know in spanish is "no se" 00:11:05 PleasingFungus: as for putting holinesses in mon-data, it isn't redundant with holiness() because one of the goals of the patch is to decouple holiness from what spells are known 00:11:09 <|amethyst> It doesn't make sense to me unless it's supposed to be an English teacher 00:11:18 yeah, hm 00:11:28 vive la foret 00:11:35 ebering: but you're still using spells known. 00:11:41 as far as I could tell. 00:11:44 I'm using spells that could be known 00:11:59 some of them have an evil spell only in one of their books 00:12:19 actually it's "is not" 00:12:25 so communicating holiness to players would leak which book that monster had 00:12:37 uh 00:13:07 ugh 00:13:11 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/195 * 0.18-a0-610-ga3bb478: Twisted demonspawn. 10(17 hours ago, 3 files, 19+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a3bb47883973 00:13:11 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/195 * 0.18-a0-611-gd73068f: Remove some dprf spam. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d73068f228ab 00:13:53 ebering: so you have code in monster::holiness() 00:13:56 oh 00:13:56 that checks for spells 00:14:03 probably that should be removed! 00:14:08 ok. 00:14:11 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:14:22 SGTM. 00:14:35 I will double check and then put a pr on the branch 00:14:43 SGTM? 00:14:55 <|amethyst> sergeant major 00:15:03 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:15:09 its one of the ranks below developer 00:15:13 I think I got a promotion just now 00:15:20 ah, se vs. s 00:15:26 Spanish can be so fun sometimes... 00:15:35 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-621-gc15b795: Shade a howling lamp. 10(34 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c15b795745f8 00:15:59 Grunt: ^ 00:16:04 (one is third person, the other first person) 00:16:12 (for ser and saber) 00:16:40 !send PleasingFungus a silent howl 00:16:40 Sending a silent howl to PleasingFungus. 00:17:08 these wounds! they will not heal! 00:17:20 because there's a flayed ghost around the corner 00:17:23 what would allen ginsberg think 00:18:00 why doesn't crawl have a Moloch? 00:18:21 !lg * killer=natasha 00:18:23 12384. comborobin the Ducker (L3 DrAE), mangled by Natasha on D:2 on 2015-12-04 05:15:14, with 32 points after 1302 turns and 0:02:10. 00:18:24 gozag 00:18:25 !lg * killer=natasha -2 00:18:25 12383/12384. comborobin the Ducker (L3 DrAE), blasted by Natasha (magic dart) on D:2 on 2015-12-04 05:12:42, with 58 points after 1647 turns and 0:01:27. 00:18:30 ^ this is an accomplishment imho 00:18:43 <|amethyst> "Makhleb", "Moloch", close enough 00:18:48 !lg . killer=natasha 00:18:49 3. ontoclasm the Firebug (L3 FeFE), slain by Natasha on D:4 on 2015-11-07 06:01:20, with 66 points after 2776 turns and 0:06:50. 00:18:49 |amethyst: I'll take it 00:19:01 <|amethyst> Makh used to demand you pass your children through the fire 00:19:03 ontoclasm: I'm just impressed by two in < 5 minutes 00:19:08 <|amethyst> but has since reformed 00:19:10 aha 00:19:18 <|amethyst> and only requires you to pass your enemies through the fire 00:19:31 hell, doesn't even require that these days 00:19:31 what about your enemies' children 00:19:32 <|amethyst> but not their corpses, that's tedious 00:20:07 <|amethyst> Or perhaps Makhleb still wants sacrifices 00:20:16 <|amethyst> but the mortal races have forgotten how 00:20:23 BLOOD AND SOULS 00:20:30 |amethyst: what about the immortal races? 00:20:38 <|amethyst> only a few druids of Fedhas have kept alive the memories of the old ways 00:21:06 <|amethyst> Grunt: they forgot because they were too busy scumming OODs 00:21:10 maybe makhleb still wants sacrifices but doesn't worry too much about the ritual as long as you say FOR THE GLORY OF MAKHLEB when you kill a guy 00:21:16 trog worshippers don't really do tradition. it's hard when you have a life expectancy best measured in hours 00:21:42 Important: someone should really write a description for dragon mask some day. 00:21:43 and now I'm remembering the idea I had for Forest Tomb back when Forest was 00:21:52 <|amethyst> followers of Ashenzari mock the old ways 00:22:03 -!- cryptsting has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:22:04 <|amethyst> by offering scraps of paper rather than flesh 00:22:13 well 00:22:16 paper is kind of like tree flesh 00:22:17 as to Trog, I think "You scream and you leap." :p 00:22:31 elm sacrifice 00:22:44 or at least the tree equivalent of beef jerky 00:22:45 <|amethyst> nicolae-: it's more like tree hide 00:22:54 that's even worse 00:22:57 <|amethyst> nicolae-: and I guess you enchant that and get scrolls = tree armour 00:23:13 fr enchanting a scroll = potion of lignification 00:23:46 i'm making a bunch of art nobody will ever see 00:24:01 hm, are scrolls paper or animal skin? 00:24:11 possible exception: some guy who will hate it all 00:24:19 paper i think 00:24:23 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:24:24 ontoclasm: what are you arting 00:24:28 is there a canonical answer? 00:24:33 could be ambiguous 00:24:46 nicolae-: icons for the local-tiles skill menu 00:24:53 ah 00:24:59 so... i'll see them, maybe 00:25:14 weren't there scrolls of paper in past versions 00:25:20 i made different versions of the UC icon depending on what kind of hands you currently have 00:25:20 o 00:25:22 true 00:25:27 ontoclasm: that's so cool 00:25:29 ontoclasm: lol, nice 00:25:30 I love those kinds of touches in games 00:25:43 so felids get an adorable kitty pawprint 00:26:15 maybe i could do different invo icons for each god :Y 00:26:42 well, i guess if you want to draw all those icons 00:26:56 hah 00:27:04 -!- qoala has joined ##crawl-dev 00:28:17 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-619-g89c329e (34) 00:29:05 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 00:31:24 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 00:32:20 main problem is i can't think of what to draw for fighting or spellcasting 00:32:49 a muscleman and a bookworm 00:32:52 <.< 00:32:57 abs 00:33:12 but musclewizards! 00:33:32 musclewizards presumably have both of those skills 00:33:34 :) 00:34:25 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:28 learn add BATTLEMAGE MUSCLEWIZARD 00:37:00 ontoclasm: those tiles could be in webtiles too 00:40:32 -!- xczxc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:40:32 !lg * p !experimental won 00:40:35 3. RBrandon the Brilliant (L25 KoAM of Pakellas), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-12-04 01:10:34, with 1621376 points after 63874 turns and 5:07:51. 00:40:40 !lg * p !experimental won s=name,char 00:40:41 well, that's be up to someone cleverer than i 00:40:44 that'd* 00:40:45 3 games for * (p !experimental won): RBrandon (KoAM), darkli (DDFi), chequers (MiFi) 00:40:58 hm 00:41:00 !seen |amethyst 00:41:00 I last saw |amethyst at Fri Dec 4 05:22:56 2015 UTC (18m 3s ago) saying 'nicolae-: and I guess you enchant that and get scrolls = tree armour' on ##crawl-dev. 00:41:08 |amethyst: do we do any regexing anywhere? 00:41:21 stash search, lots of rc options 00:41:32 depending on compilation options I think 00:42:04 -!- Jessika has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:42:05 I'm looking at slightly improving wiz character-from-dump functionality 00:42:09 it handles rods very badly 00:42:33 -!- fiyawerx_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:42:42 it also seems to assume that items can't have a plus larger than 9, which is interesting, considering randarts. 00:42:55 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:30 PleasingFungus: you only get regex if REGEX_POSIX or REGEX_PCRE are defined at compile time 00:44:37 but I think all builds would reasonably have one or the other 00:44:44 could someone look at pr 194? It's failing an assert at line 1729 because killer shouldn't be KILL_YOU_CONF in arena mode 00:44:44 windows gets PCRE, not sure what os x gets 00:44:45 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:45:01 I'm at a loss for the Right Way to do it 00:45:08 vs. an ugly hack 00:46:02 probably pcre as well 00:46:12 New branch created: pull/196 (8 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 00:46:12 03ebering02 {|amethyst} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 * 0.18-a0-602-g3ee88ef: Turn mon_holy_type into a bitfield. 10(11 months ago, 47 files, 238+ 275-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3ee88ef7e167 00:46:12 03ebering02 {|amethyst} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 * 0.18-a0-603-g58cf1d5: Multiple holiness save compatibility and debug messaging 10(11 months ago, 3 files, 45+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/58cf1d5c0d39 00:46:12 03ebering02 {|amethyst} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 * 0.18-a0-604-gd8bedb1: Multi-holiness flags for priests/wizards 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 25+ 25-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d8bedb125e47 00:46:12 03ebering02 {|amethyst} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 * 0.18-a0-605-gf638443: Turn special cases into multi-holiness bits. (ds, plants, crabs, beasts) 10(11 months ago, 5 files, 24+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f638443e52ad 00:46:12 03ebering02 {|amethyst} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 * 0.18-a0-606-g1b9b1a3: Don't let shapeshifters become demons 10(11 months ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1b9b1a3c8614 00:46:12 03ebering02 {|amethyst} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 * 0.18-a0-607-g7666b7b: Expose holiness to clua correctly as a bitfield. 10(7 weeks ago, 5 files, 83+ 18-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7666b7b3ebc1 00:46:12 03|amethyst02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 * 0.18-a0-608-g587eab5: Fix whitespace and braces. 10(10 hours ago, 8 files, 6+ 20-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/587eab567bfc 00:46:12 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/196 * 0.18-a0-609-ged89fc5: Fix and remove (PleasingFungus) 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed89fc5b0ed2 00:46:47 -!- luukano has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:47:14 !remove ebering 00:47:18 wow, Fix and remove PleasingFungus? it was about time 00:47:40 to quote Dwarf Fortress: It was inevitable. 00:48:10 <|amethyst> ebering: maybe (me.who == KC_YOU || me.who == KC_FRIENDLY && !crawl_state.game_is_arena()) ? 00:48:33 <|amethyst> ebering: though since that's pretty long and would appear twice, maybe that should be a function or at least a variable 00:49:10 |amethyst: I like that 00:49:15 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:49:34 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 00:50:13 ok, so on any unix os you always get posix regex 00:50:35 <|amethyst> gammafunk: unless you make USE_PCRE=y 00:50:50 |amethyst: yeah, I was wondering, and maybe you know the answer to this, just when you'd get neither 00:51:01 do we have any actual builds that don't get regex support? 00:51:20 <|amethyst> what if you did a Windows build without contribs? 00:51:20 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:28 right, but that's...well I guess it's possible 00:51:40 install all those contrib libraries yourself 00:51:40 <|amethyst> but I wouldn't mind removing support for that 00:52:05 chequers: i have no clue how javascript works :[ 00:52:38 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:52:52 PleasingFungus: so to finally answer your question, there shouldn't be any build without regex support, but you can't assume it's PCRE 00:53:36 I guess crawl-sepecific support is in the functions in pattern.cc 00:53:40 *specific 00:53:47 er 00:54:02 oh yeah, there are these classes and other fancy gizmos 00:54:05 also how do you draw "conjurations" 00:54:07 <|amethyst> I would like to make PCRE required or at least default on Unix 00:54:10 the existing one is like 00:54:13 a cow skull for some reason 00:54:45 ? 00:54:53 oh, you mean in the skill menu 00:54:56 yeah 00:55:03 |amethyst: yeah, that seems reasonable/nice 00:55:23 just make it like 00:55:26 an energy arrow 00:55:35 I'm not really sure what the most important qualitative differences are though 00:55:42 look-ahead|behind matches? 00:55:42 hm, i'll try 00:55:46 http://puu.sh/lILye/1ad4eace71.png 00:55:59 mm 00:56:03 <|amethyst> huge ant buff coming up 00:56:07 gasp 00:56:10 nethack ants? 00:56:13 I bet the perl char classes are a lot better 00:56:14 go team ant 00:56:26 not sure if posix requies all those [:letter:] thingies or w/e they are 00:56:36 *requires 00:56:45 Go team a! 00:56:58 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-622-g3413534: Allow FoFi to start with a quarterstaff. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/341353481df2 00:57:17 @??formicid 00:57:17 formicid (03a) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 31-53 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 228 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 00:57:31 whoever heard of a green ant 00:57:34 <|amethyst> gammafunk: Posix does, but who knows whether your "posix RE" library is actually Posix if you're on some weird old Unix system 00:58:03 -!- tedric has joined ##crawl-dev 00:58:12 <|amethyst> then again, who knows whether Crawl would even build there 00:58:17 yeah our Weird Old Unix support in general probably isn't..yes 00:58:40 There is an open FreeBSD compilation bug somewhere 00:58:47 <|amethyst> we have had some commits to support Solaris 00:58:50 <|amethyst> oh, is there still? 00:58:55 can anyone tell me which commit actually added Pakellas to trunk? please and thanks 00:59:01 hrm, let me see if I can find 00:59:04 a lot of them 00:59:08 it was merged from a branch 00:59:11 <|amethyst> ah 00:59:16 <|amethyst> #7646 00:59:22 <|amethyst> !bug 7646 00:59:22 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7646 00:59:23 yes 00:59:26 <|amethyst> that's just weird 00:59:33 <|amethyst> it's flex both ways 00:59:33 search for initial pakellas enum 00:59:37 <|amethyst> not BSD lex 00:59:37 or something like that 00:59:40 <|amethyst> so why 00:59:45 that was the first pakellas commit 00:59:49 thanks! 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:11 isn't 2.5.4 more recent than what most systems have? 01:00:17 <|amethyst> no 01:00:25 well I have 2.5.39, for instance 01:00:26 <|amethyst> 1996-09-10 Vern Paxson 01:00:26 <|amethyst> * NEWS: release 2.5.4 01:00:29 ahhh 01:00:41 heh, 39 > 4 01:00:48 Stable (0.17) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c 01:00:48 aka 4 is not 40 01:01:05 <|amethyst> yeah, did they not teach you version math in elementary school? 01:01:21 I was at home, playing video games again...sigh 01:04:09 <|amethyst> flex 2.5.0 is old enough to drink (in the US) 01:04:27 <|amethyst> as of a week or two ago 01:05:03 * PleasingFungus flexes. 01:05:27 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:05:55 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-623-gb763cd8: Improve wizmode dump rod loading 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 41+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b763cd82df40 01:08:32 dump rod loading... 01:08:51 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:09:18 gammafunk: yeah I thought someone would appreciate that 01:09:33 also that's a commit that's easy to improve if someone wants to mess with regexes 01:09:35 I invite all comers! 01:09:40 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:09:44 Man, if we could fully load chars from morgues 01:09:53 or at least a lot more fully 01:10:16 it's a lot better than it used to be 01:10:21 someone (doy?) did a bunch of work on it 01:10:27 maybe a year ago 01:10:35 hrm, what all can it load now? 01:10:48 equipment, god+piety, skills, level 01:10:52 ah 01:11:02 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/194 * 0.18-a0-608-g5d41b8d: Fix an arena mode assert (|amethyst) 10(84 seconds ago, 1 file, 8+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5d41b8db3a1b 01:11:04 even artes? 01:11:08 I should check it out 01:11:09 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c 01:11:09 some randarts 01:11:13 it does jewelery 01:11:21 not sure about others 01:12:30 %git f87b446f537d61ba902acce9665fb1a922376a72 01:12:30 07elliptic02 * 0.18-a0-599-gf87b446: Mark stone stairs as known if you have seen both ends of them. 10(15 hours ago, 4 files, 48+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f87b446f537d 01:12:35 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8540 01:12:55 huh 01:12:57 I never pushed my fix for that 01:13:01 moot now, you're right 01:13:23 ...it's not moot by my understanding? 01:13:30 oh 01:13:49 isn't it? 01:13:53 I was going to say there may be a weird interaction with this bug, but now that I think about it there probably isn't 01:13:57 but I don't think this change fixes that bug either 01:14:29 the shaft bug means you'll have an upstairs marked as used, even though you may have never seen the other side of it 01:14:36 yeah, it doesn't remove the old marking functionality 01:14:39 Stable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c (34) 01:14:46 even though it probably should, since that seems redundant now under non-buggy circumstances 01:15:06 right, that's one way to fix it 01:15:43 I wonder if I could find my old fix 01:15:46 and if it'd even applyu 01:15:59 (I think shafting onto a down staircase marks it used as well but I can't think of a way to test this that isn't annoying) 01:16:04 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:16:22 <|amethyst> can you shaft onto a down staircase now? 01:16:37 <|amethyst> I think escape hatches always land on DNGN_FLOOR 01:16:39 Just removing the "mark staircase as used when you change levels onto it" functionality would fix the bug, and presumably be okay because of the linked commit 01:16:54 yeah 01:16:58 but 01:17:00 I have no idea, but it happened to me in a game 1.5 years ago so I reported it 01:17:08 if we implemented elliptic's other suggestion, then we'd have the same bug 01:17:22 hrm 01:17:25 <|amethyst> yeah, that was what I was just thinking 01:17:27 <|amethyst> but 01:17:30 <|amethyst> if we do implement that 01:17:32 the formicid self-shaft ability was useful after all, without it this bug never would have been found! 01:17:34 <|amethyst> we can implement it fresh 01:17:50 I think the fix wasn't hard, I just didn't have any way to test it 01:17:54 I should've pushed it 01:17:56 hrm 01:19:13 gammafunk: I think I'm leaning against pushing oni. an invisible pain-branded draining/miasma monster isn't especially mechanically coherent, and I don't think there's really a big niche that it's waiting to fill. 01:19:25 maybe 'really fat invisible monster'? is that a niche? 01:19:39 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-623-gb763cd8 (34) 01:19:45 -!- waat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:19:59 i agree that oni as currently implemented don't sound interesting enough 01:20:11 -!- Dustbina has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:20:28 yeah, invis, negative energy attacks is pretty well covered by vampire monsters 01:20:34 hrm 01:20:37 @??vampire_mage 01:20:37 vampire mage (06V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 42-70 | AC/EV: 12/10 | Dam: 15, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 858 | Sp: b.draining (3d18), sum.undead, invisibility, vampiric draining | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:20:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:20:46 @??vampire_knight 01:20:47 vampire knight (10V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 51-88 | AC/EV: 19/7 | Dam: 33, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1354 | Sp: blink close, paralyse, haste, invisibility, vampiric draining [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | I.. 01:20:54 wow, blink close 01:21:08 PleasingFungus: greater unseen horror 01:21:24 miasma cloud in some form is cool 01:21:35 PleasingFungus: heh, give doom wolves miasma breath 01:21:38 they'd be considerably fatter than vampire knights, for whatever that's worth 01:21:50 wow, rude. 01:21:59 yeah they would, although we do already have a pretty good dist of undead monsters by difficulty 01:22:18 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-623-gb763cd8 (34) 01:22:19 well, specifically at the upper end maybe less so..hrm 01:22:24 @??shadow_dragon 01:22:24 shadow dragon (06D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 17 | HP: 108-147 | AC/EV: 15/10 | Dam: 2013(drain), 1509(claw), 1509(claw) | evil, cold-blooded, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold++, 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++ | Vul: 08holy | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 2064 | Sp: b.draining (3d24) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 01:22:34 -!- xtwv has quit [Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds.] 01:22:40 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:22:50 those aren't undead ofc, but that's not as important probably; more the flavor of attack 01:23:22 @??revenant 01:23:23 revenant (10L) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 67-92 | AC/EV: 8/12 | Dam: 26 | 07undead, 10doors, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1923 | Sp: ghostly fireball (3d23), spectral cloud, dispel undead (3d27), blink away [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 01:23:39 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:23:56 !lg * ikiller=revenant 01:23:57 241. ironycurtain the Ducker (L1 DEAK of Lugonu), blasted by a revenant (ghostly fireball) on Abyss:1 on 2015-12-02 19:32:48, with 0 points after 90 turns and 0:01:09. 01:24:03 !lg * ikiller=revenant s=br 01:24:03 241 games for * (ikiller=revenant): 162x Abyss, 37x Crypt, 20x Zig, 11x Tomb, 9x Vaults, 2x Hell 01:24:14 yeah those have never been super effective 01:24:21 !lg * ikiller=ancient_champion 01:24:21 154. henryci the Ruinous (L27 TeWz of Vehumet), blasted by an ancient champion (orb of energy) on Crypt:3 (quadcrypt_mu) on 2015-12-03 02:02:58, with 649943 points after 112143 turns and 11:48:10. 01:24:26 !lg * ikiller=ancient_champion s=br 01:24:26 154 games for * (ikiller=ancient_champion): 49x Crypt, 34x Vaults, 15x Zig, 13x WizLab, 12x Tomb, 12x Abyss, 8x D, 5x Depths, 4x Hell, 2x Dis 01:24:41 @??ancient_champion 01:24:41 ancient champion (11z) | Spd: 10 | HD: 14 | HP: 63-77 | AC/EV: 24/7 | Dam: 32 | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(120), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2181 | Sp: b.draining (3d21), stone arrow (3d21), haste / b.venom (3d18), haunt / iron shot (3d26), pain (d15), haste / mystic blast (3.. 01:25:24 !lg * ikiller=revenant br=crypt s=ckaux 01:25:24 37 games for * (ikiller=revenant br=crypt): 22x ghostly fireball, 7x by dispel undead, 7x, spectral mist 01:25:43 ??ghostly_fireball 01:25:43 ghostly fireball[1/1]: Like a fireball, except partially resistable by rN and checks only half AC. Heals undead caught in the blast instead of hurting them (3d10 for monsters, 2d9 for players). 01:26:07 interesting 01:26:21 !lg * current br=crypt s=ikiller% 01:26:21 59 games for * (current br=crypt): 5x an ancient lich (8.47%), 5x (8.47%), 5x the fury of Okawaru (8.47%), 5x a phantasmal warrior (8.47%), 4x a lich (6.78%), 3x a vampire mage (5.08%), 3x a revenant (5.08%), 2x an ancient champion (3.39%), 2x a reaper (3.39%), 2x the rage of Trog (3.39%), 2x an eidolon (3.39%), 2x the player character (3.39%), 2x a greater mummy (3.39%), 2x a curse skull (3.39%),... 01:26:39 !lg * cv>=0.16-a br=crypt s=ikiller% 01:26:40 517 games for * (cv>=0.16-a br=crypt): 62x an ancient lich (11.99%), 45x the fury of Okawaru (8.70%), 32x a lich (6.19%), 31x (6.00%), 26x a phantasmal warrior (5.03%), 23x a jiangshi (4.45%), 23x the rage of Trog (4.45%), 19x an ancient champion (3.68%), 19x a curse skull (3.68%), 18x a revenant (3.48%), 16x Khufu (3.09%), 15x a vampire mage (2.90%), 13x a vampire knight (2.51%), 10x a necromance... 01:26:54 gammafunk: yeah, shadow dragons are what I kept going back to 01:26:54 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 01:27:08 they feel like the same tier of threat and very similar in most respects 01:27:42 minmay: I'm just going to apply my 1.5 year old fix 01:28:19 since I *think* the bug will also have other weird effects on autopathing 01:28:23 *autotravel 01:28:24 PleasingFungus: please make a new crypt monster that personifies "the wrath of okawaru" 01:28:33 since that's already one of the most effective things in crypt 01:28:39 wow, oka wrath is way down 01:28:53 !lg * cv<0.16-a br=crypt s=ikiller% 01:28:53 1782 games for * (cv<0.16-a br=crypt): 204x an ancient lich (11.45%), 108x (6.06%), 106x a skeletal warrior (5.95%), 99x a lich (5.56%), 90x a vampire knight (5.05%), 88x the fury of Okawaru (4.94%), 76x Khufu (4.26%), 65x Boris (3.65%), 54x a curse skull (3.03%), 50x Margery (2.81%), 45x Frederick (2.53%), 44x Mennas (2.47%), 30x an ancient champion (1.68%), 30x the rage of Trog (1.68%), 27x a ji... 01:28:57 hm 01:29:10 !lg * cv<0.16-a cv>=0.14-a br=crypt s=ikiller% 01:29:11 433 games for * (cv<0.16-a cv>=0.14-a br=crypt): 61x the fury of Okawaru (14.09%), 38x an ancient lich (8.78%), 24x a lich (5.54%), 22x a curse skull (5.08%), 20x (4.62%), 20x a vampire knight (4.62%), 19x the rage of Trog (4.39%), 18x an ancient champion (4.16%), 17x Khufu (3.93%), 17x a jiangshi (3.93%), 17x a revenant (3.93%), 13x a necromancer (3.00%), 11x Sojobo (2.54%), 10x a phantasmal warr... 01:29:14 gammafunk: wraith of okawaru 01:29:14 there we go 01:29:27 -!- luukano has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:29:39 ontoclasm: some kind of weird cursed spirit that just gives you random god wraths 01:30:13 A God Wraith comes into view. 01:30:54 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-624-g88d910b: Fix shafting onto stairs (8540) 10(63 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/88d910b4a6a7 01:31:18 gammafunk: call it the Meta 01:31:31 Meta Knight? 01:31:34 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.18-a0-625-ge805ef5: New skill icons 10(8 seconds ago, 47 files, 25+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e805ef5870fd 01:32:06 I never metaknight 01:32:12 honestly, i'd kind of rather just buff (all) vampires a bit 01:32:21 since they are ~always popcorn by the time you see them anywhere 01:32:41 ontoclasm: hats!!! 01:32:45 um 01:32:49 vampire knights are rude as hell 01:32:56 they do not need buffs 01:33:09 vampire knights are maybe okay 01:33:11 vampire magi I could go either way on, vampires I'd be fine with buffing and/or moving somewhere shallower 01:33:17 although still on the slightly weak side 01:33:20 Swol Vampires 01:33:21 or removing 01:33:33 regular vampires and vampire mages are way too weak for where they are placed 01:33:40 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 01:33:41 The build has errored. (wand_stacking - cf47df3 #4048 : Steve Melenchuk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94786133 01:33:41 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 01:33:44 in case you want to see what they look like: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/skills/skills.png 01:33:47 I mean 01:34:09 ontoclasm: looks really nice 01:34:14 heh, dodging. 01:34:14 (that's a troll so claw UC 01:34:25 feels like that could be antialiased a bit, maybe? 01:34:28 also, is wand stacking really a thing we are doing 01:34:34 the tail of the dodging things 01:34:35 i am really not a fan 01:34:46 doy: yeah I'm not sure about this, but I don't understand the commit either 01:35:10 PleasingFungus: i dunno if i can even use alpha 01:35:11 it reminds me strongly of elemental evoker stacking, but I haven't looked at the commit beyond the title 01:35:20 these are done via some weird mask juju 01:35:25 mask juju... 01:35:26 imo try 01:35:32 i'll give it a shot 01:35:33 should be simple to test 01:35:45 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:36:00 love that poison magic btw 01:36:02 well at the very least pakellas should allow it 01:36:10 since it's an inventory nightmare otherwise 01:36:21 what happens when you abandon 01:36:30 all your wands fall from inventory 01:36:36 I like Stealth. Masked Ball magic. 01:37:35 charms is... a wedding ring??? 01:37:36 !tell Grunt "As someone currently running a DDFi of Pakellas, it's kind of hilariously overpowered..." http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3750248&perpage=40&pagenumber=29#post453432398 01:37:36 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let grunt know. 01:37:40 oyster? 01:38:04 !send CanOfWorms lava 01:38:05 Sending lava to CanOfWorms. 01:38:09 (or vice versa) 01:38:12 mmm, lava cake 01:39:27 CanOfLavaWorms 01:39:42 @??lava worm 01:39:42 unknown monster: "lava worm" 01:39:45 rip 01:40:09 "I am so happy about this. I love this god design." --WorldFamousWhore 01:40:46 hey, I'll have you know that's the Orb of Zot speaking! 01:40:55 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:41:41 no that quote was from WorldFamousWhore 01:41:58 o 01:42:00 a few posts later 01:42:03 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:42:15 sry 01:43:23 would have been pretty funny if tmut was the davinci pose, except with a cat/octopus as appropriate 01:44:02 hah 01:44:10 dunno if i can fit that in there 01:44:27 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 01:45:17 ugggggh 01:45:19 it works 01:45:25 that means now i have to antialias everything 01:45:35 somebody remove this functionality 01:45:37 nice. 01:45:58 BadIdea (L14 DsMo) (Orc:4) 01:46:09 <|amethyst> !crashlog 01:46:10 12527. BadIdea, XL14 DsMo, T:21742 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/BadIdea/crash-BadIdea-20151204-064556.txt 01:46:27 <|amethyst> oh, I never did look into the exclude bug 01:46:29 !tell greensnark The cwz server admin hong is asking me if we have any backups of the logfile and milestone files for version before 0.17, since he accidentally deleted the folders of older versions back when he was setting up for tourney. He knows .cs and player setttings are lost, just wants to know if we have any logfile/milestone backups 01:46:30 gammafunk: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 01:46:35 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:47:34 <|amethyst> !crashlog -2 01:47:34 No milestones for -2 (crash). 01:47:37 <|amethyst> !crashlog * -2 01:47:38 12526/12527. edsrzf, XL24 DDFi, T:47769 (milestone): https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/edsrzf/crash-edsrzf-20151204-062634.txt 01:47:39 <|amethyst> !crashlog * -3 01:47:40 12525/12527. monkeypoo, XL1 GrFE, T:76 (milestone): https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/monkeypoo/crash-monkeypoo-20151204-052615.txt 01:48:00 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:48:36 BadIdea (L14 DsMo) (Orc:4) 01:48:43 !tell greensnark Also, the base url for the logfile and milestone files are now http://webzook.net/soup/ instead of http://webzook.net:82/trunk/ 01:48:43 gammafunk: OK, I'll let greensnark know. 01:49:04 that probably will require updating various sources in sequell as well 01:49:08 ??options guide 01:49:08 rcfile[1/3]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/options_guide.txt 01:49:32 no option for disabling ctrl-f hitting carried items yet? 01:49:39 since it also affects rc files and morgues 01:49:44 !cmd &rc 01:49:44 Command: &rc => =eval $(=rc.helper $*) 01:49:48 !cmd =rc.helper 01:49:49 Command: =rc.helper => !lm ${1:-.} fmt:"\$(concat (ignore ${2}) (=bot_prefix ${*:-${src}}))rc ${name} \$(version_fixup ${2:-${v}})" stub:"No milestones for $(name_fixup ${1:-${user}})." 01:50:20 &rc . cwz 01:50:21 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-cwz/gammafunk.rc 01:50:26 heh 01:50:31 &rc . trunk cwz 01:50:32 ?rc gammafunk trunk 01:50:43 guess that just doesn't work at all for non-botted servers 01:50:48 !cmd &dump 01:50:48 Command: &dump => !lm ${1:-.} fmt:"\$(=morgue_link ${2:-${src}} \$(if \$(match -a ${3:-${cv}}) trunk ${3:-${cv}}))/${name}/${name}.txt" stub:"No milestones for $(name_fixup ${1:-${user}})." 01:50:53 !cmd =morgue_link 01:50:53 Command: =morgue_link => .echo $(let (base (car (split | (nth 1 (split ${1}> (=morgue_link.list ${2:-trunk})))))) (if (bound? base) $base unknown)) 01:50:59 !cmd =morgue_link.list 01:50:59 Command: =morgue_link.list => .echo >unknown|cao>http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata|cbro>http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue|cdo>http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/${1:-trunk}|clan>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cpo>https://crawl.project357.org/morgue|cszo>http://dobrazupa.org/morgue|cue>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cwz>http://webzook.net:82/|cxc>http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/... 01:51:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:51:33 this list is a bit problematic, since it's so long that it eventually won't be able to be set in irc 01:52:12 -!- MercurialAlchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:52:43 Kaelii (L15 FeEn) (D:15) 01:52:51 <|amethyst> !crashlog 01:52:52 12530. Kaelii, XL15 FeEn, T:31619 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Kaelii/crash-Kaelii-20151204-065244.txt 01:52:58 !cmd =morgue_link.list .echo >unknown|cao>http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata|cbro>http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue|cdo>http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/${1:-trunk}|clan>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cpo>https://crawl.project357.org/morgue|cszo>http://dobrazupa.org/morgue|cue>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cwz>http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/|cxc>http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/m 01:52:58 Redefined command: =morgue_link.list => .echo >unknown|cao>http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata|cbro>http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue|cdo>http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/${1:-trunk}|clan>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cpo>https://crawl.project357.org/morgue|cszo>http://dobrazupa.org/morgue|cue>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cwz>http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/|cxc>http://craw... 01:53:04 orgue 01:53:07 god dammit 01:53:07 like now, for instance 01:53:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7: Don't crash when setting cloud exclusions. 10(64 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb0fed705383 01:53:46 guess I need to use the old version and cwz is going to be broke until we refactor that somehow 01:54:27 !cmd =morgue_link.list .echo >unknown|cao>http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata|cbro>http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue|cdo>http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/${1:-trunk}|clan>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cpo>https://crawl.project357.org/morgue|cszo>http://dobrazupa.org/morgue|cue>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cwz>http://webzook.net:82/|cxc>http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue 01:54:28 Redefined command: =morgue_link.list => .echo >unknown|cao>http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata|cbro>http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue|cdo>http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/${1:-trunk}|clan>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cpo>https://crawl.project357.org/morgue|cszo>http://dobrazupa.org/morgue|cue>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cwz>http://webzook.net:82/|cxc>http://crawl.xtahua.... 01:54:32 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-625-ge805ef5 01:54:44 Kaelii (L15 FeEn) (D:15) 01:54:59 <|amethyst> rebuilding cszo 01:55:00 Kaelii (L15 FeEn) (D:15) 01:55:08 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src 01:55:09 12533. [2015-12-04 06:55:04] [src=cszo] Kaelii the Bewitcher (L15 FeEn of Sif Muna) (D:15) 01:55:10 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -3 01:55:10 12531/12533. [2015-12-04 06:53:48] [src=cpo] edsrzf the Grand Gadgeteer (L24 DDFi of Pakellas) (Elf:3) 01:55:11 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -4 01:55:12 12530/12533. [2015-12-04 06:52:44] [src=cszo] Kaelii the Bewitcher (L15 FeEn of Sif Muna) (D:15) 01:55:12 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -5 01:55:13 12529/12533. [2015-12-04 06:49:55] [src=cpo] yottam the Shooter (L3 HuWn) (D:1) 01:55:13 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -6 01:55:14 12528/12533. [2015-12-04 06:48:34] [src=cue] BadIdea the Fighter (L14 DsMo of Trog) (Orc:4) 01:55:16 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -7 01:55:17 12527/12533. [2015-12-04 06:45:56] [src=cue] BadIdea the Fighter (L14 DsMo of Trog) (Orc:4) 01:55:19 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -8 01:55:19 12526/12533. [2015-12-04 06:26:34] [src=cpo] edsrzf the Grand Gadgeteer (L24 DDFi of Pakellas) (Elf:3) 01:55:22 <|amethyst> !crashlog -6 01:55:22 No milestones for -6 (crash). 01:55:26 <|amethyst> !crashlog * -6 01:55:27 12528/12533. BadIdea, XL14 DsMo, T:21721 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/BadIdea/crash-BadIdea-20151204-064834.txt 01:55:51 Kaelii (L15 FeEn) (D:15) 01:56:04 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -9 01:56:04 12526/12534. [2015-12-04 06:26:34] [src=cpo] edsrzf the Grand Gadgeteer (L24 DDFi of Pakellas) (Elf:3) 01:56:06 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -10 01:56:07 12525/12534. [2015-12-04 05:26:15] [src=cpo] monkeypoo the Firebug (L1 GrFE) (D:1) 01:56:08 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -11 01:56:09 12524/12534. [2015-12-04 05:18:30] [src=cpo] monkeypoo the Firebug (L3 GrFE) (D:1) 01:56:10 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -12 01:56:10 12523/12534. [2015-12-04 04:16:19] [src=cpo] yottam the Shooter (L3 HuWn) (D:1) 01:56:11 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -13 01:56:12 12522/12534. [2015-12-04 04:14:31] [src=cpo] yottam the Shooter (L3 HuWn) (D:1) 01:56:13 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -14 01:56:13 12521/12534. [2015-12-04 04:11:12] [src=cpo] oggy the Thaumaturge (L11 DECj of Vehumet) (D:10) 01:56:16 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=src -15 01:56:17 12520/12534. [2015-12-04 04:04:43] [src=cpo] yottam the Shooter (L2 HuWn) (D:1) 01:56:18 !tell elliptic Not sure if you have a good idea for this, but I need to change =morgue_link.list to use http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/ for cwz from its current one, but when I make that change the command is too long to set in irc 01:56:18 gammafunk: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 01:56:21 <|amethyst> okay 01:56:26 Kaelii (L15 FeEn) (D:15) 01:56:27 <|amethyst> rebuilding CSZO and CUE 01:56:33 i can crash as many times as you like 01:56:45 i heard it was fixed but i still trigger it :X 01:56:47 https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/yottam/crash-yottam-20151204-064955.txt 01:56:55 !crash * cbro 01:56:56 262. WingedEspeon, XL15 OgBe, T:23568 (milestone): http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/WingedEspeon/crash-WingedEspeon-20151123-071549.txt 01:56:58 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7 (34) 01:57:12 <|amethyst> yottam: that's a different crash that I *just* fixed four or five minutes ago 01:57:24 <|amethyst> yottam: CPO will rebuild within 15 minutes or so 01:57:28 |amethyst: awesome thanks :) 01:59:23 feamirim (L3 DsBe) (D:2) 01:59:55 <|amethyst> CUE still rebuilding 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:30 Kaelii (L15 FeEn) (D:15) 02:04:43 woo i can see fire pits again 02:05:43 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7 (34) 02:07:38 -!- } has quit [] 02:10:04 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:11:13 Kaelii (L15 FeEn) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in stone_wall at (52,12) (D:14) 02:12:10 <|amethyst> !crashlog Kaelii 02:12:11 7. Kaelii, XL15 FeEn, T:32772 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Kaelii/crash-Kaelii-20151204-071117.txt 02:12:47 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.18-a0-627-g923d68d: Antialias a bunch of skill icons 10(4 seconds ago, 18 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/923d68da22a4 02:12:50 Kaelii (L15 FeEn) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in stone_wall at (52,12) (D:14) 02:13:05 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:13:18 now somebody make those work in webtiles 02:13:27 * ontoclasm cracks his whip! 02:14:59 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:17:21 <|amethyst> hm 02:17:46 <|amethyst> they just cast summon forest 02:18:23 it looks like sack of spiders was accidentally buffed with the P branch 02:18:25 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/383a95c7c413de0ce9e6ca62bc2ba6a3934dfe9b#diff-de220cabee4ea04d08a92a1e07603c03R1114 02:18:30 random2(2) became random2(3) again 02:18:30 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:19:40 !blame3 Grunt 02:19:40 Gruuuuunt 02:23:14 03gammafunk02 07* 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad: Restore the spider count in sack of spiders (DrKe) 10(85 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c02dfadd3281 02:23:18 DrKe: thanks 02:24:47 -!- Mercuria1Alchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30:13 -!- Stendarr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:31:51 <|amethyst> !tell wheals another crash related to clouds: something, maybe summon forest, ended up causing a cloud to be in a wall !crashlog kaelii 8 02:31:52 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 02:32:34 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~cloud.*_in_.*_at 02:32:34 25. [2015-12-04 07:12:49] Kaelii the Bewitcher (L15 FeEn of Sif Muna) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in stone wall at (52,12) (D:14) 02:32:37 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~cloud.*_in_.*_at -3 02:32:37 23/25. [2015-12-04 03:56:54] edsrzf the Grand Gadgeteer (L23 DDFi of Pakellas) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock wall at (2,16) (D:11) 02:32:45 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~cloud.*_in_.*_at -3 -log 02:32:46 23/25. edsrzf, XL23 DDFi, T:45611 (milestone): https://crawl.project357.org/morgue/edsrzf/crash-edsrzf-20151204-035654.txt 02:33:29 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~cloud.*_in_.*_at -4 02:33:29 22/25. [2015-12-04 03:56:17] edsrzf the Grand Gadgeteer (L23 DDFi of Pakellas) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 496: cloud black smoke in rock wall at (2,16) (D:11) 02:33:29 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~cloud.*_in_.*_at -5 02:33:32 21/25. [2015-09-28 19:45:12] starmstar the Prestidigitator (L16 MuMo of Gozag) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 544: cloud flame in tree at (0,0) (Swamp:1) 02:33:40 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~cloud.*_in_.*_at -6 02:33:45 20/25. [2015-03-23 22:40:39] Kolbur the Spry (L27 KoAK of Lugonu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 501: cloud flame in metal wall at (42,43) (Geh:7) 02:33:51 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~cloud.*_in_.*_at -6 -log 02:33:53 20/25. Kolbur, XL27 KoAK, T:68971 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Kolbur/crash-Kolbur-20150323-224039.txt 02:33:54 <|amethyst> !lm * crash noun~~cloud.*_in_.*_at -7 02:33:59 19/25. [2015-01-16 15:46:10] Pikaro the Hoplite (L23 GrFi of Lugonu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 501: cloud flame in rock wall at (39,37) (Vaults:5) 02:35:01 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:03 <|amethyst> !tell wheals then again, summon forest might be a red herring: !lm edsrzf crash 7 02:35:03 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 02:35:28 <|amethyst> err 02:36:10 static (L19 KoAr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thin mist in tree at (10,32) (Swamp:1) 02:36:25 <|amethyst> !tell wheals oops, !lm edsrzf crash 3 -log 02:36:25 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 02:36:26 static (L19 KoAr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thin mist in tree at (10,32) (Swamp:1) 02:36:29 <|amethyst> !crashlog static 02:36:30 2. static, XL19 KoAr, T:36906 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/static/crash-static-20151204-073630.txt 02:36:45 does pak's energy surge improve the chances on a hex wand working? 02:36:51 yes 02:36:56 if it does, that's not reflected in the displayed percentage yet 02:36:57 static (L19 KoAr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (36,27) (Lair:6) 02:37:04 that's because the enhancer is random 02:37:15 so it can't actually predict the success rate 02:37:20 static (L19 KoAr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thin mist in rock_wall at (10,32) (Lair:5) 02:37:31 it's a chance to get 1-3 enhancers 02:37:57 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: you could still calculate an average though 02:38:19 is that a good thing, though 02:38:39 maybe print the 3 success rates 02:38:40 <|amethyst> you wouldn't want to compute an average power 02:39:17 <|amethyst> but compute the three success rates, then add them weighted by the chance of getting that many enhancers 02:39:55 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:40:18 <|amethyst> so that the number is in fact the chance that it will affect the monster given your current knowledge 02:40:48 yeah, I guess that works 02:41:22 <|amethyst> but I'm out of patches tonight 02:41:30 rip 02:41:31 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: report that on Mantis 02:41:47 will do 02:42:06 <|amethyst> you can copy-paste some of the IRC conversation if you think it will help 02:42:14 <|amethyst> or link to the logs 02:42:15 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:42:18 <|amethyst> ??logs 02:42:18 logs ~ log ~ morgue[1/1]: Use the !log command to get the morgue for your last game on any server. (It will be autodetected.) 02:42:25 <|amethyst> /topic 02:43:11 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:46:25 oh 02:46:36 i think i described it well enough in my own words 02:47:07 but if you want me to include the stuff about the success rates and weighting them i can add a note 02:48:46 Pakellas' Device Surge does not report improved chance for hex wands to work 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10134 by prozacelf 02:51:27 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad 02:52:45 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53:35 odd. &versions says CBRO: 0.18-a0-614-gbf36044, but I started and have 0.18-a0-597 02:53:58 !lg * p won !experimental s=name,char 02:54:03 3 games for * (p won !experimental): RBrandon (KoAM), darkli (DDFi), chequers (MiFi) 02:57:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 02:57:15 The build was broken. (master - c92b81f #4054 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94795605 02:57:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 02:57:51 does being with pak make staff acquirement more likely to give a rod? 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:00:12 having evo > magic skills in general does 03:00:13 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:38 i assume that it particularly works for trog because he prohibits enhancer staves? 03:02:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:05:51 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:06:47 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:08:11 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:16:15 ProzacElf: he prohibits training magic 03:16:29 which might be what you meant anyhow 03:16:55 he doesn't prohibit wielding them or anything about them specifically, just learning spells, training magic schools, and casting spells 03:16:57 well, yes. although whenever i do pick up an enhancer staff with trog it's colored red 03:17:02 so i thought he also didn't like them 03:17:21 i guess you can't get the extra effect without training magic though 03:17:23 I think that's just about casting with them, but it might even extend to attacking for those where that's relevant 03:17:26 so you're just hitting them with a stick 03:17:36 well you could join trog after training schools 03:17:40 *magic schools 03:17:44 hmmm 03:17:54 if i had a local version i'd be tempted to wizmode that 03:17:57 not sure if he dislikes use of magical staves for melee 03:18:10 certainly would make sense if that were the case 03:18:39 ProzacElf: you can use wizmode on dbro 03:18:41 ??dbro 03:18:41 dbro[1/2]: The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys). Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode) Set your terminal size to 80x25 (!) and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set. 03:18:47 oh really? 03:18:50 neat 03:18:53 though... might not be updated with latest pakellas 03:19:04 whoa, you've got a dwarf fortress on there too! 03:19:21 ProzacElf: well, not anymore 03:19:32 each game took like 25% of my ram 03:19:39 and a ton of cpu 03:19:43 hahaha 03:19:44 same with cataclysm 03:19:46 that doesn't surprise me 03:19:51 johnstein: maybe edit the learndb entry 03:19:51 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:19:53 it was super cool to get them working and watching people play 03:20:05 i always assumed that was why no one ever had df public servers 03:20:08 cataclysm? 03:20:32 the fact that df runs at all is miraculous 03:20:36 !learn e dbro[1] s/and Dwarf/and used to have Dwarf/ 03:20:36 dbro[1/2]: The development wing of CBRO. ssh to dev.berotato.org user: dev same ssh keys as cbro (http://crawl.beRotato.org/crawl/keys). Currently serving mediocre crawl dev versions and used to have Dwarf Fortress (running in TEXT mode) Set your terminal size to 80x25 (!) and ensure you are using UTF-8 character set. 03:20:50 cataclysm-dda (dark days ahead) 03:20:56 post-apocalyptic roguelike 03:21:01 kinda like DF adventure mode, with zombies 03:21:06 ah 03:21:09 I had no clue how to play it 03:21:10 i've heard of it 03:21:12 but always wanted to 03:21:17 never even tried to play it though 03:21:25 I almost got a command line version of dwarf therapist working 03:21:30 wow 03:21:36 but the performance was a killer 03:21:42 and then cbro got more players 03:21:55 i should get lacertilians wokring again >.> 03:22:06 ??lacertillian 03:22:06 lacertillian ~ lacertilian[1/1]: Experimental race with perma-faith and no wrath for changing gods. Playable on CBRO! 03:22:08 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c 03:22:20 hmmm 03:22:36 !learn e lacertilian[1] s/Playable/Used to be playable/ 03:22:36 lacertilian[1/1]: Experimental race with perma-faith and no wrath for changing gods. Used to be playable on CBRO! 03:22:37 should i put in the key as an ssh argument? 03:23:20 for dbro? should be similar to cbro 03:23:38 I wasn't able to get wizmode to work via my console though. works on webtiles for me though. 03:24:05 someone in here suggested I remap the keys. that didn't work either. but I'm a dirty webtiles player anyway 03:24:20 oh, it has webtiles? 03:24:27 screw it then 03:24:50 johnstein: any idea why &versions would lie about cbro? 03:25:15 uh 03:25:19 "This is Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.18-a0-597-g3d6925d" 03:25:19 ^version 03:25:19 trunk: 0.18-a0-597-g3d6925d; 0.17: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c; 0.16: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3; 0.15: 0.15.2; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2 03:25:30 &versions 03:25:41 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 03:25:47 !cmd &versions 03:25:47 Command: &versions => .echo $(join ", " (map (fn (src) (concat $src ": " (=version.query $src $*))) (serverlist))) 03:25:48 CAO: 0.18-a0-599-gf87b446, CBRO: 0.18-a0-614-gbf36044, CDO: 0.18-a0-486-gab6c0bd, CPO: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad, CSZO: 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7, CUE: 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7, CWZ: 0.18-a0-43-g402c68f, CXC: 0.18-a0-619-g89c329e, LLD: 0.18-a0-593-g3a9cb0d 03:25:54 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 03:26:01 !cmd =version.query 03:26:01 Command: =version.query => !lm * recent $* max=vlong fmt:"$vlong" stub:"none" 03:26:13 hmmm 03:26:15 !kw sererlist 03:26:16 No keyword 'sererlist' 03:26:18 !kw serverlist 03:26:19 No keyword 'serverlist' 03:26:19 -!- mopl_away is now known as mopl 03:26:20 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:26:31 ??server 03:26:31 servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cszo}, {cbro}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo} 03:26:40 johnstein: looking for anything in particular? 03:26:41 I would trust ^version 03:26:47 since that's directly from the bot 03:27:05 gammafunk: just trying to figure out what rchandra pointed out 03:27:17 rchandra: it looks at milestones of recent games, so perhaps no one has played a game on cdo recently enough? 03:27:31 it's in the other direction though 03:27:34 hrm 03:27:35 reporting a future version 03:27:42 that seems odd 03:27:44 %git 03:27:44 07gammafunk02 * 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad: Restore the spider count in sack of spiders (DrKe) 10(66 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c02dfadd3281 03:27:47 !lm * cbro vlong~~614 x=vlong 03:27:48 416. [2015-12-04 06:49:03] [vlong=0.18-a0-614-gbf36044] avis the Severer (L16 HOSk of Beogh) became the Champion of Beogh on turn 32101. (D:14) 03:28:04 %git c02dfadd32813 03:28:04 07gammafunk02 * 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad: Restore the spider count in sack of spiders (DrKe) 10(66 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c02dfadd3281 03:28:15 it's not a future version, it seems 03:28:19 &git bf36 03:28:22 that's what HEAD on cbro points to 03:28:33 %git bf36044 03:28:33 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-614-gbf36044: Merge branch 'master' into orcs_and_elves 10(29 hours ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bf360443f974 03:28:39 future relative to what ^version and my game say (saved/resumed a few times also) 03:28:55 apparently with all skills set to 15 and plastering a gecko with a staff of fire, trog is still ok with it 03:29:04 yep 03:29:34 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 03:29:40 ProzacElf: look, Trog doesn't exactly get how magic works, he just knows he hates it! 03:30:22 You're like a kid who's playing games on his TI-86 calculator when his Dad forbade any video games 03:30:32 ^version 03:30:32 trunk: 0.18-a0-597-g3d6925d; 0.17: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c; 0.16: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3; 0.15: 0.15.2; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2 03:30:42 heh 03:30:43 that's really weird how that's not accurate 03:30:46 sounds legit 03:30:51 (just rebuilt like 10 minutes ago) 03:30:52 well 03:31:00 wait, which is ^? 03:31:05 that's the bot 03:31:05 oh cbro 03:31:08 Rotatell 03:31:38 !lm * cbro current trunk x=vlong 03:31:45 16740. [2015-12-04 08:28:39] [vlong=0.18-a0-597-g3d6925d] mrpyro the Evocator (L27 OpTm of Cheibriados) entered the Realm of Zot on turn 64135. (Depths:5) 03:31:53 are you sure? 03:32:23 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (27,43) (D:14) 03:32:25 http://pastebin.com/y56e8Dnd 03:32:35 that's what the bot is doing 03:32:47 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (27,43) (D:14) 03:33:05 %git 3d6925d77f 03:33:05 07ontoclasm02 * 0.18-a0-597-g3d6925d: Multi-zap shading & halo 10(26 hours ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3d6925d77f3f 03:33:08 hmmm 03:33:17 johnstein: yeah but not the last milestone is the version it reports 03:33:19 !lm * cbro vlong~~614 03:33:19 416. [2015-12-04 06:49:03] avis the Severer (L16 HOSk of Beogh) became the Champion of Beogh on turn 32101. (D:14) 03:33:20 so maybe you didn't rebuild? 03:33:25 does device surge just not work on /heal wounds? 03:33:29 s/not/note/ 03:33:36 crawl-dev@www: /home/crawl/DGL/crawl-master$ ls -l crawl-latest 03:33:38 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 Dec 3 03:22 crawl-latest -> crawl-git-3d6925d77f 03:33:47 so yea, looks like not rebuilt 03:33:55 ah ok 03:33:57 Rotatell> johnstein: Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c 03:33:59 ProzacElf: evo power doesn't affect HW 03:34:00 it was 0.17 that rebuild 03:34:03 rebuilt 03:34:05 ah ok 03:34:11 at least it doesn't dissipate the surge 03:34:13 so trunk is probably being rebuilt right now 03:34:17 (it used to in a really stupid way) 03:34:19 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad (34) 03:34:21 so it's pretty obvious that it doesn't work 03:34:22 hahaha 03:34:26 there we go 03:34:30 TIMING 03:34:38 just wanted to make sure that was as intended 03:34:39 ProzacElf: did wizmode work via console for you? 03:34:46 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:34:52 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in clear_rock_wall at (41,24) (D:14) 03:34:54 johnstein: i just did tiles 03:34:58 ah ok 03:35:06 rather than jacking around with trying ssh connect 03:35:07 I think I'll add dbro master to the nightly rebuild 03:35:20 dbro has been really handy 03:35:48 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:36:09 nice to have an ability to wizmode without needing to build locally 03:36:24 especially since i can't do it on my chromebook all that easily 03:36:26 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:36:31 although i should reinstall linux on here 03:37:03 ??msysgit 03:37:03 msysgit[1/2]: To build crawl 0.16+ with msysgit, you need gcc 4.7 or higher. Follow steps 2-4 here: http://win-builds.org/1.4.0/msys-cygwin.html#_win_builds_installation Then add NO_PKGCONFIG=y when you run make. 03:37:06 ??msysgit]2 03:37:07 msysgit2 ~ msysgit[1/2]: To build crawl 0.16+ with msysgit, you need gcc 4.7 or higher. Follow steps 2-4 here: http://win-builds.org/1.4.0/msys-cygwin.html#_win_builds_installation Then add NO_PKGCONFIG=y when you run make. 03:37:10 ??msysgit[2 03:37:10 msysgit[2/2]: dvec.h errors? Edit dvec.h according to this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/25340986 03:37:19 !learn del msysgit[1] 03:37:19 Deleted msysgit[1/2]: To build crawl 0.16+ with msysgit, you need gcc 4.7 or higher. Follow steps 2-4 here: http://win-builds.org/1.4.0/msys-cygwin.html#_win_builds_installation Then add NO_PKGCONFIG=y when you run make. 03:37:25 !learn del msysgit[2] 03:37:25 msysgit has only 1 entry. 03:37:25 my computer is no longer willing to build, it just crashes repeatedly and if I persist, bluescreens 03:37:29 !learn del msysgit[1] 03:37:29 Deleted msysgit[1/1]: dvec.h errors? Edit dvec.h according to this: http://stackoverflow.com/a/25340986 03:37:38 which i've only been saying for about 5 months now 03:37:46 rchandra: what OS? windows? 03:37:56 yeah 03:38:03 probably just beginning to die 03:38:08 have you tried msys2 using git for windows? 03:38:22 yeah, if you have hard drive issues or something 03:38:37 I'm not sure which version of msys it is, I know I changed it a few months back 03:38:42 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:39:23 if the icon you use to start it has "Msys2", it's msys2, otherwise it's the old msysgit 03:40:20 !learn add msysgit To build crawl 0.16+ with the Git for Windows SDK, Following the instructions in INSTALL.txt under the heading "Building on Windows": https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 03:40:20 msysgit[1/1]: To build crawl 0.16+ with the Git for Windows SDK, Following the instructions in INSTALL.txt under the heading "Building on Windows": https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 03:40:20 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 03:40:21 The build is still failing. (master - b0ea188 #4055 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94797497 03:40:21 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 03:40:25 ??windows 03:40:25 msysgit[1/1]: To build crawl 0.16+ with the Git for Windows SDK, Following the instructions in INSTALL.txt under the heading "Building on Windows": https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/INSTALL.txt 03:40:26 things i like about pakellas: even junk wands are worth considering whether or not to drop 03:40:50 surge that wand of flame and kill the spiny frog, ProzacElf 03:41:24 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 03:41:55 -!- morfei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:42:18 i also like how all of my recharge scrolls can go into making my rods better 03:44:13 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (27,43) (Zot:1) 03:44:30 hahaha 03:44:44 i just found a +11 rapier named "Widowermaker" 03:44:57 i feel like that should have either come out as "widower" or "widowmaker" 03:46:26 ProzacElf: this is intentional 03:46:34 Lemuel humour (tm) 03:46:43 ah 03:46:55 -!- ChongLi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:46:56 i had a feeling it wasn't accidental 03:48:07 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:48:17 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (27,43) (Zot:1) 03:51:34 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (34,54) (Zot:2) 03:54:48 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:56:21 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:00:07 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:01:05 Croases (L22 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (28,49) (Zot:5) 04:02:57 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (28,49) (Zot:5) 04:04:30 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 04:04:44 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (28,49) (Zot:5) 04:06:03 -!- RBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:06:29 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (29,47) (Zot:4) 04:07:43 stickyfingers (L16 MuAs) (Orc:1) 04:09:52 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (29,47) (Zot:4) 04:10:13 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (29,47) (Zot:4) 04:10:37 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (29,47) (Zot:4) 04:10:39 uh oh 04:10:51 ^version 04:10:51 trunk: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad; 0.17: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c; 0.16: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3; 0.15: 0.15.2; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2 04:10:54 %version 04:10:55 trunk: 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7; 0.17: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c; 0.16: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3; 0.15: 0.15.2; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 04:11:00 stickyfingers (L16 MuAs) (Orc:1) 04:11:11 ??eksell 04:11:11 Eksell[1/1]: The cxc announcement bot, which uses | as a prefix. 04:11:16 |version 04:11:17 trunk: 0.18-a0-619-g89c329e; 0.17: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c; 0.16: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3; 0.15: 0.15.2; 0.14: 0.14.2 04:11:19 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (28,49) (Zot:5) 04:11:30 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (28,49) (Zot:5) 04:12:56 !source clouds.cc 04:12:57 Can't find clouds.cc. 04:13:02 !source cloud.cc 04:13:03 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/cloud.cc 04:13:03 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:18:05 Croases (L23 FeVM) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (27,43) (D:9) 04:19:30 stickyfingers (L16 MuAs) (Orc:1) 04:20:30 Crash when tabbing through Orc 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10135 by stickyfingers 04:22:55 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 04:22:56 The build was fixed. (master - 45c4a0f #4056 : Jesse Luehrs): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94798044 04:22:56 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 04:24:47 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:25:55 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:26:30 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:33:07 stickyfingers (L16 MuAs) (Orc:1) 04:37:05 pakellas doesn't seem to want to give me a rod, been at 4* for a few floors. is it random? 04:38:05 ah I see he's watching the dev channel 04:40:54 -!- sf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:52 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:48:04 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 04:48:52 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 05:07:02 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 05:07:02 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 05:07:02 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 05:13:55 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 05:30:09 ??rebuild 05:30:09 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 05:38:02 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:40:57 -!- tollymain has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:44:50 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 05:44:51 The build was broken. (tarwolves - a2a3468 #4058 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94800700 05:44:51 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 05:50:06 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 05:52:00 Duffy (L8 VSFi) (D:6) 05:53:04 Duffy (L8 VSFi) (D:6) 05:53:33 !crashlog 05:53:34 12566. Duffy, XL8 VSFi, T:3885 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Duffy/crash-Duffy-20151204-105246.txt 05:53:46 man this rebuild is slow 05:55:28 comborobin (L10 MuEE) (D:9) 05:55:56 comborobin (L10 MuEE) (D:9) 05:56:07 &versions 05:56:18 %git :/crash 05:56:18 07|amethyst02 * 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7: Don't crash when setting cloud exclusions. 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb0fed705383 05:56:23 &version 05:56:25 CAO: 0.18-a0-599-gf87b446, CBRO: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad, CDO: 0.18-a0-623-gb763cd8, CPO: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad, CSZO: 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7, CUE: 0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7, CWZ: 0.18-a0-43-g402c68f, CXC: 0.18-a0-619-g89c329e, LLD: 0.18-a0-593-g3a9cb0d 05:56:33 *: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad 05:56:53 Duffy (L9 VSFi) (D:6) 05:57:15 %git 0.18-a0-599-gf87b446 05:57:15 07elliptic02 * 0.18-a0-599-gf87b446: Mark stone stairs as known if you have seen both ends of them. 10(20 hours ago, 4 files, 48+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f87b446f537d 05:57:47 !lm comborobin crash x=src 05:57:47 17. [2015-12-04 10:55:55] [src=cdo] comborobin the Cruncher (L10 MuEE of Ashenzari) (D:9) 05:58:07 well, I can't rebuild that 05:59:49 WhatIsLove (L23 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:3) 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:29 Crash upon viewing ogre/net-food vault 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10136 by Le_Nerd 06:03:14 WhatIsLove (L23 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:3) 06:04:12 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad (34) 06:06:27 !crashlog comborobin 06:06:28 17. comborobin, XL10 MuEE, T:8890 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/comborobin/crash-comborobin-20151204-105555.txt 06:06:38 ??rebuild[2 06:06:38 rebuild[2/2]: Trunk update start times in UTC (second number during summer time): CSZO: 0600/0500; CAO: 1700; CDO: 0600/0500; CLAN: 2300/2200; CBRO: 0800/0700; CXC: 0500/0400; CPO: every 15 minutes 06:06:58 WhatIsLove (L23 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:3) 06:07:26 WhatIsLove (L23 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:3) 06:08:10 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:08:29 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 06:09:11 Grunt, |amethyst: CDO could use rebuild 06:10:30 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 06:14:43 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:14:43 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 06:16:01 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 06:21:20 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:22:53 WhatIsLove (L24 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:4) 06:23:54 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:24:57 WhatIsLove (L24 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:4) 06:31:07 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:13 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 06:32:14 The build passed. (master - 89c329e #4059 : Jesse Luehrs): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94801289 06:32:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 06:32:55 Wingboner (L13 DDFi) (Orc:2) 06:36:24 WhatIsLove (L25 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:5) 06:41:41 WhatIsLove (L25 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:5) 06:43:37 !lm Wingboner crash x=vlong 06:43:37 1. [2015-12-04 11:32:36] [vlong=0.18-a0-619-g89c329e] Wingboner the Cleaver (L13 DDFi of Pakellas) (Orc:2) 06:43:50 WhatIsLove (L25 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:5) 06:44:50 WhatIsLove (L25 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Depths:5) 06:47:33 WhatIsLove (L25 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (8,18) (Zot:1) 06:52:12 WhatIsLove (L25 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (8,18) (Zot:1) 06:53:29 &dump WhatIsLove 06:53:29 http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/WhatIsLove/WhatIsLove.txt 06:54:29 jiyva related? 06:55:02 -!- Evablue has quit [Client Quit] 06:56:01 -!- Lohengramm has quit [] 06:56:12 -!- Lohengramm has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:10 -!- Evablue has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:24 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:01:31 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:03:26 -!- kuniqs has quit [Client Quit] 07:04:04 WhatIsLove (L25 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Zot:2) 07:08:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:09:14 -!- Evablue has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:14:22 patman (L16 MiHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thin mist in rock_wall at (28,46) (Lair:5) 07:15:01 patman (L16 MiHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thin mist in rock_wall at (28,46) (Lair:5) 07:17:24 -!- 18VAAFFOQ is now known as evablue 07:18:19 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 07:21:11 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 07:21:12 The build passed. (master - 78a784f #4060 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94802347 07:21:12 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 07:22:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:27 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 07:33:55 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 07:35:50 WhatIsLove (L26 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Zot:2) 07:35:55 -!- vev has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43:02 -!- RBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:44:39 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:44:44 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:52:04 Avanven (L23 TrWr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud freezing vapour in stone_wall at (3,50) (Depths:4) 07:52:15 WhatIsLove (L26 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Zot:2) 07:52:17 -!- graymark has quit [Client Quit] 07:52:22 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:53:30 Avanven (L23 TrWr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud freezing vapour in stone_wall at (3,50) (Depths:4) 07:54:49 Avanven (L23 TrWr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud freezing vapour in stone_wall at (3,50) (Depths:4) 07:57:39 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:58:26 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:31 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:32 The build passed. (master - c15b795 #4061 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94803699 08:00:32 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 08:03:27 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11:31 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:21:24 this line disappears when i hit ^P... intentional? _The translocation field surrounding you vibrates and the crocodile disappears! 08:22:18 &watch jefus 08:22:19 !watch Jefus 08:22:20 Watch Jefus at: http://crawl.akrasiac.org:8080/#watch-Jefus 08:22:36 -!- mopl has joined ##crawl-dev 08:23:12 ah it's off my screen now but 08:23:20 sounds weird 08:23:22 you can see it's not there in the crocodile fight 08:25:09 i have seen this happen with another type of message in the past that i wanted to look at in my scrollback, can't think of what it was now though 08:25:17 -!- Alcopop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:25:45 some things are excluded on purpose I think, like unknown command 08:25:52 but this shouldn't be 08:26:25 ah 08:26:31 makes sense for unknown command, yeah. the other thing was a good while back and it was some sort of action as well 08:26:32 !source channel_message_history 08:26:32 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/message.cc#l1429 08:26:48 it uses the equipment channel, that isn't included in history 08:26:54 ahh 08:27:58 !tell Lasty "dissmissal messages don't show up in ^P because it uses equipment channel (see channel_message_history) 08:27:59 Medar: OK, I'll let lasty know. 08:28:05 WhatIsLove (L25 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Zot:2) 08:28:06 thanks for the report 08:28:16 np :) 08:32:18 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:32:18 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:57:38 -!- chance672 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:02:20 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:08:27 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:08:37 -!- Croases has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:10:03 <|amethyst> hm 09:10:24 <|amethyst> found a hang, doesn't look related to these crashes though 09:10:41 -!- evablue has quit [Quit: evablue] 09:14:43 <|amethyst> though it could be, if in some situations it doesn't hang but just leaves over last level's clouds 09:16:48 <|amethyst> hmm... hangs every time for me in my 32-bit build 09:22:24 <|amethyst> !crashlog -2 09:22:24 No milestones for -2 (crash). 09:22:27 <|amethyst> !crashlog * -2 09:22:28 12590/12591. Avanven, XL23 TrWr, T:48216 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/Avanven/crash-Avanven-20151204-125433.txt 09:27:53 !lm * current crash noun~~"line 502" time>=2015-12-04 s=src,char,god 09:27:54 44 milestones for * (current crash noun~~'line 502' time>=2015-12-04): 22x cszo (16x FeVM (16x Jiyva), 4x KoAr (4x Pakellas), 2x FeEn (2x Sif Muna)), 21x cxc (16x OgHu (16x Jiyva), 3x TrWr (3x Qazlal), 2x MiHu (2x Okawaru)), cpo (DDFi (Pakellas)) 09:28:44 !lm * current crash noun~~"line 502" time>=2015-12-04 s=place 09:28:44 44 milestones for * (current crash noun~~'line 502' time>=2015-12-04): 5x Zot:5, 5x D:14, 5x Depths:4, 5x Zot:2, 4x Zot:1, 4x Depths:5, 4x Zot:4, 4x Depths:3, 3x Lair:5, 2x Swamp:1, D:11, D:9, Lair:6 09:31:47 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 09:31:48 The build passed. (master - 3413534 #4063 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94806997 09:31:48 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 09:31:50 !messages 09:31:51 (1/2) elliptic said (3d 22h 19m 3s ago): rj is not trj again maybe 09:31:53 !messages 09:31:53 (1/1) gammafunk said (7h 35m 36s ago): Not sure if you have a good idea for this, but I need to change =morgue_link.list to use http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/ for cwz from its current one, but when I make that change the command is too long to set in irc 09:32:34 !cmd =morgue_link.list 09:32:35 Command: =morgue_link.list => .echo >unknown|cao>http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata|cbro>http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue|cdo>http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/${1:-trunk}|clan>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cpo>https://crawl.project357.org/morgue|cszo>http://dobrazupa.org/morgue|cue>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cwz>http://webzook.net:82/|cxc>http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/... 09:33:01 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-629-g16988c9: Fix a hang when deleting clouds. 10(18 minutes ago, 1 file, 7+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/16988c91e6f7 09:33:06 can capitalize CXC while at it :P 09:33:18 <|amethyst> not sure if this will do anything about the crashes, but might be worth trying a rebuild 09:33:48 I can do that 09:33:49 ??rebuild 09:33:49 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 09:33:52 -!- mopl has left ##crawl-dev 09:34:00 !lm * current crash noun~~"line 502" time>=2015-12-04 s=src 09:34:01 44 milestones for * (current crash noun~~'line 502' time>=2015-12-04): 22x cszo, 21x cxc, cpo 09:34:05 =replacecmd =morgue_link.list http://webzook.net:82/ http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/ 09:34:06 Redefined command: =morgue_link.list => .echo >unknown|cao>http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata|cbro>http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue|cdo>http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/${1:-trunk}|clan>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cpo>https://crawl.project357.org/morgue|cszo>http://dobrazupa.org/morgue|cue>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cwz>http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/|cxc>http://craw... 09:34:11 <|amethyst> it doesn't seem to manifest on CSZO's build at least, but froze every time I switched level on my local 32-bit 4.9.2 -Og build 09:35:11 =replacecmd =morgue_link.list crawl.xtahua.com CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM 09:35:12 Redefined command: =morgue_link.list => .echo >unknown|cao>http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata|cbro>http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue|cdo>http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/${1:-trunk}|clan>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cpo>https://crawl.project357.org/morgue|cszo>http://dobrazupa.org/morgue|cue>http://www.underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue|cwz>http://webzook.net/soup/morgue/|cxc>http://CRAW... 09:35:15 I'll just do CXC and CSZO 09:35:34 elliptic: hooray 09:35:43 Cpo permaphung in the past few hours btw 09:36:06 &dump elliptic cwz 09:36:07 not sure why 09:36:07 http://webzook.net/soup/morgue//elliptic/elliptic.txt 09:36:27 hm 09:36:30 !lm * cwz 09:36:31 635299. [2015-11-29 17:42:44] HonorKnight the Peltast (L19 GrFi of Okawaru) left the Elven Halls on turn 48351. (Elf:1) 09:36:36 &dump honorknight 09:36:37 http://webzook.net/soup/morgue//HonorKnight/HonorKnight.txt 09:36:41 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-629-g16988c9 (34) 09:36:55 talkingcatjazzcat (L11 SpAs) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in rock_wall at (10,43) (D:9) 09:37:00 I guess it needs to know to stick a version in there too 09:37:06 I forget how this command works exactly 09:37:26 will move to -sequell since it looks like there are actual crashes here :P 09:37:44 !lm * crash x=src 09:37:45 12593. [2015-12-04 14:36:57] [src=cszo] talkingcatjazzcat the Covert (L11 SpAs of Dithmenos) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in rock wall at (10,43) (D:9) 09:37:55 !lm * crash x=src,vlong 09:37:56 12593. [2015-12-04 14:36:57] [src=cszo;vlong=0.18-a0-626-geb0fed7] talkingcatjazzcat the Covert (L11 SpAs of Dithmenos) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in rock wall at (10,43) (D:9) 09:38:22 talkingcatjazzcat (L11 SpAs) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in rock_wall at (10,43) (D:9) 09:38:30 !lm * crash x=src,vlong 09:38:31 12594. [2015-12-04 14:38:27] [src=cszo;vlong=0.18-a0-629-g16988c9] talkingcatjazzcat the Covert (L11 SpAs of Dithmenos) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in rock wall at (10,43) (D:9) 09:38:35 :( 09:39:17 <|amethyst> that commit wouldn't necessarily fix existing problems anyway 09:39:29 <|amethyst> if there was already a cloud in a rock 09:39:38 right 09:39:55 not sure that has been happening though, since people have been continuing their games 09:40:02 <|amethyst> hmm 09:40:12 <|amethyst> yeah, I guess manage_clouds() does get called every turn 09:40:24 &watch talkingcatjazzcat 09:40:25 %watch talkingcatjazzcat 09:40:25 feamirim (L16 DsBe) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud freezing vapour in rock_wall at (49,24) (D:13) 09:40:25 No current CSZO game for talkingcatjazzcat. 09:40:39 feamirim (L16 DsBe) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud freezing vapour in rock_wall at (49,24) (D:13) 09:41:04 <|amethyst> I've got to go, good luck with debugging 09:41:14 guess I'll rebuild cue also 09:41:50 I don't have time to debug atm either 09:42:15 <|amethyst> make wheals do it 09:42:25 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.18-a0-629-g16988c9 (34) 09:43:10 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 09:46:07 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: ["Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com"]] 09:54:35 WhatIsLove (L26 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (6,16) (Zot:2) 09:55:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:57:27 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:57:43 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:53 -!- bleak has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:33 talkingcatjazzcat (L11 SpAs) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in rock_wall at (10,43) (D:9) 10:00:58 talkingcatjazzcat (L11 SpAs) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in rock_wall at (10,43) (D:9) 10:01:34 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:02:21 !messages 10:02:21 (1/3) |amethyst said (7h 30m 30s ago): another crash related to clouds: something, maybe summon forest, ended up causing a cloud to be in a wall !crashlog kaelii 8 10:02:23 !messages 10:02:23 (1/2) |amethyst said (7h 27m 21s ago): then again, summon forest might be a red herring: !lm edsrzf crash 7 10:02:24 !messages 10:02:25 (1/1) |amethyst said (7h 26m ago): oops, !lm edsrzf crash 3 -log 10:04:48 !tell Grunt that's not really possible -- at this point, there are more games started after adding them than before (and the only effect is that old mirrors will turn into zigs, which is weird but not game-breaking) 10:04:48 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 10:05:06 !tell Grunt i feel stupid i didn't check for that after rebasing, though 10:05:07 wheals: OK, I'll let grunt know. 10:06:29 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-629-g16988c9 (34) 10:06:45 !tell |amethyst it looks to me like it was probably caused by the bug you just fixed (ie, those clouds were from another level) 10:06:45 wheals: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 10:07:35 so jazzcat crashes in newest version are just because the invalid clouds are left in the save? 10:08:06 CSZO is on the newest version? 10:08:38 it was the commit from ~an hour ago 10:08:46 yes, it was rebuilt 10:08:46 but anyway, we could add that to the fixup 10:08:55 !lm * crash x=vlong 10:08:55 12599. [2015-12-04 15:01:03] [vlong=0.18-a0-629-g16988c9] talkingcatjazzcat the Covert (L11 SpAs of Dithmenos) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud flame in rock wall at (10,43) (D:9) 10:11:48 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-630-g7604090: Also remove clouds in walls from saves. 10(7 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/760409010250 10:12:50 -!- ir2ivps5 has quit [K-Lined] 10:18:27 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 10:18:28 The build passed. (master - b763cd8 #4064 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94807822 10:18:28 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 10:26:31 <|amethyst> wheals: so that "please remove" comment of kilobyte's :) 10:26:31 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 10:26:41 <|amethyst> wheals: just when it thought it was out, we pulled it back in 10:27:10 * |amethyst sends a helicopter to shoot up clouds.cc 10:27:28 |amethyst: the cloud is the future of computing, silly! 10:28:05 <|amethyst> I thought timesharing was the technology of the 1970s 10:28:16 <|amethyst> and virtual machines were IBM big iron crap 10:32:06 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:32:24 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:33:22 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:26 Avanven (L27 TrWr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud sparse dust in rock_wall at (31,43) (Elf:2) 10:40:00 Avanven (L27 TrWr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thunder in rock_wall at (33,30) (D:10) 10:40:25 ??rebuild 10:40:25 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 10:40:45 ah, someone beat me to it 10:40:49 ya 10:42:30 willcat (L27 DsSk) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (41,26) (D:14) 10:42:48 willcat (L27 DsSk) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (41,26) (D:14) 10:43:34 all the cats crashing 10:43:48 guess cszo needs a rebuild too 10:43:56 Crishpax (L15 GhMo) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thin mist in rock_wall at (51,59) (D:9) 10:43:57 oops 10:44:03 also cue probably 10:44:35 !lm * current crash noun~~"line 502" time>=2015-12-04 s=src 10:44:35 56 milestones for * (current crash noun~~'line 502' time>=2015-12-04): 28x cszo, 25x cxc, 2x cue, cpo 10:44:39 Crishpax (L15 GhMo) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thin mist in rock_wall at (51,59) (D:9) 10:45:24 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-631-g21f262b: oops 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/21f262b2406d 10:45:28 Crishpax (L15 GhMo) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud thin mist in rock_wall at (51,59) (D:9) 10:46:28 can you do cszo and cue now? for some reason my password's not working on either 10:47:11 -!- mopl is now known as mopl_weekend 10:47:12 <|amethyst> !lm wheals cszo 10:47:13 10140. [2015-03-22 01:11:19] wheals the Shield-Bearer (L1 HuFi) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1) 10:47:16 <|amethyst> hm 10:47:24 could be i just mistyped it 10:47:32 willcat (L27 DsSk) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud blue smoke in rock_wall at (39,42) (D:11) 10:47:53 willcat (L27 DsSk) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud blue smoke in rock_wall at (39,42) (D:11) 10:47:57 <|amethyst> rebuild trigger is case-sensitive to user name, but I guess that doesn't matter here because you're lowercase everywhere 10:48:04 <|amethyst> !lg . s=name 10:48:04 11708 games for |amethyst: 11707x Neil, ElvishCostello 10:48:10 <|amethyst> !lg . CAO 10:48:10 1387. Neil the Destroyer (L12 TeFE of Vehumet), slain by a six-headed hydra on Lair:2 on 2015-11-27 03:27:12, with 13693 points after 11590 turns and 0:30:26. 10:48:12 <|amethyst> !lg . !CAO 10:48:13 10321. neil the Firebug (L1 HuFE), entered wizard mode on D:1 (arrival_aquarium_a) on 2015-12-04 14:35:01, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:04. 10:48:23 oh, i think i may have typed Wheals in the prompt 10:48:30 <|amethyst> ah 10:48:43 <|amethyst> that works in webtiles and dgl, but apache is pickier 10:48:55 <|amethyst> rebuilding CSZO 10:48:55 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-631-g21f262b (34) 10:49:21 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-631-g21f262b (34) 10:50:01 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:50:01 wow, that's pretty fast 10:51:32 <|amethyst> oh, err 10:51:38 <|amethyst> so I did something bad 10:51:41 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.18-a0-631-g21f262b (34) 10:51:47 <|amethyst> if (feat_is_trap(grd(pos), true) && !map_find(env.cloud, pos)) 10:51:47 <|amethyst> grd(pos) = DNGN_FLOOR; 10:51:59 crap 10:52:24 <|amethyst> that's not even the right place for the fixup, because traps haven't been loaded 10:52:31 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:52:38 <|amethyst> but of course I got clouds and traps confused because both were causing crashes 10:53:09 "something that wheals broke" 10:57:33 !commit Add cloud traps and trap clouds. 10:57:33 03Medar * 0.18-a0-473-gf7d2874: Add cloud traps and trap clouds. 10(in the future, 47 files, 684+ 455-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=f7d2874 10:58:29 -!- Croases_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:58:50 !commit Revert "Add cloud traps and trap clouds." 10:58:50 03Dixie * 0.18-a0-474-g222d4e2: Revert "Add cloud traps and trap clouds." 10(in the future, 1 files, 859+ 596-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=222d4e2 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:47 Game crashes when freezing clouds generate in the freezing tunnel vault 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10137 by Amnesiac 11:01:04 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-632-g4512088: Fix my trap fixup. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 17+ 14-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/451208879199 11:01:08 <|amethyst> chequers: as in, some games were hanging? 11:01:42 <|amethyst> though I worry now that some people might have an actual trap but DNGN_FLOOR 11:01:55 <|amethyst> because of my bad fix 11:02:44 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:04:11 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-632-g4512088 (34) 11:07:24 -!- uJellie has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 11:08:24 <|amethyst> FR: the test suite downloads five random saved games from the servers and runs qw on them 11:09:14 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.18-a0-632-g4512088 (34) 11:10:24 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 11:11:04 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-632-g4512088 (34) 11:12:35 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 11:17:39 vible (L24 FoHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (34,47) (D:13) 11:17:55 vible (L24 FoHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (34,47) (D:13) 11:18:00 nooo 11:18:01 <|amethyst> !lm vible crash x=vlong 11:18:01 2. [2015-12-04 16:17:54] [vlong=0.18-a0-632-g4512088] vible the Slayer (L24 FoHu of Ashenzari) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock wall at (34,47) (D:13) 11:18:11 <|amethyst> .. 11:18:11 mmm 11:18:14 im autotraveling to d12 11:19:25 <|amethyst> !crashlog 11:19:26 12610. vible, XL24 FoHu, T:48346 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/vible/crash-vible-20151204-161754.txt 11:21:21 both crashes was during autotravel, should i try to just walk? 11:21:31 see if same happends 11:21:45 <|amethyst> might help 11:21:55 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:22:40 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:22:59 i made a backup save first 11:23:06 <|amethyst> thanks 11:23:09 <|amethyst> link? 11:23:12 http://crawl.lantea.net/saves//vible-crawl-git-4512088791-151204-1623.tar.bz2 11:23:50 <|amethyst> !tell TZer0 the save backup links still say crawl.lantea.net (and some other things like rebuild also say CLAN) 11:23:50 |amethyst: OK, I'll let tzer0 know. 11:24:29 well i could walk to it 11:24:33 seems fine now 11:25:36 <|amethyst> hm 11:25:43 <|amethyst> GD12 didn't crash for me 11:25:50 <|amethyst> hm 11:26:24 cloud generator on D:13? 11:26:37 what i did was Ctrl-F fire dra <.> 11:26:37 <|amethyst> aha 11:26:37 <|amethyst> yeah 11:26:45 <|amethyst> I do X[] then GD12 and it crashes 11:30:05 <|amethyst> Yeah, X[] puts the clouds from one level up on this level 11:30:09 <|amethyst> not clear to me why yet 11:31:15 -!- socks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:31:19 <|amethyst> delete_all_clouds should do the same thing _clear_clouds (in files.cc) used to 11:32:19 -!- socks_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:33:16 <|amethyst> oh, X[] doesn't call delete_all_clouds 11:33:23 <|amethyst> why didn't that crash before then? 11:38:48 <|amethyst> I've got to go, but this seems easy enough to reproduce 11:39:05 <|amethyst> correct save URL is http://underhound.eu:81/saves/vible-crawl-git-4512088791-151204-1623.tar.bz2 11:39:27 <|amethyst> just do X[] then G< 11:39:27 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 11:39:29 The build passed. (master - 88d910b #4066 : Nicholas Feinberg): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94809768 11:39:29 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 11:39:51 <|amethyst> I don't see any relevant changes in files.cc but that would be the first place I'd look 11:41:04 -!- uJellie has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 11:42:04 wouldn't shock me if it was an old bug that just didn't happen to crash before 11:48:58 -!- IceBlind is now known as WorkSight 11:49:26 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:09 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-633-gc09e645: Add the contents of the monster repo to util/monster/. 10(7 weeks ago, 9 files, 1962+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c09e64592787 11:55:09 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-634-g09f666a2: Reformat monster code using the .clang-format in PR #146. 10(7 weeks ago, 4 files, 1029+ 1019-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/09f666a248f4 11:55:09 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-635-ga9541e6: Clean up monster build/code/files. 10(7 weeks ago, 12 files, 228+ 851-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a9541e6b72cc 11:55:09 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-636-g2d1334d: Fix a crash. 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 5+ 12-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d1334d95082 11:55:09 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-637-g34f176e: Monster code has been relicensed under crawl's main license. 10(81 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 24-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/34f176e17c96 11:55:09 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-638-ga16115c: Re-add the stuff necessary for CDO monster. 10(5 minutes ago, 2 files, 34+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a16115c9e8cb 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:03 ugh, apparently i don't have a CUE account 12:00:03 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 12:00:06 !messages 12:00:06 (1/1) Grunt said (23m 38s ago): there is a tag you can check to see if a fix is needed :) 12:00:18 WhatIsLove (L27 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in metal_wall at (6,16) (Vaults:5) 12:00:26 -!- SurpriseTRex_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:00:32 Grunt: who put that tag there??? 12:01:59 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:02:06 !crashlog 12:02:06 12611. WhatIsLove, XL27 OgHu, T:70810 (milestone): http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/WhatIsLove/crash-WhatIsLove-20151204-165957.txt 12:03:36 strange 12:05:47 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:06:05 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-639-gea7ce26: Don't turn old phantom mirrors into zigfigs (Grunt). 10(10 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ea7ce262aaa2 12:06:33 -!- } has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:54 Avanven (L27 TrWr) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (19,16) (Depths:4) 12:08:05 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:09:09 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:10:05 WhatIsLove (L27 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in metal_wall at (20,20) (Vaults:5) 12:11:11 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa: Avoid carrying over clouds/traps when visiting levels. 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2c992fa36d29 12:11:15 <|amethyst> wheals: there we go 12:11:25 <|amethyst> that should fix it 12:11:34 ah 12:11:53 i'm not sure that's the cause of all of them though? like whatislove's, it seems to be happening at a random turn 12:12:08 <|amethyst> !lm whatislove x=god 12:12:09 16190. [2015-12-04 17:09:49] [god=Jiyva] WhatIsLove the Conqueror (L27 OgHu of Jiyva) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in metal wall at (20,20) (Vaults:5) 12:12:10 -!- Denapoli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:12:11 <|amethyst> jiyva 12:12:14 <|amethyst> offlevel eating 12:12:14 aha 12:12:21 that would explain the floating monster warning as well 12:12:36 (though why it couldn't find a place to put it on V:5 is a question) 12:12:36 <|amethyst> must go for a bit, someone else can trigger rebuilds 12:12:40 s/floating/out of bounds/ 12:13:00 WhatIsLove (L27 OgHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in metal_wall at (23,28) (Vaults:5) 12:13:42 Medar: can you get CSZO and CUE? 12:15:57 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa (34) 12:18:09 <|amethyst> oh, re monster: probably the actual make rule should be util/monster/monster: prereqs rather than monster: prereqs 12:18:16 <|amethyst> then monster: util/monster/monster 12:18:45 <|amethyst> and add 'monster' to .PHONY: 12:18:56 <|amethyst> that way it won't try to rebuild if monster is up-to-date 12:19:06 <|amethyst> off for real now, for an hour or so anyway 12:19:13 ah 12:19:29 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:20:54 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:23:04 03wheals02 07* 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e: Don't rebuild monster when it's up to date (|amethyst). 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4caf58e58731 12:23:07 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:23:51 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c 12:24:27 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:25:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:15 The build passed. (master - e805ef5 #4067 : ontoclasm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94809821 12:25:15 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 12:28:13 ??rebuild 12:28:13 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 12:28:29 poor travis, totally unaware of the devastation going on in real crawl 12:29:25 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Quit] 12:29:53 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e (34) 12:30:40 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e (34) 12:30:57 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:31:55 -!- DrKe has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:32:20 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:33:36 &versions 12:33:54 CAO: 0.18-a0-599-gf87b446, CBRO: 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad, CDO: 0.18-a0-623-gb763cd8, CPO: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa, CSZO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CUE: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CWZ: 0.18-a0-43-g402c68f, CXC: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa, LLD: 0.18-a0-593-g3a9cb0d 12:34:04 <}> wasnt that cloud.cc bug fixed? I pulled the latest version and recompiled just fine 12:34:27 * } is not sure what's going on 12:34:34 there were couple of different bugs 12:34:46 plus it always compiled just fine I think, just crashed under certain situations 12:34:58 <}> No there was a compilation error a bit earlier for me 12:35:08 ah, well 12:35:18 errors for everyone 12:35:24 <}> I'll take 3 12:35:34 * wheals is basically Error Santa 12:35:52 %git 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad 12:35:53 07gammafunk02 * 0.18-a0-628-gc02dfad: Restore the spider count in sack of spiders (DrKe) 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c02dfadd3281 12:36:01 <}> So uh... is it intentional that quickblades never come branded from acquirement? (but all other weapons are branded) 12:36:13 -!- DrKe has joined ##crawl-dev 12:36:45 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 12:37:38 intentional, i think so 12:38:11 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 12:38:27 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:38:52 <}> Seems strange, is it related to the bug that a quickblade with speed brand crashes the game? 12:39:06 <}> Not that they can exist at all it seems 12:39:11 <}> Outside of wizmode 12:39:43 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:40:27 i'm not really sure why it is 12:40:27 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:39 <}> Alright 12:40:49 <}> It just semed very strange 12:42:07 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 12:42:08 vible (L27 FoHu) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock_wall at (14,49) (Depths:1) 12:42:29 autotraveling again 12:43:01 !lm vible crash x=vlong 12:43:01 3. [2015-12-04 17:42:06] [vlong=0.18-a0-632-g4512088] vible the Conqueror (L27 FoHu of Ashenzari) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud black smoke in rock wall at (14,49) (Depths:1) 12:43:17 should be fixed once you update 12:43:32 cool 12:44:48 erroars during orbrun are scary 12:47:57 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e (34) 12:47:59 -!- cojito has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48:03 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e (34) 12:50:33 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:22 <}> Medar, I think I fixed the shadow form bug, just need to add && you.form != TRAN_SHADOW into food.cc 12:55:34 <}> on line 309 12:55:39 <}> I'll recompile and test 12:57:16 it would be even better to make _player_alive_enough_for in transform.cc a public function and check that 12:57:22 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:10 !source food.cc:309 12:58:10 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/food.cc#l309 12:58:56 <}> wheals, I think just declaring it in some header would be sufficient? 12:59:22 yeah, and removing the static from the declaration and definition 13:00:02 <}> ok then, I'll do that and send a git format-patch if it compiles and works 13:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:00:08 and removing the leading underscore 13:00:42 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:03:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:04:07 -!- Buzzell has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04:13 -!- Dave__ has quit [Client Quit] 13:06:17 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:06:52 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:09:06 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:09:48 -!- Buzzell has joined ##crawl-dev 13:11:39 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12:22 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 13:14:41 <}> compiling on this old laptop takes forever D: 13:14:52 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:16:32 -!- Final has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:17:13 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:17:14 The build passed. 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You've activated my trap card. 13:46:09 <|amethyst> weren't old cloud traps partially lua anyway? 13:46:16 |amethyst: y3w 13:46:18 yes 13:46:21 %git HEAD^{/[Cc]loud trap}^^{/[Cc]loud trap} 13:46:22 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-2462-gaca0573: Let cloud traps follow their mechanical brethren. 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 192-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/aca0573f562e 13:46:37 %git HEAD^{/[Cc]loud trap} 13:46:37 07kilobyte02 * 0.13-a0-2471-gf2498f4: Add a compat lua callback for removed cloud traps. 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f2498f4b3bcf 13:46:40 <|amethyst> Grunt: that is likewise my favourite conifer 13:46:57 surely your favorite con1f3r 13:47:07 sorry, c0n1f3r 13:47:21 <|amethyst> we really need a numeral that looks like U 13:47:37 <|amethyst> I guess maybe 4310U is an unsigned 13:47:55 and a numeral that sometimes looks like a Y 13:48:25 <|amethyst> my ys sometimes look like 7s 13:49:07 <|amethyst> if I'm writing quickly and just move the pen horizonally on the first stroke 13:49:48 !send |amethyst angrily buzzing trees 13:49:48 Sending angrily buzzing trees to |amethyst. 13:49:56 <|amethyst> oh, I was thinking of splitting replace_all into a mutating by-ref version and a by-value version 13:50:03 <|amethyst> but am not sure what to use for names 13:50:25 <|amethyst> replace_all and replaced_all makes sense to me, but might not actually be so clear 13:50:34 <|amethyst> not everyone does Python :) 13:51:50 <|amethyst> it turns out that 80 or 90% of the calls are foo = replace_all(foo,...) 13:52:27 <|amethyst> in which case making a copy or two (depending on your compiler's return value optimisation) is silly 13:52:28 too bad C++ doesn't allow adding methods to std library types 13:53:07 looks like boost has replace_all and replace_all_copy 13:53:08 <|amethyst> eh, replace_all(foo,...) works just as well for me as foo.replace_all(...) 13:53:27 <|amethyst> it would be nice to use boost in Crawl 13:53:36 <|amethyst> but that's a pretty major dependency to be adding 13:53:53 <|amethyst> even if 90% of it is header files that we could put in contrib 13:54:01 <|amethyst> without even having to compile 13:54:15 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:54:41 <}> wheals, the way it's properly done, is you use friend functions and then make more specialized free functions 13:54:58 i was joking :) 13:55:15 <}> anyway uh 13:55:17 it would be pretty bad for readability if you could just add methods whenever, imo 13:55:20 <}> I tested the patch and it works 13:55:47 <}> Medar, http://termbin.com/g972 13:56:10 <}> only need to test that, if a vampire in batform drinks blood from corpses, bat form must turn off when full 13:57:08 <}> yeah it works too -- _Your blood-filled body can't sustain your transformation much longe 13:57:13 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:57:26 <|amethyst> I see one minor thing, which isn't an error yet 13:58:06 <|amethyst> and was in the original code 13:58:22 <|amethyst> there's an assumption that the threshold for batform and for other forms are the same 13:58:28 <|amethyst> and that it is HS_SATIATED in fact 13:59:04 <|amethyst> so just chaging _player_alive_enough_for wouldn't be enough, one would still have to change that if (newstate <= HS_SATIATED) too 13:59:35 <}> why would the threshold be different? I'm not sure I understand 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:22 <|amethyst> if we changed it to be (so maybe there was some hunger level where you could both transmute and use batform) 14:00:35 <|amethyst> (or a hunger level where you could do neither) 14:00:47 <|amethyst> I'm just trying to think of how to future-proof the code 14:01:14 <}> oh alright, that makes sense 14:01:55 <|amethyst> e.g. moving the !player_alive_enough_for if out of the if (newstate <= ) 14:02:20 <|amethyst> but there's a minor problem with that, since _p_a_e_f doesn't distinguish in return value between "too high" and "too low" 14:02:58 <|amethyst> but I gues one could combine that with the TRAN_BAT "blood-filled body" block 14:04:39 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:40 The build passed. (master - 923d68d #4069 : ontoclasm): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94814021 14:04:40 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:05:48 <}> wouldnt it be best to just move the you.form == TRAN_BAT block from newstate ,= 14:05:51 <}> <=* 14:07:21 <}> Esentially, there's 2 cases, 1. forms t hat are not usable when too full, 2. forms that are not usable when not full enough 14:07:34 <}> Right now there's only 1 form that's not usable when too full (bat form) 14:07:45 <}> So I think it's best to just make 2 blocks, for each form 14:07:47 <|amethyst> well, here there are three cases 14:07:49 <}> each type of form 14:08:13 <|amethyst> 1. to thirsty for berserk 2. too thirsty for transform 3. too full for transform 14:08:17 <|amethyst> s/to /too/ 14:09:00 <}> Well 14:09:05 <}> There's an easy way to do this 14:09:18 -!- tollymain has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:25 <|amethyst> I was just thinking that it should be 1. then 2 else 3 14:09:41 <}> Make a function toothirsty(newstate, form) and toofull(newstate, form), make them both depen on player_alive_enough 14:10:47 <|amethyst> or make player_alive_enough return a three-state enum instead of a bool 14:11:05 <|amethyst> -1 = too full, 0 = good, 1 = too thirsty 14:11:08 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 14:11:08 <}> both ways are fine I think 14:11:10 <|amethyst> or flipped, whatever 14:11:30 <|amethyst> what I was thinking was simpler than that 14:11:51 <}> for future proofing I think a three-state enum would be the easiest to work with 14:12:09 <}> since it could be used elsewhere 14:12:54 <}> it would also decouple vampires from the problem, what if future races have something similair? 14:13:01 <}> but its up to you 14:13:03 <}> ofcourse 14:13:35 <|amethyst> I kind of feel like it's unlikely we'd add another race that changes abilities on hunger level 14:13:41 <|amethyst> vampires are enough of a pain :) 14:13:46 <}> I know 14:13:47 <}> !lg 14:13:48 40. bsdbeard the Ninja (L27 VpEn of Dithmenos), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-12-03 21:56:27, with 8955545 points after 191442 turns and 22:59:46. 14:13:50 <|amethyst> but yeah 14:14:06 <|amethyst> I think the three-state (doesn't even have to be an enum, could just be an int) would be simplest 14:14:12 <}> Running out of blood in tomb3 and going to lair1 to find food sucks 14:14:20 <|amethyst> still requires some rearrangement of the logic there 14:14:31 <|amethyst> so if you do that put it in a separate commit 14:14:41 <|amethyst> on top of your first one, say 14:14:44 <}> ok 14:14:50 <}> no problem 14:15:15 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:15:28 <}> (except that it will take one billion years to compile on this machine) 14:15:31 <|amethyst> I wonder just how much stuff would show up if I grepped the codebase for '<= HS_SATIATED' 14:15:47 <}> I'll tell you in a second 14:15:48 <}> :) 14:16:05 <}> not much 14:16:17 <|amethyst> I could 32 for all four ways 14:16:25 <}> ? 14:16:25 <|amethyst> [<>]=\? HS_SATIATED 14:16:42 <|amethyst> 65 for [<>]=\? HS_ 14:16:42 <}> you dont need <> 14:16:50 <}> since you will never assign HS_SATIATED to anything 14:16:55 <}> it will always imply <> 14:17:11 <|amethyst> the = is optional though 14:17:19 <}> oh if you do < or > then yeah 14:17:49 <}> http://termbin.com/dnyp 14:17:54 <|amethyst> and you do assign it to things in a few places 14:18:37 <|amethyst> player::player obviously, but also entering TRAN_LICH 14:18:46 <|amethyst> (which is a bit weird) 14:19:43 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:21:02 <|amethyst> 79 from \([<>]=\?\|[!=]=\) HS_ 14:21:28 Bamboomancer (L17 DsBe) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud freezing vapour in rock_wall at (40,26) (Lair:1) 14:21:39 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlog 14:21:39 Unknown field: vlog 14:21:42 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlong 14:21:42 12616. [2015-12-04 19:21:30] [vlong=0.18-a0-632-g4512088] Bamboomancer the Executioner (L17 DsBe of Trog) ERROR in 'cloud.cc' at line 502: cloud freezing vapour in rock wall at (40,26) (Lair:1) 14:21:45 <}> what's with all the clouds in walls 14:22:16 <|amethyst> %versions 14:22:20 <|amethyst> %version 14:22:21 trunk: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e; 0.17: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c; 0.16: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3; 0.15: 0.15.2; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2; 0.12: 0.12.3; 0.11: 0.11.3; 0.10: 0.10.3-19-g6f05415 14:22:34 <|amethyst> Bamboomancer just needs to transfer 14:23:10 <|amethyst> }: wheals rewrote the cloud and trap API and data structures yesterday 14:23:27 <}> that would do it 14:23:31 -!- zxc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:23:32 <|amethyst> that was not entirely without incident :) 14:24:15 <|amethyst> I'm actually a little surprised our test suite didn't trigger any of the crashes 14:24:43 <|amethyst> since we do things like generating lots of levels 14:25:27 <|amethyst> we could maybe try to make a time-limited qw run part of the standard test suite 14:25:39 that sounds good 14:25:43 <|amethyst> also, loading saves 14:25:48 <}> |amethyst, can I put the berserk check in player_alive_enough_for? 14:26:08 <|amethyst> }: how would you even do that? 14:26:15 <|amethyst> }: berserk isn't a transformation 14:26:25 <}> it isnt, but the check only depends on you.duration 14:26:30 <}> which is accessible 14:26:33 btt (L9 CeFi) (D:7) 14:26:43 <|amethyst> }: right, but 14:27:03 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:27:09 <}> but? 14:27:13 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:27:44 <}> I guess it doesn't fit in transform.cc if you add berserk check, being overly literal, it would make the code cleaner IMO 14:28:04 <}> since it ignores you.form 14:28:08 <|amethyst> }: right, so 14:28:24 <|amethyst> }: does that mean if you're too thirsty to berserk, player_alive_enough_for would return false? 14:28:38 !crashlog btt 14:28:39 21. btt, XL8 CeFi, T:7384 (milestone): http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/btt/crash-btt-20151204-192712.txt 14:28:44 <}> in a tri-state system it would return TOO_THIRSTY 14:28:56 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:28:59 <|amethyst> because I don't see why too thirsty to berserk should mean you answer "yes" to "are you too thirsty to enter bat form" 14:29:04 |amethyst: i need to bug you to rebuild CDO 14:29:30 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:29:42 <}> |amethyst, I understand the concern (it ignores the only argument of the function), I just think it would be nice 14:29:58 <|amethyst> it's not that it ignores the argument of the function 14:30:03 <|amethyst> look at the comment on the function 14:30:04 <}> because now you do two checks, making player_too_alive_for a bit silly, since you do a manual check afterwards anyway 14:30:09 <|amethyst> * Is the player alive enough to become the given form? 14:30:32 Game Crash due to Freezing Cloud? 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10138 by Bamboomancer 14:30:32 <|amethyst> You will be answering that question *incorrectly* if you check for "too hungry to berserk" in that function 14:30:57 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:31:04 <}> |amethyst, no, there's an easy way for that to make the answer correct 14:31:09 <}> but you wont like it I bet! 14:31:12 <|amethyst> ? 14:31:23 -!- baco has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:31:36 <}> add another parameter for transformation_type, TRAN_BERSERK_CHECK or such 14:31:37 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Client Quit] 14:31:42 <|amethyst> what 14:31:42 <|amethyst> no 14:31:45 <|amethyst> that's stupid 14:31:49 <}> yeah see 14:32:40 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:33:50 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:35:32 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:36:19 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:36:27 btt (L8 CeFi) (D:7) 14:37:00 <}> In an ideal world you would add a real player_alive_enough_for, and rename the current to player_alive_enough_for_transformation, call p_a_e_f_t from p_a_e_f 14:37:03 <|amethyst> Napkin: I had to resolve a conflict in the local Makefile commits when updating the build; I wasn't sure whether that needs to be pushed anywhere or not 14:37:31 <|amethyst> }: what would player_alive_enough_for's signature look like? 14:38:02 oops, sorry 14:38:13 no, only the last 2 commits are needed for cdo and no remote for that. did you amend the existing commits? 14:39:09 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e (34) 14:39:11 <|amethyst> Napkin: yeah, git mergetool and git rebase --continue 14:39:22 great, thank you :) 14:40:38 Napkin: by the way, i think make install-monster on a crawl makefile should do everything that make install-trunk did on the monster makefile now 14:40:46 <|amethyst> }: It sounds like you want bool player_alive_enough(); which returns true if there is something prevented by your current hunger level, but I don't think that would be a useful function to call 14:40:48 unless there's anything i missed 14:41:17 oh? you merged it to crawl repo? 14:41:22 yep 14:41:28 <|amethyst> possibly that (the install-monster target) should be pulled out into CDO's local patches 14:41:45 yeah 14:41:58 nice, though 14:42:18 if so, someone should put a comment in util/gather_mons that the -t mode is not unused 14:42:25 i need to check, which of the monster binaries is called by the website 14:42:35 <}> |amethyst, it would need its own enums 14:42:49 <}> or several version with different parameter type 14:42:57 glad i could help :) 14:42:58 <}> several overloads for transformation_type, etc. 14:43:16 <|amethyst> }: ah, I see what you're getting at now 14:43:16 good to know we can get it set up for people testing locally and for the online lookups 14:44:10 <}> The question is, how often does this actually happen in the code? You said HS_SATIATED is checked 72 times? 14:44:15 <|amethyst> }: IMO the best way to approach that at the moment would be to add a player_too_hungry_for_berserk() 14:44:27 <|amethyst> but only if you can also call that from can_go_berserk 14:44:32 <}> Right, if it's not going to be used much, there's no point in doing it 14:44:40 <|amethyst> also because 14:44:40 there's something _like_ that right now 14:44:52 <|amethyst> wheals: can_go_berserk is the thing like that, I think 14:45:01 is_lifeless_undead() 14:45:14 <|amethyst> aha 14:45:19 <|amethyst> I completely forgot about that 14:45:24 <|amethyst> despite having written it 14:46:08 <|amethyst> could maybe be renamed or split into three functions 14:46:37 <|amethyst> right now it's about having blood, being able to rage, and being able to polymorph 14:46:58 <|amethyst> well, bleeding rather 14:46:59 <}> so now theres is_lifeless_undead and player_alive_enough 14:47:43 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:49:04 -!- tedric has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:49:20 <|amethyst> yeah, those could be renamed to be similar 14:49:43 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:49:44 The build passed. (master - c02dfad #4070 : gammafunk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94815061 14:49:44 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 14:50:36 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:51:09 <}> and can_go_berserk conveniently checks is_lifeless_undead 14:53:53 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:56:41 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 14:57:15 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:36 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:04:43 -!- baco has quit [Changing host] 15:11:52 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:12:04 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:27 -!- ArcaneNH has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:22:15 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:30:11 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:36:56 &versions 15:37:14 CAO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CBRO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CDO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CPO: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa, CSZO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CUE: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CWZ: 0.18-a0-43-g402c68f, CXC: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa, LLD: 0.18-a0-593-g3a9cb0d 15:37:18 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 15:38:55 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:41:53 03ebering02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/194 * 0.18-a0-647-ga4255d5: Merge branch 'master' into fedhas_fixer 10(22 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a4255d523509 15:42:30 the build for that pr keeps breaking but it builds fine at home so I am confused 15:43:15 -!- SSG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:43:51 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:51:45 -!- HellTiger has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 15:52:23 travis isn't super reliable, so could just be that 15:52:43 or could be problems with different build options tiles/webtiles etc. 15:52:46 or running tests 15:53:51 checking the logs may give some idea 15:56:45 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:57:54 undeclared function in tags.cc was the previous one (the one before was an actual error!) 15:58:38 maybe you just inherited a bad version from master, we'll see if the merge helps 15:58:51 that was my thought 16:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: I'M OUT SON. PEACE, LOVE, EXPLOSIONS.] 16:05:01 MarvinPA: re twisted demonspawn, I really want to increase the threat level of mutations if I'm making them all(ish) temporary 16:05:49 like the average pan neqoxec probably malmutes you 0.2 times 16:05:54 i want something more like a hellion 16:08:41 hellmutation 16:09:24 a blast of mutation hits you! You feel frail x3 16:09:24 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:25 The build was broken. (master - 7604090 #4072 : Shmuale Mark): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94893458 16:09:25 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 16:09:51 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c 16:20:12 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:21:57 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:23:01 the thing with giving lots of temporary mutations is that it's then pretty annoying to keep track of them all 16:23:25 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:23:57 that's true. perhaps should just give >1 level at a time 16:24:01 current wretched stars are already an offender there, if you get a whole stack of stuff and maybe one of the mutations is something really important and noticeable and others aren't, and then you have to keep track of which have expired and when 16:25:12 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:44 -!- xczxc has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:34:18 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:37:40 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:38:21 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:40:35 -!- Annabella has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:57:40 -!- socks_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:59:54 -!- socks_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:40 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:02:51 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:07:40 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:09:47 hey guys, should evocations still be skilled to at least 10? 17:10:07 i remember that statement just barely.. 17:10:39 umm, depends what you want to do :) don't think there is any magic number there (might be wrong) 17:11:36 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:11:40 use wands in a reasonable manner 17:12:02 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:12:08 i think greensnark told me once, but no sure anymore 17:12:10 *not 17:12:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:22 <|amethyst> can probably get better advice in ##crawl, but I imagine you want to stay away from filthy users :) 17:12:43 <|amethyst> s/filthy users/assholes/ 17:13:08 <}> I think with the new god you can train evo, get wands then abandon him 17:13:10 &dump Napkin 17:13:11 http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/0.17/Napkin/Napkin.txt 17:13:12 error: strings are equal 17:13:15 <}> I saw arra doing it very effectively 17:16:58 Napkin: try finding some other evocables than wands, they are really good when you have the skill 17:17:32 <}> sack of spiders, fan of gales in particular 17:17:38 for only wands, I probably wouldn't train evo too much 17:19:45 that difficult in ##crawl nowadays, |amethyst? 17:19:56 <|amethyst> not really :) 17:20:05 yeah, found the new box of something, Medar, very nice! 17:20:22 i remember when we first moved here 17:20:29 -dev, i mean 17:20:45 too much argueing and whining from players - like me ;) 17:20:58 <|amethyst> that's what Tavern's for now 17:21:11 <|amethyst> we occasionally get players showing up to whine 17:21:14 <|amethyst> here, I mean 17:21:22 heh 17:21:48 nobody wanted a forum in the first place ;) 17:21:49 did piety troves change? 17:22:07 since when? 17:22:24 late 0.17 17:22:33 or a couple mos ago 17:22:44 not that I noticed 17:22:47 %git :/trove 17:22:47 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-100-g1e63804: Merge pull request #174 from amalloy/ghoul-cmut 10(3 weeks ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1e6380498046 17:23:02 !gitgrep trove 2 17:23:02 %git HEAD^{/2} 17:23:02 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-620-g78a784f: Add Doom Hounds 10(9 days ago, 18 files, 168+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78a784fba588 17:23:06 !gitgrep 2 trove 17:23:07 %git HEAD^{/trove}^^{/trove} 17:23:07 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-1792-g3f9e932: Blocking trove wand tolls for characters with Sac Artifice 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f9e932fb974 17:23:12 <|amethyst> %git 4a7ea2af 17:23:12 07nrook02 {|amethyst} * 0.16-a0-1517-g4a7ea2a: (LogicNinja) Fix nopiety troves with amulets of faith. 10(1 year, 1 month ago, 2 files, 10+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4a7ea2afd839 17:24:11 ok, that looked like it might have been related but i'm guessing pak piety just builds slower than i thought 17:24:43 i did one right before doing snake and found a randart faith amulet in there that i've been wearing, and i still haven't gotten a star of piety by snake:4 yet 17:25:01 although i guess the recent change to faith is probably affecting that too 17:25:34 <|amethyst> that seems a little slow 17:26:33 ah, well, i also found a regular faith amulet in there and put it on then swapped it for the randart faith one 17:26:51 so that probably put my piety as close to zero as it could get before i started gaining it 17:27:12 <|amethyst> hm 17:27:14 it's probably just hard to judge, since usually you aren't really gaining piety at that point, just keeping at/near max 17:27:51 <|amethyst> I guess, but even from zero piety without "faith I'd expect a star of piety from Snake:1-3 17:27:57 if i finish snake and get like halfway through shoals and still don't have a star, i'll mention it 17:28:02 yeah, i've full cleared them too 17:28:04 yeah. are you doing snake slow? 17:28:06 <|amethyst> !lm prozacelf br.enter=snake 17:28:07 i mean, a fair amount of resting 17:28:07 27. [2015-12-04 21:56:12] ProzacElf the Apprentice (L17 KoAr of Pakellas) entered the Snake Pit on turn 38399. (Lair:6) 17:28:11 <|amethyst> !lm prozacelf 17:28:12 11442. [2015-12-04 22:22:41] ProzacElf the Apprentice (L18 KoAr of Pakellas) reached level 4 of the Snake Pit on turn 45382. (Snake:4) 17:28:16 i just entered 4 17:28:21 <|amethyst> hm, 7000 turn 17:28:26 <|amethyst> s 17:28:30 i don't know what pak's natural decay is like 17:28:34 although it seems fairly quick 17:28:34 !lm prozacelf x=urune 17:28:35 11442. [2015-12-04 22:22:41] [urune=0] ProzacElf the Apprentice (L18 KoAr of Pakellas) reached level 4 of the Snake Pit on turn 45382. (Snake:4) 17:29:45 if the decay rate is relatively fast it might account for some of it. i haven't exactly been keeping turncount down at all 17:30:11 because my ocd forces me to make somewhat organized stashes =p 17:30:18 <|amethyst> Pakellas has reasonably quick piety delay 17:30:24 <|amethyst> same as Yred, Kiku, Veh, Zin 17:30:29 hm 17:30:35 that's not super fast though 17:30:36 <|amethyst> 1/17 17:30:41 <|amethyst> fastest is 1/16 17:30:47 oh really? 17:30:53 <|amethyst> for Trog, Oka, Makhleb, Beogh, Lugonu, Dith, Qaz 17:30:56 i thought a couple gods had 1/10 17:31:21 if it seems to be an issue later i'll mention it again 17:31:46 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:08 maybe pak secretly loves snakes 17:32:53 -!- k319 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:33:14 haha 17:33:22 <|amethyst> Trog and Oka used to be 1/14 17:33:32 that's probably what i was thinking of 17:33:35 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 17:33:35 <|amethyst> but where lowered to 1/16 when they stopped accepting corpse sac 17:33:39 <|amethyst> s/where/were/ 17:34:07 ah 17:36:42 I'm removing some more() calls and replacing them with force_more_message in defaults/messages.txt 17:36:48 which is good 17:37:43 but it's a bit of nightmare to keep up to date, as the code line and the config are in totally different places 17:38:03 -!- Mercuria1Alchemi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:38:28 <|amethyst> add a comment in the code maybe 17:38:28 I guess I could just add comments 17:38:31 <|amethyst> :) 17:38:41 <|amethyst> "So do they just hate Nemelex or what? First they get rid of his item sacrifice ability, and now they try to replace him as the de facto artificer/evocation god?" 17:39:34 are you reading reddit again 17:39:39 <|amethyst> heh 17:40:15 how many gods do we have to remove to make nemelex popular? 17:40:21 !tell grunt where's the trunk update about pak, grunt. 17:40:21 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let grunt know. 17:40:56 <|amethyst> !learn add doh[2] 17:40:56 doh[2/2]: 17:41:53 !tell grunt also have pak retain the no mp regen during the wrath 17:41:53 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let grunt know. 17:42:55 i did finally get a star in snake:4 for the record 17:43:03 nice 17:43:06 <|amethyst> !tell grunt also, should Pak do something about VS bite? 17:43:07 |amethyst: OK, I'll let grunt know. 17:43:35 also, introducing pakellas is probably going to reduce nem popularity even further 17:43:57 and i think he should probably do something about VS bite, although that's trickier 17:44:25 <}> nem would be more popular if inventory management didnt suck so much with nem 17:44:30 agreed 17:44:39 is there a way to auto-sort inventory 17:44:42 nem would be more popular if it was more transparent how awesome decks are 17:44:42 it's a problem with pak too, but it's a more enjoyable problem to have 17:44:47 <|amethyst> tollymain: sort in what sense? 17:44:52 heh 17:44:53 tollymain: yes 17:44:56 like, say you have a dozen nem decks 17:44:57 &rc 17:44:58 http://CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM/crawl/rcfiles/crawl-0.17/Medar.rc 17:45:02 i'm using decks with pak, since i'm already cranking evo 17:45:07 sort_menus = true : equipped, identified, basename, qualname, curse, qty 17:45:08 is what I use 17:45:12 if you could sort them by type/quality automatically 17:45:18 maybe making decks exclusive to nem would work 17:45:26 although i wouldn't be a huge fan of that solution 17:45:32 <|amethyst> ah, just in the inventory list, not the actual letter 17:45:39 also I've been meaning to push that (or something similiar) as default... 17:45:49 yeah amethyst 17:46:28 hmm, talking time seems unaware of pak's existence 17:46:33 grunt really needs to make that pak post 17:46:41 <|amethyst> Medar: hm, for a default I am concerned about applying it to pickup menus 17:47:03 -!- tedric has joined ##crawl-dev 17:47:10 i think i pointed out on some tavern thread that the power of decks isn't the problem with nemelex. the problem is that it's a huge hassle to deal with your decks and keep the space for them 17:47:19 <}> ProzacElf, I agree 17:47:26 <}> I like nemelex but its too annoying 17:47:32 |amethyst: inventory menus are the important ones, also doesn't have to be all item classes 17:47:46 <|amethyst> I think merging decks of the same type would probably work reasonably, but a few Nemelex abilities would need to change 17:47:59 <|amethyst> e.g. deal four couldn't waste the remainder of the deck 17:48:09 |amethyst: it's much easier to find consumables/wands when they are alphabetically ordered 17:48:10 <|amethyst> would have to be waste N instead 17:48:21 <|amethyst> Medar: yeah, I think for inventory menu it sounds fine 17:48:29 "Here are a few less than obvious things I had to look up, be told, or otherwise know beforehand during my recent 15-rune win alone:" 17:48:33 -Your Shields skill doesn't just reduce the encumbrance of your equipped shield, but can itself raise your SH score. 17:48:35 ??? 17:48:56 <}> CanOfWorms, what 17:49:00 -You don't need to have a weapon currently equipped in order to use a brand weapon scroll (or various gods' Bless Weapon ability) on it. 17:49:01 <|amethyst> A high Shields skill helps you block melee attacks or projectiles (both magical 17:49:04 <|amethyst> and non-magical) with your equipped shield. Some attacks, such as penetrating 17:49:07 <|amethyst> bolts, cannot be blocked at all. 17:49:10 http://www.talking-time.net/showpost.php?p=2048607&postcount=3143 17:49:12 <}> CanOfWorms, isnt that obvious 17:49:16 I know 17:49:23 I'm reading this post 17:49:23 <}> oh 17:49:26 <|amethyst> the help in fact mentions the specific thing he wasn't expecting, and *doesn't* mention the thing he was 17:49:36 <|amethyst> "Bad advice I had to unlearn" might be better 17:49:37 I'm confused at how you realize shield skill reduces encumbrance but not increases SH 17:49:45 it's like 17:49:45 well the second one is fair, it wasn't so long ago that you had to wield the weapon 17:49:45 fwiw, the shields increasing SH is not something I realised either 17:49:49 what do you think dodging does 17:50:00 or AC 17:50:09 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms: because people on the forums told him "increase SH until you have eliminated the penalty, and no further" 17:50:23 yeah 17:50:35 <|amethyst> At high power, this spell is capable of destroying some walls: rock, stone or 17:50:38 <|amethyst> metal walls have a chance of being destroyed with at least 5, 6 or 7 bars of 17:50:41 <|amethyst> power. 17:50:47 extra shields training is key for getting 'crazy' without a large shield 17:51:08 sounds a little out of control 17:51:15 <|amethyst> I guess he's considering reading the descriptions to be "looking up" in the same way that reading nethack spoilers is "looking up" 17:51:16 i'll stick to 2-handed weapons tyvm 17:51:30 !lg . won / crazy 17:51:31 6/107 games for Medar (won): N=6/107 (5.61%) 17:51:46 <|amethyst> Granted, the thing about *Confuse *Corrode and *Contam aren't in the help 17:51:48 <|amethyst> err 17:51:54 <|amethyst> they might (should) be in the manual 17:52:03 <|amethyst> oh 17:52:06 * Medar is 94% sane 17:52:07 <|amethyst> they are also in xv 17:52:14 <|amethyst> !kw crazy 17:52:15 Keyword: crazy => ((sh>=50 || sh>25 newsh)) crace!=og|tr|na|ce|fo 17:52:21 <|amethyst> !lg . / crazy 17:52:22 0/11708 games for |amethyst: N=0/11708 (0.00%) 17:52:36 <|amethyst> !lg . / skill=shields 17:52:36 235/11708 games for |amethyst: N=235/11708 (2.01%) 17:52:46 !lg . max=sh x=sh 17:52:46 <|amethyst> !lg . skill=shields max=sklev 17:52:47 1186. [sh=41] chequers the Maledictor (L27 TrFi of The Shining One), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-07-04 12:08:38, with 15628656 points after 101217 turns and 6:50:09. 17:52:47 235. neil the Blocker (L16 HaHu of Nemelex Xobeh), mangled by an ettin on Lair:6 on 2012-11-25 02:32:38, with 96465 points after 19068 turns and 1:32:11. 17:52:52 <|amethyst> !lg . skill=shields max=sklev x=sklev 17:52:53 235. [sklev=16] neil the Blocker (L16 HaHu of Nemelex Xobeh), mangled by an ettin on Lair:6 on 2012-11-25 02:32:38, with 96465 points after 19068 turns and 1:32:11. 17:52:55 rip |amethyst 17:53:16 <|amethyst> !lg . skill=shields max=sklev x=sklev,shields 17:53:17 Unknown field: shields 17:53:21 <|amethyst> !lg . skill=shields max=sklev x=sklev,sh 17:53:21 235. [sklev=16;sh=0] neil the Blocker (L16 HaHu of Nemelex Xobeh), mangled by an ettin on Lair:6 on 2012-11-25 02:32:38, with 96465 points after 19068 turns and 1:32:11. 17:53:35 ok, that's a bit crazy 17:53:43 <|amethyst> probably paralysed? 17:53:45 oh, before sh= was a thing 17:53:46 <|amethyst> !lg . skill=shields max=sklev -log 17:53:47 235. neil, XL16 HaHu, T:19068: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/neil/morgue-neil-20121125-023238.txt 17:53:48 or that 17:53:48 <|amethyst> ahh 17:53:50 <|amethyst> that was it 17:53:52 <|amethyst> 2012 17:54:03 <|amethyst> SH 30 17:54:10 <|amethyst> 60% of the way to crazy 17:54:14 not enough 17:54:32 !kw diesel 17:54:32 Keyword: diesel => ac>=46 ev>=31 17:54:39 60% of crazy is NOT crazy 17:54:44 <|amethyst> !lg * halfling / crazy 17:54:44 !lg * crazy diesel 17:54:45 26/64218 games for * (halfling): N=26/64218 (0.04%) 17:54:50 441. rchandra the Lord of Darkness (L27 VpFi of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2015-12-04 07:00:27, with 2758238 points after 90142 turns and 11:26:59. 17:54:56 <|amethyst> !lg * s=crace / crazy o=% 17:55:09 7489/4982296 games for *: 1740/172748x Gargoyle [1.01%], 2582/320551x Minotaur [0.81%], 427/97234x Vine Stalker [0.44%], 112/28070x Lava Orc [0.40%], 287/88011x Deep Dwarf [0.33%], 597/205546x Hill Orc [0.29%], 1/598x Lacertilian [0.17%], 99/64973x Ghoul [0.15%], 625/549797x Demonspawn [0.11%], 236/242251x Octopode [0.10%], 178/221535x Draconian [0.08%], 108/160277x Human [0.07%], 116/178403x Merf... 17:55:16 <|amethyst> !lg * s=crace / crazy o=-% 17:55:29 7489/4982296 games for *: 0/2x Yak [0.00%], 0/524x Imp [0.00%], 0/589x Plutonian [0.00%], 0/592x Salamander [0.00%], 0/159707x Troll [0.00%], 0/779x Cherufe [0.00%], 0/897x Bearkin [0.00%], 0/1095x Elf [0.00%], 0/1725x Hill Dwarf [0.00%], 0/3547x Gnome [0.00%], 0/4289x Ogre-Mage [0.00%], 0/6046x Grey Elf [0.00%], 0/138152x Naga [0.00%], 0/131005x Ogre [0.00%], 0/103271x Formicid [0.00%], 0/88489x ... 17:55:40 <|amethyst> err 17:55:41 0 naga! 17:55:49 <|amethyst> because crazy includes !naga 17:56:07 oh 17:56:09 <|amethyst> !lg * s=crace / ((sh>50 || sh>25 newsh)) o=-% 17:56:21 9843/4982296 games for *: 0/2x Yak [0.00%], 0/524x Imp [0.00%], 0/589x Plutonian [0.00%], 0/592x Salamander [0.00%], 0/88489x Felid [0.00%], 0/779x Cherufe [0.00%], 0/897x Bearkin [0.00%], 0/1095x Elf [0.00%], 0/1725x Hill Dwarf [0.00%], 0/3547x Gnome [0.00%], 0/4289x Ogre-Mage [0.00%], 0/6046x Grey Elf [0.00%], 0/97275x Mountain Dwarf [0.00%], 2/238413x Spriggan [0.00%], 2/74914x Sludge Elf [0.00... 17:56:23 <|amethyst> !lg * recent s=crace / ((sh>50 || sh>25 newsh)) o=-% 17:56:27 I actually really like large shield underskilled (say 20) on normal races when I'm shielding 17:56:27 yeah, naga get the large race shield bonus 17:56:30 4486/932022 games for * (recent): 0/1x Sludge Elf [0.00%], 0/9x Djinni [0.00%], 0/10x Lava Orc [0.00%], 0/18020x Felid [0.00%], 0/524x Imp [0.00%], 2/35217x Spriggan [0.01%], 9/18522x Kobold [0.05%], 11/21985x Vampire [0.05%], 35/55815x Deep Elf [0.06%], 26/37135x High Elf [0.07%], 16/19340x Demigod [0.08%], 20/24063x Tengu [0.08%], 12/12596x Halfling [0.10%], 93/67647x Octopode [0.14%], 48/34147x... 17:56:38 it is really good if you're not casting for damage 17:56:50 <|amethyst> !lg * spriggan max=sh x=sh,skill,sklev 17:56:52 238413. [sh=36;sk=Spellcasting;sklev=19] nubinia the Eclecticist (L19 SpVM of Qazlal), quit the game on Crypt:1 on 2014-05-28 04:52:08, with 284861 points after 62282 turns and 11:54:07. 17:56:57 even if you are, the penalty isn't that much at that point 17:56:59 <|amethyst> !lg * spriggan max=sh -log 17:57:00 238413. nubinia, XL19 SpVM, T:62282: http://crawl.develz.org/morgues/trunk/nubinia/morgue-nubinia-20140528-045208.txt 17:57:12 fr you can only get the "lord of darkness" title if you have a cloak equipped 17:57:15 oh. 20 skill probably isn't bad 17:57:22 batform Vp gets called Batlord of Darkness 17:57:24 <|amethyst> oh, right, qazlal 17:57:29 i start using them at like 10-12 on guys who aren't casting 17:57:31 !lg * (crazy && diesel) 17:57:32 Broken query near ' && diesel)' 17:57:36 aw 17:57:38 <|amethyst> Dixie: double parens 17:57:38 !kw diesel 17:57:39 Keyword: diesel => ac>=46 ev>=31 17:57:41 !kw crazy 17:57:42 Keyword: crazy => ((sh>=50 || sh>25 newsh)) crace!=og|tr|na|ce|fo 17:57:44 mpr("Couldn't find player ghost, probably going to crash."); 17:57:44 <|amethyst> !lg * ((crazy && diesel)) 17:57:45 No keyword '&&' 17:57:46 \o/ chequers 17:57:47 <|amethyst> oh right 17:57:51 <|amethyst> !lg * crazy diesel 17:57:54 lol 17:57:56 441. rchandra the Lord of Darkness (L27 VpFi of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2015-12-04 07:00:27, with 2758238 points after 90142 turns and 11:26:59. 17:58:03 i was thinking 'what is this crazy syntax' 17:58:18 haha 17:58:23 <|amethyst> !lg * crazy diesel x=max(sh+ac+ev) 17:58:28 441 games for * (crazy diesel): max(ev+sh+ac)=843 17:58:33 <|amethyst> !lg * crazy diesel max=(sh+ac+ev) 17:58:33 Unknown field: max 17:58:44 <|amethyst> !lg * crazy diesel (sh+ac+ev==843) 17:58:44 Broken query near '' 17:58:49 <|amethyst> oh right 17:58:54 <|amethyst> corpse armour 17:58:54 s=max? 17:59:01 !lg * crazy diesel max=${ev+sh+ac} 17:59:04 !lg * crazy diesel max=${ev+sh+ac} 17:59:04 yeah, that ruins it (also some bugs) 17:59:09 441. Happylisk the Invulnerable (L27 GrNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2015-03-22 15:39:03, with 3984380 points after 78272 turns and 4:58:25. 17:59:14 !lg * crazy diesel max=${ev+sh+ac} x=ac,ev,sh 17:59:19 441. [ac=438;ev=41;sh=364] Happylisk the Invulnerable (L27 GrNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2015-03-22 15:39:03, with 3984380 points after 78272 turns and 4:58:25. 17:59:34 <|amethyst> !kw embrace 17:59:34 hahaha 17:59:34 No keyword 'embrace' 17:59:42 !lg * crazy diesel max=${ev+sh+ac} x=ac,ev,sh,status 17:59:47 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.17 crazy diesel max=(sh+ac+ev) 17:59:47 441. [ac=438;ev=41;sh=364;status=mighty,brilliant,agile,phasing,flying,very slightly contaminated,corpse armour] Happylisk the Invulnerable (L27 GrNe of Kikubaaqudgha), escaped with the Orb and 6 runes on 2015-03-22 15:39:03, with 3984380 points after 78272 turns and 4:58:25. 17:59:48 Unknown field: max 17:59:48 CanOfWorms: i started reading that post 17:59:55 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.17 crazy diesel max=${sh+ac+ev} 17:59:55 45. DickyLongcocking the End of an Era (L27 DsWn of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-11-12 15:52:30, with 10916784 points after 155376 turns and 11:56:25. 18:00:01 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.17 crazy diesel max=${sh+ac+ev} x=sh,ac,ev 18:00:02 45. [sh=27;ac=98;ev=39] DickyLongcocking the End of an Era (L27 DsWn of Qazlal), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-11-12 15:52:30, with 10916784 points after 155376 turns and 11:56:25. 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:11 !lg * crazy diesel max=${ev+sh+ac} -log 18:00:12 !lg * crazy diesel max=${ev+sh+ac} x=ac,ev,sh,status status!~~corpse|phas|agile 18:00:13 i like how this guy's nethack solutions to problems are "find equipment you won't have access to in all likelihood" 18:00:15 <|amethyst> that's something 18:00:16 441. Happylisk, XL27 GrNe, T:78272: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Happylisk/morgue-Happylisk-20150322-153903.txt 18:00:22 279. [ac=73;ev=41;sh=69;status=flying] tcjsavannah the Intangible (L27 GrFi of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2014-06-04 01:35:38, with 16766304 points after 92937 turns and 11:51:05. 18:01:02 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:39 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:05:04 -!- culcube is now known as phyphor 18:09:31 -!- st_ has quit [] 18:09:32 <}> LordSloth, nice! you killed him didnt ya 18:09:35 <}> oops 18:09:38 <}> how did that happen 18:10:18 ! 18:10:20 http://forum.canardpc.com/threads/35333-Roguelike-Dungeon-Crawl-masochisme-et-tourisme-souterrain 18:10:22 french discussion 18:10:29 <}> !lg * s=name / crazy o=% 18:10:53 7489/4982332 games for *: 1/1x awesomesauce [100.00%], 1/1x ThinkMad [100.00%], 1/1x DeadlyAlarya [100.00%], 1/1x Anonyymi [100.00%], 1/1x UNK [100.00%], 1/1x AlcofribasNasier [100.00%], 1/1x ssyoun [100.00%], 1/1x Mihus [100.00%], 1/1x Lith [100.00%], 1/1x gump [100.00%], 1/1x ter4646 [100.00%], 1/1x ascii [100.00%], 1/1x RobEllwood [100.00%], 2/4x MinotaurStreaker [50.00%], 1/2x ReeallyStein [50... 18:10:57 <}> CanOfWorms, are you french? 18:11:02 no 18:11:04 canadian 18:12:38 http://forum.canardpc.com/threads/35333-Roguelike-Dungeon-Crawl-masochisme-et-tourisme-souterrain?p=9443314&viewfull=1#post9443314 18:12:42 .jugged 18:12:42 171. [dam=22;tdam=64] ktulu8bugs the Demonic Aeon (L25 DsIE of Cheibriados), slain by a juggernaut zombie on Zig:12 on 2015-12-04 14:47:18, with 577958 points after 65256 turns and 7:22:10. 18:14:13 -!- apparatus has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:16:00 -!- yxhuvud has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:20:59 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:22:33 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:25:39 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:27:59 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:33:54 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:34:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:38:44 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:30 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:48:28 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:52 -!- debo_ is now known as Guest84902 18:48:59 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:58:24 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:59:20 "This weapon's minimum attack delay of 1.3 is reached at skill level 28." - erm, did i miss something? 18:59:28 nope 18:59:42 thought so :D 18:59:44 dark maul? 18:59:50 <|amethyst> well, that seems buggy 18:59:50 that's kinda the point of those weapons, yeh 18:59:53 the +15 heavy crossbow "Sniper" {velocity, SInv} 18:59:54 yeah, it does 18:59:54 Lasty: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 18:59:54 <|amethyst> should say level 27 18:59:59 and 13.5 19:00:00 <|amethyst> ah 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:04 er 1.35 19:00:31 that line was my code change, supporting dark maul/sniper would have required a lot of extra stuff 19:00:45 and it seemed vaguely funny to reference level 28, so I left it like that 19:00:56 although perhaps it should report that you just can't get there 19:01:25 (the problem with saying that is it might be taken to imply there's some way to get skill 28) 19:01:59 "This weapon's minimum attack delay of 1.3 is impossible." ;) 19:02:49 or "1.0 at 34" - that would be more obvious 19:03:00 ;) 19:03:15 I think I'd say something like "This weapon's effective minimum attack delay of ... is reached at skill level 27; the true minimum cannot be reached" 19:03:31 <|amethyst> you'd have to change the scale of weapon_min_delay 19:03:48 <|amethyst> to show 1.35 19:03:54 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:58 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 19:03:59 geekosaur: That seems pointless imo, if it can't be reached it's not the minimum 19:04:01 <|amethyst> right now it can return either 13 or 14 19:04:14 well, if all that doesn't work.. how about a race with the level 27 limit? :> 19:04:25 -!- njorth has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:04:27 <|amethyst> the only reason the "true minimum" is different here 19:04:39 <|amethyst> is because of rounding 19:05:38 <|amethyst> in particular 19:05:44 hotfix, just add (but not by you) :P 19:05:50 <|amethyst> min_delay = max(min_delay, base - (MAX_SKILL_LEVEL + 1)/2); 19:06:06 -!- Guest84902 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:06:59 while you're at it, please make dragons crush doors 19:07:07 ??XTAHUA 19:07:07 XTAHUA[1/2]: A POWERFUL UNIQUE DRAGON, USUALLY FOUND IN THE MIDGAME. BREATHES PAINFUL (3D38) FIRE, BUT VULNERABLE TO COLD. HIS MELEE DAMAGE POTENTIAL IS NOTHING TO SNEEZE AT, EITHER. AT SOME POINT DURING HIS YEARS AS AN ANCIENT AND MIGHTY DRAGON, HE LEARNED HOW TO OPEN, AND THEN SMASH, DOORS. 19:07:15 :D 19:08:05 the others just wait patiently ;) 19:08:38 -!- NotKintak has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:08:57 they aren't mighty enough 19:09:21 might doors indeed 19:09:24 *mighty 19:11:23 -!- luukano has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:11:25 -!- GeneralStupidity has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 19:12:01 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:11 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:13 ??mp regen 19:12:13 I don't have a page labeled mp_regen in my learndb. 19:12:17 ??mana regeneration 19:12:17 I don't have a page labeled mana_regeneration in my learndb. 19:12:26 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:30 is mana regeneration a fixed amount or does it scale based on your mana pool 19:12:40 scales afaik 19:12:41 ??mp 19:12:41 mp[1/3]: Cast spells with this. Mp increases by 1 for each XL you gain. It also increases by 1 per highest skill value you have among Spellcasting, Invo, and Evo, where Invo and Evo count as 0.5 skill per level. The first 8 matching levels of XL and skill give you 0.5 mp each, so XL 3 and spellcasting 3 gives an extra 1.5 mp. Mp is not capped. 19:12:53 ??mp[2 19:12:53 mp[2/3]: Mp aptitude gives a flat +aptitude mp to your base mp -- e.g. +1 aptitude = +1 total mp. +Mp mutations and racial mutations are added after XL and skill are calculated. +mp items are added last. 19:12:56 ??mp[3 19:12:57 mp[3/3]: You gain maxmp + 14 mp every 200 turns. 19:13:43 there we go 19:16:23 * Grunt appears! 19:17:50 grunt. 19:17:59 * Grunt crumbles away. 19:18:00 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:18:08 --more-- 19:18:09 !shatter Grunt 19:18:10 n1k gestures wildly while chanting. ##crawl-dev rumbles around n1k! Grunt shudders from the earth-shattering force. 19:18:15 surely grunt gruntles away 19:19:10 and where's the trunk update, grunt. 19:19:38 <|amethyst> Grunt's been updating trunk all week! 19:20:05 *trunk blog update 19:20:27 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 19:20:43 -!- AreBrandon has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:21:44 <|amethyst> !commitby Grunt send CanOfWorms to the arctic penal blog 19:21:45 03Grunt * 0.18-a0-476-ga38ddfa: send CanOfWorms to the arctic penal blog 10(in the future, 46 files, 271+ 360-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=a38ddfa 19:22:08 !glaciate CanOfWorms 19:22:08 CanOfWorms gestures at CanOfWorms while chanting. CanOfWorms conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs CanOfWorms! 19:23:36 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:24:14 <|amethyst> CanOfWorms reaches into the can of worms...and worms crawl out! 19:24:39 <|amethyst> FR: haversack of hippogriffs 19:25:01 <|amethyst> bindle of bears 19:25:06 bundle? 19:25:16 <|amethyst> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindle 19:28:07 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:28:43 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:20 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-642-g77daf3c: Pakellas abandonment wrath blocks MP regeneration (CanOfWorms). 10(67 seconds ago, 3 files, 13+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77daf3c47a5e 19:31:06 oh I actually do remember my wordpress login 19:31:08 good 19:31:52 thanks grunt 19:31:53 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 19:35:36 -!- scummos__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:36:52 need to do this first: 19:36:56 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-643-g7603ac4: Changelog through 0.18-a0-642-g77daf3c. 10(17 seconds ago, 1 file, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7603ac405c0a 19:41:07 -!- tedric has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:41:24 -!- BudgetHero has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:42:50 should I worry about people who clear the default force_more_message? 19:42:59 not much I can do about that though 19:46:56 http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/trunk-updates-4-december-2015 19:47:20 Sweet 19:48:32 finally, the masses can rejoice 19:51:01 -!- Dixie has quit [Quit: lates] 19:52:03 grunt do you know for a fact that the 4* gift exists and is a 4* gift? 19:52:22 rchandra: yes 19:52:35 two consecutive games it's been gifted during 5*, and not +0 (thought it was always +0 (10) or something) 19:52:39 Grunt: indent is off after New monsters: 19:52:43 rip 19:52:48 what causes sprite weirdness? 19:53:04 I just did git pull origin master and rebuilt master on dbro and now all the sprites are wrong 19:53:12 it's obviously something I continually screw up 19:53:18 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:19 but I can never figure it out 19:53:19 The build has errored. (master - 2c992fa #4077 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/94920224 19:53:19 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 19:53:37 could be old tilesheets and new binary, or the other way around 19:53:40 Medar: fixed 19:53:52 might be browser caching the tilesheets 19:54:20 might be makefile being weird, sometimes after make clean I have to run make twice... 19:54:24 I just don't know why it keeps happening on dbro when it's basically set up like cbro (obviously the key word is 'basically') 19:54:40 rchandra: doh 19:55:08 is the 2* gift making pak think ey's gifted? 19:55:14 no actually 19:55:19 it's because I accidentally removed a line of logic 19:55:57 <}> |amethyst, I did the tri-state player_alive_enough thing, can you take a look? http://termbin.com/badi 19:56:01 ??top_removers 19:56:02 I don't have a page labeled top_removers in my learndb. 19:56:20 03Grunt02 07* 0.18-a0-644-g26805c2: Make sure P's 4* gift actually happens at 4* (rchandra). 10(25 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26805c26f27a 19:56:56 03Grunt02 07[orcs_and_elves] * 0.18-a0-663-g903a958: Merge branch 'master' into orcs_and_elves 10(26 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/903a958609d8 19:56:59 <|amethyst> }: some funny indentation there 19:57:03 <|amethyst> three space it looks like 19:57:05 03Grunt02 07[abyssrun] * 0.18-a0-653-g571168c: Merge branch 'master' into abyssrun 10(14 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/571168c08019 19:57:34 -!- WorkSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:58:09 still no angry comments 19:58:19 think this means we should remove more things 19:58:19 <|amethyst> }: I would suggest in the enum PA_THIRSTY = -1 19:58:37 <}> |amethyst, hmm the indentation is from git-format patch 19:58:41 <|amethyst> }: or perhaps more explicity, PA_THIRSTY = -1, PA_GOOD = 0, PA_FULL = 1 19:58:49 <}> ok 19:59:14 <|amethyst> hmm 19:59:24 <|amethyst> hmm 19:59:31 hm?? 19:59:31 <|amethyst> hm 19:59:36 <|amethyst> maybe this way is best, given the name of the function 19:59:43 <}> ??hm 19:59:43 |amethyst[2/22]: <|amethyst> hm 19:59:47 <|amethyst> if you changed it in that way, you'd want to invert the name of the function 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:09 <|amethyst> since PA_GOOD == 0 would mean "you can take this form" 20:00:27 <}> well you generally dont want to use enums like ints in case they change, but I see your point 20:00:35 <}> what name would be better? 20:00:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:01:11 <|amethyst> undeath_prevents_form ? 20:01:15 <|amethyst> not sure 20:01:34 <|amethyst> btw, the weird indent I was talking about is in the switch (transform_state) 20:01:42 <|amethyst> + switch (transform_state) 20:01:42 <|amethyst> + { 20:01:42 <|amethyst> + case PA_THIRSTY: 20:01:43 <|amethyst> + if (you.duration[DUR_TRANSFORMATION] > 2 * BASELINE_DELAY) 20:01:59 <}> what was that other one.... is_lifeless_undead? 20:02:03 <}> maybe lifeless_prevents_form 20:02:04 <|amethyst> yeah 20:02:15 <}> I dont know 20:02:15 <|amethyst> ah, that's a nice one 20:02:42 <}> hmm you dont indent the case? 20:02:50 <|amethyst> we don't, but 20:02:55 <|amethyst> you also have three-space indents there 20:03:01 <|amethyst> if is six spaces over from switch 20:03:16 <}> oh dmn you use 4 space 20:03:21 <|amethyst> yeah :) 20:04:20 * } reindents 20:06:23 <}> so now, hwere previously was player_alive_enough_for we would have !lifeless_prevents_form or lifeless_prevents_form(...) == PA_GOOD 20:07:27 <|amethyst> sounds right 20:09:36 Experimental (orcs_and_elves) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-663-g903a958 20:10:33 ??transient mutation 20:10:33 wretched star[1/1]: Abyss monster that gives off waves of three-to-four temporary bad mutations (which disappear in waves with xp and which can overlap or conflict with present mutations) and fires off mystic blasts. Blame a dev. 20:12:27 On terminals of width 80 columns healthbar and magicbar reaches window border 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10139 by baco 20:17:51 heh. did a make clean, then I deleted /crawl-master/crawl-git* and /usr/games/crawl-git*, then ran the build script again and I'm still getting sprite weirdness 20:17:56 &versions 20:18:15 CAO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CBRO: 0.18-a0-663-g903a958, CDO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CPO: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa, CSZO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CUE: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CWZ: 0.18-a0-43-g402c68f, CXC: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa, LLD: 0.18-a0-593-g3a9cb0d 20:18:28 ^version 20:18:28 trunk: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e; 0.17: 0.17.0-56-gd8de76c; 0.16: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3; 0.15: 0.15.2; 0.14: 0.14.2; 0.13: 0.13.2 20:18:43 -!- kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:18:44 %git 20:18:44 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-644-g26805c2: Make sure P's 4* gift actually happens at 4* (rchandra). 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/26805c26f27a 20:18:58 %git 903a958 20:18:58 07Grunt02 * 0.18-a0-663-g903a958: Merge branch 'master' into orcs_and_elves 10(22 minutes ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/903a958609d8 20:19:02 ah ok 20:21:16 -!- Mordru has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:21:34 ha 20:21:45 that should probably only update for trunk builds :) 20:22:04 Experimental (abyssrun) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-653-g571168c 20:22:19 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:23:08 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:23:30 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 20:24:49 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:00 doooh... silence prevents beserk? non-sense! 20:25:25 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:25:25 just prevents asking trog for zerk 20:25:34 !rage 20:25:37 quaff those potions! 20:25:41 prevented everything 20:25:41 PleasingFungus, just the fungus I wanted to see 20:25:53 hm 20:25:53 PleasingFungus: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 20:25:57 are there many other fungi running around? 20:25:58 really? that doesn't sound right 20:26:01 AngryPlant 20:26:02 <.< 20:26:07 not that I know of?? 20:26:12 grrrr 20:26:24 so PF, do you think it's maybe possible that a shapeshifter could become a doom hound 20:26:33 I was literally just thinking about that on the bike ride home 20:26:34 and then that doom hound could howl up many other doom hounds? 20:26:40 like 20:26:40 well it happened to me PF 20:26:43 ten minutes ago 20:26:51 huh! 20:26:52 !lg * cikiller=doom_hound 20:26:53 No games for * (cikiller=doom_hound). 20:26:57 !lg * cikiller~~doom_hound 20:26:59 No games for * (cikiller~~doom_hound). 20:27:03 Grunt I came very close a few times 20:27:04 I wasn't thinking about poly/shapeshifters when I chose the holiness & HD 20:27:14 rotz! 20:27:16 there were probably 20-30 doom hounds on my D:14 :( 20:27:19 probably either the hd should be higher (smaller size) or they should be demons. 20:27:21 archaeo: lmao 20:27:34 also, do the new spawns keep giving XP? 20:27:51 I thought about farming them, but I _thought_ I was on a streak; I didn't realized I'd gotten griefed until after I won 20:28:21 Napkin: amulet and potion seem to work fine when silenced 20:28:36 Medar: Napkin yea I just confirmed that oo 20:28:40 trogs abilities were gone 20:28:40 too 20:28:57 I'm debating pushing this: http://pastebin.ca/3273165 20:29:09 is that by design? 20:29:20 only problem is that lot of players have overwritten default force_more_message 20:29:32 but that's their problem, right? :o 20:29:44 aren't all invocations disabled when silenced? 20:29:53 not all, but most yes 20:30:00 -!- tabstorm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:14 Medar: do it 20:30:32 maybe I'll add (Grunt) to the commit message 20:30:53 Napkin: yes. imho it's fine in extended 20:31:19 it wasn't something that anyone complained about with spirit wolves, and it was true of them, too 20:31:24 but ofc there was so much else to complain about 20:31:27 so'n quatsch ;) 20:32:12 Medar: seems reasonable 20:32:30 don't think it was like that in my earlier games... "grrr" at not knowing 20:33:16 Medar: which invocations aren't disabled? 20:33:40 Ru's 20:33:41 i i r c 20:33:47 there may be a few more 20:33:54 I thought mpa reverted that 20:34:08 I remember there was argument over it, at the least 20:34:13 since the justification was mainly theme 20:34:13 hm 20:34:19 it does look like that is no longer the case 20:35:04 it looks like all active god abilities do not work when silenced 20:35:16 oh 20:35:57 I think I'm going to move doom hounds to hd 20 (and smaller HD), since I vaguely like the idea of them being natural monsters 20:36:07 if they're still problematic, I can demonify them 20:36:15 !doom PleasingFungus 20:36:43 archaeo: griefed as in someone broke your streak with another server? you can fix that 20:36:59 yep, that's what happened 20:37:00 my brother argued that fel[l] hound would be a better name 20:37:02 he might be right. 20:37:25 "Fell Hound" is a little more fancy 20:37:29 hell hounds, fell hounds, what's the difference 20:37:42 hm 20:37:44 but then you can't pair them with cacodemons 20:37:44 point 20:37:47 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-645-g2d01a89: Shift doom hound HD (not HP) up 10(36 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d01a8938117 20:37:54 Medar: ? 20:37:56 chequers: I thought we were waiting to fix stats until after unified logins 20:38:11 this reduces avg hp by about 1.6 20:38:14 three's a nick mapping trick i saw elliptic do to fix it 20:38:19 !nick elliptic 20:38:20 Mapping elliptic => (!meleebug) elliptic hyperbolic hyperelliptic circular 20:38:27 that doesn't fix your cao page 20:38:29 PleasingFungus: doom... the game... 20:38:30 won't fix it for the cao page 20:38:31 right 20:38:31 yeah 20:38:35 Medar: ! 20:38:56 yeah it's nbd 20:39:03 I know it's a 4streak in my heart, chequers 20:39:33 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-646-g5045941: Fix indentation. 10(6 minutes ago, 29 files, 617+ 610-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5045941764b1 20:39:37 <3 20:39:39 fun crawl dev trivia: while looking for a good quote for doom hounds, I ended up reading about half of hound of the baskervilles. 20:39:50 it's very readable! 20:41:48 that Arthur Conan Doyle knew what he was doing alright 20:42:36 huh 20:42:39 I totally forgot about hell_effects_by_branch 20:42:43 Do the summoned doom hounds give XP 20:42:50 tabstorm: yes 20:42:50 also is doom howl resistable 20:42:53 no 20:43:49 <|amethyst> ??spirit wolf 20:43:50 spirit wolf[1/1]: Stronger {wolf} with undead resistances. They can summon other spirit wolves to surround you from just past the LOS, so kill them quickly. They no longer appear. 20:43:55 So can't you just carry one upstairs from Dis, dig a tunnel, and farm them for a long time 20:44:14 is that meaningfully different from other forms of extended farming 20:44:42 boggart farming 20:45:07 A little because you can just camp inside a tunnel and not be subject to the other dangers in Hell 20:45:16 <|amethyst> yes, I do think being able to get infinite XP from a single killhole is problematic 20:45:36 <|amethyst> if they don't leave their Hell it's less of a concern 20:45:40 <|amethyst> because of hell effects 20:45:55 So what about getting hexed and just leaving, should it cancel the effect then 20:46:10 <|amethyst> hm 20:46:40 If so why shuld there be a hex that works in 1 branch, also since they can apparently spawn as OODs or as shapeshifters what about farming them elsewhere 20:46:48 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:47:04 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-647-g49e04c2: Don't force more when trying to annotate non-persistent level. 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49e04c2726f0 20:47:04 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-648-g3df51ee: Replace many more() calls with default force_more_message options. 10(2 hours ago, 13 files, 71+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3df51eec349b 20:47:04 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-649-g138ec8f: Make unided scroll of amnesia show message before the menu. 10(44 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/138ec8f115ee 20:47:04 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-650-gfd446e5: Remove pointless wildcard match. 10(65 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fd446e5c690c 20:47:08 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:47:08 ok, I'll make them not give xp. 20:47:20 Ok, didn't everyone object to spirit wolves though 20:47:33 This basically makes it a buffed spirit wolf 20:47:47 spirit wolf howl lasted for 80-120 turns. 20:48:04 Does getting hit again by doom howl extend the duration 20:48:22 they won't howl while you already have howl on, or for several turns after it expires. 20:48:36 also, spirit wolf summons gave XP 20:48:41 so this change makes them less similar 20:49:06 Are you sure? I thought they were regular summons, I remember them having the purple "summoned" icon 20:49:15 -!- Zekka has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:49:15 was it a special case or something 20:49:49 %git 20a8841cf3646f604d16340aa879a271bd81c914 20:49:49 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-2563-g20a8841: Change how Spirit Wolves work somewhat 10(2 years, 4 months ago, 5 files, 56+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/20a8841cf364 20:49:59 looks like this changed midway through their lifespan 20:50:18 so can summoned fell wolves mark you? 20:50:21 yes 20:50:25 also good name 20:50:31 do you do anything but run then 20:50:49 well 20:50:51 Oh.. I think I had decided not to enter forest for awhile and I missed the change 20:50:56 running wouldn't help, really 20:50:57 <|amethyst> presumably they'd be durable summons? 20:51:12 durable summons summoning durable summons 20:51:19 <|amethyst> yeah, maybe not 20:51:22 Well this could lead to flooding floors with monsters 20:51:27 So like a starcursed mass but worse 20:51:28 <|amethyst> !send chequers white worm masses 20:51:29 Sending white worm masses to chequers. 20:52:19 <|amethyst> well, it's better than doing the same thing, but with XP 20:52:26 sounds fine to me 20:52:43 <|amethyst> does tiles mark durable summons? 20:52:47 Yes 20:52:57 <|amethyst> ah, good 20:53:14 does console? 20:53:22 <|amethyst> in ctrl-x anyway 20:53:26 Wait, how often does it spawn new guys 20:53:29 every turn? 20:53:34 tabstorm 20:53:36 please look at the commit 20:53:49 %git 78a784fba588f733232a3028b3c707123f2f4636 20:53:49 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.18-a0-620-g78a784f: Add Doom Hounds 10(9 days ago, 18 files, 168+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78a784fba588 20:54:16 -!- Zooty has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:54:53 "Causes more hounds to spawn nearby for the next 12-18 turns". I read that part, should it be interpreted as "4 hounds spawn over a 12-18 turn period" 20:55:01 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:55:25 "causes more hounds (avg ~4) to spawn nearby for the next 12-18 turns" 20:55:34 so yeah 20:55:41 <|amethyst> yes, also there's a cooldown 20:55:53 <|amethyst> 3-7 turns it looks like? 20:55:59 <|amethyst> I can never remember the scale for DUR_ 20:56:04 yeah, though the way that the timing works might make it effectively 2-6 turns 20:56:08 <|amethyst> ah 20:56:13 not totally sure 20:56:18 <|amethyst> tabstorm: and that's total, not per hound 20:56:28 <|amethyst> well 20:56:33 <|amethyst> I guess that's per target 20:56:45 summoner nerf? 20:56:52 <|amethyst> but they can't affect monsters at the moment 20:57:02 chequers: ??? 20:57:03 Do the summoned ones get abjured when the summoner dies? Or do they not count as "summmoned" by the uesr 20:57:11 they're not summons. 20:57:12 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: if there were an ENCH_DOOM_HOUND too 20:57:20 so the latter 20:57:21 Oh 20:57:24 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: then it would be a summoner nerf 20:57:26 ahh 20:57:35 hadn't even considered that tbh 20:58:11 PleasingFungus: joke that beoghites will get infinite doom hounds from their allies behind howled 20:58:24 Orcs In Hell 20:58:49 heh I found out the hard way they aren't summons 20:58:54 that can be abjured, anyway 20:59:12 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.18-a0-651-g29bce60: Don't give XP for howl-called doom hounds 10(42 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/29bce603c2bf 20:59:17 !lg archaeo x=tiles 20:59:17 101. [tiles=true] archaeo the Phalangite (L26 DgIE), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-12-05 01:11:12, with 1490869 points after 100390 turns and 8:39:27. 20:59:25 ...? 20:59:40 I just _almost_ died, PF 20:59:55 no I mean 20:59:58 <|amethyst> archaeo: no, PF means how did you miss that they weren't summons 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:04 in tiles 21:00:06 ya 21:00:07 <|amethyst> since there's a little icon for it 21:00:25 oh, I knew that intellectually 21:00:25 wait, I thought until just now they were actual real monsters 21:00:26 <|amethyst> the power of expectation 21:00:36 but I was hopeful that aura of abjuration would work 21:00:43 since I was kind of SOL w/r/t killing them 21:00:47 <|amethyst> chequers: they were until just now, now they're durable summons 21:00:56 <|amethyst> still not abjurable 21:01:01 So I'm looking into switching from the current regen/dismissal amulet unequip effects to temporary muts on equip. It looks like that means for undead, they just rot. I'd much prefer that they give the temporary muts to undead as well, but that definitely is different from normal. 21:01:13 Does anyone have a strong feeling that I should not be giving temporary muts to undead? 21:01:19 I don't really know what's going on with the theme now. Maybe they're, like, spooky imaginary hounds or something 21:01:26 Lasty: yes. 21:01:27 why are undead immune from mutations 21:01:35 <|amethyst> Lasty: yes, there are probably time-bomb assumptions all over the place 21:01:43 <|amethyst> unless you restrict it to a very few things 21:01:51 PleasingFungus: that fits with the !sil nature 21:01:52 oh, I wasn't even thinking about code quality 21:01:59 Why would you change it 21:02:10 <|amethyst> e.g. I could see giving undead temporary negative resistance mutations 21:02:39 <|amethyst> but even then I think you'd want to not flavour it as mutation, so... 21:04:21 |amethyst: ah, fair point 21:04:44 you could apply some kind of dur_ 21:04:46 instead of a mut 21:04:50 not exactly sure what you're looking to do 21:04:52 PleasingFungus: ah, good point! 21:04:57 :) 21:05:14 -!- Denapoli has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:05:23 well isn't it temporary teleportitis for dismissal, and temporary frailty with regen? 21:05:33 PleasingFungus: I'm currently convinced that 1) the two amulets in question need swapping penalties and 2) the penalties should wear off without using consumables. 21:05:45 the two penalties I have now fail 2) 21:05:50 <|amethyst> drain 21:05:59 Drain and stat drain are both reasonable 21:06:06 but not particularly thematic 21:06:31 maybe every amulet could cause drain on unequip. And it's just an Amulet Thing 21:06:39 If it were a Dur, it'd have to be one that decrements with XP instead of AUT, since we don't want people to have to rest after swapping amulets. 21:07:00 You will need to xp-gate any of these penalties if you want them to do much 21:07:03 chequers: but that gets weird with the amulets that already have penalties 21:07:03 Lasty: I was specifically wondering what new penalties you were thinking of 21:07:07 sickness for regen, -tele for dismissal, xp-gated status lights? 21:07:07 just random bad tempmuts? 21:07:18 frail 1-3 for regen, surely 21:07:27 PleasingFungus: what archaeo said above: temp frailty for regen, temp teleportitis for dismissal 21:07:41 Trying to keep on-theme 21:07:44 Are all amulets going to have swap penalties or just the ones that are "good" 21:07:58 I think the idea is that all amulets will be "good" 21:07:58 the amulet of nothing makes you quit the game when you take it of... 21:08:00 *off 21:08:01 tabstorm: just the ones that lead to irritating or broken gameplay w/o a penalty 21:08:27 Regen leads to the opposite of irritating gameplay 21:08:30 I thought there was an assumption that we no longer want players swapping amulets 21:08:32 and regen definitely qualifies, since the current incentive is to swap it in after each fight 21:09:30 PleasingFungus: I don't want to shut down all swapping, but I want to remove the old behavior of "oh, a monster with Confuse is in LOS, I'll swap in Clarity. It's dead, swap back. A neqoxec spawned, so I'll swap in rMut. Oh it's dead, swap back. I got hurt, swap in regen. I'm fine, swap back." 21:09:40 <}> I havent played 0.18 yet, what happened to regen? 21:09:43 I want swapping to primarily be strategic. 21:09:52 Just remove clarity rcorr gourmand stasis 21:09:59 ??changelog 21:10:00 changelog[1/3]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt - often incomplete and/or out of date, see {changelog[3]} for an exhaustive list of changes. 21:10:05 but I'm fine with easy swapping on amulets that don't lead to constant swapping. 21:10:10 tabstorm: why gourmand? 21:10:18 <}> ok it causes rot now 21:10:20 Lasty: which are those? 21:10:24 do people actually swap in regen after every fight btw? 21:10:25 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: because the ramp-up time isn't long enough 21:10:27 non speedrunners 21:10:27 part of the general movement to remove food obviously 21:10:31 <}> but why not do the same approach as gourmand? swapping amulet takes 400 turns for it to activate 21:10:32 tabstorm: I have my sights on all of those. 21:10:37 cheqers: Speedrunners dont take regen off :) 21:10:40 chequers: few do, but only because it's irritating 21:10:45 <}> i.e. swapping regen takes 400 turns for it to regen 21:10:49 it's strictly better than not doing it in most cases 21:10:53 Hypothetical Ideal Gamer 21:11:02 or whatever the buzzword is 21:11:04 also: No one does because it gives epsilon of win probability and its not worth pushing an extra button for 21:11:11 <|amethyst> }: the worry there is "press 5" I think 21:11:12 }: then you just rest for 400 turns somewhere... 21:11:12 PleasingFungus: lemme direct you to a post I made on the subject 21:11:18 Im not even sure about the epsilon part 21:11:27 <}> Medar, then whats the point of regen 21:11:30 <}> if you rested 400 turns 21:11:36 To make you like your life more because you hit 5 less 21:11:38 <}> you already dont need regen... 21:11:39 <|amethyst> yeah, with regen that would work 21:11:41 to gain more health back before something bad happens? 21:11:43 gourmand is great with pak, I took faith off for it when I finally finally hit 6* 21:11:48 the idea would be that you'd keep it on for later damage, presumably. 21:12:03 rchandra: the hunger game... is real!??!? 21:12:08 PleasingFungus: https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?p=251216#p251216 21:12:20 oh right, yes that would with regen of course 21:12:23 secret new amulet!!!!!! 21:12:25 PF: unless I'm mistaken, rod hunger can't be ameliorated 21:12:26 But a hypothetical optimal gamer has already kited a monster to a safezone where the chances of something dangerous coming along are basically zero 21:12:37 _The orb spider weaves a glowing orb of energy! 21:12:38 _An orb of destruction comes into view! 21:12:39 Lasty: you list three categories of Problem Amulets 21:12:44 I completely agree with categories 1 and 2 21:12:45 this seems undesirable 21:13:02 Grunt: Just let the ood have a nice entrance, ok?! 21:13:02 gammafunk: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:13:14 !tell gammafunk You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:13:14 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 21:13:18 tabstorm: can you see how it makes the game less fun when you know there's something optimal you should be doing, but it's awful? 21:13:35 archaeo: isn't his argument "it's not actually meaningfully optimal" 21:13:42 <|amethyst> 3 isn't a problem in all cases, or we'd be talking about removing resistance rings 21:13:48 PF: Yes 21:14:15 Theres optimal, meaningful and unfun play and then theres stuff like "Oh but you should swap out to regen for piety decay in hypothetical optimal play" 21:14:33 |amethyst: the main reason I'm not talking about that is that it would be a much bigger change to how crawl works. The game is pretty heavily balanced around being able to swap rings for resistances. 21:14:39 I mean, but you're admitting there that it's meaningfully optimal 21:14:45 I do think that in an ideal world, the player would rarely swap rings in combat. 21:14:46 most of these obnoxious swapping things are 21:15:07 though I do take your point 21:15:07 <}> I mostly swap for clarity amulet and invis ring 21:15:09 Well if you think like .00001% win probability over not doing it is meaningful 21:15:23 and yes I just made up that number at random 21:15:27 it seems plausible 21:15:29 But its basically zero 21:15:44 <|amethyst> Lasty: well, to some extent Mummy is balanced around being able to swap in clarity :) 21:15:53 mummy is balanced...? 21:16:15 |amethyst: not true! Mummies would be perfectly viable if they were forced to always wear clarity instead of swapping to it. :D 21:16:16 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 21:16:26 yes? balanced is not a synonym for "easy" 21:16:26 gammafunk: You have 3 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:16:26 <|amethyst> IMO make clarity regen into rings 21:16:27 Anyway regen has little to no effect on your chance to win in "optimal" play and it makes normal humans' lives a lot better so I don't think it's that bad of an item 21:16:33 <|amethyst> regen used to be a ring anyway 21:16:41 tabstorm: the worse a player you are, the bigger difference it would make; bad noise management increases the value of regen swapping, and bad play increases the value of the piety points you save. 21:17:00 gammafunk: I'm actually very curious to hear your argument here 21:17:06 what does balanced mean to you, in context? 21:17:24 <}> regen amulet probably makes most use in pan/hell where you cant rest safely, so you're only balancing for lategame the way I interpret it 21:17:34 How much HP per turn does regen give over normal healing? 21:17:40 it means that they have a reasonable difficulty level 21:17:42 I forgot 21:17:51 !source REGEN_PIP 21:17:52 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/player.h#l43 21:17:58 regen adds 40 to the regen rate 21:17:59 tabstorm: 0.4 hp / 10 AUT 21:18:22 <|amethyst> in the sentence in which I used it, I mean, "their current level of difficulty, which has at least some intention behind it, depends on being able to reliably prevent confusion" 21:18:27 <|amethyst> s/mean/meant/ 21:18:59 They can still reliably prevent confusion; they just can't do anything else at the same time 21:18:59 So since enemies will not come from far outside of LoS, we are talking like... maybe 7 hp here 21:19:00 |amethyst: " in and after late-game"? 21:19:11 I suppose I could just put a ramp-up period on these two amulets, and for regen have that ramp-up take a while to get above 0 21:19:39 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: in places where confusion is likely to happen 21:19:41 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: ☆～＼(　*¯∇¯)ノ ▁▂▃▅▆▇█▓▒░～☆] 21:19:47 <}> Lasty, same as gourmand? I think thats much better than rot 21:19:55 }: yeah, that sort of thing 21:19:57 Lasty, maybe it was PF who brought it up in tileschat? But I liked the idea where "Regen doesn't work until you're at full HP 21:19:57 !tell elliptic your stair change is a huge QOL improvement :) 21:19:57 Grunt: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 21:20:07 Lasty: I don't think it's bad if the strategic penalty of weaker amulets is less strong that it is for stronger amulets, yeah 21:20:09 archaeo: oh, that's a neat idea. I hadn't heard that 21:20:27 for gourmand the proposed change in mantis (make hungry on remove) seems much better than current ramp-up 21:20:28 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: I haven't gotten a mummy to Spider, so I don't know how they get along with tarantellas for example 21:20:32 it's not as punishing, but it does fix the degenerate play thing people dislike 21:20:41 Medar: agreed 21:20:53 but I guess for regen it's better to have ramp up than damage on remove 21:21:03 archaeo: wasn't me, but I've seen it suggested 21:21:06 archaeo: yeah, I don't think it needs to be punishing. I really only care about the degenerate/boring play 21:21:08 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:21:13 oh ok 21:21:29 oh, I'm confusing you with Haifisch :\ 21:21:33 I think I'll work on something along those lines 21:21:46 haif's aight so I'm fine with that 21:21:55 So will clarity be a ring then 21:21:59 or just gone 21:22:04 or a helm maybe? 21:22:14 it'll be an earring, that goes in the new earring slot 21:22:20 wow 21:22:22 HUGE mummy nerf 21:22:26 Grunt: What do you think of the not-wield-rods thing, btw 21:22:43 tabstorm: I have a tentative plan for merging clarity and statis into a single amulet that converts statuses into contam instead of just making them harmless. I'm not sure that'll be the final design that goes into 0.18. 21:23:09 oh.. I mean I like anything that reduces the number of amulets 21:23:23 reducing the number of amulets isn't a design goal 21:23:24 because 21:23:31 we're not desigin to optimize your speedruns 21:23:43 in case that was unclear 21:23:54 Canonically, we're designing to punish melee characters. It's been stated so it's true. 21:23:54 <|amethyst> Lasty: hm, with dismissal 21:23:56 gammafunk: I would need to go back and see what was bro ught up the last time we discussed this 21:24:02 ??melee 21:24:02 melee[1/1]: "[N]ow completely useless." -- Grunt 21:24:06 <|amethyst> Lasty: I think you could make it a normal time-gated DUR 21:24:06 heh 21:24:12 I thought we were pushing caster nerfs??? 21:24:12 |amethyst: yeah, that's true 21:24:20 <|amethyst> Lasty: particularly if you make it a worse version of teleportitis 21:24:21 Lasty: with that merged clarity/statis amulet idea, perhaps it also has a slight chance to convert malmutate into contam as well? 21:24:27 or has that ship already sailed? 21:24:33 you and PF are both wrong, CanOfWorms: 0.18 is the year of ranged nerfs. 21:24:38 <|amethyst> Lasty: e.g., pick a monster (maybe weighted by difficulty) and teleport to it 21:24:44 get ready to get up close and personal in 2015 21:24:45 2016* 21:24:51 Grunt: It's kind of that the interface feels clunky when you have to wield each different rod, most especially if it's a single use 21:24:53 so more caster nerfs then 21:24:54 johnstein: maybe an option, but might make it more confusing. also, maybe malmutate might change somehow? 21:25:12 I don't think I have a more compelling argument than that, though 21:25:18 Lasty: ok. glad to hear there's more malmutation changes coming. looking forward to seeing them 21:25:19 <|amethyst> Lasty: rather than the current "pick a spot and cancel if there's no monster in sight", which would just make you go up to a cleared level and rest there 21:25:21 |amethyst: oh, interesting idea 21:25:36 johnstein: nothing in specific, but there's been conversation around it 21:25:38 <|amethyst> Lasty: so if you wait on a cleared level, you'll probably teleport to the first spawn 21:25:48 that would be amusing given 0.18 seems to ahve opened with ranged-attack-god :p 21:26:05 um channel 21:27:00 CanOfWorms: we'll never push a commit that isn't a caster nerf 21:27:01 I actually like the idea of the status -> contam amulet 21:27:12 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-652-g4fab66b: Remove amulet of warding reference from autopickup exceptions. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4fab66bdaa75 21:27:15 So that MR is less important 21:27:15 <|amethyst> Lasty: and I'd be okay making dismissal effectively swappable for Formicid :) 21:27:15 !commit Remove MP 21:27:15 03CanOfWorms * 0.18-a0-477-gacca4f8: Remove MP 10(in the future, 27 files, 526+ 692-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=acca4f8 21:27:32 |amethyst: yeah, that's not so bad 21:27:36 <|amethyst> Medar: err 21:27:41 <|amethyst> Medar: should add dismissal 21:27:55 riiight 21:27:55 I'm not sure re: gourmand. I mean I play some chars that definitely use it, and there are others still that can use it 21:27:59 man, 0.18 is the formicid buff version 21:28:00 working on my commit count 21:28:04 give Fo ALL THE BUFFS 21:28:08 Not sure how MPA and elliptic feel about it 21:28:21 @??flying skull 21:28:21 flying skull (00z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 7 | HP: 14-26 | AC/EV: 10/17 | Dam: 14 | 07undead, evil, fly, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(20), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 228 | Sz: tiny | Int: animal. 21:28:28 As long as we at least have |energy I could see a world were it's gone 21:28:50 If theres no chunks theres no need for gourmand :) 21:29:03 it there's not tabstorm there's no need for this discussion 21:29:04 <|amethyst> !learn add dev_incentives <+|amethyst> I'ma blackmail 20 commits out of each dev each month, or your employer starts getting mysterious letters 21:29:05 dev incentives[1/1]: <+|amethyst> I'ma blackmail 20 commits out of each dev each month, or your employer starts getting mysterious letters 21:29:20 dang, time to become unemployed 21:29:37 <|amethyst> that works too, more time for crawl then 21:29:57 tabstorm don't worry 21:30:00 20 isn't a bad goal, really 21:30:06 gozag/trump 2016 will remove food 21:30:14 <|amethyst> gammafunk: "each dev" is the hard one 21:30:25 03Medar02 07* 0.18-a0-653-g92385f6: Add dismissal to autopickup exceptions. (|amethyst) 10(48 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/92385f62b3ae 21:30:29 haha 21:30:29 That's what I meant! 21:30:33 although I've been slacking recently 21:31:25 !dismiss Medar 21:32:16 !disjunction PleasingFungus 21:32:19 shame 21:32:26 so long as the food game exists, it seems reasonable to have things that mess with it, like gourmand, trolls, and mummies. 21:32:39 yeah, I def. agree that it's reasonable 21:32:39 <}> vampires... 21:32:49 death cobs <.< >.> 21:32:51 it's just sort of a question of "how necessary is this amulet" 21:33:00 like, warding is reasonable by that definition 21:33:05 Or, put another way, how much does the food game exist 21:33:30 how necessary... 21:33:33 how necessary...... 21:33:38 Lasty: but on that note, I'm not sure the rest of the team really agrees with the "remove non-clock-related food costs" 21:33:57 fair nuff 21:34:02 I would ask, instead: how much of a cost does the existence of "gourmand impose on the game? 21:34:12 honestly, I don't really know what the position of the team is on that front 21:34:18 same 21:34:27 PleasingFungus: well, wouldn't you defend warding that way as well? 21:34:30 The only things in crawl that are necessary are the exit stairs and the orb. 21:34:46 I'm curious if you wanted that amulet to stay or not 21:34:52 PleasingFungus: the only cost it imposes is that it isn't something better than it is :D 21:34:55 gammafunk: iirc, MPA has concerns w/r/t invis, I imagine there would be worried about rods now Pakellas is in, etc. 21:34:58 and we even disabled the exit stairs earlier :P 21:35:00 worries* 21:35:13 I don't think that's a particularly great summary of MPA, archaeo 21:35:21 or his opinion wrt food exactly 21:35:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:35:58 Anyhow, it's best if he and others state what they think for themselves. Somethign like that needs to be surveyed before any major changes there happen, is all 21:36:35 yeah, absolutely 21:36:39 gammafunk: I think it and stasis have never really worked in terms of being tactically interesting - I think very few players swap in stasis against enemies with slow or w/e, or warding against summoners. I have used warding for the rn, but amulet of rn isn't that exciting. 21:36:58 <}> I think stasis is usually swapped vs rupert and sphinxes 21:37:08 <}> At least thats how I do it... 21:37:29 fair enough, gammafunk 21:37:29 PleasingFungus: Yeah, sounds like you think "gourmand is more interesting for the chars where it's relevent, which I can agree with. But I can also see for just how few chars it's relevant 21:37:32 Against orc sorcerers when you hav eno MR 21:37:38 I've used it on a few. 21:38:26 <}> gourmand has been interesting twice for me, with zin when you can't eat many corpses, and with a vampiric weapon to swap rods 21:38:34 I've used it with various summoners...for...optimal play... 21:39:00 I remember occasions on which it was very nice for primary casters, especially 'blasters' - let me really go wild with high-level spells without starving. 21:39:18 *without starving halfway through a fight 21:39:21 Yeah, you can use it and have an enhancer stave instead of |energy 21:39:26 or |wizardry 21:39:41 Or possibly you never found |energy 21:39:43 yeah 21:39:51 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 21:39:56 I think it was a mix of those across different games 21:40:06 When it's relevant, it's fun, it's just relevant terribly often I guess 21:40:10 er just not relevant 21:41:02 I feel like it's a different category from stasis or warding. it's not cluttering up your tactical options, for example. ("Oh, I should carry around stasis and remember to swap to it at... some point...") 21:41:44 I pretty much only use stasis to cross teletraps or duel roxanne - go back and get it if such exists 21:41:46 Yeah it's not an inventory-slot-taker 21:41:47 <|amethyst> I like gourmand too, the only problem IMO is the delay doesn't really matter much 21:41:49 I'm talking myself into agreeing with the removal of warding, I guess. I was initially ambivalent. 21:42:07 oh yeah, stasis and teletrap interaction is neat. extremely rare though. 21:42:14 classic rl interaction. 21:42:41 clearly amulet of stasis should create a stasis field around you. really mess with those lichen! 21:42:51 or those boggarts or whatever. 21:42:59 imps 21:43:03 sure. 21:43:22 ooh, good bug name coming up 21:44:16 wow, |amethyst beat me to fixing it. 21:44:20 <|amethyst> heh 21:44:21 I was waiting until it was announced. 21:44:34 :( 21:44:44 english is very hard. 21:44:45 you can fix the text 21:44:59 hey it's 4:44:44 21:45:17 04:44:44 Medar | you can fix the text 21:45:21 proof! 21:45:46 Gell's Gravitas can move monsters to uninhabitable squares (lava, deep water) 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10140 by Medar 21:45:48 anyway, now you can use my secret tactics 21:46:01 secret tech...!? 21:46:03 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 21:46:14 move everyone into lava, win 21:46:31 http://puu.sh/lJLx8/be06804d1a.png 21:46:38 been meaning to do this one for a while 21:46:40 flying skull 21:47:00 was the new sun demon tile yours, CanOfWorms? 21:47:03 because it's awesome 21:47:05 yeah 21:47:18 ??pakellas wrath 21:47:18 I don't have a page labeled pakellas_wrath in my learndb. 21:47:31 I should add that 21:48:34 supercharge inacc and then take TSO, sounds doomed to failure (makes so many other rods bad) 21:48:46 CanOfWorms: spooky!!!!!! 21:50:19 Grunt: reddit comment re Pak: "So do they just hate Nemelex or what? First they get rid of his item sacrifice ability, and now they try to replace him as the de facto artificer/evocation god?" 21:50:31 haha 21:50:32 Grunt's stealth nemelex replacement agenda... 21:50:52 . . . 21:50:52 if it helps, I do hate Nemelex 21:50:55 You can never quite predict the full range of player reactions, I feel 21:51:03 They always find a way to surprise 21:51:23 I like how that gell's bug report sounds like "bug: gell's gravitas does something useful" until the very last 6 words of the description 21:51:38 <|amethyst> heh 21:51:51 <|amethyst> I imagine it can strand them 21:51:58 correct 21:52:00 !tell ontoclasm http://i.imgur.com/s7QjJbL.png new flying skull tile??? 21:52:00 CanOfWorms: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 21:52:15 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:52:43 who wants to figure out how to show the (new) skill icons in webtiles? 21:53:08 |amethyst, the return of stranding cerebov in lava??? 21:53:36 Medar: me...? 21:54:10 ok! 21:55:04 -!- eb has quit [] 21:55:10 hm 21:55:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 21:55:20 speak of Mr Devil 21:55:50 hm 21:55:51 PleasingFungus: it's true, Hitler was an artist 21:55:58 CanOfWorms the blue stuff coming out of the flying skull should form the shape of tiny little wings 21:56:45 we would need to make the relevant menu larger, I suppose. 21:57:09 huh 21:57:09 ontoclasm: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 21:57:13 -!- donblas has joined ##crawl-dev 21:57:14 !messages 21:57:14 (1/1) CanOfWorms said (5m 14s ago): http://i.imgur.com/s7QjJbL.png new flying skull tile??? 21:57:23 evening everyone. 21:57:25 PleasingFungus: I'm mostly worried about the technical aspects 21:57:41 yeah I have no idea how to do it really 21:57:53 CanOfWorms: hmm, that looks cool but i feel like it might be -too- cool for flying skulls 21:58:00 the crawl tiles artist scrub is slowly making progress. I'm down to a list of commits that touch actual tiles (not renames) to get a unique artist list 21:58:01 lol 21:58:14 hah 21:58:17 donblas: cool! 21:58:27 like maybe just pull back a bit on the fire 21:58:56 PleasingFungus: speaking of that. You are on the list! 21:59:11 I forget what for, honestly 21:59:12 I know which tile that is, too 21:59:15 oh, he's on many lists 21:59:16 the spooky ghost 21:59:17 is it just the ghost? 21:59:17 jockstrap made of brambles 21:59:25 would you consider giving approval to you art work for tiles going to CC:0 (public domain) 21:59:27 minmay: that was TRAGICALLY removed 21:59:29 donblas: sure 21:59:29 spoopy ghostz 21:59:44 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 21:59:49 http://i.imgur.com/wZLDkrX.png 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:29 woot. Thanks! 22:00:30 CanOfWorms: I remember that episode of Scooby Doo! 22:00:51 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: and future tiles as well? 22:01:16 sure 22:01:32 is this cc by attr? 22:01:39 cc: zero 22:01:45 ah well 22:01:50 I'll live 22:01:50 which is public domain (what rl tiles start on) 22:02:00 -!- PleasingFungus has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 42.0/20151029151421]] 22:02:08 technically since we have a new license line, unless he explicitly noted new commits it is shoehorned in 22:02:14 but yeah, i should add that when i ask, apologies 22:02:42 <|amethyst> I would rather not be technical when determining whether someone actually intended to agree to something 22:02:58 i completely agree 22:03:10 it was a mistake :) 22:03:33 what was that command to get coffee again 22:03:37 i need some seriously 22:03:42 <|amethyst> !booze donblas 22:03:47 <|amethyst> !drink donblas 22:03:47 ontoclasm: http://i.imgur.com/4Ajwm3W.png more menacing version 22:03:52 <|amethyst> !coffee donblas 22:03:57 * Sequell hands donblas a cup of Irish coffee, brewed by the royal jelly. 22:04:05 CanOfWorms: You are on my list as well! 22:04:05 <|amethyst> !cheers donblas 22:04:06 * Sequell slides a flagon of absinthe across the bar to donblas, courtesy of |amethyst. 22:04:08 <|amethyst> that was the one 22:04:11 :) 22:04:16 i feel like I know these people from the commit logs 22:04:21 absinthe? 22:04:28 <|amethyst> !cmd !booze !cheers $* 22:04:29 Defined command: !booze => !cheers $* 22:04:30 living life on the edge there Sequell 22:04:31 CanOfWorms: mm, very good 22:04:46 hmm 22:04:48 CanOfWorms: Would you consider releasing your artwork done for Crawl to CC:0 (Public domain), and any future work? 22:04:52 I need to give them a visit to the dentist 22:05:01 yes, I assumed they already were under cc0 :v 22:05:10 i wish 22:05:15 that's what i'm working on fixing 22:05:16 all my work for dcss is cc0 22:05:17 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:19 woot 22:05:20 thank you 22:05:44 once i get a unique list of commits i'll spam more on irc or e-mail 22:05:56 i just happen to see you guys 22:06:09 <}> |amethyst, Well I recompiled and tested in wiz mode, everything seems to work... patch1 http://termbin.com/g972 patch2 http://termbin.com/fz37 22:06:59 http://i.imgur.com/Y2BkWb4.png better teeth 22:08:28 CanOfWorms: do you know if you did the giant tiles in de3053d4cfdd0461ca27f8bc65416b273f98ea95? 22:08:31 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 22:08:42 octoclasm thought you did but noted unsureness in commit 22:08:48 I did the base work for the new giant tiles and ontoclasm did some touchups 22:08:49 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:05 ok, i'll mark it as just him to sign off then 22:09:06 thanks 22:09:14 i already released all my tiles under cc0 right? 22:09:17 it's fine by me 22:09:58 minmay: you were under the last release (2010), which i'm asserting applies (for sanity sake) 22:10:11 but i'm happy to move you to the "also in 2015 column" 22:10:11 it definitely applies 22:10:54 ontoclasm: you aren't on my list, "Would you consider releasing your artwork done for Crawl to CC:0 (Public domain), and any future work?" 22:11:15 i promise to stop spamming dev chat soon 22:11:15 i actually am on your list 22:11:19 all the way at the bottom 22:11:22 what's your other name? 22:11:23 (the answer was yes) 22:11:26 nevermind 22:11:28 i'm silly 22:11:35 !coffee donblas 22:11:42 silly... 22:11:42 * Sequell hands donblas a mug of latte macchiato, brewed by Natasha. 22:11:53 hmm gammafunk 22:11:58 have you ever played ff5? 22:12:03 sorry that's actually 22:12:11 I've watched puwexil play it 22:12:21 gammafunk: you are also on my list - Would you consider releasing your artwork done for Crawl to CC:0 (Public domain), and any future work? 22:12:26 wait 22:12:29 gammafunk did tile work? :o 22:12:34 donblas: I've never made a tile 22:12:39 to my knowledge 22:12:41 he did something that touched at ile 22:12:46 ah 22:12:46 in a way that was ambigious 22:12:51 yes the landing tile 22:12:53 might have committed a tile 22:12:55 I did make that technically 22:13:00 sure, it can be CC:0 22:13:05 thanks you 22:13:17 i'd rather get too much approval than overlook one 22:13:29 CanOfWorms: the landing tile is a standard of art that you should aspire to 22:13:37 :O 22:13:42 !source landing.png 22:13:42 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/misc/landing.png 22:13:49 it's a masterpiece... 22:13:50 dang 22:14:12 what is it used for anyway 22:14:15 <}> I set it as my desktop background 22:15:56 http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=714192de90a4cf88a64e85d1c12988c95b477f0f 22:15:59 realistic cat physics... 22:16:02 it was used to mark tiles you might land on when using Jump 22:16:09 ah 22:16:21 well, it's still used for that right 22:16:21 ^Ru 22:16:24 ontoclasm: it's still used for shadow step 22:16:26 btw, you guys have the best commit messagse 22:16:34 i've busted up laughing multiples times doing this 22:16:39 not for ru, that uses a simple smite targetter 22:17:03 oh 22:17:27 so it's for blinks where the destination has variance 22:18:02 yeah, for randomized landing spots 22:18:11 but there's only one instance of that in the game at present 22:18:31 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:19:16 maybe pog should use it 22:19:46 I guess you mean to show where the portal might place? 22:20:05 yeah 22:20:25 The reason you need to see this in shadow step is because of clouds and traps 22:20:43 well and just because you have no other way of knowing precisely where you might land 22:21:15 I guess you could try to extend that to the passages, but I think it's a pretty big area where they might land 22:23:55 -!- ydeve has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:24:33 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:26:35 anyone know contact info for Curio? and know if Curios == co 22:26:56 -!- nikheizen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:27:15 I suppose he never made a commit? 22:27:21 he/she 22:27:24 negative 22:27:33 else i'd just use that in my contact spam 22:27:43 i'm only asking about people who don't have one fwict 22:28:27 maybe there's a mantis issue, let me see 22:28:36 !bug 4621 22:28:36 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=4621 22:29:00 well, he must have an email in mantis 22:29:24 awesome, once i get that i can mail him once I get a full list 22:29:57 |amethyst: any way we could get the email address of Curio from mantis so donblas could contact about the art license? 22:30:00 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:06 or is that a question for the 'kin 22:31:26 donblas: oh, actually, what I think you can do is contact the address on file via mantis 22:31:47 donblas: on that url I gave, you can Send a reminder 22:31:48 i don't see how (i'm only reporter level on man) 22:31:57 ah, maybe I can do it 22:31:59 i don't have that button 22:32:17 ok, one sec, let me see what I can do here 22:33:56 well, I can leave a note through this, which will trigger an email to Curio 22:34:05 that'd be useful if nothing else 22:34:24 please ask him to contact chris dot hamons at gmail dot regarding the licensing of his artwork 22:34:29 ok 22:34:37 and could i ask you to do it for two more people w/o e-mails? 22:34:44 sure 22:34:49 !bug 5903 22:34:49 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=5903 22:34:55 (roctavian) 22:35:03 ah, roctavian! 22:35:10 !bug 7035 22:35:10 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=7035 22:35:13 we should have his email 22:35:16 (Bloax) 22:35:22 hmm, misc autopickup doesn't really work - gets duplicate evokers 22:35:32 mmm, bloax 22:36:45 ok, i lied, one more 22:36:50 !bug 6106 22:36:50 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=6106 22:36:50 <|amethyst> %git 910cf96a29 22:36:50 07roctavian02 * 0.16-a0-3661-g910cf96: Nikola, Snorg tile edits. 10(11 months ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/910cf96a29b1 22:36:54 (white_noise) 22:36:58 <|amethyst> email address in the commit ^^ 22:37:19 nice 22:37:22 not sure how i missed that 22:37:30 yeah, he's on the dev team 22:37:43 ohh 22:37:48 i have him under a different name 22:37:50 donblas: I just sent that note to Curio from mantis 22:38:02 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:10 |amethyst: do we have bloax's email, or should I use mantis for that as well? 22:38:25 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:47 i'm pulling up the commiter list from github now 22:38:51 <|amethyst> I don't know it 22:38:57 ok, I'll use mantis 22:39:20 hmm 22:39:23 Bloax and white_noise are not in commits list fwict 22:39:26 should trog summon berserk juggernauts 22:39:45 no 22:39:46 I mean for wrath 22:39:47 should BiA summon berserk juggernauts 22:40:04 should BiA summon berserk iron giants 22:40:07 @??juggernaut 22:40:07 juggernaut (09C) | Spd: 15 (atk: 450%) | HD: 20 | HP: 155-185 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 80, 40 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 7210 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 22:40:12 I mean yes he should, that's awesome 22:40:18 but no Trog shouldn't 22:40:19 @??juggernaut perm_ench:berserk 22:40:19 juggernaut (09C) | Spd: 22-23 (atk: 450%) | HD: 20 | HP: 234-275 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 120, 60 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 7211 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 22:40:23 @??iron giant perm_ench:berserk 22:40:23 iron giant (10C) | Spd: 15 | HD: 22 | HP: 314-342 | AC/EV: 18/2 | Dam: 112, 003(constrict) | 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(120), 05fire, 02cold, 03poison, 12drown | XP: 5569 | Sp: iron shot (3d37) [06!sil], throw [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 22:40:25 good dmg 22:40:39 Grunt: can they still throw when zerked? 22:40:44 I don't think so 22:40:52 would be funny, but weird 22:41:00 -!- CaptainFruitcake has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:04 Grunt: you are on my list! "Would you consider releasing any artwork done for Crawl to CC:0 (Public domain), and any future work?" 22:41:08 what is going on freenode 22:41:14 donblas: I think I have already answered that with a "yes" 22:41:22 but in case I'm not on the record yet, there you go 22:41:28 possible, people go by so many names 22:41:50 (not that anyone would really use my tiles out of context >.>) 22:41:52 (except that gamamfunk person) 22:41:55 Grunt: are you also sgrunt? Ice elementalist unique: Fannar. (grunt) ? 22:41:59 donblas: what's the name of your tiles project, again? 22:42:11 (sgrunt) stupid auto correct 22:42:16 hee hee hee 22:42:17 I should make a new fred tile too 22:42:19 * Grunt has many names... 22:42:26 !nick Grunt 22:42:26 Mapping grunt => sgrunt hypergrunt deathgrunt 22:42:28 https://github.com/crawl/tiles 22:42:32 I forget what fred looked like before grunt made a fred tile 22:43:03 ah, now I remember 22:43:43 donblas: reminder sent to bloax 22:43:59 thank you, can you do white_noise (above) please? 22:44:07 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.18-a0-654-geff4d35: Ufetubus tile 10(71 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eff4d3524aa9 22:44:11 after that, i'm going to call it a night 22:44:36 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:44:40 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:44:42 -!- CaptainFruitcake is now known as CanOfWorms 22:44:46 my gf: "what is that supposed to be" 22:44:55 "a dumb-looking demon penguin sort of thing" 22:44:59 "mission accomplished" 22:46:26 donblas: sent 22:46:44 thank you gammafunk 22:47:03 g'night devs o/ 22:47:12 oh my god 22:47:17 HD ufetubi?! 22:47:30 they went on a diet! 22:47:31 dang 22:47:33 looks good 22:47:54 man, bloax's mummies sure are... something 22:48:01 !bug 8125 22:48:01 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8125 22:48:01 rip chubby demon 22:48:17 Grunt: maybe the gift should be at * 22:48:17 yeah they were not Right For Crawl 22:48:30 Grunt: so you dont spend time with quick charge but no wands 22:48:45 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:48:47 so * is wand gift, 2* is quick charge? 22:48:53 both * 22:49:04 &trunk.versions 22:49:32 CAO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CDO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CPO: 0.18-a0-651-g29bce60, CSZO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CUE: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CWZ: 0.18-a0-43-g402c68f, CXC: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa, LLD: 0.18-a0-593-g3a9cb0d CBRO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e 22:49:35 super ugly command ^ 22:49:42 use &versions 22:49:45 can't 22:49:48 &versions 22:49:52 it counts experimentals 22:50:03 oh, is that what went wrong yesterday? 22:50:03 !bug 8350 22:50:03 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8350 22:50:06 CAO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CBRO: 0.18-a0-663-g903a958, CDO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CPO: 0.18-a0-651-g29bce60, CSZO: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CUE: 0.18-a0-641-g4caf58e, CWZ: 0.18-a0-43-g402c68f, CXC: 0.18-a0-640-g2c992fa, LLD: 0.18-a0-593-g3a9cb0d 22:50:09 buff duvessa 22:50:10 adding explbr= to the .version.query makes the command timeout 22:50:21 !cmd &trunk.versions 22:50:21 Command: &trunk.versions => .echo $(join ", " (map (fn (src) (concat $src ": " (=version.query $src $*))) $(list CAO CDO CPO CSZO CUE CWZ CXC LLD))) $(join ", " (map (fn (src) (concat $src ": " (=version.query.trunk $src $*))) $(list CBRO))) 22:50:26 UGLY!!!!! 22:50:28 !kw experimental 22:50:28 Keyword: experimental => explbr!=||file=~'/smithgod/' 22:50:36 who did chesspieces again 22:50:39 the 90s timeout is too short 22:50:50 I did 22:50:58 !cmd =version.query 22:50:58 Command: =version.query => !lm * recent $* max=vlong fmt:"$vlong" stub:"none" 22:51:01 !cmd =version.query.trunk 22:51:02 Command: =version.query.trunk => !lm * trunk explbr= $* max=vlong fmt:"$vlong" stub:"none" 22:51:11 suggestion: name them Xom's Chesspiece rather than the current one which is too long 22:51:12 so you can't just swap the methods 22:51:21 oh you mean the code 22:51:22 that's ebering 22:51:23 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:25 I just did the tiles ;v 22:51:25 -!- donblas has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:51:29 ebering: suggestion: name them Xom's Chesspiece rather than the current one which is too long 22:51:39 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:52:01 Xom's Fabulous Game of Fun and Excitement for the Whole Family 22:52:08 Salamander stormcallers’ chant does not need to be continuous; they now only need to try to cast Fire Storm at their target three times for it to trigger. 22:52:17 does this counter ever reset? is it per-stormcaller? 22:55:45 !cmd .doomed !lg * ikiller=doom_hound $* 22:55:46 Defined command: .doomed => !lg * ikiller=doom_hound $* 22:57:02 chequers: I liked gammafunk's name better 22:57:17 i can't argue with that 22:58:09 -!- LordSloth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:00:02 !tell Medar a merge did fix 194 23:00:03 ebering: OK, I'll let medar know. 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:41 !tell |amethyst now that holinesses is a branch I can't update it myself (see pr 196) 23:00:41 ebering: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 23:03:08 <|amethyst> }: I was working on that and just realised something 23:03:08 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 23:03:34 <|amethyst> }: that newstate <= HS_SATIATED actually isn't redundant with the function 23:03:48 <|amethyst> err 23:04:02 <|amethyst> }: never mind 23:06:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-655-gfed3b5d: Don't remove shadow form when a vampire becomes thirsty (bsdbeard) 10(57 minutes ago, 3 files, 6+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/fed3b5d241bd 23:06:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-656-gf5ec3a8: Restructure player_alive_enough_for (bsdbeard) 10(48 minutes ago, 4 files, 50+ 37-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f5ec3a85312e 23:06:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-657-g8e11b5c: Fix up food_change and lifeless_prevents_form a bit. 10(36 minutes ago, 4 files, 26+ 27-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8e11b5c8b5ff 23:06:56 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-658-g4f7811d: Correct the scale on a duration check. 10(13 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4f7811d870d9 23:08:41 03ebering02 07[holinesses] * 0.18-a0-609-ged89fc5: Fix and remove (PleasingFungus) 10(22 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed89fc5b0ed2 23:08:41 03|amethyst02 07[holinesses] * 0.18-a0-610-g270a471: Merge pull request #196 from ebering/holinesses 10(5 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/270a4714ee38 23:09:06 <|amethyst> I used the purple button because I figured we can rebase that merge bubble out when it goes into master 23:09:53 <|amethyst> I guess I could force push the merge commit away since it's a FF 23:09:55 <|amethyst> but meh 23:12:30 wait, |amethyst used the purple button?! 23:13:28 that's one step away from installing a Windows OS 23:13:33 <|amethyst> :) 23:14:30 <|amethyst> it's only trunk and release branches where I dislike unnecessary merge commits 23:15:35 <|amethyst> mostly I was lazy 23:17:59 -!- WalkerBoh has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:05 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 23:19:06 The build passed. (master - 26805c2 #4082 : Steve Melenchuk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/95001450 23:19:06 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 23:22:44 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:24:07 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:24:26 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:29:20 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:31:17 <|amethyst> hm 23:31:23 <|amethyst> something happened with fog machines 23:31:30 <|amethyst> they're producing a *lot* more fog than they used to 23:32:39 !tell ontoclasm do ufetubi explode yet 23:32:39 Grunt: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 23:37:35 Where is silent spectre radius defined? Having a tough time finding it 23:38:39 Sikence_radius 23:38:39 s/k/l/ 23:46:01 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 23:46:44 !source areas.cc:518 23:46:44 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/areas.cc#l518 23:47:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:49:16 ty grunt. my mistake was trying to use github search 23:49:40 which did return areas.cc but not that line. 23:53:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-659-gb9673d2: Decay clouds as they spread. 10(16 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b9673d25cfc0 23:54:42 |amethyst: that reminds me of the old steam bug 23:54:57 %git HEAD^{/buggy.*steam} 23:54:58 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-2197-g0685f9e: Reduce extreme (buggy) steam spread rate from fire clouds over water 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0685f9efc0ff 23:55:12 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:58:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:59:24 <|amethyst> Grunt: first I encountered lemuel_old_faithful and was thinking "WTF, is this Volcano?" 23:59:37 were you 23:59:39 steaming mad at it 23:59:47 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving]