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00:05:57 <gammafunk> 1learn add g
00:05:58 <gammafunk> w
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00:25:08 <doy> someone should really fix that dumb monster ai bug where they consistently follow people to the wrong side of walls
00:25:18 <Grunt> I nominate doy
00:25:20 <Grunt> <.<
00:25:35 <gammafunk> Doy AI (tm)
00:26:11 <Cheibriados> 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.18-a0-80-g0c48b46: Silent Spectre tile 10(27 seconds ago, 2 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0c48b46bfa51
00:26:15 <doy> i'll... get right on that
00:26:36 <Grunt> ontoclasm: silent spirit
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00:26:38 <Grunt> <.<
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00:27:22 <ontoclasm> yes
00:27:39 <Grunt> (I'm glad we found something to use that for :) )
00:27:59 <gammafunk> ontoclasm: now I can't call them "Silent Bob"!
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00:28:38 <chequers> does ely pacification give piety?
00:28:45 <kvaak> it uses piety
00:28:46 <simmarine> it shouldnt
00:28:52 <simmarine> yes it should only spend piety
00:28:53 <Grunt> It used to give piety; I think it no longer does
00:28:56 <CanOfWorms> it doesn't
00:29:01 <simmarine> newely only gives piety with exploration now
00:30:00 <CanOfWorms> I"m looking forward to exploring shoals in trunk after the tournament
00:30:12 <gammafunk> why in trunk?
00:30:15 <Grunt> because
00:30:16 <Grunt> %git HEAD^^
00:30:16 <Cheibriados> 07ontoclasm02 * 0.18-a0-78-g35238c0: New merfolk tiles 10(2 hours ago, 17 files, 37+ 40-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/35238c0a4e68
00:30:18 <Grunt> :)
00:30:19 <gammafunk> ah
00:30:25 <gammafunk> hey, we should cherry pick those!
00:30:29 <ontoclasm> nagas are up next
00:30:40 <Grunt> ontoclasm: I demand that sharpshooters keep their bandanas
00:30:41 <Grunt> <.< >.>
00:30:56 <ontoclasm> i think nagas are all going to be buff bald dudes
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00:31:09 <Grunt> what about Vashnia
00:31:20 <gammafunk> ontoclasm: WHAT IS AB STATUS?
00:31:21 <ontoclasm> well okay, plus one buff bald lady
00:31:22 <CanOfWorms> https://twitter.com/rturfurrycrush/status/646494854508347392 < new nagas
00:31:35 <kvaak> what the fuck
00:31:47 <gammafunk> CanOfWorms: I knew you'd be into that kind of thing
00:31:47 <ontoclasm> o-oh my
00:31:58 <CanOfWorms> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrBKIUkwTzg
00:32:01 <CanOfWorms> context!
00:34:05 <gammafunk> I've seen a few undertale streams, seem pretty amusing
00:34:08 <gammafunk> not my kind of thing to play
00:35:34 <CanOfWorms> it's got good music
00:38:36 <CanOfWorms> see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EgVJAAEn8XE
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00:43:29 <ProzacElf> hey, why can't vampires get blood from entropy weavers?
00:43:40 <CanOfWorms> @??entropy weaver
00:43:40 <Gretell> entropy weaver (07p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 52-89 | AC/EV: 7/13 | Dam: 17, 17, 17, 17 | fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 1002 | Sp: c.entropy | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
00:43:45 <ProzacElf> i mean, they use the p glyph and the tile for their corpse has red blood
00:44:06 <CanOfWorms> it would help with vp having a terrible time in spider, yeah
00:44:10 <chequers> what's the purpose of heal other then? is it just more reliable 'damage' than attacking?
00:44:18 <CanOfWorms> it's still pacify
00:44:24 <CanOfWorms> smite targeted banish that doesn't banish
00:44:37 <CanOfWorms> create neutral bodies
00:44:43 <doy> it is kind of weird to me that entropy weavers are human
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00:45:03 <ProzacElf> they worship the spider god!
00:45:05 <ProzacElf> or something
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00:45:27 <doy> the spider god who... corrodes things? unlike any other spider?
00:45:39 <ProzacElf> heh
00:45:40 <ProzacElf> right
00:45:45 <CanOfWorms> yes
00:45:46 <CanOfWorms> exactly
00:45:47 <doy> like, i like the monster concept, just the flavor is off
00:45:55 <CanOfWorms> all spiders corrode HP
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00:47:10 <amalloy> chequers: heal other also heals your allies, if you target them
00:47:35 <amalloy> but mostly it is like banish
00:47:35 <elliptic> I don't like the monster concept, delayed spells that don't do anything if you aren't in sight at the end of the delay (entropy weaver, salamander stormcaller) lead to pretty bad gameplay
00:47:37 <gammafunk> doy: by human, you mean humanoid?
00:47:59 <gammafunk> I do agree that the delay spell thing is really not an effective gimmick
00:48:14 <elliptic> a very large proportion of the time when either of those monsters starts to do their thing, I just take 1-2 steps to leave sight of them
00:48:36 <elliptic> it works all right on convokers because their spell still happens and does its thing regardless of where you are
00:48:50 <gammafunk> yeah
00:49:06 <gammafunk> the actual effects of those monsters are fine, but there's not really a reason for the delay
00:49:08 <elliptic> though there are still some weirdnesses, like if you step out of sight before the spell finishes then the convoker will know where you are but the stuff it brought in will not
00:49:14 <Grunt> rework stormcallers into scorchers, give them some other spell in place of Chant Fire Storm
00:49:20 <Grunt> (remove draconian scorchers)
00:49:20 <doy> yeah, by the monster concept i mean more "smite corrosion in spider"
00:49:31 <elliptic> gammafunk: well, undelayed Corr-12 would be pretty silly
00:49:53 <gammafunk> elliptic: well silly how? if they just had a low chance of casting it, maybe with a cooldown?
00:49:54 <elliptic> some sort of smite corrosion attack that only applies a single layer of corrosion could work
00:50:07 <CanOfWorms> mr resisted corrosion?
00:50:22 <gammafunk> oh, yeah you can just let them stack corrosion
00:50:35 <ProzacElf> heh.  none of this answered my original question though
00:50:37 <Grunt> Weave Entropy - keep smite effect, remove delay, make a single layer
00:50:42 <elliptic> gammafunk: have you tried to melee anything serious with Corr-12 or Corr-16? it isn't very fun (or a very good idea)
00:50:53 <Grunt> !lg gw min=ac -log
00:50:54 <Sequell> 7880. gw, XL11 DDGl, T:10344: http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/gw/morgue-gw-20140914-171308.txt
00:50:55 <elliptic> it's just a very large effect
00:50:56 <ProzacElf> like, is there a reason they are edible to everything but vampires?
00:51:08 <Grunt> I guess that needs the tv to show it
00:51:12 <Grunt> b) -73 morningstar
00:51:12 <CanOfWorms> it's not fun but only because it has slay-12/-16
00:51:41 <gammafunk> I mean that statement really applies to anything with corrosion
00:51:42 <elliptic> CanOfWorms: yeah, if it was AC only then it would be more tolerable
00:51:45 <CanOfWorms> slay-16 is two inacc amulets right?
00:51:53 <gammafunk> how are you going to prevent from getting corroded
00:51:54 <CanOfWorms> I mean for the accuracy part
00:52:06 <elliptic> gammafunk: not really, because other things with corrosion don't do -16 all at once
00:52:21 <elliptic> CanOfWorms: three, inacc is -5
00:52:37 <CanOfWorms> ah
00:52:42 <gammafunk> I think most things that have af_corrode or w/e it is stack it very easilly, esp. since rcorr doesn't block it very well
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00:52:54 <gammafunk> but anyhow making it more a normal effect with stack sounds fine to me
00:52:56 <Grunt> @??entropy weaver
00:52:56 <Gretell> entropy weaver (07p) | Spd: 10 | HD: 13 | HP: 52-89 | AC/EV: 7/13 | Dam: 17, 17, 17, 17 | fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60) | XP: 1002 | Sp: c.entropy | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
00:53:00 <elliptic> gammafunk: like -4 corrosion is tolerable, -8 starts to get bad, -12 and you want to abandon the fight if it is at all dangerous
00:53:03 <CanOfWorms> there was a recent change that made it harder to stack corrosion if you have a lot right?
00:53:09 <elliptic> there is a reasonable progression normally
00:53:11 <Grunt> I'll probably add these to the pile of gruntcommits
00:53:41 <elliptic> wait do entropy weavers really have 4 melee attacks? I never knew
00:54:12 <doy> yeah
00:54:14 <simmarine> i assumed they didnt even have ana ttack
00:54:19 <doy> another reason why "humanoid" is weird
00:54:33 <CanOfWorms> they fight with their feet.
00:54:44 <ProzacElf> ....i'll just post it to mantis and see if it gets sorted out that way
00:54:54 <gammafunk> progression feels really fast to me for anything at a higher level, but that seems to be the intent of the effect's design
00:55:15 <gammafunk> for stormcallers, I'm not sure if "has firestorm" is really a great monster
00:55:45 <CanOfWorms> @??cerebov
00:55:46 <Gretell> Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 22535 | Sp: fire storm (8d16 / 8d17) [06!sil], iron shot (3d36) [06!sil], haste [06!sil], sum.greater demon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: huma..
00:56:02 <CanOfWorms> @??asmodeus
00:56:03 <Gretell> Asmodeus (04&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 17 | HP: 450 | AC/EV: 30/7 | Dam: 50 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 10elec, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 15658 | Sp: b.fire (3d26) [06!sil], hellfire (3d20) [06!sil], fire summon [06!sil] | Sz: Large | Int: human.
00:56:23 <gammafunk> I guess it's fine as for as cute effects go; they'd be pretty nuts if they could just keep casting it
00:56:32 <gammafunk> s/for/far/
00:56:52 <CanOfWorms> the only problem is that they tend to spawn with things that don't have rF
00:57:41 <ProzacElf> it is kind of funny to see them blow up a bunch of other guys who are ostensibly helping them though.
00:58:56 <gammafunk> I think entropy weavers having so many attacks is just to take advantage of the corrosion
00:59:00 <rchandra> they steal your xp, that's enough penalty
00:59:08 <gammafunk> but they can still do that if they don't give 16 corr or w/e all at once
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01:00:11 <gammafunk> @??salamander_stormcaller
01:00:12 <Gretell> salamander stormcaller (05N) | Spd: 10 (swim: 70%) | HD: 15 | HP: 67-84 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1004(fire:15-29) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1260 | Sp: conjure flame (42d1), sticky flame range (3d6), chant fire storm | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
01:00:32 <gammafunk> @??cerebov hd:15
01:00:32 <Gretell> Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 15 | HP: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 11747 | Sp: fire storm (8d11 / 8d12) [06!sil], iron shot (3d28) [06!sil], haste [06!sil], sum.greater demon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: huma..
01:01:52 <Cheibriados> Entropy weavers cannot be used for food by Vp 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10070 by prozacelf
01:02:23 <Sizzell> Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17.0-22-g5edae84
01:02:30 <chequers> amalloy: ah good point
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01:07:11 <CanOfWorms> oh that reminds me
01:07:20 <CanOfWorms> I stabbed a juggernaut with my VpMo
01:07:24 <CanOfWorms> it was pretty satisfying
01:08:56 <gammafunk> .jugged
01:08:57 <Sequell> 128. [dam=74;tdam=80] JLipinski the Conqueror (L24 MiFi of Okawaru), mangled by a juggernaut on Depths:3 (hangedman_box_tower) on 2015-11-12 04:58:06, with 545221 points after 62714 turns and 4:38:47.
01:09:19 <gammafunk> .jugged -2
01:09:20 <Sequell> 127/128. [dam=62;tdam=62] Rayvis the Impregnable (L21 MiFi of Cheibriados), mangled by a juggernaut on Depths:1 on 2015-11-11 14:56:31, with 372104 points after 43968 turns and 1:37:04.
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01:21:45 <Grunt> hm I am going to use Fireball as a drop-in replacement spell for stormcallers -> scorchers
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01:21:56 <Grunt> it's kind of boring but we can think of what they can get later <.<
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01:26:37 <gammafunk> Grunt: what's plan for stormcallers again, sorry?
01:26:44 <gammafunk> *what's the
01:27:20 <gammafunk> @??draconian_sorcher
01:27:20 <Gretell> unknown monster: "draconian_sorcher"
01:27:27 <gammafunk> @??draconian_scorcher
01:27:28 <Gretell> yellow draconian scorcher (04q) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 71-87 | AC/EV: 9/12 | Dam: 15 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 08acid | XP: 1673 | Sp: b.fire (3d25), b.magma (3d25), fireball (3d26), hellfire (3d20), hellfire (3d20) burst [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | Int: human.
01:27:32 <doy> i don't think that moving to something that's just more boring is the right answer here
01:28:01 <gammafunk> doy is now a BORING thing!
01:28:29 <gammafunk> wow, they have both hellfire spells
01:28:34 <gammafunk> did not know that
01:28:40 <Grunt> "both"?
01:28:42 <Grunt> both what
01:28:47 <gammafunk> scorchers
01:28:53 <Grunt> what's the other scorcher
01:28:59 <gammafunk> er, the current ones?
01:29:02 <|amethyst> both hellfire spells
01:29:04 <gammafunk> oh
01:29:04 <CanOfWorms> they have both
01:29:06 <CanOfWorms> not they both have
01:29:07 <|amethyst> hellfire and hellfire burst
01:29:07 <gammafunk> yeah, heh sorry
01:29:09 <Grunt> oh
01:29:16 <gammafunk> not they both have, they have both
01:29:31 <gammafunk> maybe people are just so used to me making typos they see them ahead of time
01:29:51 <Grunt> anyway a spell that does something is less boring than a spell that trivially does nothing in my view
01:29:53 <|amethyst> grammarfunk
01:30:01 <gammafunk> Ashenzari warns you: "gammafunk mistypes."
01:30:32 <gammafunk> oh so you mean to rename stormcallers to scorchers, give them fball over call firestorm?
01:30:39 <Grunt> that is the current plan
01:30:50 <Grunt> because we at least need to do something for ones that exist in games already
01:31:15 <gammafunk> oh, sure. But if they don't have firestorm, what's their new reason for existing?
01:31:22 <Grunt> this is on the assumption that we want to keep them around (which I think we can, pending some kind of decision on what spells we want them to cast)
01:31:23 <gammafunk> please don't say conjure flame!
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01:31:43 <Grunt> do they ever appear in a place where they can use conjure flame
01:31:43 <gammafunk> aka monster cantrip
01:31:51 <|amethyst> give them orb-spider-style fire storm?
01:31:55 <gammafunk> haha
01:32:02 <gammafunk> give them orbstorm
01:32:06 <|amethyst> (by which I mean, they have to "charge it up")
01:32:12 <Grunt> that's... actually kind of an interesting idea
01:32:14 <|amethyst> (but leaving LOS doesn't stop that)
01:32:30 <|amethyst> s/stop/cancel/
01:32:37 <Grunt> but I also don't generally like the idea of puny individual enemies casting Fire Storm anyway <.<
01:32:41 <gammafunk> yeah I had vaguely thought of basicaly firestorm with a breath-style cooldown
01:33:21 <|amethyst> FR: orbstorm-on-taking-damage demonspawn facet
01:33:21 <gammafunk> well if you want to rethink their fire gimmick entirely, I suppose, but my vote would probably just be for removal
01:33:30 <chequers> !tell nicolae- might need to reduce the size of N shops https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18192&view=unread&sid=0453f42d838c35dddf7d34f11cbd82fd#unread
01:33:30 <Sequell> chequers: OK, I'll let nicolae- know.
01:33:32 <gammafunk> if they don't have some new-and-different fire spell
01:33:37 <gammafunk> since there are a lot of monsters with fire spells
01:33:39 <chequers> M*
01:33:42 <doy> yeah, i'd go for either charged/breath fire storm or just remove
01:33:43 <chequers> !tell nicolae- M*
01:33:43 <Sequell> chequers: OK, I'll let nicolae- know.
01:34:10 <Grunt> I'm going to sit on this commit for the moment while the tourney runs - we can think more about it for the next week and a half
01:34:19 <gammafunk> of course we'd have to convince Lasty to let his baby go
01:34:21 <Grunt> incidentally this commit also reworks Chant Word of Entropy into Entropic Weave
01:34:29 <Grunt> smite-target, MR-check, one level
01:34:34 <Grunt> instantaneous
01:34:37 <gammafunk> He probably does not have my iron will for removals
01:34:46 <Grunt> (i.e. no chant delay)
01:35:04 <gammafunk> You think mr check is necessary?
01:35:11 <Grunt> it might; it might not
01:35:12 <gammafunk> if it only applies corrosion, I'm not sure it is
01:35:28 <Grunt> it's one of two easy ways I can think of to avoid it getting spammed too much
01:35:34 <Grunt> (the other is to adjust the spell frequency)
01:35:45 <gammafunk> hrm
01:36:01 <gammafunk> 25% chance presently
01:36:11 <|amethyst> http://goo.gl/bjnBgg  entropic weave
01:36:23 <gammafunk> like 12 turns you'd expect a stack of 4
01:36:27 <Grunt> |amethyst: show that to ontoclasm
01:36:31 <gammafunk> which is 16? or is that 20
01:36:39 <gammafunk> er
01:36:41 <Grunt> stack of 4 would be 16
01:36:41 <gammafunk> stack of 3
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01:36:46 <Grunt> stack of 3 would be... 12
01:37:12 <gammafunk> so yeah like a 12 turn fight or so, average case seems ok even at 25%, but
01:37:37 <Grunt> maybe I'll leave it without the MR check for the moment and see if it ends up being too spammy
01:38:08 <gammafunk> yeah, MR check might indeed be a better way, but we do place them in e.g. depths
01:38:17 <gammafunk> that is also something that could be revisited, though
01:38:25 <gammafunk> leaking branch monsters, etc
01:39:05 <Grunt> anyway I am going to sleep
01:39:28 <gammafunk> Take it easy...
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01:40:36 <Napkin> ??123
01:40:36 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled 123 in my learndb.
01:40:48 <gammafunk> .echo $(concat da $(!blamen 3 n) g !)
01:40:48 <Sequell> dannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnng!
01:40:51 <gammafunk> good
01:41:20 <Napkin> moin guys
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01:41:59 <Napkin> !del "~</dt></dl></body></html><!--"
01:42:04 <Napkin> !learn del "~</dt></dl></body></html><!--"
01:42:05 <Sequell> Deleted ~</dt></dl></body></html><!--[1/1]: You found a secret!
01:43:01 <gammafunk> Napkin: wow, what was that?
01:43:13 <|amethyst> screwing up the HTML output I imagine?
01:43:25 <|amethyst> probably the HTML gen should be escaping < >
01:43:26 <gammafunk> aha
01:43:33 <|amethyst> and &
01:43:39 <Napkin> I imagine too, found it while sorting out valid input chars
01:44:11 <|amethyst> ?/ </
01:44:12 <Sequell> No matches.
01:44:13 <gammafunk> I guess that could have been used to make a browser exploit?
01:44:14 <|amethyst> ?/ <
01:44:14 <Sequell> Matching entries (1539): !help:!ac[1] | !help:!acbonus[1] | !help:!aevp[1] | !help:!armourdodgepenalty[1] | !help:!dodgebonus[1] | !help:!ev[1] | !help:!isonline[1] | !help:!listmax[1] | !help:!nowin[1] | !help:!order[1] | !help:!score[1] | !help:!send[1] | !help:!skillperac[1] | !help:!speedorb[1] | !help:!speedrune[1] | !help:!tstats[1] | !nick[1] | 0.9_reasons[1] | 4.1[3] | 4.1[5] | 4.1[7] | 41...
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01:45:18 <|amethyst> ??
01:45:26 <|amethyst> ??
01:45:38 <Napkin> it's a bit inconvenient, that many used {} for command instructions instead of redirection
01:45:38 <|amethyst> !learn q
01:45:39 <Sequell> [1/1]: |amethyst's favourite unicode character!
01:45:54 <Grunt> I think I will implement chargestorm and see how that works
01:46:10 <Grunt> (name will stay stormcaller in that case)
01:46:18 <|amethyst> ??colours[2]
01:46:18 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/colour.cc#l401
01:46:20 <|amethyst> ??colours[23
01:46:20 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled colours[23] in my learndb.
01:46:21 <gammafunk> hah, chargestorm
01:46:22 <|amethyst> ??colours[3
01:46:22 <Sequell> colours[3/3]: for y in {0..7}; do for b in 0 1; do for x in {0..7}; do printf '\e[%1d;4%1d;3%1dm%1d/%1d ' ${b} ${y} ${x} $((x+8*b)) ${y}; done; done; printf '\e[0m\n'; done
01:46:29 <Grunt> but that's for another day
01:46:31 <gammafunk> chargestorm is a good player name
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01:47:42 <Napkin> ??~species_abbrev_${.}
01:47:42 <Sequell> ~species abbrev ${.}[1/1]: XX
01:47:52 <Napkin> ??~species_abbrev_${crace}
01:47:52 <Sequell> ~species abbrev ${crace}[1/1]: XX
01:48:01 <Napkin> what are those used for?
01:48:23 <|amethyst> most things starting with ~ are used as data for !cmds
01:48:41 <Napkin> ??~role_abbrev_${.}
01:48:41 <Sequell> ~role abbrev ${.}[1/1]: XX
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01:48:56 <Napkin> explain, |amethyst - "data"?
01:49:02 <|amethyst> !fn species_abbrev
01:49:02 <Sequell> !fn species_abbrev (sp) $(if (not (ldb "~species_abbrev $sp")) (ignore (ldb-add "~species_abbrev $sp" (sub 0 2 $(!lg * crace="$sp" fmt:"$char" stub:"XXXX")))))(entry "~species_abbrev $sp" 1)
01:49:07 <Napkin> read & used by other commands?
01:49:10 <|amethyst> yeah
01:49:28 <|amethyst> .echo $(species_abbrev Spriggan)
01:49:28 <Sequell> Sp
01:49:36 <|amethyst> ??~species_abbrev_spriggan
01:49:36 <Sequell> ~species abbrev Spriggan[1/1]: Sp
01:49:48 <Napkin> hmm, ok
01:49:59 <Napkin> so need to sort them out, i guess
01:50:13 <|amethyst> hm
01:50:24 <|amethyst> it's useful to be able to see them in one place somewhere
01:50:48 <|amethyst> but I guess that could be part of userdef.html instead
01:51:04 <|amethyst> oh hm
01:51:13 <|amethyst> learndb.html already hides them I guess
01:51:21 <Napkin> yeah
01:51:46 <|amethyst> also ! and :
01:52:01 <|amethyst> ??:acl:nick:kramin
01:52:01 <Sequell> :acl:nick:kramin[1/1]: Kramin
01:52:18 <|amethyst> ??:acl:db::beh:
01:52:18 <Sequell> :acl:db::beh:[1/1]: @admin
01:52:36 <|amethyst> ??!help:!aevp
01:52:36 <Sequell> !help:!aevp[1/1]: Usage: !aevp <ER> <str> <armour skill>. Returns the aevp (armour EV penalty)
01:54:06 <|amethyst> hm, but
01:54:08 <|amethyst> ??:)
01:54:08 <Sequell> doy[4/5]: (:
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02:13:36 <ProzacElf> are octopode crushers a normal spawn in shoals?
02:14:28 <CanOfWorms> there was discussion to remove them from shoals eventually since they're U depth spawns
02:14:44 <CanOfWorms> but I don't think they're common spawns
02:15:27 <gammafunk> they spawn as ood through a vault
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02:16:12 <gammafunk> which is fine by itself; the discussion as about removing them entirely and replacing them with a somewhat similar but probably more dangerous depths-only monster
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02:16:51 <CanOfWorms> crawl 0.18: juggershoals
02:17:21 <gammafunk> yeah the new monster would not spawn in shoals even as ood, since thematically it would have no relation and it'd be just a bit too much, I think
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02:17:41 <Keskitalo> !tell Grunt An embarrassing display of how out of touch with the development I am!
02:17:41 <Sequell> Keskitalo: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
02:17:41 <Sequell> Keskitalo: OK, I'll let grunt know.
02:18:20 <ProzacElf> ah
02:18:37 <ProzacElf> also, the kraken simulacrum vault is new, right/
02:18:38 <ProzacElf> ?
02:19:15 <CanOfWorms> yeah
02:19:23 <CanOfWorms> a grunt(tm) shoals ending
02:19:25 <ProzacElf> it's kind of neat
02:19:29 <ProzacElf> of course it's his
02:20:01 <CanOfWorms> he also has a garden themed ending
02:20:04 <CanOfWorms> haven't seen it yet though
02:20:13 <CanOfWorms> it's got satyrs and fauns apparently
02:20:38 <ProzacElf> that sounds awful
02:20:38 <ProzacElf> heh
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02:23:52 <gammafunk> !kw current
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02:23:52 <Sequell> Keyword: current => cv>=0.16
02:24:03 <gammafunk> !kw trunk
02:24:03 <Sequell> Keyword: trunk => alpha !experimental
02:24:21 <gammafunk> !lg * cv>=0.17-a  place=shoals:4 killer~~simul
02:24:22 <Sequell> No games for * (cv>=0.17-a place=shoals:4 killer~~simul).
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02:24:31 <gammafunk> alas
02:27:23 <Napkin> i think this thingy works again: http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=Terence
02:30:33 <gammafunk> dang
02:31:09 <gammafunk> Napkin: any reason why http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=octopode_crusher doesn't have a tile?
02:31:38 <gammafunk> ah
02:31:41 <gammafunk> it's the underscore
02:31:53 <gammafunk> Napkin: it seems if you look up with an underscore it pulls up all but the tile
02:31:56 <gammafunk> maybe that's fine
02:32:57 <Napkin> http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=octopode+crusher
02:33:57 <gammafunk> yep, that works fine, so I guess the solution is "don't use an underscore"
02:34:11 <gammafunk> Napkin: should I link to this on the website again, then?
02:34:28 <Napkin> sure
02:34:28 <gammafunk> Are we ready for prime time...the big leagues...
02:34:40 <Napkin> it's probably not stable yet
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02:34:55 <Napkin> quite complicated with char-replacement in learndb and it's html
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02:35:20 <Napkin> but let's get some reports
02:35:56 <gammafunk> I'm looking at wordpress but I should really start with the actual home page
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02:42:31 <johnstein> grunt, how do I make the bot stop playing?
02:42:36 <johnstein> using the expect script?
02:42:44 <johnstein> feels like a dumb question
02:43:38 <Napkin> there, works now, gammafunk:
02:43:38 <Napkin> http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=octopode_crusher
02:43:45 <Napkin> http://crawl.develz.org/info/index.php?q=octopode+crusher
02:44:20 <gammafunk> Napkin: great, thanks!
02:44:34 <geekosaur> johnstein, press control-c
02:44:44 <gammafunk> I'm putting a link on the home page as the main learndb lookup link, with the other one listed as an alternate.
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02:44:56 <Napkin> but there are probably many more exceptions like that
02:45:11 <Napkin> there should be the old link still
02:45:17 <Napkin> with the inline search
02:45:20 <johnstein> geekosaur: didn't work
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02:45:45 <johnstein> I could force the bot to quit/abandon, but it immediately started a new game
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02:45:59 <geekosaur> actually, yeh, I;'m looking at the script and that only works in the dgl menu
02:46:09 <geekosaur> but it's in interact mode so you can just send it commands
02:46:18 <johnstein> I tried to press qqqqqqqqqqqq
02:46:26 <johnstein> so when it got to the main menu it would quit
02:46:37 <johnstein> but it was too fast and it would start a new game
02:47:01 <geekosaur> control-c should queue the exit-at-menu, then q
02:47:25 <geekosaur> in theory
02:47:45 * geekosaur prefers his expect in perl... tcl is too damn fiddly
02:48:03 <geekosaur> (perl has its own fiddly parts but I at least understand them...)
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02:48:47 <johnstein> I just ran it in a screen this time
02:49:53 <geekosaur> come to think of it. did you edit that script down properly? if your bot is jw then the "Logged in as: gw" would presumably need to be changed
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02:50:04 <johnstein> yea I changed that
02:51:42 <geekosaur> hm. that should work then, when it sees that (so at dgl menu level) and you'd pressed control-c then it should have exited
02:52:00 <gammafunk> Napkin: sorry, not sure what you mean by there should be the old link with the inline search?
02:52:14 <Napkin> wait
02:52:19 * geekosaur should not be up now and probably is missing something obvious...
02:52:33 <geekosaur> (damn weather messing with my head)
02:53:43 <Napkin> it's a "page", gammafunk, called "Knowledge Bots"
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02:55:17 <gammafunk> ah
02:55:44 <Napkin> it was disabled and made to be a link
02:55:53 <Napkin> we probably want it as a link instead of a button
02:56:17 <gammafunk> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/bots
02:56:19 <gammafunk> this one?
02:56:26 <Napkin> yeah
02:56:43 <Napkin> i hid the page from the top-right buttons again
02:56:50 <Napkin> would you do the link business?
02:57:32 <gammafunk> sure
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02:59:51 <Napkin> great
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03:00:12 <Napkin> i added min-height for the black box, so "-version" doesn't look so weird
03:00:55 <Napkin> maybe we should announce it in a post again?
03:01:44 <TZer0> !messages
03:01:44 <Sequell> No messages for TZer0.
03:01:54 <Napkin> hey TZer0
03:01:58 <Napkin> how's it going?
03:02:04 <TZer0> Good, good
03:02:19 <TZer0> something about dgl-status I see..
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03:02:52 <Napkin> exactly :)
03:03:11 <Napkin> do you have that in place already? I probably just need to change the url here then
03:03:59 <TZer0> Hmm, let me see.
03:04:06 <TZer0> what path will that typically be under?
03:04:39 <Napkin> i have it as cgi-bin in document root
03:04:40 <Napkin> http://crawl.lantea.net/cgi-bin/dgl-status
03:04:47 <Napkin> e.g.
03:05:00 <TZer0> just add :81 after .net
03:05:05 <TZer0> but change it to underhound.eu as well
03:05:14 <TZer0> http://underhound.eu:81/cgi-bin/dgl-status
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03:05:51 <TZer0> :80 is serving my (tiny) blog. :81 is non-webtiles crawl-stuff.
03:06:22 <Napkin> if i can find where it was ;)
03:06:37 <gammafunk> Links on home page and on wordpress updated
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03:08:33 <Napkin> great, thanks!
03:10:26 <johnstein> any chance to add the 'how to play online' link to the main page too?
03:11:05 <johnstein> I've had a couple people ask me about that
03:11:24 <johnstein> you have to click a link to get to the blog, then find the link in the side-bar halfway down
03:11:35 <johnstein> http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto
03:12:43 <gammafunk> yeah, that's one I kind of regret us not having a link to
03:12:50 <gammafunk> hrm, we have something on the home page, don't we?
03:13:37 <Napkin> TZer0, how is your server called?
03:14:02 <gammafunk> looks like we need to update clan description on that page
03:14:49 <johnstein> is there a problem in just adding the link?
03:14:54 <johnstein> seems easy enough to do
03:15:37 <johnstein> or is there a push to try to discourage so much console playing and only make the webtiles easier to get to? (i.e. assume the people using console know what they are doing and how to do it)
03:16:24 <gammafunk> no it's a lot more complicated than that, we'd have to roll out IP6 support and install the 3D cryogenic gigabit processor
03:16:32 <johnstein> dang
03:16:55 <gammafunk> but seriously, we want the link to onlin play be prominent so load gets distributed to the various servers
03:16:57 * johnstein is a dirty webtiles player
03:17:00 <gammafunk> and then link to downloads
03:17:12 <gammafunk> but yeah I think I can put this link under the download blurb?
03:17:13 <johnstein> well, not all servers can handle equal weight
03:17:48 <johnstein> but I get the idea. I don't think cbro is as powerful as cszo, for example
03:18:03 <gammafunk> yeah, I mean it uses geolocation
03:18:06 <gammafunk> to pick a server
03:18:17 <gammafunk> I assume this is not a problem for cbro (or other servers)?
03:18:27 <Rotatell> Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17.0-22-g5edae84
03:18:29 <johnstein> dunno
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03:18:34 <gammafunk> if cbro is too loaded right now, you should definitely let us know
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03:18:40 <johnstein> figured people liked playing on the same server
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03:18:56 <johnstein> I'd be annoyed if sometimes I got sent to cszo and other times I got sent to cbro
03:19:01 <johnstein> since they are both in atlanta
03:19:05 <gammafunk> johnstein: people eventually might, but not at first, since they don't know one server from another?
03:19:10 <johnstein> sure
03:19:18 <johnstein> for the new person, it makes sense probably
03:19:20 <gammafunk> this is when they just go to the home page and click "play"
03:19:30 <gammafunk> not for gammafunk, cszo webtiles chat rogue
03:19:34 <johnstein> but I still wonder if people get sent to cszo one day, then cbro the next
03:19:40 <johnstein> I'm not an expert on geolocation
03:19:51 <johnstein> also, I think cbro is ok for now. it's survived the past few tournies
03:20:04 <gammafunk> you know the lookup page isn't actually working for me
03:20:12 <johnstein> I have geolocation turned off :P
03:20:18 <johnstein> since I just go to cbro directly
03:20:56 <gammafunk> Yeah, I think the concern is "what happens the first time someone goes to play crawl" wrt these pages
03:21:00 <johnstein> sure
03:21:07 <johnstein> that use case makes sense
03:21:18 <Napkin> |amethyst: you are handling the debian packages, right?
03:21:28 <johnstein> I'm just passing on info from a couple console players who recently had to go looking for the console info and had a hard time finding it
03:21:37 <gammafunk> Napkin: I'm making the ones we release
03:21:40 <johnstein> long-time players who kept missing the 'how to' link on the side
03:21:51 <Napkin> oh, good
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03:22:00 <gammafunk> right, linking to how to play online doesn't really intersect with e.g. the Play now page, johnstein
03:22:07 <gammafunk> I can just add that link to the page, the question is only where
03:22:11 <Napkin> do you know can we do something about the many entries in the apache error log like this: File does not exist: /var/www/crawl.develz.org/htdocs/debian/dists/crawl/0.16/i18n
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03:24:24 <gammafunk> Napkin: yeah it seems this might be for translations of the Package info
03:24:26 <gammafunk> which we don't have
03:25:25 <Napkin> the adder skeleton... hmmmm?
03:26:00 <Napkin> they do have bones... nevermind :$
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03:26:53 <gammafunk> I was really confused for a second, since I thought those statements were related to the i18n thing
03:26:57 <gammafunk> but now it all makes sense
03:28:29 <Rotatell> Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.18-a0-80-g0c48b46 (34)
03:28:42 * doy grumbles
03:28:48 <gammafunk> johnstein: Anyhow I'll find a way to put that link on the home page, just want to make it not stick out like a sore thumb
03:28:51 <gammafunk> !lg doy
03:28:52 <doy> when did curare stop affecting poison resistant things
03:28:52 <Sequell> 1013. doy the Metallomancer (L27 DgEE), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-11-11 07:35:50, with 1317622 points after 167184 turns and 11:59:21.
03:29:16 <gammafunk> hrm, I can't actually remember when it didn't
03:29:18 <gammafunk> ??curare
03:29:18 <Sequell> curare[1/2]: A type of poison that will slow you, poison you, and do large impact damage (called asphyxiation). To avoid it you can use stealth and eXamine to avoid being in any blowgun wielding creature's line of fire for too long. Poison resistance prevents the poisoning and asphyxiation, as well as the slowing (being undead will too).
03:29:29 <gammafunk> ??curare[2
03:29:29 <Sequell> curare[2/2]: According to ogaz, you should carry curare around with you so that you can forget to use it and then feel like an idiot when you die.
03:29:33 <johnstein> gammafunk: ok. that's probably a good idea since people can easily remember the address to what looks like the Main Crawl Page
03:29:39 <johnstein> I'll pass on the info. TY!
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03:32:08 <doy> %git 2af12ea48
03:32:08 <Cheibriados> 07dolorous02 * 0.8.0-a0-2317-g2af12ea: Implement curare adjustments. 10(5 years ago, 2 files, 11+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2af12ea48461
03:32:13 <doy> apparently forever ago??
03:32:21 <doy> i am just bad at crawl i guess
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03:36:28 <Napkin> hey doy :)
03:36:34 <doy> hey(:
03:37:08 <Napkin> how's it going?
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03:38:00 <doy> pretty good
03:40:53 <doy> haven't played crawl in a while, having to relearn a few things(:
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04:34:28 <gammafunk> It's been a long time since doy was no. 8 player on the leaderboard: http://crawl.akrasiac.org/tourney/overview.html
04:34:41 <doy> haha, oh wow
04:35:07 <gammafunk> 4 wins, including MDPl, very nice
04:35:11 <gammafunk> SpRe
04:35:29 <gammafunk> 50% of those chars are still playable even
04:39:17 <doy> what version even was this
04:39:27 <gammafunk> looks like 0.4
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04:39:46 <gammafunk> 0.4.4, specifically
04:40:04 <doy> yeah
04:40:10 <gammafunk> it even predates elliptic's games
04:40:14 <gammafunk> his first was .0.5.1
04:40:40 <gammafunk> !lg doy won x=cv
04:40:40 <Sequell> 40. [cv=0.17] doy the Metallomancer (L27 DgEE), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-11-11 07:35:50, with 1317622 points after 167184 turns and 11:59:21.
04:40:42 <gammafunk> !lg doy won x=cv 1
04:40:43 <Sequell> 1/40. [cv=0.1] doy the Annihilator (L27 DEFE of Sif Muna), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2007-03-26 04:30:22, with 1361871 points after 132546 turns and 22:09:04.
04:40:52 <gammafunk> wow, and you played the first version :)
04:41:05 <gammafunk> doy has seen it all
04:41:23 <doy> yeah, i was part of the initial group to come over to cao from nethack
04:41:25 <doy> (:
04:41:53 <gammafunk> was that just a bunch of players who came and played the first version when it got hosted online?
04:41:59 <gammafunk> the first version of dcss, I mean
04:42:49 <doy> yeah, r.ax decided to set up a public server for crawl and brought a bunch of people over
04:43:42 <doy> we had all been hanging out together in the nethack community for a while
04:44:19 <gammafunk> !lg . 1
04:44:20 <Sequell> 1/3424. gammafunk the Cudgeler (L6 HEFi), mangled by Sigmund (a +0,+0 scythe) on D:4 on 2012-04-26 22:42:48, with 466 points after 5210 turns and 0:28:36.
04:44:30 <gammafunk> Yeah I don't think I played dcss until like 2011
04:44:42 <gammafunk> nethack only since like 2009
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04:45:25 <doy> our clan here http://crawl.akrasiac.org/tourney/overview.html (cabal) was a reference to our also winning clan here http://nethack.devnull.net/archive/2006/standings.shtml
04:45:26 <doy> (:
04:45:40 <gammafunk> heh, cool
04:46:12 <gammafunk> I only once participated in devnull, just made a char and got to minetown for a plastic star, I think it was
04:46:33 <gammafunk> because I didn't have time or maybe I hadn't even ascended by that point
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04:52:07 <doy> haha, it took us like two months to even figure out how to beat crawl after setting up the server
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05:23:02 <gammafunk> doy: that's pretty cool. By the time I came to both games, everyone had long figured out how to beat them
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07:02:56 <Sizzell> yrara (L5 MiGl)  (D:3)
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07:31:29 <Medar> !crashlog
07:31:30 <Sequell> 12374. yrara, XL5 MiGl, T:1352 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/yrara/crash-yrara-20151112-120306.txt
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09:00:14 <Lasty_> gammafunk: how'd your MuSu stream go?
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10:23:45 <TZer0> !edit cue s/16/17
10:23:52 <TZer0> uhh
10:23:55 <TZer0> ??help
10:23:55 <Sequell> help[1/5]: !help (I need somebody) !help (not just anybody) Try https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md or https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/learndb.md
10:24:23 <TZer0> !learn edit cue s/16/17
10:24:23 <Sequell> Use: !learn edit cue[NUM] s/<search>/<repl>/
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10:24:27 <TZer0> !learn edit cue[0] s/16/17
10:24:27 <Sequell> Use: !learn edit cue[NUM] s/<search>/<repl>/
10:24:30 <TZer0> !learn edit cue[0] s/16/17/
10:24:31 <Sequell> Use: !learn edit cue[NUM] s/<search>/<repl>/
10:24:34 <TZer0> !learn edit cue[1] s/16/17/
10:24:34 <Sequell> cue[1/4]: European Crawl server, located in Germany. http://underhound.eu:8080/ or underhound.eu, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.17 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut)
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11:02:25 <Cheibriados> Juggernaut skeletons use small/regular-sized humanoid skeleton tile 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10071 by Sar
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12:02:08 <Henzell> Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17.0-22-g5edae84
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12:40:03 <wheals> !nchoice ddtm
12:40:07 <Sequell> DDTm: 8 wins || wheals: CBRO, L18 Warrior of Makhleb || CALLOUS: CAO, L5 Ducker of Elyvilon
12:40:11 <wheals> got sniped :(
12:40:14 <wheals> !lg * t ddtm won
12:40:15 <Sequell> 8. beanscad the Talismancer (L27 DDTm of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2015-11-12 06:51:33, with 1751053 points after 69675 turns and 5:54:28.
12:42:10 <wheals> i guess i'll just have to 15-rune so i at least get the ddtm hs
12:42:32 <ebering> ^Qyes more like it
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12:47:19 <simmarine> !hs * t ddtm
12:47:20 <Sequell> 101. smocul the Hoplite (L26 DDTm of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-11-10 17:02:52, with 3024192 points after 46363 turns and 3:15:40.
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13:39:28 <Cheibriados> 03ontoclasm02 07* 0.18-a0-81-g6138560: Edit merfolk tile colors 10(20 seconds ago, 8 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/61385605981c
13:39:59 <wheals> !learn add it _Something is infused with unholy energy, but nothing happens.
13:40:00 <Sequell> it[45/45]: _Something is infused with unholy energy, but nothing happens.
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13:41:29 <ontoclasm> hopefully they'll be easier to tell aprat now
13:41:32 <ontoclasm> apart*
13:44:47 <wheals> i'd wondered if the aquamancers were green because of the glyph
13:46:09 <ontoclasm> yeah, they were
13:46:25 <ontoclasm> but seeing them in-game it just looked messy
13:46:53 <ontoclasm> fr make aquamancers' glyph purple
13:47:14 <wheals> would actually be consistent with other casters
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13:51:17 <wheals> A deep elf annihilator, a draconian annihilator and an ancient lich come into
13:51:17 <wheals> view.
13:51:22 <wheals> !blamen 4 Grunt
13:51:22 <Sequell> GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt...
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14:27:00 <HabitualLiar> Reading through the Acquirement code. Why is the line "0; //no you can't acquire the orb." remotely necessary?
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14:28:19 <simmarine> im gonna guess it isnt
14:28:25 <simmarine> and its just a humor comment someone made
14:28:39 <simmarine> also possibly because 0 represents the orb in console
14:29:02 <wheals> it's because that line corresponds to OBJ_ORBS
14:29:09 <wheals> !source acquire.cc
14:29:09 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/acquire.cc
14:29:22 <geekosaur> "cheap plastic imitation of the Orb of Zot"
14:29:49 <wheals> _subtype_finders is mapping the OBJ_ enum to a function that acquires that kind of object
14:31:48 <HabitualLiar> so the orb of zot is it's own object class?
14:32:38 <wheals> yes, OBJ_ORBS
14:32:46 <wheals> they say in the misty past there were more orbs...
14:33:44 <geekosaur> iirc in very ancient versions the runes were orbs
14:33:46 <HabitualLiar> Like the CBoE? hahaha
14:34:12 <wheals> oddly, even when there were orbs of fixation and seeing they were OBJ_MISCELLANY
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14:38:30 <HabitualLiar> ??orb of fixation
14:38:31 <Sequell> I don't have a page labeled orb_of_fixation in my learndb.
14:38:40 <HabitualLiar> Please explain.
14:39:49 <wheals> %git eb6ba93fe7b0657e5df6ee
14:39:49 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.8.0-a0-5654-geb6ba93: Remove crystal balls of fixation 10(4 years, 8 months ago, 11 files, 20+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb6ba93fe7b0
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14:43:22 <HabitualLiar> I'm guessing the Crystal Ball of Seeing that's right below it was evocable Magic Mapping?
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14:44:36 <elliptic> HabitualLiar: basically, yes
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14:45:11 <elliptic> does anyone here understand chunk rotting code? there is apparently a weird bug that can cause chunks to stop rotting away
14:45:31 <HabitualLiar> I should get to feature patch writing. Though I guess it'd be a bit before anything I wrote got any real testing (no one's going to play experiment [or even trunk] during tourney).
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14:47:34 <elliptic> yes, we actually avoid adding new features to trunk during tourneytime
14:47:57 <HabitualLiar> If a spell is intended to be rare if it made it to stable, do I originally patch it that way or patch it into a more common book for testing purposes?
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14:48:44 <simmarine> from what i remember its rare a feature is intentionally made common for purposes of testing
14:48:55 <elliptic> I'd say put the spell in its intended location(s) in the patch
14:49:11 <elliptic> we can always tweak that if desired
14:49:41 <HabitualLiar> Level 6/7 Conjurations/Translocations. [Unsure if should be 6 or 7] And was either going to put it in Warp or Akashic.
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14:51:00 <elliptic> most people who are high enough level to cast L6/7 dual-school spells have access to most spells anyway, so making it more common wouldn't make that much difference
14:51:36 <elliptic> for a lowlevel spell making sure people actually find the spell early more often for testing is more reasonable
14:52:00 <HabitualLiar> Multi-turn spell; Initial turn direct damage, following turns -2 MP constricts target and pulls towards you (1-2 spaces). Effect ends when casting another spell or the target reaches melee range. Intended purpose; pull ranged enemies into melee range faster.
14:53:03 <HabitualLiar> And seperating one from groups; pulling things towards oklob farms, etc.
14:53:35 <|amethyst> elliptic:  re chunk rotting, my first suspicion would be that either a vault used never_decay, or delayed_decay got broken
14:53:47 <|amethyst> elliptic:  but it looks like only tutorial lesson 4 uses never_decay
14:54:10 <elliptic> I don't think it was a vault, I tried to watch the game and figure out where it started and it seemed to be very early
14:54:13 <elliptic> !lg implojin
14:54:14 <Sequell> 1309. Implojin the Farming Sensei (L27 MuMo), demolished by a reaper (a +6 vampiric scythe) (summoned by a greater mummy's death curse) on Tomb:1 (tomb_1; tomb_1_hall_stairs_grunt_patterns) on 2015-11-12 18:44:58, with 875566 points after 220008 turns and 22:41:56.
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14:54:26 <elliptic> that is the game where it happened
14:55:01 <elliptic> the player was butchering corpses and quivering chunks and throwing chunks at monsters to get their attention all game, but it doesn't seem trivial to reproduce it
14:55:48 <elliptic> !log implojin
14:55:54 <Sequell> 1309. Implojin, XL27 MuMo, T:220008: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Implojin/morgue-Implojin-20151112-184458.txt
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14:56:36 <elliptic> the total number of non-decaying chunks was at 70ish by the end of the game
14:56:57 <kvaak> uh
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14:57:01 <kvaak> why didn't he just throw stones
14:57:08 <kvaak> I mean
14:57:09 <kvaak> what
14:57:40 <elliptic> just a player being weird I think, either that or he knew that this somehow triggers the bug (but I wasn't able to reproduce it that way)
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14:58:38 <elliptic> !lg implojin -tv:<T0:x10
14:58:39 <Sequell> 1309. Implojin, XL27 MuMo, T:220008 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org.
14:58:46 <simmarine> im going to assume he knew it happens
14:58:54 <simmarine> because yes why else
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15:00:12 <|amethyst> elliptic:  oh, I can reproduce it
15:00:21 <|amethyst> elliptic:  it's not just quivering
15:00:24 <elliptic> oh, how?
15:00:25 <|amethyst> elliptic:  you have to throw it
15:00:28 <elliptic> I tried that
15:00:30 <|amethyst> hm
15:00:39 <elliptic> maybe I didn't try it in enough situations though
15:01:11 <elliptic> !nuke
15:01:12 <|amethyst> what worked for me: created corpses with &%, chopped them, quivered the chunks, fired two chunks, picked them back up, waited a long time
15:01:13 <Sequell> FooTV playlist clear requested by *.
15:01:24 <|amethyst> my stack of chunks rotted down to 2 then stayed there
15:01:43 <|amethyst> first time I tried I wasn't a mummy, so I accidentally ate the chunks
15:02:00 <|amethyst> (auto_eat_chunks is on by default now)
15:02:23 <|amethyst> not surprising in retrospect
15:02:36 <|amethyst> we have to do crap to maintain the counters whenever you split or merge a stack
15:02:43 <elliptic> |amethyst: are you sure you rested long enough?
15:03:02 <elliptic> I just tried again and it first rotted down to 2, then rotted away after that
15:03:30 <|amethyst> it's been about 6000 turns
15:03:38 <elliptic> hm, okay
15:03:43 <elliptic> I wonder why it isn't working for me
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15:24:08 <HabitualLiar> what happened to that snake god that mostly just made Poison better?
15:24:59 <elliptic> %git 5edae84
15:24:59 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.17.0-22-g5edae84: Support doll tiles for artefact helmets. 10(17 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5edae84a827d
15:25:22 <elliptic> hm, I guess I might be missing a few commits locally that are online
15:25:42 <elliptic> since my build locally is from 51eb05832 (master)
15:25:51 <elliptic> I just reproduced it in my current game online though
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15:29:09 <|amethyst> hm, nothing in between those commits should have changed anything
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15:45:12 <|amethyst> elliptic:  the thing is, there is explicit code to handle that stuff in throw_it
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16:06:55 <Lantell> Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17.0-22-g5edae84
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16:09:35 <|amethyst> elliptic:   initializing perishable stack
16:09:35 <|amethyst> newly created stack of size 1 will time out at aut 1871690
16:10:14 <elliptic> presumably an uninitialized aut
16:10:35 <elliptic> I don't understand the code well enough to figure out why it isn't being initialized though
16:12:49 <|amethyst> elliptic:  1871690 is max_age = age (the parameter) + you.elapsed_time
16:12:55 <|amethyst> elliptic:  oh
16:13:18 <|amethyst> .echo $(/ 1871690 20)
16:13:18 <Sequell> 93584
16:13:29 <|amethyst> I think I know why it worked for you
16:13:37 <|amethyst> err, why it rotted for you
16:13:50 <|amethyst> because you had a brand new game
16:14:21 <|amethyst> while I loaded an old wizmode save that was already tens of thousands of turns in
16:14:25 <elliptic> ah
16:14:38 <elliptic> so is it basically adding you.elapsed_time twice
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16:16:20 <evilmike> i have an idea for a sprint map, maybe bad idea, dunno yet
16:16:29 <evilmike> you start in a largeish room, there are locked doors all along the sides. in the middle(?) there is an alarm trap, step on it and one door unlocks, with tons of monsters and a rune + shops(?) at the back
16:16:53 <evilmike> next time you step on the alarm, 2 doors unlock. then 3.
16:17:46 <evilmike> and i think the very final time, whenever that is, it would just destroy the walls entirely and you'd get attacked from every direction
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16:32:30 <wheals> Yoink! You pull the item towards yourself.
16:32:30 <wheals> The silver rune of Zot is a mimic!
16:32:44 <wheals> !blame3n 2 PleasingFungus
16:32:44 <Sequell> PleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiingFuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus
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16:42:39 <wheals> i wish there were a way to search for things marked for autopickup
16:43:38 <|amethyst> I wish stash search supported the menu prefixes
16:43:47 <|amethyst> so you could ctrl-f unidentified
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16:51:12 <wheals> wow
16:51:13 <Lightli> ??evilmike
16:51:13 <Sequell> evilmike[1/4]: !lm evilmike noun=cerebov 2 -tv
16:51:18 <wheals> i entered abyss:4 inside a rune vault
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16:51:53 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-82-gaf82852: Don't extend lifetimes of thrown chunks (implojin, elliptic) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/af8285278095
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16:52:36 <|amethyst> elliptic: I've got to go, would you mind cherry-picking that (maybe test it a bit more---it worked for me, but of course won't do anything about existing superfresh chunks)
16:52:49 <elliptic> |amethyst: sure
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16:59:05 <wheals> what
16:59:09 <wheals> mennas is in pan now?
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17:01:14 <elliptic> !lm * uniq=mennas pan s=cv
17:01:15 <Sequell> 1348 milestones for * (uniq=mennas pan): 602x 0.17-a, 344x 0.16-a, 306x 0.16, 67x 0.17, 29x 0.18-a
17:01:22 <elliptic> apparently was in 0.16 too
17:01:25 <wheals> cool
17:03:42 <wheals> ah, the panlord Kumi Zoa
17:03:49 <wheals> not to be confused with his brother Proto
17:06:22 <Cheibriados> 03|amethyst02 {elliptic} 07[stone_soup-0.17] * 0.17.0-23-g0de4337: Don't extend lifetimes of thrown chunks (implojin, elliptic) 10(21 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0de433742b82
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17:11:28 <wheals> !vault evilmike_holy_pan
17:11:28 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/pan.des#l3666
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17:16:33 <Cheibriados> Misleading portal distance announcement when entering a level 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10072 by ldf
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17:19:11 <wheals> Grunt: wonder if i got your cerebov
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17:20:36 <wheals> i think this might be your old one
17:20:47 <wheals> it reminds me of the time cerebov killed me, at least
17:22:08 <wheals> oh, i probably have to go to the island to get the rune
17:22:46 <wheals> hm, this is evilmike's actually!
17:22:58 <wheals> two evilmike pan runes in a row
17:24:31 <wheals> &   Cerebov
17:24:31 <wheals> &&  2 Cerebov
17:24:46 <wheals> oh, he can abjure!!
17:24:49 <wheals> the plot thickens
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17:25:22 <amalloy> because he has Fire Summon or something, right?
17:25:25 <amalloy> @??cerebov
17:25:25 <Gretell> Cerebov (05&) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 650 | AC/EV: 30/8 | Dam: 60 | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 13magic(immune), 05hellfire, 04fire+++, 03poison, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 22535 | Sp: fire storm (8d16 / 8d17) [06!sil], iron shot (3d36) [06!sil], haste [06!sil], sum.greater demon [06!sil] | Sz: Giant | Int: huma..
17:25:31 <amalloy> SGD i guess
17:25:32 <wheals> just sgd
17:25:45 <amalloy> is asmo the only monster with fire summon?
17:25:53 <wheals> yep
17:26:22 <wheals> You hammer Cerebov like a gong!!! Cerebov convulses!!!
17:26:22 <Sequell> PTOANNNG!
17:26:29 <wheals> that's what i'm talking about Sequell
17:28:01 <amalloy> Cerebov is lightly wounded.
17:28:42 <wheals> &   Liffoasch
17:28:46 <wheals> read that as "Life coach"
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17:42:00 <wheals> haha, entered lom's realm precisely 8 squares above him in a big open space
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17:46:47 <wheals> gammafunk: you around?
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17:50:56 <wheals> hyperbolic: i assume geryon doesn't count for angel of justice ii
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18:07:05 <Lantell> Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.18-a0-82-gaf82852 (34)
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18:14:00 <wheals> <ontoclasm> could gham be the power class of 0.17 as well???
18:14:01 <wheals> !nchoice
18:14:05 <Sequell> GhAM: 0 wins || Sharkman1231: CBRO, L15 Brawler of Okawaru
18:14:11 <wheals> prophetic words :P
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18:15:01 <ontoclasm> !!!
18:15:13 <ontoclasm> i found another vault with permaglass
18:15:59 <wheals> the bailey entrance?
18:16:11 <wheals> i think that one is supposed to, so you can never get the weapons
18:16:33 <simmarine> i got one of those weapons
18:16:36 <simmarine> it was some randart polearm
18:16:52 <simmarine> iirc it wasnt worth the effort, i think i had to learn lrd and get spellpower from !brilliance or something silly
18:17:04 <chequers> ontoclasm: is that you on c-r-d?
18:17:09 <amalloy> permaglass: transparent stone?
18:17:15 <simmarine> speaking of vaults and permaglass, i had the volcano earlier where entrances slowly close off one by one
18:17:22 <simmarine> but i had lrd so i accessed every vault anyway
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18:27:58 <gammafunk> Lasty_: It went very well. I fooled around too much in lair taking on two yaks packs + two komodos at the same time, and one of the komodos got me at the end
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18:28:39 <gammafunk> Lasty_: but that was the first musu I played, and it killed a yaktaur captain, centaur warrior, boulder beetle and other stuff from an ood vault on D:9, and made it to lair :)
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18:30:02 <gammafunk> definitely the earliest I've ever killed a yaktaur captain
18:30:14 <gammafunk> possible the earliest I've killed a centaur warrior, but I'm not so sure about that
18:30:32 <Lasty> gammafunk: nice run!
18:30:32 <Sequell> Lasty: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it.
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18:35:10 <Lasty> gammafunk: early yak captain is pretty nasty -- pretty nice kill
18:35:27 <wheals> !hs * ddtm t
18:35:28 <Sequell> 101. smocul the Hoplite (L26 DDTm of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 4 runes on 2015-11-10 17:02:52, with 3024192 points after 46363 turns and 3:15:40.
18:35:32 <wheals> !lm . x=urune
18:35:32 <Sequell> 15740. [2015-11-12 22:46:37] [urune=10] wheals the Slayer (L27 DDTm of Makhleb) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1)
18:35:39 <wheals> !lm . x=turns
18:35:40 <Sequell> 15740. [2015-11-12 22:46:37] [turn=68990] wheals the Slayer (L27 DDTm of Makhleb) escaped from the Abyss! (Abyss:1)
18:35:51 <wheals> gammafunk:if i go win, do you think i'll beat that guy's score?
18:36:58 <chequers> ??score
18:36:58 <Sequell> score[1/4]: modified XP + runes * (runes + 12) * 1000. For winners, add 254000 + 2000 * runes + 6250000000 * runes^2/turns.
18:37:22 <wheals> !score
18:37:23 <Sequell> Subcommand $(!lg * won recent urune= turns> min=turns x=score fmt:"${x[0]}") failed: '' is not an integer in 'urune=' in $(/ $(!lg * won recent urune... in $(int $(/ $(!lg * won recent... in $(* 100000 $(int $(/ $(!lg *...
18:37:29 <wheals> !cmd !score
18:37:29 <Sequell> Command: !score => .echo Approx score for $1 runes in $2 turns: $(* 100000 (int (/ $(!lg * won recent urune=$1 turns>$2 min=turns x=score fmt:"${x[0]}") 100000)))
18:37:43 <wheals> !score 10 71000
18:37:44 <Sequell> Approx score for 10 runes in 71000 turns: 10000000
18:38:07 <chequers> !score !score 10 90000
18:38:08 <Sequell> Subcommand $(!lg * won recent urune=!score turns>10 min=turns x=score fmt:"${x[0]}") failed: '!score' is not an integer in 'urune=!score' in $(/ $(!lg * won recent urune... in $(int $(/ $(!lg * won recent... in $(* 100000 $(int $(/ $(!lg *...
18:38:12 <chequers> !score 10 90000
18:38:13 <Sequell> Approx score for 10 runes in 90000 turns: 7900000
18:38:18 <chequers> you'll crush it
18:38:33 <wheals> sweet
18:38:39 <chequers> !score 10 120000
18:38:40 <Sequell> Approx score for 10 runes in 120000 turns: 6500000
18:38:42 <wheals> too bad it won't get the extra tourney points, though
18:38:44 <chequers> you can't not
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18:38:59 <wheals> chequers: well, i could lose... :P
18:39:25 <wheals> !help !score
18:39:25 <Sequell> !score: Usage: !score <runes> <turns>
18:39:34 <gammafunk> &dump wheals
18:39:35 <Sequell> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/wheals/wheals.txt
18:40:08 <wheals> diesel dwarf transmuter
18:40:21 <Lasty> !dieselratio lasty
18:40:24 <Sequell> lasty has been diesel 6 out of 121 wins: 4%
18:40:37 <wheals> !dieselratio
18:40:40 <Sequell> wheals has been diesel 4 out of 23 wins: 17%
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18:41:03 <gammafunk> wheals: nice necromancy
18:41:42 <Lasty> God help me, I'm about to play a felid
18:41:44 <wheals> i wanted 1% agony in plate :<
18:41:47 <Lasty> for my tourney team
18:41:59 <gammafunk> well that guy shouldn't have any difficulty getting as many runes as it wants
18:42:06 <wheals> or maybe i was toying with getting borg
18:42:07 <gammafunk> just need a better brand for our mace
18:42:18 <wheals> gammafunk: i - a +8 dire flail of holy wrath
18:42:18 <gammafunk> you could get necromute for rtorm
18:42:23 <gammafunk> ah yeah then you're set
18:42:38 <wheals> i already got pan, i just feel too lazy for hell and tomb
18:42:42 <wheals> i guess there's no rush
18:42:46 <gammafunk> oh you already have 10
18:44:11 <wheals> my favorite moment:  66247 | Pan      | HP: 3/282 [Cerebov/iron shot (72)]
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18:51:18 <gammafunk> geeze, wheals
18:51:28 <gammafunk> !lm .
18:51:28 <Sequell> 17120. [2015-11-12 03:49:37] gammafunk the Caller (L1 MuSu) began the quest for the Orb on turn 0. (D:1)
18:51:44 <gammafunk> that's no 3 I think, found a Grand Grimoire already
18:51:53 <gammafunk> so I'll try not to kill it
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18:54:29 <gammafunk> if I'd remembered that the lair one would be firstandwon I'd have not messed around
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18:55:28 <wheals> should have used more ice beasts
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18:55:46 <wheals> !lg dof su killer=komodo_dragon s=name
18:55:46 <Sequell> 2 games for dof (su killer=komodo_dragon): wheals, gammafunk
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18:58:05 <Grunt> the most fearsome of dragons
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18:58:30 <chequers> !lg * t killer~~dragon s=killer
18:58:30 <wheals> !send Grunt komodo dragon armour
18:58:30 <Sequell> Sending komodo dragon armour to Grunt.
18:58:31 <Sequell> 321 games for * (t killer~~dragon): 120x a komodo dragon, 48x a steam dragon, 42x an ice dragon, 31x a fire dragon, 15x a mottled dragon, 13x a bone dragon, 10x a storm dragon, 7x a quicksilver dragon, 6x dragonlass's ghost, 6x a shadow dragon, 4x an iron dragon, 4x a golden dragon, 4x a swamp dragon, Natasha the steam dragon, a shadow dragon skeleton, a quicksilver dragon (shapeshifter), a fire d...
18:58:35 <chequers> indeed
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18:58:51 <wheals> even more dangerous than natasha the steam dragon
18:58:54 <gammafunk> @??komodo_dragon
18:58:54 <Gretell> komodo dragon (04l) | Spd: 10 (swim: 60%) | HD: 8 | HP: 36-57 | AC/EV: 7/8 | Dam: 34 | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(40), 12drown | XP: 363 | Sz: Large | Int: animal.
18:58:57 <chequers> dang. natasha the steam dragon. and I wondered why I didn't poly things
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19:08:03 <kvaak> 13/11 02:04:56 < G-Flex> The +8 glaive "Q" {holy, rC+ rN+ MR+}.
19:08:11 <kvaak> shouldn't this be called plog or something
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19:08:30 <Grunt> Q is a predefined name
19:08:30 <G-Flex> I like it :p
19:08:30 <Grunt> so is X
19:08:30 <G-Flex> ah
19:09:11 <chequers> i hope james bond uses that in skyfall
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19:26:39 <gammafunk> !lm . god.maxpiety
19:26:40 <Sequell> 431. [2015-11-12 03:44:40] gammafunk the Summoner (L11 MuSu of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 15847. (Lair:1)
19:26:52 <gammafunk> !lm . god.maxpiety -log
19:26:53 <Sequell> gammafunk, XL11 MuSu, T:15936: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/gammafunk/morgue-gammafunk-20151112-034606.txt
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19:39:36 <chequers> !lm * recent god.maxpiety sif min=turns
19:39:38 <Sequell> 5219. [2015-09-10 04:16:19] tlatlagkaus the Geomancer (L9 DEEE of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 1931. (D:8)
19:39:49 <chequers> !lm * recent god.maxpiety sif min=turns -log
19:39:51 <Sequell> tlatlagkaus, XL15 DEEE, T:9819: http://webzook.net:82/morgue/trunk/tlatlagkaus/morgue-tlatlagkaus-20150910-055440.txt
19:39:59 <chequers> !lm * recent god.maxpiety min=turns -log
19:40:01 <Sequell> crawlian, XL14 MfIE, T:11478: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/crawlian/morgue-crawlian-20150816-182902.txt
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19:41:15 <chequers> ??listgames
19:41:16 <Sequell> listgames ~ listgame[1/5]: !lg command displays info about past games. The manual is available here: https://github.com/crawl/sequell/blob/master/docs/listgame.md
19:43:11 <gammafunk> max piety at 2k is pretty nut
19:43:12 <gammafunk> s
19:43:30 <gammafunk> !lm . sif god.maxpiety min=turns
19:43:31 <Sequell> 340. [2015-08-23 01:54:57] gammafunk the Summoner (L10 DESu of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 3327. (Lair:5)
19:43:47 <ontoclasm> gammafunk: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/permaglass.png
19:43:48 <gammafunk> !lm . sif god.maxpiety min=turns x=lg:br
19:43:49 <Sequell> 340. [2015-08-23 01:54:57] [br=Lair] gammafunk the Summoner (L10 DESu of Sif Muna) became the Champion of Sif Muna on turn 3327. (Lair:5)
19:43:53 <ontoclasm> some bailey vault
19:43:54 <gammafunk> oh, wasn't my pb
19:44:10 <gammafunk> ontoclasm: nice
19:44:16 <gammafunk> yeah I recognize that vault
19:44:18 <gammafunk> so let me fix that
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19:44:46 <ontoclasm> debugging via tiles
19:44:48 <gammafunk> if these tiles do nothing else, they're helping us fix buggy vaults :)
19:44:54 <gammafunk> yeah that can simply be stone
19:45:04 <gammafunk> no need to make those weapons forever innacessible
19:45:11 <ontoclasm> i know there's a bailey that has -really- powerful stuff behind permaglass
19:45:16 <ontoclasm> which seems okay
19:45:25 <gammafunk> well I think not actually
19:45:39 <ontoclasm> oh, was it removed or something
19:45:48 <gammafunk> I mean that it doesn't seem ok to me
19:45:53 <ontoclasm> oh
19:45:56 <gammafunk> if the odd EE happens to have lrd castable can just reap the rewards
19:46:00 <gammafunk> or the contents can be toned down
19:46:03 <amalloy> i've never seen that bailey
19:46:03 <ontoclasm> well, i dunno which one it is
19:46:15 <gammafunk> I know which you probably mean
19:46:18 <gammafunk> right at start?
19:46:25 <ontoclasm> yeah
19:46:26 <gammafunk> didn't realize it used permaglass
19:46:29 <ontoclasm> like exec axes or such
19:46:46 <ontoclasm> i think it's permaglass, it might just be stoneglass
19:46:46 <wheals> bailey_axe_1
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19:47:02 <wheals> it's n, which is stone glass
19:47:04 <wheals> which is bad, yeah
19:47:14 <gammafunk> ...unobtainable
19:47:29 <gammafunk> what does that do
19:47:41 <amalloy> !vault bailey_axe_1
19:47:41 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/bailey.des#l388
19:47:49 <wheals> i also think it's bad to give out free bardiches at bailey depth if you have lrd...
19:47:58 <wheals> gammafunk: removes it from the stash tracker, i think
19:48:02 <gammafunk> heh
19:48:16 <amalloy> well remember LRD needs ###### to blow up stone. i'm not saying it's a good vault, but you need more than just LRD, you need decent spellpower
19:48:25 <gammafunk> well if that's the case, just don't put bardiches in there
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19:48:29 <wheals> also doesn't count it as seen for acq purposes
19:48:46 <gammafunk> I don't know why we even need permaglass tbh
19:49:00 <gammafunk> Is there a legitimate use for it?
19:49:37 <gammafunk> I know there are some cute altar vault tricks where it can maybe make more sense, but I'm not sure I can think of when it's a good idea to use it
19:49:43 <amalloy> gammafunk: there's an ossuary that uses some permaglass too
19:49:57 <amalloy> to warn you of monsters that will be coming up or something
19:50:18 <ontoclasm> i doubt it matters much that high-level earth mages can get into some joke vaults
19:50:43 <ontoclasm> though i don't know if DTEMs ever got changed to only break rock
19:50:50 <ontoclasm> (if not they should)
19:50:54 <wheals> it would be nice if there were a way to grep for it :(
19:51:03 <amalloy> !vault ossuary_due_mausoleum
19:51:03 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/ossuary.des#l797
19:52:23 <gammafunk> yeah that ossuary definitely doesn't need permaglass
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19:52:50 <CanOfWorms> nice
19:52:53 <CanOfWorms> just frenzied mara
19:52:54 <gammafunk> especially considering that the rest of the wall around the glass is stone
19:53:09 <wheals> i guess another thing was vitrification turning walls destructible, but we could just make it not affect permawall
19:53:25 <gammafunk> that certainly seems reasonable
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19:55:27 <gammafunk> wheals: yeah, the acquirement thing is a good point
19:55:47 <gammafunk> I guess it's fine to mark things behind stone unobtainable to that end
19:55:54 <gammafunk> even though they technically are
19:55:58 <gammafunk> perhaps the tag could be renamed
19:56:13 <wheals> or just not have such vaults :P
19:56:42 <gammafunk> wheals: I guess so; we certainly allow it for monsters
19:56:48 <gammafunk> e.g. the starting vaults
19:56:58 <gammafunk> but monsters != items
19:57:05 <gammafunk> 1learn add pro_tips
19:57:05 <wheals> kind of discouraged, though
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19:57:24 <gammafunk> I don't think it's discouraged in the case of entry vaults really
19:57:41 <gammafunk> just that thematically it's easy to go overboard
19:58:33 <gammafunk> Or I guess it's more "does your vault really have a strong thematic need for trapped monsters?"
19:59:11 <gammafunk> I think for those entry vaults the answer is yes, also that one makleb altar vault is cool
19:59:14 <chequers> ouiblette!
19:59:34 * gammafunk throws chequers into the Ouibliette.
19:59:50 <gammafunk> %git oubliette
19:59:50 <Cheibriados> 07dpeg02 * 0.17-a0-2206-g5b4bac4: Randomisation of first wave of enemies. 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 28+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5b4bac408d64
19:59:57 <gammafunk> right, *oubliette
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20:00:20 <wheals> oui
20:00:24 <gammafunk> but if someone claims "Australian spelling" I'm not going to contest it
20:01:58 <gammafunk> ontoclasm: the tile does look nice all the same. I'm not sure what valid uses of clear permarock will remain if we do "permarock reform" in 0.18
20:02:29 <gammafunk> Don't think we'll quite get to using it only for level borders, at least not right away
20:03:19 <wheals> clear level boundaries?!?
20:03:37 <wheals> you can see from one game into the game above yours in the lobby
20:03:47 <gammafunk> !banish wheals
20:03:47 <Sequell> gammafunk casts a spell. wheals is cast into the Abyss!
20:03:53 <gammafunk> see? I'm powerful enough to do that
20:04:01 * wheals grumbles
20:04:18 <Grunt> fun fact: I based gw's 0.17 changes on 0.15, not 0.16
20:04:29 <Grunt> which explains why gw was performing so poorly
20:04:33 <Grunt> gw now has all of the functionality I added for 0.16 again...
20:04:50 <ontoclasm> Grunt: how long until gw becomes sentient
20:04:54 <wheals> tourney page fr: have the rank of the clan/player somewhere on the screen
20:05:00 <Grunt> maybe gw is already sentient......
20:05:04 <ontoclasm> !!!
20:05:06 <gammafunk> !hs gw
20:05:06 <Sequell> 8131. gw the Executioner (L19 DDGl of Yredelemnul), slain by an ice dragon on Depths:1 on 2015-03-21 23:18:05, with 283392 points after 41524 turns and 1:33:57.
20:05:15 <Grunt> !hs gw t
20:05:16 <Sequell> 2433. gw the Cruncher (L13 MiGl of Cheibriados), slain by Josephine (a +0 dagger) on Lair:7 on 2015-11-11 08:50:55, with 43205 points after 29695 turns and 1:28:28.
20:05:20 <Grunt> !hs gw t0.16
20:05:21 <Sequell> 3237. gw the Executioner (L19 DDGl of Yredelemnul), slain by an ice dragon on Depths:1 on 2015-03-21 23:18:05, with 283392 points after 41524 turns and 1:33:57.
20:05:53 <wheals> gw is getting dumber...
20:06:04 <ontoclasm> gammafunk: i'd be fine if the permaglass tile went away
20:06:12 <ontoclasm> it's... not amazing
20:06:40 <ontoclasm> i like the way permarock came out but the glass version is unappealing
20:07:03 <wheals> it does look a little placeholder-y
20:07:05 <gammafunk> turn them into unkillable monsters
20:07:12 <gammafunk> permajellies
20:07:29 <ontoclasm> replace with diamond obelisks
20:09:09 <wheals> https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikedev/comments/3slu9c/ -- i really do not want to try to puzzle out mon-{act,behv,movetarget,pathfind}.cc work
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20:11:38 <ontoclasm> ??earth elemental
20:11:39 <Sequell> earth elemental[1/1]: Slow but heavy-hitting monster created by the {stone of tremors}. Not all that tough, but immune to elemental magic and hexes.
20:11:47 <ontoclasm> @??earth elemental
20:11:47 <Gretell> earth elemental (07E) | Spd: 6 | HD: 6 | HP: 36-55 | AC/EV: 14/4 | Dam: 40 | 11non-living, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 12cold+++, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 84 | Sz: Big | Int: brainless.
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21:19:48 <habitualliar> Is stepping into water (melding your boots) supposed to stop autoexplore as a Merfolk? ...it's annoying.
21:20:02 <amalloy> so add it to your runrest_ignore messages
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21:20:21 <amalloy> or whatever that setting is called
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21:23:27 <|amethyst> melding boots shouldn't stop autoexplore
21:23:38 <|amethyst> unless it puts you into stat zero or something
21:23:55 <|amethyst> at least, with the default config
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21:27:33 <habitualliar> Well...it i
21:27:53 <habitualliar> Takes me from Dex 29 to Dex 25; but that's...lol
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21:38:47 <chequers> dcss mentioned here https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/3sjfwa/morality_in_roguelikes_essay_posting_it_again/
21:38:56 <chequers> really unique take on wights
21:39:18 <chequers> maybe they shouldn't be vulnerable to holy, poor things
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21:48:51 <evilmike> chequers: i've always felt the player is really the bad guy. think of what you're doing. the orb is horribly cursed - the thing basically just summons demons and makes life hell.
21:49:10 <Grunt> as I always say, the player is the real monster
21:49:12 <evilmike> the dungeon was built to keep people away from it. the whole population is united in preventing you from releasing it
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21:49:26 <chequers> yep I think that's the more accurate read of the 'lore'
21:49:31 <Grunt> no matter how much PleasingFungus tries to deny it
21:49:36 <Grunt> %git HEAD^{/the real monster}
21:49:36 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3536-g164200f: The player is not the real monster 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/164200f449be
21:49:37 <chequers> although, it doesn't really explain runes
21:49:40 <Grunt> %git HEAD^{/the real monster}^^{/the real monster}
21:49:41 <Cheibriados> 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-2653-gf29606e: The player is not the real monster (Grunt) 10(12 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f29606e10798
21:49:47 <evilmike> oh it explains the runes
21:50:00 <chequers> I guess the Wizard of Zot split up the Zot key and threw the pieces all over the universe?
21:50:02 <evilmike> the orb is locked away by the runes, which are guarded by various species (nagas etc)
21:50:02 <Grunt> chequers: "you must get this much of the dungeon population together to try to release the thing"
21:50:17 <Grunt> not "The Wizard of Zot"
21:50:18 <chequers> ok, those two work
21:50:21 <Grunt> the gnomic archmage Zot
21:50:25 <chequers> uh huh
21:50:26 <Grunt> ??the wizard's castle
21:50:26 <Sequell> THE WIZARD'S CASTLE[1/5]: MANY CYCLES AGO, IN THE KINGDOM OF N'DIC, THE GNOMIC WIZARD ZOT FORGED HIS GREAT *ORB OF POWER*. HE SOON VANISHED, LEAVING BEHIND HIS VAST SUBTERRANEAN CASTLE FILLED WITH ESURIENT MONSTERS, FABULOUS TREASURES, AND THE INCREDIBLE *ORB OF ZOT*.
21:50:28 <evilmike> except, its so dangerous that it needs multiple runes to open, and no two are found in one spot
21:50:38 <chequers> is that text from an earlier version
21:50:42 <evilmike> even the denizens of hell are pitching in
21:50:49 <Grunt> it's an entirely different game <.<
21:51:00 <chequers> swamp denizens aren't doing their job
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21:51:23 <chequers> "ok yeah, lets surround this rune with, uh... how about some crocodiles and wisps"
21:51:33 <Grunt> hydras
21:51:35 <Grunt> thorn hunters
21:51:37 <Grunt> ghost crabs
21:51:39 <chequers> dont ruin the joke
21:51:48 <Grunt> granted two of those three came later
21:51:50 <Grunt> so
21:52:07 <chequers> mangroves are old right
21:52:15 <|amethyst> no
21:52:24 <wheals> not very
21:52:43 <|amethyst> %git Treant
21:52:43 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit Treant (git returned 128)
21:52:46 <|amethyst> %git :/Treant
21:52:46 <Cheibriados> 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-2163-g82ffb2b: Treants -> Shambling Mangroves 10(1 year, 10 months ago, 8 files, 15+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/82ffb2bf210d
21:52:53 <chequers> %git ...skipping...
21:52:53 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit ...skipping... (git returned 128)
21:52:54 <|amethyst> %git :/New monster: Treant
21:52:54 <Cheibriados> 07DracoOmega02 * 0.13-a0-1822-g990aba0: New monster: Treant 10(2 years, 5 months ago, 6 files, 75+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/990aba02076b
21:53:01 <chequers> yeah heh
21:53:07 <chequers> i copied the wrong end of my terminal
21:53:30 <doy> old swamp was basically swamp worms, wisps, hydras, and swamp drakes/dragons
21:53:37 <doy> it was not a very interesting branch
21:53:57 <Grunt> vapours
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21:54:04 <Grunt> old annoying insects
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21:54:14 <|amethyst> baby alligators
21:54:14 <wheals> vapours didn't really exist
21:54:16 <doy> vapours were pretty rare though
21:54:22 <Grunt> bad layouts (swamp_old_school gives a very good idea of what they were like)
21:54:28 <wheals> alligators were ~0.7
21:54:29 <chequers> swamp and shoals are both sort of poorly thematic compared to other rune branches, I think. I guess water theme is good for dungeon though
21:54:32 <|amethyst> ah
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21:54:38 <evilmike> yeah it was a giant room filled with water, x5
21:54:51 <|amethyst> chequers:  IMO shoals has a good theme
21:54:52 <wheals> %git :/Alligator
21:54:52 <Cheibriados> 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-935-g2366863: Remove baby alligators 10(6 months ago, 20 files, 15+ 79-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/23668633fad2
21:54:57 <evilmike> i think the two feel pretty different, and its ok if they dont both spawn in the same game
21:55:00 <|amethyst> chequers:  mythical greece, except with tails
21:55:00 <wheals> %git --author=due :/Alligator
21:55:00 <Cheibriados> Could not find commit --author=due :/Alligator (git returned 129)
21:55:04 <doy> yeah, i like shoals
21:55:12 <chequers> |amethyst: more like Merfolktopia
21:55:23 <chequers> +a satyr band on shoals:3 in the corner
21:55:33 <wheals> the impalers even have the greek helmets now
21:56:00 <chequers> the lerny swamp ending is great. I wonder if you could put lerny into every swamp ending or if that's just copying slime's thing
21:56:09 <Grunt> chequers: that's swamp_old_school
21:56:15 <Grunt> chequers: also Lerny has a chance to show up in almost every ending
21:56:29 <Grunt> (I think just not _fiery, _ice, and whatever the miasma ending is called)
21:56:42 <chequers> why don't you like that ending?
21:56:53 <Grunt> chequers: I didn't say it was a bad ending :)
21:56:59 <doy> it's not very interesting
21:57:10 <evilmike> chequers: the ending is good. but the old layout for swamp in general was not :P
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21:57:29 <Grunt> swamp_old_school is based on the old old swamp layout
21:57:33 <Grunt> the 4.0b26-ish swamp layout
21:57:38 <chequers> gotcha
21:57:49 <Grunt> it may work adequately for an end vault but not for an entire floor
21:57:58 <Grunt> iirc I ported the old old swamp layout to the nostalgia branch
21:58:01 <Grunt> it's p terrible
21:58:13 <chequers> well, there's that big lake lair:8 ending which is similar
21:58:19 <chequers> (and similarly brutal)
21:58:24 <Grunt> the frog pond
21:59:08 <evilmike> does the one in nostalgia have those weird corridors that sometimes go around the level?
21:59:12 <doy> oh, the boring one i'm thinking of is just called "swamp"
21:59:24 <Grunt> yeah, "swamp" is the original swamp ending
21:59:36 <doy> yeah
21:59:41 <evilmike> one of the oldschool swamps had this thing where the borders were rock, and you'd get corridors in them sometimes. the rest of the levle was random water and rock
21:59:41 <Grunt> and then there is swamp_alternative which is not significantly different
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22:00:22 * gammafunk gestures. Wisps of shadows whirl around gammafunk. The spiny frog hits Grunt!!! (x4)
22:00:41 * Grunt seems unharmed.
22:00:43 <Grunt> !tornado gammafunk
22:00:44 <Sequell> Grunt casts a spell. A great vortex of air appears and lifts Grunt up! gammafunk is engulfed in raging winds.
22:00:54 <Grunt> !glaciate gammafunk
22:00:54 <Sequell> Grunt casts a spell at gammafunk. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs gammafunk!
22:00:57 <Grunt> !cbl gammafunk
22:00:58 <Grunt> <.<
22:01:03 <gammafunk> !silence Grunt
22:01:04 <Sequell> gammafunk casts a spell. A profound silence engulfs Grunt.
22:01:10 <chequers> I like the decaying house vaults
22:01:16 * Grunt gestures. Grunt blinks!
22:01:36 <evilmike> !singularity grunt
22:01:36 <Sequell> evilmike gestures wildly while chanting. Space collapses on itself with a satisfying crunch. The singularity violently warps grunt!
22:01:41 <evilmike> bug
22:01:43 <Grunt> !shatter evilmike
22:01:43 <Sequell> Grunt mumbles some strange words. ##crawl-dev rumbles around Grunt! evilmike shudders from the earth-shattering force.
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22:02:59 * gammafunk turns into a 27-headed hydra. gammafunk gouges Grunt!!! gammafunk devours Grunt. gammafunk feels better.
22:03:02 <evilmike> did shatter ever get a visual effect?
22:03:31 <gammafunk> Yeah, doy added an animation
22:03:37 <gammafunk> but it's disabled in tiles still I think
22:03:39 <doy> shatter was the first thing to get a visual effect
22:04:09 * Grunt reappears nearby! Grunt mauls gammafunk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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22:04:49 <chequers> why do some temple vaults have different weights?
22:05:21 <Grunt> to adjust their rarity?
22:05:23 <Grunt> <.<
22:05:23 <doy> same reason some of any vaults have different weights
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22:05:56 <chequers> i guess I assumed there would be no difference for temples
22:06:02 <doy> why not?
22:06:12 <chequers> well, what makes a temple vault have a higher or lower weight?
22:06:24 <chequers> is it just personal desire of the creator?
22:06:26 <Grunt> gimmickness?
22:07:13 <gammafunk> You go down the stairs. Welcome to the Ecumenical Temple! Your temple evaporates and reforms into a gimmick!
22:07:28 <doy> vaults with different weights means that it's still possible for players to see new vaults even after they've been playing for a while
22:07:55 <gammafunk> I don't actually know if there's any intersection with those weights and the number of altars
22:08:00 <gammafunk> that's all chosen at game start, no?
22:08:08 <doy> yeah, altars are all chosen at game start
22:08:12 <doy> so it's ~all flavor
22:08:18 <gammafunk> and so is the number of altars in temple?
22:08:21 <evilmike> the original reason for some vaults having lower weights is because there used to be a fairly small pool of vaults. giving some a lower chance of appearing made them rare, and thats interesting
22:08:37 <doy> the temple vault is chosen first, and then the remaining altars are distributed among d:2-7
22:08:56 <wheals> elliptic: gammafunk: i don't know whether this works but i'd like the feature http://sprunge.us/NGFP
22:08:56 <chequers> ok, that makes sense
22:08:56 <gammafunk> ah, ok
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22:09:19 <doy> this is pretty apparent when some of the weirder temple vaults are chosen
22:09:23 <doy> like the corrupted one or whatever
22:09:31 <doy> because the rest of the early dungeon has like tons of altars
22:09:33 <doy> (:
22:09:35 <gammafunk> doy: so does the weighting of the temple vault then influence how many altars you're likely to get in temple?
22:09:48 <doy> gammafunk: what do you mean?
22:10:03 <gammafunk> Well circular_temple_12 has weight 40
22:10:43 <gammafunk> so is the chance of getting 12+ altars in temple just the chance of picking a temple altar with 12+ temples?
22:10:51 <gammafunk> based on the weights of the individual vaults?
22:10:51 <doy> i'm not super familiar with the specifics, but probably?
22:10:53 <evilmike> isnt that one of the things chosen at game start?
22:11:02 <Grunt> the temple vault is one of the first things picked
22:11:03 <gammafunk> evilmike: yeah, I kind of thought it was
22:11:33 <doy> i'm not sure if it picks the vault first or the number of altars in the vault first
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22:11:43 <Grunt> the former, I'm fairly sure
22:11:47 <doy> yeah, the former makes more sense
22:12:00 <gammafunk> yeah, so the weight of those vaults does dicate your chance for N altars in temple
22:12:06 <doy> probably
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22:12:23 <doy> we have enough temple vaults at this point that i can't imagine it's super relevant though
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22:12:56 <gammafunk> no it's pretty relevant for speedruns only, I guess that and just the chance of finding better gods earlier
22:13:15 <Grunt> I think I just watched Robin throw Ijyb at gw
22:13:19 <gammafunk> nice
22:13:31 <gammafunk> still only one ijyb toss kill I think
22:13:32 <Grunt> !lg * ckiller=robin ckaux=ijyb
22:13:33 <Sequell> 1. LiLin the Magician (L3 MuWz), hit from afar by Robin (Ijyb) on D:4 on 2015-02-14 03:02:15, with 32 points after 1346 turns and 0:03:25.
22:13:58 <gammafunk> fr: ijyb can fire his wand while in the air when getting tossed by robin
22:13:59 <chequers> i wonder what the distribution of temple size is
22:14:01 <Grunt> I had to work really hard to get that to work :)
22:14:06 <Grunt> (the vmsg)
22:14:08 <chequers> 360 noscope ijyb
22:14:30 <wheals> gammafunk: sounds like a splash page to me
22:14:35 <gammafunk> wheals: indeed
22:14:42 <wheals> maybe she can be throwing him over a shark
22:14:45 <gammafunk> and it just occurred to me that I need to add wands of death to cyc
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22:15:05 <Grunt> !death cyc
22:15:05 <Sequell> Death has come for cyc...
22:15:14 <Grunt> I hope we are going to rebase cyc for 1 April
22:15:23 <gammafunk> me too, but we need to add more!
22:15:46 <chequers> ??implemented bad ideas
22:15:46 <Sequell> implemented bad ideas[1/27]: 714. When you hit an ogre with a long blade, instead of opening it like a pillowcase, you dice the ogre like an onion!!!
22:15:51 <chequers> oops
22:15:52 <chequers> ??bad ideas
22:15:52 <Sequell> bad ideas[1/2]: Given a new home at http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Bad_Ideas
22:15:54 <chequers> ^
22:16:49 <chequers> what's the simplest way to test a temple vault? PLACE: D:2?
22:16:52 <wheals> april fool's: !learn mv bad_ideas implemented_bad_ideas
22:17:31 <Grunt> chequers: WEIGHT: 99999999999
22:17:33 <Grunt> or so
22:18:18 <wheals> &P is another option, sometimes
22:18:47 <wheals> it won't test the temple vault functionality like WEIGHT will, though
22:18:51 <chequers> 999999999*
22:18:55 <chequers> dont wrap my ints bro
22:19:22 <Grunt> rip
22:19:53 <gammafunk> !blamen 5 9
22:19:53 <Sequell> 999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
22:20:02 <wheals> welp, one lung is blocked by a tele and a zot trap
22:20:13 <evilmike> for april 1 someone should replace the chei commit messages with random entries from bad_ideas
22:20:28 <evilmike> or just do that on any random date, probably funnier that way
22:20:36 <gammafunk> evilmike: well we have this branch
22:20:38 <gammafunk> %git cyc
22:20:38 <Cheibriados> 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1773-ged48617: Increase weight of scroll of blinking. 10(9 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed486176fdd0
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22:20:44 <gammafunk> with some implemented bad ideas
22:20:47 <nicolae-> !messages
22:20:47 <Sequell> (1/2) chequers said (20h 47m 18s ago): might need to reduce the size of N shops https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=18192&view=unread&sid=0453f42d838c35dddf7d34f11cbd82fd#unread
22:20:51 <nicolae-> !messages
22:20:52 <Sequell> (1/1) chequers said (20h 47m 9s ago): M*
22:20:52 <chequers> how big can an encompass vault be?
22:20:57 <evilmike> oh i thought you called that branch "trunk"
22:20:59 <nicolae-> 70x80 i think
22:21:00 <evilmike> zing
22:21:01 <gammafunk> GXM,GYM basically
22:21:12 <Grunt> 80x70
22:21:26 <gammafunk> nicolae-: I saw that shop, it's not *really* a bug
22:21:27 <nicolae-> also i think for alphashops it might be worthwhile to add w:1 to the manuals
22:21:29 <chequers> ta
22:21:35 <nicolae-> if that's an issue
22:21:57 <chequers> isn't the shop rare enough? I just meant put fewer items in if you're selecting from a pool of only 5 items
22:22:13 <gammafunk> they already have adjustment for that
22:22:31 <nicolae-> M has 11 items
22:22:47 <gammafunk> it's just stochastically you can get things like that
22:23:05 <chequers> what letters can I use for substitution in a des file? anything that's not defined explitly in syntax.txt?
22:23:07 <nicolae-> if this is the first time that shop has generated a bunch of manuals, enough that someone felt compelled to post about it, i wonder if it's just one tail of the bell curve
22:23:16 <nicolae-> whatever you want
22:23:20 <gammafunk> yes, I mean it is
22:23:26 <chequers> yeah, that's a fair point
22:23:28 <nicolae-> if you use a KFEAT: or KMONS: or whatever it'll override the usual definition
22:23:31 <gammafunk> and it does make them harder to maintain if items get different weights
22:23:51 <gammafunk> like that's one manual type for each skill
22:24:22 <gammafunk> but maybe lowering the weight would be ok; I'm not sure it's really all that important given how expensive they are
22:24:24 <nicolae-> yeah, not being a pain in the ass to maintain was one of my goals, which is why all the names are predefined and the item counts are automatically calculated and so on
22:25:55 <gammafunk> I know MarvinPA grumbled a bit when I merged that, so we should do nothing to disturb that Terrible Demon-God of Removals
22:26:02 <gammafunk> ...the Unmaker
22:26:13 <nicolae-> no!
22:26:16 <nicolae-> don't even say the name
22:26:16 <evilmike> chequers: iirc you can use practically any character you want, though for sanity you should probably leave punctuation alone
22:26:32 <evilmike> but letters and numbers are safe, so are #$%^& and so on
22:27:01 <Grunt> !@#$%^&*()
22:27:14 <nicolae-> -_=+'"
22:27:23 <evilmike> everyone always forgets `
22:27:28 <gammafunk> double-wide unicode glyphs are preferred
22:27:36 <chequers> hm, how can I override the floor tile for some tiles?
22:27:38 <Grunt> !glaciate gammafunk
22:27:38 <Sequell> Grunt points at gammafunk and mumbles some strange words. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs gammafunk!
22:27:40 <chequers> eg drawing things on the floor
22:27:53 <nicolae-> FTILE: - = whatever
22:28:08 <chequers> nice
22:28:12 <gammafunk> but you need to remembe that it should work in console as well
22:28:16 <gammafunk> so if you change the tile, change the colour
22:28:32 <chequers> so COLOR: x
22:28:59 * wheals is now a Champion of Chaos
22:29:03 <gammafunk> yeah COLOUR - = green
22:29:06 <wheals> hopefully i can get the OCG ending now
22:29:11 <gammafunk> er COLOUR: - = gren
22:29:14 <gammafunk> er green
22:29:31 <gammafunk> !lm wheals
22:29:32 <Sequell> 15743. [2015-11-13 03:29:23] wheals the Champion of Chaos (L27 DDTm of Makhleb) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
22:29:32 <chequers> 'none' means 'use the default' right?
22:29:46 <wheals> cbro
22:29:48 <chequers> !lm wheals x=turn
22:29:49 <Sequell> 15743. [2015-11-13 03:29:23] [turn=71149] wheals the Champion of Chaos (L27 DDTm of Makhleb) found the Orb of Zot! (Zot:5)
22:29:54 <gammafunk> yeah none means use the default
22:29:56 <chequers> !score 15 72000
22:29:57 <Sequell> Approx score for 15 runes in 72000 turns: 21100000
22:29:58 <wheals> (i spent a while in zot)
22:30:02 <gammafunk> but you probably don't need that
22:30:04 <wheals> i still have only 10 runes
22:30:10 <gammafunk> for tiles that you don't want to color, juse use a normal .
22:30:11 <chequers> !score 10 72000
22:30:12 <Sequell> Approx score for 10 runes in 72000 turns: 9700000
22:30:17 <gammafunk> or normal glyph or w/e
22:30:27 <chequers> i think you still beat the, 2.1mil highscore or whatever :)
22:30:31 <wheals> yep
22:30:35 <chequers> gammafunk: ah true
22:30:39 <evilmike> also note for FTILE, it often makes sense to set it for walls and things like that. if the wall gets destroyed, it will show the floor tile you define for it
22:30:39 <wheals> win one for the team!
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22:31:01 <gammafunk> evilmike: yeah, I try to remember to do that, but a lot of people don't bother
22:31:06 <nicolae-> evilmike: same
22:31:20 <evilmike> usually doesnt matter but sometimes you might get a statue which has the wrong floor under it, or something like that
22:31:26 <wheals> fr: allow autotravel with monsters nearby, but make it play yakety sax
22:31:32 <gammafunk> !lg wheals
22:31:32 <Sequell> 3515. wheals the Cleaver (L8 DDTm), slain by an orc warrior (a +0 hand axe) on D:6 on 2015-11-11 19:58:05, with 1580 points after 6440 turns and 0:18:59.
22:31:37 <wheals> not done yet!
22:31:40 <gammafunk> wow
22:31:45 <nicolae-> i used to care a lot, my first vault was the underground beach and i made sure the floor tiles under the water were also sand, so it would still be beachy in case somebody Sunshined the water away
22:31:55 <evilmike> gj
22:32:43 <wheals> oh crap
22:32:51 <wheals> i forgot to diesel up first
22:33:01 <wheals> !lg
22:33:02 <Sequell> 3516. wheals the Champion of Chaos (L27 DDTm of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 10 runes on 2015-11-13 03:32:39, with 9835396 points after 72076 turns and 5:22:44.
22:33:03 <chequers> :)
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22:33:07 <wheals> (:
22:33:11 <wheals> 9M
22:33:13 <Grunt> :)??
22:33:13 <Sequell> (:
22:33:15 <Grunt> (:??
22:33:15 <Sequell> (:
22:33:19 <gammafunk> but then nicolae- joined a vault gang, went on the run from the law, was last seen smuggling illegal DES files overseas for some very sinister players...
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22:33:58 <wheals> !lg * dof s=name / won ?:N=0
22:33:58 <Sequell> No keyword 'dof'
22:34:01 <wheals> !lg dof s=name / won ?:N=0
22:34:02 <Sequell> 8 games for dof: 0/8x gammafunk [0.00%]
22:34:11 <wheals> gammafunk: you're an embarrassment....
22:34:12 <Grunt> !blame2 gammafunk
22:34:12 <Sequell> gggaaammmmmmaaafffuuunnnkkk
22:34:15 <gammafunk> uh
22:34:19 <nicolae-> shit they wouldn't let me put in the game. KMONS: 1 = player ghost. randbook numspells:1 spells:explosive_bolt.
22:34:32 <gammafunk> !lg dof s=name !gfspeed / won ?:N=0
22:34:33 <Sequell> 2 games for dof (!gfspeed): 0/2x gammafunk [0.00%]
22:34:34 * Grunt gestures. nicolae- explodes!
22:34:37 <gammafunk> only two games
22:35:21 <nicolae-> i thought of a rare shop that would, very rarely, sell spellbooks containing otherwise rod-only spells at greatly inflated prices, but i decided that would get the thumbs-down pretty much immediately
22:35:28 <Grunt> nope.
22:35:29 <Grunt> just nope.
22:35:40 <wheals> i single-handedly bring us to #41 and this is the thanks i get??
22:35:42 <nicolae-> you mean, nope it wouldn't get a thumbs down? i'll write it up immediately
22:35:47 <Grunt> !banish nicolae-
22:35:47 <Sequell> Grunt casts a spell. nicolae- is cast into the Abyss!
22:36:03 <wheals> gammafunk: the least you could do is merge my patch
22:36:04 <gammafunk> we knew nicolae- had a serious problem when he started making obtuse questions about just how someone would go about implementing spectral partially eaten mountain dwarf corpse zombie mimics
22:36:05 <nicolae-> it's always nice to visit home now and then...
22:36:24 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  I mean, that wasn't so bad
22:36:25 <nicolae-> *nicolae very quietly shelves the next question he was planning to ask*
22:36:32 <|amethyst> gammafunk:  then he started asking how to put them in shops
22:36:37 <gammafunk> hah
22:36:46 <elliptic> wheals: I'm pretty sure that patch has some problems with it but I don't have time to look at it tonight, ask me about it tomorrow night or sometime this weekend if gammafunk doesn't handle it by then
22:36:47 <nicolae-> you've got my number
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22:37:28 <gammafunk> "<nicolae-> So say I was going to implement ice chests, to *store* these spectral mountain dwarf corpse zombie mimics..."
22:37:55 <nicolae-> listen. those mimics will go bad eventually.
22:39:08 <nicolae-> though... you know what would be handy. a form of terrain that's like a door, but it can't be closed again. like... "old barricade" or "tangle of vines". it would be handy in swamp and other places that are full of non-door-using monsters. you can keep the monsters segregated till the player is ready to deal with them but they can't just shut the door when things get hairy.
22:39:15 <chequers> COLOR: M = none / green
22:39:16 <chequers> ?
22:39:24 <nicolae-> i think that works except for the americanism
22:39:31 <chequers> oh
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22:39:54 <nicolae-> the messed up thing is that, i forget where, but darkgrey and darkgray are used in different places
22:39:55 <gammafunk> so you want it to have a 50% chance of no colour change, 50% chance of green?
22:40:01 <chequers> I even spell british in my irl, but crawl being a) an open source program b) with british spelling constantly confuses me
22:40:10 <nicolae-> technically it's australian!
22:40:11 <chequers> gammafunk: yeah, well what colour should moss be
22:40:23 <doy> You now have 858 gold pieces (gained 414).
22:40:26 <doy> what happened there
22:41:02 <nicolae-> you got a lot of gold
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22:41:23 <doy> what would create a pile of gold that big on lair:2
22:41:34 <nicolae-> good_item i think
22:41:40 <doy> really?
22:41:42 <gammafunk> yeah, was it in a vault?
22:41:43 <doy> can be that big?
22:41:45 <nicolae-> was it part of an obvious vault
22:41:57 <doy> i'm assuming it was a vault, it came up via autotravel
22:41:57 <nicolae-> gold good_item can place over a thousand bucks
22:42:09 <wheals> yeah, grey and gray are both supported
22:42:15 <doy> i just didn't realize gold good_item could place that much
22:42:15 <habitualliar> huh?
22:42:15 <wheals> for some reason
22:42:36 <nicolae-> gold good_item is usually in the coupla-hundreds, 200-400, based on screwing around with it in wizmode, for reasons
22:42:42 <habitualliar> did someone say my name I got a notification beep but I don't see anything
22:42:48 <chequers> SUBST: M : .W
22:42:54 <chequers> why does this always generate W but no .
22:43:08 <Grunt> chequers: is it an either or?
22:43:11 <nicolae-> that replaces the M with ALL . or ALL W
22:43:18 <nicolae-> the colon means "do the same thing for every one of these"
22:43:24 <chequers> oh
22:43:26 <gammafunk> yeah = does so invidually for each tile
22:43:29 <nicolae-> if you want 50/50 floor and water, do SUBST: M = .W
22:43:31 <gammafunk> : does one choice for all
22:43:37 <doy> yeah, bobbens_dragon_lair_wall looks like
22:43:40 <doy> interesting
22:43:45 <chequers> nice
22:43:47 <gammafunk> .elrank
22:43:49 <Sequell> 2740 games for * (br=lair lvl>2 lvl<8 kmap!~entry kmap!~uniq kmap!~special_ kmap!~altar kmap!=): 171x gammafunk_lair_enchanted_lake, 113x bobbens_ice_dragon_lair, 111x dpeg_oklob_gauntlet, 111x ice2_lemuel, 107x dragon1_lemuel, 97x grunt_megastairs_3, 80x forest_paths, 80x grunt_megastairs_2, 72x grunt_megastairs_4, 65x minmay_lindwurm_lava, 60x minmay_lair_end_frog_pond, 59x worms_lemuel, 56x bea...
22:43:50 <nicolae-> well enjoy your four hundo
22:43:58 <gammafunk> eat it, bobbens!
22:44:16 <gammafunk> that's a fun vault to get though
22:44:25 <doy> time to go buy that wand of hasting i guess
22:44:40 <nicolae-> i gotta make more lair vaults...
22:44:48 <wheals> i didn't see a single wand of hasting or teleportation in the game i just finished
22:44:55 <wheals> no ?acq or !exp either
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22:44:58 <gammafunk> hasting I can understand
22:45:06 <gammafunk> well I guess they're probably same rarity
22:45:13 <wheals> i did have a /hw though
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22:45:22 <gammafunk> weren't you dd?
22:45:28 <gammafunk> !lg wheals
22:45:29 <Sequell> 3516. wheals the Champion of Chaos (L27 DDTm of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 10 runes on 2015-11-13 03:32:39, with 9835396 points after 72076 turns and 5:22:44.
22:45:30 <wheals> yeah :P
22:45:34 <wheals> i never found another one
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22:46:40 <gammafunk> !lm * current trunk rune !boring urune=1 / won urune=3
22:46:42 <Sequell> 0/15852 milestones for * (current trunk rune !boring urune=1): N=0/15852 (0.00%)
22:46:52 <gammafunk> oh
22:46:53 <Grunt> close
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22:46:59 <Grunt> !lm * current trunk rune !boring urune=1 / won lg:urune=3
22:47:06 <Grunt> oh
22:47:09 <Grunt> !lm * current trunk rune !boring urune=1 won lg:urune=3
22:47:13 <Grunt> that's probably what you want
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22:47:21 <Sequell> 2574/15852 milestones for * (current trunk rune !boring urune=1): N=2574/15852 (16.24%)
22:47:21 <Sequell> 2574. [2015-11-12 17:48:14] Basil the Basher (L17 MuSu of Kikubaaqudgha) found a gossamer rune of Zot on turn 47368. (Spider:4)
22:47:21 <gammafunk> no
22:47:23 <gammafunk> the former
22:47:30 <chequers> I want to generate a path in DES that's 3 tiles wide, but replace a few of the files with impassable terrain. Can I do this while still guaranteeing the path is traversible?
22:47:31 <gammafunk> well
22:47:37 <Grunt> !lm * current trunk rune !boring urune=1 won lg:urune=3 s=noun
22:47:39 <Sequell> 2574 milestones for * (current trunk rune !boring urune=1 won lg:urune=3): 794x decaying, 777x gossamer, 602x serpentine, 372x barnacled, 16x abyssal, 12x slimy, obsidian
22:47:45 <Grunt> good obsidian
22:47:58 <gammafunk> !lm * current trunk rune !boring urune=1 lg:urune<=3 / won lg:urune=3
22:48:02 <gammafunk> that's actually what I want
22:48:02 <Sequell> 2574/11097 milestones for * (current trunk rune !boring urune=1 lg:urune<=3): N=2574/11097 (23.20%)
22:48:03 <nicolae-> chequers: ah, the philosopher's stone of vault design
22:48:03 <Grunt> !lm * t rune !boring urune=1 won lg:urune=3 s=noun
22:48:04 <Sequell> 315 milestones for * (t rune !boring urune=1 won lg:urune=3): 107x decaying, 97x gossamer, 67x serpentine, 40x barnacled, 3x slimy, abyssal
22:48:12 <chequers> nicolae-: rats
22:48:32 <nicolae-> well, it's certainly doable, it depends on how much effort you're willing to put in
22:48:33 <chequers> nicolae-: so I guess I could hardcode a secret path that will never get impassable terrain? or is there a better hack
22:48:49 <gammafunk> !lm * current trunk rune !boring urune=3 lg:urune>3 / won lg:urune=15
22:48:57 <chequers> not a lot of effort, I think
22:49:04 <Sequell> 1467/4764 milestones for * (current trunk rune !boring urune=3 lg:urune>3): N=1467/4764 (30.79%)
22:49:05 <nicolae-> chequers: secret path is one trick i use, it's probably the easiest, second easiest is SHUFFLE between two paths so it's more random
22:49:16 <reaverb> why not usre the opague tag.
22:49:37 <reaverb> sorry I haven't read the backlog, probably should first >_>
22:49:43 <nicolae-> that just tells the level builder that the vault isn't guarante-- ah, there we go
22:50:35 <nicolae-> it's possible to use lua to just manipulate the vault squares directly, like in one of grunt's tar ends to generate a maze, but i very rarely have cared that much
22:50:46 <chequers> yeah, too much for vault #1
22:50:47 <Grunt> you can also set up a veto if there's not a passable path
22:50:59 <Grunt> imo don't do that until you're a lot more experienced
22:51:06 <chequers> i don't get opaque
22:51:20 <Grunt> opaque is "this vault places disconnected sections; don't worry about it"
22:51:21 <wheals> isn't opaque still the default, unfortunately
22:51:21 <Grunt> basically
22:51:21 <reaverb> Maybe just make the first and third lanes mutually exclusive to have walls?
22:51:22 <nicolae-> opaque just means the level builder won't treat the vault as entirely connected to the outside world
22:51:25 <Grunt> wheals: it is not!!!
22:51:30 <wheals> when did this happen
22:51:32 <chequers> ah. that sounds bad for a temple vault
22:51:36 <nicolae-> grunt: are you sure?
22:51:40 <reaverb> My opaque suggestion was bad and I'm sorry.
22:51:56 <nicolae-> chequers: if you're making an encompass vault i don't think opaque vs. transparent is even relevant
22:51:56 <gammafunk> try to be more transparent from now on, reaverb
22:52:26 <wheals> gammafunk: you're not speaking very clearly
22:52:45 <gammafunk> yeah that would be for placing the vault in a layout, which encompass doesn't do
22:52:49 <Grunt> nicolae-: I made the commit myself, so I'm 100% sure
22:52:59 <Grunt> I just need to find that commit to proof it out :)
22:53:02 <Grunt> I was looking at it recently
22:54:26 <gammafunk> an emcompass isn't the best first vault project you could pick, anyhow
22:54:33 <gammafunk> *encompass
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22:55:05 <chequers> oh really? i assumed it was the easiest
22:55:07 <chequers> a temple vault
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22:55:11 <gammafunk> ah
22:55:15 <gammafunk> yeah a temple is a special case
22:55:21 <gammafunk> thought you meant a content vault
22:55:21 <nicolae-> yeah, temple is probably pretty easy for encompasses
22:55:38 <nicolae-> since it's just "one staircase and a buncha altars"
22:55:43 <gammafunk> a temple isn't exactly the easiest first vault either, tbh, but you don't have to think about monsters and items
22:55:58 <gammafunk> I guess overflow altars aren't really all that much simpler
22:55:58 <Grunt> . . .
22:56:22 <gammafunk> !blamen 4 .
22:56:22 <Sequell> .................................................................................
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22:56:31 <wheals> Grunt: maybe you never pushed it
22:56:37 <Grunt> well
22:56:39 <nicolae-> gammafunk: yeah, exactly, it's just fancy layout stuff
22:56:44 <Grunt> !source dungeon.cc:926
22:56:44 <Sequell> https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dungeon.cc#l926
22:56:53 <Grunt> this points to opaque still being the default
22:57:14 <Grunt> hm
22:57:25 <Grunt> this doesn't jive with some other issues I remember encountering
22:57:31 <Grunt> oh
22:57:31 <gammafunk> nicolae-: what was your first vault?
22:57:36 <Grunt> the changeset I'm thinking of related to exits, not vault transparency
22:57:37 <nicolae-> underground beach
22:57:38 <gammafunk> I think mine were really simple overflow altars
22:57:50 <nicolae-> the one that had sharks and blood if you were deep enough
22:57:51 <wheals> Grunt: mini_float -> !no_exits ?
22:57:58 <Grunt> wheals: yeah
22:57:59 <gammafunk> I think I remember this
22:58:01 <Grunt> %git ca0822a
22:58:01 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-860-gca0822a: Make mini_float the default; add a no_exits tag instead. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 35 files, 306+ 373-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ca0822add27c
22:58:31 <Grunt> %git 2f358d9
22:58:31 <Cheibriados> 07Grunt02 * 0.15-a0-861-g2f358d9: Adjust a large number of vaults for the just-made changes. 10(1 year, 6 months ago, 16 files, 150+ 133-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f358d908a60
22:58:33 <nicolae-> my next vaults were the ones where a kraken murders a bunch of player monsters right as you enter the dungeon
22:58:42 <Grunt> !lg * d:1 cikiller=feild
22:58:43 <Sequell> No games for * (d:1 cikiller=feild).
22:58:44 <Grunt> !lg * d:1 cikiller=felid
22:58:44 <Sequell> 18. tlatlagkaus the Cutter (L1 VSGl), slain by a felid on D:1 on 2014-03-10 11:22:15, with 0 points after 11 turns and 0:00:09.
22:58:47 <Grunt> !lg * d:1 cikiller=felid x=map
22:58:48 <Sequell> 18. [map=] tlatlagkaus the Cutter (L1 VSGl), slain by a felid on D:1 on 2014-03-10 11:22:15, with 0 points after 11 turns and 0:00:09.
22:58:51 <Grunt> !lg * d:1 cikiller=felid x=kmap
22:58:52 <Sequell> 18. [killermap=] tlatlagkaus the Cutter (L1 VSGl), slain by a felid on D:1 on 2014-03-10 11:22:15, with 0 points after 11 turns and 0:00:09.
22:58:54 <Grunt> ...
22:58:55 <Grunt> oh right
22:59:00 <Grunt> because it was the respawn
22:59:02 <nicolae-> i wonder how many times the player monsters end up winning. i almost saw it happen once while i was testing it.
22:59:09 <wheals> imagine, you'd have to do even more for transparent
22:59:09 <chequers> everyone's first vault include water heh
22:59:16 <Grunt> chequers: mine didn't!!!!!
22:59:47 <gammafunk> mine did, chance of deep water or lava
22:59:58 <gammafunk> but the guy merging my vault was like, this insane guy or something
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23:00:13 <Grunt> actually four of my first five vaults did not have water
23:00:13 <chequers> ugh
23:00:15 <nicolae-> was it grunt
23:00:19 <Grunt> (the fifth only had shallow water)
23:00:23 <gammafunk> nicolae-: now that you mention it, it was
23:00:32 <nicolae-> the "insane guy" part tipped me off
23:00:36 <wheals> so your first vault submission did include water
23:00:37 <Grunt> ??grunt[insane
23:00:38 <Sequell> grunt[25/27]: <gammafunk> ok that's fair, but do consider that grunt is also insane. <gammafunk> so as odd as this sounds, this Grunt idea may not be insane! <Grunt> impossible.
23:00:47 <Grunt> wheals: no, the fourth and fifth vaults were my third submission
23:00:58 <wheals> nicolae-: if you're starting from the devteam, "insane guy" doesn't really narrow it down
23:00:58 <Grunt> the first was on its own; the second and third were together
23:01:02 <wheals> ok
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23:01:16 <gammafunk> at least you didn't make a vault with a nazi medal
23:01:21 <Grunt> (incidentally, guess which vaults these were)
23:01:24 <gammafunk> that then went on to kill one of our german developers
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23:01:42 <nicolae-> oof
23:01:46 <Grunt> oh actually come to think of it, the fifth vault did have deep water
23:01:52 <chequers> are substs run in order? so the first one's output is used as input for the second?
23:01:56 <Grunt> chequers: yes
23:01:59 <nicolae-> yase
23:02:10 <chequers> can I have that not happen?
23:02:26 <nicolae-> SUBSTS and SHUFFLES go in order, and then the K**** directives apply at the end, even if you write them before the SUBST and SHUFFLEs
23:02:37 <nicolae-> chequers: what do you want
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23:02:53 <gammafunk> yeah often you need to target the subst to a different glyph or set of glyphs
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23:03:15 <chequers> i want to turn some floor into shallow water or floor, but I also want to turn some walls into walls or floor
23:03:21 <chequers> I can order this so it works, I'm just wondering
23:03:43 <nicolae-> do you want the walls that become floor to have a chance of becoming shallow water
23:03:55 <nicolae-> or should floor that has been walls remain floor forevermore
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23:04:09 <chequers> i don't know this is confusing
23:04:13 <nicolae-> well
23:04:14 <gammafunk> sounds like you just need to make a subst on the floor tiles that have a special glyph
23:04:15 <chequers> just do what i mean
23:04:21 <gammafunk> then do a subst on the wall tiles
23:04:34 <wheals> !hs * t won urune!=15
23:04:35 <Sequell> 448. wheals the Champion of Chaos (L27 DDTm of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 10 runes on 2015-11-13 03:32:39, with 9835396 points after 72076 turns and 5:22:44.
23:04:38 <wheals> i'm special
23:04:50 <gammafunk> so in your map those floors would have a glyph other than . most likely
23:04:53 <Grunt> !blame2 wheals
23:04:53 <Sequell> wwwhhheeeaaalllsss
23:05:19 <gammafunk> if you want this to happen to all floors in your map then yeah do the floor subst first
23:05:25 <gammafunk> then do the wall subst
23:05:51 <gammafunk> but if you use only a special glyph for the floor tiles and use that glyph in your map, the order won't matter
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23:08:26 <chequers> ok, works, thanks
23:08:33 <chequers> now just make this map not ugly
23:08:45 <nicolae-> make a map not ugly? is that... is that a thing?
23:08:53 <wheals> you have to add TAGS: !ugly
23:09:12 <wheals> we haven't gotten around to adjusting the default yet
23:09:16 <gammafunk> ??vaultmaking[3
23:09:16 <Sequell> vaultmaking[3/3]: <cheibrodos> I suggested to gamma earlier that I should remove the equivalent of the vaginal canal. It makes the vault look better as well.
23:09:59 <nicolae-> ??vaultmaking
23:09:59 <Sequell> vaultmaking[1/3]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:help:maps and docs/develop/levels/ in the source
23:10:02 <nicolae-> ??vaultmaking[2
23:10:02 <Sequell> hangedman[14/22]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=user:hangedman
23:10:04 <nicolae-> argh
23:10:07 <Grunt> ?
23:10:26 <nicolae-> ah, here it is
23:10:29 <nicolae-> ??vault[3
23:10:29 <Sequell> vault[3/9]: [Mu_] the most crucial part of making a large map is ensuring that no section of it either looks like a swastika or a smiley face
23:10:29 <Grunt> "argh" is an appropriate reaction to that second entry
23:10:31 <Grunt> <.<
23:10:36 <chequers> :)
23:10:41 <Grunt> :)
23:11:46 <nicolae-> it's time to smash down barriers and make a vault with a smiley face
23:11:54 <chequers> til shallow water randomises move speed
23:15:07 <Grunt> yessss I think gw just got harvest I finally
23:15:56 <Grunt> or has had it for a bit without me noticing <.< >.>
23:16:14 <nicolae-> which one's harvest I
23:16:25 <doy> huh, porcupines hit almost as hard as yaks
23:16:27 <Grunt> 32 distinct uniques
23:16:38 <wheals> dang, comborobin killed all the uniques
23:17:15 <nicolae-> fr: a god who has a piety rule where you gain piety for killing uniques
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23:19:27 <minmay> so...pretty much all gods?
23:19:53 <Grunt> gammafunk: quick, tune into gw
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23:20:28 <gammafunk> !watch gw
23:20:28 <Henzell> No current CAO game for gw.
23:20:36 <Grunt> you missed it
23:20:42 <Grunt> !lg gw
23:20:43 <Sequell> 8172. gw the Cleaver (L10 HOFi of Nemelex Xobeh), slain by a wyvern (summoned by an orange crystal statue) on D:9 (minivault_16) on 2015-11-13 04:20:31, with 5324 points after 11873 turns and 0:15:03.
23:21:01 <wheals> apparently, the secret to getting lots of gkills in the t is to play on cbro so gw  dies to them
23:21:01 <gammafunk> !whaha
23:21:05 <gammafunk> er haha
23:21:07 <gammafunk> .ocs
23:21:08 <Sequell> 3. gw the Cleaver (L10 HOFi of Nemelex Xobeh), slain by a wyvern (summoned by an orange crystal statue) on D:9 (minivault_16) on 2015-11-13 04:20:31, with 5324 points after 11873 turns and 0:15:03.
23:21:17 <nicolae-> well, more piety for killing uniques, i mean. not as the main piety gain rule, more of a side rule for flavor
23:21:37 <chequers> nah. piety ONLY for killing uniques
23:21:44 <chequers> and pan lords, perhaps
23:21:57 <chequers> bounty hunter
23:22:17 <chequers> can I create a temple with a variable number of altars? how do I name it?
23:22:22 <gammafunk> Grunt: wow, what are all those flashes?
23:22:24 <wheals> the god dog
23:22:31 <Grunt> gammafunk: it's gw searching for things
23:22:36 <Grunt> chequers: yes you can
23:22:45 <Grunt> chequers: it's all in the tagging and some lua wizardry
23:22:49 <nicolae-> if you look in temple.des there's a few existing ones
23:22:58 <Grunt> chequers: look up the corrupt temple for an example
23:23:06 <Grunt> !vault corrupted_temple
23:23:07 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/temple.des#l3269
23:23:09 <chequers> aha
23:23:20 <chequers> so i tag it with all possible numbers of altars and then use this lua snippet
23:23:33 <nicolae-> yerp
23:24:03 <nicolae-> then you can do lua to do various vault things based on the number of altars
23:24:03 <chequers> ahha. just had an idea. can I put a faded altar in temple?
23:24:17 <nicolae-> i don't see why not
23:24:30 <nicolae-> though i don't imagine it'll get used very often
23:24:31 <chequers> the lore of this temple vault I'm creating is a sunken /ancient/decaying temple
23:24:48 <nicolae-> noiec
23:24:56 <chequers> I was going to sub out some altars and replace with statues/shallow water, but I could replace them with faded altars
23:25:33 <nicolae-> i mean, couldn't hurt to go for it, the worst that'll happen is whoever commits your vault takes it out
23:26:06 <wheals> next, make a temple with only faded altars!
23:26:24 <nicolae-> damn
23:26:26 <chequers> PLACE: D:1
23:26:26 <Grunt> the real ecumenical temple.
23:26:29 <chequers> I already submitted that one
23:26:57 <nicolae-> can faded altars be non-temple gods or just the ecumenical gods
23:27:03 <chequers> any
23:28:38 <wheals> !lm * god.ecumenical s=noun
23:28:38 <Sequell> 6834 milestones for * (god.ecumenical): 424x Gozag, 358x Ru, 356x Lugonu, 350x Dithmenos, 350x Xom, 346x Makhleb, 343x Qazlal, 340x Jiyva, 336x Cheibriados, 334x Sif Muna, 330x Ashenzari, 330x Vehumet, 324x Okawaru, 316x Trog, 311x Nemelex Xobeh, 304x Yredelemnul, 301x Kikubaaqudgha, 287x Fedhas, 276x the Shining One, 254x Zin, 252x Elyvilon, 12x Beogh
23:28:59 <nicolae-> what's god.ecumenical
23:29:05 <chequers> aka faded altar
23:29:09 <wheals> someone worshipping at a faded altar
23:29:11 <nicolae-> ah
23:29:24 <nicolae-> why's beogh so low
23:29:30 <nicolae-> oh, nvm, i assume he only shows up if you're an orc
23:29:32 <wheals> F, 1, Z, E, and B are racist
23:29:52 <Grunt> theoretically D is too, but we don't have any fiery races atm
23:30:03 <wheals> !send Grunt salamanders
23:30:03 <Sequell> Sending salamanders to Grunt.
23:30:09 <gammafunk> !firestorm Grunt
23:30:10 <Sequell> gammafunk points at Grunt and mumbles some strange words. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs Grunt!
23:30:13 <Grunt> !glaciate gammafunk
23:30:13 <Sequell> Grunt gestures at gammafunk while chanting. Grunt conjures a mighty blast of ice! The great icy blast engulfs gammafunk!
23:30:24 <wheals> well, i'm off for the night
23:30:28 <wheals> time to hit the SaCK
23:30:30 <nicolae-> good night
23:30:33 <gammafunk> gg
23:30:34 <Grunt> stay SaFE
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23:30:51 <gammafunk> we lost two-for-one
23:31:00 <Grunt> rip.
23:31:56 <nicolae-> rip
23:32:30 <Grunt> wow gw has good ev right now
23:32:35 <Grunt> &dump gw
23:32:36 <Sequell> http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/morgue/gw/gw.txt
23:32:58 <Grunt> o - +0 crystal plate armour
23:33:01 <chequers> omg it works
23:33:15 <nicolae-> grunt. why does the bot have -1 ev
23:33:19 <nicolae-> ah
23:33:28 <Grunt> t - +0 large shield
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23:33:48 <gammafunk> gw likes going defense
23:33:55 <Grunt> !lg gw t crazy
23:33:55 <Sequell> No games for gw (t crazy).
23:34:03 <gammafunk> !kw crazy
23:34:03 <Sequell> Keyword: crazy => ((sh>=50 || sh>25 newsh)) crace!=og|tr|na|ce|fo
23:34:11 <Grunt> !lg gw !t crazy
23:34:12 <Sequell> 1. gw the Carver (L11 MiFi of The Shining One), slain by a six-headed hydra on D:11 (kennysheep_town) on 2015-03-15 00:29:37, with 13412 points after 13732 turns and 0:18:14.
23:34:13 <Grunt> good
23:35:13 <Grunt> I like how gw completely ignored Maud there
23:37:21 <chequers> any feedback on temple vault #1? http://sprunge.us/XZcQ
23:38:03 <Grunt> chequers: take the WEIGHT: out of the patch imo :b
23:38:26 <nicolae-> no. leave it in.
23:38:40 <Grunt> this reminds me somewhat of the original version of grunt_swamp_rune_castle
23:38:43 <Grunt> or grunt_ruined_hall
23:38:59 <chequers> !map grunt_swamp_rune_castle
23:39:00 <Sequell> No games for grunt_swamp_rune_castle.
23:39:06 <Grunt> hm
23:39:08 <chequers> !vault grunt_swamp_rune_castle
23:39:08 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/swamp.des#l2201
23:39:14 <nicolae-> !vault grunt_swamp_rune_castle
23:39:15 <Sequell> 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/swamp.des#l2201
23:39:16 <nicolae-> dammit
23:39:57 <chequers> i was thinking of the 'big and little stones' idea but not sure items are appropriate for a temple vault
23:40:15 <chequers> this map already introduces non-ecumenical altars
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23:49:34 <|amethyst> !learn add reserved_clan_names Actual Cannibal Shia LaBeogh
23:49:34 <Sequell> reserved clan names[8/8]: Actual Cannibal Shia LaBeogh
23:49:56 <|amethyst> !learn edit reserved_clan_names[$] s/$/ [|amethyst]/
23:49:56 <Sequell> reserved clan names[8/8]: Actual Cannibal Shia LaBeogh [|amethyst]
23:54:05 <gammafunk> !learn del reserved_clan_names[1]
23:54:06 <Sequell> Deleted reserved clan names[1/8]: Imp Discussions [gammafunk]
23:54:14 <gammafunk> !learn del reserved_clan_names[1]
23:54:14 <Sequell> Deleted reserved clan names[1/7]: Dragons onto Firewood [gammafunk]
23:54:22 <gammafunk> !learn del reserved_clan_names[1]
23:54:22 <Sequell> Deleted reserved clan names[1/6]: Quadratic Screaming [PleasingFungus]
23:54:37 <gammafunk> ??reserved_clan_names
23:54:38 <Sequell> reserved clan names[1/5]: Akrasiac Record
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23:54:51 <gammafunk> ??reserved_clan_names[2
23:54:51 <Sequell> reserved clan names[2/5]: Devteam: Rebased [gammafunk]
23:54:59 <gammafunk> !learn del reserved_clan_names[2
23:54:59 <Sequell> Deleted reserved clan names[2/5]: Devteam: Rebased [gammafunk]
23:55:03 <gammafunk> ??reserved_clan_names[2
23:55:03 <nicolae-> what the
23:55:03 <Sequell> reserved clan names[2/4]: Quiescent Sporulation [who do you think?]
23:55:07 <gammafunk> ??reserved_clan_names[3
23:55:07 <Sequell> reserved clan names[3/4]: Wizards Without Wizlabs [gammafunk]
23:55:13 <gammafunk> yeah that's for next t
23:55:56 <CanOfWorms> shouldn't it be
23:56:14 <CanOfWorms> sorciers sans wizlabs
23:56:41 <gammafunk> we'll use that in the title of the French restream
23:58:22 <|amethyst> I figured wizlab would be "labsorc" or something like that
23:59:10 <Eksell> Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.18-a0-82-gaf82852 (34)