00:00:02 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:49 Stable (0.17) branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-b1-20-g63edfd6 00:01:16 <|amethyst> Someone did once say to me, paraphrased: "Oh, it has all kinds of letters. I never liked reading games." 00:04:28 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/merfolk_aquamancer_water.png 00:06:12 -!- JellieJels has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:06:57 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: hm, my worry there is "naga" 00:07:05 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: but it looks good 00:07:10 oh, hm 00:07:33 maybe if the fins were a different color 00:07:41 purple. 00:07:42 <.< 00:07:47 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: well, also (and the current tiles are no better in this respect), would water-dwellers really have long hair 00:08:14 <|amethyst> but probably biology-based objections have no place in Crawl :) 00:08:23 <|amethyst> %git :/mycologists 00:08:23 07|amethyst02 * 0.11-a0-1969-gb400b11: Giant spores are fungi. 10(3 years, 5 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b400b11c33a4 00:08:47 the aquamancer has short hair! 00:08:53 singularity idea: 00:08:57 ...the others don't though xD 00:08:58 force it to be on top of the player 00:09:00 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: not compared to a whale! 00:09:00 <.< >.> 00:09:06 whoa 00:09:07 <|amethyst> ontoclasm: or an otter even 00:09:35 <|amethyst> but, yeah, bald merfolk might be going too far :) 00:09:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:09:43 it would be a bald move 00:10:08 <|amethyst> I guess the current ones have male pattern baldness 00:11:05 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 00:11:16 also also: naga are next on the redesign list 00:11:20 i think roctavian made some 00:11:30 so hopefully they'll be more distinctive 00:11:36 <|amethyst> but 00:11:40 <|amethyst> that 6-pack 00:11:55 <|amethyst> I thought it was eternal 00:12:21 haha 00:12:32 they'll probably end up even more buff 00:12:43 <|amethyst> ??rambo 00:12:43 I don't have a page labeled rambo in my learndb. 00:13:50 <|amethyst> !learn add rambo https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/0.16.2/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/naga_sharpshooter.png 00:13:51 rambo[1/1]: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/0.16.2/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/mon/naga_sharpshooter.png 00:13:59 <3 00:14:25 solid snake >.> 00:14:48 those naga abs are canon! 00:15:00 snake!? SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE 00:15:13 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 00:15:18 is there a video of that quote? 00:15:26 <|amethyst> Ąlearn add solid_snake https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/0.16.2/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dngn/statues/statue_naga.png 00:15:27 Okay, not adding solid_snake => https://raw.githubusercontent.com/crawl/crawl/0.16.2/crawl-ref/source/rltiles/dngn/statues/statue_naga.png 00:16:32 fun fact: I made that tile (heavily based on the other naga tiles, but still) 00:16:46 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8a6592779e9b34d59d194eaf33b362b4c6466f62 00:17:12 (fr: rename them back to marksnagas <.<) 00:17:24 <|amethyst> Grunt: oh, naga enchanters had wifi? 00:17:36 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:17:52 |amethyst: yes 00:18:03 their signal cut out somewhere along the way though 00:19:48 <|amethyst> You receive a faint telepathic message from Vashnia: Look for a ...ic transporter. 00:20:37 a runic transporter, of course! 00:21:31 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 00:21:50 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 00:21:51 <|amethyst> Look for a tunic tansporter. 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You decide 00:49:43 !lg roars defe br=depths 00:49:44 1. roars the Pyromancer (L23 DEFE of Vehumet), mangled by a caustic shrike (kmap: grunt_x_marks_the_spot) on Depths:3 on 2015-11-04 05:05:56, with 442896 points after 81338 turns and 4:48:11. 00:49:54 !blame3 Grunt 00:49:54 Gruuuuunt 00:49:56 !lg roars defe br=depths -tv 00:49:57 1. roars, XL23 DEFE, T:81338 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:50:17 !lg roars defe br=depths -tv:cancel 00:50:18 1. roars, XL23 DEFE, T:81338 cancel requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:50:21 !lg roars defe br=depths -tv:<2 00:50:22 1. roars, XL23 DEFE, T:81338 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 00:50:56 !vault grunt_x_marks_the_spot 00:50:57 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l5660 00:51:34 If you use Fulm. and it hits targets offscreen you get a spam of "You hear an explosion! You feel more experienced." for every creature killed. it turned into quite the message spam using it on orcs...(I consider it a minor bug) 00:52:37 Yeah, it could say that You hear an explosion! message once and then the rest of the "You feel more experienced" would show as one with repeat indicator 00:52:58 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:54:22 <|amethyst> ah 00:54:34 <|amethyst> it's noise_msg in beam.cc 00:54:46 <|amethyst> it produces the noise for every monster affected 00:55:25 <|amethyst> it's being set in mon-death.cc 00:55:31 <|amethyst> beam.noise_msg = "You hear an explosion!"; 00:55:40 -!- doubtofbuddha has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:55:45 <|amethyst> (also clap of thunder and otherworldly crackling) 00:55:46 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:56:04 <|amethyst> those are the only places noise_msg is set, so 00:56:49 <|amethyst> would be easy enough to change its semantics in beam.cc 00:56:49 Otherworldly cracking? 00:56:57 ...malign gateway? 00:56:59 <|amethyst> bennu 00:59:10 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:14 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:01:37 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-b1-20-g63edfd6 01:02:30 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:04:08 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.18-a0-29-gce27f3c (34) 01:12:19 -!- StarButterfly has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:14:20 -!- Patashu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:15:39 what's otherworldly about phoenixes 01:15:48 they just catch fire 01:16:04 -!- edgefigaro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:16:08 !seen hibi 01:16:09 Sorry chequers, I haven't seen hibi . 01:16:13 oops 01:16:18 !seen hyperactvchipmunk 01:16:18 Sorry chequers, I haven't seen hyperactvchipmunk. 01:16:49 <|amethyst> chequers: otherworldly because these explode in ghostly flame 01:18:39 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-29-gce27f3c (34) 01:21:41 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:21:48 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:22:42 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:22:55 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:02 ??tournament 01:23:03 tournament[1/5]: The 0.17 tournament will run from 20:00 UTC Nov 6 to 20:00 UTC Nov 22. Tournament pages will be forthcoming! 01:23:10 ??tournament[2 01:23:11 tournament[2/5]: The 0.16 tournament ran from 20:00 UTC Mar 13 to 20:00 UTC Mar 29. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ Leaderboard: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/overview.html 01:24:35 !learn edit tournament s|\. T|. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.17/| 01:24:36 Use: !learn edit tournament[NUM] s/// 01:24:45 !learn edit tournament[1] s|\. T|. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.17/| 01:24:46 tournament[1/5]: The 0.17 tournament will run from 20:00 UTC Nov 6 to 20:00 UTC Nov 22. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.17/ournament pages will be forthcoming! 01:24:54 oh heh 01:25:28 !learn set tournament[1] The 0.17 tournament will run from 20:00 UTC Nov 6 to 20:00 UTC Nov 22. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.17/ 01:25:28 tournament[1/5]: The 0.17 tournament will run from 20:00 UTC Nov 6 to 20:00 UTC Nov 22. Rules: http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.17/ 01:26:09 -!- ldf_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:28:01 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:31:37 !time 01:31:38 Time: Nov 04, 2015, 06:31:37 AM, UTC. The 2015 0.17 tournament starts in 2 days, 13 hours, 28 minutes and 22 seconds. 01:40:52 03|amethyst02 07* 0.18-a0-30-g52c0daa: Don't repeat offscreen explosion noise per victim (hibitualliar) 10(4 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/52c0daa95b48 01:44:52 <|amethyst> %git 6e142596 01:44:52 07|amethyst02 * 0.18-a0-24-g6e14259: Make meph-vs-player warnings more consistent (#10046) 10(28 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6e1425966ca5 01:46:02 <|amethyst> still not sure about including that one in 0.17... I worry that I may have made the margin too thin, since entering a meph cloud now only warns if it could kill you on this very action 01:47:06 <|amethyst> eh, I think I will include it, the warning when targetting yourself at 2 HP makes up for it :P 01:48:49 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.17] * 0.17-b1-21-g8e39995: Make meph-vs-player warnings more consistent (#10046) 10(28 hours ago, 2 files, 11+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8e39995e7f64 01:48:49 03|amethyst02 07[stone_soup-0.17] * 0.17-b1-22-g5359643: Don't repeat offscreen explosion noise per victim (hibitualliar) 10(12 minutes ago, 3 files, 13+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5359643c20bf 01:50:50 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:52:55 |amethyst: oh, hit_noise_msg is unused, despite that reference I see in the diff in beam.cc? 01:53:10 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:30 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I mean, it's never set to anything but the empty string 01:53:42 aha 01:53:43 <|amethyst> gammafunk: it is supported by beam.cc, but never used by the clients of beam.cc 01:53:48 yeah, I misread the diff a bit 01:54:14 thought I saw both being set in that mon-death.cc code 01:54:25 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-29-gce27f3c 01:54:29 but it's a deletion and then an insert 01:54:34 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:55:28 I should do some test builds of the debian packages tomorrow or thurs 01:56:10 I'd like to update the base packages in my cow dir for any updates to ubuntu 14 but I'm not sure how 01:56:20 I think it's easy enough to do though 01:57:39 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Client Quit] 01:58:25 -!- setecastronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:01 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:07:08 -!- TwoSpot has quit [] 02:11:48 okay, i think i've drawn enough merfolk for one night 02:11:53 -!- Insomniak has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 02:12:35 ??glyphs 02:12:36 glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 02:14:44 * gammafunk throws a net. ontoclasm is trapped in the net! 02:15:18 * ontoclasm is engulfed in roaring flames! 02:15:23 they always get me when I forget about the nets 02:17:37 I'm guessing that wearing a ring of tele and repeatedly casting control tele is kind of against the spirit of crawl and one reason why ctele spell was removed, eh? http://i.imgur.com/UDWxJw2.png 02:18:32 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 02:19:50 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:20:04 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 02:21:51 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:22:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:23:55 -!- dustinm`_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:27:25 -!- djinni has quit [*.net *.split] 02:27:25 -!- dustinm` has quit [*.net *.split] 02:31:23 well, if anybody feels like merging newlogo, be my guest xD 02:31:27 i'm going to bed 02:32:01 oh, i feel like it! 02:32:07 wait, i haven't the faintest idea how 02:33:14 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:34:22 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 02:35:00 -!- P_R_Deltoid has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:37:11 -!- Krakhan|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:44:50 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:44:55 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:45:52 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:45:54 <|amethyst> !learn add impossible see {devteam[/literally impossible]} 02:45:55 impossible[1/1]: see {devteam[/literally impossible]} 02:45:57 <|amethyst> ??impossible 02:45:58 impossible[1/1]: see {devteam[/literally impossible]} 02:46:05 <|amethyst> I guess that doesn't work, too bad 02:46:12 <|amethyst> !learn set impossible see {devteam[5]} 02:46:13 impossible[1/1]: see {devteam[5]} 02:46:16 <|amethyst> ??impossible 02:46:17 devteam[5/27]: sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up 02:48:35 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49:04 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:52:27 -!- crate_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:58:24 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:58:45 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:03:32 impossible?? 03:03:33 sadly that bug is literally impossible to fix by which i mean i tried like once and then gave up 03:09:37 -!- kazimuth has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 14:18:59 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:20:13 @??golden dragon 14:20:13 golden dragon (08D) | Spd: 10 | HD: 18 | HP: 90-120 | AC/EV: 15/7 | Dam: 40, 2009(claw), 2007(trample) | see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(180), 05fire, 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 12drown | Chunks: 14noxious | XP: 4165 | Sp: b.fire (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], b.cold (3d27) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath], poisonous cloud (3d11) [11!AM, 06!sil, 08breath] | Sz: Giant | Int: animal. 14:23:01 @??cyan very ugly thing 14:23:01 cyan very ugly thing (11u) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 18 | HP: 85-114 | AC/EV: 6/10 | Dam: 2711(elec:18-26) | 10doors | Res: 06magic(40), 10elec++ | Vul: 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 1439 | Sz: Large | Int: animal. 14:25:08 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 14:27:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:29:57 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 14:30:01 -!- _miek has joined ##crawl-dev 14:30:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:33:32 -!- crate_ is now known as crate 14:37:12 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:38:00 -!- AnnoyedKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:44:07 -!- heliob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:46:51 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 14:55:29 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 14:59:15 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:06:11 -!- cdepatie has joined ##crawl-dev 15:06:59 If I have something I want to add to the interface, should I just write it myself and then submit a patch, or should I propose the idea somewhere first? 15:10:00 the 'somewhere' would be here, and you can propose it first if you want to avoid risking writing a patch that doesn't get accepted 15:10:55 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:13 note that crawl's in feature freeze for about three weeks though 15:11:28 I was thinking of some kind of item comparison action, where it opens up important info about two items side by side. Similar to Cata DDA functionality 15:11:42 Yeah I have school so it wouldn't be super quick anyways 15:12:49 if you're thinking of comparing using numbers/metrics that aren't currently available in the UI you would probably get pushback there 15:13:08 no nothing like that 15:13:24 basically just tiling item descriptions next to each other 15:13:56 so I can say "compare item a and b" and see the accuracy, damage, egos/brands, whatever 15:14:07 just more convenient then opening one then the other 15:15:34 makes sense. I guess my concern would be if it's really needed, since there are only really those three metrics which differ from weapon to weapon. Well, there are also the arbitrary artifact properties, but i'm not sure how useful it would be seeing a tabular comparison of those between two random artifacts 15:16:16 -!- Kramin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:17:13 It definitely doesn't provide anything /new/, it's just a convenience thing to save a few keystrokes and display the information in a more useful way 15:17:49 I'd be a little concerned about the prospect of encouraging players to compare weapons constantly, adding tedium. I'm also a little concerned about the likelihood of the comparison giving misleading information, which would make it worse than no feature. 15:18:30 cdepatie: oh, so it would just show the info from the item properties view, but for two items side by side? 15:18:36 Yeah 15:18:40 No analysis or anything 15:18:50 you could argue that information is misleading ;) 15:18:52 Purely "let me see the numbers at the same time" 15:19:23 I don't think I'd use that feature, but I can't see any reason to object to it if it would be useful to (say) new players 15:20:11 -!- pblur_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:20:47 I'm just a lazy player, I'd rather see them side by side then hop between two seperate screens to check out the numbers 15:20:50 "Compared to your currently wielded weapon, this weapon has +1 accuracy, -2 base damage, the same enchantment, and a minimum delay 0.1 faster" 15:21:05 -!- johnny0 has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:21:12 I guess once you are more familiar with base types and such it's not needed as much 15:22:49 chequers: that seems both easy to implement and relatively helpful to newer players 15:23:00 could add it to the inventory view 15:23:17 exactly where I was thinking, since that code is reasonably straight-forward 15:23:32 Yeah that'd be perfect for what I wanted out of it 15:23:35 just need to make base damage and enchantment the same thing and it'll be non-misleading ;) 15:24:10 cdepatie: the code for that is in describe.cc. Note that code runs when you're not in game, and you probably only want to run it when the player is actually wielding a real weapon (rather than, say, a scroll) 15:24:15 I don't know I'd count myself as a newer player, but I still don't have the base-types properties memorized... It would be helpful for me. ;) 15:24:23 Comparing enchants could get weird later in the game though 15:24:25 "not in game" = help from the main menu screen 15:24:35 Cool, thanks 15:25:03 -!- johnny0 has joined ##crawl-dev 15:25:11 If you divide the displayed accuracy number by 4, it would also help reduce bad decision making. 15:25:25 That number is a lot bigger than impactful. 15:25:26 -!- vwvwvwv has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:25:29 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:25:52 the range of acc is like -6 to +6 15:26:03 dividing by 4 with integer math would lose a lot of precision.... 15:26:07 pblur_: /4 for a specific reason, or just to make it smaller? 15:26:43 but yeah, when a level of skill adds effectively 0.5 acc, it's generally not super meaningful 15:27:45 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:27:52 !source melee_attk 15:27:53 Can't find melee_attk. 15:27:55 well, if a +2 acc whip and a +4 acc short sword are effectively 4 skill levels of accuracy apart, that sounds like it's significant. I haven't fsimmed whips versus short swords on starting chars, but subjectively the latter does feel noticeably stronger 15:28:27 hmm where is the melee attack code again? 15:28:35 !melee-attack.cc 15:28:36 melee_attack.cc.... 15:28:44 !source melee-attack.cc 15:28:45 Can't find melee-attack.cc. 15:28:49 !source melee_attack.cc 15:28:50 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/melee_attack.cc 15:31:20 -!- Cerpin has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 15:36:28 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:29 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 15:39:23 Lasty_ Just to rescale it smaller. 15:39:50 Lasty_: Around a factor of 4 seems like it'd bring the effect more in line with the actual impact of it. 15:40:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:40:37 Lasty_: Of course, the tricky bit is that slaying already exists and impacts that number 1 to 1 (I think. Maybe it's 1 to d1) 15:42:17 latter 15:42:35 i'm actually looking into how you could make enchantment function the same as base damage right now 15:43:21 chequers: would you make enchantment scale with base damage? That'd be a huge player buff. 15:43:21 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:43:24 You'd have to halve all slaying generation, or it would be somewhat OP. 15:43:30 that is to say, scale with the things that scale base damage 15:43:40 I don't get what you mean 15:43:56 Base damage gets multiplied by strength/dex, weapon skill, and fighting skill. 15:44:01 Enchantment damage doesn't. 15:44:05 I thought slaying went on before fighting and weapon skill multiplicative modifiers? 15:44:13 Hmm OK 15:44:13 ah yeah, that's what I'm looking at 15:44:28 chequers: but what's your intended goal? 15:44:44 make enchantment function the same as base damage 15:44:50 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 15:44:55 I think it makes the combat logic clearer for players 15:44:58 sounds like this would make weapon damage much more comparable 15:45:05 Same as in multiplied by all the same things? That's what I'm saying would be a huge player buff 15:45:15 didn't it work like that ages ago? 15:45:30 Also, would this apply to +slaying? +slaying is currently identical to weapon enchantment 15:45:40 Lasty_: well, that calculation could change, which is what I'm looking at 15:45:44 yes, also to slay 15:45:53 or was it just slaying that worked like that, I don't remember 15:45:57 Couldn't you scale it down by some amount such thet it's the same power level late-midgame, more potent lategame and weaker early? 15:45:58 specifically to all effects in player_apply_slaying_bonuses 15:46:37 -!- Nattefrost has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:47:24 chequers: Are you saying the goal is to 1) keep player power relatively the same while 2) making the effects clearer? 15:47:34 yep 15:48:46 a dumb way to rebalance this would just be reducing the frequency of enchant weapon/magnitude of +slay enchants 15:48:47 chequers: Gotcha. I think the challenge you'll find is that if you adjust the calculations such that a char w/ a +9 weapon isn't significantly changed, you'd probably badly nerf a player with a +0 weapon; if you balance around +0 weapons, +9 weapons will be greatly buffed. 15:49:18 Lasty_: agree, you can't make a change this big and effect things minimally even if it's a goal 15:49:26 chequers: honestly, I think you'd have to -- change enchantments to max out at +4 and cut EW generation to about a third. 15:49:50 and then redo the way artefact plusses are handed out ofc 15:49:52 well you could just like double the base damage numbers or something 15:50:13 instead of cutting enchantments to half that is 15:50:23 I don't actually mind the idea of making EW/+slay more "meaningful" (read: smaller numbers are more meaningful) 15:50:33 iirc this was also discussed a bunch when slaying and enchantments were made the same 15:50:47 when was that? approximately 15:50:55 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:51:09 MarvinPA: did any interesting alternatives come out of that discussion? 15:51:13 Medar: wouldn't that require a hp buff? 15:51:20 not that i recall, it was a while ago though 15:51:20 ??changelog 15:51:21 changelog[1/3]: http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=blob;f=crawl-ref/docs/changelog.txt - often incomplete and/or out of date, see {changelog[3]} for an exhaustive list of changes. 15:51:43 0.15 15:51:44 ! 15:51:57 0.15 it looks like 15:52:07 %git 4ba6018 15:52:07 07Lasty02 * 0.16-a0-3751-g4ba6018: Adjust stat/slaying and multi-pip resistance logic 10(10 months ago, 1 file, 95+ 98-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4ba601810188 15:52:11 good change 15:52:48 :D 15:53:13 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53:50 it's been a while since artefact overhaul. Is everyone happy w/ the items currently being generated? 15:54:00 man I can't actually see this commit in the changelog 15:54:02 The numbers haven't been changed in quite a while 15:54:58 Lasty_: i don't think the players are happy with it :P 15:56:40 -!- pblur_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:56:44 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-31-gd058a8d: Fix a changelog typo 10(5 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d058a8d1433a 15:57:02 important 0.17-blocking fix there 15:57:12 Kolbur: which aspect? 15:57:19 better backport it then :) 15:57:25 slaying and enchantment being the same was like 0.8 15:57:33 Kolbur: I haven't really heard any complaints 15:57:35 yeah, 0.8 sounds about right 15:57:42 it's in the 0.15 changelog 15:57:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:57:54 %git 74c805e4 15:57:54 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-1532-g74c805e: Changelog through 0.15-a0-1526-g60de0e4 10(1 year, 5 months ago, 1 file, 69+ 42-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/74c805e4aa8d 15:58:00 no, that was each one being merged itself 15:58:02 chequers: Are you sure that isn't when accuracy/damage got combined into Slaying? 15:58:13 from acc/damage to +extra 15:58:21 ah yeah that makes sense, i thought 0.15 seemed way to recently 15:58:22 oh i see what you're saying 15:58:23 +stuff 15:58:52 i guess i need to learn objstat for testing these generation changes 15:59:07 definitely helps 15:59:30 UGH, responsibility 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:22 %git eb71eb6f778cc1bedc 16:00:23 07elliptic02 * 0.10-a0-1371-geb71eb6: Make slaying work like extra weapon enchantment. 10(4 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 7+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eb71eb6f778c 16:00:30 Lasty_: I like the new random artefacts. Personally would maybe consider toning it down a tiny bit with (numbers, and number of properties), finding insane items seems maybe a little bit too commonplace. 16:00:37 oh 0.10 16:00:59 Lasty_: it was more of a joke 16:01:02 Medar: seems reasonable. I was thinking of something similar 16:01:05 Kolbur: ah 16:01:18 I was thinking it's always nice when artifacts have a negative property on them 16:01:28 though there almost no artefacts anymore without a downside 16:01:45 and a lot with one or more massive ones 16:02:17 well it's not so nice when it makes them unusuable 16:02:18 Medar: specifically, I was thinking it'd be good to reduce max properties slightly and add an extra affix to armour that could generate normally -- no more +0 robe "Plog" {rC+} 16:03:12 I have no idea how the generation works, but sounds reasonable. 16:03:30 tweaking max properties downwards while keeping quality the same could be interesting. You would end up with more items with Dex+/-12 16:04:20 Dex-12 doesn't sound very interesting 16:04:41 i definitely don't think the extreme stat bonuses should be any more common than they are currently 16:06:30 -!- Balkanpizza has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:06:45 -!- Kolbur has left ##crawl-dev 16:06:49 -!- hali has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:07:03 also i don't think generating armour that could generate normally is necessarily a problem 16:07:21 a randart +8 plate mail {rF+} is still a +8 plate mail that doesn't require 8 scrolls of ea 16:08:12 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 16:08:51 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 16:09:06 -!- Croases has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:09:59 Stable (0.17) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-b1-22-g5359643 16:12:36 !source artefact.cc 16:12:36 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/artefact.cc 16:13:00 Lasty_: now I'm blaming you for inflicting this dart board god post thing upon me 16:13:09 chequers: currently -stat properties are "-2 - random2(4)" 16:13:25 gammafunk: ... if it's getting dumb we can revoke permission 16:14:13 MarvinPA: I suppose that's true, and I suppose it's different-y also in that it can't get to +10 ever 16:14:47 no it's not at all offensive, so it'd be unfair....it's just like bad fanfic...I was expecting jokes 16:15:13 solution: write some jokes 16:15:36 wheals: a goblin, a quokka, and a giant newt come into view.... 16:16:00 that would be ashenzari, i assume 16:16:11 i don't get why it's in the dart board and not cyc 16:16:49 I think permission was asked to post there since it was thematically related to CSDC 16:17:45 -!- iafm has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:20:59 MarvinPA: I was under the impression it was meant to be a teaser for CSDC 16:21:07 %git 0.17-b1 16:21:07 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-b1: List the final 0.17 version in the changelog 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b0deb92d8f73 16:21:10 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:21:38 Tho pblur is in the channel, you can check w/ him about it :) 16:23:14 -!- FireSight has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:23:36 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:23:54 were there Fedhas changes post 0.17-b1 ? 16:24:10 I thought all the changes were in 0.17 16:24:12 -!- Zorgdub has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:24:14 yeah 16:24:25 -!- vwvwvwv has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:24:38 maybe the explosions not affecting plants thing? dunno when that was 16:24:51 that's the only recent fedhas change i can think of 16:24:53 that was like 3+ weeks ago 16:24:53 MarvinPA: your change to demonic guardian? 16:24:57 yeah 16:24:57 yeah that's in 0.17-b1 16:25:39 oh also making growth uncancellable (imo that is a bad change, also that one's probably a few weeks old too) 16:26:57 that sounds bad. 16:27:07 %git :/[gG]rowth 16:27:08 07reaverb02 * 0.17-a0-2210-g2f3d35e: Refactor Fedhas' growth ability a bit further. 10(9 days ago, 1 file, 8+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f3d35e6c7f3 16:27:08 it's bad for gozag but the alternative to uncancellable abilities there is also bad/possibly worse 16:27:21 %git 5a5d57c8fdc4fad58bdaf7aa1cb5d04c9bfa34bc 16:27:21 07ebering02 {|amethyst} * 0.18-a0-21-g5a5d57c: Fedhas forgives confused enemies killing plants (#9917) 10(3 days ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5a5d57c8fdc4 16:27:21 i'm not convinced that's the case for growth at all really 16:27:24 that one 16:28:22 %git 7c4668 16:28:22 07reaverb02 * 0.17-a0-2209-g7c46689: Don't let players abort Fedhas' growth ability (smitnitch) 10(9 days ago, 3 files, 12+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7c466894c91d 16:28:22 I'm not a fan of uncancellable Gozag abilities, but the design of the god does make that hard. Maybe could just keep the same offer up until one of the options is selected... 16:28:42 Lasty_: that's what the previous behaviour was, and it's also bad 16:28:56 MarvinPA: yeah 16:28:58 because then every time you use an ability you have to check what your next set of options will be 16:28:58 I buy that 16:29:04 ugh, true 16:29:35 I suppose you could let the cost increment over time after checking but before use 16:29:43 but then you punish accidental button presses 16:29:57 . . . Gozag makes me sad so often 16:29:58 yeah, that introduces a whole new weird mechanic too 16:30:04 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 16:31:10 -!- FireSight has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:32:58 -!- Almacia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:33:17 make the price per invocation like 50 and increase the potion multiplier 16:33:30 still charge about 1k per potion but you allow rerolling 16:34:14 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:36:59 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:37:24 Lasty_: what's your big objection to G these days? 16:37:31 Stop flying option missing while wearing boots of flying 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10048 by Medar 16:39:06 -!- siepu has quit [Client Quit] 16:39:23 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:39:40 gammafunk: well, I haven't played G for a while, so I may be way off-base. My historical objections were 1) potion petition can be strong but can also drain a ton of "piety" and completely fail to offer the possibility of doing what you need, making it a bad emergency power; 2) shop pricing and placement encourages really strange behavior and feels punishingly arbitrary and spoilery; 3) no chunks + food shops can be really irritating on some chars, an 16:40:17 4) God is weak overall. 5) I don't like the idea of spending a ton of piety to randomly make a few situations easier without any control over which sorts of situations they are (bribe branch). 16:40:44 Lasty_: shop placement was changed to place shops at player's feet always 16:40:50 When playing the god, I feel like I'm playing an atheist with slightly better equipment than normal and an irritating food challenge. 16:40:59 gammafunk: that's definitely an improvement 16:41:28 i have been toying with sending in a patch where gozag just rewards gold on kill, rather than goldifying corpses 16:41:46 well that'd be a big nerf to his passive, probably 16:41:59 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:41:59 no, the passive is already centered on the player 16:42:06 The one thing I really like about Gozag is OoDing a golden dragon. 16:42:14 the passive doesn't actually look at corpses any more either 16:42:14 Don't take that away from me. 16:42:19 oh ok 16:42:26 it's been a while since I've won G 16:42:27 yeah that is the best aspect 16:42:37 Lasty_: re 1, do you mean "ok i really need berserk/brilliance/hw now, but damn none of the three have it"? 16:42:44 IMO, Bribe Branch should be converted to a mass enslavement spell that you can use on demand 16:42:56 i imagine being able to place food shops at your feet gets rid of most of the annoyingness of the food conduct too, not that it even felt like a conduct last time i played a non-mummy of gozag 16:43:10 I know that's exactly the opposite of how dpeg feels about it tho 16:43:22 are food shops still guaranteed? 16:43:24 chequers: yeah, exactly 16:43:41 chequers: if you need anything in specific, you should always just drink the one in your inventory 16:43:58 also potion petition being a bad emergency power seems like a weird complaint 16:44:08 since yes, it's not an emergency power so in emergencies it's not great 16:44:08 I submitted a patch to guarantee curing/hw in the first potion, once 16:44:10 chequers: it's really only good if you're already engaged in a fight but the fight isn't that bad and then something suddenly makes it much worse. 16:44:22 but not worse enough that you want to leave. 16:44:31 it's oka heroism, not a panic button 16:44:48 MarvinPA: but it's incredibly expensive instead of really cheap 16:44:49 heroism costs 1 piety 16:45:07 pp costs about 1k and you earn 30k in a 3-rune 16:45:22 AFAIK there's a chance that all the potions include Berserk, which would be terrible in a lot of situations... 16:45:44 !lg * g won urune=3 x=avg(goldfound) thisyear 16:45:45 111 games for * (g won urune=3 thisyear): avg(goldfound)=33323.15 16:46:02 IMO, I'd pay 1k to be able to drink the one potion I want to in an emergency instead of being forced to drink three that I get little choice over 16:46:02 yeah, that's possible, but it would be extremely rare 16:46:14 well potion petition is also really cheap so i still don't get the complaint here really 16:46:17 s/emergency/dangerous situation/ 16:46:41 MarvinPA: maybe it got way cheaper after my last Gozag game 16:46:49 also finesse was the one i meant but same thing 16:47:18 do you really think it's cheap though? you can use it 30 times in a 3-rune 16:47:30 he said he meant finesse 16:47:35 which isn't all that cheap 16:47:53 I mean it's still reasonably cheap, but it's not heroism cheap 16:47:57 I just don't like the mechanic of definitely burning piety to maybe get a useful buff so that maybe your next fight gets easier without you using one of the potions you already are carrying with you. 16:48:33 hah. i forgot you can get flight as a potion randomly 16:48:46 admittedly, I tend to go pretty easy on potions in general, so I almost always have the potion I need when I need a potion 16:49:01 I suppose for players that use potions constantly it's nice to have a way to ease the pressure on your potion stack 16:49:18 well, conversely you no longer have to go easy on potions 16:49:46 in my experience it gives you a whole load more might/agility/haste over the course of a game for a relatively low amount of gold 16:50:06 which feels more than useful enough to me 16:51:17 i'm not sure it's bad, but that might be because I mostly play mifi and you generally get a might/hw agi/hw combo for about 1k 16:51:29 MarvinPA: that may well just be a YMMV sort of thing 16:51:36 in which case it's my problem, not G's 16:51:47 I do think it's a bit expensive though, it's sort of finesse level price for something that's not finesse-level good 16:51:49 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:52:47 well if you get haste + another useful pot 16:52:55 MarvinPA: as far as I can tell, the fun of G is in getting really great stuff in shops or in exploding high-mass monsters. 16:53:01 it's more like finesse-level good or better 16:53:05 MarvinPA: but maybe others are getting fun experiences from the god in other ways 16:53:09 i think gozag is probably good enough 16:53:17 that might not be very good overall 16:53:25 gammafunk: don't forget haste is really expensive 16:53:45 but there are other gods like sif that people find disappointing 16:53:52 but yeah the power level is definitely better than finesse with good combos 16:53:58 I doubt the cost differential matters there 16:54:55 The funny thing about G is that you have all this gold and can spam this lower-level ability 16:55:11 -!- Vidiiot has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:55:12 but I think players still thend to think of gold in terms of "must shave for the rare epic item in a shop" 16:55:16 The fact that PP only gives powers you can get from potions is a notable downside relative to finesse or heroism, tho -- an Oka follower could use Finesse, Heroism, !might, !resistance, and !agility all together, but a G follower only gets the latter three 16:55:27 must shave is really funny typo 16:55:30 but I meant must save 16:55:48 ?/hairy 16:55:49 Matching terms (1): how_hairy_am_i; entries (3): elven_halls[2] | snorg[1] | xcrawl[2] 16:55:50 i don't really find myself buying that many shops until i just really have way too much gold 16:55:56 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:56:08 -!- gressup_ is now known as gressup 16:56:38 yeah probably a lot of people use G without thinking about when to use the potion ability (that would be my hypothesis based on how I see many players use potions) 16:56:55 well I think the god design encourages that. shop is expensive and then bribe branch is beyond that, if bribe branch was useful there would be massive cost pressure on g players 16:56:57 I suppose what I should be evaluating is "what does Gozag give a weak/unlucky char?", and if you just use money for potion petition, you could handle a few extra dangerous situations in the pre-Lair to Lair area of the game 16:57:03 also haven't played with new bribe yet, maybe that would also soak up some of the ridiculous excess 16:57:31 I'm not sure how quickly PP costs scale 16:57:38 the cost doesnt go up does it 16:57:40 they don't scale 16:57:42 that was a long ago change 16:57:52 <|amethyst> and they're nowhere near 1000 gold either 16:57:52 oh, really? That seems like a fair buff. 16:57:57 also the first one is free 16:58:00 Definitely changes how I feel about it. 16:58:01 thats why i feel he is good enough 16:58:01 <|amethyst> [a] - 360 gold - heal wounds, haste and flight 16:58:01 <|amethyst> [b] - 500 gold - haste and resistance 16:58:01 <|amethyst> [c] - 351 gold - heal wounds, curing and berserk rage 16:58:23 is the base cost 500 16:58:24 not 400 16:58:32 yeah, 1k did sound really high to me, but again I haven't played G much recently 16:58:34 The first one being free is huge for the early game 16:58:51 <|amethyst> "base" cost is 400, but that just means you're guaranteed to get one offer for 400 gold or less 16:59:05 oh 16:59:14 <|amethyst> another use: 16:59:15 <|amethyst> [a] - 750 gold - heal wounds, magic, haste, agility and flight 16:59:15 <|amethyst> [b] - 648 gold - haste, agility, flight and resistance 16:59:15 <|amethyst> [c] - 320 gold - heal wounds, curing and magic 16:59:23 oh yeah.. i forgot the pricing wasn't doubled, heh 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:06:19 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:09:47 ummmmm excellent though "Octopoid Aeon" is as a title, who removed "Ticktocktomancer" ????? 17:09:55 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:12 !blame pleasingfungus 17:10:13 I pronounce pleasingfungus... Guilty! 17:11:07 well i have a ticktocktomancer win at least so maybe it's just barely forgiveable 17:11:14 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:12:08 <_miek> !blame3 feinburg 17:12:09 feeeeeiiiiinbuuuuurg 17:12:21 <|amethyst> s/u/e/g 17:12:40 <_miek> oh man i always make that mistkae 17:12:43 i blame the devs! and feinberg! 17:13:17 <_miek> now I can't make jokes about a feinburger 17:13:34 at least petrodigitator managed to survive this commit too 17:13:48 <_miek> http://www.twitch.tv/twitchinstallsarchlinux 17:13:57 that's an excellent weird crawl nonsense title 17:19:52 -!- Ququman has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:23:57 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 17:27:45 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:28:36 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-32-g76da368: Adjust Gozag passive ability description 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/76da368aa8f4 17:28:36 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.18-a0-33-g9e10395: Don't let gold distraction affect firewood 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e1039572977 17:28:38 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.17] * 0.17-b1-23-g47ac0ae: Fix a changelog typo (cherry picked from commit d058a8d1433a8cf7c28af2e1e3de3cb604ee712e) 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/47ac0ae1ea7a 17:28:38 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.17] * 0.17-b1-24-ge885ff4: Adjust Gozag passive ability description 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e885ff422a34 17:28:38 03MarvinPA02 07[stone_soup-0.17] * 0.17-b1-25-g6d8775f: Don't let gold distraction affect firewood 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6d8775fc1024 17:30:04 toadstool (05P) | Spd: 070 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-4 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 03plant, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 03poison, 12drown, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 17:30:04 %??toadstool 17:30:27 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 17:30:35 maybe pillars of salt and blocks of ice should be 0 speed 17:30:44 pillar of salt shaped pillar of salt (168) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 17:30:44 %??pillar of salt ; bardiche 17:31:10 !fight pillar of salt spells:fire_storm.200.wizard v ogre 17:31:23 yeah i think someone suggested that when it came up last (i forget who discovered this) 17:31:28 !fight pillar of salt spells:fire_storm.200.wizard v ogre 17:31:46 heh 17:31:56 i guess without giving them spells or something there's no difference 17:32:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:32:47 i guess there's no reason for firewood ever to not be speed 0, probably 17:33:46 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:35:19 !lg * s=title thisyear 17:35:22 960959 games for * (thisyear): 99429x Skirmisher, 57780x Sneak, 52560x Ruffian, 47250x Magician, 46730x Insei, 37139x Chopper, 37057x Conjurer, 29335x Ducker, 28533x Shield-Bearer, 26137x Cudgeler, 25900x Firebug, 21596x Slasher, 20285x Grave Robber, 19540x Cleaver, 18921x Charmwright, 18079x Chiller, 17221x Digger, 16259x Poker, 14863x Covert, 14723x Covered, 14517x Caller, 14006x Stinger, 13418x... 17:35:24 !lg * s=title thisyear won 17:35:26 10212 games for * (thisyear won): 1374x Conqueror, 1121x Slayer, 486x Axe Maniac, 324x Archmage, 318x Acrobat, 302x Invulnerable, 256x Wrestler, 253x Executioner, 218x Ninja, 215x Intangible, 210x Grand Master, 197x Impregnable, 190x Warrior, 185x Sensei, 179x Skullcrusher, 160x Middleweight Champion, 159x Imperceptible, 158x Sorcerer, 158x Heavyweight Champion, 140x Phalangite, 135x Ruinous, 134x... 17:35:36 !lg * s=title thisyear won 0=. 17:35:37 Broken query near '=.' 17:35:42 !lg * s=title thisyear won o=-N 17:35:43 10212 games for * (thisyear won): Purifying Orc, Shapeless Demigod, Ghoulish Catastrophe, Draconian Barricade, Cat of Death, Magician, Traitor, Merfolkian Blade, Shapeless Ogre, Ghoulish Barricade, Human Arbalest, Contaminator, Vine Porcupine, Human Ballista, Pious, Merry Gargoyle, Fruitful, Hasty, Blocker, Thrower, Purifying Ant, Merfolkian Disaster, Slicer, Merfolkian Aeon, Centaur Cataclysm, Na... 17:36:36 when do you get the species added? 17:36:44 -!- cdepatie has quit [] 17:37:00 it's just for certain specific titles 17:37:12 !lg * title~~cat_of s=title 17:37:13 7 games for * (title~~cat_of): 7x Cat of Death 17:37:17 good title 17:37:51 !lg * title~~ant s=title 17:37:52 22948 games for * (title~~ant): 22286x Miscreant, 236x Merchant of Misery, 224x Servant, 65x Enchanter, 46x Vigilant, 33x Distorting Ant, 27x Combatant, 19x Brilliant, 4x Purifying Ant, 2x Ignorant, Marksant, Shapeless Ant, Rampant, Ant of Death, Clairvoyant, Placeless Ant 17:38:07 fr: combat ant 17:38:50 !lg * vmsg~~khufu's_death_curse 17:38:50 1. honeybadger the Metallomancer (L23 GrEE of Ashenzari), slain by a reaper (a +2 scythe of slicing) (summoned by Khufu's death curse) on Crypt:2 on 2015-10-13 03:57:34, with 407363 points after 54187 turns and 8:33:35. 17:38:53 at last 17:40:55 -!- Syndicu__s has joined ##crawl-dev 17:44:43 -!- Syndicus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:46:28 -!- Wirewraith has quit [Quit: BYE] 17:47:09 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:54:06 -!- vwvwvwv has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:55:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:28 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:08:11 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:09:51 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.18-a0-33-g9e10395 (34) 18:10:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:14:42 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:16:21 -!- aves has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:16:41 -!- wHATEver is now known as Guest11517 18:18:00 -!- Syndicu__s is now known as Syndicus 18:18:06 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:18:34 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:20 -!- cdepatie has joined ##crawl-dev 18:19:51 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:21:37 -!- MIC132 has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:27 <|amethyst> gammafunk: re your message about the bounce... it looks like mumra's address has stopped working, or the server is down. I can verify from here that the only MX record points to a hostname (mail.urstreams.com) that gives NXDOMAIN 18:30:39 ah 18:30:47 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I didn't get a bounce when I sent my mail 18:30:47 !seen mumra 18:30:48 I last saw mumra at Sun Jun 28 22:40:50 2015 UTC (18w 3d 49m 57s ago) quitting, saying 'Ping timeout: 272 seconds'. 18:30:59 <|amethyst> which makes me think this might be just a transient problem 18:31:49 well, I know mumra is not really active these days 18:32:06 but it's not hard to ignore bounce messages either 18:32:40 depends on if the sysadmin in question minds receiving reports from users :) 18:32:44 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:32:56 I guess problems like this must happen a lot for mailing lists 18:33:25 <|amethyst> most mailing lists would be a real mailing list and handle the bounces itself 18:33:44 <|amethyst> this one's just a mail alias because I was too lazy to set up a list manager 18:34:15 -!- Tarquinn has joined ##crawl-dev 18:34:39 <|amethyst> if we want a private actually-a-mailing-list, IMO we should go with some provider like sourceforge (assuming they offer private lists for projects) 18:34:49 I bet it's just a forwarding through your hotmail account that you have set up in MS Outlook 18:34:55 <|amethyst> that would also help with things going to spam folder 18:35:18 <|amethyst> since sourceforge can afford to pay the e.g. hotmail "I'm not a spammer" tax 18:35:54 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:35:59 yeah, I wonder what good free private mailing list options are out there 18:36:14 Moving anything to sourceforge these days sounds...dubious 18:37:07 -!- cdepatie has quit [] 18:37:55 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:41:39 -!- Guest11517 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:42:56 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:48:42 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:01 mailing lists are dead -- set up a slack team! 18:49:57 -!- Voker57 has quit [] 18:53:16 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 18:53:55 we should move to usenet 18:54:15 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:54:27 maybe we could start a crawl BBS as well 18:56:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:56:45 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:47 -!- mamgar has quit [Quit: Exit Stage Left] 19:05:03 * Grunt appears! 19:05:41 * gammafunk gestures. Grunt is abjured! Grunt disappears in a puff of smoke. 19:06:03 * Grunt reappears nearby! He doesn't seem very happy. 19:06:13 -!- MIC132 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:07:30 -!- Tarquinn has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:08:53 -!- TwoSpot has quit [] 19:09:40 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:52 -!- mineral has quit [Client Quit] 19:11:49 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 19:12:43 -!- read has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 19:13:07 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 19:20:50 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 19:24:32 %git HEAD^{/Kyria} 19:24:32 Could not find commit HEAD^{/Kyria} (git returned 128) 19:24:33 set your modem to parity checked 19200 baud and dial 1-800-DG-CRAWL 19:24:41 %git HEAD^{/Kryia} 19:24:41 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-1952-ge2ddec9: Change Kryia's to double device heal and disable for DD (|amethyst) 10(5 weeks ago, 6 files, 18+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e2ddec9b3308 19:24:55 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:25:01 -!- Rast-- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:25:02 -!- Rast- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:25:59 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 19:26:06 dang I wonder what the costs would be for such a ridiculous setup 19:26:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 19:27:46 -!- Badgee has quit [Quit: Make me feel like I'm the only girl in the woooooooooorld~] 19:36:26 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:37:57 oh, has anyone had any deep thoughts about a release title? 19:38:17 I have a feeling Squaring the Circle is going to win by default this time 19:44:23 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:44:26 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:46:59 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:49:17 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:06:12 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:09:38 %git :/changelog 20:09:39 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-b1-23-g47ac0ae: Fix a changelog typo (cherry picked from commit d058a8d1433a8cf7c28af2e1e3de3cb604ee712e) 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/47ac0ae1ea7a 20:10:16 Out of Control 20:11:52 dang. 20:12:04 -!- FireSight has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 20:15:14 wheals: oh, not bad 20:15:29 hrm, wonder if we can fit "square" in there somehow 20:15:42 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:15:57 Too Square to Control 20:16:00 nah 20:16:11 yeah it's hard to modify Out of Control 20:16:21 also, did we ever ad the ctele highlight 20:16:40 nope 20:17:14 !blame3 gammafunk 20:17:15 gaaaaammaaaaafuuuuunk 20:17:26 I guess we could also add "Many new maps" or something like that, but that's kind of stretching it a bit 20:17:36 Many new level maps 20:18:03 !send Grunt One-time changelog pads 20:18:04 Sending One-time changelog pads to Grunt. 20:18:09 <3 20:18:14 * gammafunk encrypts Grunt! 20:18:19 * Grunt resists! 20:18:35 should have use a bigger key... 20:18:41 *used 20:19:36 honestly I think something like "Many new level maps" would be ok, although maybe it's too vauge since it doesn't even correspond to an actual changelog entry 20:19:40 although that too is fixable 20:19:56 but we add a bunch of new "level maps" every release 20:23:27 -!- rj54x has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:24:28 hm, not reporting milestones in the lobby or via sizzell - what aren't i running? 20:26:53 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:26:53 crawl-inotify-dglwhere.pl is running and so is sizzel.pl 20:27:00 sizzell.pl* 20:29:36 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 20:30:10 So here's some crawl trivia: when naming randomly-generated spellbooks, there's certain book "owners" (e.g. "Boris's Compendium of Crystalline Death") that are only associated with 'highlevel' books. 20:30:29 What do you suppose makes a randomly generated spellbook qualify as 'highlevel'? 20:31:58 it has a level 7+ spell and usually doesn't have a level 1 spell 20:32:07 I remember finding this code when I was refactoring something <.< 20:33:07 close! 20:33:17 bool highlevel = (highest_level >= 7 + random2(3) && (lowest_level > 1 || coinflip())); 20:33:35 sometimes books need to have level 9 spells to qualify as highlevel. Why? 20:33:39 Because. 20:35:05 !send make_name PleasingFungus 20:35:06 Sending PleasingFungus to make_name. 20:35:23 !source itemname.cc:164 20:35:23 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/itemname.cc#l164 20:35:37 I'm really wondering what this is intended to do 20:35:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:37:17 oh, I guess it makes it so you can't have "The Boris's Foo of Bar" 20:37:29 but can still have "The Compendium of Death" or w/e 20:38:02 !blame3 Because reasons. 20:38:02 Beeeeecaaaaauuuuuseeeee reeeeeaaaaasooooons. 20:39:02 nice 20:42:01 !blame3 PleasingFungus 20:42:01 PleeeeeaaaaasiiiiingFuuuuunguuuuus 20:42:03 !blame3 PleeeeeaaaaasiiiiingFuuuuunguuuuus 20:42:04 PleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiingFuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus 20:42:08 aaaa 20:42:14 !blame3 PleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiingFuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunguuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuus 20:42:15 PleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaasiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiingFuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu... 20:42:17 <3 20:42:53 Grunt: I forget, what is your irc setup again, something like irssi and tmux? 20:42:57 correct 20:43:08 irssi-in-tmux 20:43:10 yeah I need to try that, so I can copy-paste without a mouse more easilly 20:43:19 copy and pasting helps to fill up irc 20:43:27 !blame3 copy and pasting helps to fill up irc 20:43:27 cooooopyyyyy aaaaand paaaaastiiiiing heeeeelps tooooo fiiiiill uuuuup iiiiirc 20:43:32 !blame3 cooooopyyyyy aaaaand paaaaastiiiiing heeeeelps tooooo fiiiiill uuuuup iiiiirc 20:43:33 cooooooooooooooooooooooooopyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand paaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaastiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiing heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelps tooooooooooooooooooooooooo fiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiill uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuup iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiirc 20:43:52 (I still use my mouse to to that f t r but I don't *need* to) 20:44:14 Yeah there's plenty of times I want to copy or paste lines for non-spam purposes 20:44:45 somethin like "move to a line and open any url at that line" would be kind of cool 20:44:54 maybe "open last url seen" 20:45:35 maybe that would be best as an irssi plugin or something 20:56:29 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:56:39 .echo $(blame3 $(blame3 $(blame3 PleasingFungus ))) 20:56:40 $(blame3 $(blame3 $(blame3 PleasingFungus ))) 20:56:42 hm 20:56:50 nice try 20:56:53 .echo $(blame3 $(blame3 $(blame3 PleasingFungus))) 20:56:53 $(blame3 $(blame3 $(blame3 PleasingFungus))) 20:57:07 .echo ${blame3 ${blame3 ${blame3 PleasingFungus}}} 20:57:08 ${blame3 ${blame3 ${blame3 PleasingFungus}}} 20:57:10 haha 20:57:10 rip 20:57:17 no escape...! 20:57:57 !blame2 wheals 20:57:57 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 20:58:04 !blame2 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 20:58:05 wwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllllsssssssss 20:58:09 !blame2 wwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaalllllllllsssssssss 20:58:10 ww-keys activated 20:58:10 wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllsssssssssssssssssssssssssss 20:58:16 thanks Sequell 20:58:43 .echo $(!blame3 $(!blame3 $(!blame3 Grunt))) 20:58:43 Gruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunt 20:59:11 ! 20:59:11 .echo $(!blame2 $(!blame2 $(!blame2 $(!blame2 Grunt)))) 20:59:12 GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuunnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnntttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt... 20:59:21 .echo $(!blame2 $(!blame2 $(!blame2 $(!blame2 wheals)))) 20:59:22 wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll... 20:59:29 ...to be continued 20:59:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 20:59:42 ... and 152 more commits 20:59:46 ha 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:04:05 fr: give Sequell commit powers 21:05:10 -!- njorth has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:06:37 !time 21:06:38 Time: Nov 05, 2015, 02:06:37 AM, UTC. The 2015 0.17 tournament starts in 1 day, 17 hours, 53 minutes and 22 seconds. 21:07:47 still time to merge newlogo >.> 21:07:54 <.< 21:08:10 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08:17 !commitby Sequell Give Sequell phenomenal commit powers. 21:08:18 3Sequell 0.17-a0-1999-gcea0986: Give Sequell phenomenal commit powers. 10(in the future, 42 files, 777+ 666-) 13http://s-z.org/neil/git/commit.png?p=crawl.git;a=commitdiff;h=cea0986 21:08:26 !merge ontoclasm Grunt 21:08:36 Gruntoclasm 21:08:46 also, I'm gonna note that we've never shied away from making art changes at the last moment. 21:08:49 aka Qazlal 21:08:50 ??ontoclasm[itanic 21:08:51 ontoclasm[2/20]: !learn edit ontoclasm[2] s|.*| learn add ontoclasm ontoclasm[2/2]: _ontoclasm_: The ontoclasms merge to form a Titanic Ontoclasm! 21:09:06 remember back during the great spell icon rework? 21:09:10 good times.... 21:09:12 DCSS 0.17: We Have a New Logo 21:10:28 really it's just because i personally am awful at timing 21:10:45 feature freeze its and i'm like "oh man, time to make stuff" 21:10:51 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:11:47 DCSS 0.17: It's not lowercase, it's half-uncial 21:12:04 :) (the new logs definitely put a modern shine on the game) 21:12:10 s/logs/logos/ 21:12:18 xD 21:12:46 i'm working on merfolk suddenly too 21:12:57 clearly ontoclasm just wants to 21:12:59 !glasses 21:13:00 ( •_•)    ( •_•)>⌐■-■    (⌐■_■) 21:13:01 make a splash 21:13:30 seems a little 21:13:32 fishy 21:22:37 it would be a pretty funny last-minute change 21:23:03 oh the horatio caine glasses 21:23:15 http://cow.org/csi/ 21:25:31 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:27:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:36 hm 21:29:40 !seen nicolae 21:29:41 Sorry PleasingFungus, I haven't seen nicolae. 21:29:45 !seen nicolae~ 21:29:45 Sorry PleasingFungus, I haven't seen nicolae~. 21:29:47 hm 21:29:51 !seen nicolae- 21:29:51 I last saw nicolae- at Wed Nov 4 03:50:45 2015 UTC (22h 39m 5s ago) parting ##crawl-dev, saying 'chanpart'. 21:29:54 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:30:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 21:30:28 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 21:30:44 ty 21:30:57 !tell nicholae- When you were making nicolae_zot_draconian_monastery, did you realize that randbooks will have spells other than those specified unless you specify "numspells"? 21:30:58 Sorry PleasingFungus, I don't know who nicholae- is. 21:31:00 fuck 21:31:03 !tell nicolae- When you were making nicolae_zot_draconian_monastery, did you realize that randbooks will have spells other than those specified unless you specify "numspells"? 21:31:04 PleasingFungus: OK, I'll let nicolae- know. 21:32:19 hm 21:32:29 I'm trying to figure out if I can deprecate support for that behavior 21:32:44 since there seems to be exactly one vault that uses it intentionally (cigotuvi's wizlab) 21:32:58 and the code for it is quite bad 21:33:33 books that use spells: to specify only a spell that must be in the book and not the complete list? 21:33:55 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:35:14 Grunt: say again? 21:35:47 PleasingFungus: describe the behaviour that you find questionable 21:35:53 my interpretation is 21:36:05 you don't like the idea of spells: not specifying the complete list of allowable spells 21:36:40 Well. Okay, my starting point here is make_book_theme_randart(), which is a nine-argument function. 21:36:43 Yeah maybe we can decide like before the release 21:36:47 So I'm trying to reduce the number of arguments. 21:36:52 whether there are any issues for merging that logo 21:37:27 One possibility seemed to be making a separate function for "books with a random name but a fixed list of spells", which is what almost all of the current uses of "spells:" are trying to do. 21:37:30 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:37:32 I haven't heard anything other than some grumbles on crd wrt case, but that's kind of out of my pay grade 21:38:00 !send gammafunk a raise 21:38:00 Sending a raise to gammafunk. 21:38:11 (And then I could get rid of the incl_spells argument.) 21:38:27 PleasingFungus: hrm, on that note, I think some of them are trying to specifically include a given spell or spells and then supplement with random ones? 21:38:30 make_book_theme_randart(*book, disc, SPTYP_NONE, 5, 19, 21:38:30 SPELL_STATUE_FORM, "Roxanne"); 21:38:33 like my lehudib book does that 21:38:38 in the wizlab 21:38:41 what gammafunk said 21:38:43 wel not random ones 21:38:49 but random within the schools 21:38:50 there are more intentional uses of that behaviour than you think you are, is my point 21:39:00 hrm 21:39:02 *think there are 21:39:02 Yeah, than you think you are PleasingFungus! 21:39:04 possibly my grep is bad 21:39:11 !firestorm gammafunk 21:39:11 Grunt points at gammafunk and mumbles some strange words. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs gammafunk! 21:39:39 was grepping for "randbook.* spells:" but that won't find it if it's split across multiple lines 21:39:41 Who do you think you are, wheals? 21:39:49 yes. yes i am 21:39:58 also I strongly suspect that the Roxanne thing is the only use of the incl_spell argument :) 21:40:14 exact_level is used in exactly one place... 21:41:08 !source wizlab.des:1823 21:41:09 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/wizlab.des#l1823 21:41:16 that's what I was talking about, for reference 21:41:21 ah, yep, spells: was on the second line 21:41:25 so my little grepper didn't catch it 21:42:41 My Little Grepper 21:42:46 for the record, there are (at least) 13 uses of spells: that are trying to use it to specify an exact/exclusive list of contents, and somewhere between 2-6 that use it to specify a subset 21:42:54 as far as I can tell 21:43:15 yeah, I wonder about any books that are specifying an exact list, really 21:43:32 aside from things like "a spellbook only with apport" or something 21:44:15 most of them are like that 21:44:49 I dunno 21:44:55 I still think the design of that particular vault is rather 21:44:57 fetching 21:44:59 then there are a few annoyance-gimmick books in lugonu_bribe, and maybe the thematic books in nicolae_zot_draconian_monastery - but I don't know what the intention was there 21:45:22 actually 21:45:26 grunt is responsible for like half of these 21:45:34 that is a 1learn add 21:45:36 I feel it 21:45:36 !vault grunt_temple_overflow_magic_moments 21:45:37 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/altar/overflow.des#l2904 21:45:50 -!- cdepatie has joined ##crawl-dev 21:45:50 -!- cdepatie has quit [Changing host] 21:45:50 -!- cdepatie has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:04 basically 21:48:11 it seems to me that there should be three functions 21:48:48 a function that generates a set of spells for a randbook; a function that generates a name for a randbook; and a function that loads them into a book 21:48:55 something like that 21:50:33 * Grunt regenerates PleasingFungus. 21:51:13 imagine me doing a fedhas penance message 21:52:57 * Grunt demands penance! 21:54:07 * wheals appreciates PleasingFungus's contribution to the codebase. 21:55:17 Carry the Reflog Torch! Rouse the idle commits! 21:56:25 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:57:11 * Grunt rasps: "You have failed me. Welcome... reflog!" 21:58:37 * ontoclasm roars, "Revert them all!" 21:58:40 s/reflog/git gc/ 21:59:17 * Grunt says, "Bring me glory in commits!" 21:59:50 * Grunt says: "Let the commits of git tear it all down!" 21:59:56 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:08 * gammafunk says: "Let it end in lines removed!" 22:01:33 * gammafunk says: "Plusses are good!" 22:02:01 -!- poder0 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 22:02:09 * wheals whispers: "I know much code..." 22:02:24 I was going to propose "I know many diffs..." 22:02:27 but that works 22:02:29 * Grunt says: "Partake of my deletions. Partake of my additions." 22:03:02 * gammafunk says: "Drown the mailmap in a sea patches!" 22:03:10 1learn add devsprint 22:03:46 * wheals says: "Remove lines that you might gain great power!" 22:03:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:04:11 somebody should removethe merfolk leg-transformation thing 22:04:12 * Grunt says: "Spread the eternal code." 22:04:23 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:04:25 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:04:29 and just let them slither around on land the way naga do 22:04:35 * gammafunk says: "It's all in the branches!" 22:04:48 Linley says: "A new plaything!" 22:05:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 22:06:11 BLOOD AND SOULS FOR CRAWLCODE 22:07:12 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 22:07:13 * gammafunk says "Diffs for the Diff god!" 22:08:39 oh, weird 22:09:05 ? 22:09:09 in ctrl-o there are four columns of gods, but Jiyva is on a new line 22:09:10 oh 22:09:16 evil gods 22:09:27 no, non-temple gods 22:09:30 right 22:09:36 that's what I meant to say 22:09:45 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 22:10:01 oh, huh 22:10:05 J was only listed since I had pennance 22:10:07 So is the fedhas forgiving confused mushroom kills in trunk, 0.17 or neither or both? 22:10:08 FR: more non-temple gods 22:10:15 I'm not sure how the release goes 22:10:29 And I'm trying to be as permissive as reasonable on CSDC 22:11:07 Anything like that would be be in both, since we do a feature freeze and try not to allow gameplay changes in trunk until after t, HOWEVER 22:11:11 mistakes have been made in the past 22:11:17 not sure which commit that is 22:11:29 OK 22:11:38 Then 0.17 will be permitted 22:11:41 !send gammafunk mistakes 22:11:42 Sending mistakes to gammafunk. 22:12:06 ??abandoned shop 22:12:07 abandoned shop[1/1]: Either you bought out all of the shop's contents, you passed the tiny chance a shop was generated to not have any loot, or it's a flavour feature like a pre-dry fountain. 22:12:25 !learn e abandoned_shop s/, you passed the tiny chance a shop was generated to not have any loot,/ 22:12:26 abandoned shop[1/1]: Either you bought out all of the shop's contents or it's a flavour feature like a pre-dry fountain. 22:12:31 %git stone_soup-0.17 22:12:31 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-b1-25-g6d8775f: Don't let gold distraction affect firewood 10(5 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6d8775fc1024 22:12:39 heh 22:12:54 some good crawl messages from that bug, I bet 22:13:01 huh 22:13:08 I thought gold could only distract intelligent monsters? 22:13:19 !learn e abandoned_shop s/ or it's a flavour feature like a pre-dry fountain./, or the vault designer is trying to taunt you./ 22:13:20 abandoned shop[1/1]: Either you bought out all of the shop's contents, or the vault designer is trying to taunt you. 22:13:21 hm 22:13:22 NOPE 22:13:23 @??pillar_of_salt 22:13:23 pillar of salt shaped pillar of salt (168) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 1 | HP: 1 | AC/EV: 1/0 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | XP: 0 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 22:13:29 nice 22:13:31 @??block of ice 22:13:31 block of ice shaped block of ice (128) | Spd: 10 (07stationary) | HD: 3 | HP: 20-35 | AC/EV: 15/0 | 11non-living, 10items, 10doors, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire | XP: 0 | Sz: Medium | Int: brainless. 22:13:44 !taunt wheals 22:13:45 @??goblin pillar_of_salt 22:13:45 unknown monster: "goblin pillar_of_salt" 22:13:49 !insult PleasingFungus 22:13:59 @??pillar_of_salt goblin 22:13:59 unknown monster: "pillar_of_salt goblin" 22:14:03 well dangit 22:14:06 there is no syntax to do that 22:14:07 *should* it work on animal/near-mindless enemies? 22:14:19 I get the change from the predefined lists 22:14:23 I recall that racoons are super into shiny things 22:14:28 hm 22:14:33 !learn e abandoned_shop s/$/ (Or you abandoned Gozag and lost a shop, or the Abyss generator tried to copy a shop from another level.)/ 22:14:34 abandoned shop[1/1]: Either you bought out all of the shop's contents, or the vault designer is trying to taunt you. (Or you abandoned Gozag and lost a shop, or the Abyss generator tried to copy a shop from another level.) 22:14:46 PleasingFungus: it always has, i think; you're thinking of bribe 22:14:58 which is still intelligent-only afaik 22:15:01 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:15:15 I guess you could argue that if gold distracts animals 22:15:19 bribes would work on them 22:15:25 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:16:10 imo ask dpeg for the reasoning <.< 22:16:17 uh oh 22:16:26 He'll throw me in the oubliette for sure 22:16:57 (dpeg is actually David Bowie) 22:17:16 dbowg 22:17:48 ohh 22:17:51 I was getting confused, yes 22:17:52 thanks 22:18:13 !confuse PleasingFungus 22:18:28 * PleasingFungus feels bewildered! 22:21:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:23:52 <|amethyst> Syndicus: re the bot, did you update it to reference the new milestone files? 22:27:27 -!- wHATEver_ is now known as myp 22:28:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:24 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:32:01 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:36:15 -!- Laraso_ is now known as Laraso 22:39:34 |amethyst: i made these changes - https://github.com/crawl/sizzell/commit/8d10698 22:41:22 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:44:19 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:46:17 -!- serq has quit [Quit: suddenly gone...] 22:51:08 i don't believe the irc bot is the issue, the milestones don't appear/update in the lobby eithe 22:51:31 r 22:51:55 <|amethyst> for the lobby, there was a recent commit to dgamelaunch-config 22:52:25 <|amethyst> https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/commit/2d30d9ee 22:52:30 <|amethyst> hmm 22:52:47 <|amethyst> not certain that's it 22:52:52 i know thats not the right one but i know what youre getting at 22:52:57 ti include 0.17 22:53:00 to* 22:53:05 <|amethyst> yeah, the next commit is for 0.17 22:53:23 <|amethyst> https://github.com/neilmoore/dgamelaunch-config/commit/f5d877d 22:57:43 <|amethyst> (I mentioned the first commit because CAO and CSZO were missing that forever; but I don't look at webtiles much, and when I do it's usually a trunk game, so I never noticed 22:57:46 <|amethyst> ) 22:58:04 )?? 22:58:05 Pointy side outwards. 22:59:08 <|amethyst> (?? 22:59:08 When randomly spawned, is one of battleaxe, broad axe, flail, glaive, great mace, halberd, hand axe, long sword, morningstar, scimitar, short sword, trident, war axe. Hall of Blades spawns will almost always have egos. %?? dancing weapon ; (weapon) to see the stats; nearly all have good speed, ac, ev, and omni-resistances. 22:59:25 ok: ‿ 22:59:40 O‿O 22:59:41 ‿?? 22:59:45 :( 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:28 ‽‽crawl 23:00:35 it doesn't work ): 23:01:02 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:04:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:04:20 it didn't work, and it apparently broke wheals internet as well 23:05:55 Webtiles server stopped. 23:08:37 Webtiles server started. 23:09:18 -!- cdepatie has quit [] 23:09:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 23:11:26 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 23:16:58 Webtiles server stopped. 23:16:59 Webtiles server started. 23:21:19 <|amethyst> Syndicus: hm, I guess that wasn't it... I just abandoned Trog and no milestone listed 23:21:37 <|amethyst> in webtiles lobby 23:22:55 <|amethyst> fixed CDO's trunk page btw 23:23:05 <|amethyst> it now gives 0.18-a0 builds 23:23:42 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 23:29:57 cszo only reports milestones for trunk as well 23:30:04 <|amethyst> oh right 23:30:05 in the webtiles lobby at least 23:30:13 <|amethyst> I don't think I've restarted webtiles since applying that 23:34:05 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.18-a0-33-g9e10395 23:38:39 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:43:58 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:44:18 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:45:55 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:47:04 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 23:47:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:50:45 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:51:58 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:54:23 -!- Gorgo has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 23:54:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 23:55:24 %git 23:55:24 07MarvinPA02 * 0.18-a0-33-g9e10395: Don't let gold distraction affect firewood 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e1039572977 23:55:32 %git stone_soup-0.17 23:55:32 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-b1-25-g6d8775f: Don't let gold distraction affect firewood 10(7 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6d8775fc1024 23:55:36 oh, hrm 23:55:43 ? 23:55:51 I guess if you sort vlong, -b1 is ...oh it's after 23:55:54 so nevermind 23:55:59 I was wondering if things like 23:56:02 !kw newocs 23:56:03 Keyword: newocs => vlong>=0.17-a0-2223-gffb5b29 23:56:08 would work for 0.17 23:56:10 hrm 23:56:15 !lg * vlong~~0.17-b1 23:56:16 7591. Milbert the Changer (L3 FeTm), succumbed to an adder's poison on D:3 on 2015-11-05 04:56:08, with 52 points after 3028 turns and 0:14:53. 23:56:18 !lg * vlong~~0.17-b1 x=cv 23:56:19 7593. [cv=0.17-a] Milbert the Changer (L3 FeTm), succumbed to an adder's poison on D:3 on 2015-11-05 04:56:08, with 52 points after 3028 turns and 0:14:53. 23:56:22 thought so 23:56:30 <|amethyst> !lg * vlong>0.16-b1 s=cv 23:56:34 787256 games for * (vlong>0.16-b1): 490942x 0.17-a, 278258x 0.16, 13693x 0.18-a, 4363x 0.16-a 23:56:41 heh 23:56:52 good 0.18-a 23:57:13 oh wait that's exactly what it should do 23:57:42 !lg * newocs s=cv 23:57:45 26406 games for * (newocs): 13695x 0.18-a, 12711x 0.17-a 23:57:52 dag. 23:57:54 dang. 23:57:58 (rip keyboard) 23:58:02 !lg * newocs ikiller=orange_crystal_statue 23:58:02 No games for * (newocs ikiller=orange_crystal_statue). 23:58:05 dammit 23:58:10 wait for t 23:58:17 * gammafunk sulks. 23:58:17 I bet gw will get killed by a newocs 23:58:46 !lg gw t0.16 s=cikiller 23:58:47 3237 games for gw (t0.16): 291x a gnoll, 243x an adder, 186x a hobgoblin, 175x a worm, 170x a jackal, 166x a kobold, 155x a player ghost, 114x Sigmund, 111x an orc priest, 102x an orc, 99x Robin, 93x an orc wizard, 93x a goblin, 81x, 81x an ogre, 73x a giant gecko, 47x an orc warrior, 39x Grinder, 36x Terence, 33x Crazy Yiuf, 31x a bat, 30x a worker ant, 30x a rat, 29x a hydra, 28x a centaur, 27x ... 23:58:58 !lg gw splat s=cikiller 23:58:59 10 games for gw (splat): a greater naga, a swamp dragon, a hydra, a guardian serpent, an orb spider, a naga ritualist, Aizul, an emperor scorpion, a vault warden, an ice dragon 23:59:03 <|amethyst> !lg . recent s=cikiller 23:59:04 1938 games for |amethyst (recent): 346x, 113x an adder, 97x a hobgoblin, 95x a gnoll, 93x a kobold, 85x a jackal, 77x an orc priest, 52x an orc wizard, 51x a giant gecko, 51x Sigmund, 50x an orc, 39x a worm, 37x a goblin, 37x a centaur, 36x a player ghost, 35x an ogre, 35x an orc warrior, 27x Robin, 21x a worker ant, 21x a killer bee, 19x Grinder, 18x a bat, 17x Ijyb, 16x a rat, 16x Terence, 16x C... 23:59:19 !lg neil splat s=cikiller 23:59:20 28 games for neil (splat): 3x a stone giant, 2x a titanic slime creature, 2x an orb spider, 2x a wolf spider, 2x an orb of fire, 2x Mara, an acid blob, an ogre mage, Jorgrun, a hydra, , Norris, a draconian monk, a satyr, an emperor scorpion, a large abomination, a vault warden, a player ghost, Saint Roka, Geryon, Nikola 23:59:26 !lg . splat s=cikiller 23:59:27 77 games for Grunt (splat): 3x a player ghost, 3x a stone giant, 3x a spriggan berserker, 3x a storm dragon, 3x an Orb Guardian, 3x, 2x an orb of fire, 2x an ancient lich, 2x a greater naga, 2x an ironheart preserver, 2x a yaktaur captain, 2x a golden dragon, 2x an emperor scorpion, 2x Saint Roka, 2x Boris, a large abomination, a mummy priest, Xtahua, a spatial maelstrom, a vault warden, a starcur... 23:59:37 wow, player ghosts 23:59:41 Gruntbane 23:59:42 <|amethyst> !lg . splat cikiller= 23:59:43 1. neil the Fetichist (L17 DEJr of Nemelex Xobeh), killed themself with bad targetting on Swamp:1 on 2013-04-01 06:58:41, with 154820 points after 32264 turns and 2:29:22. 23:59:48 nice 23:59:51 !lg . splat cikiller=a_player_ghost s=ikiller 23:59:52 3 games for Grunt (splat cikiller=a_player_ghost): rchandra's ghost, djanatyn's ghost, Sobieck00's ghost 23:59:52 <|amethyst> !lg . splat cikiller= -log 23:59:54 1. neil, XL17 DEJr, T:32264: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/neil/morgue-neil-20130401-065841.txt