00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:07 isn't it significant that they're now capable of reach attacks? 00:00:30 you don't mention it in the commit message, only that they're now weaker 00:00:41 but i think reach attacks are really strong 00:02:51 vast majority of mennas' damage comes from his stats, not the weapon 00:03:31 a minuscule nerf to weapon quality in exchange for reaching makes him more dangerous on average 00:04:58 ?? trident 00:04:58 trident[1/1]: (polearms; +1 acc / 9 dam / 1.3 base delay / 0.6 min delay). A fishing spear improved with a longer shaft and a three-pronged metal head. 00:05:05 it's faster too 00:05:14 mennas with a spear would be more dangerous than mennas with a scimitar 00:05:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:06:31 yeah, it's definitely an overall toughness buff. Significantly more holy brand too 00:06:43 25->50% will hurt for undead 00:06:50 similar to how qb cerebov beats sword of cerebov cerebov 00:07:58 yeah, that's what i meant...you say longsword -> trident makes the mundane case "weaker", but I think the opposite is true 00:08:43 that makes the mundane case stronger...and scimitar -> holy reaching weapon is MUCH stronger 00:10:49 fair, i'll reword 00:12:27 not that i've ever seen either of these creatures >8) 00:12:37 never seen holy pan? 00:12:46 never seen pan 00:28:09 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 00:30:06 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:04 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:41:06 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:48:08 -!- vev has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50:34 !send CanOfWorms 1x1p tiles 00:50:34 Sending 1x1p tiles to CanOfWorms. 00:50:42 ???? 00:50:50 one pixel, make it amazing 00:50:57 I make it black 00:51:01 !!! 00:51:28 the bold color, the elegant theme of darkness juxtaposed with the conflict of the eternal soul! An incredible masterpiece!!! 00:51:36 exactly 00:51:44 how's that opne going btw 00:51:49 !lm . 00:51:50 17033. [2015-10-29 04:45:41] gammafunk the Reanimator (L14 DrNe of Sif Muna) killed the ghost of Badman the Spear-Bearer, a novice DsGl of Okawaru on turn 26508. (D:9) 00:51:50 I haven't caught up on the streams of it 00:51:55 !lg . opne 00:51:55 3. gammafunk the Reanimator (L16 OpNe of Sif Muna), quit the game on Shoals:2 on 2015-10-27 00:53:19, with 108760 points after 46343 turns and 8:17:46. 00:51:59 rip 00:52:01 I got sick of that squid 00:52:02 wow 00:52:03 but this dr is great 00:52:08 that's some hot bullshit 00:52:12 I just steamrolled frog pond 00:52:20 with *all* the spectres+zombies 00:52:23 drne^sif? 00:52:27 ye 00:52:31 oh right that's what it says 00:52:36 all the spells, and we got sif at good time 00:52:39 for a moment I thought it was still the opne 00:52:42 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:52:47 no last-turn-of-D:9, thank you very much 00:52:55 also got grey, so I have great ac 00:52:58 nice 00:53:08 Basically 00:53:22 gammafunk Ne^Sif with be *nothing* like Grunt HuPr^Zin 00:53:55 HuAr^Zin, you heretic 00:54:01 oh 00:54:06 I'm thinking of araganzar 00:54:13 and I had combos that took longer than that for me to win >.> 00:54:19 Yeah, nothing like either 00:54:26 !lg araganzar HuPr^Zin 00:54:27 Broken query near '^Zin' 00:54:30 !lg araganzar HuPr zin 00:54:30 126. araganzar the Bringer of Law (L27 HuPr of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 5 runes on 2013-01-16 03:18:13, with 2269530 points after 129715 turns and 18:27:23. 00:54:35 !lg . huar zin 00:54:36 28. SGrunt the Devout (L27 HuAr of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-11-23 01:26:05, with 1153129 points after 195539 turns and 9:42:11. 00:54:38 wow 00:54:40 one-hundred-twenty-six 00:54:42 missed it by that much 00:54:51 almost 27... 00:54:57 !lg . huar 00:54:57 75. SGrunt the Devout (L27 HuAr of Zin), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-11-23 01:26:05, with 1153129 points after 195539 turns and 9:42:11. 00:55:04 oh I see 00:55:15 granted I wasn't specifically going for ^Zin there 00:55:21 !hs . huar !won 00:55:21 !lg . optm cv<0.14 00:55:21 74. SGrunt the Talismancer (L27 HuAr of Nemelex Xobeh), blasted by a storm dragon (bolt of lightning) on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2013-03-29 18:54:26, with 648292 points after 164134 turns and 8:58:28. 00:55:22 93. gammafunk the Farming Talismancer (L27 OpTm of Nemelex Xobeh), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2012-12-28 02:43:15, with 8501657 points after 219610 turns and 2d+10:40:42. 00:55:23 !hs . huar !won -2 00:55:24 73/74. SGrunt the Immaculate (L27 HuAr of Zin), mangled by an Orb Guardian on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2013-07-01 00:35:31, with 537406 points after 118361 turns and 6:57:44. 00:55:31 !hs . huar !won -3 00:55:31 OpTm of nem was my HuAr of zin 00:55:31 72/74. SGrunt the Bringer of Law (L23 HuAr of Zin), blown up by Boris on Vaults:5 (vaults_vault) on 2013-11-17 22:29:01, with 364858 points after 111279 turns and 5:11:49. 00:55:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 00:55:47 !lg . natm 00:55:48 99. SGrunt the Alchemist (L26 NaTm of Cheibriados), escaped with the Orb and 3 runes on 2013-07-15 01:02:10, with 1384495 points after 100526 turns and 5:22:57. 00:55:59 granted, I did that one specifically as a self-challenge 00:56:15 but everything into place hilariously well 00:56:31 !lm . natm won rune 1 00:56:32 1/3. [2013-07-14 17:15:58] SGrunt the Alchemist (L20 NaTm of Cheibriados) found an abyssal rune of Zot on turn 65200. (Abyss:3) 00:56:37 ^ how often does *that* happen 00:56:58 !lm * current trunk rune urune=1 s=rune 00:57:01 15360 milestones for * (current trunk rune urune=1): 4712x decaying, 4591x gossamer, 3740x serpentine, 2042x barnacled, 158x slimy, 111x abyssal, 3x demonic, glowing, fiery, dark 00:57:14 good selection 00:57:31 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:57:55 !lg cerealjynx 00:57:55 !lm * rune urune=1 s=rune 00:57:56 3259. cerealjynx the Wrestler (L27 MiMo of Cheibriados), blasted by a Brimstone Fiend (blast of hellfire) (summoned by a shadow demon (summoned by Cerebov)) in Pandemonium (cerebov_grunt) on 2015-10-29 04:41:30, with 944247 points after 87090 turns and 5:05:02. 00:57:57 95409 milestones for * (rune urune=1): 27123x decaying, 24698x serpentine, 21770x gossamer, 12607x barnacled, 2069x silver, 1668x demonic, 1478x slimy, 1421x abyssal, 384x dark, 372x fiery, 341x glowing, 338x magical, 239x iron, 233x bone, 226x icy, 226x golden, 216x obsidian 00:58:05 I guess cerebov_grunt isn't your new one 00:58:08 nope 00:58:11 but well done all the same 00:58:24 !lg * current trunk (( hells || pan )) map~~_grunt_ s=map 00:58:25 13 games for * (current trunk ((hells || pan)) map~~_grunt_): 7x tar_grunt_ereshkigal, 4x lom_lobon_grunt_wind_tunnels, cerebov_grunt_fire_and_steel, tar_grunt_big_loot 00:58:34 oh, any good kills from the new shoals ends? 00:58:43 that's hard to track 00:58:47 !lg * current trunk place=shoals:4 kmap~~grunt 00:58:48 No games for * (current trunk place=shoals:4 kmap~~grunt). 00:58:49 !lg * current trunk shoals:4 s=kmap 00:58:49 667 games for * (current trunk shoals:4): 289x, 74x shoalhut_rune, 68x shoals_rune_alternative, 64x shoalhut, 36x shoal_ilsuiw, 35x shoals_ilsuiw_alternative, 34x shoals_rune_alternative_decoy, 24x uniq_polyphemus, 7x uniq_mara, 7x shoals_iceberg_rune, 4x shoals_iceberg, 3x uniq_jorgrun, 3x shoals_ilsuiw_ice, 2x hangedman_shoals_cup_caves, 2x nicolae_shoals_hunting_party, 2x nicolae_shoals_aquaman... 00:58:50 ah 00:59:01 iceberg! 00:59:04 iceberg_rune 00:59:05 and iceberg_rune 00:59:16 what about garden :( 00:59:19 how would gardens show up 00:59:24 !lg * current trunk shoals:4 kmap~~garden 00:59:24 4. brucemayne the Severer (L16 HOMo of Makhleb), shot by a faun (sling bullet) (kmap: shoals_garden_rune) on Shoals:4 on 2015-10-25 10:26:27, with 130170 points after 14152 turns and 1:59:08. 00:59:25 \o/ 00:59:26 aha! 00:59:37 some tvs I'm going to watch eventually 00:59:52 you killed batman (or a batman knockoff) 00:59:54 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-2231-gd80ca38 (34) 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:01:54 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:02:31 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2231-gd80ca38 (34) 01:03:54 Lasty_: Any amaizing plans to stalk up some silky commits that....DEATH COBS??? 01:05:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:05:43 -!- fiyawerx has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06:39 so grunt, what's this new demon you've got in the works? 01:07:30 the patronizer? 01:07:32 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:07:46 isn't that a superhero 01:08:39 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 01:10:36 Nexus Fiends I think they're called? 01:10:51 Chaos Nexus? 01:11:10 or was it changed 01:12:08 * ontoclasm weeps piteously 01:13:01 * hypractvChipmunk stabs ontoclasm!! 01:13:05 hmm 01:13:24 is it possible to abuse elyvilon's abilities by praying to zin first with a big bag of gold and then switching for the free piety 01:14:21 http://sprunge.us/AQSb 01:14:40 aw nice 01:14:52 CanOfWorms: I have a few designs, but the most likely is the anguisher 01:14:57 :o 01:15:00 which is a 4 with AF_PAIN, Pain, and Agony 01:15:12 !torment Grunt 01:15:13 gammafunk gestures. gammafunk is wracked with pain! 01:15:19 the what now 01:15:19 hmm 01:15:21 !agony gammafunk 01:15:21 !cmd !torment 01:15:21 Command: !torment => .echo $nick gestures. $nick is wracked with pain!$(ignore $*) 01:15:41 !send Grunt tempest tyrants 01:15:41 Sending tempest tyrants to Grunt. 01:15:47 !send wheals vitriol vandals 01:15:47 Sending vitriol vandals to wheals. 01:15:53 -!- mong has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:16:01 !send CanOfWorms storm striders 01:16:02 Sending storm striders to CanOfWorms. 01:16:02 !send Grunt corrosion chums 01:16:02 Sending corrosion chums to Grunt. 01:16:17 "speed 20, batty, AF_CHAOS, trails chaos, throws chaos clouds," 01:16:22 !send gammafunk agony amigos 01:16:23 Sending agony amigos to gammafunk. 01:16:27 this sounds more like an abyss monster than a demon 01:16:27 -!- setecastronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:16:53 I'm not a huge fan of cloud-trailing monsters tbh 01:17:05 I guess they work as anti-ally clouds 01:17:09 !send wheals Chaos Nexuses 01:17:09 Sending Chaos Nexuses to wheals. 01:18:51 wait, i wanna play! 01:18:58 !send Grunt bile buddies 01:18:59 Sending bile buddies to Grunt. 01:19:45 hypractvChipmunk: come up with these for all the current enemies with "demon" or "devil" in their name <.< 01:19:55 gladly 01:19:56 (starter hint: "tempest tyrant" is intended for one of those enemies) 01:20:04 (guess which!) 01:20:18 i don't know anything but ice devil! 01:20:21 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:20:23 ??5 01:20:23 5[1/3]: The tier 5 demons. Not very scary, they are: {crimson imp}, {white imp}, {shadow imp}, {iron imp}, {quasit}, {ufetubus}. 01:20:24 ??4 01:20:24 4[1/1]: The tier 4 demons. They are: {blue devil}, {red devil}, {rust devil}, {hellwing}, {orange demon}, {sixfirhy}. 01:20:25 ??3 01:20:25 3[1/1]: The tier 3 demons. They are: {sun demon}, {smoke demon}, {soul eater}, {neqoxec}, {ice devil}, {chaos spawn}, {ynoxinul}. 01:20:27 ??2 01:20:27 2[1/1]: The tier 2 demons. Summoned, along with {1}s, by {Summon Greater Demon}. They are: {balrug}, {blizzard demon}, {shadow demon}, {cacodemon}, {green death}, {hell beast}, {hellion}, {lorocyproca}, {reaper}, {tormentor}. 01:20:28 ??1 01:20:28 1[1/1]: The tier 1 demons. The most dangerous of their kind outside of the named guardians in Pandemonium, the Fiends can cast {torment}. They are: {Ice Fiend}, {Shadow Fiend}, {Brimstone Fiend}, {Executioner} (including {Ignacio}), {Hell Sentinel}. If you are looking at your map and you see a mysterious green 1 and can't figure it out, that's a waypoint. 01:21:07 oh, i guess i've seen rust devil and sun demon too 01:22:26 ??blue devil 01:22:26 blue devil[1/1]: It flies and doesn't like fire. Also has a swooping attack that lets it fly past you and instantly melee you. Makes it very good at blocking corridors. Definitely a problem if you walk into the wrong ice cave a little too early. 01:22:42 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:23:27 ??red devil 01:23:27 red devil[1/1]: Red, polearm-toting demons that tend to reside in gehenna and pan. A source of demon tridents (20% of the time). Have a neat trick where they will hop backwards, hitting you with their reaching weapon. 01:23:55 hopping halberdiers! 01:25:56 !send hypractvChipmunk frosty friends 01:25:56 Sending frosty friends to hypractvChipmunk. 01:26:32 also rename all the things with "shadow" in their name 01:26:38 or a color 01:26:46 ??smoke demon 01:26:46 smoke demon[1/1]: "Napalm demon" would be a more accurate description; they cast sticky flame and smite. And steam ball. 01:28:01 why? 01:28:26 why what? 01:28:57 rename everything with "shadow"? 01:29:00 rename shadow demons to "unimaginable and indescribable form demons" 01:29:01 wait 01:29:03 what's a shadow demon 01:29:05 ??shadow demon 01:29:05 I don't have a page labeled shadow_demon in my learndb. 01:29:11 @??shadow_demon 01:29:11 shadow demon (062) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 42-70 | AC/EV: 7/12 | Dam: 21 | 05demonic, 10doors, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100), 02cold++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 711 | Sp: shadow creatures [06!sil], sum.demon [06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: human. 01:29:15 shadow c. 01:29:18 oh 01:29:21 v. nasty if they make the right summons 01:29:22 oh right 01:29:24 now I remember 01:29:32 I just remember them as purple summon demons 01:29:34 ??ice devil 01:29:34 ice devil[1/1]: Like a sun demon, except for cold instead of fire. And it's slower. And it does less damage. 01:29:37 i think they're more annoying that shadow fiends most of the time 01:29:38 ??sun demon 01:29:38 sun demon[1/2]: Made of suns. Hits very hard with fire damage, vulnerable to cold, speed 12! 01:29:39 because it's cliche and dull 01:29:47 that/than 01:30:11 killed a bunch of them with pproj on my recent haas run 01:30:13 fair enough i guess. but red/blue/orange seems more boring than shadow 01:30:51 "shadow" is basically what you use instead of "black" in that list 01:31:02 hmm 01:31:15 so the game just subtracts 1* of piety when you switch good gods 01:31:23 I think? 01:31:36 i thought it was some proportion 01:31:38 like 1/3 01:31:42 yeah, i suppose so 01:31:52 i thought it was 1/3 also 01:31:56 the code says gain_piety(old_piety - piety_bkpt(0),2,false0 01:31:58 so I think 01:32:03 (piety - 1*)/2? 01:32:03 but i don't do it often enough to know off the top of my head 01:32:50 hm 01:33:05 so it looks like a deep dwarf can go to zin to replenish elyvilon piety 01:33:36 spam heals until you can't, then donate cash to get back to 6* with zin, then switch back 01:35:01 heh 01:35:10 sounds like a pretty good use for money tbh 01:36:10 Grunt: for the applicable 3s, I've got solar scourges, phlogiston phantoms, and glacial gremlins >8D 01:38:11 -!- Wolfechu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:38:33 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 01:43:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:45:11 -!- xnavy_ is now known as xnavy 01:45:42 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 01:46:49 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:47:16 alternatively: searing savages, igneous incubi, and gelid gnashers 01:47:43 "igneous incubus" has a good ring to it 01:47:46 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:52:05 bright bunyips, translucent terrors and fearsome freezers 01:52:33 wtf is a bunyip 01:52:44 an australian tengu 01:53:02 i believe that 01:53:17 only an australian would come up with such a stupid-sounding word 01:53:18 basically it means they're poisonous and we scare tourists with them 01:53:59 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:55:11 i'll keep an eye out for them while dodging dropbears, then 01:57:59 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:56 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 02:02:26 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 02:03:00 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:52 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:21 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 3.6.28/20120306064154]] 02:16:15 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:21:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:22:17 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:22:37 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 02:25:23 -!- yottam has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:25:45 heh 02:25:55 been a while since i heard the term bunyip 02:25:57 heh on you, buddy 02:26:25 i wouldn't have equated it with "tengu" so much as "bogeyman" but chequers is probably the resident expert 02:27:01 heh on me? where are you going to go for your yak juice if i decide not to sell to you! 02:27:30 pfft, better have tomorrow's order ready 02:27:40 hah 02:28:08 you'll be sorry if you offend the nation's premier supplier 02:28:30 you'll be more sorry if you lose the nation's only consumer 02:28:49 you have no idea how fast demand is spreading! 02:29:34 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:29:57 well, it's true i *am* quite a trendsetter 02:30:12 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 02:30:15 -!- Laraso has quit [Quit: Laraso falls through a shaft! The shaft crumbles and collapses.] 02:31:41 =P 02:32:52 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:33:22 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34:06 is this drugs 02:34:10 i'm saying no guys!!! 02:34:14 mum told me just say no!!! 02:34:19 heh 02:34:26 it's just yak juice! 02:34:51 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:35:02 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:36:04 just try it. you'll like it 02:36:59 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:37:09 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:40:33 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:44:43 -!- SwissStopwatch has quit [] 02:51:32 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:01:45 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:03:47 -!- n1001 has joined ##crawl-dev 03:05:15 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:05:31 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:12:02 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2231-gd80ca38 (34) 03:13:01 -!- KoBeGiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:18:58 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22:50 -!- crate has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:30:15 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:31:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:33:54 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:36:23 -!- n1001 is now known as n1k 03:36:26 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 03:36:26 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 03:39:28 -!- beogh has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:40:19 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:54:56 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:57:40 -!- KoBeGiant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:59:36 -!- TESTTROG has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:15 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:00:52 is the ring of shadows meant to work with zizn/ely? 04:11:44 why wouldn't it? shadows aren't evil 04:17:17 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:28:37 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:29:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:29:46 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 04:30:14 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:32:19 !lg * urune>=3 br=D ktype=mon 04:32:20 549. onono the Annihilator (L27 OpWz of Vehumet), mangled by an elder weirdbat beast (summoned by the player character) on D:4 on 2015-10-25 20:16:56, with 1028609 points after 197627 turns and 1d+1:38:51. 04:32:27 !lg * urune>=3 br=D ktype=mon -2 04:32:28 548/549. starseed13 the Tortoise (L24 VSBe of The Shining One), slain by a stone giant (created by the rage of Trog) on D:15 on 2015-10-23 03:43:02, with 532421 points after 41051 turns and 3:51:54. 04:32:33 !lg * urune>=3 br=D ktype=mon -3 04:32:35 547/549. zarath9 the Axe Maniac (L26 DDBe of The Shining One), mangled by a stone giant (created by the rage of Trog) on D:15 on 2015-10-19 22:08:14, with 606418 points after 57395 turns and 4:26:50. 04:32:40 !lg * urune>=3 br=D ktype=mon -4 04:32:42 546/549. Starve the Slayer (L27 DrVM of Ashenzari), annihilated by Hoverosodi the pandemonium lord on D:13 on 2015-10-02 14:40:41, with 714114 points after 72935 turns and 4:13:28. 04:33:50 -!- randart is now known as Mike57 04:37:18 -!- johlstei_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:40:13 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:40:26 -!- johlstei has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:53:59 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:05:36 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:25:03 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 05:29:36 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:34:49 !lg * killer=elder_weirdbat_beast 05:34:50 1. onono the Annihilator (L27 OpWz of Vehumet), mangled by an elder weirdbat beast (summoned by the player character) on D:4 on 2015-10-25 20:16:56, with 1028609 points after 197627 turns and 1d+1:38:51. 05:36:11 what is that 05:41:09 box of beasts I assume 05:42:51 -!- shrinkshooter has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:47:36 -!- mopl has quit [] 05:52:56 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:58:00 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 06:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:45 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:40 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Client Quit] 06:10:22 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:18:23 Medar, is that a type of chimera or are chimeras gone? 06:21:04 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:22:16 they are gone 06:22:19 %git :/chimera 06:22:19 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-1267-ga29b6f9: Add the basics of the 'mutant beast' monster 10(5 months ago, 3 files, 18+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a29b6f979003 06:23:09 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:24:00 thanks 06:28:38 -!- Stendarr|2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:29:40 -!- Stendarr has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:35:34 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:39:30 -!- sanka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:46:10 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:52:53 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:02:52 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:03:59 |amethyst: if you make puns invoking Chebyshev, I appeal to always incorporate "Pafnuti". First names for live! 07:12:56 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:18:18 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:28:50 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:33:05 -!- ChrisVesters has joined ##crawl-dev 07:33:30 Hey everyone. 07:33:43 I would like to contribute to Crawl, any advice on how to get started? 07:33:53 What IDE does everybody use? 07:35:06 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:43:18 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00:26 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:01:07 ChrisVesters: welcome 08:01:38 don't be put off by the slow response.... everybody's sleeping right now 08:02:03 -!- tv1990 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:02:54 .... or at work 08:03:01 ... or both 08:03:15 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:03:18 >8D 08:03:55 * hypractvChipmunk goes back to sleep. 08:05:00 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:05:26 ChrisVesters: I just use vim myself, not sure about everyone else 08:06:35 I usually like using a more advanced IDE such as Eclipse... 08:06:43 vim here 08:07:56 ChrisVesters, if you want to help check out mantis for some recent bug reports etc and the repo is on github 08:07:58 https://github.com/crawl/crawl 08:08:00 ??mantis 08:08:01 mantis[1/2]: To report bugs or submit new content like vaults, patches or tiles, go to: http://crawl.develz.org/mantis/main_page.php 08:08:05 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:09 I guess there is no reason why using IDE wouldn't work. Altough the build system (Makefile) is quite the contraption. 08:13:37 I do have a CMake file that could theoretically generate eclipse projects... hit me up later when I'm home from work if you have trouble building 08:13:37 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:13:56 As for what to work on, it's hard to give a general answer. Depends on what you are interested about, just start small and ask for help here. 08:13:58 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:17:27 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:17:46 here's a patch I'm about to write and submit, but you could instead: make the singing sword better 08:18:32 like, it is a pretty mediocre base type with +7 enchantment, and the unrand effect is more cosmetic than useful. I think it could be a double sword or get a much better enchantment 08:19:42 I'm not ready yet to start doing patches yet. I need to get things set up first, and read-up on some details of the game. 08:20:10 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:20:54 imo the setup is easy. linux/osx + your favourite text editor, it's not a complex project in that sense 08:21:03 finding where things are to change is hard though :) 08:22:36 you'll definitely need to start by tempering yourself against the horrors in the code... do something simple just for yourself to get a feel for the code 08:23:36 doesn't have to be useful... just try to change something in the game and learn what is required to make that happen 08:24:57 if you survive that, then start looking at bug reports and stuff for things you could actually contribute 08:25:10 Ok, thanks for the advice 08:35:55 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:37:53 -!- ChrisVesters has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:38:52 poor guy 08:39:37 probably died from shock 08:40:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:44:39 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:52:30 hypractvChipmunk: after looking into the source? 08:56:38 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:57:35 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 08:58:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:04:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:12:44 i am pretty sure singing sword is already a double sword 09:13:03 indeed it is 09:15:57 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 09:16:44 oh wow, heh 09:16:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:20:22 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:24:53 !death those reading the source code 09:24:53 Death has come for those reading the source code... 09:33:01 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 09:34:46 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:35:15 -!- pblur has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:57 -!- andrewhl has quit [Quit: andrewhl] 09:37:47 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 09:39:18 I am also not sure the unrand effect is purely cosmetic. Of course, I'd never object to buffing the sword :) 09:39:55 yeah after a few more levels of use its passive is pretty great 09:39:58 very fun sword 09:40:16 -!- andrewhl has quit [Client Quit] 09:41:01 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 09:41:15 dpeg: when you gaze long into the crawlcode, the crawlcode gazes also into you 09:41:51 hypractvChipmunk: I know, Nietzsche was the first man ever to look into crawlcode. He contracted syphilis and went insane soon after. 09:42:08 * dpeg checks his genitals. 09:42:35 ! 09:44:06 but nowadays, it's a prerequisite to be already insane to join the crawl devteam! 09:44:43 bhaak: we have to go with the times! 09:45:01 STDs abound but people are still shy of a little madness. 09:45:24 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:46:40 all I have is a mind and I must scream when looking at nethack's code 09:47:01 but Nethack 5.0 is around the corner!!! 09:47:13 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:17 and it's code will be bigger, better and more improved 09:47:20 crawl code would probably be a vacation compared to that. but then, it's C++ ... 09:47:38 don't put your hopes on THAT version number :-) 09:48:09 I did a run with the singing sword a month or so back and wrote up my impressions on the forum. Basically everywhere but branch ends it felt like a challenge condition. It was OK in branch end, and then absolutely incredible in V:5. 09:48:38 it'll ship with hurd 09:48:53 I think from the discussion at the time, the conclusion was that adding a passive song of slaying or somesuch to it would probably buff it to a reasonable place. 09:49:06 It's been a while since I heard a hurd joke 09:50:24 pblur: I think I even commented there... wouldn't mind some thematic buff to the Sword 09:50:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 09:51:03 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/DynaHack 09:51:21 This nethack branch actually sounds like a bunch of huge steps in the right direction 09:51:40 Anyhow 09:52:27 I was looking back over the amulet rework. Is there any reason to keep clarity and stasis seperate? 09:53:05 Just mashing them together and removing most downsides could probably get a reasonable power level... 09:53:18 <|amethyst> ? 09:53:26 <|amethyst> how would you remove most downsides? 09:53:38 <|amethyst> by making it rSlow instead of stasis? 09:53:52 Basically by separating -Tele from stasis 09:54:16 -Tele would still exist for Formicids and maybe as a negative artifact property 09:54:29 <|amethyst> and -Haste? 09:54:35 I'm not sure about that 09:54:57 Like, if the clarasis amulet blocked Haste and Berserk, it might not be bad 09:55:07 <|amethyst> IMO the better response to amulet imbalance is to make faith weaker 09:55:11 Not sure though 09:55:16 <|amethyst> not to make all the amulets super-powerful 09:55:23 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:55:46 I kind of like the idea for amulets having god-lite decision-making attached to them 09:55:49 |amethyst: faith weaker is easy: there's parameters to tweak 09:56:28 Currently it's basically just a ring slot with a mutually exclusive set of effects. 09:56:34 Which just isn't that interesting 09:56:43 easy? well, shoot, forget that idea then 09:56:46 <|amethyst> so should we do the same to rings then? 09:56:59 nah 09:57:00 Maybe 09:57:01 <|amethyst> I don't see a problem with an equipment slot being "basically just a slot" 09:57:02 introduce player ettins 09:57:05 It would be hard though 09:57:29 |amethyst: there is no problem, but the thematic distinction ring/amulet would also give a way to a functional distinction 09:57:45 <|amethyst> I mean, I wouldn't mind amulets changing, but I don't know about making amulets into game-changing pieces of equipment 09:57:50 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:57:54 <|amethyst> IMO game-changing should be artefacts or randarts 09:57:54 They already are though... 09:57:59 Rage 09:58:13 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:58:18 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 09:58:18 I mean, even if we don't target Faith-power 09:58:25 Maybe target rage-power? 09:58:38 It's pretty strong and game changing 09:59:03 |amethyst: there's a magnitude smaller than what you are indicating: rings for very tactical effects (to be changed all the time, depending on monster etc) and amulets for longer term effects 09:59:33 <|amethyst> that sounds reasonable 09:59:40 Ironically, as far as the interface is concerned, it'd be better the other way around :) Amulet swapping needs no prompts, but ring swapping does, handedness be damned 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:02 This is true. 10:00:14 Though I usually set up one slot for swapping 10:00:23 And the other one gets engraved 10:00:26 everyone sacrifice a hand to the onearmed god! 10:00:30 Lol 10:00:50 "It's just for the interface, my dear. Left or right one?" 10:01:04 hehe 10:01:19 <|amethyst> could use two separate sets of keybindings 10:01:21 OK... so power level such that it's long-term strategic, but not radically game-changing? 10:01:24 <|amethyst> one for each finger 10:01:26 |amethyst: why not lower Faith piety boost by 20% or so, and see if anything happens? 10:01:53 <|amethyst> dpeg: would the penalty need to be lowered as well? 10:01:56 |amethyst: yes. Or I once suggested that all rings come with a handedness "left ring of Ice, right ring AC+3" 10:01:59 |amethyst: no no 10:02:39 that would go counter to the long-term effect goal 10:03:16 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 10:03:21 <|amethyst> ??faith 10:03:21 amulet of faith[1/2]: Piety increases one third faster. Yes, this means you get more gifts. Good gods save you more frequently in 0.16, but no longer in trunk. Xom has more dynamic piety and acts more often. Removing the amulet reduces your piety by 1/3. 10:04:15 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: looks like it already takes away more than it gave you if you immediately take it off on reaching 200 10:04:28 <|amethyst> so it's just a matter of how long you wear it past that point 10:04:43 yes 10:05:18 That's not really tru because your piety will have decayed somewhat 10:05:19 assuming you use no piety 10:05:30 And that's not factored into the removal 10:06:31 heh, track all piety gained by virtue of the amulet and remove it when it's taken off 10:06:55 It is important that Faith removal has some serious, noticeable effect. It does. As we think that Faith is overpowered, we should nerf it a bit. These two are unrelated, IMO. 10:07:35 <|amethyst> I wasn't thinking to remove the penalty 10:07:41 <|amethyst> but reduce it to 1/4 or something 10:07:52 <|amethyst> but you're right, 1/3 would still be fine 10:08:02 <|amethyst> and simpler to tweak one knob at a time 10:08:03 |amethyst: I understand, but I don't think it is necessary. One step after the other. 10:08:06 yeah 10:08:49 <|amethyst> I don't really like taking -tele out of stasis, but that's probably just conservativism 10:09:21 after a few weeks on the Team, everyone becomes a disillusioned, spineless conservative! 10:09:54 I never really used Statis *except* for the -Tele, so cannot comment on topic 10:12:47 -!- njorth has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:13:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:14:30 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:14:33 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:14:48 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 10:19:24 -!- Evablue has quit [Client Quit] 10:20:12 The trouble with stasis currently is it's extremely low power, cutting out haste and tele options. 10:21:49 Should I try to avoid any that significantly affects how the game plays? 10:22:00 (Any amulet ideas...) 10:22:13 no, gameplay changes are ok 10:22:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:23:21 OK 10:24:39 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:27:10 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:27:12 <|amethyst> probably stasis would work out better as a ring 10:27:23 sounds a bit like it, yes 10:28:47 <|amethyst> (also, make ring of fire rF++ rC- and ring of ice rC++ rF- (in addition to the enhancer effect), and remove plain rings of rF/rC 10:29:36 <|amethyst> would also reduce the amount of equipment we have to give to Fannar :) 10:30:18 OK, how about an amulet of {Stasis Clarity MR++}? 10:30:21 why boost fire and ice rings? 10:30:28 I think that's something I might wear sometimes... 10:30:40 pblur: what drawback? 10:30:43 <|amethyst> dpeg: so they are something a non-elementalist might wear 10:30:57 |amethyst: I wear them on nonelementalists 10:31:04 depending on local monsters, ofc 10:31:12 Current stasis drawbacks, and then an XP-gated *Confuse on removing them 10:31:50 Or would I need to remove -Tele to make it wearable as a non-swappable item? 10:31:59 <|amethyst> I don't know if making stasis something that's hard to swap off is a good thing 10:32:19 OK. 10:32:29 <|amethyst> that's why I suggested making it a ring 10:32:33 Sure. 10:32:36 Works for me 10:32:50 * geekosaur occasionally uses ring of fire/ice, but thinks the apparent redundancy of ring of fire/ice vs. ring of resist fire/cold is a bit confusing 10:33:25 one gives an enhancer, other is strictly better if you don't care about enhancers 10:33:28 or at least pointless-seeming (emphasis on seeming) 10:33:43 -!- buki_ is now known as buki 10:33:55 anyway I think it makes sense to combine them 10:34:08 I'm not particularly fond of having to choose between no rF and halved spellpower on an IE 10:34:14 +the idea 10:34:35