00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:00:19 <|amethyst> things would change by ±0.1 or so 00:00:25 <|amethyst> possibly more in some cases 00:01:35 <|amethyst> I imagine there's a div_rand_round somewhere, or maybe an unstable sort 00:03:14 |amethyst: did you say you wanted to update the changelog, or that you wanted to make the wordpress post? 00:03:15 or am I imagining things 00:03:52 <|amethyst> gammafunk: Well, Grunt beat me to the changelog, but I could probably find some time to work on those 00:04:30 well, I'll ping you again tomorrow; I'm fine with writing the wordpress, but it's nice to give other people a chance to do that if they want to 00:04:45 <|amethyst> gammafunk: if you're fine with it then go ahead :) 00:04:49 k 00:04:53 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05:31 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 00:05:35 -!- tabstorm has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:05:47 It's a good format to pitch any products, business ideas, commercial endorsments, or requests for online dating, since it reaches a lot of people 00:06:18 elliptic: do you know much about the tourney code? 00:06:27 <|amethyst> !send gammafunk a game of Simony Says 00:06:27 Sending a game of Simony Says to gammafunk. 00:06:32 elliptic: I'm wondering what the place_column/skip parameters in html.table_text do 00:06:54 elliptic: I think it's something about calculating first/second/third place while taking into account ties? 00:13:03 chequers: not just first/second/third, but yes 00:14:39 chequers: iirc place_column tells table_text which column to look at to determine whether players are tied 00:16:01 chequers: and skip tells it to skip numbers when computing places if there are ties above, e.g. if there is a tie between two people for first place then the places will be listed as 1,1,3 rather than 1,1,2 00:16:49 -!- kaiza has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17:03 ah, now I get skip 00:17:07 such code 00:17:56 skip is my fault, I added that to the existing code (which was already hard to read :P) in a24b55c41a 00:19:05 hm, looks like skip=False code path isn't needed 00:20:23 yeah, I'm not sure why I didn't just make skip=True default when I added it 00:20:31 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 00:20:52 !learn add comborobin https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rwjNlE-YaHpvHcEvamPstnTV2-DAXyCsAM4ySKkFnZw/ 00:20:52 comborobin[3/3]: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1rwjNlE-YaHpvHcEvamPstnTV2-DAXyCsAM4ySKkFnZw/ 00:22:54 -!- Syndicus_ is now known as Syndicus 00:28:04 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:30:03 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:30:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:36:36 step one: A deep elf skilled at summoning plagues of insidious vermin. 00:36:38 er 00:36:40 thanks paste 00:36:45 step one: http://sprunge.us/ODAF 00:36:48 lol 00:36:55 (that's a terrible description and I'm glad this makes it go away) 00:37:06 (we can probably remove that spell later on down the road anyway) 00:38:10 vague initial idea: a "deep elf archer" that is to a dema as a knight is to a blademaster 00:38:15 sort of an AM sort <.< 00:39:16 a real chipmunk-style AM or boring "i'm-really-a-hunter" AM 00:39:30 well, Inner Flame and Gell's are monster spells......... 00:39:51 -!- raskol` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:40:03 i bet players love getting shlorped around 00:40:05 @??deep elf knight name:deep_elf_archer n_rpl col:lightgray spells:inner_flame.20.wizard,gell's_gravitas.20.wizard 00:40:05 Not a monster spell: 'inner flame' 00:40:08 yes it is!!! 00:40:11 (rip) 00:40:35 %git 78a4890 00:40:35 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1550-g78a4890: Remove Inner Flame as a monster spell 10(3 months ago, 2 files, 8+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78a4890d2848 00:40:47 let's lynch that guy 00:41:02 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:42:18 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 00:43:38 (let's not talk about lynching people, perhaps) 00:44:05 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46:27 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:47:59 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:48:24 Grunt: i liked your first iteration of step one 00:48:41 * Grunt casts a spell. The rat bites ProzacElf but does no damage. 00:48:53 heh 00:50:09 ack. annihilators/demonologists/death mages are all just becoming spell sets of sorcerer? 00:50:30 at the moment I'm mainly writing this out to figure out how this is going to function 00:50:56 I speculate that there is going to be blending of the spell sets to some degree 00:51:08 also there was some talk about marking the monsters to indicate what sorts of spells they are likely to cast 00:51:16 that might be nice 00:51:17 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:32 i sort of like having them separate so i know which one to target 00:51:41 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:52:03 usually, in descending order: demonologist, annihilator, dmage, plain sorc 00:52:06 the elf sorcerer walks enters your vision. puffs of flame emerge from the backside of his robes 00:52:36 which spell set does an explosively farting sorcerer indicate? 00:52:55 it means your inner flame was a little too effective 00:52:56 <.< 00:53:52 heh 00:54:37 he's a fraternity-brother aspect sorcerer 00:54:52 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:59:37 do they wield paddles? 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:11 Monster cleansing flame causes self-distraction 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10032 by johnnyzero 01:05:57 -!- raskol` is now known as raskol 01:09:47 how come the message when an enemy out of your LoS gets hit by an explosion is "you hear an explosion"? 01:10:48 -!- zarath9 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:11:23 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2206-g471501c (34) 01:11:49 release the vaults!!! 01:13:23 wow. think I successfully refactored the tourney scoring 01:14:09 ! 01:15:18 this turned out not bad: http://i.imgur.com/Wzeptb5.png 01:16:01 geralt-of-rivia.png 01:19:29 heh, yeah 01:21:49 this needs more work, but here's the basic idea: http://sprunge.us/bCQY 01:22:27 * Grunt goes to sleep. 01:22:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:22:55 g'night 01:24:53 chequers, wow there's a resemblance 01:27:48 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-2206-g471501c (34) 01:29:35 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:31:27 chequers: I looked at the new page briefly (can't find the url now), and it seems less legible than the old page 01:31:43 as in there was too might light color on light color 01:31:52 but I'm not sure if you're still updating that or not 01:32:47 (random thought on the way to bed: DE knights are basically reavers; archers are AM; so what other hybrids can we make enemies out of) 01:32:58 (DEWr? DETm??) 01:33:08 hard to make monster tm spells 01:33:12 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:33:33 deep dwarf artificers >_> 01:33:41 no thanks 01:33:44 worshipers of pakellas 01:34:51 * Grunt feels a huge surge of power! The blast of iron fragments hits gammafunk!!!!! x729 01:37:29 sorbius (L4 SpAK) (D:4) 01:38:46 gammafunk: in what way? I mean the missing images are not idea for the banner section 01:39:15 !crashlog sorbius 01:39:15 3. sorbius, XL4 SpAK, T:3521 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/sorbius/crash-sorbius-20151026-053730.txt 01:39:19 The deep elf transmuter shudders and reforms as a 17-headed Hydra! 01:39:34 can you link me the page again? 01:39:39 https://crawl.project357.org/static/tourney-test.htm 01:39:40 the test page, that is 01:40:10 compared to http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/ 01:40:24 well maybe it's just more that it's in need of a bunch of formatting cleanup 01:40:29 like the scoring part 01:40:54 the yellowish-bg only for the main rule doesn't work well 01:41:04 |amethyst: uh-oh 01:41:11 ah ok, yep that stuff will be easy to mess with 01:41:25 <|amethyst> Grunt: ? 01:41:30 !crashlog sorbius 01:41:30 3. sorbius, XL4 SpAK, T:3521 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/sorbius/crash-sorbius-20151026-053730.txt 01:41:31 yeah it's not far from being in a usable state 01:41:32 I'm currently just moving every page to use a unified page framework so changes are easy to make 01:41:38 maybe if it's in a repo, I can commit to it too 01:41:49 it's on my github :) 01:41:51 |amethyst: our fix seems to have broken something 01:42:00 branch 'bootstrap' 01:42:09 ok ; I don't know what all the moving parts are yet 01:42:20 in terms of your page and the scoring script elliptic maintains 01:42:31 I probably won't get to look into them until 27th or 28th 01:42:38 but I do want to look at them soon 01:42:38 join the club! Here's my cliff notes: `pip install -r requirements.txt ; python update_index.py --nodb ; html.tourney0.16/index.html` 01:42:57 yep, well I'm trying to simplify a lot of the tourney stuff. Let me know when you have the finalised rule changes 01:43:07 rules changes are probably final 01:43:08 <|amethyst> Grunt: hm 01:43:13 see that section on 01:43:15 ??plan 01:43:15 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 01:43:23 but yeah ther ecould be some last minute changes I guess 01:43:33 might be nice to have commentary from elliptic about them 01:43:48 i'll sit on them for a few days then to be sure 01:43:54 yeah probably a good idea 01:44:03 we need to have a CHANGES paragraph just for those 01:44:08 in addition to having those changes in the rules 01:44:27 right. that's pretty easy to do 01:46:12 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:46:14 sorbius (L5 SpAK) (D:4) 01:46:33 <|amethyst> Grunt: strange 01:46:47 sorbius (L5 SpAK) (D:4) 01:47:33 sorbius (L5 SpAK) (D:4) 01:48:05 sorbius (L5 SpAK) (D:4) 01:48:45 sorbius (L5 SpAK) (D:4) 01:48:58 <|amethyst> Grunt: I bet a g++ 4.7 bug 01:51:59 <|amethyst> Grunt: yes it is 01:53:11 <|amethyst> int (*foo)() = nullptr; function bar = foo; cout << bool(bar) << endl; // prints 1 in g++-4.7, should be 0 01:56:24 WereVolvo (L18 SpAE) (Vaults:2) 01:56:52 WereVolvo (L18 SpAE) (Vaults:2) 01:57:09 !lm werevolve x=src 01:57:09 No milestones for werevolve. 01:57:13 !lm werevolvo x=src 01:57:14 11131. [2015-10-26 05:56:54] [src=cszo] WereVolvo the Stormcaller (L18 SpAE of Vehumet) (Vaults:2) 01:57:22 good work tavern 01:59:03 WereVolvo (L18 SpAE) (Vaults:2) 01:59:43 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:59:44 WereVolvo (L18 SpAE) (Vaults:2) 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:13 WereVolvo (L18 SpAE) (Elf:1) 02:04:43 -!- shinino_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:05:11 <|amethyst> !lm werevolvo x=god 02:05:12 11136. [2015-10-26 06:01:15] [god=Vehumet] WereVolvo the Stormcaller (L18 SpAE of Vehumet) (Elf:1) 02:05:24 <|amethyst> indeed 02:05:28 neil (L1 HuBe) (D:1) 02:05:36 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2207-gecfcb12: Fix piety gain with g++ 4.7. 10(67 seconds ago, 1 file, 14+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ecfcb12ebfea 02:06:44 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2207-gecfcb12 (34) 02:07:13 <|amethyst> okay, fixed 02:07:44 <|amethyst> CXC also needs rebuilt 02:07:48 <|amethyst> well 02:07:59 <|amethyst> it probably has a newer g++ actually 02:08:21 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2208-ge5ab1d3: Actually restrict that to g++ 4.7, not 4.8. 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e5ab1d381988 02:08:58 <|amethyst> oh, no, CXC does need rebuilt 02:09:08 neil (L1 HuFi) (D:1) 02:09:40 <|amethyst> btw, before release 02:09:42 <|amethyst> Tile 'etheric_cage' for part 'BODY' not found in 'dc-player.txt'. 02:12:50 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-2208-ge5ab1d3 (34) 02:13:36 <|amethyst> okay, fixed there too 02:16:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:17:15 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:19:25 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2208-ge5ab1d3 (34) 02:21:02 <|amethyst> !tell ontoclasm Tile 'etheric_cage' for part 'BODY' not found in 'dc-player.txt' 02:21:02 |amethyst: OK, I'll let ontoclasm know. 02:22:01 -!- Ultraviolent4 has quit [Quit: oh god i am not good with computer] 02:24:58 <|amethyst> Grunt: I think the gen_good_value and gen_bad_value in artefact.cc happen to work because the constructor that takes a nullptr_t works correctly and we never copy those 02:26:30 <|amethyst> Grunt: likewise traversable in _dgn_find_nearest_square 02:26:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 02:30:53 -!- Rjs--- has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:31:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 02:31:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 02:31:48 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:32:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 02:35:39 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:39:59 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:45:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:48 -!- Kramell has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52:32 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:54:17 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2208-ge5ab1d3 02:55:12 ??clan 02:55:12 cue[1/4]: European Crawl server, located in Germany. http://underhound.eu:8080/ or underhound.eu, port 22, username: terminal, key: http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key http://crawl.develz.org/cao_key.ppk See {putty} for Windows users. Runs 0.10-0.16 and trunk (DCSS, Zot, Sprint, Tut) 02:57:41 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58:15 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:58:16 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:57 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:12:56 elliptic: to you know/remember why the list of banners for each player gets a "header" and "footer" added in query.get_player_banners? 03:13:39 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2208-ge5ab1d3 (34) 03:15:40 is this the right time to poke elliptic about the lord of darkness banner allowing temple 03:17:24 <|amethyst> kvaak: gammafunk is probably the person to poke 03:19:07 hrm, that's too onerous? 03:19:42 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:21:46 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 03:23:03 |amethyst: some commit diffs on s-z.org's gitweb cause a redirect to the domain root webpage 03:23:34 http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=b9776b0ddc91bcec2fc1f680a8eea9f47848d063 03:23:39 well all I know during the last tourney I pointed this out and elliptic told me to poke him before around .17 tourney 03:24:28 highest I got was old LODII 03:24:42 so I've never done it, but I could see it being painful 03:25:17 well thing is restricting temple doesn't actually do anything except encourage startscumming until you get your overflow altar of choice 03:25:22 no temple god does raise the challenge of a given run, but it's also pretty scummy since you can just go for overflow temples...maybe the bigger problem is that it rewards Be etc too much? 03:25:59 yeah, I can see the reason for removing the temple restriction; it's not really related to the main challenge 03:26:06 which is about "you don't get xp/loot from these" 03:26:26 ??plan 03:26:26 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 03:29:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:29:18 kvaak: rule changes list updated 03:29:25 cheers 03:29:47 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 03:30:01 of course we must now add a ridiculous and arbitrary challenge to another banner in order to compensate 03:31:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Client Quit] 03:32:47 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:33:02 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:19 -!- Laraso has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:38:43 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:40:27 -!- CacoS is now known as CcS 03:50:22 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:52:24 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:53:49 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:57:22 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:25 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:04:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:04:17 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:17:31 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:19:51 -!- AltReality has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:21:55 -!- glosham has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:23:30 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:29:56 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:45:14 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:45:24 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 04:51:22 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:59:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:09:51 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20:11 -!- raskol` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25:04 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:26:14 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:35:25 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 05:40:40 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:43:36 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:47:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 05:52:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:57:48 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:04:03 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:05:38 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:21:06 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 06:43:07 -!- iafm has quit [Quit: leaving] 06:45:11 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:04:28 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:09:15 -!- Sorbius has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:15:37 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:16:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:17:50 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:24:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:36:59 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 07:39:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:47:37 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:47:44 -!- rastFL has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:52:08 -!- Finwe has quit [Quit: Server going down for maintenance.] 07:52:34 -!- Finwe^ is now known as Finwe 07:58:39 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:04:41 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:08:19 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:12:00 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:24:43 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:31:19 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:30 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:37:08 -!- daiy has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:38:07 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 08:38:14 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 08:40:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:48:19 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:52:14 -!- pblur has joined ##crawl-dev 08:54:19 -!- tksquared has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:56:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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This isn't scummable with the abort fix. 11:21:07 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:25:40 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:28:46 New branch created: pull/165 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/165 11:28:46 03olowin02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/165 * 0.17-a0-2209-gf0d00b8: Count defensive actions. No changes from original def_count branch. 10(17 minutes ago, 12 files, 161+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f0d00b8ed865 11:38:30 So do we have any square names lined up for the release yet? 11:39:03 nicolae- suggested It's Hip to be Square 11:39:35 Not bad 11:39:47 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:44:39 -!- siepu has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:49:53 alternatively, 0.17: Squaring the Circle 11:50:18 that's the best 11:51:44 if you don't call it that, i will be so very disappointed 11:51:49 -!- Turgon has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:52:03 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:53:20 -!- buppy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:53:53 -!- buppy has joined ##crawl-dev 11:57:05 -!- ussdefiant_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:31 03Medar02 07* 0.17-a0-2211-gbb7320e: Fix kobold shield offset (#9953). 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bb7320eed71e 12:01:07 not so sure about Sonja tile having a shield offset, but I guess that never comes up anyway 12:01:26 -!- Rjs---- is now known as Rjs 12:01:27 -!- pblur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:02:07 -!- raskol` has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:09:27 -!- njorth has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:34:29 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:40:40 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:41:27 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 12:41:28 -!- travis-ci has quit [Client Quit] 12:44:59 -!- dsafdsafads has quit [Client Quit] 12:46:04 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:43 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: No route to host] 12:50:46 -!- namad8 has quit [] 12:52:29 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:53:00 -!- heliob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:54:02 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:55:00 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:57:02 -!- Rast- has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:12 -!- Syndicus_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:57:17 -!- Rast-- has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:58:40 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:33 -!- pblur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:59:39 -!- Syndicus has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:08:31 -!- ussdefiant_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10:13 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2211-gbb7320e (34) 13:23:48 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:27:04 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 13:27:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:18 -!- travis-ci has quit [Client Quit] 13:28:41 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 13:28:58 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:45 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:03 -!- morfei has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:40:33 <|amethyst> "Drove My Chebyshev to the Lebyshev" 13:41:19 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 13:42:31 <|amethyst> johnny0: hm, I can't reproduce that here... that page (and the commitdiff link on that pages, and the commit link on the commitdiff page) loads fine for me without redirects 13:43:29 the diff link to the file fails for me 13:43:47 all links to the file actually 13:44:05 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:51:48 -!- heliob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:53:32 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:02:21 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:02:39 octopode mutation not suppressed in spider form 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10034 by Marbit 14:03:03 -!- Marbit has joined ##crawl-dev 14:04:30 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:06:00 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:07:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:10:31 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:13:24 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:14:50 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 14:17:39 -!- morfei has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:18:20 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 14:22:46 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 14:38:35 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:38:49 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 14:38:58 -!- angryteapot has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:39:37 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 14:40:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 14:47:33 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:50:08 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:53:15 -!- vale__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:59:01 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 14:59:02 -!- travis-ci has quit [Client Quit] 15:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:35 -!- Syndicus_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:02:07 -!- Syndicus has joined ##crawl-dev 15:02:40 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:05:48 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:08:16 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:16:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:18:52 -!- heliob has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:25:49 -!- Marbit has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:28:32 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:29:24 -!- chance672 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:29:32 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:57 |amethyst, gammafunk, wheals: while talking w/ crate, had an idea for a way to adjust death cob hunger to make it feel less unfair. Have AF_HUNGER "flay" your hunger until you're starving (or maybe fainting?), with a refund on death. Dom 15:37:27 FWIW, I think that's a reasonable idea 15:37:38 flavour it as you eating the death cob when it dies :P 15:37:51 i'd mentioned that before, but i think the point is that it's funny when people starve 15:38:07 Don't let AF_HUNGER actually take you to fatal nutrition, just near it. Perhaps refund the nutrition on death. That way, players don't suddenly die from getting 2x cobbed and hitting fainting immediately, but they still lose access to spells and abilities while fighting cobs. 15:38:30 wheals: haha, that crossed my mind too 15:38:31 wheals: that's hilarious 15:38:48 except it's an undead thing, not very tasty 15:38:51 getting rid of the instadeath component sounds good 15:39:07 "The buttery aroma of the dying death cob compels you to fall upon its fallen corpse and feast!" 15:39:13 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:39:20 paralyzed for three turns? 15:39:26 "You feel a delicious, buttery sensation!" 15:40:08 lol 15:40:21 -!- Kramin has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:45:21 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_lunch 15:45:36 heh 15:50:22 -!- Wirewraith has quit [Quit: BYE] 15:52:52 Avigdore (L20 MuWn) (Shoals:4) 15:53:23 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:53:51 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:56:25 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:10:54 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:41 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 16:13:22 -!- ldierk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:16:16 Lasty_: kind of a neat idea 16:16:24 I guess this would extend to hungry ghosts as well 16:16:44 probably going to have to wait till 0.18 though 16:16:49 gammafunk: yeah 16:17:15 Yeah, it's a bit of a dangerous feature to add this close to the tourney 16:17:34 well otoh current cobs are quite nasty, so I guess if you could add it in a day 16:18:22 I'd say delaying the freeze even until the 30th is reasonably ok since it gives us a week of testing, but maybe others don't like that 16:18:42 I could try to add it tonight. I'm not sure how long it'll take 16:19:06 I suppose I could at least spec it out tonight and see whether it's feasible 16:19:22 hrm, so when the player hits starving, cobs can no longer hunger flay? 16:20:20 and I wonder, is this smite targetted? we remove af_hunger entirely? 16:20:36 I assume smite targetting is the way you'd do it 16:20:46 since they'll hit less often with it inherently 16:20:48 as it's an ability 16:20:57 although you could keep it as an af_type I guess 16:22:18 -!- Pisano has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:22:30 -!- amalloy_lunch is now known as amalloy 16:25:48 gammafunk: i think Lasty just meant that the current hunger attack would change from "reduce the player's satiation" to "temporarily reduce the player's satiation", not that it would change targeting to be like flaying 16:25:56 ie, change the damage type, not the delivery mechanism 16:27:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:27:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:28:19 well I'm musing about whether you would change the delivery mechanism 16:28:52 but it's probably better to keep it as an af_ type 16:28:58 given how fast death cobs are, giving them smite targeting doesn't seem like it would be good 16:29:16 it'd be an ability 16:29:16 either they smite the hell out of you before you can get to them and it's even worse, or they smite you and then charge into melee range anyway 16:29:18 so you can weight it 16:29:26 weight is independent of speed 16:30:21 what i mean is, isn't it kinda like orb spiders? if they charged at you after smiting you with hunger, you could just melee them down anyway, and it wouldn't be meaningful that it had been a ranged attack 16:30:45 hrm? they can still use it if they're adjacent 16:30:52 it's not really like orb spiders 16:30:58 anyhow I think the design was about 16:31:05 punishing high-ac/low ev chars 16:31:09 but if they do use it while adjacent it's not interesting that it's smite-targeted: it's basically melee then 16:31:27 but if they don't use it while adjacent, it's not basically melee 16:31:38 is torment uninteresting because it can be used when monster is adjacent? 16:31:56 @??death cob 16:31:56 death cob (08z) | Spd: 25 | HD: 14 | HP: 73-110 | AC/EV: 10/15 | Dam: 3502(hunger) | 07undead, 10doors, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(40), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2276 | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 16:32:05 there are no monsters with torment who are speed 25 and refund you the hp after you kill them 16:32:12 @??curse_skull 16:32:12 curse skull (13z) | Spd: 15 | HD: 13 | HP: 55 | AC/EV: 35/3 | 07undead, evil, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 05fire++, 02cold++, 10elec, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1631 | Sp: sum.undead [06!sil], s.torment [06!sil] | Sz: tiny | Int: human. 16:32:22 those are fast tormentors 16:32:27 and like I said, you can weight it 16:33:15 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 16:33:16 -!- travis-ci has quit [Client Quit] 16:33:26 I think he wants to punish the heavy armour users more, and for that af_ delivery is good 16:33:42 yes 16:33:44 an ability won't have a way to distinguish unless it's attached to a projectile somehow 16:33:55 but there's no fundamental reason why it can't work like torment 16:34:09 after all, monster speed and ability usage are independent values 16:34:16 and both can be changed 16:37:44 what's going to happen with these for high-ac chars is just, you'll melee them down while starving 16:37:48 then eat afterwards 16:38:02 for 1v1 this is probably fine, and if there are other monster threatening you 16:38:14 it gets a bit more interesting at least since escape options are a bit more closed off 16:38:19 but it's just abilities/spells 16:38:45 probably just a better experience than really-fast-faining-and-death 16:39:21 and then mages will be in actual trouble if they get to starving, and will have to blink/tele, even 1v1, or make allies 16:39:24 hrm 16:39:28 does using a phial take hunger? 16:39:44 I forget which evocables require hunger, don't think wands do 16:40:00 gammafunk: So, there are a few ways to do this. I was thinking that the "flaying" effect applies until the player hits some hunger threshold, which could be above or below "fainting". This modified hunger value is stored separately from normal hunger. Non-AF_HUNGER effects modify the base hunger only. The non-AF_HUNGER value is used for purposes of dying of starvation. 16:40:22 -!- Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41:06 I'm pretty sure wands and elemental evokers don't 16:41:19 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:41:24 gammafunk: rods are all i can think of that do 16:41:32 yeah maybe it is just rods 16:41:46 and amalloy is correct about my intentions re: delivery mechanism 16:42:23 yeah I was also considering how you might deliver it and what are the tradeoffs 16:42:28 but af is closer to your original change 16:42:31 Lasty_: hrm, yeah sounds good, and I'm not sure what's best to store 16:43:25 if you make it go to fainting, things get a bit more interesting 16:43:26 Eating would have to increment both "real" and "flay" hunger counts, I think -- tho it might be interesting to say you get no permanent nutrition out of eating during this "phantom" hunger 16:43:53 I don't much like making hunger work differently like that 16:44:07 it'd be nice if it could just accurately track the satiation taken away, then restore that 16:44:08 It would be hard to communicate 16:44:14 just like how flaying works (I assume, at least) 16:44:18 gammafunk: up to the max satiation, I assume 16:44:29 yeah, that was my initial impulse 16:44:36 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:44:43 yeah that seems not too different from how hp is really 16:44:46 player might heal under flay 16:45:40 If we cap the hunger at fainting, I wonder how long you can faint for, and how soon it can happen after the first faint ends 16:45:42 if cobs can take you down to fainting, that's a bit closer to how flayed ghosts work 16:46:01 in that it will get you to a point where you have to do something about either the monster( kill it) or your hunger 16:46:15 if it goes only to starving you can just ignore it on many chars 16:46:23 otoh fainting does involve paralysis 16:46:42 but I kind of like it being able to take you to fainting :) 16:47:12 or even it not exactly fainting, arbitrarily close to it 16:47:26 i honestly don't have a problem with current cobs, but i also haven't run into them in a really bad situation 16:47:30 and i know how to deal with them 16:47:45 they are pretty obnoxious at present, but at least they do something 16:48:29 it's an interesting monster at least currently, although they are obnoxious 16:48:53 that being said, if they show up at the wrong time they can certainly kill you/get you killed without you having a whole lot of recourse 16:52:56 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:53:31 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 16:53:51 -!- njorth has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 16:54:23 -!- vale__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:57:01 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:11 Lasty_: Also, I'm not sure how you'll communicate this status to the player. Through a seperate status light? Using the same status light but somehow different colors? 17:06:37 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:07:48 Angband has potions of salt water that make you vomit. You could make this a 'vomiting' status -- you're starving and can't eat :P 17:08:42 death cobs in the time of cholera 17:09:01 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:55 -!- kaiza has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:11:13 yeah sporkhack added those as well; made when you dropped a salt chunk (which is a grey stone when unided, like touch stone, luck stone, or a loadstone) into water 17:13:13 it added potions of salt water, salt chunks, and the new level 7 spell of detect foot 17:13:39 might have been L6, but it was a high level spell 17:16:03 -!- CcS_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:17:14 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 17:17:15 -!- travis-ci has quit [Client Quit] 17:17:17 is that a typo or a real thing 17:17:17 MarvinPA: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:17:46 it seems like it'd be impossible to tell, knowing nethack variants 17:18:37 yeah it's a real thing 17:18:43 making fun of the Detect Food spell 17:18:45 But there is a Retch status already, it stops you from drinking. 17:18:48 amazing 17:18:49 which was at a silly high level 17:19:02 so the spell just says something like "You see your toes!" when you cast it 17:19:34 Xenobreeder: not any more there isn't 17:21:19 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I don't know, if the goal is to make it so they can't kill you with hunger I'd consider just remove the hungering altogether 17:21:53 <|amethyst> Lasty_: if they can't take you below starving, then essentially it's "run away and eat a couple of rations, or fight to the death and save your rations" 17:22:57 <|amethyst> Lasty_: I guess I'm not considering primary casters, though, where being at Starving actually has consequences 17:23:04 well, they're fight without casting or going berserk and while fainting 17:23:22 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: if they can't take you below Starving then why would you be fainting? 17:23:38 <|amethyst> oh, I guess they take you to the bottom of Starving then normal hunger drops you into Fainting 17:24:00 well, you're going to be fainting a few rounds later...yah 17:24:20 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:24:37 |amethyst: or they could take you to fainting but no further 17:24:53 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I'm not sure that makes much difference 17:25:22 I guess I don't know how much aut you can spend at fainting before anything bad happens 17:25:42 <|amethyst> gammafunk: every turn you spend in Fainting is a 1/40 chance of paralysis 17:26:09 <|amethyst> I guess you won't die of hunger at the top of Fainting, but that's cold comfort when you're paralysed 17:26:34 <|amethyst> (you do get one turn to react) 17:26:56 yeah I was likewise concerned about death cobs that stopped at starving since it seems you could just ignore food in most situations and kill them 17:27:14 stevs (L27 NaWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 556: mid cache bogosity: mid 6857 points to DEAD MONSTER mindex=58 mid=0 (Abyss:1) 17:27:15 going to fainting is probably the most interesting thing these new cobs could do 17:27:19 <|amethyst> I suppose stopping at high Fainting does have an interesting tension 17:27:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:27:43 <|amethyst> in that, if you eat, you avoid the risk of paralysis, but are just going to lose that nutrition to the next hit 17:27:55 <|amethyst> whereas you can save food by not eating, at the risk of paralysis 17:27:58 yeah 17:28:03 <|amethyst> I'm not sure that's a good tension, though 17:28:16 <|amethyst> "take this high tactical risk to save yourself a food ration" 17:28:51 well it's not exactly that, since a cob is perfectly capable of bringing you back to fainting a turn after you finish eating 17:28:56 all the while you're taking damage 17:29:54 I say perfectly capable, but perhaps that's not actualy true with these new ones; it's certainly true for current cobs 17:30:02 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:31:01 stevs (L27 NaWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 556: mid cache bogosity: mid 6946 points to DEAD MONSTER mindex=47 mid=0 (Abyss:1) 17:31:03 the death cob description does give us a lot of forgiveness in the design, at least! 17:36:47 stevs (L27 NaWz) ERROR in 'dbg-scan.cc' at line 556: mid cache bogosity: mid 7381 points to vampire bat mindex=29 mid=7414 (Abyss:1) 17:45:10 -!- pblur has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:51:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:54:44 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:55:09 -!- vale__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:56:03 -!- DrStalker has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:58:22 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:06:12 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:14 uh 18:07:19 "save food"? 18:07:42 |amethyst: when do you need to "save food?" 18:08:17 -!- Insomniak` has quit [Quit: I like to rock] 18:09:05 i didn't go look at all that conversation, but you shouldn't have a lack of food by zot in any semi-typical circumstance 18:09:27 unless you rolled with like a DEAE of gozag 18:09:35 or a troll/ghoul of gozag 18:12:43 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:17:01 or a speedrunning summoner of sif <3 18:18:24 but in all seriousness, what |amethyst means is that, for most characters "save yourself a food ration" is not an interesting decision 18:19:06 hence the quotes and the statment that it's probably not a good tension 18:19:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:20:12 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:24:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:37 woot, woot. got my build script to do the entire end-to-end compile without any use of the old makefiles at all 18:26:47 victory is mine! 18:27:18 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:28:00 heh, my CMakeLists.txt is almost exactly 10% of the size of the combined Makefiles 18:30:00 uh 18:30:01 -!- dtsundere has joined ##crawl-dev 18:30:10 i think i just saw a fire dragon submerge 18:30:27 it's taking a bath, let it be 18:31:06 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:31:28 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 18:32:19 lol 18:32:33 or swimming 18:36:58 -!- beogh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:37:09 heh 18:39:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:43:08 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 18:43:39 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:44:06 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 18:45:38 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 18:45:39 -!- travis-ci has quit [Client Quit] 18:48:32 hypractvChipmunk: nice. is this with a lot of unneccessary includes stripped out too? how much faster is compilation? 18:51:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:51:31 -!- shrinkshooter has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:52:07 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:56:45 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:57:51 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:44 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 19:03:27 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-2211-gbb7320e (34) 19:04:04 !source mon-act.cc:2102 19:04:05 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-act.cc#l2102 19:04:18 that's an interesting block 19:09:00 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:11:56 o_O... 19:12:00 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:12:29 hahahahaha 19:12:31 guess who wrote that code 19:12:41 oh 19:12:46 it actually predates the commit I was looking at 19:15:14 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:17:00 -!- thrig has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:19:54 Grunt: what was the intent, even? 19:20:03 backtracing right now 19:21:26 ... 19:21:30 this is in initial revision 19:21:32 so we'll never know 19:21:33 rip 19:22:16 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 19:27:18 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:27:39 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 19:28:04 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:30:29 wow 19:30:59 Grunt: I'm actually trapsing through the mon ai code to see what happens when a stationary monster gets a turn 19:31:06 in terms of monster energy etc 19:31:23 specifically wrt the interaction with the spell def 19:32:36 right now I have to stream, so rip getting that ocs patch finished before that 19:32:43 but I should get it done tonight regardless 19:33:55 gammafunk: how long have you been doing streams? 19:34:29 oh just a few weeks now 19:35:38 !send gammafunk statues 19:35:38 Sending statues to gammafunk. 19:35:43 ...is elliptic going for greater-HE? 19:35:50 !greatrace he elliptic 19:35:52 elliptic is probably going for greatestplayer 19:35:53 Unwon high elfs for elliptic: HEEE, HENe 19:35:54 <.< 19:35:56 nice 19:36:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:37:16 !lg * he-- 19:37:16 227976. aTarkinC the Thaumaturge (L11 HEIE of Vehumet), slain by Urug (a +3 great mace of crushing) on Lair:1 on 2015-10-26 23:31:23, with 8423 points after 15024 turns and 1:36:48. 19:37:19 !lg * he-- s=name 19:37:23 227976 games for * (he--): 3713x Sebi, 3239x Meow, 2835x Faydane, 2614x zazu2006, 2554x DrPraetor, 2432x striker, 2137x Yakesh, 2051x gammafunk, 1955x Camkitsune, 1914x Donatan, 1608x LogicNinja, 1511x soul, 1361x uru, 1345x Ivo, 1293x aori, 1130x oxeimon, 1056x EatsDungeonBats, 1031x Orfax, 978x hymie, 971x Arielle, 928x Darmok, 914x heteroy, 731x pokeman, 700x AnalyticBranch, 662x BirdoPrey, 651... 19:37:52 !lg * he-- !boring s=name 19:37:56 191251 games for * (he-- !boring): 2602x zazu2006, 2376x striker, 2314x Faydane, 1746x Camkitsune, 1412x LogicNinja, 1267x soul, 1266x aori, 1191x gammafunk, 1048x EatsDungeonBats, 963x hymie, 925x Darmok, 921x Orfax, 867x Arielle, 725x pokeman, 677x AnalyticBranch, 659x heteroy, 643x trantor, 608x BirdoPrey, 600x jejorda2, 553x CipHuK, 539x shupac, 524x Luterac, 518x Neil, 514x zarzak, 509x adamz... 19:38:01 dang 19:40:52 gammafunk: i streamed Dominion for a while, a year or so ago, which was fun. this weekend i finally got around to trying out recording some DCSS for youtube (i think i prefer recording to streaming). 19:41:16 just wanted to say thanks for reminding me about it by doing your stream 19:41:40 yeah good to have more dcss youtube videos 19:41:58 mine are basically the worst for teaching people crawl, since they're either speedruns or strange builds I want to try 19:42:39 mine are the worst because they're console 19:42:56 which i know limits my audience, and i could spectate tiles like you do, but i wanted some video out there for console folks 19:43:04 hrm, well there is that, but I feel lots of people will still watch them 19:43:16 but yeah it certainly loses a significant number of viewers 19:43:36 I guess I reason that people who can learn console are probably pretty good already 19:43:51 it's certainly great if you're coming from another roguelike though 19:44:05 i don't really know who my intended audience is. mostly folks on irc really 19:44:14 and want to get up to speed quickly (I watched console vids of doomrl to learn, for instance) 19:44:57 my first episode is painfully slow, like 45 minutes on D:1, because i'm explaining everything, but after that i think i am targeting like...medium-level crawl players 19:45:08 people who play fast and die and don't know what happened to them 19:45:29 yeah, one cool thing with recording is you can make videos like they're lessons 19:45:41 so you can call that vid the "D:1 introduction" etc 19:45:48 that's an interesting idea 19:45:52 that's what the guy who did the doomrl vids did 19:45:55 more or less 19:48:39 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:48:52 amalloy: ink? 19:49:04 link 19:49:41 chequers: https://www.youtube.com/user/asdfgvbd/playlists 19:49:44 demise is also doing a few series https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzmCTHcYFM5nnAPBYE26Fng 19:49:46 haha that's still my username? i didn't know that 19:50:00 i made that username way back before G+, when i didn't want anything about my youtube account to be public 19:50:06 just sorta mashed the keyboard 19:50:20 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:29 Unstable branch on crawl.buzz updated to: 0.17-a0-2211-gbb7320e (34) 19:51:49 |amethyst, gammafunk: a couple notes on the cob discussion above: starving also blocks abilities, which can be interesting; on the other hand, the removal of death means you have a choice between paralysis via fainting or paralysis via food-eating, which . . . isn't a great choice. 19:52:14 !cob Lasty 19:52:16 <.< 19:52:23 haha 19:52:58 dissenters will be starved to death 19:53:31 man 12 parts to get to d:15 this is like the opposite of Demise's playstyle 19:54:17 mm tself55 on cbro is playing coc_grunt_cove 19:55:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:01 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:01:06 til that Antaeus' tile does not show weapons 20:01:20 fr: fix that? 20:02:00 chequers: i think if my playstyle were the same as his i wouldn't be doing videos. both for audience overlap and also because i wouldn't have disliked his videos so much 20:06:54 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 20:07:44 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:44 elliptic: what updates the tourney pages periodically? it doesn't seem like taildb does so 20:12:53 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 20:13:00 elliptic: or does it.... 20:14:31 that is the point of taildb 20:15:25 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:16:06 taildb doesn't update the pages periodically if there are no tourney games yet though 20:18:19 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 20:28:15 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:31:32 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:34:50 -!- mtyson has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:34:54 -!- mtyson_ is now known as mtyson 20:42:17 -!- mtyson has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:44:23 -!- Vidiiot has quit [] 20:44:32 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:48:40 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 20:49:03 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:53:23 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:53:37 -!- rhayde` has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:56:11 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:46 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:03:00 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:43 -!- Poroso has quit [Read error: Network is unreachable] 21:10:56 amalloy: started watching those videos you linked just to see what they were like 21:11:06 you actually sound like a right decent fellow 21:11:11 who would have guessed 21:11:14 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:11:59 gammafunk: elliptic: for your consideration. I think everything is done except clan pages (can't get those generating yet). Do you have any feedback? https://crawl.project357.org/static/tourney-test/ 21:12:41 gammafunk: visual updates you suggested will be done once I'm happy there are no bigger issues to deal with (eg, i get thumbs up from this review) 21:14:57 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:15:04 chequers: ugh, i gotta finish my new logo 21:15:04 ontoclasm: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 21:15:05 !messages 21:15:05 (1/2) gammafunk said (2w 1d 1h 17m 46s ago): There's a very rough attempt to give jugger zombies a unique tile in #10010 ; also I'm told shrike zombies use the bat zombie tile, if you feel like animating some dead 21:15:11 !messages 21:15:11 (1/1) |amethyst said (18h 54m 8s ago): Tile 'etheric_cage' for part 'BODY' not found in 'dc-player.txt' 21:15:30 i feel like black on white is still a little too plain 21:15:44 ontoclasm: one of the jugg zombie tiles got committed 21:15:54 well, ok 21:16:08 + 21:16:18 * 21:16:22 ' 21:16:23 yeah, i feel like you should have... something behind the text 21:16:31 very 90s :P 21:16:32 = 21:16:34 like a rectangle at least 21:16:47 -!- daiy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:17:34 90s is white on black 21:17:38 that isn't too bad 21:18:02 21:18:13 21:18:14 looks quite professional, in fact 21:18:17 basically, when i first saw it i thought the background had somehow failed to load 21:18:17 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:18:48 i liked that the old rectangle thing matched the scoring pages style 21:18:51 ontoclasm: yep, there's ugly placeholder text there! 21:18:59 !send chequers ugly things 21:18:59 Sending ugly things to chequers. 21:19:01 to make you feel bad 21:19:29 21:19:48 oh no, autoplaying music is very 2010s 21:19:49 wheals: I agree some background could be nice, but this style *does* match the current homepage 21:19:51 unfortunately 21:20:02 oh yeah 21:20:09 I would like to do a refresh of the website soon, but until then I think it's best to match the frontpage style 21:20:22 when you said that the other day, i thought you were talking about wordpress and was confused; i see what you mean now 21:20:35 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20:39 ... 21:20:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:21:49 -!- Kasofa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:24:16 03Grunt02 07* 0.17-a0-2212-g754f01c: Remove a stray wall from cerebov_grunt_fire_and_steel. 10(27 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/754f01c54034 21:24:17 New branch created: pull/166 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 21:24:17 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2212-gb1d8c34: Tweak Zin ability letters 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b1d8c347a28f 21:24:50 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:25:50 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:26:26 DrKe: hm, maybe donate should go to the last letter, so you don't change what the old letters for sanctuary is 21:26:50 chequers: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/logotypebig.png 21:26:52 well, not last, but after sanctuary at least 21:27:00 evocables still start at f right 21:27:09 yes 21:27:12 chequers: I don't care particularly about the general aesthetics, but the new design seems significantly less functional, at least on some pages... e.g. compare https://crawl.project357.org/static/tourney-test//players/walkerboh.html with http://dobrazupa.org/tournament/0.16/players/walkerboh.html 21:27:15 yeah that makes sense to me 21:27:45 elliptic: do you mean "the font size is larger"? 21:27:59 well 21:28:03 wouldn't sanctuary be on e regardless 21:28:08 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:28:09 chequers: that combined with the big DCSS banner taking up half of the screen, yes 21:28:14 since it still has 4 abilities preceding it 21:28:25 DrKe: I thought it was currently d? 21:28:33 chequers: without scrolling down, I can see only the first win on the new page 21:28:36 I mean, it was d before all the changes to pray/etc 21:28:55 well with the new god ability slots it should be on e 21:29:00 since it's the 5th ability in the list 21:29:05 on the old page, I could see all 14 wins at a glance without needing to scroll 21:29:05 elliptic: yeah fair, the logo for the tourney site doesn't need to be as large as the front page 21:29:43 I am in favour of increasing font size though, and that's going to reduce the amount of stuff you can see at one time 21:29:53 chequers: also these banner images really can't be displayed like this, they are designed to be on top of each other :P 21:30:03 i will double check it anywas 21:30:17 yeah, but they didn't even format properly on the old site!! 21:30:22 they were half off the page 21:30:25 they formatted properly afaik 21:30:27 huh? 21:30:27 I'm going for lunch, bbs 21:30:35 that was intentional 21:30:55 oh really? 21:31:11 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:21 yes, the people involved in setting up that banner layout thought it looked best like that 21:31:48 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Disconnected by services] 21:32:48 i... can't say i agree 21:32:50 I never felt strongly about that, but I do think that if the banner images are going to be arranged in a rectangle then you need to make new images for everything... the whole point of the current banner images is that they form a scroll spiralling down 21:33:27 can i like 21:33:34 make a mock-up 21:33:49 yeah, sanctuary is on e, now 21:33:53 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 21:33:54 The build was broken. (master - 03dd7ef #3511 : Steve Melenchuk): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/87391989 21:33:54 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 21:34:12 you could argue that it would be better to put it back on d, though 21:34:29 thanks travis 21:35:24 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 21:36:51 chequers: aside from needing to scroll to see anything interesting and the banner images not being intended for tiling in a rectangle like that, the other complaint I have is that you've lost the bolding to distinguish between winning games and non-winning games 21:37:06 which makes lists of recent games player a lot harder to process 21:37:52 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:39:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:39:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 21:39:33 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2213-gba16bc1: Update religion.cc 10(68 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ba16bc1b739a 21:43:03 -!- Zilis is now known as Guest52948 21:43:59 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:44:04 <|amethyst> hm, I assume the change to the scoring formulas for combo_god_win is part of the new tournement rules? 21:45:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 21:45:07 -!- Stendhal has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:46:52 maybe like 21:46:53 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/1000017/crawl/tourney.png 21:49:50 03amalloy02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2033-geba4cf6: Expand jarring abbreviation in a comment 10(4 weeks ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/eba4cf60e605 21:49:50 03amalloy02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2034-g4062e14: Change the 'safe option' for using unorthodox stairs to 'no' 10(2 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4062e147e39c 21:49:50 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2035-g8d62c0b: Tweak an arrival vault 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 7+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8d62c0be2bf8 21:49:50 03hypractvChipmunk02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2036-gdf13fad: Note branch staircases when revealed with magic mapping 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/df13fadba397 21:49:50 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2037-g5d2c83c: Update another xl_rank_name 10(3 weeks ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5d2c83c3c8ea 21:49:50 03chequers02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2038-g6ed4c0a: Upgrade Qaz wrath. 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 7+ 10-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6ed4c0ac8c0f 21:49:50 03chequers02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2039-gc12ca02: Show your skill for shields (like weapons). 10(4 weeks ago, 2 files, 13+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c12ca02b55d2 21:49:50 03amalloy02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2040-gcfd0ad3: Add rc option to prompt before using escape hatches 10(2 weeks ago, 4 files, 13+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cfd0ad38d5f2 21:49:50 03amalloy02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2041-gba7d555: Also warn about shafts when warn_hatches is set 10(2 weeks ago, 2 files, 15+ 15-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ba7d555e4d32 21:49:50 03wheals02 {DrKe} 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/166 * 0.17-a0-2042-g0d55863: Change how piety_rank() works. 10(2 weeks ago, 9 files, 18+ 28-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0d558635cca8 21:49:50 ... and 152 more commits 21:49:52 idk 21:50:12 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 21:51:03 whoops 21:51:29 clearly i am not a master of rebasing 21:51:58 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:52:05 -!- Lasty1 is now known as Lasty 21:52:19 you, DrKe, the MASTER OF REBASING 21:52:44 he's a R.D. 21:52:50 *an 21:53:38 holy crap 21:53:49 !send hypractvChipmunk 152 more commits 21:53:50 Sending 152 more commits to hypractvChipmunk. 21:54:07 i figured it's be nice to have a bar at the top that just has like 21:54:14 the most important stuff about the player 21:54:19 * hypractvChipmunk weeps. 21:54:57 it would have been even funnier if drke just left the channel after that 21:55:59 how does one even do that without noticing? 21:56:08 i pushed from the wrong branch 21:56:09 -!- Lawman0_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:56:11 apparently 21:56:23 i assume you flipped the arguments on the rebase and rebased master onto your branch, but 21:56:33 normally you wouldn't commit afterwards 21:56:38 er, push 21:56:43 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:57:03 ah, when working with repositories like this i always use the full-form of the push command, because i'm paranoid 21:57:23 git push origin master:master 21:57:46 remote_name local_branch:remote_branch 21:58:07 don't leave anything implicit 21:58:17 eh 21:58:27 the worst that could happen is this, basically; not a huge deal 21:58:32 -!- Statgrind has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:58:36 oh no, obviously not 21:58:43 but it's embarrassing! 21:59:29 ./leave 21:59:57 oh, no ya don't; you gotta push it back 22:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:38 -!- kunwon1 has quit [Quit: Specialization is for Insects] 22:00:39 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 22:00:44 gammafunk: regarding that mon-act code, see #603 which has people in 0.6 era also being confused 22:01:09 ...or are we just gonna leave this one and let people with local branches suffer? 22:01:31 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:02:58 if you're gonna force-push it back to the old head, you should do it asap, before people check it out 22:03:42 lol 22:03:48 i just force pushed again 22:03:51 and git says that i closed it 22:04:15 that makes it easy at least 22:04:36 <|amethyst> it looks like it pushed master to the patch? 22:04:52 <|amethyst> "drke2 wants to merge 0 commits into crawl:master from drke2:patch-2" 22:05:07 now there's a patch i'll commit 22:06:15 -!- lessens has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:07:02 it looks good; the hashes line up 22:07:11 whew 22:07:39 patch-2 was updated a month ago 22:09:18 ontoclasm: the mock-up tourney page looks nice aside from the bit where gammafunk has 9999 points 22:15:16 New branch created: pull/167 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/167 22:15:16 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/167 * 0.17-a0-2213-g118695e: Tweak Zin ability letters 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/118695ef1230 22:15:43 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:16:07 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 22:19:55 elliptic: :Y 22:20:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:23:39 elliptic: "lost the bolding to distinguish between winning games and non-winning games" <-- thanks, noted 22:24:07 ontoclasm: I like the mockup. But what's with the purple you use? Is this what you want as the crawl theme colour? 22:24:12 I guess it's more lavendar 22:24:53 I guess the yellow circle is for awards ('best player')? 22:25:31 -!- pisano has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:26:33 chequers: i sort of arbitrarily picked greyish-purple/yellow as the Crawl Colors a while back but obviously that's just me making stuff up 22:26:46 (it's because of zot) 22:26:51 yeah nah it's cool, I just wanted to check 22:27:11 -!- Poroso has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:27:15 I should create greyscale banners for unearned 22:27:21 then your idea would be really nice 22:29:56 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:30:17 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:31:48 i dunno where the nifty floral patterns on the banners came from 22:32:00 but maybe the background could be that same pattern? 22:32:09 like, the dark part behind the text boxes 22:33:00 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:33:09 presumably somebody has a psd or something of the banners we might swipe it from 22:33:29 Grunt: would you happen to have the banner pattern lying around? 22:33:52 mm 22:33:54 let me check 22:34:01 it's somewhere in the tournament repo in any case 22:34:17 i really like it, it's nice and subtle 22:34:27 ah, I do have it 22:34:32 let me put this somewhere convenient 22:35:22 it's svg in the tourney repo, yes 22:35:42 bannerfactory.svg 22:35:47 ^ 22:35:56 mm 22:38:25 yeah, and any comments on what i should do with the logo are welcome 22:38:31 maybe "forget about it" 22:38:55 slap "0.17 tournament" across it as a red badge 22:39:25 <|amethyst> !tell wheals hm, it looks like those first_slot things in _find_ability_slot aren't happening for god abilities 22:39:26 |amethyst: OK, I'll let wheals know. 22:40:44 hm, because they get set in set_god_ability_slots? 22:40:54 <|amethyst> yeah, it doesn't call _find_ability_slot at all 22:40:56 <|amethyst> trying out a fix 22:42:26 i see, it would abort on that first if 22:43:02 -!- lessens_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:44:25 -!- Guest52948 is now known as Zilis 22:48:04 <|amethyst> hm 22:48:26 <|amethyst> my change would make it so that, if you map berserk to a different letter with ability_slot, the others will be shifted down :( 22:48:34 <|amethyst> oh, I have an idea 22:51:20 !send |amethyst ideas 22:51:21 Sending ideas to |amethyst. 22:51:57 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 22:51:58 -!- dtsundere is now known as dtsund 22:57:22 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:57:48 <|amethyst> hm 22:57:55 <|amethyst> I think I am going to move one ability letter 22:58:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:59:01 <|amethyst> if you are a HO^Kiku and encounter an orc priest, conversion is currently on Z rather than A 22:59:17 <|amethyst> because Kiku uses W -> bless weapon, Y -> gift necronomicon 22:59:24 <|amethyst> I'm going to change that to W and X instead 22:59:50 so you can't abandon kiku anymore? :) 22:59:55 <|amethyst> oh 22:59:59 <|amethyst> right, X is used too 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:04 <|amethyst> W and Z then :P 23:00:23 <|amethyst> oh 23:00:28 <|amethyst> but what about felids :/ 23:00:43 <|amethyst> eh, they can still get the ability on Z and just not have a W 23:00:47 hill orc felids? 23:00:48 <|amethyst> since W is for Weapon 23:01:05 <|amethyst> no, just plain felids 23:01:07 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:01:24 <|amethyst> hm 23:01:43 <|amethyst> 'V' for necronomicon (Very eVil book, and 'V' even looks like an open book) 23:02:01 why not N 23:02:15 <|amethyst> hm 23:05:31 i think better to keep keys consistent rather than rely on mnemonics 23:05:40 <|amethyst> chequers: consistent with what? 23:05:58 <|amethyst> chequers: can't put Gift Necronomicon and Brand Weapon with Pain on the same letter... 23:06:25 <|amethyst> and no other god has two one-time abilities 23:07:34 [G]ift Necronomicon, you say... 23:08:52 -!- debo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 23:09:11 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 23:09:56 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:10:01 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 23:10:37 03DrKe02 07* 0.17-a0-2213-g118695e: Tweak Zin ability letters 10(59 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/118695ef1230 23:10:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2214-g3c052a8: Restore capital letters for one-time god abilities. 10(24 minutes ago, 3 files, 12+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3c052a84d903 23:10:37 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2215-g49c1de0: Move Gift Necronomicon to N by default (ontoclasm) 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/49c1de045d11 23:11:01 :U 23:11:16 now they'll know whom to blame!!! 23:11:31 <|amethyst> and since DrKe's PR was on latest trunk and I didn't have to rebase it, it turned purple without needing the ugly bubble 23:11:42 <|amethyst> yay for purple 23:12:01 -!- MetallicDragon has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 23:12:23 unfortunately i made the mistake of rebasing it 23:12:28 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: I assume you dropped #163 ("limned") after consulting with an unabridged dictionary :) 23:12:36 yeah 23:12:54 i thought it was exactly the same message as corona 23:12:59 i would think "limn" would be in a regular dictionary 23:12:59 but corona is "outlined" 23:13:01 =P 23:13:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:13:29 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: depends on how abridged it is :) 23:13:34 heh 23:13:36 true 23:13:41 outlimned in light 23:13:53 <|amethyst> Yredelimnul 23:14:17 |amethyst: i was thinking zin 23:14:44 donate gold isn't one-time, but it is an additional ability 23:15:14 <|amethyst> chequers: donate gold is in the normal a-e range, DrKe just moved it from a to e 23:15:30 <|amethyst> chequers: but cure all mutations is back on W now 23:15:36 yeah it puts sanctuary back on d 23:16:12 wait 23:16:18 donate gold was on a? 23:16:22 fair enough 23:16:24 yeah 23:16:30 did it shove recite to somewhere else? 23:16:32 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: after wheal's refactoring of god abilities, yes 23:16:32 b 23:16:36 ack 23:16:48 !blame2 wheals 23:16:48 wwwhhheeeaaalllsss 23:16:49 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: Trog's Burn Spellbooks was briefly on 'a' as well! 23:16:50 ontoclasm: elliptic: something more like this? https://crawl.project357.org/static/example/players/internetkraken.html 23:17:05 personally i like to have vital on a and recite on b, since you need to use them in that order 23:17:12 but ofc you don't get them in that order 23:17:16 heh 23:17:46 i like recite on a because i use it for every fight but there are some fights where i don't use vitalize 23:17:54 <|amethyst> I'm just happy I can no remap Animate Remains/Dead to k 23:18:00 ^ aa after every move 23:18:08 <|amethyst> which is short for 'keleton' I guess 23:18:10 sKeletons 23:19:22 chequers: neat 23:19:30 ontoclasm: elliptic: the problem with two-column is that it reduces the space for full width game tables 23:19:47 eg the date column is unreadable now 23:19:59 -!- Pisano2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:20:05 i always put haste on 'r' 23:20:08 for uh.... 23:20:12 well, it could be wider, or the font could be smaller 23:20:13 i put haste on h 23:20:14 'Really fast' 23:20:16 i guess 23:20:19 "run" 23:20:27 or that 23:20:34 i put swiftness on w 23:20:38 because i use s for something else 23:20:39 me too 23:20:40 i forget what 23:20:41 walkfast? 23:20:50 how about for "press s" 23:20:52 Weally fast 23:20:54 I feel like the page is already pretty wide 23:21:02 i think i use s for either phase Shift or some other tempbuff that you want to always use 23:21:06 i never use s for a spell 23:21:18 because i sometimes accidentally hit it instead of a 23:21:56 i actually want to make the columns even wider by putting spaces into big numbers "137370" -> "137 370" 23:24:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 23:24:40 !bug 603 23:24:40 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=603 23:24:57 !bug gammafunk 23:24:58 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=gammafunk 23:24:59 <.< 23:25:07 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:26:15 chequers: you could have each game take two lines 23:26:31 i.e. push everything from title onwards down to the next line 23:27:15 (i mean, they already do, but this way it'd happen in an intentional way instead of being messy) 23:27:41 -!- kunwon1 has joined ##crawl-dev 23:29:08 hm 23:30:27 -!- Krymise has quit [Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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