00:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:03:25 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:13:06 -!- Butz has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:13:54 -!- exant has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:13:59 -!- gazzien has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 00:16:04 -!- PleasingFungus has joined ##crawl-dev 00:16:09 I didn't implement the tukima's thing 00:16:09 PleasingFungus: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 00:16:13 because it turns out that dropping items is hard 00:16:26 ol 00:16:27 lol 00:16:28 and my implementation made the code incredibly ugly 00:16:37 I have a partial implementation if anyone else wants to have a shot. 00:17:06 what was the thing again? disarm ranged? 00:17:10 yeah 00:17:26 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:18:02 post the patch on sprunge.us or something and i'll have a look tomorrow. working on gell's atm 00:18:32 !send PleasingFungus extremely ugly code 00:18:32 Sending extremely ugly code to PleasingFungus. 00:18:50 holy crap it worked the first time exactly as i planned 00:19:13 impossible.... 00:19:17 seriously 00:19:22 one in a million 00:19:33 Grunt: speaking of gruntmons, you should bring back spark wasps 00:19:43 except without adding a new AF 00:19:53 PleasingFungus: I have a gruntstuff branch which I am going to land shortly after 0.17 tourney 00:19:56 it has 00:19:58 among other things 00:20:00 spark wasps 00:20:07 ! 00:20:26 does it have those other spider monsters? the striders? I vaguely remember being anti-them 00:20:32 something about ranged monsters in spider 00:20:36 storm striders are not on the branch currently 00:20:43 mainly because I haven't figured out what I want to do with them if anything 00:21:01 ait 00:21:54 right now I think gruntstuff is 00:22:11 - iron giants as a normal enemy; removal of opc (since they have exactly the same spellset) 00:22:18 -!- rhayde` has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:22:23 - the crystal colossus??? (not sure that will stick around) 00:22:39 - spark wasps, convert spider enemy into genus-only 00:23:08 - experimental spell set tweaks for Mnoleg and Gloorx (the earlier the better to see how well they work) 00:23:11 <|amethyst> ..., Orb Spider Form, ... 00:23:11 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:23:21 |amethyst: Spider Form + IOOD? 00:23:30 <|amethyst> Grunt: all in one spell 00:23:41 FR: IOOD breath mutation 00:23:49 !send PleasingFungus the Orbalest 00:23:49 Sending the Orbalest to PleasingFungus. 00:24:48 yes..... 00:25:03 orbalest = y 00:25:20 i'm writing up random new spells & getting distracted trying to clean up beam code 00:25:20 because evilmike suggested it <.< 00:25:23 haha 00:25:30 does he ever need to come in here? 00:25:35 (no, the Orbalest is not in gruntstuff) 00:25:41 *does he ever come in here 00:25:47 occasionally! 00:25:50 I still need to bitch at him about the final level of ori, for which he is factually responsible 00:26:04 !send PleasingFungus facts 00:26:04 Sending facts to PleasingFungus. 00:26:11 no! no!!! 00:26:18 PleasingFungus explodes into a cloud of blood? 00:26:19 * PleasingFungus melts. 00:28:31 PR opened. give that a whirl and see what you think 00:29:51 New branch created: pull/164 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/164 00:29:51 03hypractvChipmunk02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/164 * 0.17-a0-2128-g4d5a37f: Rework Gell's Gravitas for better synergy with Inner Flame 10(8 minutes ago, 3 files, 32+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4d5a37f93db2 00:31:07 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:32:07 hm, still stops after the monster dies though; bet that's in the set-up function 00:34:06 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:34:43 or a characteristic of actor_near_iterator 00:35:00 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: it's probably the victim->pos() in fatal_attraction() 00:36:22 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 00:36:44 ah, youah, does it get moved offscreen when it dies or something? 00:37:08 hm 00:38:39 oops, touched a header file 00:38:41 >8( 00:39:01 guess i'll make some dinner since i haven't eaten yet, then 00:39:11 >8P 00:39:20 <|amethyst> !send hypractvChipmunk a real computer 00:39:20 Sending a real computer to hypractvChipmunk. 00:39:37 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. It is not being flipped.] 00:40:12 <|amethyst> !send C++ a real computer 00:40:12 Sending a real computer to C++. 00:40:38 dude, my computer's fine 00:41:53 <|amethyst> you could try building without optimization 00:42:02 <|amethyst> hm 00:42:05 <|amethyst> are you using Windows? 00:42:05 -!- kreedzfreak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:43:04 <|amethyst> ISTR hearing about slowness with the build because fork is expensive on Windows 00:43:12 <|amethyst> or something is slow anyway 00:43:22 good lord, no 00:43:35 it's not *that* slow 00:43:51 it's just C++-slow 00:43:57 <|amethyst> heh 00:49:11 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: btw, in general you should just pass a coord_def by value 00:49:44 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: it's two ints, so on a 64-bit platform is the same size at the pointer entailed by call-by-reference 00:52:37 -!- Wahaha has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:52:38 you just want me to change a header again >8( 00:52:52 <|amethyst> :P 00:55:02 * hypractvChipmunk drums his fingers while he waits. 00:55:07 dum dee dum 00:55:34 -!- test1 has quit [Client Quit] 00:56:34 int extra_range_used = false; 00:56:36 * hypractvChipmunk reads Proust. 00:56:59 if anyone can explain to me how BEAM_STOP works, I'm all ears. 00:57:49 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: it's really big 00:58:02 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: inside the while loop in do_fire there is: 00:58:08 <|amethyst> if (range_used() > range) 00:58:09 <|amethyst> { 00:58:11 <|amethyst> ... 00:58:14 <|amethyst> break; 00:58:14 <|amethyst> } 00:58:44 hrm 00:59:46 <|amethyst> (and range_used() includes extra_range_used plus the actual distance this leg) 01:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:56 -!- MetallicDragon has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:01:22 yeah 01:01:40 hunting down a probably unrelated beam bug 01:01:50 <|amethyst> A beam bug? 01:01:53 <|amethyst> Surely you jest! 01:01:58 i'm a real joker 01:02:07 <|amethyst> (and don't call you Shirley) 01:05:23 man, this is a point in time in which it'd be really nice to be handy with a debugger 01:09:37 does osx have a good debugger for clang yet? 01:09:56 er, gdb works fine 01:10:38 what you compile doesn't really influence how you debug the output 01:10:42 compile with& 01:11:05 yeah I'm just bad with gdb 01:11:08 but there's also lldb on osx that uses llvm as its backend 01:11:26 but it'll work on gcc-compiled programs just as well, and vice-versa 01:11:31 also, last time I tried to use gdb on os x, it ate, uh, the enter key? iirc? so I wasn't able to navigate the menu? 01:11:34 it was some kind of mess 01:12:12 gdb wasn't really available on osx in a convenient way 01:12:23 there were complications, but I don't remember the details 01:12:39 something about homebrew ports 01:13:41 yeah and what you compile with can definitely influence how you debug the output 01:14:16 PleasingFungus: it's ok, DO developed all his stuff I think in windows and complained about not having a debugger, but never actually used one 01:14:35 I think he had a few intances of debugging statements slipping in to his mild embarrassment 01:14:38 nice 01:14:47 well, the code generation is different, but i've never heard of a C program that couldn't be debugged by GDB (or any other debugger) if the proper symbols are there 01:14:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-2128-g6372a0a: Turn mephitic cloud into a zap 10(30 minutes ago, 6 files, 18+ 44-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6372a0a1bdd2 01:14:51 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-2129-ge0a51af: Reduce nonsense prompts 10(86 seconds ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0a51af81d64 01:14:54 hm, every fix I make helps me find another bug 01:15:07 ZAP 01:15:32 it's possible that the first commit causes subtle bugs, but idk what they'd be 01:15:39 nice 01:15:57 subtle, unknown bugs 01:16:01 well 01:16:03 that's crawl 01:16:10 I assume monster meph still works fine? 01:16:18 that code is specifically for player meph 01:16:21 cool 01:16:22 <|amethyst> ︼earn add release engineering 01:16:22 Okay, not adding release => engineering 01:16:24 i haven't touched the monster mash at all 01:16:33 <|amethyst> zaps are a player-only thing anyway 01:16:44 yeah 01:17:03 yeah I knew zaps are, but a bunch of spells use the same or almost the same implementation for player/mons 01:17:49 <|amethyst> gammafunk: monster meph doesn't have much implementation per se, since it has a beam 01:17:51 maybe that's just internal pieces in general; I recall the monster casting code has like this epic switch 01:18:14 |amethyst: i can't lock down that victim->pos() without causing a strange assertion failure at mon-util.cc:2006 in subsequent casts for xom-only-knows what reason. i'll pick it back up tomorrow 01:18:19 (the monster mash: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Monster_Mash&oldid=684756429#Plot ) 01:18:20 <|amethyst> yeah, it's part of one of those huge switches 01:18:41 g*d bless 01:18:53 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: hm, I didn't get that when I tried 01:19:15 <|amethyst> but I completely annihilated several dozen orcs with one cast 01:19:22 heh 01:19:27 <|amethyst> (this was in trunk, not your branch) 01:19:29 hm. cast fire storm, target a friendly, and then cancel when prompted. 01:19:33 ah 01:19:37 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2129-ge0a51af (34) 01:19:45 you get two canned okays. why? 01:20:00 well, i'd hope it doesnt' assert fail on trunk >8) 01:20:08 mine shouldn't assert fail either 01:20:22 well, i guess if you change it 01:20:24 it might 01:20:27 <|amethyst> I mean, in trunk with a change to lock down pos() 01:20:30 yeah 01:20:45 this is why i'm going to bed >8) 01:21:11 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: break message.cc:1621 01:21:48 the fun thing is that if you allow it to keep going and let them go all the way to the center if it's open, you can still kill multiple orcs in my version 01:22:01 PleasingFungus: last sentence of that paragraph: "He reveals his name to be Boris." 01:22:04 because the subsequent ones crash into the one that lands in the middle after it's vacated >8) 01:22:11 gammafunk: it's a prophecy...... 01:22:17 which is kinda awesome 01:22:25 though wasn't my original intent 01:22:31 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: yeah, that's what happened with mine as well 01:22:37 Boris says to your seven-headed hydra, "We will mash again!" 01:22:41 gammafunk: as soon as someone posted a link to the page, someone else went and deleted the section :( 01:23:07 it's f*cked up as h*ck, imo. 01:23:25 It's striking because of it meticulously neutral wording, like a detective analyzing a crime scene 01:23:26 ah ha, got it 01:24:17 |amethyst: anyway, it wasn't the cast that caused the crash 01:24:20 it was the *next* cast 01:24:43 great messages in history: "The great blast of fire engulfs the goblin. You kill the goblin! Dithmenos accepts your kill. Dithmenos seems mollified." 01:24:46 as soon as i hit the spell hotkey 01:25:22 heh, does he not extend penance for using fire while under penance? 01:25:42 apparently! 01:25:44 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:26:01 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: yeah, I did several casts 01:26:01 fire/light conduct was the one big thing mikee got wrong in his proposal 01:26:55 |amethyst: try it with my branch and see if you can replicate, if you have the time. it might have been something i did in my wizmode antics to screw it up 01:28:25 hm, think i also toggled the iterator in place_near to not exclude the center square 01:28:54 anyway, g'night everybody 01:29:08 good to see some lively discussion again today >8) 01:29:11 it got slow this week 01:29:23 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: oh, I see the problem 01:29:34 * hypractvChipmunk falls out of his chair. 01:29:40 * hypractvChipmunk climbs back up. 01:29:42 whazzat 01:29:57 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: in attract_actor you are calling victim->collide() when newpos == pos 01:30:12 ah 01:30:14 but no victim 01:30:15 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: but collide asserts that something isn't colliding with itself 01:30:23 <|amethyst> there is a victim here 01:30:46 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:30:51 hrm, but why the assert over in exp_whatsis 01:30:55 <|amethyst> oh 01:31:07 <|amethyst> nm, this would be a different crash :) 01:31:23 oh, hey PleasingFungus 01:31:32 i tried out manufactoria a bit finally 01:31:41 http://sprunge.us/PDaN is my current state 01:31:53 (w.r.t. my branch) 01:32:06 seems neat, although i think i want to either use a desktop or hook up a mouse to my laptop for it 01:32:23 when i do a cast that kills something, the next cast crashes 01:32:36 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: yeah, that wouldn't have anything to do with it 01:32:46 <|amethyst> this looks like it's checking exper_value of a dead monster 01:32:48 hypractvChipmunk: obviously proving that gell's can't be made useful! 01:33:17 ProzacElf: pfft, it's still pretty awesomely useful even as-is in my branch 01:33:23 heh 01:33:24 i'm trying to make it even more useful still 01:33:47 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: err, I do see one more problem, but it is probably unrelated 01:34:01 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: you can dump things in lava in place_near 01:34:05 yep 01:34:10 i didn't see that as a problem 01:34:12 >8D 01:34:31 <|amethyst> being able to instakill pan lords with a l3 spell cast on some other monster with no MR 01:34:31 because dumping orcs in lava is awesome 01:34:41 <|amethyst> is a bit overpowered 01:34:44 pff 01:34:56 ProzacElf: heh 01:35:07 yeah, a mouse would probably be good 01:35:22 yeah, it's a real pita trying to use a trackpad 01:35:32 fine, you can change it to is_habitable or whatever it was i think 01:35:38 * hypractvChipmunk sulks. 01:36:35 hahaha 01:36:37 <|amethyst> (also, it can put something across a wall) 01:37:16 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:39:31 well, the attract_actor conditional tries to stop that before it gets to that point 01:39:51 it'll run into the wall before it gets to the center, and stop 01:40:35 i knew you could probably concoct a situation where you'd get something bouncing over a wall if you really tried 01:40:42 but i wanted to start simple 01:41:37 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 01:41:48 my internal lexicon of crawl functions is still very small 01:42:01 i'm sure if i was more familiar with LOS coding i could do something about that 01:42:17 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-2130-gad3df38: Remove a duplicate fire-storm OK 10(76 seconds ago, 1 file, 0+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ad3df388ee24 01:43:49 PleasingFungus: i think slouch is the same thing 01:44:00 if you ac near friendlies and cancel, you get two "okay, then" 01:45:21 %git cc756c734 01:45:22 07DracoOmega02 * 0.14-a0-3430-gcc756c7: Don't print a duplicate message when cancelling a beam that could hit an ally 10(1 year, 7 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cc756c7349da 01:45:38 strongly suspect this is the cause 01:46:00 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:46:43 hrm 01:47:25 %git 9e52e414 01:47:25 07galehar02 * 0.12-a0-619-g9e52e41: Fix dangling prompt in stop_attack_prompt. 10(3 years, 1 month ago, 1 file, 14+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9e52e41456b5 01:48:36 -!- MakMorn has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:50:14 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 01:52:38 ha 01:53:16 Fire-storm, OK? 01:53:38 Said the sulking deep elf annihilator child when asked what he wanted for Elf Christmas 01:54:37 Don't Sign Your Messages 01:54:42 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2129-ge0a51af 01:55:31 And yet another mystery appears... 01:55:35 <|amethyst> gammafunk: http://www.weather.com/safety/wildfires/news/oklahoma-wildfires-evacuations-interstate-35 01:55:38 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-2131-g245b47f: Deduplicate slouch OKs, too (amalloy) 10(47 seconds ago, 2 files, 1+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/245b47f16336 01:56:47 I would definitely be alarmed by a forecast of "High chance of firestorms" 01:58:11 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:58:13 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-2132-ge0d96ed: Remember the centre of Gravitas when its target dies. 10(33 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 3-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0d96ed766e9 01:59:06 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:01:40 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 02:02:23 |amethyst: I forget, what's standard naming practice for unused params? 02:04:12 <|amethyst> no name 02:04:58 Good, that's what I was doing. 02:06:00 <|amethyst> though it's common to use /*foo*/ where foo is whatever the parameter would be called elsewhere 02:06:15 <|amethyst> since presumably if you have an unused parameter it's because you're conforming to some interface 02:06:22 this is the worst interface ever 02:07:45 PleasingFungus: don't suppose you've ever built a GUI app in python? 02:07:48 03PleasingFungus02 07* 0.17-a0-2133-gde797ed: Remove unused slouch parameters 10(40 seconds ago, 3 files, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/de797edeb533 02:08:01 gammafunk: I have, but not a good one 02:08:10 I wonder if I still have the code 02:08:11 oh? what did you use toolkit-wise? 02:08:14 pyside? 02:08:16 tkinter. 02:08:19 ah, heh 02:08:21 yeah 02:08:23 yeah. 02:08:27 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 02:08:32 in its defense, it is very easy to use 02:08:34 well 02:08:37 relatively 02:08:40 I'm using kivy which is (unironically, in their words) NUI 02:08:51 yeah it's probably nice and simple, at least 02:09:11 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:09:18 it also has a look & feel that's consistent across platforms! 02:09:24 it's ugly on all of them 02:09:37 |amethyst: please consult my commit description above 02:09:47 yeah, I used some of the tcltk stuff in R, and it was pretty simple to use 02:09:50 and also very ugly 02:10:03 IDLE is a fine tkinter product, iirc 02:10:51 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:10:54 ??beem 02:10:54 beem[1/4]: beem is a WebTiles chat bot that relays irc commands to Sequell, Gretell, and Cheibriados. If beem is watching a game you're spectating, just type irc commands for these bots in WebTiles chat. It's being tested on cszo and will autojoin the non-idle game with the most spectators if it's not watching anyone. 02:11:03 I made this recently, using asyncio 02:11:21 works nicely but I want to move it to use tornado because it's using too much cpu for some reason 02:11:45 -!- Xelif_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:11:49 hrm 02:12:01 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:12:09 that's cool. 02:12:20 is the webtiles mob still around? 02:12:31 ye, we're watching comborobin right now 02:12:36 who is hurricos 02:12:46 !comborobin 02:12:49 comborobin progress: 353/615 (57%) 02:12:56 got to win them all 02:13:14 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:13:36 <|amethyst> !lg . playable x=cdist(char) 02:13:39 9972 games for |amethyst (playable): cdist(char)=608 02:13:42 wow 02:13:44 <|amethyst> got to lose them all 02:13:48 hm 02:13:50 how many of those were scripted in some way? 02:13:57 <|amethyst> does tab count? 02:14:02 |amethyst: I'm pretty sure that all of apply_area_* could just use closures, now? 02:14:03 heh, no 02:14:16 I thought you ran a quitter thing in tournaments 02:14:18 <|amethyst> gammafunk: then none of them 02:14:23 impressive work 02:14:28 <|amethyst> gammafunk: nope, I played every one of those games until I died 02:14:37 <|amethyst> I'm just good at dying quickly even if not trying 02:14:41 That's the crawl spirit 02:14:47 ya 02:14:49 <|amethyst> well 02:14:53 <|amethyst> every tournament game 02:15:01 <|amethyst> plenty of those 9972 were quit 02:15:08 <|amethyst> !lg . playable !boring x=cdist(char) 02:15:11 8958 games for |amethyst (playable !boring): cdist(char)=606 02:15:14 <|amethyst> oh 02:15:21 <|amethyst> I guess there are two combos I have only quit 02:15:24 <|amethyst> probably something wn 02:15:37 need an !untried command 02:16:01 <|amethyst> !lg . playable s=char / boring o=% 02:16:05 1014/9972 games for |amethyst (playable): 2/2x OpBe [100.00%], 1/1x OgFi [100.00%], 35/41x HuBe [85.37%], 106/133x HuFi [79.70%], 3/4x DsAs [75.00%], 4/6x CeFi [66.67%], 11/17x HaWn [64.71%], 5/8x KoFi [62.50%], 3/5x HuHu [60.00%], 3/5x NaFi [60.00%], 3/5x HEBe [60.00%], 16/27x MuWn [59.26%], 12/21x GhWn [57.14%], 12/22x TrWn [54.55%], 19/36x DgWn [52.78%], 1/2x OgWr [50.00%], 1/2x FeNe [50.00%], ... 02:16:13 <|amethyst> oh, no, opbe and ogfi 02:16:14 <|amethyst> hm 02:16:45 OpBe I could understand quitting 02:16:55 amused that none of you guys followed through on threats to snipe mantis issue 10000 02:17:45 Medar expressed regret at just missing it 02:17:53 well missing it barely 02:17:53 <|amethyst> PleasingFungus: unless their prototypes are changed they can only take lambdas without captures 02:18:24 <|amethyst> err 02:18:33 <|amethyst> I guess you could just change the cell_func typedef 02:18:37 <|amethyst> for example 02:18:43 yes 02:18:44 that is the plan 02:18:51 <|amethyst> hm 02:18:58 also, I really appreciate the existence of the aux parameter, which 02:19:01 <|amethyst> theoretically it can be much slower 02:19:03 as far as I can tell, does nothing and is never used 02:19:06 <|amethyst> "much" 02:19:15 how much is much 02:19:30 <|amethyst> probably not enough to matter unless you're applying something to the whole map 02:19:33 k 02:19:36 <|amethyst> and even then likely not 02:19:55 -!- keszocze has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:20:02 <|amethyst> (also, only if the function call itself is a significant part of the cost) 02:21:28 other good things: the signature for apply_area_cloud 02:23:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:23:10 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:23:26 is it time for @crawlcode... 02:25:57 I may have already put it there 02:28:28 -!- ololoev has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:32:08 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:35:38 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:36:38 _apply_apocalypse 02:40:02 -!- daiy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:44:22 |amethyst: so it looks like I need to turn the typedef from a function pointer to a std::function? 02:45:43 PleasingFungus: https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9810 can be closed now? 02:45:53 oh 02:45:56 yes, this is that exact bug 02:46:09 lmao @ wheals' comment 02:46:27 Medar: good catch! 02:46:44 %git :/nonsense 02:46:44 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-2129-ge0a51af: Reduce nonsense prompts 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e0a51af81d64 02:47:09 hm 02:48:23 so many prompt bugs, thought I had seen that one 02:48:39 @??fannar 02:48:39 Fannar (12e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 80 | AC/EV: 10/13 | Dam: 8 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 1007 | Sp: b.cold (3d18), refrigeration, sum.ice beast, blink [04emergency], armour, condensation shield | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 02:49:07 ...do any monsters actually cast metabolic englaciation? 02:49:20 oh, player ghosts. 02:49:42 well. pan lords. 02:49:56 and pghosts. 02:50:25 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More than function, I want to set a good example 10:53:16 no, the branch you put up earlier looked good to me and i can't think of any potential issues 10:53:28 this is a different/simpler branch :) 10:53:34 even better! 10:55:33 might be nice to add a typdef RNG ChaCha<32>; somewhere so if we want to change the implementation again someime it will be simpler 10:58:29 the patch I'm hacking at the moment uses PCG instead of ChaCha. It's drastically less code. 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I just saw a YASD on the Tavern that followed the staff of earth MiGl guide and I feel like I've seen a new low. 14:38:52 (If you want a main site example the TSO page recommends uses nets for a TSO stabber.) 14:39:14 speaking of the main site is the trunk build link hidden somewhere 14:39:18 I couldn't find it anywhere 14:39:59 <|amethyst> reaverb: only if we also remove the links to ##crawl, learndb, and tavern 14:40:08 <|amethyst> reaverb: all of which are also filled with bad information and advice 14:41:08 <|amethyst> also webtiles chat 14:41:09 oh, it's under development if you open the wordpress page 14:41:18 probably wouldn't hurt to put it under the download section 14:42:05 |amethyst: I would be OK with that, but I feel like Tavern and learndb are better at communicating subjectivety/not mixing factual information with said subjectivity. 14:42:18 That "remove crawl wiki" suggestion might have been a bit aggressively phrased >_> 14:42:39 !lg removebadwiki 14:42:39 No games for removebadwiki. 14:42:42 todo 14:42:51 <|amethyst> reaverb: are you referring to Buddy23Lee's guide? 14:43:05 <|amethyst> reaverb: it says right at the top of the page: "The following article is a character guide. This article contains advice from other players, and may be subjective and/or outdated. Read at your own risk and alter to fit your play style as necessary!" 14:43:09 <|amethyst> and also 14:43:12 <|amethyst> If you are new to Dungeon Crawl, this advice is NOT for you. Please visit the general articles elsewhere on this wiki and follow their sensible and well-established advice. The content below should be viewed as an advanced and challenging character build. Some players may also be philosophically opposed to the particular investitures of experience points this build requires and are encouraged to follow other play styles. 14:44:18 <|amethyst> In fact, as far as I can tell, that first warning is on *all* the character guides 14:44:30 <|amethyst> ??spen guide 14:44:31 hyperbolic[1/4]: My 0.16 SpEn guide: SKILLS: Approximate goals are as follows: 1) 5 Short Blades, 8 Stealth. 2) 4 Spellcasting, 8 Hexes. 3) 3 Fighting, 8 Dodging. 4) 8 Short Blades, 12 Stealth. 5) 6 Fighting/Spellcasting, 10 Short Blades/Hexes, 15 Dodging/Stealth. 6) 10 Fighting, 27 Stealth, and whatever spell skills you want. 14:44:35 <|amethyst> no such warning there 14:45:45 <|amethyst> I just really don't like this idea of trying to marginalise the people who aren't good players by removing their ability to communicate with others 14:46:01 -!- halv has quit [Client Quit] 14:46:05 <|amethyst> or by trying hard to make sure that others don't hear what they have to say 14:46:12 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:46:14 i don't feel like the wiki is a very good resource, but its not up to me to judge that 14:46:30 i do think you dont have to include every crawl reference 14:47:13 -!- reaverb has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:39 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 14:48:58 -!- heliob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:52:29 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:53:31 |amethyst: Didn't consider the "marginalization" point at all, I can see why that would be a negative effect. The "TSO users and nets" thing still doesn't have a warning. <_< 14:54:47 crawl wiki would be a better way to communicate with others if people were actually allowed to edit it 14:55:42 Tavern is proposing such pearls these days as "getting a few hp per turn isn't even good" so I'm not sure we should be worried too much about the wiki 14:57:37 yeah if you look at it next to the tavern the wiki starts looking a lot better 14:58:44 03bh02 07* 0.17-a0-2135-g415d666: Replace ASG with PCG 10(45 minutes ago, 9 files, 139+ 131-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/415d666aa2f0 14:58:44 03bh02 07* 0.17-a0-2136-g9769e29: Use the Saito/Matusomoto Technique for random_real 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 8+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9769e2930bd5 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:26 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 15:04:53 -!- parabolic is now known as hyperbolic 15:06:35 !learn e ebering s/$/, 10026 Xom's chesspieces/ 15:06:35 ebering[1/1]: ebering patches: 9375 monster holiness as a bitfield, 10017 vary banishment depth by power, 10026 Xom's chesspieces 15:07:07 s/vary banishment/very banishment/ 15:08:10 wow 15:08:12 so spellpower 15:08:19 those mantis report numbers are too big 15:08:24 imo close everything and start over 15:10:11 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:11:16 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 15:14:52 I wonder if projects do weird things like that to reduce cognitive load from bugs 15:15:51 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:17:56 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:18:14 bug number 17 AD 15:18:18 (after dithmenos) 15:20:25 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:21:37 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:21:57 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:22:28 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:22:36 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 15:31:26 -!- Lasty_ has left ##crawl-dev 15:32:56 gammafunk: I have actually seen that happen more than once 15:33:56 gammafunk: or, hash every bug number. so instead of bug #1 we have bug b026324c6904b2a9cb4b88d6d61c81d1, and then nobody notices when the numbers get too large 15:34:43 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-2137-g3419e77: Don't create an altar when blessing weapons 10(29 minutes ago, 3 files, 8+ 41-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3419e77d4b29 15:36:00 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-2138-g86bd286: Tweak some more god ability descriptions 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/86bd286256ee 15:36:41 Yeah I'm sure simply deleting the entire bug database and saying "welp, starting over" is done frequently enough 15:37:11 amalloy: we could then use short hashes like for git commits, but I guess those are still pretty long 15:37:34 oh but my altar flavor! 15:37:46 FR gammafunk-flavoured altars 15:37:59 five-digit bug ids? how cute. :P 15:39:27 Players in webtiles will be mortified by the loss of delicious flavor 15:39:29 ??marvinpa[4 15:39:29 marvinpa[4/5]: On his way to an all-ruin win of Crawl. (The thing he is ruining is fun). 15:39:34 That's what they'll say 15:40:12 i think removing the requirement to go to an altar and pray pretty much killed the flavour already :P 15:40:38 I know, I just liked it. It had no justification, of course 15:40:51 What they actually say anyways is always just "Were you the dev that added shrikes? Go to hell" 15:41:04 "What about death cobs, was that you? Go to hell" 15:41:21 at least you're not the guy who added juggernauts 15:41:25 he can go right to hell 15:41:30 pfft people know by now i don't add things 15:41:39 that's true 15:42:03 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 15:42:04 I do get Lasty-rage directed at me a lot 15:42:04 The build was broken. (master - 9769e29 #3470 : Brendan Hickey): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/87096428 15:42:05 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 15:42:30 -!- Ed902 has quit [Client Quit] 15:42:33 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 15:42:43 oh, snap 15:43:06 hrm, probably another make test failure 15:43:33 hrm, this is a seg fault 15:43:46 oh during ./crawl --builddb 15:43:52 double-snap 15:44:11 yeah both failing duing builddb 15:44:30 the other fulldebug builds didn't fail though 15:44:45 seems to be console fulldebug builds 15:44:57 oh console fulldebug builds with clang 15:45:10 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45:38 bh: know why console fulldebug builds with would segfault during -builddb due to your rng changes? 15:45:49 I think I can try that build 15:46:42 -!- lobf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:46:46 -!- airwave87 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:46:58 gammafunk: does it dislike my memcpy? 15:47:49 can anyone remind me of how to trigger building with clang for our makefile? 15:47:57 uh... it crashes during build? that's weird 15:47:58 bh: maybe I'll know more when I recreate the segfault 15:48:03 no not during build 15:48:05 during -builddb 15:48:15 which is running crawl to make the des file cache 15:48:21 -!- lobf has quit [Client Quit] 15:48:21 without starting crawl proper 15:48:25 it's crawl -builddb 15:48:54 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:48:54 k, let's see if I can replicate locally 15:49:02 this would affect our os x devs more than anyone 15:49:09 -!- heliob has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:49:10 <-- 15:49:47 oh, heh 15:49:53 you should have caught it then! 15:50:06 well, maybe you'd have no reason to run -builddb 15:50:47 yeah, not something I normally do. Generally I build debug-lite, too 15:55:00 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 15:55:38 grr. it isn't failing locally 15:55:52 do I need FORCE_CC and FORCE_CXX? 15:56:09 looks like I do 15:56:26 once more with feeling 15:56:59 well that failed spectacularly 15:57:54 oh we don't have neil 15:57:56 we're doomed 15:58:46 mind rolling back to 415d666aa and retrying? I can only build so fast 15:59:08 well I don't think we need to revert immediately 15:59:22 I just need to be able to even build the dang thing under clang 15:59:31 but FORCE_CC=clang is not working for me 16:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:08 export CXX=clang++ export CC=clang doesn't work? 16:00:44 no 16:00:48 -!- Akitten_Homura has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:53 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:00:59 makefile overrides those, FORCE_CC / FORCE_CXX overrides the makefile's override 16:01:11 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:01:16 do I need clang++ with FORCE_CXX? 16:01:20