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01:30:09 well I guess the answer is yes, but wondering if this is a known problem 01:30:17 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:32:15 -!- raskol has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:32:19 -!- Almacia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:33:23 -!- Xiberia has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:33:23 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:33:27 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 01:34:27 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:37:47 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: gnidhgle] 01:39:32 Corroded weapon enchantment not shown correctly on WebTiles HUD 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10005 by Medar 01:41:38 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:45:50 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51:40 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:53:43 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2027-gcac42c4 01:54:48 Gozag's gold aura isn't indicated on WebTiles HUD 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10006 by Medar 01:55:57 Not really feeling this re-implement everything approach for WebTiles HUD 01:56:37 well mumra had this grand vision of some kind of c++->js thing that's supposed to be really good 01:57:01 one implementation for both Tiles and WebTiles would be real spiffy for sure 01:57:15 I'll believe that when I see it 01:57:24 but those shouldn't be hard to implement, I'll take a look tomorrow 01:57:39 hrm, hows is the number incorrect? 01:57:39 -!- iFurril has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:57:44 re: corrossion 01:57:59 they aren't trivial 01:58:23 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:58:28 !source _print_stats_wp 01:58:28 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/output.cc#l869 01:58:32 if anyone wanted to know, the robe of vines is completely ridiculous even with no device healing. until a wretched star makes it so you can't heal naturally either =) 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:02 that certainly doesn't look to bad to move to js, but maybe I'll learn otherwise when I sit down to do it 02:00:45 well, either you have an ugly hack or port all of the item naming code 02:01:07 I mean sure you can try to find the "plus part" of the string and then reduce from it 02:01:24 or you can send two different names for the client 02:01:30 yeah 02:01:43 that sounds like a pretty easy approach 02:01:56 also horribly hacky 02:02:54 I'll probably look into just sending the whole status bar as text to the client, think it just tries to be too smart when the rest of the game isn't coded like that 02:03:33 maybe there is something that makes that bad too though not sure, but at least local tiles version has no problem sharing this status bar code 02:03:46 yeah, I don't think there's a thing in the client that avoids the description horribly hacky 02:04:17 I mean things like the hp bar (with deterministic poison) are basically a reimplementation 02:04:27 -!- Stendhal is now known as Zilis 02:04:36 DO remarked that the hp bar code in the js client looked more sane than the Tiles version 02:04:58 doesn't mean the right strategy is just piling on more hacks 02:05:35 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:05:37 there is also https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=8267 02:05:38 this is crazy; why is there even logic in a file called "output.cc"? >8x 02:05:54 well it to fix the display it probably does? Unless you have ideas for how to rework the way crawl and the client communicate in terms of what's sent 02:06:07 maybe more stuff can be premade in crawl 02:06:21 and sent over the json instead of having the client do so much work 02:06:27 yeah, that's what I'm going to try, we'll see 02:06:31 -!- raskol` is now known as raskol 02:06:34 s/well it/well/ 02:07:07 cool, let me know if you get anywhere and need help testing/tweaking or w/e 02:07:13 yeah, there's no reason at all for it to be doing anything else. this is a ridiculously small amount of data 02:07:28 I can fudge through js, but I'm not very good with it or jquery 02:08:31 it's just overly complicated for it does atm, don't know if there were some bigger plans at some point 02:08:48 like it sends the whole inventory, but then only uses it for showing weapon and quiver 02:09:24 yeah, that's silly; send the whole inventory when the player hits 'I'...in fact, don't even do that; just send what the screen needs to show 02:09:53 it shouldn't even be aware of what this "inventory" business is 02:10:48 yeah so it does 02:12:50 all it really needs to know is "okay i've got to draw a box big enough to show these strings and then stick 'em in there with click handlers attached" 02:13:01 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:13:49 well, there are other considerations 02:14:07 none that warrant sending the entire inventory 02:14:08 like menus include more data, so you can scroll on the client side nicely 02:14:24 well, sure, but that's part of "big enough to show these strings" 02:15:26 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:15:33 you don't need teh actual data behind the inventory items to be there at all 02:16:15 just "a - a +1 dagger" "b - a +0 robe" 02:18:12 -!- Almacia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:19:56 -!- rossi has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 02:20:35 03Medar02 07* 0.17-a0-2028-g5c22979: Hide quiver status line for Felids in WebTiles. 10(36 minutes ago, 2 files, 5+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5c22979b0ed2 02:24:57 -!- rast has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26:36 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:29:31 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:33:17 Wonder if Grunt would mind if I replaced the elves in the profane halls loot chamber with something not so full of elf 02:33:34 he'd probably just give me a newline... 02:37:14 -!- cojitoo is now known as cojito 02:39:14 oh right 02:39:25 !vault evilmike_silver_temple 02:39:26 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/float.des#l2327 02:39:46 why runed doors for the loot? 02:50:36 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2028-g5c22979 02:54:39 -!- t4nk2 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:56:02 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:56:26 -!- read has joined ##crawl-dev 02:56:29 pure laziness probably 02:56:36 even the vault 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@??salamander_firebrand 03:28:44 salamander firebrand (16N) | Spd: 10 (swim: 70%) | HD: 15 | HP: 83-113 | AC/EV: 5/15 | Dam: 2805(firebrand:15-29) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter | Res: 06magic(80), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1343 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 03:29:03 @??balrug 03:29:03 balrug (052) | Spd: 12 | HD: 14 | HP: 62-93 | AC/EV: 5/12 | Dam: 2504(fire:14-27) | 05demonic, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(160), 04fire+++, 03poison, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 12cold, 12drown, 08holy++ | XP: 1663 | Sp: b.fire (3d23) [06!sil], fireball (3d23) [06!sil], sticky flame range (3d6) [06!sil], smiting (7-17) [06!sil] | Sz:.. 03:29:11 @??salamander_stormcaller 03:29:11 salamander stormcaller (05N) | Spd: 10 (swim: 70%) | HD: 15 | HP: 67-84 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1004(fire:15-29) | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(60), 04fire+++ | Vul: 12cold | XP: 1262 | Sp: conjure flame (42d1), sticky flame range (3d6), chant fire storm | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 03:31:50 @??tengu_warrior 03:31:51 tengu warrior (10Q) | Spd: 10 (move: 90%) | HD: 10 | HP: 51-68 | AC/EV: 5/16 | Dam: 16, 8, 8 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, archer, fly | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 868 | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 03:31:57 @??deep_elf_knight 03:31:58 deep elf knight (10e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 41-58 | AC/EV: 1/14 | Dam: 21 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(80) | XP: 789 | Sp: dazzling spray (3d12), conjure flame (42d1), invisibility, swiftness / stone arrow (3d18), mystic blast (3d16), haste, s.golubria / throw icicle (3d20), haste, invisibility, condensation shield | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 03:35:40 @??spriggan_berserker 03:35:40 spriggan berserker (04i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 12 | HP: 45-64 | AC/EV: 3/18 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, priest, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120) | XP: 836 | Sp: brothers in arms [11!AM], berserker rage [11!AM], trog's hand [11!AM] | Sz: little | Int: human. 03:36:54 @??deep elf mage 03:36:54 deep elf mage (06e) | Spd: 10 | HD: 6 | HP: 20-35 | AC/EV: 1/12 | Dam: 5 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster | Res: 06magic(40) | XP: 211 | Sp: b.magma (3d14), stone arrow (3d12) / flame tongue (3d9), sticky flame range (3d4), fireball (3d14), throw flame (3d6) / freeze, throw icicle (3d14), sum.ice beast / magic dart (3d4), force lance (3d10), battlesphere, mystic blast (3d12) / mystic blast (3d12),.. 03:37:09 @??vampire knight 03:37:09 vampire knight (10V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 11 | HP: 45-93 | AC/EV: 19/7 | Dam: 33, 1505(vampiric) | 07undead, 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, evil, spellcaster, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1347 | Sp: blink close, paralyse, haste, invisibility, vampiric draining [04emergency] | Sz: Medium | I.. 03:40:08 @??vampire_mage 03:40:08 vampire mage (06V) | Spd: 10 | HD: 10 | HP: 41-67 | AC/EV: 12/10 | 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03:41:08 spriggan air mage (11i) | Spd: 10 (move: 60%) | HD: 14 | HP: 40-62 | AC/EV: 3/22 | Dam: 16 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible, fly | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 954 | Sp: airstrike (0-38), b.lightning (3d19), control winds, deflect missiles | Sz: little | Int: human. 03:42:43 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:47:08 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 03:52:00 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:58:30 -!- Norgs is now known as Guest99932 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:20 -!- Norgs_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00:46 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-2029-gc0060d7: Fix stairs in grunt_profane_halls and adjust monster set 10(17 minutes ago, 1 file, 5+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c0060d774081 04:08:36 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:09:05 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:11:37 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping 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has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:27:47 -!- gressup has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:31:42 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:31:53 augh. i just went down a hatch accidentally. #135 pls 07:37:36 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:47:59 -!- ekix has quit [Quit: leaving] 07:57:18 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:05:47 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:10:56 how do you keep doing that? 08:11:02 do you use X> to go down a level? 08:12:31 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:21:34 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:21:47 -!- Idolo has quit [] 08:22:16 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:24:56 i sometimes use X>.>, yes. and the hatch color is close enough to the stair color that i don't always notice. i guess i should recolor them 08:25:17 ??rcfile 08:25:18 rcfile[1/3]: 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Been a while... 11:55:36 I think the last time I looked in here I was at my old job 11:55:39 !tell gammafunk I think I suggested to someone else that giants would be a logical choice for (some of) the replacement 11:55:39 Grunt: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 11:57:58 !tell gammafunk also I believe that temple vault used to contain a silver star, hence the door 11:57:59 Grunt: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 11:58:59 !tell gammafunk (clearly put a seraph in there instead) 11:59:00 Grunt: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:01:25 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 12:07:26 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:10:32 -!- WalrusKing has joined ##crawl-dev 12:14:24 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 12:19:18 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:27:06 -!- evilmike has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:44 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:41:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:44:10 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:48:42 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:49:33 -!- swartzcr has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:57:53 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 12:58:00 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:12 -!- Wheatmill_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:02:28 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:03:25 -!- radinms has quit [] 13:04:28 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-2030-g9ce824c (34) 13:08:26 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:10:03 <|amethyst> !tell gammafunk does that last commit use white for both metal and glass? That seems like a minor UI screw in console 13:10:04 |amethyst: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 13:10:40 -!- HellTiger has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:16:18 -!- G-Flex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:17:05 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 13:19:23 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:19:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:28:46 -!- Twiggytwiggytwi_ has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:32:09 -!- serq has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:48:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 13:48:35 -!- Kellhus has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:54:24 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:56:26 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06:00 -!- Cacophony has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:10:37 -!- Pacra_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:17:48 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:20:22 -!- Pipel has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:32:30 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:33:45 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:39:11 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:41:59 -!- Vidiiot has quit [] 14:47:29 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:47:54 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:56 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:16 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:20 -!- Lasty_1 has joined ##crawl-dev 14:55:45 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:59:23 -!- MarvinPA__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:45 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 15:02:23 -!- witidek has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 15:02:43 -!- MarvinPA__ is now known as MarvinPA 15:05:05 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:07:14 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:08:39 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19:19 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:31:11 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:40:56 -!- rhayde` is now known as daiy 15:42:52 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:11 -!- Maelson has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:48:44 |amethyst: Yeah it used white for the transparent stone, but I guess I didn't consider that to be a UI screw 15:48:45 gammafunk: You have 5 messages. Use !messages to read them. 15:48:52 I supposed you could argue that it is 15:52:36 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:05:21 -!- Snarg has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:05:45 -!- Kramin has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:09:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:17:20 -!- shnurlf has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:24:49 -!- MrRen is now known as Guest73418 16:25:00 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:27:23 -!- Zilis is now known as Guest52809 16:27:39 -!- Stendhal has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:27:48 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:29:21 -!- Guest73418 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:30:01 -!- misha has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:33:05 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:36:31 -!- Guest52809 is now known as zilis 16:36:33 -!- zilis is now known as Zilis 16:39:19 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:39:56 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:40:18 -!- Xiberia_ has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:47 -!- ZanniqlcKzxkq has joined ##crawl-dev 16:44:48 -!- Vizer_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:44:49 -!- Xiberia has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:44:57 -!- Xiberia_ is now known as Xiberia 16:45:23 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:46:09 -!- read has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:51:26 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:52:31 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:53:33 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:54:05 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 16:54:39 -!- Doesnt has quit [*.net *.split] 16:54:39 -!- Zannick has quit [*.net *.split] 16:54:39 -!- speranza has quit [*.net *.split] 16:54:39 -!- ChongLi has quit [*.net *.split] 16:54:39 -!- Wensley has quit [*.net *.split] 16:54:39 -!- axujen has quit [*.net *.split] 16:54:42 -!- axujen_ is now known as axujen 16:59:12 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:13 -!- 92AAB9ELJ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:13 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:13 -!- Wensley has joined ##crawl-dev 17:00:15 -!- mineral has quit [Changing host] 17:00:15 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 17:01:28 what is ranged reform going to encompass again? 17:01:56 is it still going to involve always-mulching ammo 17:03:21 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 17:04:45 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:04:56 -!- 92AAB9ELJ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:21:02 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 17:25:10 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:25:25 lightli: 17:25:30 ??ranged_reform 17:25:31 ranged reform[1/1]: 1) give launchers their own equipment slot; 2) ammo always mulches; 3) keep skills the same (at least for now); 4) goldify ammo. Optional: overhaul throwing & blowguns & ammo brands; condense skills; maybe remove slings for ammo consistency in condensed skills. 17:26:07 yeah that seems right (except for killing off being able to use ranged weapons as your only method of offense) 17:26:40 Either we have do that or find a way to make them inherently interesting 17:27:19 trog and oka worshippers can probably still mainline it 17:30:10 or with the +9 crossbow "GlueGun" {Vorpal +AmmoPreservation -rSticky} that someone inevitably adds 17:34:26 -!- Lasty1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:34:32 and the hunter god with a +ammo power 17:34:42 that someone will also add 17:35:22 or a ranged weapon that gives you small amounts of ammo whenever you kill something with it 17:35:52 but in exchange doesn't do as much damage as a regularly enchanted ranged weapon 17:35:56 -!- |amethys1 has joined ##crawl-dev 17:37:31 "Sure it's more tedious to have to shoot extra, but at least you can do it forever" 17:40:05 -!- Mindiell_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:41:41 -!- FatShack_ has joined ##crawl-dev 17:42:07 there's some info on the 0.17 planning page about ranged reform too 17:42:44 hopefully is says pretty much the same 17:42:45 yeah, not sure if I messed those entries up or not though, ranged_reform in learndb might be more accurate 17:43:02 -!- cribozai has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:02 -!- Lasty has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:02 -!- Zeor has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:02 -!- polom has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:02 -!- bencryption has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:03 -!- jefus has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:03 -!- Mindiell has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:03 -!- TMTurtle_ has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:03 -!- orbekk has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:03 -!- |amethyst has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:04 -!- lukano has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:04 -!- FatShack has quit [*.net *.split] 17:43:14 -!- Zeor1 is now known as Zeor 17:43:14 but in any case, it's Lasty's project, so he can tear up the plan :) 17:43:21 haha 17:43:42 I wonder if there's some google wiki thing we could use 17:43:45 instead of the dev wiki 17:43:55 google have docs but no wiki 17:43:57 github has a wiki! 17:44:04 yeah, the rest of the devteam seems fairly indifferent 17:44:23 -!- Mindiell_ is now known as Mindiell 17:45:37 hrm, github wiki 17:46:02 it's not grrreat, but compared to moinmoin it's the best webapp ever 17:48:04 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:48:57 New branch created: pull/139 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/139 17:48:58 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/139 * 0.17-a0-2001-gb57a004: Upgrade Qaz wrath. 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 6+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b57a004c52de 17:49:21 -!- jefus has joined ##crawl-dev 17:51:39 -!- Milski has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:54:02 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/139 * 0.17-a0-2002-ge382b19: Remove deformed body from Qaz wrath mut list. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e382b19e7103 17:58:45 i thought ranged combat was reformed :P 17:58:49 does it need to be fixed again?? 17:59:46 i do think those UI ideas would be quite nice, i like it when games use a different equip slot for ranged weapons 17:59:50 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:23 evilmike: it was "reformed" to be more like melee combat 18:00:46 now it needs reform to make it not just better, more irritating, and less interesting than melee combat. 18:00:55 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 18:01:06 btw i will say again my brilliant idea for an artifact. the "orbalest" a crossbow that is orb branded (shoots orbs of destruction) 18:01:10 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-2030-g9ce824c (34) 18:01:12 -!- n1k has quit [Changing host] 18:01:12 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:28 not Crossbow of the Orb Spider? 18:06:36 also gives the player +MaintainDistance 18:08:27 like some kind of reverse obsidian axe 18:14:01 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:21:30 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:22:46 evilmike: reminds me of my idea of reimplementing LCS-the-unrand as actually casting crystal spear 18:22:53 -!- n1k has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:23:55 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 18:24:19 -!- n1k is now known as Guest62182 18:25:08 also reminds me of Planethreader, as deliberately overpowered as that was 18:25:32 (hilarious though) 18:29:39 Pan level borders are still indistinguishable from regular walls until you try to dig them 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10007 by Sar 18:30:07 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 18:32:18 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:32:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:46 %git HEAD^1 18:37:46 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-2029-gc0060d7: Fix stairs in grunt_profane_halls and adjust monster set 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 7-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c0060d774081 18:38:01 Grunt: if you're unhappy with any of that, let me know and I can tweak it 18:38:05 re: the monster sets 18:38:24 I could make a Giant alternat set, since we have so many, but that'd be kind of a different threat 18:38:50 the dragons are kind of similar to giants 18:42:00 @??juggernaut 18:42:00 juggernaut (09C) | Spd: 15 (atk: 450%) | HD: 20 | HP: 158-185 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 120 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 7224 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 18:42:14 those do move unimpeded in water... 18:44:16 todo: the iron giant 18:44:22 (that can wait until 0.18 though) 18:44:54 Error, exp for monster with no damage: ball lightning 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=10008 by Sar 18:46:24 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:49:59 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:51:48 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 18:54:03 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:57:46 -!- Evablue_ is now known as Evablue 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:03 -!- VoidFox has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:01:49 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 19:03:19 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 19:04:56 -!- mineral has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:05:21 -!- mineral has joined ##crawl-dev 19:06:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:06:41 -!- Norgs is now known as Guest64276 19:06:59 -!- Guest64276 is now known as Norgs_ 19:08:24 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:17:31 -!- nicolae- has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:14 haven't done *this* in ages 19:24:17 03Grunt02 07* 0.17-a0-2031-g7cc3053: De-elf-ify profane_halls a bit more. 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7cc30532554f 19:24:17 03Grunt02 07* 0.17-a0-2032-g77d26e8: Prune a long and aggravating-to-maintain monster set. 10(4 minutes ago, 1 file, 46+ 94-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77d26e86b180 19:24:43 Grunt commits!!! 19:24:49 runnnnnn 19:24:55 <_< 19:25:43 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:27:00 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:30:47 "grunt commits" can be anagrammed into "run! gtcommits!" 19:32:19 also, i really wish NSUBST had an option to be like "ignore 3 of these glyphs and change the rest" 19:32:52 hrm, just use a different glyph for those three? 19:32:59 well 19:33:22 I guess you want some kind of things for SUBST: A = $n-3:B / A 19:33:28 er NSUBST 19:33:52 that doesn't work so well if you're NSUBSTing on multiple glyphs 19:33:59 which comes up A Lot lately in certain vaults i'm making 19:34:08 can't you just do NSUBST: A = 3:A / B 19:34:35 so replace 3 with the same glyph and the rest with B? 19:34:42 ^ 19:34:44 that works just fine 19:34:55 it would be perfect if it were possible to do, like, NSUBST: ABC = 2: / *:+, which would mean "if there's at least three of the ABC glyphs, make all but two a door, but if there's two or less do nothing" 19:35:21 yeah NSUBST: A = 3:A / B is just fine if it's just A 19:35:49 this is the sort of thing that i'm not sure anybody would use but me but i wanted to gripe a little 19:37:24 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:37:39 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:38:05 yeah it's a little hard for me to see how to generalize this as a notion. Seems like something that would be fairly complicated compared to just doing the replace of A, B, and C on seperate lines 19:38:37 NSUBST: A = foo, B = foo, C = foo is distinct from NSUBST: ABC = foo 19:38:39 For the "do nothing if less than this many", I guess the vault author is supposed to know how many of a glyph are being placed 19:39:09 isn't that applying the rule seperately to each glyph, that second form? 19:39:11 no 19:39:19 that applies it to that set of glyphs as a whole 19:39:48 so NSUBST: ABC = 1:x / *:. would replace one out of all the ABCs with a wall and the rest with . 19:40:08 hrm, I don't actually see this behaviour documented for SUBST or NSUBST 19:40:09 whereas NSUBST: A = 1:x / *:., B = etc etc, C = etc would replace one A with a wall, one B with a wall, one C with a wall 19:40:16 it's at the end of the syntax file iirc 19:40:48 haha, so it is 19:42:07 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:42:44 that's rather different than every other interpretation of TAG: XYZ = 19:42:57 but I guess it's useful 19:43:07 very useful 19:43:32 Well I've done some of the most complicated vaults, and I'v never needed it 19:43:40 it probably just saves you a line/glyph or two 19:43:54 but I've deffo reliaed on the multi-glyph-assign thing for other tags 19:44:43 i've got a small number of vaults that rely on it, at least a few that are in my "yet-to-submit" file 19:45:11 which would probably be the case for the NSUBST: ABC = 2: / *:. thing (i.e. used very very rarely) 19:45:41 -!- Stendhal is now known as Zilis 19:45:47 you can of course always achieve this with some other glyph substitution/usage 19:45:57 but yeah I don't think we can afford to add even more arcane rule logic 19:46:07 it's pretty hard of the unitiated as-is 19:46:13 yeah 19:46:15 s/of the/for the/ 19:46:24 it'd be possible with some complicated lua but who has the time 19:46:30 and *uninitiated 19:46:34 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 19:48:40 unless you're outright randomizing the number of instances of ABC, you won't even need lua, just some more complicated glyph substitutions 19:48:53 !tell evilmike I just had to: http://sprunge.us/GfiG 19:48:53 Grunt: OK, I'll let evilmike know. 19:49:16 even worse than Planethreader 19:49:26 yikes 19:49:27 evilmike: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 19:49:34 what was planethreader? I guess I missed that one 19:49:43 I wonder if I have the patch here somewhere still 19:49:48 Planethreader was a crossbow of distortion 19:49:55 every bit as overpowered as that sounds 19:49:55 if there's other (N)SUBSTs beforehand it could change the number of ABCs, for one 19:50:50 -!- Lawman0 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51:02 more overpowered unrands imo 19:51:48 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:52:42 shooting orbs wouldnt necessarily be that great, assuming the damage is on the same level as a bolt, and still had the penalty for hitting stuff at point-blank that orbs have 19:52:58 no no, this just straight up casts IOOD 19:53:01 more fun that way <_< 19:53:03 ah 19:53:16 fire and forget 19:53:25 make an arbalest that shoots hell sentinels 19:53:33 hahahahaha 19:53:46 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:53:54 I thought about implementing player throwing a bunch 19:53:55 Hellsentinelfire 19:54:03 came up with a couple ways it could work, but... 19:54:05 gammafunk: make a Giant race around it >_> 19:54:25 ...then I thought to myself, "who am I, Grunt?" 19:54:35 you could be 19:54:37 hey, *some* of my ideas are useful and playable 19:54:39 there's a little Grunt in all of us 19:54:45 1learn add 19:55:46 nicolae-: I know exactly how to make Hellsentinelfire work 19:55:53 it summons Hell Sentinels 19:55:54 hostile 19:56:00 boooring 19:56:04 exciting! 19:56:09 we all need more Hell Sentinels to fight >_> 19:56:10 Horn of Grunt 19:56:21 oh you misunderstand 19:56:24 weapon that can be evoked to banish everything in sight including the player 19:56:25 it still fires Hell Sentinels 19:56:27 they're just hostile 19:56:31 haha 19:56:47 summon a hostile Hell Sentinel anywhere in LOS; bonus damage to a monster if you target one 19:56:50 durably summoned, I take it 19:56:53 of course! 19:57:07 Bellfire, there's the tinkling of a tiny bell and butterflies appear 19:57:33 Hellflyer; shoot a monster with it to send them flying back (also has +Fly) 19:57:55 actually, a pushy ranged weapon might not be that bad of an idea for an unrand 19:58:00 kind of the opposite of Piercer 19:58:07 You could have player throwing that maybe used the disco targetter, simply choosing a direction selects the adjacent monster and throws them somewhere in the cone 19:58:12 as opposed to a pushy melee weapon, i.e. the singing sword 19:58:19 maybe distance/damage based on a relevant skill 19:58:19 well it can be pushy like that too! 19:58:25 The ____ shoots its mouth off. 19:58:58 if you mean something that knocks back enemies, that kind of effect can be extremely powerful. i guess it wouldnt happen on 100% of hits 19:59:09 s/extremely/quite/ 19:59:24 we already have white dr breath 19:59:31 and Force Lance 19:59:34 doctor breath 20:00:05 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:17 i still have a few unrand ideas but they're not very flashy or complicated 20:01:39 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 20:01:40 well, a breath attack is alright (it has a cooldown). being able to do that with a launcher is a bit different 20:02:55 -!- wst has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:06:24 -!- MrRen is now known as Guest66080 20:09:06 -!- Stendhal has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:13:07 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:05 -!- Norgs_ has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.1.1] 20:21:42 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:26:33 -!- Lasty1 is now known as Lasty 20:27:31 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:27:45 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:28:19 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:29:59 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:34:29 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:35:07 -!- nicolae- has left ##crawl-dev 20:35:25 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:37:05 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:06 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:41:33 only a matter of time before we have the dog that shoots bees, i take it 20:42:36 -!- Norgs is now known as Guest94565 20:42:54 -!- Guest94565 is now known as Norgs_ 20:47:24 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:47:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 20:51:31 -!- polom_ has quit [Read error: No route to host] 20:52:20 -!- witidek has quit [Client Quit] 20:59:34 -!- Guest66080 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:31 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:03:20 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:13:06 -!- MrRen is now known as Guest90417 21:14:59 -!- Stendhal has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:16:10 does gell's gravitas have to target a creature? 21:16:34 -!- zero_one has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16:35 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 21:16:38 -!- Zilis is now known as Guest31782 21:17:46 -!- Guest90417 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:17:52 no 21:17:55 (at least not any more) 21:18:03 actually that may not be done yet 21:18:03 ok the description is very misleading then 21:18:20 I know someone was working on it but I don't think it's done 21:18:27 (i.e. making it target anywhere) 21:18:28 "Briefly redirects space around the target, making 'down' become exactly where the target is standing." 21:18:35 it seems to be targetable anywhere 21:18:40 ah 21:18:56 but i've failed all 8 attempts to cast the spell at 20% failure >8P 21:19:01 sounds like it's describing... normal gravity ;] 21:19:02 so i can't confirm 21:19:34 also the target isn't really standing if it's the floor >8P 21:20:11 also, as it goes on to say, "All nearby creatures, save the caster, fall helplessly toward the victim - typically colliding with it, or with each other." 21:20:43 the target, the victim...these things are poor nouns to apply to a location in empty space 21:20:51 for (int i = MAX_GOD_ABILITIES; i >= 0; ++i) 21:20:56 "oops" 21:21:12 i guess we'll find out if i ever successfully cast this darn thing 21:21:40 "The spell fizzles." 21:21:43 * hypractvChipmunk sighs. 21:21:56 "The spell fizzles." 21:22:08 "The spell fizzles." 21:22:11 yeah it's smite-targetted now but you still can't target it at air 21:22:12 seriously now 21:22:16 MarvinPA was working on it 21:22:24 ah, so the fizzle is invalid target, not spell failure 21:22:30 nice for loop 21:22:34 that's also super unclear 21:22:38 i thought it was miscasting 21:23:16 so basically it's a spell that damages a creature proportional to the number of creatures adjacent to it? 21:23:34 since things can't really fall towards the occupied square 21:23:39 and it's only radius one 21:23:51 it's radius one? 21:24:01 yeah 21:24:11 or does that change with spellpower, perhaps? 21:24:31 these things are super-unclear 21:24:50 "Gravity reorients around the gnoll." 21:24:58 the strength does improve with power 21:25:02 i can't tell if it took any damage or what 21:26:05 the original idea behind Gell's is that you crush monsters with other monsters 21:26:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:26:14 yeah, i get the theme of it 21:26:16 it does pull enemies around 21:26:36 how can it? there's nowhere for them to be pulled to if you can't target empty space 21:26:51 sure you can 21:26:59 target monster A with nearby monster B 21:27:03 B is pulled towards A and collides with A 21:27:21 but A is standing in the square 21:27:25 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:27:29 so? 21:27:33 so B doesn't move 21:27:38 B does move 21:27:46 if B is more than one tile away, B moves adjacent to A 21:27:51 and A takes damage 21:27:53 but you can't target more than one tile away 21:28:01 ... 21:28:11 it's a 3x3 square that has to be centered on a creature 21:28:12 try improving your spellpower and get back to me :b 21:28:30 if B is already adjacent to A, A still takes damage 21:29:13 this description needs to be far more clear if you need a bunch of spellpower before it works anywhere near the way it intuitively ought 21:29:51 define "intuitively" 21:30:04 "in-line with the apparent theme" 21:30:06 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:30:10 let me rephrase that 21:30:13 because i've been trying to use it for several thousand turns now and i'm not sure what it's supposed to do 21:30:15 how do *you* expect the spell to work? 21:30:22 i expect it to work as you described 21:30:24 but it doesn't 21:30:37 not until i get spell power apparently 21:30:39 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:31:05 right now the description i gave earlier seems more apt: damages a creature proportional to the number of other creatures adjacent to it 21:31:19 assuming it does that 21:31:21 i can't even tell 21:31:59 and i lose mana and get a message that looks like a miscast if i target an empty space 21:32:51 does it actually do damage proportional to the number of creatures around it? or is it the same as long as there's at least one? 21:33:03 it's on a per-collision basis 21:33:07 !lm elliptic 21:33:08 43867. [2015-10-11 01:10:29] elliptic the Grappler (L12 OgTm of Ru) entered the Lair of Beasts on turn 11764. (D:11) 21:33:21 but sif 21:33:41 !polytheist elliptic 21:33:47 03amalloy02 07* 0.17-a0-2025-g4c446bd: Expand jarring abbreviation in a comment 10(12 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4c446bd7c973 21:33:47 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-2034-gcb24c49: Merge pull request #136 from amalloy/comment-change 10(7 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cb24c4919c2d 21:33:50 elliptic is a polytheist! 21:33:51 (of course he is) 21:34:04 this seems like it would be a really neat spell to combine with stuff like inner fire 21:34:19 going to have to pull beem from elliptic to watch Cheibrodos 21:36:48 -!- cribozai_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:39:42 03amalloy02 07* 0.17-a0-2025-g6eac8cf: Change the 'safe option' for using unorthodox stairs to 'no' 10(29 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6eac8cfa503f 21:39:42 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-2036-gecfb1ce: Merge pull request #134 from amalloy/safe-stairs 10(18 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ecfb1ce5ab61 21:40:08 my hero, wheals 21:40:08 hypractvChipmunk: your problem stems from the fact that you're expecting gell's to be useful in some fashion =P 21:40:15 amalloy, btw: 21:40:16 !firestorm ProzacElf 21:40:16 Grunt casts a spell at ProzacElf. A raging storm of fire appears! The great blast of fire engulfs ProzacElf! 21:40:20 >8( 21:40:20 aiiiieeeee 21:40:21 %git ed37a4e3dceeb34 21:40:21 07jvj2460102 {wheals} * 0.16-a0-673-ged37a4e: Autotravel through out-of-range levels now defaults to yes (e.g. traveling from D:5 to D:6 through D:4). 10(3 years, 3 months ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed37a4e3dcee 21:40:24 heheheh 21:40:30 haha 21:40:42 it seems like such a neat spell 21:40:51 03DrKe02 07* 0.17-a0-2015-g6fe4782: Tweak an arrival vault 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6fe47828b43b 21:40:51 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-2038-gd129abf: Merge pull request #133 from drke2/patch-4 10(6 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d129abf49713 21:40:54 it's a shame it does nothing >8( 21:41:10 wheals: i'm curious what made that seem like a good idea. to me it's totally obvious it should be no, but you probably have/had a good reason for disagreeing 21:41:30 i'm at 4.0 spellcasting, 4.0 hexes, 4.4 translocations, and it isn't doing anything at all 21:41:37 sure it does 21:41:41 I just saw it do something! 21:41:50 it lightly wounded pikel 21:41:57 that's "something" 21:41:59