00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:14 needle traps are the practically-harmless ones, right? 00:02:30 or do they actually shoot poison needles 00:03:31 are there dart traps still? 00:03:39 -!- NecroBanana has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:08:15 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:19:43 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:19:58 amalloy: http://i.imgur.com/iTtGdkF.png see how many features you can recognize 00:20:06 (it's kinda pseudo-DES for now) 00:20:48 since i don't actually know what everything is 00:21:05 hypractvChipmunk: pretty cool. put some robes in the bedrooms or something 00:21:11 >8D 00:22:02 can't tell what the stuff in the northeast is 00:22:41 cavern 00:22:51 oh. i meant northwest 00:23:02 was about to ask about the northeast cavern too. it looks like a dig site, but i don't know what the t is supposed to be 00:23:03 just random speculative mining 00:23:09 oh i see, branch mining 00:23:09 tree 00:23:13 yep 00:24:14 needs some elephants in cages 00:24:30 or maybe just elephant skeletons in cages, since the dwarves have left 00:24:59 hehehehee 00:25:09 i figured there would be lots of dogs and cats 00:25:28 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 00:25:34 we don't really have cats, and hounds seem like the wrong hd for a volcano 00:25:44 i think they have hell hounds or somesuch 00:26:03 close enough >8) 00:26:36 maybe we can put some random animals in traps or something down in the training room in the southwest there 00:26:50 line them up on the walls 00:27:40 i love the classic 3x3 room filled with dart traps for training soldiers; that's one of my favorite things on there >8) 00:28:25 ofc, every once in awhile some dwarf would bring her newborn baby there for training and get it killed D8< 00:29:00 also usually some severed war dog body parts there, too 00:29:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:30:54 that was fun, though; I'll let Grunt populate it if he wants to 00:31:33 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:34:23 <|amethyst> .cobbed -log 00:34:25 24. nago, XL27 FoBe, T:76864: http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/nago/morgue-nago-20151004-091335.txt 00:34:28 eh 00:34:34 <|amethyst> .cobbed -2 00:34:35 23/24. swap the Conqueror (L21 FeBe of Trog), mangled by a death cob (kmap: st_stairs_7) on Zot:1 on 2015-10-02 13:58:53, with 397938 points after 141171 turns and 6:21:57. 00:34:37 <|amethyst> .cobbed -3 00:34:39 22/24. ZasiTheBeast the Slayer (L27 DrTm of Ashenzari), starved to death on Zot:3 on 2015-09-28 20:22:36, with 643951 points after 79800 turns and 6:13:12. 00:34:46 <|amethyst> .cobbed -3 -log 00:34:48 hypractvChipmunk: if I were you I'd cobble together some other vaults to figure out how you want to populate it 00:34:48 22/24. ZasiTheBeast, XL27 DrTm, T:79800: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/ZasiTheBeast/morgue-ZasiTheBeast-20150928-202236.txt 00:35:07 one of the noble rooms should have like some absurd number of hats or something in it 00:35:15 you kind of want to balance a portal vault like other portal vaults, and having that restriction when doing so is trickier than just making a 098 vault 00:35:23 ha 00:35:26 hat vault strikes back! 00:35:29 <|amethyst> hm 00:35:33 <|amethyst> https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/3njcsb/how_to_set_autoexplore_exemptions_on_websocket/ 00:35:43 <|amethyst> someone claims they starved to death while autoexploring 00:36:45 problem is, i wouldn't really know how to populate a volcano vault anyways; i've only been to like two or three 00:36:47 <|amethyst> oh, but perhaps it was actually interlevel travel 00:37:01 <|amethyst> they are generally full of red creatures 00:37:09 |amethyst: no longer 100% true 00:37:17 volcano vaults have some predefined monster sets 00:37:19 so helpful 00:37:19 <|amethyst> any actual connection to a fire or lava theme is a bonus 00:37:28 if you examine the other vaults you should be able to figure out how those work 00:37:31 I think it is well documented 00:37:40 yeah, I looked a little 00:38:01 but if i started with the tedious stuff, i probably never would have gotten it off the ground 00:38:21 so i tried to ignore that for now 00:39:08 since i have so little play experience with creatures that level, it'll probably require a lot of work 00:39:19 amalloy: potion prices are randomised 00:39:19 chequers: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 00:39:22 !messages 00:39:23 (1/1) amalloy said (17h 19m 38s ago): you made the last change to potion petition, right? what is the deal with: [a] - 276 gold - might, agility and brilliance [b] - 312 gold - might, agility and brilliance 00:39:31 since i'll have to assimilate it from just the docs 00:39:55 amalloy: it's per-slot randomisation, not done by randomising the price of each effect 00:46:38 i was disappointed with how bribe branch worked in zot:5. i got zero allies and zero neutrals for $6000 00:47:17 yeah, the proc rate is tuned to use up a single bribe over several levels 00:47:18 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 00:47:25 and a lot of zot:5 is unbribable anyway 00:47:44 -!- melenkuri has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:48:17 chequers: it wasn't the proc rate that was the problem: as soon as i entered zot:5 my bribe ran out of funds, and then i hit ac again, and it instantly ran out again 00:49:30 <|amethyst> !bug 9923 00:49:31 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9923 00:56:01 aside from that, though, i was happy with the gozag changes. i took him on D:2 this game, and he seemed perfectly fine, not nearly as bad as people are always saying 00:56:33 aa is quite strong and you get to use it a lot 00:57:41 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:59:49 <|amethyst> oh, hm 00:59:59 <|amethyst> I have a theory about that bug 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:17 <|amethyst> hm, oh, no, that's not it 01:01:11 |amethyst: my speculation is that it bribed $3k worth of stuff immediately, and then when it ran out they all went hostile again? 01:01:12 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. It is not being flipped.] 01:01:40 <|amethyst> amalloy: that would probably do it 01:02:07 <|amethyst> I had been thinking that a vetoed level might still deduct from the bribe, but it doesn't look like that happens 01:02:31 <|amethyst> and that would happen more in other places, actually 01:02:50 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:03:07 <|amethyst> @??orb of fire 01:03:07 orb of fire (05*) | Spd: 15 | HD: 30 | HP: 150 | AC/EV: 20/20 | 11non-living, see invisible, fly, unbreathing | Res: 13magic(immune), 04fire+++, 02cold, 11elec+++, 09poison+++, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm, 04napalm | Vul: 11silver | XP: 8519 | Sp: b.fire (3d40) [06!sil], fireball (3d43) [06!sil], malmutate [06!sil] | Sz: little | Int: human. 01:03:10 |amethyst: veto shouldn't be relevant, since i pressed ac while in z:5 already, too 01:03:59 (ie, once partway through z:4, and then when i came down to z:5 it expired so i tried to refresh) 01:04:05 <|amethyst> yeah 01:04:15 <|amethyst> it reproduces 100% of the time for me 01:04:35 it didn't used to be this way, because i remember bribing draconians on z:5 in my muvm^gozag run 01:04:50 probably a result of the change to let it bribe anything intelligent 01:04:55 instead of just the humanoids 01:05:11 just so much more HD of bribeable stuff now that it runs out 01:06:01 amalloy: dunno bout that bug 01:06:11 i never really looked at bribe branch 01:06:20 yeah, that was Lasty's change iirc 01:06:29 <|amethyst> marvinpa's 01:06:34 <|amethyst> %git 374cf670 01:06:34 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1526-g374cf67: Make Gozag bribes work on any intelligent monster in the branch 10(3 months ago, 4 files, 30+ 191-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/374cf67069b0 01:08:31 <|amethyst> !tell marvinpa It looks like 374cf670 made it such that, in Zot:5 and Vaults:5 and maybe a few other high-XP places, your bribe will be immediately exhausted as soon as it begins. See #9923, which I can reproduce by going to Zot:5 and pressing ac 01:08:32 |amethyst: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 01:09:12 |amethyst: have you tried putting like $9k into the bribe fund before going downstairs? 01:10:32 <|amethyst> oh 01:10:33 <|amethyst> hmm 01:10:40 <|amethyst> there might be a bug them 01:11:03 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1979-g1c74939 (34) 01:11:10 <|amethyst> because I just bribed Zot 100 times on Zot:4, and the bribe was still exhausted on going downstairs 01:11:12 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:12:41 goodness 01:14:46 <|amethyst> hm 01:14:53 <|amethyst> maybe I did that wrong, this time it worked 01:15:33 had z:5 been generated both times? 01:17:35 <|amethyst> oh, it already had been the first time but not the second 01:19:13 <|amethyst> yes, entering an already-generated Zot:5 exhausts the bribe; entering an ungenerated Zot:5 immediately does not 01:19:24 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1979-g1c74939 (34) 01:19:53 <|amethyst> in the former case, it would be bribing from a daction; in the latter, from builder() 01:20:09 really. i though i bribed before entering for the first time 01:20:22 !lm . br.end=zot -tv:x3:channel=amalloy 01:20:22 <|amethyst> well, this was with 100 bribes stacked 01:20:23 42. amalloy, XL27 HuWn, T:80096 (milestone) requested for amalloy: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:20:52 oh, maybe the first one exhausted my leftover bribe material legitimately, yeah 01:21:38 it still seems like it ought ot leave neutral the guys it bribed initially 01:21:45 maybe it did and they all killed each other before i saw them 01:21:53 -!- pblur has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:22:20 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:24:26 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:26:39 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:33:28 -!- Guest32329 is now known as Zilis 01:35:56 <|amethyst> looks like the bug is something like: the monsters are flagged with the bribe prop; they will get the enchantment that actually changes their attitude when they are seen 01:36:14 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:36:23 <|amethyst> but if the bribe expires before you have seen them, their attitude never changes 01:37:11 <|amethyst> and when the bribe expires, the bribe prop is deleted without ever having changed the attitude 01:37:29 <|amethyst> so if the bribe expires immediately, it is as though nothing happened 01:38:54 <|amethyst> whereas if you actually saw the monster convert, it will be left neutral or friendly 01:39:37 <|amethyst> Perhaps the bribe should be deducted when the monster actually converts 01:40:03 <|amethyst> instead of when it gets the prop 01:40:52 that seems more reasonable, although knowing about it may encourage players to do "weird" stuff like go into the most dangerous part of the level first 01:41:21 maybe that's perfectly fine though 01:41:25 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:43:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:44:08 <|amethyst> !tell marvinpa There's also some weirdness because you are charged immediately, but things only change attitude when you actually see them, so if the bribe expires immediately you get no effect from it 01:44:08 |amethyst: OK, I'll let marvinpa know. 01:50:41 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 01:51:54 loolz, fortress vault is funny 01:52:02 just played it in-game 01:52:14 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:54:32 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1979-g1c74939 01:58:26 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:59:47 -!- WalrusKing has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:00:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05:26 is the random spawn point thing a feature of entering it via wizmode? 02:05:56 there's a '@' on the vault map but the game seems to be ignoring it 02:06:21 "entering it"? wizmode doesn't really have an "enter this vault" feature 02:06:36 what are you doing? &*L or something? 02:07:13 i guess it's &L* 02:07:32 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:07:50 oh, i guess it's a volcano portal 02:07:51 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 02:08:58 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: @ ? 02:09:06 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: I don't think that's what you want 02:10:02 <|amethyst> you want < for the exit(s) from a portal vault 02:10:12 <|amethyst> @ is for connecting a vault up with the rest of the level 02:11:42 |amethyst: what ist he deal with the A marker in this vault? i don't see A being defined in the map or in either of the functions it calls 02:11:42 !vault volcano_grotto 02:11:43 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/portals/volcano.des#l633 02:13:02 <|amethyst> A is a stone arch 02:13:35 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:14:20 -!- Blazinghand_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:14:36 ah 02:15:40 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:15:56 it's in the docs/develop/levels/syntax.txt file 02:17:38 -!- kaiza has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:28:48 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:30:44 |amethyst: that does nothing for entrance though, it seems 02:30:55 like, where the player lands when he enters 02:31:34 most maps < would mean entrance, but portals enter in one place and leave from any one of several other places 02:33:20 <|amethyst> oh 02:33:32 <|amethyst> it is the A after all 02:33:37 ah ha 02:33:45 <|amethyst> !source _get_dest_stair_type 02:33:45 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/files.cc#l760 02:34:06 <|amethyst> if (feat_is_portal_entrance(stair_taken)) 02:34:06 <|amethyst> return DNGN_STONE_ARCH; 02:34:08 ah that makes total sense now, yeah 02:34:14 there's always an arch where you arrive 02:34:41 yep, that works 02:34:41 hehe 02:35:46 that was fun to make 02:36:19 now i'll read up how to make 'em proper 02:37:49 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:39:06 Is there a ttyrec player for windows that can play crawl ttyrec without glitches? 02:46:08 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46:25 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:46:42 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 02:48:31 -!- tw__ is now known as tw_ 02:50:54 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1979-g1c74939 02:51:56 hm, no more chimeras? should remove the vault doc where it tells you how to specify the mixture then 02:57:21 ahahaha i think i finally ran into my own vault for the first time today 02:57:35 and it was totally a waste because the monsters inside had wandered away 02:57:52 but there was a scorpion chilling out on the card table 02:57:56 !vault amalloy_card_club 02:57:57 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/variable/mini_monsters.des#l2107 02:58:57 i guess it wasn't mine though, because the scorpion was sleeping and i have no_monster_gen? but it seems quite unlikely to find a 3x3 room exactly like that one with a plain deck of cards in the center otherwise 02:59:03 amalloy: i actually saw that vault in the source a couple days ago and thought, "he doesn't actually expect this will work, does he?" for exactly that reason 02:59:15 hypractvChipmunk: it has worked a lot of times 02:59:37 usually the monsters wake up when you open the door so you don't really see them "playing", but at least they're in the room 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:00:27 oh 03:00:34 i think i might have just run into that 03:00:48 it was kind of a weird looking vault according to mapping 03:00:59 and 2 ogres and 2 gnolls came out of it and whooped me =p 03:01:20 heh 03:01:34 -!- grisha5 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:01:51 oh, the closer i look the less it looks like it should have had ogres though 03:02:16 but i mephed outside of it and those 4 dudes came charging out to meet me 03:02:29 yeah you shouldn't get ogres and gnolls. ogres *or* gnolls, but... 03:02:35 and maybe fruit! 03:02:40 iirc 03:02:44 indeed 03:02:45 or booze 03:03:13 now i need to figure out how to put piles of identical worthless items in the noble rooms somehow 03:03:35 "You see here twelve hats." 03:04:35 "it bristles with red spinel" 03:07:06 >8D 03:09:01 oh, shoot, i need some webs in the cavern 03:20:24 is the wizmode stop time supposed to only work on things in your visual range? there's a centaur that's following me, stepping into my vision, and firing potshots at me over and over >8( 03:21:06 hypractvChipmunk: i implemented that, and i can tell you it is broken 03:21:25 it works perfectly if you only move with hjklyubn, but if you use autoexplore or autotravel stuff time still passes 03:21:49 should be nothing to do with being in your LOS 03:22:27 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1979-g1c74939 (34) 03:24:47 ah, yeah I was autoexploring 03:25:49 or trying to, anyway >8P 03:25:58 , 03:28:34 sorry 03:28:53 i added the feature and it turns out that the stuff that happens when you take multi-turn actions is way more complicated 03:29:04 you had better be! 03:29:23 ha 03:29:44 of course it would be 03:30:28 !messages 03:30:29 No messages for TZer0_. 03:30:33 -!- TZer0_ is now known as TZer0 03:30:35 !messages 03:30:36 (1/1) amalloy said (20h 52m 1s ago): Earlo is hoping for a wassword reset, whenever you're around 03:30:56 !tell amalloy on it. 03:30:57 TZer0: OK, I'll let amalloy know. 03:31:47 oh yeah, you reset that wassword! 03:32:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 03:32:47 hypractvChipmunk: certainly a was-word now. 03:32:53 Since the last one isn't valid 03:33:19 Completely unrelated: http://underhound.eu/tzer0/public_www/renoise/temp/Digital%20Highway.mp3 03:37:59 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 03:41:21 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:35 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 03:42:40 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:50:55 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:51:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:55:18 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 03:58:06 -!- Blazinghand_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:59:56 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:03:25 This branch contains the buggy, buggy, buggy, buggy and buggy runes of Zot. 04:04:29 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:04:46 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 04:06:21 -!- sanka has quit [Client Quit] 04:09:31 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 04:10:45 my crawl process is stuck at 100% cpu generating a new pan level 04:10:50 how do I debug this? 04:10:52 ping |amethyst 04:11:27 aw, it was killed by webtiles(?) 04:15:52 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:22:11 -!- Bodrick_ is now known as Bodrick 04:36:35 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:42:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:18:41 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:20:22 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:21:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:23:10 -!- dexap is now known as paxed 05:29:14 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:37:39 ok, my game is timing out every pan level load 05:38:01 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:38:36 running gdb bt gives: 05:38:37 #0 items (allow_uniques=, force_class=force_class@entry=OBJ_RUNES, force_type=12, item_level=item_level@entry=24, force_ego=0, agent=agent@entry=-1) at makeitem.cc:1932 05:38:41 #1 0x00000000006d836c in dgn_place_item (spec=..., where=..., level=24, level@entry=-1000) at dungeon.cc:4423 05:38:44 #2 0x00000000006d8525 in dgn_place_multiple_items (list=..., where=...) at dungeon.cc:4450 05:38:44 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 05:41:32 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 05:43:46 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:49:46 it seems to be looping trying to place runes 05:50:01 anyway, i have the save if anyone is interested, it happens ever 30-50% of game loads 05:57:47 -!- andrewhl has quit [Client Quit] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09:45 -!- uJellie has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:11:11 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:22:10 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:22:52 -!- ketsa has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:23:07 -!- ketsa_ is now known as ketsa 06:26:06 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:36:11 -!- kaiza has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:40:58 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:51:24 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:16 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:01:56 -!- ketsa has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:11:00 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:20:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:24:25 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:26:48 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:26:58 -!- ldf_ has joined ##crawl-dev 07:27:54 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:37:30 -!- Voker57 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:39:30 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 07:43:42 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 07:44:09 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:46:31 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:47:00 -!- pblur_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:47:27 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:38 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:54:17 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:56:45 -!- cribozai has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:59:12 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:03:24 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:08:55 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:10:24 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 08:11:56 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:13:36 -!- minmay has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:28:43 .cobbed -tv:<2:channel=cobbed 08:28:44 25. Avigdore, XL25 MiCK, T:51111 requested for cobbed: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 08:30:53 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:31:47 .cobbed 08:31:49 25. Avigdore the Invulnerable (L25 MiCK of Xom), starved to death on Zot:1 on 2015-10-05 05:17:49, with 549527 points after 51111 turns and 2:50:35. 08:34:36 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:34:55 New branch created: pull/127 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/127 08:34:55 03DrKe02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/127 * 0.17-a0-1980-g0050d11: Lower Throwing apts for select species 10(34 minutes ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0050d11712bd 08:35:51 rip ogre chuckers 08:40:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:51:38 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:53:06 another quality DrKe PR! 08:53:45 although "-1Sli" what kind of newfangled terminology is this?! 08:54:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:54:32 !apt mi 08:54:33 Mi: Fighting: 2, Short: 1, Long: 2!, Axes: 2, Maces: 2, Polearms: 2, Staves: 2!, Slings: 1, Bows: 1, Xbows: 1, Throw: 0, Armour: 2!, Dodge: 1, Stealth: -1, Shields: 2!, UC: 1!, Splcast: -4, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -4*, Charms: -4*, Summ: -3*, Nec: -3*, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -2, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -3, Earth: -2, Poison: -3*, Inv: 0, Evo: -1, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: -1* 08:55:17 all those HE I played, no idea they had +1 throwing 08:55:17 !apt HE 08:55:17 Is there a ttyrec player for windows that can play crawl ttyrec without glitches? 08:55:18 HE: Fighting: 0, Short: 2, Long: 2!, Axes: -2, Maces: -2, Polearms: -2, Staves: 0, Slings: -2, Bows: 3!, Xbows: 0, Throw: 1, Armour: -1, Dodge: 1, Stealth: 2, Shields: -1, UC: -2*, Splcast: 1, Conj: 1, Hexes: 0, Charms: 2, Summ: -1, Nec: -2, Tloc: 1, Tmut: 1, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 2, Earth: -2, Poison: -2, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: -1, HP: -1, MP: 1 08:55:27 I use jettyplay 08:55:39 it has some quirks but does playback wel 08:55:40 l 08:56:05 Thank you, will check it out. What quirks? 08:56:23 -1Slg? 08:56:34 but you can't take away my slugs 08:56:47 can load from urls as well, which is nice, although I think it can't load bz2 urls. And really large ttyrecs over net seem to have problems 08:57:06 Xenobreeder: probably the only weird thing is you might need to set the size after loading a ttyrec sometimes 08:57:36 the autosize mostly works but I've found I need to set the size to e.g. 80x29 (or w/e it is) 08:57:39 ??hugeterm 08:57:39 hugeterm[1/6]: Any terminal size greater than 80x24 makes your games mostly impossible to watch for people using the standard size, which also means that all future viewings of your recorded games will be mostly impossible to watch. 08:57:47 80x24, sorry 08:57:53 -!- Bodrick has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:58:24 Xenobreeder: but overall I'm pretty happy with it; good playback with search, dead-frame skipping, speed controlls 08:58:46 Doesn't seem to have a windows version. Meh, I can try to make it work on cygwin. 08:58:53 oh it's java 08:59:17 so it should work fine in windows? 08:59:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:59:52 I'll have to try running it to see though; I'm using ubuntu 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:03 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:00:55 Oh, wait. Too sleepy. 09:01:27 *installing the java machine on this desctop* 09:07:20 !lg . -ttyrec 09:07:27 3358. gammafunk, XL8 MiBe, T:2408: http://dobrazupa.org/ttyrec/gammafunk/2015-10-05.03:56:03.ttyrec.bz2 09:08:31 Xenobreeder: yeah, just installed Java 8 in windows 8, and it runs/plays fine. What I said about .bz2 urls was also wrong, but I've had problems with loading longer ttyrecs in general. 09:08:43 It loaded and played that smaller one over the net just fine though 09:09:02 I think at least one server returns bad ttyrec urls though 09:09:18 in that you have to use a slightly different path from what's given 09:09:42 ??jettyplay 09:09:42 I don't have a page labeled jettyplay in my learndb. 09:10:01 Yeah, I've made it work already too. Thank you. All the players i've tried had issues with some tiles, mostly water and clouds. 09:10:32 Yeah, if they're using unicode glyphs maybe? |amethyst might understand better 09:14:27 !learn add jettyplay Java-based ttyrec player that's part of the nethack4 project. Can run on Unix/Linux, Windows, OS X. http://nethack4.org/projects/jettyplay/ 09:14:27 jettyplay[1/1]: Java-based ttyrec player that's part of the nethack4 project. Can run on Unix/Linux, Windows, OS X. http://nethack4.org/projects/jettyplay/ 09:14:29 ??ttyrec 09:14:30 ttyrec[1/6]: Specialized format used to record Crawl (among other) games. Google to find a player for your favourite platform. CAO ttyrecs all games in http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata//. Use !ttyrec to list ttyrecs for specific games. 09:14:34 ??ttyrec[2 09:14:35 ttyrec[2/6]: Jettyplay is a pretty good cross platform .ttyrec player. http://nethack4.org/projects/jettyplay/ 09:14:43 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:14:45 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 09:15:18 !learn edit jettyplay[1] s/^/A good / 09:15:19 jettyplay[1/1]: A good Java-based ttyrec player that's part of the nethack4 project. Can run on Unix/Linux, Windows, OS X. http://nethack4.org/projects/jettyplay/ 09:15:32 !learn set ttyrec[2] see {jettyplay} 09:15:32 ttyrec[2/6]: see {jettyplay} 09:15:37 ??ttyrec[2 09:15:37 jettyplay[1/1]: A good Java-based ttyrec player that's part of the nethack4 project. Can run on Unix/Linux, Windows, OS X. http://nethack4.org/projects/jettyplay/ 09:16:09 -!- Zilis has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:16:10 !learn edit jettyplay[1] s/^A good/jettyplay is a good/ 09:16:10 jettyplay[1/1]: jettyplay is a good Java-based ttyrec player that's part of the nethack4 project. Can run on Unix/Linux, Windows, OS X. http://nethack4.org/projects/jettyplay/ 09:17:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:21:05 @?? agnes 09:21:05 Agnes (11i) | Spd: 18 | HD: 11 | HP: 100 | AC/EV: 2/20 | Dam: 30 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(100) | XP: 2148 | Sz: little | Int: human. 09:21:27 drke: good throwing change 09:25:02 thanks 09:25:09 i do think ranged reform will address it better 09:25:20 but i'm not sure how the whole throwing/uc disparity didn't bother me before this 09:25:49 since they're basically the same skill except one is full range 09:28:20 what'd you change? 09:28:44 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/127 09:31:18 aha 09:32:03 drke: yeah, Throwing needs a solution now, since ranged reform is going to take longer 09:32:21 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:33:23 This still leaves Throwing pretty strong; I think Throwing should probably be redone as a weapon skill, so that throwing a javelin is like a ranged quarterstaff. 09:33:35 yeah i agree it will still be problematic 09:33:44 but i just want the apts to be logical 09:33:49 (perhaps with some small damage tweaks) 09:33:52 yeah, it's a good start 09:33:53 given the very deliberate way UC apts work 09:36:42 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:37:04 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:40:00 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:40:02 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:40:18 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 09:45:19 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:54:00 just a nitpick: it's not exactly analogous to UC because it also governs the effectiveness of your sidearm for non-throwing-specialized fighters 09:54:50 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:54:52 not that this changes the argument at-hand 09:57:22 but the converse is not true, I think....UC does not help when trying to slug someone with you crossbow 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:11 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:04:26 <|amethyst> if you have a crossbow as your only weapon, UC is the skill you'd use to melee 10:04:39 <|amethyst> since you're presumably not going to be swinging the crossbow 10:04:56 <|amethyst> the difference is that you have to swap for that, but don't have to swap to throw 10:05:16 <|amethyst> which will change if we ever go with a launcher slot 10:05:33 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:05:36 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:06:24 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:08:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:09:24 tome does that which many players find problematic 10:09:39 drke: wow, you even changed sludge elves, you monster 10:09:55 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10:08 err, sil, not tome 10:10:18 <|amethyst> kvaak: angband in general 10:10:26 yeah 10:10:29 anyway untrained bows are significantly more powerful in it than crawl so maybe it isn't a problem 10:10:30 leave no stone unturned 10:10:42 well it's a problem in sil but you know what I mean 10:10:47 -!- orbekk has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 10:12:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 10:14:46 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:15:25 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 10:18:13 -!- orbekk has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 10:23:46 03DrKe02 07* 0.17-a0-1980-g0050d11: Lower Throwing apts for select species 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 11+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0050d11712bd 10:23:46 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1981-g6eef83a: Merge pull request #127 from drke2/patch-1 10(4 seconds ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/6eef83af5068 10:24:37 Those merge commits are probably a great way to sneak hidden messages into the commit logs 10:24:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1982-gc20a2d7: Don't crash on &%any rune. 10(27 minutes ago, 5 files, 24+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c20a2d7dd754 10:24:55 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1983-g8be2cf4: Don't infinite-loop when trying to generate an existing rune. 10(62 seconds ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8be2cf4d91ed 10:24:59 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hidden messages with no newlines 10:25:15 dangit 10:25:35 also my message isn't even hidden in git log 10:25:41 I give up, I'm never going to program again 10:25:52 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 10:26:16 yeah what happened to 70char 10:26:20 or was it 72char 10:26:29 drke: I used the accursed button 10:26:43 so I was writing the comment in my browser 10:26:57 not in glorious emacs of great wordwrap fame 10:27:20 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:27:31 but 72 char for title, maybe 75 for subsequent lines, yeah 10:27:31 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 10:27:46 wonder if github has any wordwrap features for comments like this 10:27:48 i just use 72 for all, i think 10:28:11 the web interface doesnt seem to 10:28:27 i just use this http://www.javascriptkit.com/script/script2/charcount.shtml 10:28:59 If I'm going to write and use the button, I'll just use emacs in a buffer and paste in, yeah 10:29:12 would be cool if github had some kind of wrap thing though 10:31:14 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:33:21 -!- siepu__ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:33:33 kvaak: what aspect of launchers-as-slot do players find problematic in Sil? 10:33:59 mostly that the fact there's zero reason to not just pick off everything at a range 10:34:02 -that 10:34:07 -a 10:34:11 even if you don't invest in bows 10:34:16 until stuff just becomes too tough 10:34:44 Oh, yeah. That's already a problem in crawl... 10:34:56 it's just less convenient 10:35:20 well untrained bows are much less powerful in crawl 10:36:08 fair enough 10:36:17 Is it more like untrained blowguns? 10:38:18 if you were guaranteed to find a blowgun and 20-30 needles on d2-d3, yes 10:38:33 heh, dang 10:39:03 it's the equivalent of d2 but I think sil's levels are slightly larger, and harder to explore 10:39:20 you get a guaranteed forge which you can use to create a bow and a bunch of arrows for minimal investment 10:39:41 granted it requires the minimal investment and you can't use the forge to create other things 10:41:11 but it's generally considered to be optimal>? 10:45:48 -!- siepu__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:45:52 |amethyst: yeah, that's what I meant by sidearm...no-swap 10:46:03 -!- radinms has quit [] 10:55:29 Wrong rune announcement in Vaults 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9994 by ldf 10:58:06 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:03 yeah apparently we're getting wrong rune announcements 11:00:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:04:20 -!- Bodrick has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:27 -!- Zekka has quit [Quit: leaving] 11:11:13 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:14:45 oh, oops, I see the problem 11:14:53 beh, draining enemies should recover your own drain status faster 11:15:08 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:16:13 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:16:58 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:17:04 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 11:17:25 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1984-g55f5988: Print the correct rune name upon branch entry (#9994) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/55f5988020ea 11:17:32 got whaced a few times with dagger of draining on d:1 to 50% skill and 2000 turns later i've only managed to recover up to 60% 11:18:40 actually, using the dagger is probavly hurting me, no? 11:19:01 that makes no sense 11:19:14 <|amethyst> gammafunk: ugh... we should eventually make item_def::sub_type a variant/tagged union of enum types 11:19:35 <|amethyst> gammafunk: so that we don't have to pass them around as ints or shorts 11:19:53 yeah I didn't even check why it has to take shorts in the first place 11:20:15 <|amethyst> because rune_type_name(it.sub_type) and such 11:20:48 oh, well that would make sense then 11:21:37 can that be done in a nice way given all the different enum types we have for sub types? 11:21:55 I guess it's just a finite list of them, after all 11:22:06 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22:09 maybe drain is a poor name for the mechanic...conceptually it implies transferrence...sapping or weakening might be more obvious 11:23:26 game-jargon-conceptually, of course, not common english 11:31:30 <|amethyst> D&D uses "energy drain" to refer to the thing that gives you negative levels 11:31:43 <|amethyst> or "level drain" before that 11:32:11 <|amethyst> Waste-half-a-day warning: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LevelDrain 11:32:26 hehe 11:34:11 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:34:51 yeah, i do know where it comes from...but we're not draining levels with it anymore, either, so even that association is tenuous 11:35:37 -!- Cac has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:35:48 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:36:00 the weird part is the way using the same weapon against my foes actually hurts recovery 11:36:34 which is interesting, but not at all obvious 11:36:41 -!- rax_ is now known as rax 11:36:49 <|amethyst> huh? 11:37:08 <|amethyst> it doesn't reduce experience anymore 11:37:23 <|amethyst> I guess that wasn't fixed all that long ago 11:37:37 oh, that's good, didn't realize that 11:37:52 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:38:11 <|amethyst> %git 257f1412 11:38:11 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.15-a0-2083-g257f141: Make draining temporary (for monsters) 10(1 year, 3 months ago, 7 files, 33+ 17-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/257f14127322 11:38:41 <|amethyst> it can't really work the same for monsters as for players, because monsters don't really use skill much, and players don't really use XL much 11:38:43 taking freaking forever though...it's not even my primary killing tool, as a FE 11:39:28 3000 turns and several yellow con kills even and I'm still not rid of it 11:40:13 almost, though! 11:40:19 90% now 11:41:06 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:41:23 |amethyst: my god, the detail in http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/VideoGame/DungeonCrawl 11:41:45 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:43:30 hopefully I added some tropes with lehudib wizlab 11:43:56 the other problem with drain is that the inherent feedback loop is brutal...you recover based on xp, which is awarded based on your XL, right? but your actual ability to earn that XP is based heavily on those skills that are drained, making your effective XL much lower 11:44:14 hehe 11:44:14 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:40 tvtropes is not a checklist! 11:48:09 anyway, i don't actually know the mechanics of drain intimately, but maybe it ought to recover using your effective XL as determined by skill levels 11:48:56 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:49:22 it would help alleviate those game-over scenarios where you're drained beyond the ability to kill anything but grey-cons 11:57:30 -!- Bodrick has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:57:33 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:57:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:06:07 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:06:12 -!- tealeaves has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:09:00 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:19 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:11:26 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 12:12:50 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:17:59 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:18:05 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 12:18:28 game crashes upon leaving pan floor 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9995 by asdu 12:18:36 -!- t4nk201 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:25:59 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:26:04 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 12:29:25 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29:35 -!- JellieJels has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:34:32 -!- daiy has quit [] 12:39:22 -!- Saka2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:40:34 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:44:42 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:46:14 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 12:46:15 -!- shnurlf has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:46:47 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:47:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 12:47:36 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 12:53:48 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55:26 -!- agentgt has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:56:49 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00:12 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 13:02:06 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:05:38 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:08:18 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:09:32 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:10:06 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:11:36 -!- jefus is now known as jefus_ 13:12:09 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus__ 13:14:24 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 13:15:31 -!- jefus__ is now known as jefus 13:15:36 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 13:20:46 -!- ldierk has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:24:39 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:24:42 how come nobody ever told me how much fun FEs are 13:24:44 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1984-g55f5988 (34) 13:27:08 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:27:17 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 13:42:55 -!- Annabella has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:44:47 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 13:45:39 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:50:48 Mirmk (L27 DsGl) (Pan) 13:53:12 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:55:24 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 13:58:46 -!- cojito has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:04:02 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:04:28 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:08:29 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:57 -!- Annabella has quit [Excess Flood] 14:25:49 bart (L22 MiNe) (Pan) 14:26:43 is that a bot debug-printf? 14:29:20 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:30:46 Mirmk (L27 DsGl) (Pan) 14:31:18 guess that answers that >8) 14:32:55 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:33:54 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:37:16 bart (L22 MiNe) (Pan) 14:41:04 4thArraOfDagon (L27 TrCj) (Pan) 14:47:01 hm, what's a 'novice' ghost? I don't think I've ever seen one before but there have now been two in this game, both red-cons but my own XL has increased by 7 or so since the first one 14:47:17 ??novice 14:47:17 I don't have a page labeled novice in my learndb. 14:50:15 ?? ghost wwords 14:50:16 ghost wwords ~ ghost words[1/1]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 average, 7-10 experienced, 11-15 powerful, 16-21 mighty, 22-25 great, 26 awesomely powerful, 27 legendary 14:50:24 are you sure it isn't a title 14:50:26 those got renamed recently I think (possibly unintentionally?) 14:50:27 !title novice 14:50:31 novice: cannot understand novice. 14:50:39 4thArraOfDagon (L27 TrCj) (Pan) 14:50:41 !lg * vmsg~~novice 14:50:47 3. kinglyoko66 the Sneak (L5 OpAs), mangled by Novice's ghost in Sewer (sewer_co_scattered_pipes) on 2014-04-10 17:09:33, with 274 points after 2437 turns and 0:15:19. 14:50:58 huh 14:51:38 Bamboomancer's ghost (novice Troll monk) 14:53:06 level 11-15 ghost 14:54:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:54:18 powerful became novice? 14:54:40 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:54:43 i guess xl11 chars aren't that powerful 14:55:12 look at describe.cc line 4015 and ghost.cc line 909 14:55:24 no idea when it was changed 14:55:39 !source ghost.cc 14:55:40 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/ghost.cc 14:55:48 !source describe.cc 14:55:49 https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/describe.cc 14:55:50 so novice is more powerful than experienced? 14:56:03 oh I have wrong lines I guess 14:56:49 oops I didn't count the list properly 14:56:50 lines in describe are new to me mostly 14:56:53 sorry 14:57:25 novice: 7-10, experienced: 16-21 14:57:27 hmm i wonder why experienced was even kept 14:57:34 should be "adept" or something 14:57:43 4thArraOfDagon (L27 TrCj) (Pan) 14:57:47 to not have it describe a different range of levels than it did before 14:57:55 yeah 14:58:25 because that would be sensible and logical 14:58:45 you will find no mention of either in crawl's design philosophy 14:58:50 ??experienced 14:58:51 ghost words[1/1]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 average, 7-10 experienced, 11-15 powerful, 16-21 mighty, 22-25 great, 26 awesomely powerful, 27 legendary 14:59:03 -!- serq has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:59:49 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:09 !learn set ghost_words[1] ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 experienced, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 15:00:10 ghost words[1/1]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 experienced, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 15:00:40 n1k: learndb entries should generally reflect stable versions, not trunk 15:00:46 ah ok 15:01:01 ive heard differing opinions on that 15:01:07 !learn add ghost_words ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 average, 7-10 experienced, 11-15 powerful, 16-21 mighty, 22-25 great, 26 awesomely powerful, 27 legendary 15:01:07 ghost words[2/2]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 average, 7-10 experienced, 11-15 powerful, 16-21 mighty, 22-25 great, 26 awesomely powerful, 27 legendary 15:01:12 !learn mv ghost_words[1 ghost_words[2 15:01:13 ghost_words[1] -> ghost words[2/2]: ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 experienced, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 15:01:16 thanks 15:01:18 i will miss awesomely powerful tho 15:01:43 !learn e ghost_words[2] s,ghost titles, new ghost titles, 15:01:43 ghost words[2/2]: new ghost titles by XL: 1-3 weakling, 4-6 amateur, 7-10 novice, 11-15 journeyman, 16-21 experienced, 22-25 veteran, 26 master, 27 legendary 15:04:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:04:46 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:06:43 %git 1ea6200 15:06:43 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-1959-g1ea6200: Merge pull request #126 from alexjurkiewicz/xl-rank-names 10(29 hours ago, 0 files, 0+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ea62000f91b 15:07:32 4thArraOfDagon (L27 TrCj) (Pan) 15:08:16 yeah, i was pretty sure it was he who i remembered complaining that 'powerful' and 'awesomely powerful' weren't next to each other, or something 15:08:32 seemed odd 15:09:25