00:02:35 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04:18 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 00:05:36 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1950-g23d6077 (34) 00:11:06 -!- Monkaria has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:14:20 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:19:42 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:22:26 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:23:52 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:35:20 -!- hypractvChipmunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:38:44 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 00:41:57 <|amethyst> Lasty: hm. I kind of feel Kyria's shoudn't cancel the VS innate mutation 00:42:32 <|amethyst> Lasty: I guess it's not completely insane for it to do so 00:45:11 <|amethyst> Lasty: hm, also, can_device_heal() doesn't seem right 00:46:54 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 00:48:01 kyria? 00:49:19 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 00:50:45 <|amethyst> %git 00:50:45 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-1950-g23d6077: New unrand: Kryia's mail coat 10(3 hours ago, 5 files, 51+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/23d607761b2e 00:50:49 <|amethyst> err 00:50:54 <|amethyst> Lasty: *Kryia 00:51:01 <|amethyst> Eleison 00:51:09 -!- hypractvChipmunk has joined ##crawl-dev 00:51:18 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: you rang? 00:51:27 ah, um, now i forgot 00:51:28 oh! 00:51:31 two things 00:52:04 first, the item pickup stack weirdness; easy fix that i don't think is worth doing a pull request 00:52:39 should be sufficient to just add 'if (si->flags & IS_FLAG_SEEN) break;' on line 3072 of mon-act.cc 00:52:48 second... 00:53:46 i'm not sure how sdam is supposed to work, but it doesn't seem like it does what it says in the documentation 00:54:10 !lg Tanglemaster x=dam,sdam,hp,mhp 00:54:11 200. [dam=38;sdam=38;hp=-3;mhp=75] Tanglemaster the Grappler (L13 MfTm of Cheibriados), slain by hyperactiveChipmunk's ghost on D:14 on 2015-10-02 03:11:38, with 23186 points after 10748 turns and 0:48:19. 00:54:14 <|amethyst> how does that interact with the minotaur? 00:54:34 <|amethyst> !lg Tanglemaster -log 00:54:35 200. Tanglemaster, XL13 MfTm, T:10748: http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Tanglemaster/morgue-Tanglemaster-20151002-031138.txt 00:55:03 my ghost hit him for 25 then 38 from 60 hp; shouldn't sdam be 63? 00:55:15 <|amethyst> on the same player turn? 00:55:20 ah, is that it 00:55:31 <|amethyst> hm 00:55:53 <|amethyst> that's what I always assumes (same source, same turn), but that's not what the docs say, is it? 00:55:55 the documentation is unclear 00:56:01 <|amethyst> !lg * sdam>tdam 00:56:02 'tdam' is not an integer in 'sdam>tdam' 00:56:14 <|amethyst> !lg * sdam>$tdam 00:56:14 <|amethyst> !lg * sdam>$((tdam)) 00:56:15 1. KiloByte the Skirmisher (L2 DsCK of Xom), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2011-12-30 13:07:50, with 76 points after 1084 turns and 0:01:56. 00:56:19 tdam would be all sources on the last turn, which is good 00:56:19 1. KiloByte the Skirmisher (L2 DsCK of Xom), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2011-12-30 13:07:50, with 76 points after 1084 turns and 0:01:56. 00:56:25 <|amethyst> !lg * sdam>$((tdam)) x=sdam,tdam,dam 00:56:25 Broken query near ',tdam,dam' 00:56:29 <|amethyst> !lg * sdam>$((tdam)) x=sdam,tdam 00:56:30 Broken query near ',tdam' 00:56:35 <|amethyst> !lg * sdam>$((tdam)) x=tdam 00:56:36 Type mismatch: tdam in 'x=tdam' 00:56:39 <|amethyst> !lg * sdam>$((tdam)) x=sdam 00:56:40 Type mismatch: sdam in 'x=sdam' 00:56:48 <|amethyst> !lg * sdam>$((tdam)) x=gid 00:56:49 Type mismatch: tdam in 'tdam x=game_key' 00:57:04 <|amethyst> !lg kilobyte dsck xon xl=2 killer=worm place=d:2 00:57:05 No keyword 'xon' 00:57:08 <|amethyst> !lg kilobyte dsck xom xl=2 killer=worm place=d:2 00:57:09 1. KiloByte the Skirmisher (L2 DsCK of Xom), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2011-12-30 13:07:50, with 76 points after 1084 turns and 0:01:56. 00:57:13 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 00:57:15 <|amethyst> !lg kilobyte dsck xom xl=2 killer=worm place=d:2 x=sdam,tdam,dam 00:57:16 1. [sdam=5;tdam=4;dam=5] KiloByte the Skirmisher (L2 DsCK of Xom), slain by a worm on D:2 on 2011-12-30 13:07:50, with 76 points after 1084 turns and 0:01:56. 00:57:26 <|amethyst> weird 00:57:31 sdam is all damage from the killing source on that player turn (or supposed to be) 00:57:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 00:57:52 <|amethyst> yeah I think the docs are wrong 00:57:55 <|amethyst> listgame.md says: 00:58:01 oh, does the minotaur not pick up anything until the player sees his stash? if so, there's no way to resolve that cleanly without special-casing it 00:58:01 <|amethyst> sdam: Total damage done by the source of death, uninterrupted by other sources of damage. 00:58:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 00:58:15 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: well, until the minotaur wakes up 00:58:48 <|amethyst> could just give the minotaur some equipment 00:58:50 did you follow any of our discussions about that whole behavior? 00:58:55 <|amethyst> and deduct that from the stash 00:59:02 <|amethyst> no, I wasn't following 00:59:10 <|amethyst> but monster pickup is weird as you noted :) 00:59:11 okay, i'll summarize 00:59:22 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00:16 the intent is that monsters can't pick up items you've seen, but items below the first item in a stack are considered 'unseen', so 01:00:30 <|amethyst> right, I know about that problem 01:00:48 that seems counterintuitive on any level 01:00:59 <|amethyst> and just marking them seen is no good because that's a UI problem 01:01:22 <|amethyst> it makes it harder to notice non-autopickup items 01:01:50 right; but if you're reading the stack from the top-down, it's fine to abort the process once you reach a seen item...any newer (unseen) item would have been above it 01:01:50 <|amethyst> since you would ideally want to ctrl-x every time a pile comes into view 01:02:01 <|amethyst> yeah 01:02:30 <|amethyst> and that also handles some weirdness with nets probably 01:02:39 <|amethyst> hm 01:02:47 <|amethyst> maybe not 01:02:48 the bizarre behavior was a result of the guard being placed on the "pick up" code and having no effect on the "intent to pick up" code 01:03:10 putting the guard in the intent code lets us handle it sensibly 01:03:35 now, the other problem is, as you noted, the minotaur 01:03:39 technically he works 01:03:48 but his item choices leave something to be desired 01:04:11 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1950-g23d6077 (34) 01:04:24 since he's picking up items from the top down, he just takes the first thing he can use to whack you with 01:04:28 <|amethyst> yeah 01:04:48 <|amethyst> well 01:04:52 <|amethyst> he can swap 01:04:53 <|amethyst> but then 01:04:59 <|amethyst> if it happens when he's visible, you'll see him swap several times 01:05:06 minotaurs picking up always the best items would make labs significantly harder 01:05:11 which leads to him ignoring the giant battleaxe of kicking your butt because he doesn't want to move the rod of clouds that's on top of it 01:05:11 <|amethyst> and even still, it's limited in how deep it goes 01:05:30 <|amethyst> chequers: on the average case but not the worst case 01:05:38 <|amethyst> chequers: since the good stuff might have been on top 01:06:03 you mean one below the top >8) 01:06:11 he can't take the top item 01:06:28 <|amethyst> right right 01:06:38 hee hee 01:07:20 so technically, he'll even refrain from picking up the axe of kicking your butt if it's on the very top, too 01:07:33 he needs to dig, but doesn't want to dig very far 01:07:43 <|amethyst> I'd like to see what others think, and do some minotaur testing, but in principle I think that suggested change is good 01:07:54 anyway, that's all sorts of nonsense 01:08:27 i think the whole system needs a once-over, but for now that should solve 80% of the problem 01:08:54 <|amethyst> Well, that's mostly just implementation detail... in practice it just works out to "the minotaur has some of the equipment, weighted slightly towards the better stuff" 01:08:59 the only issue is that the minotaur might not take anything if he's still asleep when you see his stash 01:09:03 <|amethyst> (the last because of weapon swap logic) 01:09:06 <|amethyst> yeah 01:09:21 <|amethyst> I wouldn't want to buff stealth in the labyrinth that much 01:09:29 we can special-case him, i suppose, and let him use the entire stash 01:09:50 just exempt him from all the stash code and let him pick things up at will 01:10:13 but i think just giving him an item or two instead will make it better overall 01:10:26 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1951-g62301d3: Allow most characters to heal without Kryia's. 10(14 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62301d33d689 01:10:29 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:10:30 that way he gets sensible items (even if not great items) 01:11:19 there's no reason for him to be swinging rods at the player >8P 01:11:40 <|amethyst> he'll evoke rods at the player, no? 01:12:04 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 01:12:13 dunno, just going off anecdote from ProzacElf i think it was 01:12:18 <|amethyst> (but monsters should, if they don't already, treat rods as ranged weapons) 01:12:31 huh? yeah, he'll evoke rods 01:12:36 <|amethyst> (other than striking, that is) 01:12:46 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: but will he swap back to a real weapon before swinging? 01:12:52 i think so? 01:13:05 i usually either die in a hurry or kill him pretty quick when he's got a rod 01:13:24 i've not gotten to him often enough to know 01:13:34 but i think he'll switch back to no weapon even rather than swing with the rod 01:13:50 <|amethyst> err 01:13:58 <|amethyst> cszo and cxc need rebuilt I guess 01:14:16 :) 01:14:49 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:14:50 did you know shatter does no extra damage to statue-form players 01:14:58 but it does to gr and statue 01:15:27 <|amethyst> chequers: ? 01:15:39 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1951-g62301d3 (34) 01:15:48 <|amethyst> chequers: non-flying statueform players? 01:16:21 !source _shatter_mon_dice 01:16:21 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc#l1050 01:16:33 statueform is not considered at all 01:16:44 <|amethyst> not in _shatter_mon_dice 01:16:52 <|amethyst> monsters can't be in statueform 01:17:10 <|amethyst> !source _shatter_player_dice 01:17:10 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/spl-damage.cc#l1210 01:17:24 <|amethyst> hm 01:17:40 <|amethyst> though it does work better against flying statue monsters than against flyings statueform players 01:17:46 <|amethyst> s/ings/ing/ 01:18:01 remarkable 01:18:02 <|amethyst> (and gargoyle) 01:18:14 <|amethyst> I guess it would be rude to player gargoyles to change that 01:18:16 oh my god there's TWO functions? 01:18:24 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1951-g62301d3 (34) 01:18:31 yeah, i don't see where you're getting this from 01:18:36 <|amethyst> it's like inheritance, except not 01:18:59 if (you.form == TRANS_STATUE || you.species == SP_GARGOYLE) 01:19:15 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: chequers was looking at the monster function 01:19:30 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1951-g62301d3 (34) 01:19:34 but players aren't monsters! 01:19:44 <|amethyst> ?/real monster 01:19:45 No matches. 01:19:48 hehe 01:21:02 !lg Tanglemaster -tv 01:21:03 200. Tanglemaster, XL13 MfTm, T:10748 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 01:21:07 mm, this never gets old 01:21:48 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:22:22 my ghost absolutely murderized that guy 01:23:38 <|amethyst> oh, the sdam thing 01:24:02 <|amethyst> is is what listgame.md says, with the additional restriction that it happens on the same turn 01:24:24 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 01:25:31 some spells have a single implementation that handles monster and player, some have separate 01:25:43 what's the preferred form? or is it deliberate that it's mixed 01:26:06 probably mixed if there's enough difference to warrant it; doubt there's preference 01:26:14 <|amethyst> anything with a beam will have two different implementations, except often there's not much implementation 01:26:36 <|amethyst> since on the player end those are often handled as zaps 01:26:48 <|amethyst> summoning stuff can use the same implementation 01:27:01 <|amethyst> buffs usually not, because ENCH_ and DUR_ are different things 01:27:35 <|amethyst> unless it's something that has an actor:: method 01:28:30 <|amethyst> hypractvChipmunk: updated the sdam documentation, thanks 01:28:49 !lg . killer~~chequers 01:28:50 16. chequers the Cleaver (L7 MiFi of Nemelex Xobeh), slain by chequers's ghost on D:4 on 2015-09-27 07:49:05, with 641 points after 2635 turns and 0:03:25. 01:28:50 np >8) 01:28:54 !lg * killer~~chequers 01:28:55 58. Dip the Covert (L10 OpFi of Cheibriados), slain by chequers's ghost on D:9 on 2015-09-28 06:14:16, with 4666 points after 7448 turns and 0:28:06. 01:28:57 <|amethyst> I keep forgetting that we can commit to sequell now 01:29:23 <|amethyst> anyway, I'm off for the night 01:29:29 take care 01:29:42 nn 01:30:02 static const char* xl_rank_names[] = { ..., "powerful", ..., "awesomely powerful" } 01:30:13 not confusing at all. I like how they aren't even right next to each other 01:32:05 !gkills 01:32:06 12 kills by amalloy's ghost: ZBCMart, lordaltan, Action013, ScrapMettle, andrewdski, Impatience, creatorofgods, johnny133, LaNdMaStEr, DeadSlay, HawkPuma, Angmar 01:34:01 -!- rossi has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:34:13 that's the real metric of player skill, !gkills 01:34:20 or rather !gkillratio 01:34:54 !gkillratio 01:34:56 it is? man, then i'm awesome! 01:34:57 hypractvChipmunk's ghost wins 17.39% of battles. 01:35:20 ProzacElf: yes, it is: the fewer gkills you have the better you are 01:35:25 hahaha 01:35:27 damn 01:36:11 whatever you say, mage apologist 01:36:15 i was hoping that a metric that showed i get powerful dudes killed unexpectedly early meant i was good =P 01:36:54 !gkillratio 01:36:58 amalloy's ghost wins 11.36% of battles. 01:37:09 !gkillratio elliptic 01:37:10 !gkillratio chequers 01:37:14 elliptic's ghost wins 6.472% of battles. 01:37:16 chequers's ghost wins 15.30% of battles. 01:37:31 guess i'm the best player here 01:37:38 !lg amalloy / tr|mi 01:37:38 21/326 games for amalloy: N=21/326 (6.44%) 01:37:43 !gkillratio 01:37:46 ProzacElf's ghost wins 16.38% of battles. 01:37:46 there's your problem mate 01:40:56 New branch created: pull/126 (1 commit) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/126 01:40:56 03chequers02 07https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/126 * 0.17-a0-1950-g148fe99: update xl rank names 10(16 hours ago, 1 file, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/148fe99eeef8 01:41:01 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:44:27 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:47:51 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:49:34 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 01:53:57 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1951-g62301d3 02:01:09 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 02:09:03 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:10:33 -!- Zeor has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:10:51 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:11:09 hypractvChipmunk: i was thinking about improving tension 02:11:19 one problem is that it only takes into account enemies in your los 02:11:32 which means when you're in a killhole your tension is way lower than it "should" be 02:12:01 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:14:15 it would be good if tension included monsters that knew where you are (to a certain degree of accuracy, ones that are following you & etc 02:14:33 -!- ghallberg has left ##crawl-dev 02:14:36 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:16:32 hm 02:18:43 yeah, someone said it was really spiky, too; that would help 02:19:20 i could see things popping in and out of vision accounting for that 02:22:29 that was me 02:23:49 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:27:42 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 02:28:27 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 02:36:45 -!- Undo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:38:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:40:28 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:45:49 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:46:47 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:48:42 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:50:53 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1951-g62301d3 02:56:27 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:00:41 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 03:01:55 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 03:04:55 -!- kaiza has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:08:11 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:10:11 chequers: i would argue that when you're in a killhole tension is low because it's not very tense 03:10:35 if only one monster at a time can be doing anything to me, i am rarely at all afraid 03:12:31 that isn't worse than it is now, though 03:12:50 you can have ten monsters on the screen contributing to tension but only one that can hit you 03:13:01 so it's already out-of-whack in that respect 03:14:15 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1951-g62301d3 (34) 03:15:06 -!- gressup has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:16:13 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 03:23:11 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:23:49 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:25:25 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:28:14 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:30:46 -!- Lightli has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:35:29 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:37:41 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:47:42 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:50:07 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:59:09 -!- ShopKeeper has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:02:26 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:08:26 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:09:18 -!- Rivotril has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:13:36 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 04:14:55 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:22:44 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:26:47 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:30:37 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:24 -!- broquaint has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:57:33 -!- ByronJohnson has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:31 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 05:05:55 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 05:06:31 -!- broquaint has joined ##crawl-dev 05:15:13 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:16:18 -!- TZer0_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:17:48 -!- inire has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:17:48 -!- tupper has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:17:50 -!- TZer0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:17:51 -!- Furril has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:17:52 -!- Finwe has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:19:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 05:23:12 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:23:49 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:43:30 -!- agentgt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:48:30 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:51:43 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:06:37 -!- titanjones has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:07:16 ArcMage (L9 MiFi) ASSERT(load_mode != LOAD_VISITOR) in 'files.cc' at line 1325 failed. 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Base type is scale mail. DeviceHeal+++ means that potions and wands will heal you 3/3rds as much as normal, which means that this plus 2 levels of no device heal mut leaves you at 4/3rds normal device healing. 07:56:29 kryia's mail coat[1/1]: The +7 Kryia's mail coat {DeviceHeal+++ rC+}. Base type is scale mail. DeviceHeal+++ means that potions and wands will heal you 3/3rds as much as normal, which means that this plus 2 levels of no device heal mut leaves you at 4/3rds normal device healing. 07:56:54 !learn kryias_mail_coat See {kryia's_mail_coat} 07:56:54 I don't know about !learn kryias_mail_coat. 07:57:02 !learn add kryias_mail_coat See {kryia's_mail_coat} 07:57:03 kryias mail coat[1/1]: See {kryia's_mail_coat} 07:57:19 !learn add kryias See {kryia's_mail_coat} 07:57:20 kryias[1/1]: See {kryia's_mail_coat} 07:57:23 ??kryias 07:57:24 kryia's mail coat[1/1]: The +7 Kryia's mail coat {DeviceHeal+++ rC+}. Base type is scale mail. DeviceHeal+++ means that potions and wands will heal you 3/3rds as much as normal, which means that this plus 2 levels of no device heal mut leaves you at 4/3rds normal device healing. 07:57:35 ??kyrias 07:57:35 kyrias ~ kryias ~ kryia's mail coat[1/1]: The +7 Kryia's mail coat {DeviceHeal+++ rC+}. Base type is scale mail. DeviceHeal+++ means that potions and wands will heal you 3/3rds as much as normal, which means that this plus 2 levels of no device heal mut leaves you at 4/3rds normal device healing. 07:57:39 excellent 07:58:01 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:58:33 3/3rds? 07:58:59 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:59:33 !tell Lasty 3/3rds? I'm not sure what you're trying to say but that looks wrong 07:59:34 ZChris13: OK, I'll let lasty know. 08:00:00 he meant 6/3rds, i guess 08:00:17 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:19 im pretty sure thats what it does anyway 08:00:32 not that 6/3rds is a good fraction or anything 08:01:05 no that's just 2 times 08:01:07 does 6/3 mean that device heals 2x better? 08:01:22 well it doesnt make it heal 3x better 08:03:41 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 08:12:45 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:13:53 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 08:14:56 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:15:03 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 08:16:54 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:16:54 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:20:54 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:26:37 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:29:43 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:32:39 -!- Bcadren_ is now known as Bcadren 08:33:48 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:58 DrKe, ZChris13: that should read +3/3 08:36:20 ah 08:37:03 !learn edit kryia's_mail_coat s/3\/3/+3\/3/ 08:37:04 kryia's mail coat[1/1]: The +7 Kryia's mail coat {DeviceHeal+++ rC+}. Base type is scale mail. DeviceHeal+++ means that potions and wands will heal you +3/3rds as much as normal, which means that this plus 2 levels of no device heal mut leaves you at 4/3rds normal device healing. 08:38:27 !learn edit kryia's_mail_coat s/means that/means that it doubles normal device healing, or/ 08:38:28 kryia's mail coat[1/1]: The +7 Kryia's mail coat {DeviceHeal+++ rC+}. Base type is scale mail. DeviceHeal+++ means that it doubles normal device healing, or potions and wands will heal you +3/3rds as much as normal, which means that this plus 2 levels of no device heal mut leaves you at 4/3rds normal device healing. 08:38:39 oops 08:39:13 !learn set kryia's_mail_coat The +7 Kryia's mail coat {DeviceHeal+++ rC+}. Base type is scale mail. DeviceHeal+++ means that potions and wands will heal you +3/3rds as much as normal. This doubles normal device healing, and this plus 2 levels of no device heal mut leaves you at 4/3rds normal device healing. 08:39:14 kryia's mail coat[1/1]: The +7 Kryia's mail coat {DeviceHeal+++ rC+}. Base type is scale mail. DeviceHeal+++ means that potions and wands will heal you +3/3rds as much as normal. This doubles normal device healing, and this plus 2 levels of no device heal mut leaves you at 4/3rds normal device healing. 08:39:23 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 08:40:05 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:40:30 -!- swartzcr has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:41:04 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:41:30 -!- CcS has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:44:28 -!- CacoS has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:46:09 |amethyst: I woke up in the middle of the night wondering if I'd made the mistake you'd fixed. I convinced myself that I had in fact tested it, but, apparently not. I need to stop pushing things right before I go to bed. 08:50:02 -!- CacoS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:50:37 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:02:33 -!- Smello has quit [Quit: Bye!] 09:05:30 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:06:18 -!- iFurril has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:09:12 -!- oho_hups has quit [Client Quit] 09:11:13 -!- Cerpin has quit [Quit: leaving] 09:12:40 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:13:25 |amethyst: i could have sworn hangedperson made the minotaur start awake and patrolling, so why does it not pick up items before you see it? 09:14:34 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:57 |amethyst: re: canceling VS intrensic mut, I'd be fine with the coat doubling your device heal percentage instead of increasing it by 100%... 09:16:09 DeviceHeal*2? 09:16:32 Then it still wouldn't do anything for MUT_NO_DEVICE_HEAL 3 09:19:02 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:20:41 <|amethyst> wheals: oh, maybe it does now 09:21:29 i think there might have been something with wandering monsters not doing it properly 09:21:49 we'd better check the code 09:22:05 (maybe there's something there about how many teeth are in a minotaur's mouth...) 09:23:47 oh 09:23:47 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:24:02 the loot gets autogenerated on the upstairs, but the minotaur generally isn't standing on it 09:25:36 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:35:18 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 09:35:48 The new unrandart shouldn't let VS device heal because it encourages you to hover over the entire dungeon picking up !heal wounds and /heal wounds 09:36:21 reaverb: Excellent point! 09:36:30 I'll switch it over to the *2 model 09:36:36 tonight 09:36:44 Cool. 09:37:26 Which reminds me of the third (and last for now) fixedart I was thinking about adding, but it's a bit of a radical design, so I'd like to run it by folks first: 09:39:27 the philosopher's stone, an amulet with *Drain that makes any purely-positive-effects potion you drink (not poison, mutation, degeneration, decay, lig, or flight) into heal wounds. The potion ID'd (in the case of unknown potions) would be heal wounds. 09:39:32 Too crazy? 09:39:56 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:41:55 I feel like the last part is problematic if you id a potion while wearing it, remove it, and then encounter the potion again? 09:42:52 geekosaur: I explained that badly: when you drink a transmuted potion, you don't identify that potion. Instead, you identify !HW if it's unID'd 09:43:20 Basically the potion type gets set to heal wounds before the ID code gets triggered. 09:43:57 hm... 09:44:06 * wheals wonders how it would interact with potion petition 09:44:39 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:45:00 wheals: I'd exempt potion petition 09:45:21 If Gozag can force mummies to drink potions, it can also bypass some amulet 09:47:37 What's the definition of "pure positive effect potion"? Same as for the "useless/danagerous item" code? 09:47:55 Also seems like you'd need a prompt if a player tries to drink !benemut or !curemut while wearing that. 09:48:33 I think it's worth trying if "pure positive effect potion" has a clear/obvious definition. 09:49:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 09:49:46 it might be more transparent if lig and flight were included 09:49:51 since then its just non-useless potion 09:50:50 -!- HellTiger_NB has quit [Quit: KVIrc 4.2.0 Equilibrium http://www.kvirc.net/] 09:51:39 well, mut isn't useless, but you get the idea 09:53:24 that comes back to the "go through the entire dungeon picking up items you thought were useless problem" 09:53:43 (for example flight potions on a species that has flight like gr) 09:55:03 well, i don't think that's strictly avoidable 09:55:35 depending on when you get that amulet you might have taken several valid types off of autopickup already 09:55:37 you could restrict it to a small number of potions 09:55:56 like, maybe just curing/ag/mi/br? 09:58:13 even !br is problematic on a be 09:58:24 do you mean brilliance or berserk rage 09:58:37 i can see both being less useful for be 09:59:03 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:07 brilliance is useful for statloss at least 09:59:17 but its fairly narrow 09:59:27 !brilliance 09:59:31 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:00:14 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:01:00 berserk rage is useful on berserkers if they get silenced 10:02:03 How do you handle !haste on a Fo? I think DrKe is right the hover problem isn't solvable. Not sure if the unrand is worth that 10:02:07 i cant remember that ever coming up honestly 10:02:20 might be even rarer than using it to combat statdrain 10:02:36 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:02:47 s/it/brill 10:03:51 Perhaps the unrand could be "you can't drink potions while wearing this, you have an evocable ability giving healing for draining" or such 10:04:14 draining is problably bad, but some strategic cost. 10:04:28 Gold? 10:04:30 -!- plantmann has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:07:29 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 10:07:52 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 10:08:22 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:32 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 10:08:32 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 10:08:40 The hoover problem is definitely something I was to avoid 10:08:58 i don't think you can unless you restrict it to like 10:09:00 healing-for-gold would fit the theme 10:09:01 curing, might, and agility 10:09:32 Yeah, the list of "always good" potions is pretty small, and even that list some people ignore for silly reasons... 10:10:46 curing, might, agility, invis, cmut, benemut, resistance; also magic and brilliance and haste for almost all characters...\ 10:11:23 On the other hand, spending gold for HW doesn't feel like enough of a sacrifice at all 10:12:00 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:12:01 well you're sacrificng your ability to use potions at all 10:12:08 except you could you know 10:12:12 just take off the ammy 10:12:23 i mean getting drained is bad 10:12:41 but it wouldn't actuall stop you from using potions when you needed to 10:12:47 very few potions would be worth red drain and an extra 5 AUT 10:13:00 is it red 10:13:03 i thought it was orange 10:13:14 ... I don't think orange drain is a thing 10:13:27 well, lightred 10:13:30 oh, ah 10:13:32 that's what I meant 10:13:33 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:13:49 i mean you would take it off in the event you ran out of gold 10:13:52 as well 10:14:17 yeah 10:14:40 I suppose what I'm saying is that I'm not that worried about people just taking it off and then drinking potions... 10:14:48 I'm definitely worried about hoovering tho 10:15:40 I'm not sure if I think the issue is bad enough that I'd care about Fo hoovering !haste or Be hoovering !brilliance and !magic 10:16:14 "guardian spirit already makes Be hoover !magic 10:16:23 and switching gods makes them hoover !brilliance 10:17:52 well, the hoovering is actually mandatory 10:18:01 when it might not be in some other cases 10:18:07 if you are using this amulet you would want to use the most useless pots first 10:18:18 doing anything else is just bad 10:18:33 while hovering magic with guardian spirit is sort of just trying to play as safe as possible 10:18:47 or brilliance when all you are casting is a few utility spells 10:20:11 I think the interesting aspects of this unrandart are "can't drink potions" and "lots of extra heal charges". I think we can capture those with causing hoovering by changing the "transmute potions" mechanic. 10:20:21 s/with/without/ 10:20:48 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 10:20:55 possibly we could divide those two aspects into different unrandarts. 10:22:42 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:08 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:09 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:28:52 hmm 10:30:26 Can't drink potions + lose one permanent HP to get on-demand HW? That might be the perfect intersection between "feels awful" and "way too powerful", plus it steps on Borg's. Can't drink potions + statrot to get on-demand HW? 10:31:24 I like the idea of having to give up a permanent resource, but hp/mp seem too similar to existing traits, gold feels insufficiently significant, and drain/statrot aren't permanent. 10:31:49 i think gold would be significant enough if it was expensive enough given the fact that you cant drink potions anymore 10:32:03 It doesn't make much sense, but having it be "healing on demand, every time you use it destroy a random potion from your inventory or the dungeon" would solve hoovering :p 10:32:18 like gold acts as a limiter 10:32:39 i think that would be kind of obvious in terms of how to play the item though 10:32:45 as to when you should or should not use it 10:32:54 DrKe: Yeah, but my sense is that it's probably either too sharp of a limiter or not nearly meaningful enough. In most games I have lots of gold to spare... 10:32:57 but that might be the case regardless of what the cost is 10:32:58 yeah 10:34:46 -!- zxc232 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:36:25 could the gold cost have both a minimum cost and % of your current gold 10:36:31 maybe that would be meaningful enough 10:37:36 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 10:38:35 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:39:16 DrKe: it' 10:39:42 it's still only meaningful if it's competing with something you want to buy; otherwise it's a free but not unlimited source of HW that eventually you swap out 10:40:07 still, that might be interesting enough 10:40:09 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 10:40:24 i just see gold as the most interesting/flavorful 10:40:36 i mean the others arent actually much worse 10:40:41 in that regard 10:40:52 but it fits with philosohper's stone 10:40:52 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:41:14 true 10:41:42 i mean i think by the time you have a lot of gold and don't care, you also have a lot of potions 10:41:44 so the cost is still there 10:41:52 also the cost of not being able to wear another amulet is more likely to be relevant 10:41:56 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. It is not being flipped.] 10:42:07 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:42:31 true 10:42:37 and eventually you incur the drain cost if you remove it 10:43:00 it could have some other -s too 10:43:11 anti-cekugob 10:46:38 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:48:13 Haha 10:48:30 I need to find a way to give 10 minuses for symmetry w/ robe of vines 10:50:50 -!- Red` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:57:10 -!- Red`` has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:59:46 -!- Red`` has quit [Client Quit] 11:03:12 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:04:25 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 11:10:40 -!- Elsi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:15:02 -!- Stendhal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:23:47 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:24:59 robe of veins 11:25:45 You put on your robe of veins. You feel like injuries will hurt more. 11:25:46 haha 11:26:18 -!- reosarevok has quit [Changing host] 11:27:04 robe of Vines, plays 3 turns of your game on tv at random intervals 11:27:33 So powerful 11:28:39 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:31:54 I don't get it 11:34:48 isn't vine a video site? 11:34:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:34:54 oh 11:36:27 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:37:58 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:45:43 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 11:46:37 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 11:51:28 -!- ZChris13 has quit [Quit: This is not a desk. 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Use !messages to read it. 15:19:10 thanks 15:24:27 -!- AltReality has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25:00 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:29:58 -!- Final has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:34:32 -!- CcS has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:37:30 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:47:57 -!- Tuxedo[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:48:43 -!- reosarevok has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:50:37 -!- ldierk has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:53:41 -!- zxc2321 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:01:47 -!- ldierk has joined ##crawl-dev 16:02:33 -!- easttuth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:04:07 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:21 -!- pikaro has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:15:04 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:04 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:56 !tell Lasty Hey I think Kryia's needs *Drain or something so DD can't swap to it out of combat 16:15:57 reaverb: OK, I'll let lasty know. 16:16:23 Obvious solution is to give DD antenna and then turn Kryia's into a helmet 16:18:30 %git :/[Kk]ryia 16:18:30 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1951-g62301d3: Allow most characters to heal without Kryia's. 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/62301d33d689 16:18:51 It doubles your Device Heal 16:18:59 reaverb: ugh, fair enough 16:19:10 of course, the obvious solution to me is "remove DD" 16:19:16 but I know I'm alone on that 16:20:20 -!- Elsi has joined ##crawl-dev 16:20:47 yeah, that didnt occur to me 16:20:52 but that would be a problem 16:20:58 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 16:22:52 oh 16:23:09 Somebody needs to try to do a DD speedrun. 16:23:26 Of course getting a specific unrandart is super unlikely... 16:23:36 <|amethyst> !hs * dd 16:23:38 82163. Sapher the Executioner (L26 DDWr of Makhleb), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-04-14 11:22:20, with 75023051 points after 19063 turns and 12:08:08. 16:23:38 *contam may or may not be a bigger deterrent to removing it 16:23:43 i think vs with robe of vines has more potential probably 16:23:53 i personally am more willing to deal with *drain than *contam 16:23:58 but that might just be me 16:25:31 well, removing it in other circumstances oughtn't be so catastrophic 16:25:34 Well it just needs to be big enough deterrent that DD don't swap it literally every time they heal. Even if they carry it around and use it to recover from "big" fights is fine. 16:26:04 there are othervraces than DD, guys >8P 16:26:18 from a game balance sense not really 16:26:29 but yeah drain would be better than contam 16:26:34 i suppose so 16:28:03 like maybe i'm not a DD and i want to put on, i dunno, fire resistance 16:29:43 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:29:50 heh, my DDBe win had 0 mp when i escaped. because trog never gave me a vamp weapon 16:30:01 how much evo did you train 16:30:58 a lot 16:31:09 hypractvChipmunk: so? 16:31:24 heh 16:31:26 27 16:31:43 if i recall that game was light on hw potions too 16:31:53 i can usually get by with hand if i dont need lots of bias 16:31:55 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:31:58 Lasty_: Why does Kyria's have rC+ anyway? Just a minor buff like adding more AC? 16:32:12 Skills: + Level 21.9 Fighting - Level 26.0 Axes + Level 12.0 Throwing + Level 22.2 Armour - Level 10.6 Dodging O Level 27 Evocations 16:32:37 yeah, i wanted to have the bros available though 16:32:44 so i was leery about letting piety get too low 16:32:54 i also needed hand for MR purposes pretty often 16:33:16 that game had practically no resist gear that was any good either 16:33:35 reaverb: 1) yes; 2) also it's a minor flavor reference to old/sick people needing to keep warm. 16:35:05 The only problem with drain/contam/curse is that the flavor fits weirdly with a healing-boost item. 16:35:13 Yeah the flavor matched a bit. 16:35:26 *contam kind of fits with healing 16:35:30 well mutating does 16:35:31 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 16:35:46 <|amethyst> making it not work on DD fits with healing :P 16:36:00 |amethyst: Even better! 16:36:16 We'll make the item pretend DDs don't exist, just like I try to 16:36:21 :D 16:36:35 Could just mention in the flavor text the *Drain or whatever isn't intentional. 16:36:48 Making the item not spawn for DD is a pretty amusing solution. 16:37:14 <|amethyst> "The armour is so comfy that removing it chills your very soul." 16:37:22 I suppose there could also be flavor about "the item is bonded to the wearer, so removing it drains you" 16:37:25 heh 16:37:28 heh 16:37:41 i like |amethyst's, but only if it actually includes the term "comfy" 16:37:45 lol 16:37:54 *Torment: removing it torments you 16:38:29 "The armour is so addictive that removing it puts you through sudden, sharp withdrawal" 16:38:30 :p 16:38:42 <|amethyst> *DDoor 16:38:49 hahaha 16:38:51 Something about Kryia her(him?)self not being able to take it off would be nice. 16:38:59 Where did you come up with the name Kryia anyway? 16:39:15 Removing it gives you DDoor? That's a fun five-turn combat maneuver 16:39:19 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:39:23 I once had a terrible idea for a monster that would forcably inflict DDoor on the player. 16:39:45 <|amethyst> !lg final s=src 16:39:46 79 games for final: 53x cbro, 26x cszo 16:39:48 <|amethyst> !lg final 16:39:49 79. Final the Slasher (L1 MiBe of Trog), quit the game on D:1 (lemuel_arrival_lava_pool) on 2015-10-02 19:26:49, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:42. 16:39:57 !lg :final 16:39:58 82. Final the Slasher (L1 MiBe of Trog), quit the game on D:1 (lemuel_arrival_lava_pool) on 2015-10-02 19:26:49, with 0 points after 0 turns and 0:00:42. 16:39:59 reaverb: I started throwing syllables together and then stripped out the bits I didn't want until I had something name-yu 16:40:01 -u 16:40:28 <|amethyst> !lg :final s=src 16:40:28 82 games for :final: 53x cbro, 26x cszo, 3x cao 16:40:34 <|amethyst> !lg final cao 16:40:35 No games for final (cao). 16:40:39 <|amethyst> !lg :final cao 16:40:40 3. final the Twirler (L7 HuCr of Elyvilon), slain by Prince Ribbit on D:5 on 2009-10-14 18:07:15, with 841 points after 6837 turns and 0:31:16. 16:40:45 <|amethyst> hmm 16:40:51 Lasty_: where's my stealth monster? =P 16:41:13 ProzacElf: Inside our heads. 16:41:16 heh 16:41:24 -!- Valarioth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:41:29 What's the idea for the stealth monster? Shadows don't currently work that well. 16:42:05 basically it'd work like a shadow but sinv doesn't work on it. more or less 16:42:30 maybe the player would have to make a trap check to detect it or it's got its own nightstalker mutation or something 16:42:34 <|amethyst> what about corona/halo/sticky? 16:42:34 The version I remember talking about was that it's a monster that's effectively "out of LOS" until it's 2 or 3 tiles away. It's a lot like submerge, but it moves while hidden and still exists while hidden 16:42:37 oh what fun; dying to things you can't ID is such a hoot 16:42:40 so you can't even try to see it before it gets in range 16:42:47 corona/halo/sticky should probably work 16:42:59 you could call the monster "something" 16:43:08 or it could use the trapdoor spider mechanic but be able to move while it's "underground" 16:43:10 or whatever 16:43:15 <|amethyst> The it beast attacks! 16:43:32 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: more submerging? 16:43:50 yeah, if that's what the trapdoor spider technically does 16:43:58 i'm still bitter about the ghost moth that killed me on D:10 that was the impetus for me joining IRC to begin with 16:44:19 I'm not sure suddenly appearing 2-3 tiles away is particularly interesting (although it's better that 1 tile away). 16:44:30 like i'm supposed to know what to do about a monster i can't see and can't id 16:44:36 heh 16:45:04 I think Invisible monster are idenified in Morgues if they kill you? 16:45:14 and then you can use ?/ 16:45:23 yeah, but that's no good after the fact 16:45:53 whatever happened to no death being unavoidable 16:46:01 the dungeon hadn't created a SInv item to that point 16:46:12 ghost moths and shadow wraiths are like the only monsters that are permanently invis though 16:46:17