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ZZZzzz…] 03:17:45 it might have been deliberate because Fo 03:17:57 and some other ranged weapon classes might be exclusively 2h for some small races 03:18:30 well, probably just spriggans 03:18:43 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1887-g3e50df6 (34) 03:19:04 so its at most 2 special cases at least 03:24:31 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:08 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:28:54 -!- hypractvChipmunk is now known as hC|zzz 03:31:59 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:37:03 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:41:00 -!- Menche has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:46:40 !seen kramin 03:46:40 I last saw Kramin at Wed Sep 23 00:49:07 2015 UTC (6h 57m 32s ago) joining the channel. 03:47:23 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:51:57 -!- Appriser has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:59:29 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:59:43 -!- riberto has quit [Client Quit] 04:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:00:12 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 04:03:35 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: Tags] 04:04:19 hrm 04:04:21 %git 04:04:21 07greensnark02 * 0.17-a0-1887-g3e50df6: Write Crawl tag and save versions to logs 10(7 hours ago, 6 files, 91+ 67-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3e50df6fc1d9 04:05:00 some kind of delay between chei and github 04:06:02 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1888-g96e7f86: Implement a simple message history for WebTiles chat 10(20 minutes ago, 1 file, 50+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/96e7f8670d52 04:06:09 there we go 04:06:28 |amethyst: I made that webtiles chat history in 96e7f8670; from our discussion it seems that it should go live automatically when trunk updates on dgl-based servers 04:06:41 |amethyst: but let me know if there's any issue about it in general 04:10:33 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:14:56 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:16:28 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1888-g96e7f86 (34) 04:17:48 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:18:43 on that rebuild 04:18:47 state.h:135:14: warning: ‘game_state::mon_act’ will be initialized after [-Wreord 04:18:50 er] 04:18:53 monster* mon_act; 04:18:56 ^ 04:18:58 state.h:119:38: warning: ‘FixedBitVector<11u> game_state::disables’ [-Wreorder] 04:19:01 FixedBitVector disables; 04:19:04 ^ 04:19:06 state.cc:29:1: warning: when initialized here [-Wreorder] 04:19:09 game_state::game_state() 04:19:11 ^ 04:20:04 -!- Siveran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:27:08 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:29:52 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1889-gd68cdcd: Fix member initializers not being in the right order 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d68cdcddab41 04:50:35 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:51:52 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1890-g9c06db1: Don't let up arrow cycle into empty history in WebTiles chat 10(3 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 8-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9c06db1e3005 04:52:14 -!- Bcadren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:53:09 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 04:53:09 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1890-g9c06db1 (34) 04:54:31 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:01:40 -!- ghostter has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:01:55 Is it normal that Jiyva jellies scour the level, find zot traps and summon demons against me? 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Xenophilius, XL27 GrFi, T:104584 (milestone): http://dobrazupa.org/morgue/Xenophilius/crash-Xenophilius-20150923-161916.txt 12:20:54 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Client Quit] 12:27:50 03John Stahara02 {Medar} 07* 0.17-a0-1897-gd493544: Always update skill menu when toggling training mode (#9972) 10(10 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d493544bc59c 12:28:24 -!- tensorpudding has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 12:30:32 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:44 -!- easttuth has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:37:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:37:42 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1898-g78311bb: Be more verbose in an assert. 10(87 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/78311bb53208 12:37:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:38:38 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:42:26 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:46:09 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:48:01 -!- knu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:51:31 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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Shredu92, XL21 HOFi, T:56154 (milestone): http://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/Shredu92/crash-Shredu92-20150923-175559.txt 13:59:49 <|amethyst> !lm * crash x=vlong 13:59:50 11968. [2015-09-23 17:55:59] [vlong=0.17-a0-1882-g750edc8] Shredu92 the Phalangite (L21 HOFi of Ashenzari) ERROR in 'mon-util.cc' at line 1493: bogus mc (no monster data): invalid monster type 1000 (1000) (Shoals:4) 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:10 <|amethyst> old version 14:01:58 <|amethyst> !lm * cue x=file 14:02:01 1093477. [2015-09-23 18:00:50] [file=cue/crawl/meta/git/milestones] Shredu92 the Phalangite (L21 HOFi of Ashenzari) killed the ghost of Mulkerokala the Impaler, a legendary HuHu of the Shining One on turn 56540. (Slime:5) 14:02:01 <|amethyst> !lm * cue x=logfile 14:02:02 Unknown field: logfile 14:04:29 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:05:42 <|amethyst> hm, port 81 seems to be blocked for me at work 14:05:48 <|amethyst> on my end, not cue's 14:06:24 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 14:09:05 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:11:29 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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Accordingly, Fedhas provides said nature, in the form of pure elemental 17:11:08 destruction, waves..." 17:11:29 should Fedhas be providing said "exposure"? 17:12:45 i think that would be correct also, but there's nothing wrong with the current wording 17:16:49 just reads kinda funny 17:17:36 it's a clever line, but it kinda loses its zing the way it is 17:17:39 -!- zero_one has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17:53 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20:40 nature is more of an abstract noun, you don't really provide it...exposure is abstract, too, but it's at least got a negative connotation in place already 17:21:05 and it's marginally more concrete than "nature" 17:22:00 -!- Kanbei has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:26:43 <|amethyst> IMO it's not about concrete vs abstract, but that the objects of "provide" and "need" should match 17:26:50 hm, furthermore, the nature itself isn't terribly threatening if exposure isn't forced 17:26:51 <|amethyst> so I agree with hypractvChipmunk 17:27:04 i mean, nature is usually just sitting there 17:27:41 ah, thanks |amethyst, that's what was bothering me 17:27:49 i couldn't place my finger on it 17:27:52 that's exactly it 17:28:23 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1899-ge84b1df: Improve a Fedhas description. 10(19 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e84b1dfbbe0a 17:28:34 <|amethyst> oop, forgot your nick 17:28:35 lol, that was quick 17:28:42 psh, no worries 17:29:24 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29:33 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:33:05 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:43:02 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:43:46 <|amethyst> hm 17:43:54 <|amethyst> though I do have a question about that 17:44:06 <|amethyst> oh, nm, that's wrath 17:44:19 <|amethyst> I was going to ask what "pure elemental destruction" referred to 17:52:48 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:53:56 -!- danharaj has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:56:20 you'd know more about it than I would >8) 17:58:33 i'm terrible enough at the game without voluntarily provoking the gods 17:58:53 <|amethyst> !lm . god.wrath s=noun 17:58:54 No keyword 'god.wrath' 17:59:02 <|amethyst> !lm . god.abandon s=noun 17:59:02 87 milestones for |amethyst (god.abandon): 44x Trog, 13x Xom, 12x Zin, 9x Lugonu, 3x Elyvilon, 2x Ru, Yredelemnul, Fedhas, Ashenzari, Gozag 17:59:12 <|amethyst> !lm . god.abandon s=noun !boring 17:59:13 40 milestones for |amethyst (god.abandon !boring): 12x Zin, 7x Xom, 7x Lugonu, 6x Trog, 3x Elyvilon, 2x Ru, Fedhas, Ashenzari, Gozag 17:59:26 i die plenty when they're on my side >8) 17:59:35 i think i did it once 17:59:58 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:16 i joined dithmenos and 20 turns later found out I was a red dragon 18:00:59 he spent the rest of my moderately short life pissed off at me 18:01:07 eventually, to my downfall 18:01:11 -!- FaMott has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:01:38 hypractvChipmunk: he doesn't actually get mad unless you use your breath weapon, does he? 18:02:01 probably not, but I thought he wouldn't be too mad since i'd just joined up 18:02:08 heh 18:02:19 that was not the case 18:02:21 .echo hi 18:02:37 <|amethyst> !abyss Sequell 18:02:42 rip 18:02:47 for those 20 turns of worship i paid a ridiculous amount of penance 18:02:55 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:03:57 %git 18:03:57 07|amethyst02 * 0.17-a0-1899-ge84b1df: Improve a Fedhas description. 10(36 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e84b1dfbbe0a 18:04:08 those are on different machines, aren't they 18:04:17 <|amethyst> yes 18:04:18 -!- Sequell has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:04:22 ah, there we go 18:04:42 <|amethyst> hm, apparently the new RNG can give the scroll name "BISHITE HYHO", which sounds like something a Mountain Dwarf would say 18:05:04 time to bring back MD I guess 18:06:14 -!- Sequell has joined ##crawl-dev 18:06:58 <|amethyst> "NYL AMETHYCRECW" 18:07:20 ah, okay, it was 1500 turns of worship, though they were uneventful ones...he then spent the next 10000 turns throwing monsters at me that i've never even seen in any of my games until i finally died >8( 18:07:48 so yeah, i learned my lesson; no way i'm doing that again 18:08:12 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:09:50 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1899-ge84b1df (34) 18:10:01 <|amethyst> "QUINES SINIA" QUINES SINIA 18:11:25 quines are fun 18:11:51 does the scroll contain itself? 18:12:10 <|amethyst> It's a scroll of Acquire Scroll obviously 18:12:13 better test that one for a stack overflow >8) 18:12:39 hehe 18:12:42 <|amethyst> EFANARCHICYF 18:13:06 oh come on that one isn't even trying 18:16:13 <|amethyst> ATHOMECRAF 18:23:54 that one almost says 'farce motha' backwards 18:24:19 Have we had Food Debates that involve whether the turn length for eating royal jelly makes much sense? 18:24:44 I guess the idea is that it's universal food giving higher nutrition 18:25:01 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 18:26:12 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:26:22 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:27:40 ah, that was the source of my confusion...the chaosforge page says 30 aut on the 'food' page table, but 20 aut in the text of the honeycomb, yet both say they're up-to-date for 0.16 18:33:35 but yeah, looks like they have their benefits, but aren't a "tactical" food as I had thought 18:33:59 apparently he thought the same thing in that replay 18:34:30 would make sense to have /something/ at that level to fill that role, if you have monsters like that 18:34:45 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:38:26 gammafunk: i've had a go at blending the lighting effect more, but i've kinda hit a wall with it 18:38:33 http://i.imgur.com/dlqBRlq.jpg 18:39:02 the corners are the main issue - because they're linear gradients, there's not really a nice way of making the gradients line up correctly 18:40:10 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:42:02 Bodrick: that looks pretty nice, regardless 18:42:58 a lot better than i remember tiles looking, at least >8) 18:43:16 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:45:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:45:52 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:11 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:46:18 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:47:38 Bodrick: hrm, yeah, can you make a screenshot relative to the permarock and ice cave tiles? The shoals tiles have enough texture that I think they're less of a problem 18:49:08 I'd kind of leave a final decision to ontoclasm, since he's an actual tiles person 18:49:56 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:50:05 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:54:36 gammafunk: http://i.imgur.com/qY5aAci.png and http://i.imgur.com/1gnNPTt.png 18:54:58 gammafunk, about jelly demon summoning. It wasn't in my LoS, I had "You hear a distant "Zot"!" and then blam — "A Brimstone Fiend comes into view." Same before with lower level demons, but they were easy and I didn't really pay attention. 18:56:41 Bodrick: thanks 18:56:48 feh http://i.imgur.com/1gnNPTt.png 18:56:50 oops 18:57:11 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:59:52 Xenobreeder: oh, I see, since those jellies are strict neutral, zot traps are triggering against them 19:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:29 hrm, I guess the same thing happens for player allies, tbh 19:00:44 Yes, but those you can at least control. 19:01:10 This Jiyva perk of 'sometimes bringing you demons for your amusement' looks awfully Xom-like. 19:02:13 That's not really how I'd think about it; you could easilly say that summons returning to your position triggering zot trops to make hostile demons is xom-like 19:02:30 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: Tags] 19:03:10 We don't really have a way to make summons hostile relative to a monster only; they can either be friendly or hostile in general 19:03:24 Well if you voluntarily bring your summons into the trapped place it's one thing. But if your god just happens to bring you 1s in Shoals... 19:03:25 We could make these zot summons neutral 19:03:48 Well it may not be particularly voluntary 19:03:59 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:03:59 you have no control over the route your ally takes 19:04:34 anyhow it's not so much about "is this xom-like" as this notion is just very subjective; it's more what is a reasonable thing to do 19:04:52 If you know the trap is there you can avoid this by repositioning yourself/resummoning. If you don't, but it's in your LoS — well, tough luck, it's a trap for a reason. 19:05:25 We're not even talking about the case when you know there's a trap; we're talking about what happens out of los 19:05:25 But when it triggers on neutrals out of LoS and the demons come after you it's kind of unfair. 19:05:38 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06:12 If you don't resummon your allies and allow them to go to you after you teleport it's your avoidable fault too. 19:06:31 I just don't like the unavoidable aspect of Jiyva summoning demons. 19:08:55 Lots of things involving allies like this are fundamentally unavoidable in any reasonable sense, the question is just what is a reasonable thing to do with Zot traps 19:09:10 I could imagine that we don't have zot traps summon hostile monsters when the triggerer is neutral 19:09:18 turn them into monsters that trigger zot trap effects when they hit you 19:09:25 completely ignoring ac as is the fashion of course 19:09:30 -!- xtwv has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:09:32 hellfire summons 19:10:10 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:10:11 we could make the hostiles that are summoned neutral themselves, but that's mostly beneficial to the player 19:10:46 Wekkm the Brimstone Fiend I got on Shoals:3 can bring me a lot of hellfire if I don't avoid it, heh. 19:10:57 *Well 19:11:05 oh I thought you named him or something ) 19:11:08 *:) 19:11:20 Part of the whole idea with jiyva jellies is that they're this marauding force you can't control 19:12:13 Perhaps the zot summons are just too much as far as that aspect goes; I could see just making the zot traps not summon things for a neutral triggerer 19:12:23 Eating items — okay, that's the point, but also bringing up such a ridiculous threat looks like it's an unnecessary downside to the god. 19:12:23 The other effects are probably fine 19:12:34 It's not just eating items 19:12:38 It's killing things on the level 19:13:25 anyhow I could see making zot traps not summon vs. a neutral triggerer 19:13:36 Not like they (except the results of slimify) can kill something really important. 19:13:39 Thank you! 19:14:31 Well yeah, slimify things are one supplement to ordinary jellies that the player has 19:14:40 not to mention the ones you get when you take that hellfire damage 19:15:19 we like to avoid adding exceptions when possible; perhaps this is one is warrented, and it'd be general enough 19:15:33 *warranted 19:22:16 The bad thing is that they keep hitting the same Zot trap... Killed that fiend, got a Balrug replacement. 19:22:33 |amethyst: gammafunk: I was cheated out of credit! 19:23:59 * hypractvChipmunk gives chequers credit 19:24:04 you deserve it, man 19:24:21 bro that means a lot thanks 19:24:52 anytime 19:25:08 -!- eRogue has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:26:02 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:28:47 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:31:29 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:31:33 -!- dtsund has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:31:55 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 19:34:31 ah but I actually read up on that warning and included proper terminology in my commit 19:34:39 %git :/initializer 19:34:39 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-1889-gd68cdcd: Fix member initializers not being in the right order 10(15 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d68cdcddab41 19:35:33 I was actually not aware of the issue at all, had to read someones stackedoverflow question and the corresponding answer a few times before I realized 19:35:59 I guess the order of declaration defines what the execution in the initializer does 19:39:03 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:39:06 C++ static initialization issues? 19:39:24 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:39:52 * hypractvChipmunk shudders. 19:40:13 that thar is some bad juju 19:47:30 -!- zarath9 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:52:51 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:47 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:05:15 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:13:41 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14:43 -!- gressup has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:23:05 uh...my game on cbro just ended unexpectedly. i tried to go upstairs and saw some weird error message about not being able to save 20:23:22 unfortunately i didn't actually see it because i was already hitting > before i really registered it 20:26:27 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26:57 -!- fazisi_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:27:13 well, whatever happened, cbro officially doesn't like me now it would seem 20:28:38 I see someone repeatedly trying to start a game on cbro 20:28:44 morbon? 20:28:48 !lm morbon 20:28:48 No milestones for morbon. 20:29:43 Yeah I can't start a game either 20:30:11 if I hit "p" once nothing happens, then again and the ssh connection is dropped 20:30:20 johnstein: Is cbro having issues with starting up games? 20:32:16 yeah, morganleah is getting the same thing now 20:33:17 -!- varmin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:33:28 -!- Lantell has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:33:28 -!- _fortis has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 20:34:03 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:34:31 -!- varmin has joined ##crawl-dev 20:34:36 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:34:40 gammafunk: can I turn off message history in tileschat? it's pretty annoying 20:35:08 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:36:18 -!- phyphor has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:36:42 -!- Lantell has joined ##crawl-dev 20:37:14 -!- robbje has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:37:23 -!- jejorda2 has quit [Client Quit] 20:38:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 20:40:30 -!- Doesnt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:41:17 -!- badge has quit [] 20:46:21 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:47:33 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:53:02 -!- WalrusKing_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:53:33 -!- twzt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:54:07 -!- ekix has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:56:03 -!- ZChris13 has joined ##crawl-dev 20:57:01 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:01:15 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:02:21 -!- asdu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:04:03 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:04:06 -!- MgDark has quit [Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.92 [Firefox 40.0.3/20150826023504]] 21:06:17 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 21:07:52 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:07:59 -!- captainkraft has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12:13 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:13:31 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:13:51 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:14:55 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:16:21 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 21:16:58 no 21:18:09 -!- danharaj has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:18:41 <|amethyst> two things that would be nice re new message history: 21:19:00 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:19:06 -!- wheals_ is now known as wheals 21:19:28 <|amethyst> 1. it would be nice if recalling an old line, editing it, then pressing up or down, remembered the changes you made 21:19:46 <|amethyst> probably adding it at the end of history, but changing the old line might be reasonable instead 21:20:35 <|amethyst> 2. it would be nice if command history had the same interface (for example, not looping when you reach the beginning of the history) 21:21:32 <|amethyst> oh, and not related to new message history, but 21:21:42 <|amethyst> 3. it would be nice if there were a key to bring up the message window 21:21:44 <|amethyst> maybe _ ? 21:22:10 <|amethyst> but I guess the problem is that you wouldn't be able to rebind that key, since it would be processed solely on the client side 21:25:07 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 21:28:02 bh: you can push that change, it works fine for me 21:29:11 |amethyst: yeah, I looked at how e.g. irssi handles 1), and it adds it to a "unsent message history" at the end 21:29:39 I'm not sure what you mean by command history in 2) 21:29:48 <|amethyst> gammafunk: on things like ctrl-f 21:29:52 ah yes 21:29:59 yeah that would indeed be lovely 21:30:15 would require implementation in both tiles and webtiles and console, of course 21:30:24 s/both // 21:31:06 <|amethyst> I was thinking just webtiles, but that would be even nicer, yes 21:32:25 I miss things like that a lot in wizmode commands 21:33:50 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:35:48 03bh02 07* 0.17-a0-1900-g45e8110: Disable tileschat history on dir+shift 10(30 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/45e81100c480 21:35:52 irssi unsent message history is, like, the best thing in life 21:36:27 it makes me happy everytime i use it 21:36:39 -!- DDFi has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:36:58 I didn't implement the full thing that irssi does, since that's a bit more complicated, although not terribly so 21:40:19 is there even a point to tracking stones anymore? i remember when i used to play, they had weight, but now they may as well be considered an unlimited resource and free up an inventory slot 21:41:22 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:41:24 they'd be, like, ranged fists 21:41:57 -!- Fhqwhgads_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:42:20 -!- Pacra_ has joined ##crawl-dev 21:42:40 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:43:16 i guess maybe for earth elementalists...do they tend to run out? 21:46:36 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:47:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 21:55:24 they can run out, especially early (although since stones replaced darts it's rarer than it used to be) 21:56:15 and eventually you want to switch to stronger stuff 21:57:04 ah 21:57:23 <|amethyst> my concern would be, what do you do for early throwing monsters? 21:57:24 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:57:28 <|amethyst> give them tomahawks? 21:57:30 it's just like, i'm at D:4 and i'm running around with 300 stones and thinking, "why are they even bothering to track this stuff?" 21:57:52 bring back darts! 21:57:59 they can throw stones at you, too 21:58:06 just mulch them 21:58:11 although yeah, if you have bad luck, your EE can run out of stones 21:58:21 <_miek> its not like its particularly resource intensive to track them 21:58:21 <|amethyst> but then you can't run them (the monster) out of ammo to make them switch 21:58:23 well, even without bad luck you can run out in lair 21:58:36 sure, it doesn't have to be unlimited for them 21:58:38 since sandblast w/stones is so good in lair 21:58:48 <_miek> you ideally don't want to spam them as EE, but save for properly difficult fights 21:59:12 no, it's not resource intensive but it's a minor nuisance 21:59:24 but if there's a point for them for EEs, then that answers it 21:59:50 <_miek> it would be nice if stones auto-mulched when thrown 21:59:54 <_miek> just to save the running around to pick them up 21:59:54 perhaps this could get resolved as part of throwing reform 21:59:54 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 22:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:02 i'm not quite sure what the plan with throwing is 22:00:04 !messages 22:00:04 (1/1) greensnark said (1d 3h 13m 33s ago): No title: yet, but it's on my list 22:00:18 s/throwing reform/ranged reform 22:00:39 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 22:03:05 if it weren't for EE concerns, I'd just say leave stones as an infinite resource for the player that your quiver falls back on, free up the minor hassle of managing them in your inventory, and have them just mulch when thrown. Monsters would have limited stones still, but since you don't need them they can automulch too 22:03:40 (me just summarizing my thoughts in case i want to submit them officially) 22:04:03 now how would i handle EE... 22:05:24 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:05:37 <|amethyst> give the bonus when empty-handed (but that probably encourages UC too much), or allow wielding the fake stones slot and give the bonus when you do that 22:06:14 <|amethyst> I feel like the time spent switching weapons is more significant for EEs than the number of stones 22:06:22 that doesn't address..ah, okay 22:06:24 <|amethyst> since the weight limit went away 22:06:44 <|amethyst> (but I suck as a player, so don't listen to me) 22:06:48 me too >8D 22:06:53 don't worry! 22:07:04 one time i got to shoals 22:07:07 no, two times 22:07:20 first time was years ago though 22:07:38 think i died on shoals:2 both times 22:08:09 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:08:14 <_miek> you could make it slower to swap to than normal weapons too 22:08:28 <_miek> 15 auts instead of 10 22:08:34 |amethyst: i think that sandblast would be overwhelmingly the best l1 spell if you had infinite stones 22:08:38 i like the first option if UC encouragement wasn't an issue...ideally there would be no "slot" to go to 22:08:51 -!- Palyth_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:08:52 then you don't have to put in an interface for it 22:08:57 <_miek> well it encourages UC during the part of the game where UC is the worst 22:08:59 well, freeze would still have the advantage of slowing adders and the like 22:10:01 the only interface change would be giving the quiver an always-available "Stones" in its cycle 22:10:40 you'd switch to them manually like you switch to fists, i.e. Q- 22:11:07 I was thinking of making the message history not overlaid on the game 22:11:20 instead just put a column on the right of the window for chat, like twitch does 22:11:37 maybe even to the extent of making the dcss window not full-size for the remainder of the page 22:12:09 <|amethyst> maybe if there's some way to turn it off 22:12:28 <|amethyst> I don't want 1/4 or whatever of my game screen taken up by chat 22:12:47 <|amethyst> then again, I don't play webtiles 22:14:03 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:16:12 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:16:53 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:21:16 -!- Idolo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:21:17 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21:21 <_miek> would be nice to be able to see more than 4 lines of what's happened at a time 22:21:41 <_miek> and then also be able to not have to "more" for spammy combat interactions 22:24:36 -!- FiftyNine has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:24:38 |amethyst: i think he means in-game message history? 22:26:03 oh, "for chat" 22:26:56 Wand of HW from trove not marked as useless for VS 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9974 by CanOfWorms 22:29:02 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:29:09 <|amethyst> wheals: hah, beat you by a millisecond 22:29:18 oops! 22:29:22 <|amethyst> but you marked it resolved, so 22:29:29 yeah 22:29:38 <|amethyst> speaking of which, here's CanOfWorms 22:29:41 :O 22:29:47 we're like, the two stooges 22:29:50 ew! put them back in the can! gross! 22:29:52 and yeah I forgot about that 22:29:57 CanOfWorms: you can be shemp 22:30:18 -!- |amethyst is now known as CurlyJoe 22:30:21 -!- CurlyJoe is now known as |amethyst 22:30:32 well, back to splatting my VS then :v 22:30:39 <|amethyst> The Five Stooges, Just Not All At The Same Time 22:30:54 bug report: stooges not marked as useless 22:31:06 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:31:09 <|amethyst> !send CanOfWorms Iggy Pop 22:31:09 Sending Iggy Pop to CanOfWorms. 22:31:37 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:31:46 -!- MarvinPA_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:32:16 -!- Bcadren has quit [Excess Flood] 22:34:45 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:38:53 <|amethyst> hm 22:39:14 <|amethyst> ah 22:39:35 <|amethyst> there is even special-case code for the objection I was just thinking of 22:39:41 <|amethyst> if (item.sub_type == WAND_HEAL_WOUNDS 22:39:41 <|amethyst> && item_type_known(item) 22:39:42 <|amethyst> && you.innate_mutation[MUT_NO_DEVICE_HEAL] == 3 22:39:42 <|amethyst> && player_mutation_level(MUT_NO_LOVE)) 22:39:58 haha 22:40:05 <|amethyst> (likewise for /haste and formicids) 22:44:13 <|amethyst> !tell Lasty FR: Sacrifice Hope: if you roll above-average on roll for to-hit, damage, MR, or spell/evo failure, the game re-rolls it 22:44:13 |amethyst: OK, I'll let lasty know. 22:44:32 <|amethyst> I think I said "roll" too much 22:46:42 just roll with it 22:47:44 -!- DDFi has quit [Quit: Page closed] 22:52:03 * hypractvChipmunk *rimshot* 22:52:25 <|amethyst> not a drumroll? 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