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[8.11%], 101/2199x entered Doroklohe's Tomb. [4.59%], 69/1676x entered The Roulette of Golubria. [4.12%], 76/2363x entered Wucad Mu's Monastery. [3.22%], 74/2343x entered Iskenderun's Mystic Tower. [3.16%], 58/2377x entered Zonguldrok's Shrine. [2.44... 01:37:12 -!- namad8 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:38:19 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 01:38:55 .wizrank recent 01:38:57 236/6557 milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab milestone!~~hellbinder|cloud|erinya|upun|cekugob|borgnjor|a_wizard recent): 21/259x entered Lehudib's Moon Base. [8.11%], 53/796x entered Doroklohe's Tomb. [6.66%], 35/837x entered Iskenderun's Mystic Tower. [4.18%], 37/886x entered Wucad Mu's Monastery. [4.18%], 35/882x entered The Roulette of Golubria. [3.97%], 21/866x entered Zonguldrok's Shrine. [2.42... 01:39:12 !kw current 01:39:12 Keyword: current => cv>=0.16 01:39:15 .wizrank current 01:39:16 133/3373 milestones for * (br.enter=wizlab milestone!~~hellbinder|cloud|erinya|upun|cekugob|borgnjor|a_wizard current): 21/259x entered Lehudib's Moon Base. [8.11%], 28/389x entered Doroklohe's Tomb. [7.20%], 20/465x entered Iskenderun's Mystic Tower. [4.30%], 18/455x entered Wucad Mu's Monastery. [3.96%], 7/203x entered Eringya's Formal Garden. [3.45%], 15/473x entered The Roulette of Golubria. 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Wolfechu the Slayer (L27 HOFi of Beogh), starved to death on Zot:5 (hall_of_Zot) on 2015-09-09 06:39:05, with 607077 points after 68611 turns and 4:31:47. 04:30:34 "The curse toe calls on the butt of butts! 04:30:55 !tell Lasty Powerful z synergy in the latest .cobbed from wolfechu 04:30:56 gammafunk: OK, I'll let lasty know. 04:32:54 haha 04:33:14 Beogh blesses you with reinforcements. 04:33:14 You have starved to death. 04:33:15 You die... 04:33:15 Save macros? 04:33:35 They arrive just in time to watch him die of starvation 04:34:28 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:47:41 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:00:56 heh 05:08:15 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 05:10:31 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 05:16:55 -!- ololoev has quit [Client Quit] 05:25:54 RIP hammers 05:29:30 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:31:37 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:33:49 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:56:45 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07:59 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:12:33 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 06:16:54 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:20:29 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:29:23 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:29:26 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:30:25 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:50:33 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 06:58:22 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:59:29 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:07:09 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:24:59 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:27:56 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:36:35 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:56:33 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:01:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:07:13 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:15:57 -!- thomas_ is now known as Guest25795 08:19:18 -!- radinms has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:28:49 -!- namad7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:30:01 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:32:44 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:35:03 -!- Lasty_ has joined ##crawl-dev 08:36:49 -!- nimtz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:41:16 !tell gammafunk do you want to address archaeo's report on radims's post? 08:41:17 Lasty_: OK, I'll let gammafunk know. 08:42:34 -!- Wheatmill has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:43:05 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45:18 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:45:19 -!- Cheburashka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:57:08 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 08:57:40 -!- nimtz has quit [Quit: .] 09:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:01:48 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:06:10 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:15:35 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23:21 %git 09:23:21 07Lasty02 * 0.17-a0-1793-gcbb3aa1: Improve rounding on undead damage (|amethyst) 10(12 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cbb3aa1db16f 09:40:43 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:52:22 Lasty_: rouding up undead ever since, I see. 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Use !messages to read it. 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:42 -!- setecastronomy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:08:03 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:12:57 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:13:35 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:16:40 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 11:24:24 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:24:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:25:11 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25:45 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:26:03 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:48 -!- WalrusKing__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:35:36 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:40:03 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:41:07 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56:04 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:56:10 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56:46 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:12 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:14 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:10:00 -!- Spathi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:12:31 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 12:12:56 Lasty_: Re that report, we should be consistent about that I guess. We didn't tolerate the constant "stupid devs stop development" posts from onget. 12:13:43 Hopefully a warning will make radinms stop trying to emulate him 12:14:48 -!- Guest25795 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:14:48 -!- skeletonhat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:14:48 -!- imaginarythomas has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 12:15:57 <|amethyst> hm 12:16:16 <|amethyst> I feel kind of like devs shouldn't be the ones involved in moderating that kind of thing 12:16:27 <|amethyst> since they have a dog in the race 12:17:00 there aren't any very active non-dev mods right now from what I can tell? 12:17:10 <|amethyst> hm 12:17:24 -!- archaeo has joined ##crawl-dev 12:18:33 |amethyst: sorry, was reading the log, and wanted to put in 2 cents 12:18:47 "dogs in the race" probably won't be a big deal if the rules are applied evenly 12:19:22 e.g. if nobody's allowed to call other people stupid, devs and players alike, there shouldn't be concerns about bias 12:20:03 that's stupid 12:20:12 :| 12:20:54 wheals: in practice, it seems be okay to say that, though 12:21:18 you have to really go beyond just calling an idea "stupid" to get in trouble 12:21:30 |amethyst: Well how is it different when onget says "devs are stupid stop development"? 12:21:57 I agree his statement there isn't as bad as some of onget's 12:21:59 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:22:30 is onget even being serious at this point? 12:23:00 maybe it's the broken english, but i think he's become a self-parody 12:23:21 Well self-parody really isn't cover for saying bad things 12:23:51 Again I'm not vehement about this, but we warned onget for what's a pretty similar thing 12:24:05 oh, i didn't realise 12:24:21 <|amethyst> what's the post in question anyway? 12:24:24 Perhaps this is just a poor word choice in this particular case, radinms also isn't a particularly native english speaker 12:24:27 *strong 12:24:40 "Because stupid devs created stupid AI of OoF." 12:24:57 from https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=17&p=242064#p242064 12:25:08 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:25:19 <|amethyst> Oh, I had thought it was about "early game forces stupid pillar dance" 12:25:30 <|amethyst> which doesn't insult anyone directly, just the game 12:25:49 yeah, heh, that's the line that's been crossed (such as it is) 12:26:01 "Hey, call our game stupid, just don't call *us* stupid" 12:27:17 Anyhow if people feel "calling devs stupid" needs to be acted upon only in relatively extreme instances, I'm open to being reasonable 12:28:03 <|amethyst> how about, every time someone calls the devs stupid, we open a github fork of crawl for them 12:28:16 haha 12:28:19 <|amethyst> then report once a month "DCSS has had N commits, onget-crawl has had 0" 12:28:42 We force trolling messages like that to be in their signature 12:28:51 dang, ice cold 12:29:18 also, I requested that /r/dcss allow something like "DCSS Dev" flair, since I saw the URR dev had this and thought it was nice 12:29:50 <|amethyst> !seen ophanim 12:29:50 I last saw ophanim at Sat Jun 27 22:09:01 2015 UTC (10w 3d 18h 20m 49s ago) parting ##crawl, saying 'chanpart'. 12:29:58 good response from ophanim about whether it was possible/good idea: "It is, but caw [the other /r/dcss mod] is the one who knows how to do it. I'm just here for sex appeal." 12:30:07 <|amethyst> heh 12:31:29 -!- vale__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:31:51 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:32:31 -!- Banee has quit [] 12:32:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:37:37 |amethyst: I looked into the expired messages thing, and there are two issues. The first is that it seems that the webtiles implementer seemed to have meant to expire old messages via this "rollback" client-side code that's at-present only used for temporary messages from e.g. prompts 12:38:34 You could call for new mods. 12:38:35 There's code for an "old_msg" integer prop in the messaging json in message.cc, but this is never used in the binary; the client js supports reclaiming the div message objects when this value is sent, but the binary will never tell it to 12:38:52 Yeah, archaeo here is a possibility (god help us all!) 12:38:55 (this id about onget otc) 12:39:02 gammafunk: I thought exactly the same. 12:39:15 dpeg: he is *very* young, though 12:39:55 you mean he cannot be tried for homicide? 12:40:01 haha 12:40:04 lol 12:40:34 dpeg: in my country at least, we love trying kids as adults, fwiw 12:41:02 * dpeg didn't expect you guys to know each other in person... I know exactly nobody, except for jpeg and a few folks from the Berlin IRDC sessions 12:41:14 |amethyst: I'm not sure this could ever work, since the binary can't really know what is an old message in terms of the view space on the client? 12:41:39 But the approach in the pr108 is probably the right basic idea, but needs a better way to decide "messages past this point we delete" 12:42:00 dpeg: gammafunk and I only know each other through tileschat, and he's kidding; I'm a grown up 12:43:01 <|amethyst> gammafunk: hm 12:43:03 Yeah, archaeo has been around the community "forever" by now in crawl terms, and is more restrained than I am, so he'd have my vote 12:43:26 I think if the goal is to have someone perceived as "unbiased," I would be a poor choice fwiw 12:43:31 Something like, "delete all but 15 messages"? 12:43:40 pity that :) I'd still cheer for you as a forum operative, archaeo 12:43:42 There has to be some practical number past which we'd never display 12:43:47 thanks dpeg 12:43:53 <|amethyst> gammafunk: that's what it currently does, but with 10 12:43:56 <|amethyst> gammafunk: 15 is better :) 12:44:07 <|amethyst> gammafunk: I was thinking something like 100, but maybe that's too many 12:44:37 <|amethyst> also, does ctrl-p still work? I assume that's handled in the binary and not in JS so it would 12:44:40 archaeo: I even forgot my funny prank that I played on you... I remember that every reply to mps had to refer to the Berlin Interpretation, but I have to look up what it was about you. I am getting old. 12:44:45 |amethyst: well isn't it "delete all but len(messages) - 10"? 12:44:58 <|amethyst> let me take a look again 12:45:02 which isn't the same as deleting all but 10 12:45:09 it's slice(0, -10) 12:45:24 <|amethyst> what does it do with that slice 12:45:44 oh right, it does remove them 12:45:52 -!- oho_hups has quit [Quit: bong timeout] 12:46:12 oh this is such that 0 is the index of the oldest, isn't it 12:46:24 <|amethyst> That was how I interpreted it 12:46:38 Yeah, oops, you're right then, we could just use -15 there 12:47:11 But you think that explicit expiration from the binary is probably just something we should remove/not pursue? 12:47:20 It's totally unused at present 12:47:44 Rollbacks still happen for e.g. prompt messages but this "old_msgs" thing isn't used 12:48:22 specifically message_store::send() is what activates that 12:48:28 but no caller of this uses a value other than 0 12:50:18 dpeg: You mean you don't recall every bit of tavern drama in detail? This is crucial knowledge and history that must be preserved! 12:50:30 gammafunk: yesyes! 12:51:07 I wonder who duvessa meant when he said that some dev asked for banishment... That means, I wonder if he meant me. 12:52:00 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 12:52:22 I'd be amazed if it was only ever one 12:54:09 hehe 12:56:31 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:02:08 -!- dpeg has quit [Quit: later!] 13:06:02 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 13:07:27 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:08:46 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:13:06 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15:27 -!- beaupreandre has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:16:23 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:17:21 gammafunk: yeah, I don't know where we draw the line on "calling people stupid" as opposed to "calling ideas or game elements stupid". I think for consistency, it'd make sense to give warnings for clear insults to individuals or groups ("the devs are stupid", "men are stupid"). It gets a little fuzzy once you start factoring in individuals and groups that aren't part of the tavern ("Johnny Depp is stupid", "politicians are stupid") 13:17:35 yep 13:17:58 Johnny Depp isn't part of tavern? That guy is stupid then. 13:18:04 The system works! 13:18:21 I do think it'd be great to get more moderators 13:18:41 But I'm not sure who would be a good choice. I suppose we could ask for nominations. 13:19:16 Lasty_: did you see the discussion re: archaeo? 13:19:26 Ask for volunteers, then immediately blacklist those people :-P 13:19:37 I'm making a post about it in Whispers, so we can hear from people not in channel as well 13:20:01 gammafunk: I did, and as far as I'm concerned, he'd be a good choice. Always seems to keep things pretty level-headed. 13:20:16 plathrop: WHO TOLD YOU? 13:20:19 I mean, of course not. 13:20:34 Lasty_: it seems like you could go with the usual rules for non-tavern people, e.g. keep it reasonable 13:20:41 Great minds think alike, and evil minds steal each other's ideas. 13:21:04 in the same way that it's ok to be critical of other people's ideas if you don't take it too far, know what I mean? 13:22:14 Look, archaeo is advocating for moderators using their own judgment! He wins my vote. 13:23:20 Maybe we should have a contest: we'll make a mod out of the first person who provides a good alternate forum to discuss crawl in dowan's thread. 13:24:09 lol 13:24:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:25:41 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 13:27:42 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:28:36 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:28:52 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1793-gcbb3aa1 (34) 13:29:40 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 13:29:45 -!- Utis has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 13:30:55 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 13:32:52 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:34:20 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:44:31 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:46:12 -!- dgu404 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:47:03 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:47:40 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:54:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:59:56 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01:26 !seen caw 14:01:26 Sorry gammafunk, I haven't seen caw. 14:01:41 From caw [cww apparently on reddit], "Shoot me a list of all the users that should get dev flairs, and I'll make it happen. :)" 14:02:14 I have neil, gammafunk, dpeg, MarvinPA, but I'm not sure if Lasty, wheals, reaverb post there 14:02:30 This is for "DCSS dev" flair on /r/dcss 14:04:52 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 14:08:37 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:09:26 bh posts there 14:11:42 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:13:23 speaking of gammafunk not to be too annoying but did you get your groceries? hint hint 14:18:11 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 14:24:55 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 14:25:45 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:26:43 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 14:27:21 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:35:47 -!- twelwe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 14:40:09 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:41:33 -!- abra0 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:41:43 -!- Chousuke has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:42:14 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:42:14 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:42:39 -!- Chousuke has joined ##crawl-dev 14:47:38 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:49:00 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:50:48 gammafunk: I've been known to post on Reddit, but rarely. My username is Propagander, since Lasty was already taken. 14:51:14 I should get a better username. 14:52:08 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 14:53:42 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:56:00 Lasty_: very appropriate name imo 14:56:06 obv 14:56:08 haha 14:56:22 oh, right, bh 14:56:29 It really should have been "ProperGander" in any case. 14:57:04 !tell wheals Do you post on reddit, if so let me know your username so cww can give you "DCSS dev" flair in /r/dcss 14:57:04 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:57:04 gammafunk: OK, I'll let wheals know. 14:57:13 !tell reaverb Do you post on reddit, if so let me know your username so cww can give you "DCSS dev" flair in /r/dcss 14:57:14 gammafunk: OK, I'll let reaverb know. 14:57:18 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:58:04 archaeo: any idea what his reddit username is? 14:58:39 hold on, reddit's potato servers are on the fritz 15:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:00:11 i see that freeze has gone back to just being a great spell instead of ridiculous :) 15:00:47 gammafunk: his username is bhickey_ 15:00:56 thanks 15:01:25 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:01:29 you can tell it's really him because in addition to dcss, he also posts arguments about housing prices in r/boston 15:02:07 hah 15:02:37 god, probably argues a lot in /r/kayaktowork as well 15:02:48 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 15:03:03 it's true though. you can spend entire paychecks on renting a closet in boston metro. i'd hate to know what ownership prices are like 15:03:09 lol 15:03:25 ProzacElf: yeah, owning anything here is absurd 15:03:39 my only comfort is that when I sell it, I can move anywhere else and buy a house outright with no mortgagte 15:03:43 oh, you're in the area? 15:03:51 yep :) 15:04:18 -!- asdu has quit [Quit: Page closed] 15:04:51 I don't think I could live in boston. San Francisco is about as much city as I can take 15:05:31 Not that home ownership is anything but insane there either 15:05:32 haha yeah 15:05:47 Never been, but I hear good things, except arguably about the influence of Google 15:05:48 as I have reminded you before gammafunk 15:05:52 there's more than corn in Indiana! 15:06:02 You mean soybeans, right? 15:06:06 ...yes 15:06:42 ah yes, the glittering metropolis that is Indianapolis 15:07:24 -!- LexAckson__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:25 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:09:04 san francisco is a nice city 15:11:08 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:25 -!- LexAckson_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:12:25 -!- LexAckson__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:15:01 mmmmm....Indianapolis 15:15:12 at least you probably get to see Tom Raper RV billboards =P 15:16:12 good old tom raper 15:16:47 and it's a pretty cool place! cheap to live in, has lots of big city amenities, cool/accessible arts community, etc. 15:18:32 I am a fan of the midwest, but not specifically Indiana, except as a setting for Parks and Rec. 15:21:04 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 15:21:45 -!- waat has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:22:37 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:24:24 wheals: do you post on reddit? 15:24:42 if so, give me your reddit username for "DCSS Dev" flair in /r/dcss 15:24:48 it's wheals 15:24:48 wheals: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 15:25:08 !messages 15:25:09 (1/1) gammafunk said (28m 5s ago): Do you post on reddit, if so let me know your username so cww can give you "DCSS dev" flair in /r/dcss 15:25:15 gammafunk: it's wheals 15:25:20 oh, I actually searched for that and couldn't find any posts 15:25:22 but thanks 15:25:24 a likely story 15:26:17 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:26:25 Grunt was sgrunt_ and |amethyst is neilmoore i think, if you want anyone else 15:26:35 -!- LexAckson_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:26:40 oh, there you are, I did my search wrong 15:26:49 right, grunt posts as well. thanks 15:26:55 I think neil uses just "neil"? 15:28:08 heh, I missed the "is cszo down" reddit post back when the server was down a couple days ago 15:28:09 2 minutes, 33 seconds since last activity (cszo) 15:28:15 thx Sequell 15:28:58 wheals, nice post explaining how saving works 15:29:33 gammafunk: /u/neil last posted 9 years ago 15:29:50 yeah, I also don't see posts from neilmoore though 15:30:02 |amethyst: what's your reddit username? 15:34:33 -!- Cerpin has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36:29 -!- Cerpin has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:31 I see someone excited about having their first commit merged, so they post....a screenshot 15:36:46 (of the commit listed on github) 15:37:08 reminds me of 15:37:12 ??pleasingfungus[4 15:37:12 pleasingfungus[4/24]: did you just link a commit history as a png? 15:38:57 -!- Karasu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:41:26 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:42:15 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 15:47:01 -!- medeah has quit [Client Quit] 15:48:12 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:54:12 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:55:22 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:56:19 Reflecting pool entry vault 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9947 by MainiacJoe 15:56:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:18 -!- beaupreandre has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:42 -!- imaginarythomas has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:01:08 -!- thomas__ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:01:08 -!- skeletonhat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:03:25 gammafunk: more vaults for you to review! 16:04:21 i remember when my first commit was merged 16:04:44 DrKe: which one was it? 16:04:52 i think the volcano loot thing 16:04:56 which you later improved upon lol 16:05:54 -!- rkd has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:06:19 oh right, that guy 16:06:38 man, I don't remember the first time I committed something which someone else didn't immediately improve on 16:06:47 I'm pretty sure it took a while 16:08:23 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 16:08:45 instead it's just improved on at a later date 16:09:23 haha yeah 16:11:33 gammafunk: i thought he was neilmoore too...i can't find any posts by neil or neilmoore, but i do see https://www.reddit.com/r/dcss/comments/2zvy4l/apparently_chars_are_doing_double_damage_in_16/, which suggests to me that he recently deleted his account? and google searches for "reddit dcss neilmoore" turn up other pages with no references to neilmoore, but some deleted accounts 16:11:48 i finally saw the no hammers yiuf lair =( 16:12:15 oh, maybe he got tired of reddit 16:12:42 hammers are gone? 16:12:48 yeah 16:13:00 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:13:00 MarvinPA's quest to ruin crawl continues =P 16:13:01 well, i knew it would happen one day 16:13:26 hammers being removed, not mpa ruining crawl 16:13:30 lol 16:13:30 i mean those arent mutually exclusive tho 16:13:52 or maybe he just deleted all his DCSS posts. i think he is still around on other subs but maybe as you say tired of /r/dcss 16:15:54 DrKe: well of course you weren't referring to him ruining crawl, that already happened! 16:16:38 yeah, my english is bad and i use the wrong tense 16:16:41 sometimes 16:17:49 how does reddit compare to tavern in terms of how infuriating it is to read 16:18:04 I would say less infuriating to read 16:18:16 so if tavern is a 10 reddit would be like an 8? 16:18:28 Well it's mostly people asking for advice on chars 16:18:34 DrKe: i find /r/dcss pretty reasonable 16:18:37 there's not the cyc and gdd type discussion in /r/dcss 16:18:46 so it's probably more a 5 or 6 yeah 16:19:02 Depends on how infuriated you might be by bad advice, but I'm not sure how bad the advice is there 16:19:04 as opposed to people being as disrespectful as they can be without getting banned? 16:19:08 there's some bad advice given, but mostly it is requests for advice and bragging about getting your first win 16:19:37 It's not anywhere near tavern levels 16:19:46 DrKe: i don't think your tense was off. just because he already ruined crawl doesn't mean the process isn't still ongoing =P 16:19:50 I think you'd have to go to SA or /vg in 4chan to get to that 16:20:06 oh god, they talk about crawl on 4chan? 16:20:11 yep 16:20:14 in the roguelike thread 16:20:18 ouch 16:20:39 For a long time it was the most talked about RL by far I'd say, and it's still talked about a lot 16:20:59 from what I can tell, at least; I usually look at once every couple of weeks 16:21:30 would never think of posting there though, that place is completely unfiltered 16:21:33 well, it does seem to be one of the most played 16:21:37 -!- BlackGyver_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:21:51 yeah, i try to avoid 4chan 16:21:59 hell, i try to avoid reddit for the most part 16:22:22 and i have no legit explanation as to why i still look at tavern for that matter =P 16:22:23 4chan is at least pretty easy to avoid 16:22:33 like there doesnt seem to be any permanence to anything that happens 16:22:39 so people dont link you there 16:23:06 yeah, that's true 16:23:28 I don't want to pay for SA, so I don't read that, but several devs post there, PF probably most prolifically 16:24:16 does he still? 16:24:31 the last time i read it he was posting there but that was a long time ago 16:24:39 as i understand PF left forever or something 16:24:39 also, did anyone ever get the password for @crawlcode 16:25:06 yeah, it's always sad when people do :( 16:25:49 he showed up here briefly a couple nights ago 16:25:50 He stops by now and again, at least 16:25:58 i think he said he was going to give the pw to someone 16:26:09 They all have to ascend with the ORB at some point... 16:26:11 well he showed up to give away the password, but nobody said "yes please, give it to me" 16:26:18 right 16:27:46 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:37:25 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:38:55 I just saw something weird in webtiles, a player tried to step on a zot trap and didn't get a prompt, just the text box to type "yes" 16:40:18 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:41:30 -!- fiddlerw1aroof has quit [Client Quit] 16:42:06 -!- Kintak has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:42:22 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:42:22 odd 16:49:26 just run across a bug i think 16:49:36 if i kill an angel, the halo doesn't disappear 16:50:13 same with servitors 16:51:58 !lm bodrick x=src 16:51:59 2340. [2015-09-09 12:01:35] [src=cxc] Bodrick the Imperceptible (L16 VpEn of Dithmenos) left the Elven Halls on turn 29597. (Elf:1) 16:52:06 it's my local game 16:52:12 Tiles? 16:52:14 yeah 16:52:28 i came across it while testing my lighting changes 16:52:29 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:52:46 you've verified it happens in trunk? 16:52:46 but it seems to happen even if i don't have them applied 16:52:55 Because it sounds like something we'd have seen 16:53:05 I can test in a bit 16:53:06 yeah, that's what i thought 16:53:10 i'll investigate further 16:54:44 could be local-tiles only 16:54:51 then we would never have seen it 16:55:10 i'm just doing a clean checkout again 16:57:56 Bodrick: helps to do your work in a branch, so you can just check out master 16:58:01 in case you're not doing that 16:58:14 yeah, i'm doing that already 16:58:28 i'm kinda new to git though, so i may have just cocked something up 17:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:01:52 yup, still happens on trunk 17:02:22 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03:01 http://i.imgur.com/7YOn2w9.png 17:03:06 i'll put it in mantis 17:06:24 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:12:29 Haloes don't disappear upon killing their source 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9948 by Bodrick 17:12:34 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:13:52 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 17:22:57 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:29:25 -!- blabber has joined ##crawl-dev 17:31:20 is there any reason why exp pots give massive amounts of skill points early 17:31:27 instead of the equivalent amount you'd get by killing dudes 17:33:14 wow, it is a massive amount. i sorta assumed it was just as much as you'd get for killduding 17:33:27 no, it's a gargantuan amount 17:33:41 hufi gets 3 -> ~3,5 fighting by killing dudes from xl1 to xl2 17:33:46 quaff a potion of exp, 3 -> 8 17:33:51 but i just got 6.7 levels of fighting for !exp at XL1 and -1 apt, vs 1.3 levels for leveling up 17:37:47 I think at high xl it's the exact opposite 17:37:56 you gain extra hp, mp and a spell slot but like zero skill 17:38:48 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:39:05 yeah, even on skills that you have nothing in it's pretty sad 17:39:32 iirc it gives a fixed amount which is worth a lot early on and essentially nothing later? I think the problem is skill points scale oddly 17:39:51 yes 17:40:07 that makes sense 17:40:08 -!- axecop has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:40:19 and it's easily fixed by making the potion give you exp instead of an xl and a flat amount of skill points 17:40:45 yes that makes it worse on fast-leveling races but seriously who cares 17:42:14 -!- _Stormsson has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:42:39 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:43:08 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:44:12 in conclusion: the whole skill system is very "legacy" 17:44:23 You mean, it should just give you the xp equivalent to going from your current xl (at 0%) to your next xl? 17:44:40 well whatever % you're at 17:44:53 then you need to hold onto it until level up 17:45:00 which is sillier imo 17:45:16 how so 17:45:19 -!- captainkraft has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:45:34 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:45:35 and even just waiting for next xl is good because you get so much more xp with each level transition 17:45:45 if you drink it at xl10 99% you hit xl11 99%, if you drink it at xl11 0% you hit xl12 0% 17:46:33 certainly you get more exp if you quaff it later but you're also carrying around a potion of free hp and skills and stuff gives more exp anyway 17:47:17 basically it'd be no different from the current version except you don't get an absurd amount of skill points early and ~zero late 17:47:32 I guess there's at least a decision based on the char, but on many chars I'm going to just hold onto it until a couple xls later unless my char feels weak 17:47:34 relatively speaking anyway, obviously the absolute amount scales 17:47:56 you level really fast early on 17:48:27 being an xl lower than you could be is also a lot worse early than it is late 17:48:51 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:48:57 I still don't see how this would significantly differ from the current exp pot 17:49:22 Well it only differs in that there's really no decision currently, since the xp you get is fixed 17:50:00 I'm assuming the skill points you get are fixed, anyhow, I'd have to look to confirm 17:50:22 I'm fairly sure it's something like N*xl skill points 17:50:39 oh, if so I wasn't aware 17:51:09 yeah skill_menu(SKMF_EXPERIENCE_POTION, 750 * you.experience_level); 17:51:33 so in that case you can already say there's a decision 17:51:53 There's a questio of what do to for xl27 chars 17:52:01 I guess it's just pretend they're xl26 17:52:34 or we make a xp table entry for xl28 even though your actual level can't go that high 17:53:11 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:53:21 it is a pretty big nerf for xp pots when those are most impactful (early on), I guess 17:53:32 but aren't players winning more, and isn't that a problem we have to fix? 17:54:08 !lg * s=cv / won o=% 17:54:14 32912/4616018 games for *: 3959/323273x 0.16-a [1.22%], 1044/86516x 0.11-a [1.21%], 3906/335080x 0.17-a [1.17%], 2811/243515x 0.16 [1.15%], 1848/220149x 0.15 [0.84%], 2130/264056x 0.15-a [0.81%], 889/112363x 0.12 [0.79%], 1064/139623x 0.14 [0.76%], 1445/201959x 0.12-a [0.72%], 348/49347x 0.9-a [0.71%], 551/78899x 0.10-a [0.70%], 935/140770x 0.13 [0.66%], 1627/260914x 0.13-a [0.62%], 2200/366532x 0... 17:54:24 <_miek> its certainly true that as players get better they start to win more 17:54:44 I guess we can blame 0.16-a on meleebug 17:54:50 it'd nerf early xp pots but that wouldn't change the fact an early xp pot is still a huge buff 17:55:27 hrm, going to probably need to do something about zigs 17:55:31 since there are a lot of xp pots there 17:56:27 xp pots in zigs was always kind of silly anyhow 17:56:31 you're getting xp from the monsters 17:56:44 could just make them a rare drop there 17:56:59 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 17:57:08 I sometimes do/did a couple of zig levels while diving depths if I found the zig since I'm usually closer to xl20 than xl27 17:57:42 there's aren't too many at zig:1-10 but will still need some adjustment 17:58:12 there's like 1-2 every floor past some point and getting e.g. xl26->27 worth of xp each time will be nuts 17:58:28 yeah, I rarely find (m)any but the first couple of floors are free loot and you can just cblink if you get mummies or something 17:59:11 <_miek> I should probably do that more, but I usually do depths before third rune anyway and then just forget about zigs because I'm already strong enough to just go win 17:59:32 so am I but if I can grab a free xl or two why the hell not 18:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:08 -!- danharaj has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:01:26 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1793-gcbb3aa1 (34) 18:02:41 hm, actually I can't find an obvious exp pot on any of my xl<27 zig logs 18:03:03 although dieselrobin hit xl26 on zig:8 and 27 on 11 which seems fairly suspicious 18:03:11 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 18:04:43 -!- blabber has quit [Quit: leaving] 18:08:03 -!- kroki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:08:11 -!- Silas is now known as Guest99423 18:09:09 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:10:03 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:10:03 -!- fazisi has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:10:59 -!- Sonderblade has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:12:40 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:16:45 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:22:36 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:27:13 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:27:50 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29:11 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:32:13 -!- hayenne has quit [Quit: cya] 18:34:28 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:36:59 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:37:14 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 18:39:52 http://pastebin.com/i4iZ1Y3g 18:40:07 this is what i've got so far for my light blending branch 18:40:15 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:40:21 is there anything there that looks odd? 18:40:37 i'm not entirely happy with the #defines for colours, but i'm not sure of a better way of doing it 18:43:59 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:45:06 -!- jakub_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:45:48 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 18:45:57 Bodrick: can't packed_cell::operator== just use: if (lighting != other.lighting) return false; instead of the for loop? i don't know for sure here, but i'd imagine that fixedvector has a reasonable implementation of == 18:49:20 and lines 180-188 of the diff i think you should be able to write as a for loop over a struct with 5 elements: how much to add to xs in arg 1, how much to add to xs in arg 2, how much to add to ys in arg 3, how much to add to ys in arg 4, and then a colour name 18:51:11 (thus avoiding all the repetition of m_buf_lighting.add and _to_vcolour(cell.lighting...) 18:51:21 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:52:41 hm yeah, that's probably better 18:54:49 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03:31 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:06:51 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:11:04 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:14:26 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:14:33 <|amethyst> Did we nerf apportation recently? 19:14:39 <|amethyst> other than the Orb 19:16:47 amalloy: looks like you can't use lighting != other.lighting, seems like FixedVector doesn't have a != operator defined 19:17:04 lame 19:19:05 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:19:43 I want to say that something changed wrt item weight that affected apport, but I can't remember what 19:20:29 <|amethyst> %git 1ea5aace 19:20:29 07wheals02 {gammafunk} * 0.15-a0-1057-g1ea5aac: Make apportation not depend on item mass at all. 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 1 file, 2+ 34-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ea5aace8179 19:20:32 <|amethyst> "The distance formula is now just the same as before if the mass were 0." 19:20:42 <|amethyst> isn't that a pure buff? 19:22:27 -!- thomas_ is now known as Guest37842 19:24:08 -!- jefus has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:26:42 not for objects with negative mass 19:27:18 tavern answer: nerfed apportation by removing singularity, so that tloc is now a garbage spell school 19:30:39 03|amethyst02 07[cyc] * 0.17-a0-1772-gc132a06: Increase S* branch length to 7. 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c132a06f83ab 19:30:39 03|amethyst02 07[cyc] * 0.17-a0-1773-ged48617: Increase weight of scroll of blinking. 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ed486176fdd0 19:32:22 -!- DrStalker has quit [] 19:37:21 -!- imaginarythomas has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:38:08 -!- Guest37842 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:38:08 -!- skeletonhat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:39:21 |amethyst: this makes blinking five times as likely as fog/fear? that seems like a big change 19:39:32 oh 19:39:33 cyc 19:39:50 <|amethyst> amalloy: the complaint was that blinking had the same frequency as acquirement 19:40:08 and i imagine it is substantially lower 19:40:11 or rather, higher 19:40:25 <|amethyst> amalloy: since a factor of >2 wasn't enough to be different, might as well try a factor of 10 19:40:28 like...four times as much if i had to guess 19:40:52 oh, just two 19:41:22 <|amethyst> still not sure how to unnerf apportation 19:41:31 <|amethyst> Maybe make apporting the orb work on D:1 19:41:39 |amethyst: just make it work on everything in LOS 19:41:53 or apport monsters' wielded weapons 19:42:13 |amethyst: gammafunk was trying to find your reddit account earlier, because the /r/dcss mod wanted to give you "dev" flair 19:42:20 heh 19:42:30 <|amethyst> neilmoore 19:42:46 yeah, we were confused because your posts seemed to be gone now 19:42:52 but I'll tell cww aka caw 19:42:58 <|amethyst> yeah, I go through and delete my reddit posts every few years 19:43:03 haha 19:43:05 oh, interestinng 19:43:06 probably wise 19:43:11 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 19:43:12 any particular reason? 19:43:46 <|amethyst> in case I need to get a job 19:44:20 pfff..."employment" 19:44:30 who needs it 19:44:39 <|amethyst> though I hear it might be difficult anyway 19:45:22 Why would you get a job? Do you need to maintain a second crawl server??? 19:45:34 <|amethyst> since apparently telling the hiring manager that you don't have a facebook account is a good way to get flagged as paranoid 19:46:19 <|amethyst> and possibly a mass murderer 19:46:22 <_miek> wouldn't have thought there's anything particularly incriminating in your reddit posts 19:46:34 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 19:46:43 <_miek> except maybe declaring that you got a win in during meleebug, perhaps they'll never forgive that 19:47:23 -!- Bodrick has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:47:31 <|amethyst> apparently I got on the wrong side of the /r/math mods for answering questions rather than telling people to go to /r/cheatatmathhomework 19:49:04 @?? juggernaut simulacrum 19:49:04 juggernaut simulacrum (12Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 48-76 | AC/EV: 18/5 | Dam: 9612(cold:20-59) | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(26), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 958 | Sz: Giant | Int: brainless. 19:49:10 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:49:19 03Kevin Donnelly02 {gammafunk} 07* 0.17-a0-1794-g8c7c337: Remove old messages in WebTiles 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8c7c337052e4 19:49:19 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1795-g3b1d94b: Leave at least 15 visible messages when removing old ones in WebTiles 10(62 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3b1d94b46a54 19:49:19 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1796-g4667fa3: Fix player message scrolling in WebTiles 10(61 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4667fa3cf409 19:49:19 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1797-g4297a6b: Removed unused code for designating old player messages in WebTiles 10(29 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4297a6b4eec1 19:49:19 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1798-g879a7aa: Clean up WebTiles message code and document 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/879a7aa1774a 19:49:22 that's not quite as nasty as I thought it'd be 19:49:53 maybe need to add kevin to mailmap 19:50:04 also I'm going to cherry-pick those to 0.16 19:50:05 |amethyst: so you tell them you have no facebook account but do periodically delete your reddit posts? 19:50:10 <_miek> lasty: dam:96 with af_cold and no speed slow down? 19:50:26 God I hope you don't have to have facebook to get hired, since I haven't used facebook in years 19:50:33 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 19:50:36 _miek: they have speed slowdown now 19:50:47 <_miek> ah.. good 19:50:52 Oh I guess monster isn't updated to reflect that 19:51:01 gammafunk: you have to actually delete your account to get credit for not using it 19:51:08 I did :) 19:51:12 gammafunk: good point 19:52:49 caring about facebook profiles is very 2009-zeitgeist. Now they ask you about a pull request on github to an external project you did three years ago 19:53:18 <_miek> maybe I could link to my two patches on dcss :P 19:53:25 <|amethyst> hmm 19:53:27 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 19:53:30 chequers: more like 2012 or 2013 19:54:03 (is when i last remember hearing a horror story about facebook / interviews) 19:54:03 I miss when they asked logic puzzles 19:54:07 because I love logic puzzles 19:54:27 Lasty: they kept regretting hiring guys like you 19:54:33 Don't they still do that? 19:54:44 I'm sure many places still do 19:54:51 <_miek> I've always just asked real simple programming questions 19:55:02 amalloy: yep 19:55:10 <_miek> it weeds out the 90% of crap applications and everyone else is pretty much good enough 19:55:18 gammafunk: once Google stopped doing it, lots of others did too 19:55:26 where I work we stopped when Google did 19:55:30 -!- Bodrick has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:34 _miek: that's what we do now 19:55:38 I guess they just give you a coding test? 19:55:42 yeah 19:55:51 you'd be amazed how many people that weeds out 19:56:01 would probably weed me out 19:56:09 fizzbuzz is too hard, according to the web 19:56:12 speaking of which, if anyone wants a job with a major web tech company in the Boston area . . . 19:56:39 amalloy: srsly? It's just a test of whether you know how to use the modulo operator 19:56:40 "You don't have a proper emacs setup for me?! I refuse to do this! No vim is not an acceptable substitute, because...." 19:57:02 gammafunk: I'd make you whiteboard it if it was in-person, or you could use whatever if it was a phone interview 19:57:02 <_miek> Lasty: What's the pay like? 19:57:19 <|amethyst> Lasty: and whether you can read specifications closely enough to not use if...else if...else if 19:57:34 <_miek> my simple question was just something along the lines of "swap two variables but do it using pointers" 19:57:45 <_miek> or something semi-tricky but not-really about stack vs. heap memory 19:57:48 <|amethyst> _miek: std::swap(*a, *b) 19:57:59 _miek: I think it's gotten better since I started as a level 1 five years ago; back then I started at 65k. Now I make closer to 100k. 19:58:08 You really don't want to interview |amethyst at all, he'll just expose your ignorance 19:58:08 They also give stock. 19:58:29 <_miek> interesting, but that's not so different to what I'm currently on and I expect Boston is more expensive to live 19:58:34 Probably so 19:58:39 Lasty: https://css-tricks.com/tales-of-a-non-unicorn-a-story-about-the-trouble-with-job-titles-and-descriptions/ is the story i remember 19:58:59 We aren't the highest salaried place, but it's a good working environment and I expect the stock will be worth a fair amount. 19:59:02 <|amethyst> _miek: I guess probably my answer would fail, because if I'm going to be smart-ass I should use std::iter_swap(a, b) instead :P 19:59:04 <_miek> |amethyst: full points for showing how the question is dumb, but 0 for the spirit of it :P 19:59:45 <_miek> I have pretty little web experience anyway so I probably wouldn't get the job 19:59:52 and -5 for not using xor so you and i can chortle about how clever we are, |amethyst 20:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:00:26 <|amethyst> amalloy: everyone should optimize for 6502s with 4 bytes of memory 20:00:34 _miek: we're full stack, so if you have any interest, there's almost certainly a role for you 20:00:38 and we're hiring like craaazy 20:01:02 <_miek> Lasty: Well I live in NZ so I expect a work visa would make things difficult 20:01:06 haha 20:01:07 it might 20:01:22 If you wanted to move to Boston, I'd certainly do what I could... :D 20:01:22 <_miek> but I am interested, I'm quite keen on the idea of giving some overseas work a try 20:01:30 But that said I can't see why you'd want to leave NZ 20:01:53 _miek: come to sydney 20:01:56 maybe he wants to buy cold medicine in summer :P 20:02:06 <_miek> chequers: got a job for me? :P 20:02:27 wanna be in a cool startup? 20:02:35 <_miek> chequers: if I moved to sydney none of the girls would be impressed with my exotic accent 20:03:42 amalloy: ah yeah, I see what they're saying. FizzBuzz isn't necessarily a good test for every position. 20:03:59 <|amethyst> hm... you'd think there'd be a picture somewhere of Spiderman swinging from a nuclear reactor's cooling tower 20:04:05 I've never used it myself 20:04:11 |amethyst: lol 20:04:46 I hadn't considered it carefully, but I guess I had thought that 20:05:00 _miek: true you'd just be another kiwi bludger 20:08:50 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:03 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 20:11:46 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11:55 I can't work for lasty because then tavern moderation is clearly just a Gestapo like they've been saying 20:13:49 we owe it to damiac to prove him right 20:15:06 -!- Shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:15:09 also, come work for me so that someone at work plays crawl 20:15:18 I've been very unsuccessful in getting my coworkers into it 20:15:24 <_miek> haha I haven't even tried 20:15:32 <_miek> talked to some friends though and they're all like "meh" 20:15:35 haha, brutal design feedback, I guess 20:15:41 <_miek> except for one who played a fair bit of dsck 20:15:46 it's just as well. If my coworkers played crawl, they might realize what a tavern dictator I am 20:16:00 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 20:16:51 <_miek> Maybe I should touch up my resume and send you a copy 20:16:58 Ah, but with great fear comes respect! 20:17:04 <_miek> doesn't hurt to see options out there even if nothing comes from it 20:17:21 The CEO begins to see you as future executive material 20:17:57 _miek: yeah man! Here's our "careers" page, if you wanna skim it over: http://www.wayfair.com/careers#dept=engineering 20:18:25 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 20:18:38 <|amethyst> ☑ Wields power arbitrarily ☐ Eats babies 20:18:42 i,i crawl.develz.org/careers 20:18:52 we do have a baby surplus 20:20:01 I would have no qualms about eating orb gaurdians if they had the old fetus tile, and if they left corpses 20:20:14 *guardians 20:20:30 just got to live in boston :( 20:20:40 yeah 20:20:48 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 20:20:49 The build was fixed. (cyc - ed48617 #3146 : Neil Moore): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/79570642 20:20:49 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 20:20:51 ... we had an australian branch until just recently 20:20:52 you can visit bh! 20:21:13 The former australian branch might be hiring... 20:21:17 but I don't know the details 20:21:30 He has lunch with lots of interesting people like pender (I think that's his name, the brogue dev) 20:23:32 yeah, they have a meetup over in Cambridge apparently 20:23:39 it's a bit of a shlep from where I am 20:25:31 i can meet up with linley! 20:25:56 have you? 20:26:41 <_miek> can you actually? 20:32:01 &watch fizzbuzz 20:32:01 No current CBZZ game for fizzbuzz. 20:32:02 %watch fizzbuzz 20:32:02 Watch fizzbuzz at: https://crawl.s-z.org/#watch-fizzbuzz 20:32:59 actually CBZZ would be most appropriate 20:38:42 !lg fizzbuzz 20:38:43 No games for fizzbuzz. 20:41:00 I should handle the killer bee case I just realized 20:42:08 03Kevin Donnelly02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-4-ge12cb6c: Remove old messages in WebTiles 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 10+ 23-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e12cb6cf5e34 20:42:08 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-5-g4e3a659: Leave at least 15 visible messages when removing old ones in WebTiles 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4e3a6598b69f 20:42:08 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-6-g41e3813: Fix player message scrolling in WebTiles 10(2 hours ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/41e38137f97f 20:42:08 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-7-g5bfe74d: Removed unused code for designating old player messages in WebTiles 10(82 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/5bfe74d75452 20:42:08 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-8-gb5452ca: Clean up WebTiles message code and document 10(63 minutes ago, 1 file, 13+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b5452cab3fdf 20:43:08 actually that "leave at least 15 visible messages" title is misleading, it should be "allow up to 15 visible messages", I guess 20:45:21 gammafunk: s/least/most/ ? 20:46:10 Yes, that's accurate, but a bit confusing as to what I was changing 20:46:22 since before it left at most 10 20:47:15 The concern being that players might have browsers that could display more than 10 in that small area, and we'd be blanking them unecessarilly 20:52:40 So, I'm about to update the download/play page based on chequers' addition for android users 20:53:35 Any opinions on whether offering the android webtiles front-end app on the download page is unecessary? We could make it only linked to on the play page 20:53:58 I actually agree with you now, it's confusing to have two apps on the download page 20:54:00 But we don't have a 0.16.2 build for the Tiles android app and the Tiles app is still fairlybuggy 20:54:15 although I'm not super sure just how buggy and for what platforms 20:54:32 maybe we should just add a note to the android row saying "look, all these builds are a bit shit, sorry" 20:54:43 +"you could help!" 20:55:13 Yeah, a note linking to a little paragraph at the bottom, next to the link to the tiles application? 20:55:26 (with more appropriate wording than "shit", of course) 20:55:28 -!- captainkraft has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:55:43 I'd also like if we could get a link to the trunk nightlies, I think a lot of people are missing that 20:56:01 Not sure where the best place is; they only exist for windows 20:56:14 yeah, probably as a link in the windows row 20:56:37 let me work on this, but I'm personally happy for you to release the current commits as a stopgap (mostly for the frontpage rendering fix, much shame) 20:56:38 oh but there are tiles nightlies offsite as well 20:57:09 Yeah, hrm...ok maybe I'll let you do all the modification and I'll clean this up minimally 20:57:55 !seen elliptic 20:57:55 I last saw elliptic at Wed Sep 9 23:50:33 2015 UTC (1h 7m 22s ago) joining the channel. 20:58:07 only thing I'm doing it s/Tiles/WebTiles/ for the frontend and adding back the 0.16.1 version number for the Tiles build link 20:58:35 oh yeah, I want to bring the repo into line with reality 20:58:41 so firstly the prod site uses .htm, right? 20:58:44 yeah 20:58:58 hrm, maybe you're right to use "Online" instead of "WebTiles" but 20:59:10 we do use the Tiles word consistently, and we do need to differentiate 20:59:24 so maybe I'll just go with WebTiles for lack of a better term 20:59:44 Online Tiles is ok as well I suppose, but it's not really more clear 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:26 my rationales for the naming is: 1) the most important distinction is online/offline 2) most people assume default = offline 3) the second most important distinction is tiles/console 4) most people assume default = tiles 21:01:29 so I guess I support making console and online special case 21:03:22 Well we use the word webtiles a lot; it's what players see when they go to the game, and I don't think the word is confusing. "Web" implies online, after all 21:03:55 Let's go with "Online WebTiles" just so people can report what they're using to us and we're more likely to understand what they're using 21:04:38 clearly need a brand-guidelines.pdf 21:05:14 it's what happens when you have "developers" running the website, they keep bikeshedding things like this 21:06:11 developers, ugh 21:08:00 I'm actually not sure what things are like on iPad 21:08:10 maybe it's the same situation, that there'd have to be a front-end made 21:08:16 Online Internet Server Long-Distance WebTiles 21:08:22 just to be clear 21:08:58 Dgl-based Crawl Server System 21:09:40 -!- Ragnor has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:09:57 that might be confusing to users who are used to playing on a BBS, wheals 21:10:34 uhoh, mikee_ will be very annoyed 21:11:15 are these builds 32-bit? http://crawl.develz.org/trunk/ 21:12:24 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12:38 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:13:23 yes 21:13:46 and we're just going to have 32-builds starting 0.17 for windows 21:14:05 I'm not even sure what the os x builds are, the ones geekosaur makes 21:14:17 Does that make both? 21:14:28 For the debs, we'll have both archs 21:14:45 since we're 10.7 and up, 64 bit only 21:14:47 We'll have the windows zips and the windows installer, both 32-bits 21:14:51 ah, yeah 21:14:55 should have thought of that 21:15:46 good 21:15:52 nice work, whoever fixed that 21:16:05 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 21:19:15 -!- ChongLi_ is now known as ChongLi 21:21:11 gammafunk: have we set any dates on 0.17 / tourney yet? 21:21:13 chequers: pushed, should I update now or do you have other stuff almost ready 21:21:50 chequers: also I noticed what's probably an error in your bootstrap: you have alert-dismissible in dcss.js but I believe it's alert-dismissable 21:22:18 oh, no it isn't 21:22:24 must be a differen...this is weird 21:22:26 push now, i dont know how long i'll be 21:22:59 this silly tutorial is wrong, it seems 21:24:25 -!- st_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:24:37 but alright, updated 21:24:42 er s/but // 21:24:49 Lasty: We haven't, this in part depends on elliptic 21:24:56 -!- fiddlerw1aroof has quit [Client Quit] 21:25:12 I guess also if there's anything left that we'd really like to fix/do 21:25:22 I've updated the plan pretty thoroughly 21:25:51 gammafunk: IMO someone else should take over tourney stuff sometime :P I'm pretty busy at the moment and probably won't feel very motivated to do anything interesting with the tourney scripts myself 21:25:54 -!- fiddlerw1aroof has quit [Client Quit] 21:26:33 Yeah 21:26:49 I guess I can run them, but I'm not sure I can do anything interesting with them 21:27:56 Lasty: Do you have any banner ideas? 21:28:37 Re: schedule, as far as I'm concerned, I can probably get the scripts running or help someone else do so whenever people decide they want to have a tourney as long as I have a week's warning or so 21:28:50 -!- fiddlerw1aroof has quit [Client Quit] 21:29:50 is there a vague release window btw? 21:30:05 for the tourney, I'm planning to rework the tourney html UI so it's the same as frontpage 21:30:22 elliptic: thanks, we'll give you at least a week, and maybe we can come up with some banner changes ourselves 21:32:00 I keep forgetting what the goal was in terms of staging the release/tourney within the year; We wanted to make releases a bit sooner after 0.16 took so long, I think? 21:32:03 i think I need to totally rework donwload.htm... doesn't scale 21:32:19 But I think the fallback is always "when it's ready" 21:32:57 ofc 21:33:07 <_miek> I'd be totally happy if you guys waited until after this month has ended 21:33:10 !kw t0.16 21:33:10 Built-in: t0.16 => start>='2015-03-13 20:00:00' time<'2015-03-29 20:00:00' ((cv=0.16|0.16-a)) explbr= 21:33:12 !kw t0.15 21:33:12 Built-in: t0.15 => start>='2014-08-29 20:00:00' time<'2014-09-14 20:00:00' cv=0.15 explbr= 21:33:14 !kw t0.14 21:33:14 Built-in: t0.14 => start>='2014-04-11 20:00:00' time<'2014-04-27 20:00:00' cv=0.14 explbr= 21:34:11 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 21:35:14 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:35:18 Oh, well *of course* we have to make _miek happy! And Steve! And Sally! And zermako! 21:35:37 i also need to be notified at least a month in advance 21:35:41 im not in shape to defend my title atm 21:36:05 Can you make a montage video of your training regimen, DrKe? 21:36:06 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:36:42 i will use songs from the rocky IV soundtrack 21:36:56 Also I guess we need to commit another epic bug and fix it mid-tourney for you to technically be defending the title 21:37:02 i mean i guess i'm ivan drago 21:37:09 well yes 21:37:16 i can never lose the king of double damage title 21:37:22 unless that happens again 21:38:01 maybe this time it could be quad damage 21:38:12 <_miek> maybe I should've left in the freeze bug 21:39:07 gammafunk: sorry, no new banner ideas yet. I'll have to consider it. 21:39:21 that freezing thing is pretty amazing 21:39:26 i never knew about that targeter at all honestly 21:39:29 never used it 21:40:07 i mean admittedly IE needs the help, being such a weak background 21:40:08 gammafunk: were there any banners we specifically disliked enough to retire? 21:40:19 i only nearned about ! pretty recently. shame i didn't get to use it for freeze 21:40:27 <_miek> well you still can 21:40:34 <_miek> just don't play in trunk 21:40:37 i think that angel of justice should probably incorporate the serpent of hell 21:40:46 now that it's a legit enemy 21:40:56 -!- fiddlerw1aroof has quit [Client Quit] 21:41:14 what is the freeze bug? 21:41:19 ??epic bugs[-1] 21:41:19 epic bugs[27/27]: From 0.5 to 0.16 freeze and vampiric draining had smite targeting if you used ! or @. 21:41:37 Yeah, and it always spawns 21:41:52 I see... was it really present in 0.5? 21:41:56 there were some great splats in the 0.16 tourney with it 21:42:29 man, that's a pretty extreme bug, amazing no one found it 21:42:50 for so long, at least 21:43:19 I can sort of believe it given that the easiest way to target freeze is via capital letter 21:43:56 <_miek> was the ! targetting available in 0.5? 21:43:57 still surprised that I never found that though given that I use ! a lot legitimately and found quite a few bugs with ! 21:44:01 yes 21:44:19 elliptic: did that c_persist bug affect anything of yours? 21:44:30 ! 21:44:31 qw-related, I guess (or otherwise) 21:44:42 gammafunk: no, good job finding it though :P 21:44:43 wow that bug 21:44:58 it reminds me of every weapon being reaching for a short time <_< 21:45:05 @! 21:45:06 I haven't really used c_persist seriously aside from the skill training thing 21:45:22 sooner or later I am going to have gw take advantage of c_persist 21:45:25 Yeah, I've used it in a few things now, so it was driving me nuts 21:46:19 and I guess it made some of qw's code nicer, but I already was saving state in qw using the old annoying system for that so that wasn't so exciting 21:46:47 but I'm pretty sure I never saved any bools, or else I would have found the bug myself :P 21:59:49 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:41 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:01:20 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 22:06:56 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 22:09:36 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16.2-8-gb5452ca 22:15:52 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 22:21:23 03smitnich02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-9-g7712aef: Fix Deep Dwarf exploit using Flayed Ghosts 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 7+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/7712aefca672 22:21:23 03miek02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-10-g448351f: Modified the do_cast method to check that the targetted monster for freeze/vampiric draining is adjacent to the character. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/448351fc6ab9 22:21:23 03wheals02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-11-g2b5c3a3: Minor formatting fixes. 10(2 days ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b5c3a37e2c2 22:21:23 03|amethyst02 {gammafunk} 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3: Another minor formatting fix. 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d0ad4c364488 22:22:02 ??rebuild 22:22:02 rebuild[1/2]: https://dobrazupa.org/rebuild/ http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rebuild/ http://underhound.eu:81/rebuild/ http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/rebuild/ http://crawl.xtahua.com/rebuild/ Bug Grunt, |amethyst, or Nap Kin for CDO. Use your powers wisely. 22:22:35 will you cheery-pick the js speedup too? 22:22:51 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.16.2-12-gd0ad4c3 22:23:09 It's already done 22:23:15 if you mean 0.16 22:27:27 ??glyph 22:27:27 glyph ~ glyphs[1/2]: http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs-narrow.html — Generated with the script http://s-z.org/neil/tmp/crawl-glyphs 22:29:27 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:33:22 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:33:46 -!- meatpath has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36:51 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:37:33 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:38:44 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:39:11 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 22:40:07 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:41:44 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 22:41:53 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 22:46:27 -!- Guest99423 is now known as fazisi 22:47:23 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 22:50:09 -!- thomas__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:50:09 -!- skeletonhat has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:50:09 -!- imaginarythomas has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:54:31 -!- simmarine has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:54:32 -!- simmarine_ has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:11 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:59:09 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:07:54 ah ok 23:08:12 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:08:30 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11:35 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 23:11:41 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:12:59 -!- Lasty has quit [Client Quit] 23:13:10 chequers: you don't seem to be updatig 0.16 anyhow 23:13:12 I see 0.16.1 23:13:25 s/updatig/updating/ 23:13:50 %git 23:13:51 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-1798-g879a7aa: Clean up WebTiles message code and document 10(4 hours ago, 1 file, 13+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/879a7aa1774a 23:13:58 trunk is updating fine though 23:14:27 chequers: you should probably have 0.16 rebuild+force update like you do trunk 23:14:34 otherwise you'll often be out of date 23:14:41 and s/0.16/stable/ I guess 23:15:41 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:17:44 -!- twelwe has joined ##crawl-dev 23:18:30 any good chat vibes here? 23:19:19 There was talk about maybe buffing artefacts, making them allow various special grips 23:26:22 <|amethyst> Bring back Eringya's Surprising Bouquet, but turn the affected item into a ranged weapon 23:26:27 <|amethyst> because now it has a pistil grip 23:28:49 -!- a6 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:33:52 yep 23:34:09 gammafunk: i should, but my setup is insufficient and i'm lazy 23:34:12 i'll rebuild by hand 23:38:15 hell yeh 23:39:27 Handrafted, artisinal builds, the machine code lovingly assembled using the finest ingredients by expert compilation masters... 23:39:41 s/Handrafted/Handcrafted/ 23:41:13 barrel aged 23:47:11 -!- argent0 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:47:53 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:58:49 Unstable branch on CRAWL.XTAHUA.COM updated to: 0.17-a0-1798-g879a7aa (34) 23:58:55 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed]