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(Zot:4) 00:40:01 -!- jspengler has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:43:26 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 00:46:09 <|amethyst> nice flayed nurse 00:48:15 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:48:53 flayed nurse? 00:49:05 <|amethyst> !bug 9946 00:49:05 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9946 00:49:20 <|amethyst> "nurse" in the Nethack sense 00:51:06 huh 00:57:48 -!- rchandra has joined ##crawl-dev 01:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:03:46 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1778-gd369669 (34) 01:09:32 -!- Guest83507 is now known as fazisi 01:10:02 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 01:14:17 heh, good bug 01:18:29 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:27:49 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:35:30 -!- omnirizon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:37:23 which, the flayed ghost one? 01:39:39 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:07 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:44:20 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:46:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:46:52 is it reasonable to be bothered by the function name zlib.compressobj "Returns a compression object..." 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13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d912b4619774 08:10:54 03miek02 {wheals} 07* 0.17-a0-1780-g579a2d0: Modified the do_cast method to check that the targetted monster for freeze/vampiric draining is adjacent to the character. 10(13 hours ago, 1 file, 6+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/579a2d042624 08:10:54 03wheals02 07* 0.17-a0-1781-g2b30068: Minor formatting fixes. 10(42 seconds ago, 2 files, 4+ 4-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2b30068023d0 08:21:42 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:36:24 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:38:02 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 08:39:50 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:40:06 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:40:46 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:46:11 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 08:47:12 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:48:23 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:52:47 -!- FIQ has quit [Excess 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09:31:51 juggernaut simulacrum (12Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 48-76 | AC/EV: 18/5 | Dam: 11612(cold:20-59) | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(26), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 958 | Sz: Giant | Int: brainless. 09:31:51 Lasty_: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 09:32:45 For anyone around: it looks like all derived undead take base damage -4, which means that early game undead are garbage and high level ones are only slightly less effective. How would you feel about making the penalty -20% instead? 09:32:58 @??adder 09:32:58 adder (09S) | Spd: 13 (swim: 60%) | HD: 2 | HP: 6-15 | AC/EV: 1/15 | Dam: 508(poison:4-8) | amphibious, cold-blooded | Res: 06magic(10), 12drown | XP: 13 | Sz: little | Int: animal. 09:33:02 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:33:03 @??stone giant 09:33:03 stone giant (15C) | Spd: 10 | HD: 16 | HP: 71-104 | AC/EV: 12/2 | Dam: 45 | 10items, 10doors | Res: 06magic(80), 12drown | XP: 1422 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 09:33:16 @??adder zombie 09:33:16 adder zombie (07Z) | Spd: 11 | HD: 2 | HP: 12-22 | AC/EV: 0/10 | Dam: 4 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(2), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 5 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 09:33:23 @?? stone giant zomie 09:33:24 unknown monster: "stone giant zomie" 09:33:27 @?? stone giant zombie 09:33:28 stone giant zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 16 | HP: 120-156 | AC/EV: 10/0 | Dam: 41 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(21), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 553 | Sz: Giant | Int: brainless. 09:33:37 ah, hmm, it already has some scaling at the low end 09:33:52 @?? goblin zombie 09:33:52 goblin zombie (07Z) | Spd: 8 | HD: 1 | HP: 6-11 | AC/EV: 0/7 | Dam: 3 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(1), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 09:33:56 @?? goblin 09:33:56 goblin (15g) | Spd: 10 | HD: 1 | HP: 2-6 | AC/EV: 0/12 | Dam: 4 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors | XP: 1 | Sz: small | Int: human. 09:34:00 @?? bat zombie 09:34:00 bat zombie (07Z) | Spd: 28 | HD: 1 | HP: 6-11 | AC/EV: 0/9 | Dam: 1 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(1), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 2 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 09:34:17 @?? giant cockroach 09:34:17 giant cockroach (07s) | Spd: 12 | HD: 1 | HP: 3-7 | AC/EV: 3/10 | Dam: 2 | Vul: 09poison | XP: 1 | Sz: little | Int: brainless. 09:36:15 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 09:43:20 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47:06 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:51:09 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:51:38 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1783-gbed8899: Prevent some species-specific useless items being trove tolls 10(5 weeks ago, 1 file, 51+ 33-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/bed88990e7d8 09:53:34 are maces a good enough subsitute for yiuf's vault? since imo it's sort of unnecessary for hammers to exist literally just for that joke 09:54:29 boo! :) 09:55:15 clearly a use case for vault-defined items!! 09:55:49 good point 09:56:29 Lasty_: for what little my opinion counts for, I think a percentage modifier makes sense. 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:02:46 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:05:40 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:19:23 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 10:23:56 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:28:25 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 10:30:47 <|amethyst> simplest way that doesn't involve new code for mundane item renames 10:31:40 <|amethyst> define a series of unrand clubs, TYPE: hammer, flagged nogen 10:32:36 <|amethyst> my suggestion would be NAME: Leibniz NAME: Kant NAME: Hegel NAME: Schopenhauer NAME: Nietzsche NAME: Heidegger 10:33:46 If only club-stabbing still confused monsters 10:34:10 I'd be delighted to confuse an ogre by hitting it with the +0 hammer "Wittgenstein" 10:34:28 <|amethyst> ooh, forgot Wittgenstein, and he's my second-favourite after Kant 10:35:36 <|amethyst> ¬ - The +0 hammer "Frege" {negation} 10:35:48 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:35:59 Never read any Frege 10:36:33 <|amethyst> more a logician than a "philosopher" in the German sense, really 10:36:39 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 10:37:33 The ogre screams, "what's a monad?" The ogre hits itself with a giant club!! The ogre dies. 10:37:40 LOL 10:37:46 Lasty_+++ 10:37:48 <|amethyst> it was in the formalism of Frege's Begriffschrift that Russell expressed his paradox 10:38:04 <|amethyst> that led to the Principa, axiomatic set theory, etc etc 10:38:11 <|amethyst> s/pa/pia/ 10:38:39 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43:05 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1784-g77d4bee: Remove hammers 10(6 weeks ago, 33 files, 14+ 51-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/77d4bee5c5bb 10:43:05 03MarvinPA02 07* 0.17-a0-1785-g42870f9: Give Demonic Guardians Fedhas-style protection from player ranged attacks 10(4 weeks ago, 6 files, 52+ 43-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/42870f950378 10:43:10 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:43:11 -!- MgDark_ is now known as MgDark 10:43:18 -!- Yogidabear has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:43:37 I was a philosophy major, but I never much cared for the German philosophers I read. I generally felt that most of them (Leibniz, Wittgenstein esp.) were starting from bad axioms and then building up strange, obscure castles of logic whose problematic foundations were glossed over thanks to the obscurity of the writing style. 10:43:43 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:43:49 but I never read them in the original German, and maybe they're less obscure there. 10:44:37 but then I also mostly think epistemology is a pointless exercise 10:44:46 er, ontology, not epistemologyu 10:44:55 s/u// 10:50:10 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 10:53:47 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:56:26 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 11:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:00:10 MarvinPA: that Fedhas/Demonic Guardian commit is so good. Huge playability improvements to a race and a god all at once. 11:01:34 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:02:16 MarvinPA: we should probably stop asking players w/ sac artifice for wands in troves too... 11:02:43 since it encourages picking up every wand to ID it and then drop it 11:03:35 oh hmm yeah, that's awkward 11:04:08 -!- ystael_ is now known as ystael 11:07:54 -!- radinms has quit [] 11:14:09 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 11:18:44 -!- siepu_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:21:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:29:36 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 11:30:15 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 11:32:34 -!- MarvinPA_ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:34:21 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 11:39:09 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:40:00 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:40:59 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 11:43:21 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:17 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:12 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:54:30 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:54:54 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 11:55:27 -!- MgDark has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:56:21 -!- WereVolvo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:03 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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(p = (0,0)) (Shoals:5) 12:51:48 -!- elliptic has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:57:06 -!- clouded_ is now known as st_ 12:58:30 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 12:59:21 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07:20 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:07:29 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 13:07:49 -!- CKyle has quit [Client Quit] 13:09:12 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 13:09:57 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:14:42 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 13:21:15 -!- Genodice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:22:32 -!- Piginabag has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:22:33 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:26:39 <|amethyst> that crash is because _do_imprison doesn't handle the case where get_push_space returns false 13:27:16 <|amethyst> of course, I'm not sure what we should do in that case 13:27:23 crush everything 13:27:33 <|amethyst> don't know why it couldn't move the items into the spot being entombed 13:27:48 <|amethyst> oh, no solid floor probably 13:28:07 is there any particular reason stuff has to be moved 13:28:32 <|amethyst> kvaak: because items embedded in walls look bad and are likely to cause crashes 13:29:10 <|amethyst> and making Zin do item destruction if you're not careful doesn't sound fun 13:29:25 can't you just temporarily hide them or something 13:30:00 <|amethyst> you could, but that's likely to make other things bug out 13:30:04 <|amethyst> stash search for example 13:30:13 can't they move to the center of the prison? 13:30:34 apparently not if said center is blue lava 13:30:36 <|amethyst> wheals: usually, but the center of the prison might be deep water 13:30:50 <|amethyst> or actual kool-aid^W^Wlava 13:33:05 <|amethyst> I guess it would be reasonable to have it fall back to putting the item in the middle and destroying it, since you're already dealing with item-destroying features 13:33:11 <|amethyst> I dunno 13:33:15 move 'em to 0,0 until the tomb disappears? 13:34:32 <|amethyst> could do it with a marker probably, but it would take some work to make sure changing levels neither loses the item nor reports it as unlinked 13:34:57 just create a shop somewhere on the level and put all the items into it 13:35:11 thus facilitating code reuse 13:35:21 <|amethyst> even better: 13:35:31 "why does magic mapping show a shop surrounded by all sides by permarock?!" 13:35:36 <|amethyst> create the Shadow Mimic monster, and put the items in its inventory 13:35:50 <|amethyst> double the code reuse! 13:36:31 <|amethyst> FR: crash when a ball lightning kills your shadow mimic 13:37:11 good FR 13:37:24 <|amethyst> FR: shadow raiju 13:38:31 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:38:46 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 13:41:00 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:42:50 -!- syllogism has joined ##crawl-dev 13:43:36 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 13:47:47 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:52:46 -!- xtwv has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:56:52 -!- orbekk has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:06 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:03:08 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:03:20 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 14:08:05 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 14:09:54 -!- BOTBrad__ has joined ##crawl-dev 14:10:54 -!- BOTBrad_ has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:13:27 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:14:31 %git :/Inherit energy modifiers 14:14:31 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-1754-gcb87171: Inherit energy modifiers in derived undead (Lasty). 10(6 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cb87171553a7 14:15:18 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 14:19:38 -!- bel_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:21:46 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:26:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:35:22 -!- captainkraft_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:53:26 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 14:54:47 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:03:43 -!- swartzcr has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:04:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:07:02 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:07:07 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:07:09 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 15:07:24 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 15:14:18 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 15:24:24 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:26:10 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:29:16 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:32:39 -!- the_glow has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:36:37 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:38:53 -!- vale__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:40:14 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:41:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:42:22 -!- wheals_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:43:32 -!- wheals__ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:45:57 -!- wheals has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:47:06 -!- wheals_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:47:22 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 15:49:26 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 15:51:50 -!- wheals__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:52:44 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 15:54:21 -!- captainkraft_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:54:51 -!- falu has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.3] 15:56:00 -!- imaginarythomas has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:56:05 -!- thomas__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:56:11 -!- skeletonhat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:57:36 -!- wh1te has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:00:04 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 16:05:18 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:11:49 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1786-g1ee0550: Fix compilation. 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/1ee0550b331a 16:11:49 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1787-g4aeb8be: Show correct hex chance vs low-MR creatures (gerbias) 10(6 minutes ago, 2 files, 7+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/4aeb8be67ac2 16:14:04 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:14:17 ... did anyone ever fix purple draconians showing inaccurate hex chances? 16:15:19 <|amethyst> I didn't know that was a thing 16:15:31 <|amethyst> I assume there's something about them that isn't visible to the monster-info? 16:15:45 <|amethyst> oh, or some kind of classed vs unclassed thing 16:15:50 I vaguely remember it coming up a while back, and ran into it again in a recent game. I should have fixed it then, but I forgot. 16:15:55 Yeah, probably so 16:18:06 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:20:17 FR for alchemist hat: wearing it decreases its enchantment over time, if it reaches -8 or so, it disappears. Taking it off makes it disappear right away. (The item is preidentified when wearing for the first time, with prompt.) 16:21:24 lol ouch 16:21:30 dpeg: unrands are preidenitified anyway 16:21:39 dpeg: just to be mean? 16:22:26 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:30 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23:54 <|amethyst> dpeg: IMO make the last part (taking it off makes it disappear) Ash's replacement for curses 16:38:02 -!- serq has quit [Changing host] 16:41:49 huh, was working, didn't read :) 16:42:20 Lasty_: no, what are you thinking of me. To make it a meaningful decision when to equip the hat. In other word, make the hat a fancy, longer lasting consumable. 16:42:52 dpeg: ah, I see 16:43:04 over time or over xp gain? :P 16:43:13 I felt like the hat was already kinda bad most of the time 16:43:16 with negative effects, time suffices 16:43:28 Lasty_: this is hotly disputed on message boards all over the world! 16:43:40 n1k: with negative effects, time suffices 16:43:48 (and actually encourages better gameplay) 16:43:54 dpeg: yup! :D 16:43:58 ah good 16:44:07 dpeg: but to me, that's a good balance point 16:44:19 bring back the crown of eternal torment! 16:44:27 !banish wheals 16:44:28 Lasty_ miscasts Banishment. Lasty_ is cast into 4chan! 16:44:28 the hp bonus goes from +10% -> -100% 16:44:34 noooooo 16:44:37 rip Lasty_ 16:44:50 n1k: players have to hurry to get most out of the timed stuff, with xp they're encouraged to cheese out of fights to restrict the timed item only for the big one (less fun and less interesting, imo) 16:45:19 dpee 16:45:23 err that wasn't tab 16:45:25 Lasty_: I am a bad player, so I was leaning towards "Hat is OP"... hence my suggestion :) 16:45:32 * dpeg pees for a bit 16:45:51 dpeg: yeah, good insight. I hadn't thought about the asymmetry there but I like it 16:46:26 also typing "dpe[tab]" is not very efficient 16:46:35 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:46:42 you get the : though! 16:48:59 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 16:55:27 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:55:37 -!- endou has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:37 -!- zauren has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:55:44 -!- zauren_ is now known as zauren 16:55:56 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:56:39 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 16:56:50 let's give anyone who's ever gotten a commit into crawl a permanent cosmetic item 16:57:12 like a pimple on your character's face 16:57:21 the more commits you make, the more pimples you have 16:57:25 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:57:39 <|amethyst> the amulet of suppression "Wensley" 16:57:46 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:57:46 -!- wat has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:57:48 brilliant 16:58:06 wait didn't we actually do this at some point? like, name random demons off of a markov chain generated from people in ##crawl? 16:58:07 <|amethyst> (off to work) 16:59:36 -!- captainkraft_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:59:42 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:59:43 |amethyst: +1 to changing ash to not work with curses, and instead just steal all your items 16:59:51 ashenzari the kleptomaniac god 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:29 as much as I like the concept from a story standpoint, I just don't like the concept of curses 17:02:05 Wensley: grinder? 17:04:20 wheals: I'm not sure which context you intended there so I'm going to assume you mean this red alert 2 track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJvPyH8WnMw 17:04:51 i mean, i think grinder named after a ##crawl troll 17:04:55 *was named 17:05:33 I haven't heard of that, it seems like too good of a treatment to give a troll 17:05:43 yeah, seriously 17:05:49 you'd have to name a bad unique after a troll 17:06:24 -!- orbisvicis has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:06:33 maybe you're thinking of the demons whose names were generated by a cat stepping on a keyboard 17:07:17 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:25 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:10:34 -!- AlphaQ_ is now known as AlphaQ 17:13:54 -!- Nightbeer has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:14:05 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14:58 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:15:09 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 17:15:29 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 17:16:57 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:17:30 -!- jefus is now known as jefus_ 17:19:09 -!- kroki has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:19:33 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 17:21:01 -!- jakub_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:22:36 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:24:08 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:24:19 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30:42 -!- danharaj has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:32:18 -!- jefus is now known as jefus_ 17:34:58 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 17:35:00 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 17:36:51 -!- siepu__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:37:01 wheals: iirc impgrinder wasn't really a troll, just annoying 17:37:02 elliptic: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 17:37:16 wheals: that was a long time ago though so I could be misremembering 17:37:27 the good old days 17:37:42 back when we visited ##crawl 17:37:54 -!- Gorgo_1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:39:38 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:41:45 <3 17:41:57 nowadays: 100% ##crawl-free development! 17:45:13 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:46:57 /join ##crawl-free 17:47:20 ##crawl-free-dev 17:48:22 wheals: yes, though iirc impgrinder came to -dev too for some reason 17:49:41 I could easily be confusing him with the dozens of other annoying people who have been here... I think the secret to getting a unique named after you is to have a good name for it more than anything else 17:53:12 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:56:37 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:00:47 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:01:12 -!- Banee has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:03:09 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 18:03:28 -!- serq has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:04:01 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 18:07:02 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:07:30 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09:00 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:09:45 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1787-g4aeb8be (34) 18:11:17 I keep wondering if that c_persist thing caused any qw bugs 18:17:12 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 18:17:58 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:24:33 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 18:25:09 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:26:45 -!- wheals has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:27:31 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:29:53 -!- debo has quit [Quit: orb spiders :(] 18:31:11 -!- NilsBloodaxe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:32:00 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:33:42 -!- syllogism has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:12 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:37:52 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 18:39:23 -!- oblong has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:39:34 -!- emikaela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:39:58 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:40:21 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:40:37 -!- st_ has quit [] 18:42:05 -!- remus has quit [Client Quit] 18:42:34 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:46:20 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:50:25 python3 script to update rc files on webtiles servers: http://sprunge.us/OjQB 18:51:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:51:09 I'm not great at the concurrency thing yet, and I probably need to restructure this 18:52:38 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:52:45 also fun facts: user blah with password blah and user test with password test exist on all three of cszo, cao, cbro 18:53:34 I was a little confused at first when my test for invalids logins worked everywhere 18:55:06 gammafunk: just glancing at that python script, it seems to assume a local "master" rc file 18:55:28 where like, i don't want to maintain one of those. if i were to use this, i'd want to say "take my cao trunk rc and put it everywhere" 18:55:50 oh, well I maintain one 18:56:03 You could easilly modify the script to download your rc, sure but 18:56:25 That's kind of more needless complexity imo 18:57:15 I need to restructure it to not use a bunch of global vars, and the behaviour of python's zlib is very worrisome 18:58:21 Might just rewrite it using tornado if it so much as looks at me funny 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:07 gammafunk: lol, were they your test accounts? 19:00:10 yes 19:00:25 literally my first test was with the user "blah", password "blah" 19:00:31 and I was very confused by "login successful" 19:00:36 on not one but three servers 19:00:38 hahaha 19:01:09 n.b. users test and blah now run gammafunk.rc on all three servers 19:01:18 I guess I should reset them 19:02:47 any news on unified login? I haven't been paying much attention to crawl lately so I'm unsure where we are on this (or if it's basically the same as a couple months ago) 19:03:12 no progress to report on that front, sorry to say 19:03:47 ??servers 19:03:47 servers[1/3]: USA: {cao}, {cszo}, {cbro}; EU: {cdo}, {cue}, {cxc}; KR: {cwz}; JP: {lld}; AU: {cpo} 19:03:58 I want to merge that javascript fix this evening after I've digested it and done any cleanup, so your webtiles experience should hopefully be improved soon, at least! 19:04:22 that fixes bluetooth keyboards not working on ios, right? :) 19:04:40 alas... 19:05:01 does webtiles otherwise work with your ios device (I assume it's an ipad)? 19:06:22 it displays ok on ipad and iphone 19:07:02 it's just not "listening" for ios keypresses. not a safari thing. got the same behavior on multiple browsers (I think because they all piggy back on safari) 19:07:34 oh, right, the on screen keyboard would work that way I guess 19:07:36 a buddy set up a test page with a script that could kind of simulate the behavior. can't type until you click a button 19:08:09 on android, someone has made a thing that we're going to begin linking to that sends the keypresses to the browser I think 19:08:28 http://crawl.berotato.org/crawl/dev/test.html 19:09:20 document.addEventListener('keypress', function(e) { 19:09:22 console.log(e); 19:09:24 }); 19:09:41 but I'm too dumb to know how to patch up webtiles to do something similar 19:09:57 I can't remember if I wrote up an issue on it 19:13:18 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:13:33 -!- Banee has quit [] 19:14:43 -!- ManMan_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:17:00 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:22:13 -!- jefus is now known as jefus_ 19:22:24 -!- medice has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:22:36 -!- Kalma has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:22:36 -!- jefus_ is now known as jefus 19:23:48 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:30:08 -!- Vizer has quit [Quit: bye] 19:35:35 -!- Undo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:40:07 -!- bonghitz has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:40:29 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:42:02 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 19:42:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:43:06 -!- Pacra has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:43:17 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 19:49:04 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:58:03 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:59:28 -!- xetax_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:01:00 -!- thomas_ is now known as Guest38984 20:05:12 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:13:05 -!- Ququman has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:18:52 -!- DrStalker has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:19:02 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:33:46 -!- Undo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:39:05 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-1788-ge717f93: Switch STARVING to LIGHTRED to make FAINTING more obvious (rchandra) 10(24 minutes ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e717f93e3c04 20:39:05 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-1789-g08235e3: Mark amulet of faith useless under Ru with max piety (rchandra) 10(9 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/08235e39a8f6 20:40:04 -!- Xenobreeder has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:40:51 -!- Ahrin has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:42:25 still holding out for FAINTING 20:44:38 -!- kroki has quit [Quit: Page closed] 20:44:41 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 20:45:46 -!- tksquared has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:48 -!- Cacophony has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:45:52 -!- fazisi has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:46:17 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 20:46:24 -!- Amy|Sonata has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:47:46 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:47:51 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 20:48:07 -!- neunon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:48:28 -!- Xjs|moonshine has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:49:33 gammafunk: I'm working on it 20:49:41 -!- captainkraft_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49:53 -!- Weretaco has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:49:53 heh 20:49:53 chequers, crawl.develz.org still has thumbnails on the left but crawl.project357.org/static/site/index.html looks fine 20:50:01 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 20:50:04 -!- bonghitz_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:50:59 you could do like caves of qud does for items that have weird special effects and make each letter a different loud color 20:51:00 or should I be pinging gammafunk about that 20:51:24 oh, that's a chequers problem 20:51:29 like all problems! 20:51:46 Firefox-only trouble with the image alignment? 20:51:50 yeah 20:52:01 hmm, why doesn't mi.res_magic() get the correct value for purple draconians? 20:52:03 the 'screenshots' from the various games on the fp 20:52:24 Yeah, I'm going to merge that js webtiles fix and his website updates this evening for sure (for SURE. I just have to buy groceries!) 20:52:36 oh cool 20:53:06 oh yeah, so I guess it'll get fixed when I update the website, since you're saying the test page is fine 20:53:22 -!- omarax has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:53:53 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 20:54:10 great 20:54:12 oh, no, someone already did fix hex targeting on purple dracs 20:54:14 so never mind 20:54:29 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-1790-g72cbd95: Change derived undead damage 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 11-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/72cbd959072d 20:55:26 -!- Utis has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:57:22 Not a bad change...I wonder if there's a way we can document that in-game 20:57:35 Do we mention that damage from derived undead is less? 20:57:42 Maybe in the relevent spell descriptions 20:57:56 what happened to the idea of not having derived undead 20:58:08 and just having like "a skeleton" that's always the same 20:58:08 Er, you mean removing all those spells? 20:58:19 That was for animate skeleton only 20:58:21 because it's L1 20:58:34 but there's animate dead, death channel, simulacrum 20:58:42 not sure if this changes all derived undead actually 20:58:51 since the function is _downscale_zombie_damage() 21:00:03 -!- omarax_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:11 Ok, so that does affect all derived undead 21:00:21 !function mons_class_is_zombified 21:00:21 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/mon-util.cc#l1567 21:00:41 perhaps that's some bad function naming, since zombies are a distinct type of derived undead, but oh well 21:01:04 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-1791-g2f19dce: Fix one more case of a god hating a brand. 10(8 seconds ago, 1 file, 2+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2f19dce0e2c6 21:01:17 gammafunk: if we mention it, it must be in the manual 21:01:19 did something change recently with magic mapping and wall display? i'm getting some pretty strange rendering in putty 21:01:29 ontoclasm: the idea was jsut for animate skeleton 21:01:34 johnny0: possibly with permarock? 21:01:34 ontoclasm: and it's still on the table 21:01:48 gammafunk: yeah, but it's not just permarock which is doing strange things 21:01:54 We made some permarock changes to tiles, but that shouldn't affect anything 21:01:54 gammafunk: a lot of the derived undead stuff says "zombie" 21:01:59 I'm guess zombies came first 21:02:10 if I 'X' and move around, i blank walls sometimes render as expected 21:02:20 that's odd 21:02:27 johnny0: can you screenshot it? 21:02:44 Lasty: Yeah, would be nice to make those relevant functions simply refer to "derived_undead" instead of e.g. "zombified" 21:02:50 sure, give me a sec 21:02:52 gammafunk: yeah 21:03:05 tho it does eat into our precious 80 characters 21:03:36 I'm all for more clarity over saving cols 21:03:43 Maybe there's a shorter term we could use 21:03:45 I do still like the idea of making Animate Skeleton just give "skeletons", but I'd need to work through the details. What would the stats be? 21:03:58 maybe just "derived"? 21:04:01 "animated"? 21:04:06 "raised" 21:04:18 Yeah, and I think if we did that, we might just remove generic skeleton derived undead monster, no? 21:04:24 -!- chequers has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:04:26 Since they're fairly similar to zombies 21:04:33 Just make some balance adjustments 21:04:33 yes 21:04:35 exactly 21:05:09 -!- inire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05:44 ontoclasm: i'll link two screenshots with different cursors in a moment -- it probably would be best as an animation though :/ 21:06:19 IMO any change to animate skeleton should address three points: 1) reduce the quality of the spell overall; 2) make it stop giving chunks; 3) not force you to walk over every corpse to avoid balance-through-tedium. 21:08:26 -!- iosephius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:08:54 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 21:09:18 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/zk0c9q381enn93d/2015_09_08_magic_mapping_1.png | https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/mgx4dzcdor3qymy/2015_09_08_magic_mapping_2.png 21:10:44 all i did was move around the cursor 21:10:51 That's pretty weird 21:11:36 johnny0: would you mind filing a bug report with that, just so we have a record? 21:11:36 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:11:49 With those screenshots, I mean 21:11:54 yeah, i have no idea what would cause that 21:11:58 sure 21:12:03 thanks 21:13:12 showing los of the cursor? 21:13:50 -!- keyvin has quit [Quit: leaving] 21:14:04 -!- mrzisme has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:17:37 -!- drunkdriver1488 has quit [] 21:17:50 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:19:49 -!- melen has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:22:19 Am I reading this right? Do troves never take wands of hasting? 21:22:37 Just healing? 21:23:13 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:23:55 -!- chequers has joined ##crawl-dev 21:24:19 <|amethyst> Lasty: hasting and healing are both listed in dat/des/portals/trove.des 21:25:22 huh. I see "if you.race() ~= "Vine Stalker" then table.insert(prices, {base="wand", type="heal wounds", quant=7+d(2)}) end" but nothing equivalent for /hasting 21:25:33 <|amethyst> local stasis_tolls = { ... } 21:25:40 oh, I see it 21:25:43 riight 21:26:01 -!- jspengler has quit [] 21:26:13 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:28:52 <+gammafunk> oh, that's a chequers problem <-- did you release my commit? 21:29:16 that should have fixed it... 21:29:55 hm you did 21:30:08 n1k: can you try force-refresh? maybe cache issue 21:30:36 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 21:30:52 chequers, " Yeah, I'm going to merge that js webtiles fix and his website updates this evening for sure (for SURE. I just have to buy groceries!)" 21:30:53 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 21:31:09 oops 21:33:37 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-1792-g3f9e932: Blocking trove wand tolls for characters with Sac Artifice 10(6 minutes ago, 1 file, 4+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/3f9e932fb974 21:34:26 <|amethyst> Lasty: in "Change derived undead damage", it would be closer to to old behaviour for weaker monsters to round down by doing 4 * damage / 5 21:35:23 <|amethyst> Lasty: as it is, it's a straight buff for monsters whose attacks are smaller than 20 21:36:03 <|amethyst> (except at exactly 10 and 11 damage, at which is is the same) 21:37:20 |amethyst: ah crap, you're right. I did the rounding wrong. 21:37:38 I thought about this, and then did the wrong thing anyone. 21:37:42 *anyway 21:37:52 Polyphemus throws yaks? have you all lost it? 21:39:02 03Lasty02 07* 0.17-a0-1793-gcbb3aa1: Improve rounding on undead damage (|amethyst) 10(7 seconds ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cbb3aa1db16f 21:39:06 <|amethyst> Polyphemus asks, "Where's the beef?" 21:39:16 <|amethyst> Polyphemus demonstrates where the beef is! 21:42:01 -!- pikaro has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:46:26 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 21:48:19 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:53:06 Polyhpemus is actually a butcher who delivers, he's trying to help you 21:53:15 *Polyphemus 21:55:46 -!- Guest38984 has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:55:46 -!- skeletonhat has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:55:46 -!- imaginarythomas has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:00:17 -!- travis-ci has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:18 The build was broken. (master - 42870f9 #3139 : Chris Campbell): https://travis-ci.org/crawl/crawl/builds/79299481 22:00:18 -!- travis-ci has left ##crawl-dev 22:00:41 haha 22:02:50 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:50 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 22:05:54 don't yaks weight like half a ton or something 22:06:04 -!- bonghitz has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 22:07:10 er, weigh 22:11:22 -!- zero_one has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:12:28 -!- shinino has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:13:07 kvaak: more than that, i would have guessed 22:13:49 well up to two times that (and more) according to wikipedia 22:14:25 yeah. but apparently domesticated ones are like half the size 22:14:38 so you were right on, if the dungeon counts as domesticated 22:18:15 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 22:20:31 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:26:52 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:33:36 -!- LexAckson has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:33:59 yaks weigh more than a small car i'd wager 22:35:29 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:36:57 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:40:11 i always imagine them like wooly-mammoth-sized, even though i know this is counterfactual 22:42:37 that's a big yak 22:42:59 a death yak, even 22:43:10 yakdozer 22:54:06 -!- orbekk has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:00:36 -!- orbekk has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 23:01:04 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:13:27 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:15:58 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 23:17:59 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:18:37 -!- orbekk has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1] 23:22:37 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:29:28 -!- roxton has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:30:31 -!- rast has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:32:23 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 23:33:45 -!- omnirizon has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:36:42 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 23:40:13 -!- Lasty_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:46:51 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49:45 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:50:54 <|amethyst> !hs test x=src 23:50:54 425. [src=lld] test the Slasher (L9 HuFi of Okawaru), mangled by an orc warrior (a +0 scimitar) on D:8 on 2014-09-23 04:22:27, with 2666 points after 10238 turns and 0:25:03. 23:50:57 <|amethyst> !hs blah x=src 23:50:58 4. [src=cdo] blah the Ducker (L5 VpSt), slain by a hound on D:6 on 2012-11-13 01:12:29, with 335 points after 2743 turns and 0:18:30. 23:51:45 -!- captainkraft has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:54:11 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 23:54:11 !hs * cpo name~~alex 23:54:13 33. alex the Tortoise (L13 GrBe of Trog), blasted by an ice dragon (blast of cold) on D:15 (portal_ice_cave_entry_animals_and_master) on 2014-10-22 00:43:24, with 32648 points after 14794 turns and 1:05:48. 23:55:37 next up is a bot to join webtiles chat that feeds in sequell/gretel queries 23:55:52 but before that we must merge that js webtiles fix and then update the website! 23:56:08 which fix? 23:56:16 pull request 23:56:34 ah 23:56:40 basically webtiles lags over time at least in part to us making new div tags for each message, never deleting them 23:56:54 good news is that this is a game-side fix, so webtiles-changes servers like cpo should update fine 23:56:56 aha 23:57:00 this is nice 23:57:25 somoene will need to cherry-pick to webtiles-changes though 23:57:32 no it's a game-side fix 23:57:45 <|amethyst> gammafunk: re that fix, I mentioned earlier I'm not happy with the -10 23:57:48 ah 23:57:55 <|amethyst> gammafunk: since you might have more than 10 lines of message area visible 23:57:57 yeah, that's one thing I wan't to correct, |amethyst 23:58:05 but I need to fully understand that code 23:58:10 -!- DrStalker_ is now known as DrStalker 23:58:16 also, I guess this needs cherry-picking into e.g. stable? 23:58:22 if we want those games to be fixed as well 23:58:43 -!- lgft has quit [Quit: Page closed] 23:58:45 updates to the game client should be fully updated by version, right? 23:59:07 I'm not sure how chequers updates his game client though 23:59:32 s/wan't/want/