00:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:02:23 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 00:02:28 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:03:16 !lg . tall killer=grinder 00:03:17 3. rchandra the Sneak (L4 VpHu), slain by Grinder on D:2 on 2014-09-10 23:10:21, with 84 points after 1670 turns and 0:05:22. 00:03:30 !lg . tall ck killer=grinder -2 00:03:31 No games for rchandra (tall ck killer=grinder). 00:03:53 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:04:06 !lg . tall ck killer~~grinder 00:04:06 1. hyperrchandra the Skirmisher (L4 HOCK of Xom), slain by Grinder the apocalypse crab on D:3 on 2015-03-22 07:10:19, with 85 points after 1888 turns and 0:06:09. 00:04:15 apoc crabs are not demons, are they? 00:11:30 <|amethyst> @??apocalypse crab 00:11:30 apocalypse crab (16t) | Spd: 10 | HD: 8 | HP: 39-64 | AC/EV: 11/6 | Dam: 1509(chaos), 1509(chaos) | 05demonic, amphibious, see invisible | Res: 06magic(60), 05fire++, 02cold++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 09poison, 08holy++, 11silver | Chunks: 06mutagenic | XP: 447 | Sp: chaos breath (d12) [11!AM, 06!sil] | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 00:11:44 <|amethyst> they are for some reason (abyss I guess?) 00:17:30 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:27:33 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:29 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:29:54 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 00:35:21 -!- mamgar has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:53:00 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 00:53:12 ??plan 00:53:12 plan[1/1]: https://crawl.develz.org/wiki/doku.php?id=dcss:planning:release_plans 00:55:29 The Moon? 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:04:42 the moon! 01:06:48 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:07:06 TO THE MOON! 01:08:51 -!- captainkraft_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:13:52 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:18:23 to the moon... 01:19:47 .moonrank 01:19:47 83 games for * (moonland br=wizlab): 21x wizlab_doroklohe, 20x wizlab_lehudib, 10x wizlab_iskenderun, 7x wizlab_demon, 7x wizlab_golubria, 7x wizlab_wucad, 4x wizlab_cigotuvi, 4x wizlab_zonguldrok, 3x wizlab_cloud 01:20:13 oh my goodness, dpeg pulls to a lead, what a dramatic race this has become, folks 01:38:20 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 01:39:03 -!- Brannock_ has joined ##crawl-dev 01:40:20 -!- WalrusKing__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:42:09 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:43:15 heh 01:50:59 -!- Siegurt has left ##crawl-dev 01:53:56 -!- Jimmy_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:54:47 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:56:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:06:39 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:13:02 -!- Dixlet_ has joined ##crawl-dev 02:17:35 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:30:00 -!- jspengler has quit [] 02:35:04 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1764-gd4f14f8: Changelog up to 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857 10(11 minutes ago, 1 file, 10+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/d4f14f82883c 02:45:26 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1764-gd4f14f8 03:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:07:58 -!- Gorgo_1 has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10:11 -!- CacoS has quit [Client Quit] 03:11:45 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1764-gd4f14f8 (34) 03:12:04 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 03:12:40 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:17:22 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 03:19:56 -!- Ahrin has joined ##crawl-dev 03:22:09 Anyone around? I've had a broken game for several months on CSZO and never got around to having it fixed. It bugged out (something involving Mummies of Gozag being able to fund merchants when they had enough gold for a food shop, but not having an affordable shop presented in the options). The bug was fixed but my session remains broken. 03:22:12 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:23:35 I wouldn't mind the game being killed, if fixing it a hassle. Stuck at this selection screen, unable to do anything. http://puu.sh/k0ueH/6126328c39.png 03:23:49 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26:32 -!- Dixlet_ has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:31:38 !tell |amethyst Ahrin is having trouble with a game on cszo: "I wouldn't mind the game being killed, if fixing it a hassle. Stuck at this selection screen, unable to do anything. http://puu.sh/k0ueH/6126328c39.png" 03:31:38 amalloy: OK, I'll let |amethyst know. 03:31:55 -!- gammafunk has quit [Quit: leaving] 03:33:40 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 03:35:32 -!- Kolbur has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36:25 Thanks. I guess I should've done that in the first place. 03:41:33 Ahrin: fwiw if you dont' know who runs your server, you can find out via the ??cszo entries (that's how i looked it up) 03:44:01 -!- Foamed_ has quit [Client Quit] 03:49:21 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 03:51:38 -!- rchandra has left ##crawl-dev 03:55:11 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:57:11 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:58:48 New branch created: cyc (6 commits) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/tree/cyc 03:58:48 03|amethyst02 07[cyc] * 0.17-a0-1765-ge8a1b34: Double starting weapon skill for Hu and AM. 10(53 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/e8a1b3469781 03:58:48 03|amethyst02 07[cyc] * 0.17-a0-1766-gab79527: Disable shafts [trigger warning] 10(43 minutes ago, 11 files, 1+ 771-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ab795271bc42 03:58:48 03|amethyst02 07[cyc] * 0.17-a0-1767-g8634179: Remove worship of Ds 10(34 minutes ago, 14 files, 20+ 16-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8634179aec14 03:58:48 03|amethyst02 07[cyc] * 0.17-a0-1768-g372c713: Tweak: remove hunger over time. 10(28 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/372c713216b8 03:58:48 03|amethyst02 07[cyc] * 0.17-a0-1769-g8bf63ef: Make AC and melee/ranged damage rolls less random. 10(20 minutes ago, 2 files, 9+ 9-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/8bf63ef44f3a 03:58:48 03|amethyst02 07[cyc] * 0.17-a0-1770-gf60a18e: Double damage from most player spells. 10(10 minutes ago, 1 file, 49+ 49-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/f60a18ef7dbc 03:59:23 <|amethyst> There, I feel better now 03:59:24 |amethyst: You have 1 message. Use !messages to read it. 03:59:30 <|amethyst> Ahrin: let me take a look 04:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:02:12 <|amethyst> hm, what would be the easiest way to fix this 04:04:43 <|amethyst> Ahrin: okay, try it now 04:05:27 |amethyst: looks like that was therapeutic 04:05:36 <|amethyst> hm 04:05:41 <|amethyst> Ahrin: no, wait, that didn't fix it 04:05:44 <|amethyst> trying again :) 04:07:37 <|amethyst> Ahrin: okay, should be fixed for real this time 04:07:47 Oh, thank you |amethyst. I'll check. 04:08:06 what's this stuff? 04:08:22 Yes, I'm in control again. Excellent. Thank you! 04:08:27 <|amethyst> Ahrin: yay 04:08:29 ProzacElf: some much-needed fixes from CYC 04:08:41 Looking forward to dying with dozens more MuAE of Gozag before finding success. :) 04:08:44 heh 04:08:53 HuAM: now best race 04:09:01 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: as amalloy said, therapy 04:09:37 <|amethyst> For the record, my "fix" for Ahrin's save was to temporarily add you.uncancel.clear(); before the run_uncancels() in _launch_game 04:09:55 i think these all look like changes that have been needed for a long time =P 04:10:26 <|amethyst> and this time I actually remembered to reset the change so I won't be accidentally pushing that to trunk 04:10:31 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 04:10:55 A+ good forward planning 04:11:29 <|amethyst> (my first attempt was to comment out the run_uncancels(), but that doesn't help if you want to play the game with regular Crawl) 04:11:55 heh 04:12:21 haha 04:12:23 <|amethyst> %git 64d902d4 04:12:23 07MarvinPA02 * 0.17-a0-1362-g64d902d: Don't make all ecumenical altars choose Gozag 10(3 months ago, 1 file, 0+ 2-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/64d902d41384 04:12:34 -!- Akitten_Homura has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 04:14:47 -!- yottam has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:17:19 <|amethyst> !lm * god.ecumenical / won 04:17:41 58/3315 milestones for * (god.ecumenical): N=58/3315 (1.75%) 04:17:52 <|amethyst> !lg * / won 04:17:54 32785/4601311 games for *: N=32785/4601311 (0.71%) 04:18:07 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.17 / won 04:18:08 No games for * (0.17). 04:18:11 <|amethyst> !lg * 0.17-a / won 04:18:12 3803/324345 games for * (0.17-a): N=3803/324345 (1.17%) 04:19:35 <|amethyst> !lg * vlong>=0.17-a0-1351-g1a06f40 / won 04:19:36 1808/158848 games for * (vlong>=0.17-a0-1351-g1a06f40): N=1808/158848 (1.14%) 04:20:01 <|amethyst> seems like ecumenical altars are a net advantage 04:20:24 <|amethyst> that or the players who use them are better than average, which sounds unlikely 04:23:18 <|amethyst> hm, maybe I should add in cyc branch a command to do a full memory dump (well, of the important stuff: player and env at least), into the message area 04:23:30 <|amethyst> for those who like to see numbers and don't want the game to hide things 04:28:11 remember to use map knowledge, to avoid an information leak 04:28:37 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 04:28:47 what/who is cyc? 04:29:20 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewforum.php?f=17 04:29:48 oh 04:30:04 !lm . milestone~~ecumenical 04:30:05 236. [2015-08-30 16:48:08] perunasaurus the Frost Mage (L7 MfIE) entered the Ecumenical Temple on turn 3691. (D:4) 04:30:08 !lm . milestone~~ecumenical_altar 04:30:09 1. [2015-07-21 14:40:30] perunasaurus the Chiller (L3 MfIE of Cheibriados) prayed at an ecumenical altar on turn 1215. (D:2) 04:47:20 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:02:15 -!- Cheburashka has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:12:16 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:13:12 -!- dtsund has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:13:25 Heading off, thanks again for fixing the game |amethyst! 05:14:27 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:17:47 -!- Ahrin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:23:58 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 05:27:10 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:34:22 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:36:26 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:39:53 -!- Elynae has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:43:54 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:47:13 -!- Ragdoll has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:55:40 Crypt3 dead room 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9937 by Le_Nerd 05:56:06 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:57:41 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:02:49 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09:57 dead room in crypt. how flavourful 06:13:00 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 06:14:31 <|amethyst> It looks like it's intentional 06:14:53 <|amethyst> there is a 3/4 chance of that room being completely enclosed 06:15:59 <|amethyst> I guess the problem is really ctele removal 06:16:10 <|amethyst> though you can still get in with high-powered LRD 06:19:28 imo high-power LRD has enough uses you don't need to create vaults for it :p 06:20:06 s/create/have 06:21:53 i think the idea is more that the existence of that room is randomised, rather than maing you sometimes have to use ctele/lrd to get in 06:22:39 or if that wasn't the idea initially, that's how it should be changed to work now, anyway 06:23:01 <|amethyst> are there letters left? 06:23:03 <|amethyst> I guess so 06:23:15 that vault has a couple of other similar spots i think 06:23:43 https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9814 06:24:03 <|amethyst> oh, and I guess it doesn't get vetoed because A. it's a vault B. there's a hatch up 06:24:43 <|amethyst> the < there is what made me think it's intentional 06:25:11 <|amethyst> (that and not being no_tele_into) 06:25:29 i feel like when that vault was first added, those areas didn't have hatches in and you could get stuck in them 06:25:42 and the hatches were added to fix that 06:25:49 <|amethyst> ah, probably 06:25:53 why hatches instead of teletraps 06:25:54 but this was in the distant past so i'm not sure 06:26:17 <|amethyst> kvaak: time-travelling formicids 06:29:50 <|amethyst> Looks like it was there since it was added 06:29:53 <|amethyst> %git c9a5a4de 06:29:53 07dpeg02 * 0.6.0-a0-971-gc9a5a4d: New Crypt:5 map (Neil Middleton). 10(6 years ago, 1 file, 157+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c9a5a4dea4e2 06:30:04 <|amethyst> err, looks like the hatch was there since the vault was added 06:30:25 <|amethyst> but, yeah, I agree with your comment on #9814 that it should be filled in 06:30:52 <|amethyst> needs around 4 new letters 06:31:25 -!- Badge is now known as Big_Guy 06:31:33 -!- Big_Guy is now known as BigGuy 06:31:44 -!- BigGuy is now known as Vidiny 06:32:35 <|amethyst> looks like MNTY are available 06:32:41 <|amethyst> one might even say "fresh" 06:33:44 <|amethyst> the other similarly-randomized rooms are guaranteed a door 06:34:05 <|amethyst> would be simplest to just do that here 06:34:20 <|amethyst> would be one line shorter than currently, in fact :) 06:35:51 <|amethyst> I don't see any other such rooms in this vault 06:35:56 <|amethyst> but maybe I'm missing one 06:37:21 <|amethyst> hrm, no, #9814 looks like a different room 06:37:23 <|amethyst> which one 06:41:24 i think there's one at the top of the vault with a lich in 06:41:26 -!- dgu404_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:41:51 i thought those two on mantis were the same though 06:43:53 ah the lich room always has an entrance now 06:44:36 maybe making this room just always get an entrance too is easiest 06:46:27 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 06:47:39 cyc branch :) "trypophobic players" <3 <3 06:57:56 -!- Ququman has joined ##crawl-dev 07:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:09:13 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:09:59 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:12:51 -!- Kalma has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:13:17 -!- medice has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:18:14 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 07:22:44 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: do you think it's okay to demand flying/swimming to get in? Trying to decide whether to just remove the SUBST:, or to only make the two outer Ks participate in the NSUBST 07:25:50 |amethyst: what map? 07:26:12 <|amethyst> !vault quadcrypt_mu 07:26:13 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/dat/des/branches/crypt.des#l1543 07:26:40 <|amethyst> this is the triangularish room just to the northwest of the round lake 07:26:49 <|amethyst> 3/4 of the time it has no entrance 07:27:20 I see 07:27:48 In my opinion: hiding content is not okay, demanding swim/fly by Crypt is okay. 07:29:36 <|amethyst> MarvinPA: ah, it is the same room... I was just mistaking the dark undetected squares for detected floor 07:38:21 -!- Earlo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:39:16 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1765-gcb1435c: Liven up a dead room (#9814) 10(7 minutes ago, 1 file, 0+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cb1435c38233 07:46:08 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 07:46:50 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 07:49:07 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:56:02 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:32 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 08:03:24 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 08:03:54 hmm i made gravitas work on empty space and it turns out to be really weird 08:04:06 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:05:00 it pulls stuff all the way through and like 3 squares past the point you target 08:05:50 but if you catch something just at the edge of the aoe, it only moves 1 square (and immediately moves back to its old position), since the strength of the pull scales down really quickly 08:17:19 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:21:45 -!- __miek has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:23:55 -!- MakMorn has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:26:49 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:28:59 -!- Patashu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:29:15 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17:35 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:27:58 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:42:54 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 09:46:33 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:48:46 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 09:49:53 -!- Evablue has quit [Client Quit] 10:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:00:33 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:04:24 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:05:22 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:09:13 -!- ToraX_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:17:42 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 10:19:42 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 10:21:40 -!- gammafunk has joined ##crawl-dev 10:25:57 -!- thrig has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:31:14 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 10:40:19 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:45:42 -!- plazmod has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:45:50 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:03:12 -!- Evablue_ has quit [Quit: Evablue_] 11:05:30 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:17:48 03|amethyst02 07* 0.17-a0-1766-g0b8207c: Charge for more egos in shops (tedric, minmay) 10(2 minutes ago, 1 file, 3+ 0-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/0b8207c31b7b 11:19:35 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:21:02 |amethyst: great! 11:22:38 -!- plazmod_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 11:25:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 11:29:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:29:13 -!- dpeg__ has joined ##crawl-dev 11:29:20 -!- captainkraft has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:30:34 -!- sgun_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:37:18 -!- Ladykiller69 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:41:00 -!- Adumbration has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:44:43 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:45:30 -!- ussdefiant has joined ##crawl-dev 11:48:25 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:51:55 |amethyst: If I reindented all of our lua to use 4 spaces instead of 2, would that be a fireable offense? 11:52:04 I've just really come to dislike use of 2 indent 11:53:18 of course I say that, but I don't know of a great way to day that while not introducing any bugs 11:53:54 <|amethyst> sounds good to me 11:54:06 <|amethyst> 2 spaces is "standard" Lua style 11:54:09 <|amethyst> but 11:54:27 it's a really awkward indent choice 11:54:41 -!- dpeg__ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 11:55:01 Do you have a recommendation of how to do this aside from using C-M-\ a lot 11:55:13 <|amethyst> gg=G a lot? 11:55:29 heh, is that a vim-ism? 11:55:32 <|amethyst> I don't think it's that awkward in itself, and Lua does tend to have lots of nesting 11:55:36 <|amethyst> yeah 11:55:48 <|amethyst> but the inconsistency with our C++ code is ugly 11:56:10 <|amethyst> the real problem will be handling embedded Lua 11:56:40 yeah 11:57:40 I also need to see about getting some kind of equivalent to "use strict" in my lua 11:57:46 <|amethyst> there's also the question of what to do with "then" 11:58:05 <|amethyst> and "do" 11:58:08 oh, treat it like an open brace in C++ on a new line? 11:58:23 I guess that would be kind of consistent 11:58:50 <|amethyst> that's consistent but feels uglier than doing the same with braces in C++ 11:59:08 <|amethyst> so I'm not sure 11:59:22 <|amethyst> we do have "then" on its own line when the condition is longer than one line 11:59:41 ah, is there any writing we have at all about lua style/guidelines? 11:59:46 <|amethyst> which makes sense, because otherwise it's kind of hard to spot where the continuation ends and the body begins 11:59:51 <|amethyst> I don't think so, no 11:59:59 <|amethyst> nor python, sh, perl 12:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:05 <|amethyst> js 12:00:22 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 12:00:32 <|amethyst> I guess js and perl can more or less follow our C++ conventions 12:00:34 right, guess it becomes a bit pedantic if we don't have a lot of those 12:00:41 but we certainly have a lot of lua at this point 12:01:09 <|amethyst> I think our js code already follows the indentation conventions 12:01:27 <|amethyst> what we really need to do is set up a clang-format configuration 12:01:27 I do have (setq js-indent-level 4) 12:01:27 (setq indent-tabs-mode nil)) 12:01:37 <|amethyst> for the C++ that is 12:02:03 <|amethyst> then unbrace (and much of checkwhite, at least for C++) can go away 12:02:53 -!- tksquared_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:03:32 No unwritten Battle Cry 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9938 by Thrall 12:04:20 <|amethyst> hm, does that bug report make sense to anyone? 12:04:21 interesting, had never heard of this 12:04:42 <|amethyst> It's just the title and two images of beogh orcs 12:04:54 <|amethyst> s/images/screenshots/ 12:05:15 -!- MakMorn has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:30 that is a curious one...maybe it's because of no flavour text from the orc? Doesn't really make sense 12:06:49 <|amethyst> I assume it has something to do with the orc battle cry thing 12:06:50 Or perhaps "battle cry" just means "message in battle", but I don't know what's supposed to be missing 12:07:32 Good old Thrall bug reports 12:08:06 oh and it's hanon12 12:08:12 !lm hanon12 x=vlong 12:08:13 12093. [2015-09-05 15:16:07] [vlong=0.17-a0-1763-g847a857] hanon12 the Warrior (L15 HOMo of Beogh) reached level 4 of the Snake Pit on turn 9977. (Snake:4) 12:08:28 !lg hanon12 won x=vlong 12:08:28 9. [vlong=0.17-a0-1519-g2001520] hanon12 the Thanatomancer (L27 HOGl of Beogh), escaped with the Orb and 15 runes on 2015-07-30 02:39:08, with 27296642 points after 53984 turns and 7:55:32. 12:09:24 <|amethyst> ah, maybe you're right about "message in battle" 12:09:29 <|amethyst> %git b76d80503 12:09:29 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.16-a0-3942-gb76d805: Adjust monster speech chances 10(7 months ago, 1 file, 36+ 31-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/b76d80503170 12:11:19 -!- zkyp has joined ##crawl-dev 12:11:59 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 12:12:07 hey, cxc seems to have some troubles announcing things, some things go fine, other things just won't get announced by the IRC bot - any logs I could check out / idea where to start looking? 12:12:17 <|amethyst> what kind of things? 12:13:06 unique kills and such 12:13:25 <|amethyst> what branch? 12:13:36 not sure how it's configured by default but for example; killing khufu gives no message 12:13:43 seems to be happening on both 16 and trunk 12:13:43 <|amethyst> unique kills are only announced in Abyss, Zot, Hells + Hell, Tomb, Slime, Pan 12:13:55 zkyp: Yeah, the set of things that bots announce was changed 12:13:55 <|amethyst> I assume you're meeting Khufu in Crypt? 12:13:58 to reduce spam 12:14:03 oh I see 12:14:09 this was some months back 12:14:19 <|amethyst> oddly, ghosts are announced in those + Depths Vaults Crypt 12:14:32 <|amethyst> kills of ghosts that is 12:14:40 had some messages about it, but I guess that's why then 12:14:41 thanks! 12:15:02 <|amethyst> Why is WizLab in the list anyway? 12:15:11 for unique kills? 12:15:16 <|amethyst> err 12:15:19 <|amethyst> I mean the br.enter list 12:15:22 <|amethyst> I guess for dev vanity 12:15:30 oh, well 12:15:37 people do kind of like to watch people clear those 12:15:42 "late game portal" I guess 12:16:22 I'm actually not sure which br.enter we announce 12:16:33 <|amethyst> Zot Tomb Hell Coc Geh Dis Tar Pan WizLab 12:16:42 <|amethyst> br.end for more 12:17:04 Yeah I'm not terribly attached to announcing wizlabs 12:17:11 We don't announce zigs either 12:17:48 Now dying in a wizlab is a whole other matter! 12:17:52 -!- ```dsk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 12:18:00 <|amethyst> we announce entering zigs 12:18:14 zigs are announced starting at the 20th floor or so 12:18:37 Wow, we announce each floor? 12:18:59 <|amethyst> we announce entering, exiting, and floors from 20 and up 12:20:14 <|amethyst> at least, sizzell does 12:22:11 kvaak or someone in ##crawl more is probably has a better sense than I do 12:22:24 s/is // 12:22:30 ... yeah, I just mute all the announcebots 12:22:30 well I have most bots muted on ##crawl 12:22:49 well you people are no fun at all! 12:22:58 yep 12:23:14 I thought you knew that 12:23:38 We should have the bots give insults to players that die if they have the bots muted 12:23:53 <|amethyst> oh hey 12:24:02 <|amethyst> oh waitr 12:24:04 <|amethyst> s/r// 12:24:48 <|amethyst> doh, I was looking at the wrong server; I thought for a minute that Chei's server had upgraded g++, but I was actually logged into cszo 12:25:59 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 12:26:13 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:28:58 <|amethyst> oh, huh. arrhythmia isn't just the biggest thanker... e also has received more thanks than e has posts 12:29:23 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 12:32:46 <|amethyst> gammafunk has the best ratio in the top 100 thankees; and n1000 is the third and last person in that list with more thanks than posts 12:33:08 yesss 12:33:11 how do we see this? 12:33:18 <|amethyst> https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/thankslist.php?sk=e&sd=d&top=100 12:33:28 <|amethyst> no way to sort by ratio, so I eyeballed it 12:34:19 I see, haha 12:34:54 <|amethyst> bh also has a ratio > 1 12:35:12 <|amethyst> Cheibrodos is exactly 1 12:35:24 <|amethyst> as is Yermak 12:35:25 Galefury seems to have a better ratio 12:35:40 oh sorry 12:35:44 I'm looking at the wrong colum 12:35:45 n 12:36:16 <|amethyst> lessens 12:37:24 <|amethyst> oh, if you go far enough down the list, Baconkid has you beat in ratio: 16 posts, 61 thanks 12:37:39 <|amethyst> there's no competing with artwork I guess :) 12:38:21 <|amethyst> Ayutzia and Cerekov are also very high in ratio 12:38:29 <|amethyst> and willy theraccoon 12:38:33 <|amethyst> s/y t/yt/ 12:38:46 <|amethyst> I'm not going any further than 200th place though :) 12:40:10 -!- Kalir has quit [Changing host] 12:40:31 I'm glad I've become aware of this page, it will be a critical tool in future tiles chat arguments 12:40:49 <|amethyst> presumably it's going away at some point 12:40:55 <|amethyst> better print it out for posterity 12:42:39 I actually think it shouldn't go away, but I'm not going to vehemently oppose it or anything 12:42:43 The will of the people... 12:44:10 <|amethyst> I wonder if there's any way to sort posts by most thanked 12:44:40 can you access postgres on cdo at all? 12:44:44 could query the table I guess 12:45:12 <|amethyst> I'm sure I can "access" postgres, but I would imagine the db has a password 12:45:59 <|amethyst> hm, no psql in $PATH anyway 12:46:17 <|amethyst> and I don't feel like writing a Perl script 12:46:24 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:46:51 it would take me like 15 minutes to remember how to write a SELECT anyhow 12:46:54 <|amethyst> (I also don't even know what the name of the database would be, or how to get a list of dbs with DBI) 12:47:33 <|amethyst> SELECT X 12:47:36 <|amethyst> CASE 1 12:47:41 <|amethyst> GOSUB 100 12:48:33 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:48:43 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 12:49:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:53:36 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 12:55:00 10 GOTO 10 12:55:28 <|amethyst> 20 GOTO DENGO 13:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:05:53 Unstable branch on crawl.akrasiac.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1766-g0b8207c (34) 13:05:53 -!- vale_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:06:20 oh, heh, crawl.read_options exist 13:06:28 I should make a "qw-mode" 13:06:43 I guess it'd only be one-way though 13:07:06 maybe modify qw to have a disable function 13:09:45 -!- rast has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:11:30 someone rang? 13:12:26 just tallying thank statistics 13:13:03 a thankless job. 13:13:14 <|amethyst> bh: you are in the exclusive club of more thanks received than posts made :) 13:14:38 |amethyst: most of my posts are the players complaining about something and then I reply 'done' and patch it 13:14:45 they love that shit 13:14:58 * bh is a man of the players 13:15:49 Ah but the tavern secret police is wary of your popularity and may seek to have you eliminated... 13:20:40 i'm close to that club, but not quite there :C 13:20:44 need to post less 13:21:18 -!- ussdefiant has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:28:29 -!- UncertainKitten has joined ##crawl-dev 13:28:49 -!- simmarine has joined ##crawl-dev 13:35:13 |amethyst: oh, it looks like c_persist is always storing boolean values as true 13:36:46 yep 13:36:47 elseif t == "boolean" then 13:36:47 if t then 13:36:56 <|amethyst> haha 13:37:01 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 13:37:03 woopsie! 13:37:11 <|amethyst> wonder how elliptic hasn't noticed that yet 13:37:17 <|amethyst> I guess he doesn't set anything to false 13:37:22 maybe he doesn't use bools 13:37:26 I was pulling my hair out 13:37:42 hrm, is that the only source of the problem 13:38:14 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 13:38:33 well, seems to fix it 13:38:36 so I'll push 13:43:59 03gammafunk02 07* 0.17-a0-1767-gccbed74: Don't always store boolean variables in c_persist as true 10(5 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ccbed74ba74b 13:44:22 elliptic: ccbed74 is something you might want to be aware of 13:45:08 oh I should cherry pick that one now 13:45:46 <|amethyst> I guess that works, but I wouldn't want to encourage that fake ternary operator too much 13:46:19 <|amethyst> it's fine if the second term is always true as in this case 13:46:33 oh, yeah perhaps I shouldn't do that 13:46:59 I think I've seen that a bunch in lua and just copied the style 13:47:13 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:47:35 <|amethyst> yeah, you see it a bunch in any language that doesn't have ternary operators but does have short-circuiting logical operators that return their arguments rather than booleans 13:48:04 <|amethyst> shell for example 13:48:43 <|amethyst> (well, in shell they don't "return" their arguments, but often you're more interested in their stdout anyway 13:48:46 <|amethyst> ) 13:49:14 <|amethyst> (or other side effects) 13:50:05 `if [ -z $VAR ] then; echo "false"; fi` 13:50:29 <|amethyst> quote your parameter expansions! 13:53:05 <|amethyst> sh has a lot of things wrong with it, but the behaviour of unquoted $VAR is one of the worst 13:53:29 you missed the semicolon after ] too 13:53:41 yeah I can't ever remember where the semicolon must go 13:53:47 everywhere 13:53:48 :P 13:53:56 <|amethyst> oddly 13:53:56 the most amazing thing about shell is that it used to be worse 13:54:04 <|amethyst> you *can't* have the semicolon after "then" 13:54:11 <|amethyst> but you can have a newline there just fine 13:54:16 -!- imaginarythomas has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:54:18 works fine in zsh at least 13:54:24 (with a semicolon after ‘then’) 13:54:31 but yeah better not take your chances 13:54:59 modern shells even parse [ as a syntactic construct, I’ve heard, that must be bordering on heresy 13:55:26 <|amethyst> what are you counting as modern? just zsh? :) 13:55:33 but hey, at least : is a really meaningless no-op… 13:55:37 <|amethyst> ksh93 and bash has [[ ]] 13:55:41 <|amethyst> s/has/have/ 13:55:50 <|amethyst> I don't know zsh 13:56:01 right, but I wouldn’t be surprised if they treated [ ] specially too to retroactively fix broken scripts 13:56:12 and zsh is basically an overly extended variant of ksh, so it has those too 13:56:27 <|amethyst> they can't: it wouldn't be POSIX-compliant, and it would break other scripts 13:56:34 <|amethyst> test="-f $FILE" 13:56:35 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:56:43 <|amethyst> if [ $test ]; then ...; fi 13:57:00 <|amethyst> well, for the ones that care about POSIX anyway 13:57:58 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 13:58:58 |amethyst, yeah that doesn’t work “right” in zsh 13:59:46 I would guess that there’s an option for it 13:59:50 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00:10 <|amethyst> Zaba: I think it's actually $foo that's different 14:00:28 <|amethyst> dirac% test="hi there" 14:00:28 <|amethyst> dirac% echo $test 14:00:28 <|amethyst> hi there 14:00:36 could be 14:01:32 <|amethyst> the zsh was is definitely superior, but you can't really write zsh scripts and expect to be able to run them most places 14:01:37 yeah 14:01:43 nor the other way around 14:01:54 03gammafunk02 07[stone_soup-0.16] * 0.16.2-3-ga078185: Don't always store boolean variables in c_persist as true 10(23 minutes ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/a0781851d070 14:01:55 (can’t expect just any shell script to run in zsh) 14:02:09 <|amethyst> yeah, hopefully no one has /bin/sh -> zsh :) 14:02:41 <|amethyst> then again, you can't rely on /bin/sh either 14:02:52 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 14:02:57 <|amethyst> since in Commercial Unix Land that is often classic Bourne 14:03:12 <|amethyst> and who wants to write that 14:03:24 yeah it’s “fun” 14:03:51 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 14:03:58 Stable (0.16) branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.16.2-3-ga078185 14:06:43 <|amethyst> I guess to make a truly portable Posix shell script, you have to insert the shbang at install time based on `getconf PATH` 14:09:01 it’s a shame that posix doesn’t specify goto in sh 14:09:13 <|amethyst> oh wow 14:09:50 <|amethyst> here is the (not normative) way Posix suggests doing the rewriting, on systems that support #! : 14:09:59 <|amethyst> Sifs=$IFS 14:09:59 <|amethyst> IFS=: 14:09:59 <|amethyst> set $(getconf PATH) 14:10:00 <|amethyst> IFS=$Sifs 14:10:06 <|amethyst> for i in $@ 14:10:06 <|amethyst> do 14:10:07 <|amethyst> if [ -f ${i}/sh ]; 14:10:07 <|amethyst> then 14:10:07 <|amethyst> Pshell=${i}/sh 14:10:09 <|amethyst> fi 14:10:11 <|amethyst> done 14:10:16 <|amethyst> scripts="a b c" 14:10:21 <|amethyst> for i in ${scripts} 14:10:21 <|amethyst> do sed -e "s|INSTALLSHELLPATH|${Pshell}|" < ${i}.source > ${i} 14:10:23 <|amethyst> done 14:10:37 <|amethyst> that's... 14:10:44 <|amethyst> not such a great shell script 14:10:49 easier by far to just not write shell scripts 14:10:54 <|amethyst> heh 14:11:15 <|amethyst> Add Perl to POSIX, problem solved 14:11:22 <|amethyst> and in the process we get a spec for Perl 14:11:25 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:11:27 <|amethyst> surely nothing could go wrong 14:11:36 but perl 6 isn't ready yet! 14:11:54 <|amethyst> it would probably be perl 4 that gets added 14:12:07 <|amethyst> this is a standards committee, after all 14:13:20 "In February 2015 a post on The Perl Foundation blog stated that "The Perl6 team will attempt to get a development release of version 1.0 available for Larry's birthday in September and a Version 1.0 release by Christmas." 14:13:30 huh, guess it's finally "happening" 14:13:59 <|amethyst> Man, I remember reading the Apocalypses as an undergrad 14:14:28 15 years in development, guess it's gonna be good 14:15:25 <|amethyst> what's funny is 14:15:32 <|amethyst> !calc 2011 - 1998 14:15:32 13 14:16:31 <|amethyst> granted, Perl 5 -> 6 is a much bigger change than C++98 -> 11 14:16:40 <|amethyst> but no standards committee 14:17:40 TMTOWTDI increased development time a few years, no big deal 14:17:57 well, perl 5 -> 6 is not something you migrate the same way you can update code from one C++ standard to the next 14:18:03 <|amethyst> yeah 14:18:16 <|amethyst> and Perl 5 has been in development 14:18:31 <|amethyst> s/in/under/ 14:18:39 yeah it doesn’t seem like perl 5 people are even particularly eager to migrate anywhere 14:19:01 <|amethyst> I'll probably learn Perl 6 at some point, but yeah 14:19:12 <|amethyst> I suspect I'll be writing perl 5 for a long time to come 14:21:15 <|amethyst> hopefully it will take GNU/Linux distributions less time to ship perl 6 by default than it has taken to include python 3 by default 14:21:18 <|amethyst> but I doubt it 14:21:45 well python 3 was posited as a replacement for python 2 14:22:08 <|amethyst> has perl6 dropped the "use perl5;" or whatever? 14:22:16 <|amethyst> that seemed kind of ambitious 14:22:19 I don’t think that’s implemented 14:22:42 it’s really more of a separate thing called “perl6” than a next version of perl5 14:22:54 <|amethyst> yeah 14:23:08 <|amethyst> so Perl without CPAN... 14:23:19 <|amethyst> (without the size of current CPAN, rather) 14:26:36 * greensnark blames Zaba for hooking him on zsh 14:26:47 heh 14:26:57 apologies 14:27:08 People say "What shell is that?" followed by "Bless you" 14:27:49 well it’s often associated with crazy people tinkering with thousands of lines of configuration 14:28:04 but that’s not necessary at all 14:28:11 as in, they spend...ok yeah 14:28:34 I thought you might have meant that's it's really good if you have to make configuration changes a lot on various systems 14:29:16 Doesn't it have fancy command argument expansion, even for things that aren't builtins? 14:29:26 Probably that's also available to bash users in some form 14:30:08 I should say command option expansion 14:30:20 yeah I guess it does 14:32:37 I think the single biggest win for me with zsh is shared history that's not insane 14:32:53 I can bind the up/down history to use *local* history, but *search* in shared history <3 14:33:11 I guess there may be a way to do that in bash now 14:33:37 But I often have to ssh into servers with crappy old or no zsh :( 14:38:03 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:42:57 gammafunk: yeah bash completion is available for a lot of things. i can't imagine using git without it, for example 14:43:21 -!- captainkraft_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:43:29 hrm, you mean for options to all the different subcommands? 14:43:33 yes 14:43:41 and for the subcommands themselves, of course 14:43:43 <|amethyst> I need to teach bash_completion about my large set of git wrapper functions 14:43:52 how is that enabled, a bash library? 14:43:55 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 14:44:00 git merge orm instead of git merge origin/master 14:44:00 I use the bash bookmark system, it's really good 14:44:25 gammafunk: i think there's a file that comes with git, you put it in /etc somewhere 14:44:32 ah ok 14:44:33 <|amethyst> bash_completion is the usual library used for that kind of thing 14:44:56 https://github.com/git/git/blob/master/contrib/completion/git-completion.bash#L19-L23 14:44:58 yeah I use cdargs-bash.sh 14:44:59 <|amethyst> based on the complete and compgen builtins 14:45:13 <|amethyst> (and maybe another one or two I am forgetting) 14:45:31 heh, I'm including an sh in /usr/share/doc/cdargs/examples/ to enable it 14:45:41 probably I shouldn't use an example file as an include 14:46:30 <|amethyst> next update they make a symlink cdargs-bash.sh -> rm-rf-on-tab.sh 14:47:17 submodule in the teach-sh-users-about-security.sh 14:47:53 gammafunk: that comes after the chapter about curl some/random/script | sudo bash 14:48:05 the readme does actually recommend you include that file 14:48:10 maybe they shouldn't call it an example 14:48:25 it's in fact the entire implementation 14:49:23 amalloy: but isn't it funny how many sites have some installer that basically have your source something via a url like that 14:49:36 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 14:49:41 I think the bioconductor install still has R users do that 14:49:44 yes, that's what i was complaining about 14:50:13 source("http://bioconductor.org/biocLite.R") 14:50:14 biocLite() 14:51:09 <|amethyst> to be fair, cpan install foo isn't any safer 14:51:27 yeah I guess they're all basically doing this in one way or another 14:52:29 <|amethyst> hm 14:53:50 <|amethyst> I guess cpan has signatures at least 14:54:23 <|amethyst> though I don't know the details 14:58:00 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 15:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01:19 -!- serq has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:08:35 <|amethyst> huh 15:09:27 <|amethyst> apparently the Japanese for "form" in Crawl is back-translated by Google as "mutation surgery" 15:10:12 i like it! 15:10:30 i'd way rather cast spider mutation surgery than spider form 15:19:17 would you prefer fighting salmonsnakes over dragons too? 15:24:17 fire salmonsnakes, ice salmonsnakes, pearl salmonsnakes, shadow salmonsnakes, golden salmonsnakes, not to forget book of the salmonsnake with salmonsnake form and salmonsnake's call! 15:27:22 it's a shame crawl doesn't have lions since it's almost as good as salmonsnake if not better 15:27:40 @??juggernaut 15:27:40 juggernaut (09C) | Spd: 15 (atk: 450%) | HD: 20 | HP: 158-185 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 120 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 7224 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 15:27:44 heh, what's lion in finnish? 15:27:55 leijona 15:27:57 and yes, i would prefer salmonsnakes 15:28:06 nobledeer! 15:28:09 awesome! 15:28:25 until boring finns started just using the loanword that is :( 15:28:43 just too many fins in here 15:28:44 -!- zkyp has left ##crawl-dev 15:28:44 heh 15:29:58 -!- stanzill has quit [Changing host] 15:36:23 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 15:36:47 -!- bel has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:43:36 -!- Prozacelf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 15:54:30 -!- debo_ has joined ##crawl-dev 15:56:26 -!- debo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04:52 -!- debo_ is now known as debo 16:06:43 -!- Xeta has joined ##crawl-dev 16:06:50 Can anyone help me set up the compiler? 16:07:43 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:11:46 -!- neunon has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 16:11:53 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 16:12:56 -!- neunon has joined ##crawl-dev 16:14:14 -!- TangoBravo has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:18:16 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:19:31 -!- CcS is now known as CacoS 16:19:50 Xeta: Are you on windows? You need help setting up Git for Windows SDK? 16:21:34 -!- Dixlet has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:22:16 -!- bel has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:22:23 I am on windows. Previously I would just install msysgit, win-builds.org package manager, clone the gitorious and it would work. 16:22:29 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 16:23:59 Somewhere between February and now; gitorious got absorbed into github, msysgit turned into the Git for Windows SDK 2.0, and I guess something in the dependencies in the repo/makefile changed. 16:24:18 Xeta: yes, we've updated INSTALL.txt with instructions 16:24:21 have you seen those? 16:24:33 -!- kuniqs has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:24:39 but we now recommend git for windows SDK; it has recent gcc and msys2 16:25:05 Basically you can simply install it, and your should be able to compile your crawl repo "out of the box" 16:25:21 the only wrinkle is that you need to do 'start crawl' to launch the console version 16:25:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:25:48 I'll look over it again. I was trying msysGit-netinstall-1.9.5-preview20150319.exe and win-builds-1.5.0 but I'll check out the GfWSDK 2.0 16:26:05 yeah that's the old approach, we no longer recommend it 16:26:23 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 16:26:30 but we only very recently learned of the change, so feedback is welcome and feel free to ask if you have trouble 16:27:21 %git 16:27:21 07gammafunk02 * 0.17-a0-1767-gccbed74: Don't always store boolean variables in c_persist as true 10(3 hours ago, 1 file, 2+ 6-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/ccbed74ba74b 16:27:56 !tell elliptic Not sure if you saw in channel, but you should be aware of ccbed74 (I've cherry-picked for 0.16 as well) 16:27:56 gammafunk: OK, I'll let elliptic know. 16:28:37 It's elliptic's entry in epic_bugs, although I bet there's very little fallout 16:29:10 Ashenzari Knowledge Transfer false skill anouncement 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9939 by Le_Nerd 16:31:35 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 16:32:20 -!- vale_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:32:28 -!- bel has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:34:15 <|amethyst> Not really sure what to do about that... making it give the message only at 24.0 seems weird if you drop from 24.1 16:34:46 <|amethyst> I guess you could say "decreases below level ${N+1}" but that's weird too 16:35:10 Your base dodging skill is now somewhere between 24 and 25! 16:50:38 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:51:09 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:52:28 man the github servers for the sdk download are sloooow 16:53:21 averaging 120KB/s 16:56:06 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 16:59:14 <|amethyst> Could troll the mathematicians: You base dodging skill is now 24.̄9! 16:59:27 -!- Cacophony has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:59:41 -!- Cacophony has quit [Changing host] 17:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:02:21 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:03:34 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:09:18 -!- Sharkman1231 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:14:38 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 17:19:22 -!- Vidiny has quit [] 17:19:27 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:19:27 -!- nvos has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:22:59 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:27:29 -!- CacoS has quit [] 17:29:34 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:35:59 .jugged 17:36:00 10. FFF the Acrobat (L25 MfGl of Okawaru), annihilated by a juggernaut (kmap: minmay_cut_squares) on Depths:4 on 2015-09-05 16:20:57, with 514007 points after 72444 turns and 4:25:09. 17:36:04 .jugged x=dam 17:36:05 10. [dam=84] FFF the Acrobat (L25 MfGl of Okawaru), annihilated by a juggernaut (kmap: minmay_cut_squares) on Depths:4 on 2015-09-05 16:20:57, with 514007 points after 72444 turns and 4:25:09. 17:36:11 .jugged -tv 17:36:12 10. FFF, XL25 MfGl, T:72444 requested for FooTV: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 17:36:36 .jugged x=src 17:36:38 10. [src=cwz] FFF the Acrobat (L25 MfGl of Okawaru), annihilated by a juggernaut (kmap: minmay_cut_squares) on Depths:4 on 2015-09-05 16:20:57, with 514007 points after 72444 turns and 4:25:09. 17:36:44 got to remember to check that 17:36:46 .jugged -log 17:36:47 10. FFF, XL25 MfGl, T:72444: http://webzook.net:82/morgue/trunk/FFF/morgue-FFF-20150905-162057.txt 17:43:32 -!- debo has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:45:15 gammafunk: what is this madness, it compiled 17:45:35 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 17:47:35 Webtiles server stopped. 17:47:36 vkvd (L3 OpTm) (D:2) 17:47:37 hyperborean (L19 SpWn) (Vaults:1) 17:47:38 Maels (L10 SpEn) (D:9) 17:47:39 reaver (L14 NaBe) (D:12) 17:47:40 Barf (L16 DgIE) (Shoals:3) 17:47:42 acoo (L19 FoSk) (Snake:4) 17:47:44 Gorgormcgor (L7 SpEn) (D:4) 17:47:47 FDAapproved (L6 MiFi) (D:4) 17:47:49 ProzacElf (L7 DsEE) (D:6) 17:47:52 Hobbes (L22 DEWz) (Vaults:4) 17:47:54 jasper (L13 MiBe) (Lair:2) 17:47:56 penismuncher (L27 NaWr) (Depths:4) 17:47:59 drugrobin (L2 DgWr) (D:1) 17:48:00 filthyDubstepDrop (L22 SpEn) (Slime:5) 17:48:08 huh? 17:48:26 well, cszo has been acting funky for a couple hours now it seems like 17:52:23 Xeta: you mean crawl compiled? 17:52:30 Yes. Thanks. 17:52:33 oh, np 17:53:01 yeah cszo seems to be down 17:54:36 |amethyst: ping. Is cszo getting a reboot? 17:55:31 -!- |amethyst has quit [Quit: client timed out] 17:55:46 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:55:47 rip 17:55:52 yeah rip 17:57:35 -!- nvos has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:01:09 Unstable branch on crawl.lantea.net updated to: 0.17-a0-1767-gccbed74 (34) 18:01:26 -!- imaginarythomas has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02:16 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:02:20 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:04:16 -!- CacoS has quit [] 18:09:48 -!- Evablue has quit [Quit: Evablue] 18:15:44 -!- Mekanik has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:16:25 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:17:57 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 18:18:01 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:26:43 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:35:19 -!- Zeia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:38:27 -!- tabstorm has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:40:24 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:40:54 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 18:42:24 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:42:54 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44:48 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 18:48:28 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:55:09 so currently people on tavern are debating whether a spriggan should learn necromutation to avoid hunger 18:55:47 the argument in favor is that sp has a +3 transmutations aptitude 18:56:04 however, another poster brings up the point that casting necromutation has a large spell hunger cost 18:56:19 I was about to point out sky did this like five years ago 18:56:27 that last part is nothing short of amazing 19:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:01:03 please factor |energy into the analyses as well as gourmand 19:05:21 gourmand is OP for Sp. maybe it shouldn't be allowed 19:07:36 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:08:00 well thats why you just keep necromutation going so only the initial hunger cost matters 19:08:13 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 19:08:46 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12:43 simmarine: this is not the quality of analysis i've come to expect from tavern 19:12:54 !lg sysadmin 19:12:54 1. sysadmin the Skirmisher (L4 HOFi), slain by Sigmund (a +0 scythe) on D:2 on 2015-08-11 02:09:19, with 78 points after 950 turns and 0:03:21. 19:12:58 :/ 19:13:01 I wonder if that fools anyone 19:13:18 well he just made it a while ago so I guess it's too early to tell 19:13:23 !lg unix 19:13:24 4. unix the Sneak (L4 VpAs), quit the game in Sewer (sewer_minmay_w) on 2014-05-26 12:11:51, with 229 points after 3456 turns and 0:14:16. 19:13:36 !lg windows 19:13:37 No games for windows. 19:13:41 !lg osx 19:13:41 No games for osx. 19:13:43 !lg mac 19:13:44 47. Mac the Stinger (L1 FeVM), slain by a jackal on D:1 (dpeg_arrival_shelter) on 2015-07-19 15:06:49, with 4 points after 35 turns and 0:00:42. 19:13:49 mac could be anything 19:18:01 -!- miserium has joined ##crawl-dev 19:18:32 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 19:19:55 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:24:16 -!- testtwice has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:25:41 ??is cszo down 19:25:42 1 hours, 37 minutes, 58 seconds since last activity (cszo) 19:27:23 !seen |amethyst 19:27:23 I last saw |amethyst at Sat Sep 5 21:55:31 2015 UTC (1h 31m 52s ago) quitting, saying 'Quit: client timed out'. 19:28:30 yeah it went kaput 19:28:36 and a bunch of games crashed 19:28:45 maybe their processes were killed 19:28:59 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:31:00 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:35:14 with cszo down, is there a way I can get a password reset on my cao account? I haven't used that one in years. 19:35:44 cszo is down? :( :( :( 19:35:56 I'm having trouble ssh'ing, but that might just be my own ineptitude 19:36:20 huh, yeah. I get to login, but I can't login 19:36:27 webtiles just gives back a connection refused 19:36:27 It's probably an isp issue; players were reporting a ton of lag before it went down 19:36:41 it rejects the crawl username 19:36:57 oh, so it does 19:37:27 I can't connect as an admin on ssh 19:37:30 yeah apache is working on dobrazupra 19:37:47 * dobrazupa 19:38:21 oh, hey, I got in 19:38:26 |amethsyt dropped from the channel due to timeout 19:38:35 back when all this started 19:38:49 So I wouldn't worry about it until he rejoins 19:39:17 Webtiles server restarted. 19:39:17 I'm restarting webtiles 19:39:37 :D 19:39:47 I'm not sure it's wise to do that but ok 19:39:54 Tiles is back up though 19:40:19 ssh is still rejected, and we don't know what happened (and |amethyst dropped from channel) 19:40:37 not to mention a bunch of games crashed before it went down 19:42:32 even with cszo up, is there someone here that can reset my cao password anyway? 19:42:42 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43:48 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44:22 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 19:45:48 miserium: is the email on file valid? you can reset it via ssh 19:46:03 oh really? it should be... lemme try that 19:46:10 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:46:15 oh sorry 19:46:20 I guess you can only change if you can log in 19:46:22 so never mind 19:47:02 lol yeah just tried, saw I couldn't then saw your message 19:47:14 hehe, sorry about that 19:47:18 maybe bh has access to cao? 19:47:19 gammafunk: really? you should be able to reset a password via ssh without being able to log into the account, right? what is the point otherwise? 19:47:20 ??cao 19:47:21 cao[1/2]: Crawl server, located in Phoenix, AZ. USA, http://crawl.akrasiac.org/ or crawl.akrasiac.org ssh port 22 ssh-username:joshua ssh-password: joshua. Runs the latest stable release, trunk, and robotfindskitten. Further information on the website and ??putty entries for Windows users. Also see http://crawl.develz.org/wordpress/howto 19:47:40 amalloy: I mean have it send via email; this isn't the ssh user we're talking about, after all :) 19:47:52 the ssh user is just "crawl" with a public password/key 19:47:54