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[src=cwz] tls9540 the Hoplite (L24 DDFi of Makhleb), mangled by a juggernaut on Depths:4 (minmay_three_patterns) on 2015-09-03 17:23:36, with 557765 points after 46269 turns and 3:23:32. 00:40:39 dangit 00:40:42 .jugged -log 00:40:43 7. tls9540, XL24 DDFi, T:46269: http://webzook.net:82/morgue/trunk/tls9540/morgue-tls9540-20150903-172336.txt 00:41:30 wow...that plate mail 00:41:43 that is definitely an instance of something thinking "it's an artefact, so it's good" 00:41:51 and ratskin cloak 00:42:16 four winds as well, which is not very useful on that character 00:47:23 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 00:51:10 -!- ythm has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:52:28 -!- Tags has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 01:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02:05 Unstable branch on crawl.s-z.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857 (34) 01:02:08 -!- WalrusKing__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:07:58 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:11:30 -!- rast has joined ##crawl-dev 01:15:43 -!- GauHelldragon2 is now known as GauHelldragon 01:18:10 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:18:49 Unstable branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857 (34) 01:21:05 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 01:26:14 -!- Moanerette has quit [Quit: Page closed] 01:27:23 -!- dtsund has quit [Quit: dtsund] 01:29:48 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:34:57 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:35:24 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:37:16 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 01:38:37 -!- Dixlet has joined ##crawl-dev 01:46:52 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 01:50:14 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 01:53:16 Windows builds of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857 01:55:19 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:57:52 -!- vale_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:58:22 -!- Undo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:04:10 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 02:09:06 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 02:22:31 -!- pwyll has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:23:00 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 02:23:05 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:28:55 -!- Brannock has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:28:56 -!- copt has quit [] 02:30:56 -!- filthy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:31:37 -!- Siveran has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:39:51 -!- mibe has quit [Quit: Page closed] 02:41:43 -!- bonghitz has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:50:00 Monster database of master branch on crawl.develz.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857 02:55:56 -!- lobf has quit [Quit: lobf] 03:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:05:49 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:06:47 -!- Kalir has quit [Quit: CADENZA-CLASS CLOCKWORK KNIGHT--OPERATION TERMINATED] 03:08:02 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:11:51 Unstable branch on crawl.beRotato.org updated to: 0.17-a0-1763-g847a857 (34) 03:16:43 -!- st_ has joined ##crawl-dev 03:25:07 -!- simmarine has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26:59 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 03:34:19 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40:00 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:41:13 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:42:55 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:43:27 -!- Blazinghand has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:57:24 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:07:15 -!- gggggggg has quit [Client Quit] 04:15:32 -!- st_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:15:38 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:17:42 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 04:19:33 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 04:19:37 -!- Dixlet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:20:36 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 04:25:41 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:28:37 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 04:32:15 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 04:32:27 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:35:08 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:35:09 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 04:36:06 -!- clouded_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36:30 -!- clouded_ has joined ##crawl-dev 04:37:14 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 04:38:45 -!- UncertainKitten has quit [Quit: Connection reset by pier.] 04:50:02 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:52:45 -!- Elynae has quit [Client Quit] 05:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05:07 -!- ololoev has quit [Quit: Page closed] 05:15:55 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 05:20:28 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 05:24:13 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:28:46 -!- MarvinPA has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:29:32 -!- siepu has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:35:53 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:46:26 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:57:21 -!- Yermak has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:06:52 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 06:10:32 -!- mopl has quit [Client Quit] 06:13:52 has there been any discussion on only expressing player hp as a percentage? 06:13:59 i couldn't find anything in the dev wiki 06:20:17 that seems like kind of awkward obfuscation 06:20:33 also makes spirit shield confusing 06:21:41 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 06:25:28 is it any more awkward than not showing monster hp? of monster damage, monster hp, player damage, and player hp, player hp is the only visible number ingame 06:26:03 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:26:35 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:26:44 spirit shield could be an issue though 06:31:32 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 06:42:12 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:55:07 -!- qoala has quit [Quit: Abscond!] 06:55:58 !messages 06:55:59 No messages for TZer0. 07:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:00:20 -!- MarvinPA has joined ##crawl-dev 07:01:43 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:03:14 -!- Foamed has quit [Quit: RIP] 07:07:27 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:11:49 -!- Finwe^ has quit [Client Quit] 07:14:44 -!- Finwe^ has quit [Client Quit] 07:17:41 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 07:40:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:40:50 -!- Zeia has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48:22 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 07:48:49 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 07:54:01 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:02:40 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 08:08:57 Polymorphed monsters still use old spells. 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9934 by Ololoev 08:12:07 -!- Pacra has joined ##crawl-dev 08:13:23 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:15:18 -!- Prozacelf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:15:45 -!- Prozacelf is now known as ProzacElf 08:22:07 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:23:31 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Po-ta-to, boil em, mash em, stick em in a stew.] 08:23:48 -!- siepu_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:31:14 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 08:35:16 -!- AlphaQ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39:12 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:40:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 08:42:20 if i report every post on tavern can you guys just shut it down for good? =p 08:42:49 that would just result in a massive influx of redditors and what have you 08:42:53 is that what you really want 08:43:30 -!- dgu404 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:46:42 wait. an influx into reddit or an influx of redditors into here? 08:46:51 both 08:49:09 heh 08:49:40 no, i suppose i'll just continue ignoring tavern =P 08:51:53 i just think it's funny that so many people can get so uptight about a game that people are providing to you for free, and updating regularly 08:52:26 solution: add premium content so people can complain about that instead 08:52:36 hahaha 08:52:49 i'm on board 08:53:16 $5 to enter zot 08:53:23 then i'll just play cratecrawl 08:53:25 -P 08:55:22 as long as you make sure some of the stuff alters gameplay (ie $1 to not spawn any adders until d3) you can rest assured most of the crap threads will be replaced with conspiracy ones 08:55:42 how premium players get better rng and so forth 08:58:20 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:58:52 heh 08:58:55 even better 08:59:12 or maybe races/backgrounds you can buy or grind, that's even better 08:59:19 lol 08:59:25 it's not p2win because you can get it for free! 08:59:37 you have to win with NaCK b4 you can get anything else 08:59:54 all xom all the time baby 09:00:04 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:00:31 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 09:00:32 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 09:00:43 -!- tealeaves has quit [Client Quit] 09:05:35 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 09:06:17 -!- BlackGyver has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:14:48 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 09:16:38 unknown monster: "juggernaut" 09:16:38 %??juggernaut 09:16:41 @??juggernaut 09:16:41 juggernaut (09C) | Spd: 15 (atk: 450%) | HD: 20 | HP: 158-185 | AC/EV: 20/10 | Dam: 120 | 10doors, fighter, see invisible | Res: 06magic(120), 12drown | XP: 7224 | Sz: Giant | Int: human. 09:16:55 @??frederick 09:16:55 Frederick (03@) | Spd: 10 | HD: 21 | HP: 159 | AC/EV: 10/7 | Dam: 27 | 10weapons, 10items, 10doors, spellcaster, see invisible | Res: 06magic(140) | XP: 5283 | Sp: mystic blast (3d25), b.cold (3d30), spellforged servitor, iron shot (3d36) | Sz: Medium | Int: human. 09:17:05 * wheals wonders when we get to see frederick the juggernaut 09:17:11 @?? juggernaut skeleton 09:17:11 juggernaut skeleton (15Z) | Spd: 13 | HD: 20 | HP: 128-156 | AC/EV: 14/3 | Dam: 116 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(26), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1426 | Sz: Giant | Int: brainless. 09:17:22 i guess with MR 140 he won't be polyd very easily 09:17:40 I use vulnpoly on weird things sometiems 09:18:03 -!- tealeaves has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:27:56 -!- danharaj has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:30:44 could definitely do that to juggernauts 09:33:42 -!- foophykins has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:37:23 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:43:07 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 09:51:36 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 09:59:53 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:08:01 //Nail all items to the ground. 10:08:28 I always thought it was glue 10:08:46 -!- Nerem has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:09:32 oh, or does that even refer to corpses 10:15:02 -!- stanzill is now known as stanzwecha 10:18:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:19:33 -!- teukkam has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:30:34 -!- stanzwecha is now known as stanzill 10:46:51 @??caustic shrike skeleton 10:46:52 caustic shrike skeleton (15Z) | Spd: 18 | HD: 18 | HP: 108-141 | AC/EV: 2/11 | Dam: 32 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1440 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 10:46:58 man, derived undead have tiny MR -- 26 for a juggernaut skeleton? And people say confuse isn't a good spell... 10:47:12 @?? caustic shrike zombie 10:47:12 caustic shrike zombie (07Z) | Spd: 18 | HD: 18 | HP: 133-171 | AC/EV: 6/13 | Dam: 32 | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(24), 02cold++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 08holy++ | XP: 1616 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 10:49:47 that's because it isn't 10:49:58 there's one good (single school) hex and it's called invis 10:50:50 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:53:02 and the only reason it's a hex is giving charms both spells would've been silly 10:53:12 haste and invis that is 10:56:48 -!- Brannock has joined ##crawl-dev 10:57:07 <|amethyst> looks like wheals beat me to it on reddit 10:57:51 |amethyst: i was hoping you could write a guest article on --edit-save, as the Save Master :) 10:57:52 <|amethyst> which is good, because answering the FAQ Friday thread on Saturday or Sunday might have been gauche :) 10:57:59 s/article/paragraph 11:00:01 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01:07 <|amethyst> There are a few other things I might talk about: when do we save (weirdness like Jiyva offlevel consumption); what isn't saved (monster and item base properties); uncancellables; and maybe some of the adventures in preserving 11:01:49 sounds good (I did give uncancels a passing mention with the acquirement prompt, but more depth can't hurt) 11:01:59 and i didn't even mention the name 11:03:05 i'm looking forward to reading ais523's response too, since NH4 has gone through at least 3 different systems (vanilla, nitro, current) and still is getting changes 11:15:22 kvaak: 3 mana to effectively kill a monster is really good! 11:18:00 Granted, not as good as 6 mana to kill all the monsters, but that's another topic 11:20:37 * kvaak resists Lasty_'s argument with almost no effort. 11:21:15 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 11:21:50 . . . ouch 11:36:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:37:05 -!- vfoley has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:42:52 -!- Voker57 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:44:44 -!- Daekdroom has quit [Quit: Leaving] 11:53:02 -!- Tux[Qyou] has joined ##crawl-dev 11:55:40 -!- djinni has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55:43 -!- dustinm` has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:56:34 -!- djinni has joined ##crawl-dev 11:56:49 -!- dustinm` has joined ##crawl-dev 11:58:27 fr: note stat shuffle 11:58:35 -!- stanzill has quit [Quit: au rev] 12:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00:17 i thought that got removed a while ago 12:00:27 it was? 12:00:31 %git :/[Ss]huffle 12:00:31 07PleasingFungus02 * 0.17-a0-1280-g2d724e7: Shuffle around some COMPILE_CHECKs 10(3 months ago, 3 files, 5+ 5-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/2d724e707932 12:01:06 %git :/[Ss]tat.*[Jj]iyva 12:01:07 07gammafunk02 * 0.15-a0-777-g145deba: Remove player burden and carrying capacity. 10(1 year, 4 months ago, 35 files, 120+ 314-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/145deba1e052 12:01:14 er 12:03:41 oh, jiyva 12:05:39 -!- LexAckson has joined ##crawl-dev 12:06:12 Lasty_: |amethyst: someone thankful for orb spiders/entropy weavers on tavern :) 12:06:29 oh yeah, the card hasn't been around for a while 12:11:19 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 12:12:12 -!- dpeg_ has joined ##crawl-dev 12:12:15 Cheers! 12:12:36 hail, dpeg 12:12:54 -!- SurpriseTRex has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:12:59 I didn't play recent trunk, just one quick question: now that 'a' always shows the ability menu, we have an UI inconsistency, because 'r', 'z' etc. do not. Is this intentional? 12:13:04 ??azure jelly 12:13:04 azure jelly[1/1]: Fast moving jelly that hits very hard with multiple cold damage attacks. Frail characters need cold resistance and must avoid melee contact. Azure jellies are vulnerable to fire, and are in fact only rC+. 12:13:14 I'm fairly sure r does 12:13:20 sorry, yes 12:13:22 z does not 12:13:39 so I guess we had this inconsistency all the time... guess I don't mind then :) 12:13:54 that sounds fairly annoying, is there an option to move it back to a? 12:14:01 er, a? ? 12:14:02 z being fixed will make it even more obvious that it's annoying 12:14:26 an rcfile option would be good 12:14:26 rchandra: you say that current a is annoying? 12:14:30 yes, very 12:14:59 the screen flashes. it'd be much worse with z on conjuring types 12:15:16 yes, my main worry was the change of mental focus 12:15:47 if we didn't use so many stupid commands, we could have 'a' for ability prompt (no menu) and 'A' for ability menu etc. 12:16:12 @??azure jelly 12:16:13 azure jelly (12J) | Spd: 12 | HD: 15 | HP: 68-101 | AC/EV: 5/10 | Dam: 1212(cold:15-44), 1212(cold:15-44), 12, 12 | 04eats items, see invisible, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(80), 02cold, 10elec, 03poison, 08acid+++, 08blind, 12drown | Vul: 04fire | XP: 1888 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 12:17:12 -!- rossi_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:17:36 the cold damage is on top of the 12? I.e. maximal total damage against a naked character without rC+ or rC- is 12+12+12+12+44+44 = 136? 12:18:01 yes 12:18:04 thanks! 12:18:23 af_cold id applied only if the initial 12 does nonzero damage though 12:18:29 *is 12:18:34 -!- Twiggytwiggytwig has quit [Quit: See ya guys later ;)] 12:19:16 so I guess a bat with a million af_cold couldn't still scratch a deep dwarf :b 12:20:00 haha 12:20:21 @??bat simulacrum hd:100 12:20:21 bat simulacrum (12Z) | Spd: 28 | HD: 100 | HP: 513-599 | AC/EV: 0/9 | Dam: 112(cold:100-299) | 07undead, evil, unbreathing | Res: 06magic(133), 12cold+++, 09poison+++, 12drown, 04rot+++, 13neg+++, 13torm | Vul: 04fire, 08holy++ | XP: 179916 | Sz: tiny | Int: brainless. 12:20:44 good dam 12:20:49 felidbane 12:22:49 -!- dtsund has joined ##crawl-dev 12:25:05 -!- infrasho1tfoo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:26:14 the bat simulacrum can mangle monster DD. is player DD different? 12:26:43 !streak dpeg 12:26:48 dpeg has 3 consecutive wins (MuNe, CeHu, HESk), and can keep going! 12:27:13 wow. that streak is probably dangerous for the playerbase 12:27:54 !won . s=god 12:27:55 No games for dpeg_. 12:28:52 Gozag's been buffed, so it's getting easier and easier, too! 12:33:33 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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custom css options for webtiles 15:39:57 nonono, a wavy rainbow effect 15:43:24 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:47:05 If it doesn't kill people, it's non-existent. 15:48:04 dpeg_: are you doing your minmay impression? 15:49:47 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 15:51:19 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:53:45 -!- Tux[Qyou] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:54:15 wheals: no. I mean that a monster (or a vault etc.) that's only furniture is a bad monster. If it kills, players complain but we should be happy. 15:54:28 i know, just kidding around :) 15:54:53 it's the kind of exaggeration he uses in his rhetorical style a ot 15:54:55 lot 15:55:25 and obviously, if it really doesn't kill anyone, or help anyone, it is bad to keep it around 15:55:28 .jugged 15:55:29 9. sdynet the Imperceptible (L27 KoAs of Okawaru), annihilated by a juggernaut skeleton on Zig:14 (ziggurat_pillar_centre_l) on 2015-09-04 12:43:25, with 690182 points after 74939 turns and 9:33:25. 15:55:39 !lg * killer=juggernaut 15:55:40 2. tls9540 the Hoplite (L24 DDFi of Makhleb), mangled by a juggernaut on Depths:4 (minmay_three_patterns) on 2015-09-03 17:23:36, with 557765 points after 46269 turns and 3:23:32. 15:56:33 er, s/or help anyone/help anything kil anyone/ 15:56:39 -!- wheals has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:58:08 just give all monsters the ability to wield weapons 15:58:32 that way anything can have disto or elec! 15:59:12 Sounds good to me! 16:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:07:29 -!- Vizer__ is now known as Vizer 16:13:29 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 16:14:18 -!- wHATEver is now known as Guest35110 16:15:16 -!- gammafun1 has joined ##crawl-dev 16:15:35 %git :/modifier 16:15:35 07wheals02 * 0.17-a0-1754-gcb87171: Inherit energy modifiers in derived undead (Lasty). 10(2 days ago, 1 file, 1+ 1-) 13https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/cb87171553a7 16:16:04 -!- murphy_slaw has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:05 -!- NeremWorld has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:05 -!- myp has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:05 -!- swartzcr has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:07 -!- predator117 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:07 -!- Sage1234 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:07 -!- gammafunk has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:07 -!- hypermatt has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:08 -!- dgu404 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:08 -!- abra0 has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:16:25 -!- hypermatt has joined ##crawl-dev 16:17:36 -!- abra0_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:21:24 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 16:30:35 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 16:38:38 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 16:40:55 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 16:52:42 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 16:57:20 is enemy spriggans wearing plate a feature or a bug? 16:58:31 -!- serq has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:59:59 bug 17:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:00:11 a known one although I'm not sure if there's a ticket about it 17:00:37 can't recall what causes it so if you can't find a ticket on mantis you should probably make one 17:01:55 i am looking through the code that is supposed to make it impossible, now 17:03:15 man, who writes -'ve instead of negative? it is harder to read and i can't imagine it's easier to write 17:04:04 god to save those linebreaks... 17:04:08 s/god/got/ 17:04:17 -!- dtsund has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:04:32 gammafun1: sadly no, this is in a 50-column line 17:04:44 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:27 Maybe you need to think more +'vely about this 17:05:30 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:05:38 -!- staplegun has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:05:42 that's the next line, by the way. it has +'ve 17:05:55 -!- n1k has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:01 !function _fit_armour_size 17:06:01 1/1. https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/source/itemprop.cc#l1455 17:06:03 -!- Doesnt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:06:12 -!- n1k has joined ##crawl-dev 17:06:36 -!- n1k is now known as Guest95541 17:06:44 -!- TAS_2012v has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07:30 -!- TAS_2012v has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:01 -!- mopl has quit [Quit: Page closed] 17:08:02 -!- Twinge has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:08:03 -!- Kanbei has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:08:13 -!- Twinge has joined ##crawl-dev 17:08:49 -!- Zannick has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 17:09:12 -!- Smello has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:09:20 -!- Krakhan has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:09:46 -!- Zannick has joined ##crawl-dev 17:10:45 -!- Lasty has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 17:10:52 -!- elliptic has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:10:58 -!- Krakhan has quit [Changing host] 17:11:09 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 17:11:41 -!- Lasty has joined ##crawl-dev 17:13:33 -!- GauHelldragon has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:13:58 -!- GauHelldragon2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:15:01 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 17:18:44 enemy spriggan wearing plate 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9935 by rchandra 17:19:55 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 17:20:48 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 17:24:04 -!- ProzacElf has quit [Quit: HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- It'll be on slashdot one day...] 17:26:21 -!- wheals has joined ##crawl-dev 17:26:33 |amethyst: the logs appear to be broken 17:36:57 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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I thught all that was fixed after wanderer can no longer start with QS + shielf 18:35:30 *shield 18:35:54 -!- copt has quit [] 18:35:59 -!- captainkraft has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:36:31 -!- bel has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:36:58 <|amethyst> That only works if they get the weapon first 18:37:08 <|amethyst> but now they get the armour first 18:37:19 <|amethyst> I guess 18:37:49 <|amethyst> 0.16 doesn't let you pick spears for SpFi 18:37:55 <|amethyst> s/spears/spear/ 18:37:57 <|amethyst> hm 18:39:26 <|amethyst> oh, that check is gone now? 18:39:26 i think making spriggan riders unusually strong or well-trained, able to wield a spear one-handed, is more reasonable than making them unusually large, so that they somehow fit into plate armour 18:39:49 <|amethyst> and the storm bow? 18:39:55 <|amethyst> it's taller than they are 18:40:02 <|amethyst> by quite a bit 18:40:11 i don't know anything about any dang storm bow 18:40:12 <|amethyst> I guess a spear taller than the wielder isn't too unusual 18:40:40 <|amethyst> but three or four times as big might be a bit much 18:40:57 a spear is a large stick, unless the shaft is so thick you can't properly grip it you can probably use it, sort of 18:41:34 but if you're less than half the size of a human you'd have a hard time wearing plate armour for hu-men 18:42:37 <|amethyst> that's fine, but we'd need a system for weapon wieldability that isn't based on size 18:43:10 <|amethyst> some people have proposed, and I might be misremembering this slightly, just making weapons "one handed" and "two handed" and leave it at that 18:43:53 The real question is: do we think that restricting things by size is good for something? (Serious question.) 18:44:03 E.g. beefing up Og/Tr with large rocks... 18:44:25 <|amethyst> beefing up Og/Tr with plate armour 18:45:22 -!- emikaela has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:45:34 <|amethyst> but I guess they can wear PDA etc anyway, so... 18:46:10 so can spriggans :p 18:46:28 I don't know... giving large rocks to everyone seems too strong, but I am not good at this. 18:47:39 <|amethyst> no one would ever voluntarily use a great mace again :) 18:47:48 -!- foophykins has quit [Quit: Page closed] 18:48:06 <|amethyst> well, maybe for +2 accuracy in some obscure set of circumstances? 18:48:20 I think restricting things by size is good, but having sp different from ha/ko is pointless 18:48:23 <|amethyst> of course, numbers can be adjusted 18:48:51 -!- elliptic has joined ##crawl-dev 18:49:39 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:50:58 rchandra: yes, might be reasonable 18:51:05 would be good to know what elliptic thinks 18:51:08 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 18:55:33 -!- Cheibriados has joined ##crawl-dev 18:55:33 -!- The topic of ##crawl-dev is: Crawl Development | Logs: http://s-z.org/crawl-dev/ | People with +v have commit access. | Please keep general Crawl-related chat to ##crawl. | Dev wiki: http://crawl.develz.org/wiki | Long stuff to a pastebin service, please. 18:55:34 -!- The topic of ##crawl is: Play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup online now! Type ??servers for instructions. | http://crawl.develz.org | FooTV: http://termcast.develz.org - ??footv for instructions | See also ##crawl-offtopic 18:55:44 <|amethyst> test 18:55:55 <|amethyst> okay, logs are "fixed" 18:55:59 <|amethyst> (renamed to .lg) 18:57:38 huh, I never realized gc has higher damage and lower delay than great mace 18:58:07 you could also just remove player ogres and g(s)cs 18:59:03 -!- Zekka has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:00:14 kvaak: I am very happy with monsters using giant clubs 19:00:24 monsters can keep them 19:01:07 why woul you remove the most fun race 19:01:22 -!- siepu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:01:35 because a race that is big with +3 fighting, +3 maces and -3 everything else (except spc because reasons) is not very interesting 19:01:47 lies 19:02:04 making that race the only one in the game able to wield the two best base types doesn't help 19:02:14 making choices is for wussies 19:02:14 ogre book combos are so much fun 19:02:41 <|amethyst> it's not the only one 19:02:58 yes it is because no-one uses them on tr ever 19:03:00 <|amethyst> I'd say trolls are worse 19:03:09 they are 19:03:09 you could remove them from trolls and no-one would probably notice for several months 19:03:22 <|amethyst> because they come with a weapon so good they don't even *want* to use the biggest weapon in the game 19:03:55 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:06:57 -!- Patashu has joined ##crawl-dev 19:07:54 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 19:09:40 -!- ToraX_ has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:10:34 kvaak: this is wrong, and you know it :) 19:10:44 which part 19:11:52 <|amethyst> !lg * tr / sk~~^Maces 19:11:53 5947/147910 games for * (tr): N=5947/147910 (4.02%) 19:12:00 <|amethyst> !lg * tr won / sk~~^Maces 19:12:01 26/1172 games for * (tr won): N=26/1172 (2.22%) 19:12:30 <|amethyst> not *many* people would notice 19:12:35 <|amethyst> good players probably wouldn't 19:12:50 -!- CcS has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:13:17 !lg * tr recent / sk~~maces 19:13:19 1795/51026 games for * (tr recent): N=1795/51026 (3.52%) 19:13:25 I've noticed another weird thing about equipment and size, though I don't know if there's a problem 19:13:26 !lg * tr recent won / sk~~maces 19:13:27 10/497 games for * (tr recent won): N=10/497 (2.01%) 19:13:41 large races have less SH from shields 19:13:54 because nobody gets more Shields than they need except for titles 19:14:31 -!- LexAckson has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:15:54 <|amethyst> if they don't need the extra SH, I don't really see the problem 19:16:39 -!- debo has joined ##crawl-dev 19:17:00 <|amethyst> by the same argument, weapons of speed should do extra damage 19:17:04 <|amethyst> err 19:17:18 rchandra: is this true? You could also see this as: they have another xp sink (relevant for melee builds) because of the higher SH potential 19:17:19 <|amethyst> I guess small weapons of speed 19:17:47 yes, yuo can see it as they have a bonus - not needing to get the Shields 19:18:13 it's just weird. note that non-Fo have bad shields apt, at least partly because they don't actually need much skill 19:18:58 <|amethyst> !apt shields 19:18:58 Shields: Mi: 2!, Fo: 2!, Gr: 1, Ha: 1, DD: 1, HO: 1, Hu: 0, Te: 0, Mf: 0, Op: 0, Dr: 0, Fe: N/A, VS: -1, Og: -1, Gh: -1, Dg: -1, HE: -1, Ds: -1, Vp: -1, Mu: -2, Tr: -2, Na: -2, Ko: -2, DE: -2, Sp: -3*, Ce: -3* 19:18:59 <|amethyst> ? 19:19:12 of the large races - Ce, Og, Tr, Na, Fo 19:19:17 <|amethyst> huh? 19:19:22 <|amethyst> what makes Fo a large race? 19:19:31 they use shields like a large race 19:19:34 <|amethyst> ah 19:19:56 <|amethyst> !apt na 19:19:56 Na: Fighting: 0, Short: 0, Long: 0, Axes: 0, Maces: 0, Polearms: 0, Staves: 0, Slings: -1, Bows: -1, Xbows: -1, Throw: -1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -2, Stealth: 5!, Shields: -2, UC: 0, Splcast: -1, Conj: 0, Hexes: 0, Charms: 0, Summ: 0, Nec: 0, Tloc: 0, Tmut: 0, Fire: 0, Ice: 0, Air: 0, Earth: 0, Poison: 3!, Inv: 1, Evo: 0, Exp: 0, HP: 2, MP: 0 19:20:01 <|amethyst> !apt ce 19:20:01 Ce: Fighting: 0, Short: -1, Long: -1, Axes: -1, Maces: -1, Polearms: -1, Staves: -1, Slings: 1, Bows: 3!, Xbows: 1, Throw: 3!, Armour: -3*, Dodge: -3*, Stealth: -3, Shields: -3*, UC: 0, Splcast: -3, Conj: -1, Hexes: -1, Charms: -1, Summ: -1, Nec: -1, Tloc: -1, Tmut: -1, Fire: -1, Ice: -1, Air: -1, Earth: -1, Poison: -2, Inv: 1, Evo: -1, Exp: -1, HP: 1, MP: 0 19:20:06 <|amethyst> !apt og 19:20:06 Og: Fighting: 3!, Short: -4*, Long: -3*, Axes: -3*, Maces: 3!, Polearms: 0, Staves: -1, Slings: -3, Bows: -3, Xbows: -3, Throw: 1, Armour: -2, Dodge: -1, Stealth: -1, Shields: -1, UC: -1, Splcast: 1, Conj: -3*, Hexes: -3, Charms: -3, Summ: -3*, Nec: -3*, Tloc: -3*, Tmut: -3, Fire: -3*, Ice: -3*, Air: -3, Earth: -3*, Poison: -3*, Inv: 1, Evo: -2, Exp: 0, HP: 3!, MP: 0 19:20:11 Fo of ash with a cursed shield will just blow through the requirements :) 19:20:13 <|amethyst> I think that's just "they have bad defense" 19:21:11 -!- Utis has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:22:04 <|amethyst> If the extra SH from training shields, and likewise the extra damage from training weapon skills, are so irrelevant, maybe they should be removed for simplicity 19:22:23 <|amethyst> similarly damage from str 19:22:47 damage from str feels pretty relevant to me these days 19:23:09 the extra sh would be noticeable, but very expensive 19:23:49 -!- tealeaves has quit [Quit: Bye] 19:26:52 rchandra: but I think that is ok 19:27:08 if it is an option that's only sometimes relevant, it's good 19:27:17 -!- WalrusKing__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:28:42 sure. like I said originally, not at all sure it's a problem. just seemed odd. 19:29:30 -!- Red_Bucket has quit [Quit: Page closed] 19:31:15 -!- Bcadren has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:31:17 -!- Earlo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:32:21 yes, a bit counterintuitive 19:32:42 ... like those "drop your starting shield right away" Fighter guides 19:34:16 the best player in my group had a recent death which he attributed to lack of shield, and asserted that 2h weapons are bad. so there's definitely varied views now :) 19:35:09 I don't know why any sane person would do that ever 19:35:18 being stuck with one-handed weapons drives me crazy 19:35:22 unless it's arga or something 19:35:50 <|amethyst> that can be fixed 19:35:53 <|amethyst> double the effect of SH 19:35:56 a demon weapon or eveningstar/2sword is fine, but I'm with you. want more damage per tab usually 19:35:58 <|amethyst> now it's overpowered 19:36:36 if I find a good 1h + shield, I use that. if I'm pure melee, needs to be exceptional 1h+shield. 19:36:38 what good is sh when I need five hundred tabs to kill a dumb fireballing, malmutating ball of fire 19:36:53 although oddly enough my most pitiful char ever had a +9 flaming lajatang 19:37:01 I don't know why but good lord it just couldn't kill anything 19:37:14 then there was this mf that cleared tomb with a trident 19:37:16 -!- clouded_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:37:19 (not a demon trident) 19:37:25 crawl melee is weird 19:38:57 <|amethyst> or we could subtract one base damage from most of the 2H weapons 19:39:11 <|amethyst> then everyone would say you should never use a 2H weapon 19:39:26 <|amethyst> (that's how it was in 0.8ish) 19:44:00 -!- predator217 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:47:08 |amethyst: yes, many comments are too fixated on status quo 19:47:23 if you really wanted to make 2h worse, you could just make them rarer. already happened once and that was a noticeable effect imo 19:47:43 yet if you do find a great weapon of either handedness it pushes you that way 19:48:25 rchandra: rarity is not a very good balancing method, imo 19:48:29 <|amethyst> that's not making 2H weapons worse, but it would make shields better 19:51:01 <|amethyst> perhaps weapon skills should be more like sbl and staves 19:51:05 ooh, cruelty: a -base damage mutation like deformed body 19:51:30 <|amethyst> so that you can't just switch from 1H to 2H so easily 19:51:34 <|amethyst> (or vice versa) 19:52:57 <|amethyst> e.g. axes and polearms are all 2H, M+F and lbl all 1H 19:53:22 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 19:53:52 FR one-handed GSCs 19:53:53 |amethyst: that is an interesting idea! 19:54:35 <|amethyst> not sure it would work well when there are races like Mf and HO 19:55:09 -!- Xenobreeder has joined ##crawl-dev 19:55:50 <|amethyst> and not sure how it would work with size-based restrictions unless those are completely removed 19:55:57 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:55:59 <|amethyst> s/completely/mostly/ 19:56:50 <|amethyst> well, I guess it could just be "if you aren't big enough to use this weapon 1H, you can't use it at all" 19:57:21 <|amethyst> so just one min-wielder-size per weapon instead of two 19:57:25 -!- GauHelldragon3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:59:11 -!- tingol has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:03:10 IMO 1h and 2h weapons are really well balanced right now against one another 20:04:44 <|amethyst> I can only go by what people tell me 20:05:57 <|amethyst> and the impression I get from that is that anyone who uses a shield and hasn't yet found a demon weapon or eveningstar is stupid and should probably quit playing before they hurt themselves 20:05:59 I, personally, win a higher percentage of my one handed 3 melee games than my two handed melee games. Not by ots though. 20:07:00 i saw someone recommend using a shield on reddit this week 20:07:10 But if I haven't found a top tier one hander by the time I reach zot I'll probably drop the shield. 20:07:33 granted the guy already had a +3 large shield and had 21 Shields; they probably would have suggested he never train shields, but since he had using it was right 20:08:05 I like using large shields underskilled, actually. 25 is so much that I don't want to get it before like zot/extended. but often 15-20 is usable 20:09:13 -!- Voker57 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:20 -!- CKyle has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:09:53 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 20:10:10 -!- ontoclasm has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:13:10 -!- andre_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:13:36 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 20:15:59 -!- Pacra has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:27:51 <|amethyst> hm 20:34:15 Really, I just think shields need to be more common, and there should be some shield-only egos to make them sexier :) 20:34:56 (I guess other than reflection, which is lackluster) 20:35:27 -!- ProzacElf has joined ##crawl-dev 20:38:08 reflection is so hot with chei, and with tr (probably other large races) 20:39:01 protection should be replaced so you don't have two "protection" brnads doing different things 20:39:37 maybe rCorr as a shield brand? 20:41:16 Maybe, the first thing that popped into my head was rMsl. Second thing was a passive knockback (so when the mob hit you they got shoved back a space) 20:41:54 Siegurt: the shield ego "you can't hit dudes anymore"? 20:43:09 heh 20:43:22 it's the "use a dtrident with this shield" ego 20:43:26 Well, it'd be fantastic with a one handed polearm. :) 20:43:48 Also great with throwing and slings. 20:44:08 Like I said, just the first things that popped into my head. 20:48:58 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 20:53:05 -!- Foamed has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:56:31 -!- staplegun has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:58:40 -!- andre_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:00:18 -!- G-Flex has quit [Quit: Time for us to bug out.] 21:01:42 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:03:39 -!- G-Flex has joined ##crawl-dev 21:08:40 -!- Patashu has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:14:22 -!- mamgar has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:14:56 hey |amethyst, is it possible to directly reference rcfiles on s-z.org? I'm trying to pass my most updated rc to someone. 21:15:23 ??bots 21:15:23 bots[1/3]: Bots that can be pm'd: announcement bots: Henzell (CAO, !), Gretell (CDO, @), Sizzell (CSZO, %), Lantell (CLAN, $), Rotatell (CBRO, ^), Eksell (CXC, |); others: Varmin, Cheibriados (%), and Sequell (! ?? & and others) 21:15:27 %rc lasty 21:15:28 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/Lasty.rc 21:15:43 oh, I guess that is the newest one... 21:18:52 -!- dpeg_ has quit [Quit: sleeping] 21:19:31 -!- captainkraft has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:24:21 -!- Blazinghand has joined ##crawl-dev 21:29:46 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Client Quit] 21:39:25 !learn set gammafunkrc Set of Lua code files for randomizing player tiles, setting/loading default skill settings for new combos, setting skill targets, bread swinging, and others: https://github.com/gammafunk/dcss-rc 21:39:26 gammafunkrc[1/1]: Set of Lua code files for randomizing player tiles, setting/loading default skill settings for new combos, setting skill targets, bread swinging, and others: https://github.com/gammafunk/dcss-rc 21:39:59 !learn del random_tiles 21:39:59 That's easy, random_tiles doesn't even exist! 21:40:07 !learn del randomtiles 21:40:07 randomtiles has 2 entries, you can only delete one at a time. 21:40:13 !learn del randomtiles[1] 21:40:13 Deleted randomtiles[1/2]: Randomly and automatically change your player tile to various monster tiles. See instructions/code at https://github.com/gammafunk/dcss-rc#randomtiles 21:40:17 !learn del randomtiles[2] 21:40:17 randomtiles has only 1 entry. 21:40:19 -!- Svalin has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:40:20 !learn del randomtiles[1] 21:40:20 Deleted randomtiles[1/1]: On cszo you can include += RandomTiles.rc in your rc. Then add random_tile() to your rc's ready() function to enable. 21:42:26 -!- geekosaur has quit [Excess Flood] 21:42:45 -!- geekosaur has joined ##crawl-dev 22:00:02 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:01:43 -!- KurzedMetal has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:04:49 -!- Ladykiller70 has quit [Quit: Verlassend] 22:06:49 &rc dynast 22:06:51 http://dobrazupa.org/rcfiles/crawl-git/Dynast.rc 22:10:02 -!- reaverb has joined ##crawl-dev 22:12:08 -!- amalloy is now known as amalloy_ 22:14:03 -!- WalkerBoh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:16:01 <|amethyst> is it possible to do an IP ban for tavern only, without affecting other things on CDO? 22:21:32 -!- ontoclasm has joined ##crawl-dev 22:30:25 -!- CKyle has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:34:18 only one way to find out! 22:34:26 well, ok, there are probably multiple ways to find out 22:34:29 like "asking" 22:36:08 <|amethyst> I guess I could post such vitriolic abuse from so many different sockpuppet accounts that the mods have no choice 22:37:34 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 22:37:55 hahaha 22:38:29 did sandman's last post turn out not to be so last? 22:38:34 or is this unrelated? 22:38:45 <|amethyst> unrelated 22:39:18 <|amethyst> If I continue to read tavern, I am going to say or do something I will regret 22:39:27 <|amethyst> but I can't stop... 22:39:51 haha 22:39:58 yeah, i try to ignore it for the most part 22:40:12 the awbw guys will usually point out the choice threads for me =P 22:40:58 -!- mizu_no_oto has quit [Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.] 22:43:06 |amethyst: phpBB has ip ban functionality built in 22:43:06 minmay: You have 2 messages. Use !messages to read them. 22:43:10 !messages 22:43:10 (1/2) Lasty_ said (3d 11h 46m 17s ago): no, thanks_bad_advice won't be welcome, but I'll remove a monster of your choice if you find a constructive way of dealing with mps's constant bad advice 22:43:13 !messages 22:43:13 (1/1) Wensley said (1d 22h 41m 37s ago): watch all of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIAqPa1ttjc or we're not friends anymore 22:43:39 minmay: offer is off the table now that he's banned 22:43:58 -!- Siveran has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:44:28 |amethyst: is there anyone in specific getting your ire, or is it just the whole general thing 22:44:37 um excuse me, but that sounds like a way of dealing with his constant bad advice to me 22:44:48 @??worm 22:44:48 worm (04w) | Spd: 6 | HD: 4 | HP: 14-24 | AC/EV: 1/5 | Dam: 12 | regen | Res: 06magic(10) | XP: 5 | Sz: small | Int: brainless. 22:44:54 youre contractually obligated to make this go away 22:44:58 haha 22:45:25 yeah, but now you have to prove you found that way :D 22:45:30 but what will people be ashamed of getting killed by if worms are gone? 22:45:45 <|amethyst> Lasty: no one specific 22:45:50 |amethyst: I just found foddershock! 22:45:55 <|amethyst> :) 22:45:58 or remove worms and pretend you're doing minmay a service when you're really helping everyone else 22:46:00 On a fedhas follower even 22:46:02 <|amethyst> !lg * kmap~~foddershock 22:46:02 No games for * (kmap~~foddershock). 22:46:13 foddershock? 22:46:29 <|amethyst> I guess it needs ball lightnings or something 22:46:53 <|amethyst> ProzacElf: my first non-testing vault that has monsters in it :) 22:46:57 ah 22:47:26 ball lightnings and fodder? 22:48:07 <|amethyst> lightning spire, egolems, death cobs, bread, and fruit 22:48:16 oh 22:48:17 fun 22:48:50 never enough egolems before zot =P 22:56:21 -!- CanOfWorms has joined ##crawl-dev 22:57:38 -!- raskol has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:00:03 -!- omarax has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:06:59 so, juggernauts: very easily stymied by butterflies 23:07:03 I'm not sure they really work 23:07:16 -!- Siegurt has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:08:36 solution, remove butterflies 23:08:50 alternately: let juggernauts swing at full speed 23:09:39 Give them swooping like blue devils. :D 23:09:43 -!- Cacophony has quit [Quit: oh no am scare] 23:15:15 -!- CKyle has joined ##crawl-dev 23:15:33 the egolem and cobs will getsomeone eventually 23:16:15 Lasty: did you see this one 23:16:17 .cobbed 23:16:18 14. kazak the Intangible (L27 MfGl of Cheibriados), starved to death on Zot:1 on 2015-09-04 17:52:03, with 587602 points after 57427 turns and 3:16:15. 23:16:23 No good reason for it, of course 23:16:37 .cobbed -tv:<2:channel=cobbed 23:16:39 14. kazak, XL27 MfGl, T:57427 requested for cobbed: telnet://termcast.develz.org or http://termcast.develz.org. 23:17:02 wow he had just entered zot 23:17:18 I hadn'! 23:17:42 er 23:17:49 oh there it is 23:18:00 his +9 vamp dtrident beats my +5 one from just now 23:18:11 wow 23:18:12 oh looks like a zot trap convoke 23:18:20 was wondering if it was shadow trap 23:18:26 but of course 23:18:27 it can't be 23:18:31 he had a lot of chances to eat there 23:18:37 yeah he just seemed to ignore it 23:19:58 -!- PsyMar has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:20:04 -!- gammafun1 is now known as gammafunk 23:20:07 .jugged 23:20:08 9. sdynet the Imperceptible (L27 KoAs of Okawaru), annihilated by a juggernaut skeleton on Zig:14 (ziggurat_pillar_centre_l) on 2015-09-04 12:43:25, with 690182 points after 74939 turns and 9:33:25. 23:20:17 .jugged -2 23:20:18 8/9. Hiermare the Phalangite (L27 MfGl of Ashenzari), mangled by a juggernaut skeleton on Zig:23 on 2015-09-04 11:53:13, with 910440 points after 118939 turns and 10:26:48. 23:20:26 an amazing number of these are in zigs 23:20:32 yeah, I think they..hrm 23:20:33 .jugged -3 23:20:34 7/9. tls9540 the Hoplite (L24 DDFi of Makhleb), mangled by a juggernaut on Depths:4 (minmay_three_patterns) on 2015-09-03 17:23:36, with 557765 points after 46269 turns and 3:23:32. 23:20:48 well it's hard to say exactly, since there's a set of monster sets 23:21:04 ah, of course my poly wand is now empty 23:21:09 oops 23:21:10 wrong chan 23:21:20 objstat doesn't track skeleton type 23:21:23 oh well, lasty's in here too 23:21:53 Lasty_: i'll just post it on mantis as menkaure specific and add a comment when/if i find it affects other undead. 23:21:55 oh, and I guess there's no depths set either 23:22:00 so juggernauts don't place 23:22:07 ProzacElf: sounds good. Thanks! 23:22:09 if they get finalized, we'll have to add them to a set 23:22:16 yeah 23:22:49 what do i hit to see my version? 23:22:53 i haven't filed a bug report in ages 23:22:59 ?V 23:23:51 !lm prozacelf x=cv 23:23:52 6763. [2015-09-05 03:08:20] [cv=0.17-a] ProzacElf the Sneak (L7 VpIE) killed Duvessa on turn 10659. (D:4) 23:23:57 !lm prozacelf x=cv,vlong 23:23:57 6763. [2015-09-05 03:08:20] [cv=0.17-a;vlong=0.17-a0-1763-g847a857] ProzacElf the Sneak (L7 VpIE) killed Duvessa on turn 10659. (D:4) 23:24:02 that too if you like 23:24:03 thx 23:24:41 Good job killing that tavern troll that we devs tried to cow 23:26:11 -!- amalloy_ is now known as amalloy 23:26:24 hahaha 23:26:29 thanks 23:26:33 i try 23:28:38 -!- ystael has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:29:46 Polymorph wand shows chance of success against Menkaure 13https://crawl.develz.org/mantis/view.php?id=9936 by prozacelf 23:31:33 -!- yottam has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:32:09 -!- Siegurt has joined ##crawl-dev 23:35:28 -!- Lasty has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:39:14 do imps and other demonic things qualify as non-living for the purposes of polymorph? 23:39:27 -!- reaverb has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:39:29 they're demons 23:39:32 so they polymorph into demons 23:39:45 !send ProzacElf Grinder the demonic crawler 23:39:45 Sending Grinder the demonic crawler to ProzacElf. 23:40:01 !lg * vmsg~~grinder_the_exec 23:40:13 1. ProvTheAverage the Ruffian (L6 DrTm), slain by Grinder the Executioner on D:4 on 2012-08-20 23:29:19, with 641 points after 3179 turns and 0:19:43. 23:40:49 what's the thing with demon polymorphing anyway and why does learndb have like three different reasons for why it was added 23:44:20 -!- MgDark has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:45:54 -!- CanOfWorms has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:49:40 ah 23:50:13 -!- Gorgo_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:51:17 -!- Gorgo has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:59:37 -!- Mekanik has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…]